GATE: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri

[Ryllharu]

@shinta:
She's an expert at Empire garden party politics and love because she's a princess of the Empire. That's her area of expertise, despite having the Rose Knights and all that. They're not really good fighters, but are good at riding around on horses.

She's dumb about pretty much everything else.

@MFauli:
No, he's not. Zolzal only cares about honor and pride, the same way Pina does. Except he doesn't want to make peace with Japan, he wants to make them leave by being annoying. He's the equivalent to Middle East insurgencies. Pina is the equivalent to something like post-war Japan.

He's an idiot, has no clue what's going on, and doesn't realize that Japan will break them economically either. He's being convinced by Tyuule that the insurgency strategy is good so she can accomplish her own ends.

Only the Emperor started to realize what Japan could do to them. He already used them to ensure the Empire was back on a level playing field with their equivalents. He doesn't want peace, but knows he has little choice. The difference is that he realized their kind of politics can put them on even ground with Japan at the negotiating table, since they can't compete on the war table.

- Zolzal is too stupid to understand what his father said.
- Tyuule understood it perfectly.
- Pina is too innocent to understand it fully.

[shinta|hikari]

I was thinking that was the case as I was writing that. She really is just a poser.

[MFauli]

I disagree with Zolzal being an idiot. Not being as smart as somebody else doesn´t account for being an idiot. I´ve explained multiple times why he is not an idiot.

Tyuule is certainly a lot smarter than him. But she is caught up in her fruitless revenge fantasy and pretty much powerless.

It all comes down to: What kinda world do we (people of the Empire) want to live in? The one we created, or the one those new outsiders are forcing upon us?

Zolzal is proud, yes, and with good reason. But he is smart enough to realize that fighting won´t get him anywhere.

We´re missing the following facts to make further conclusions:

- will those plans work or not? pretending to be part of the JSDF and murder villagers)
- is Delilah an even weaker bitch than expected and rattet out everything about Tyuule to the JSDF?
- is Tyuule dead-set on revenge, or has she some emotion left for her people, for reason?

Once we know the answer to those questions, further speculations make sense.

[Buffalobiian]

MFauli your entire argument relies on Tyuule havin somewhat equal power as Zolzal in this alliance. That's simply not true. Her power is directly proportional to how well she can suck cock (and other little tactical bonuses). If the empire wins, she's either a Queen if Zolzal is nice, or she's back to being slave bunny. Either way she's not his equal and is at the mercy of his whim. The only way she can secure power is if she births a new prince and kills Zolzal with that sneaky orc of hers.

[MFauli]

I´m sure Tyuule would come up with a plan to secure her power as the queen, once she´s in. And you name one option yourself, although I´d like to keep the Zolzal-killing out of it :>


The only way she can secure power is if she births a new prince .

Tbh, I think Zolzal has never been in a situation where he had to think or show empathy before in his life. He has the small group of men that he cares for, but we don´t know to what extent he cares about them. But now that the JSDF has the upperhand, an unimaginable occurrence to Zolzal, he´s forced to change his attitude. He has changed slightly already, but he´s also far from having grown up, as his carefree reaction to the plans that his men proposed to him, proves.

If he manages not get himself killed from some careless action for another 1-2 times, he might reach the level where he can work something out. Ideally in cooperation with Tyuule.

[Buffalobiian]

Zolzal needs to die. That's the only way she can keep in power. Without a prince, the throne line would just go back to the older brother. She needs a baby maintain influence as Queen.

Even then I'm not confident Zolzal would even make her queen. Racism is pretty evident in the Empire. Humping bunny girl in your own castle is one thing. Having her by your side for all the Empire to see is another.

Furry arms aren't that nice anyway.

[shinta|hikari]

Furry underarms. Ew.

[KrayZ33]

A child would get Tyuule nowhere either.

First of all, they'd have to be in an official relationship/ have married for the child to be recognized. If Zolzal dies after she bears his child, she'd have to wait 12+ years for it to become the ruler. In the meantime, all kind of things could happen to both her and the child.
And in these 12 years, she's probably not in control either, because the child will have an appointed guardian, and that is most likely not Tyuule.

But this should be irrelevant either way, because she clearly says that she wants to see the Empire burn.

[MFauli]

Well, in most past kingdoms, a queen would take reign over the realm in the absence of a king, so I don´t see why that would be a problem. However, when I talk about Zolzal and Tyuule teaming up, I mean a truly honest relationship. I know that you´re gonna deny that thought, but I can´t help but feel that they´d make a great couple - they just don´t know it. :D It´s like when you had Vegeta, a cruel Saiyan prince, thinking about nothing but fighting, and Bulma, a pretty girl that´s a genius scientist. They couldn´t have been further from each other, yet somehow they ended up together. Granted, Toriyama might not be the best source to show how reasonable coupling works, but still ...

It´s going back in circle, which is why I´d like to wait for next episode before continuing this discussion, but as I´ve said before: It´s all about coming up with an idea that has the Empire winning and the JSDF losing. And not necessarily in military opposition. That´s why I came up with Zolzal+Tyuule. If you have another idea how the Empire could get the JSDF to retreat, I´d love to hear them!

[Buffalobiian]

I'm sure Vegeta just banged a son out of Bulma so he could compete with Goku on the 2nd-gen level. We all know Vegeta x Goku = best couple.

[shinta|hikari]

Why are we talking about Dragon Ball?

[MFauli]

Why are we talking about Dragon Ball?

Better than talking about waki, i guess

[shinta|hikari]

No, waki is actually on topic. Speaking of which, there is a severe lack of it in this show.

[Kraco]

No, waki is actually on topic. Speaking of which, there is a severe lack of it in this show.

Even Itami doesn't dress Rambo style despite being spec ops, so he can't provide you with waki shots either.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm only interested in smooth, female loli waki. Rory needs to take Kuroneko's lead and wear a sleeveless shirt from time to time. I have to wonder when these girls do their laundry. They wear the same thing every single episode.

[KrayZ33]

I have the same shirt 3 times too, don't judge me you bastard.

[shinta|hikari]

You mean you have 3 shirts that are exactly identical, and you wear them alternately everyday?

[MFauli]

serious question @pervy shinta: does it count as waki when a girl is 100% naked?

[shinta|hikari]

You have to actually see the waki, but yes.

Though it is more attractive if the exposure is inadvertent and not too blatant.

[MFauli]

episode 20 is out
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Just when you think this show couldn´t get any braindeader. And I´d wish I was talking about "Captain Knight Beefeater".

First of all, the death of both of her parents were meaningless. At least one of them could have gone with her. At first I thought they´re both staying to pretend that everything is normal, but the cleaners found the secret passage anyway and drew the right assumption. And none of it was necessary, because the cleaners weren´t there to murder, but capture them.

But that´s not what this episode was about:

SCREW international political relationships, BECAUSE PEDOPHILIA RULES!

Fucking L O L! :D
I don´t even know what to say about it. Just because Sugawara-hentai said he´d wait until she turns 16 doesn´t make it okay. That´s called "grooming". Anybody who approaches a 12 yo girl in our western society and tells the parents/police "but I´m waiting till her 16th birthday, I swear!" will end up hospitalized or at least imprisoned.
It is SO dumb. So dumb. Wah, I cannot express how dumb it was.
When he first said "as a diplomat I cannot let personal feelings disrupt my duty", I expected him to tell that woman "I quit my job, please name a new diplomat!" and try to run away with Sherry. Still creepy, but slightly less creepy and immensely less irresponsible.

So now, when the war beings, the reason for history text books will be: Because a Japanese guy wanted to bone a 12yo princess.

CONGRATULATIONS!

Don´t even wanna go on about all the other shit, like, why did Sherry ever think it´d be difficulty to go inside the guarded area? She´s highsociety and they all know her. And wanna bet that NONE of those pretty ladyknights will die in battle? sigh.
Oh well. I´ll leave it to Kraco and Shinta to defend this. Ok, Shinta doesn´t need to defend this, it´s his life dream come true, lol.

[shinta|hikari]

Ok, Shinta doesn´t need to defend this, it´s his life dream come true, lol.

I haven't seen the episode, but even I have standards. That loli sucks. If it were Kayo on the other hand...

[MFauli]

Oh, okay, I´m sorry. And 12 is only one year away from not being loli anymore, anyway. :>

[shinta|hikari]

It's not about the age. It's all about the body. There are those amazing things called lolibaba.

[MFauli]

But then you whine when Bisque transform back to her true form!!1

[shinta|hikari]

You're not making any sense.

[Kraco]

Who knows how the dude really feels. I took as Sugawara being unable to stomach watching how the girl is taken away to be executed later. And who knows what would have happened to her before the exection in the prison. Considering what sort of a man the new emperor is, I reckon all of his underlings copy the behavior patterns of their superiors in a cascading manner resulting in a huge amount of sexual violation and death. Sugawara hasn't exactly been thrilled about the loli's feelings and intentions, quite the contrary. There wasn't much else he could have done her anyway, with the girl already being in enemy hands outside of the Japanese soil. So, he had to somehow associate her.

Only the next episodes will tell if he really turned into a pedophile or if this was just grand theater. Assuming the series gets back to it.

[shinta|hikari]

So how do laws go in this scenario? Sugawara is a Japanese citizen and therefore can't screw the loli, but what if he does it on the other side of the gate? Aren't crimes based on laws where the act is committed? I think screwing 12 year olds is okay in that fantasy world. Would Sugawara get tried in Japan if he did so?

[Kraco]

I don't know about Japanese laws, but I think in Western countries people are prosecuted for travelling to some third world countries to take advantage of the local underage prostitution, regardless of what the laws say or don't say in those countries. My memories are a bit dim because this was a big topic like 20 years ago. I haven't seen much talk about it for years, so I imagine curbing such nefarious sex tourism became the norm.

[MFauli]

Captain Knight Beefeater made an accusing remark towards Sugawara about touching Sherry, so it sounded as if banging 12yo girls is frowned upon in the fantasy world, too.

[shinta|hikari]

It wasn't an accusing remark. If anything, it showed that screwing a loli was completely fine.

And judging from Sugawara's lady boss's comments, it's fine in Japan too!

[Buffalobiian]

MFauli, Sugawara doesn't want to bang the loli. He actually sacrificed his happiness so he could save one girl from the Empire's grasp. Somehow you managed to turn the morality of that act completely around.

These "cleaners" are hilarious. I have no idea what the wolf-dress is about, but they're trying to make a point so badly they have brooms for spears. Who even does that?

[David75]

As of now, Sherry si on Japanese soil. So Sugawara is under Japanese laws whatever he does with her.
If he goes to the empire, it's possible earth laws do not apply due to gaps in semantics about the qualification of that other world and its inhabitants for example. And we do not know if the treaty brings fundamental laws between Japan and the empire. We do not know if it applies to other races, or if human like inhabitants are really considered humans, Sherry included. But then there are zoophilia laws too (I know, it's provocation on my part ;) )
In the setting of the show, there's a rule that applies to every leaper: no sex with other side creatures...
Empire laws, we do not know much about those. But even if tolerated, Sherry has a nobility status that might change rules.
Then in both universe, there's more than laws and rules, proper etiquette/behavior probably is against having sex with underaged, regardless of their wits.
Regarding both individuals, as smart as Sherry is, I do not think she is prepared for sex and should engage in such relations.
I do not think Sugawara wants to either. And not just from his age statement. But showing romantic feelings for an underaged is already a violation...

On broader scale, linking Sugawara and Sherry -when she's legally allowed to- could be a nice political move. But it's far in the future, many things can happen like the gate closing instantly without a warning.

[Ryllharu]

I realize that the author felt it was easier to name empire citizens after drinks and booze than think up a lot of names, Nanoha names its characters after car models after all, but at some point, he should have stopped and thought about how terrible that ends up sounding. How retarded the names get. Nanoha shifted to having their names be inspired by car models, not named directly after them.

"Gimlet" bothered me this episode. Wow, that's a dumb name, I thought. But the dude is a douche, and he's probably going to die some ignoble way that matches his goofy name.

But then...

KNIGHT CAPTAIN BEEFEATER!

I hope that is her family name...

[KrayZ33]

I'm kinda confused that Japan didn't take them in from the beginning.

I mean, they are kinda supposed to, Geneva Convention and all that. Or is that kind of agreement only for states that are part of said contract and not human beings in general?

1 step onto that grass and they are pretty much forced to grant them safety.

[MFauli]

Why is nobody talking about the latest episode? It´s been out for several days :>

I´m only 5 minutes in, but, oh god, I´ve gotta get this out: "Hi, I was raped for several weeks as a slave in this world, that´s what enables me to lead you around and introduce you to this world *smile*"

W T F ?!?!?!?!?

Edit:

Oh god, could everybody please never again say the name "Beefeater" out aloud? :/

Pina refusing to resolve the heated situation is unacceptable. She has no business standing up against her brother just for that "father-in-law" and the loli bait. "Fuck my people and everything, I´ll refuse you, brother, JUST BECAUSE!"

I also hate that it´s sooo obvious that all those thousands of soldiers will be mowed down with ease by some JSDF soldiers. So frustrating.

On that matter: OF COURSE, only male knights were killed during the initial battle in this episode. None of the pretty lady knights lost their lives.

Tuka calling Itami "dad" again ...




The only upside is that Zolzal feels confident, going by the preview. Of course, it´s highly likely that he won´t succeed, but seeing how Tyuule is confident, too, it means their plan is more elaborate. Also, I´m surprised how Zolzal and Tyuule pretty much already ARE a team. You can say "well, Tyuule still secretly wants to kill Zolzal and the ruin the whole Empore", but nothing in this episode made it look like that. Instead, we have a strong Tyuule who isn´t being displayed as a slave at all, but more like the right hand of the new king. Here´s hope that she and Zolzal will be able to land the first sensitive blow against the JSDF - even if they´re ultimately bound to lose, yeah, yeah.

[Kraco]

I´m only 5 minutes in, but, oh god, I´ve gotta get this out: "Hi, I was raped for several weeks as a slave in this world, that´s what enables me to lead you around and introduce you to this world *smile*"

Why not? She knows the reality of that world, its society and politics. Because she was one of them, the same as any other ordinary person without power.


Pina refusing to resolve the heated situation is unacceptable. She has no business standing up against her brother just for that "father-in-law" and the loli bait. "Fuck my people and everything, I´ll refuse you, brother, JUST BECAUSE!"

Uh... She was trying to resolve it. She stood up against her brother who wants to slaughter all of his political opponents. Pina knows such a thing won't make the empire a better place, nor does it make dealing with the Japanese any easier.


I also hate that it´s sooo obvious that all those thousands of soldiers will be mowed down with ease by some JSDF soldiers. So frustrating.

Well, yeah, that's the bunny princess's plan, which the new emperor is happily following. Can't be helped.


The only upside is that Zolzal feels confident, going by the preview. Of course, it´s highly likely that he won´t succeed, but seeing how Tyuule is confident, too, it means their plan is more elaborate. Also, I´m surprised how Zolzal and Tyuule pretty much already ARE a team. You can say "well, Tyuule still secretly wants to kill Zolzal and the ruin the whole Empore", but nothing in this episode made it look like that. Instead, we have a strong Tyuule who isn´t being displayed as a slave at all, but more like the right hand of the new king. Here´s hope that she and Zolzal will be able to land the first sensitive blow against the JSDF - even if they´re ultimately bound to lose, yeah, yeah.

Their plan? Zolzal hasn't got a single plan in his muscle brain. It's all Tyuule's plans to destroy the empire and Zolzal's friend's nasty plans to kill their own citizens (it wouldn't be a miracle of Tyuule in fact gave them a few hints). Considering how this story has in general progressed, it's of course possible that Zolzal and Tyuule will lose their power before they manage to annihilate the empire.

[Buffalobiian]

Lelei was boss.

"I'll forgive you. It's safer here"
"Really?"
"No, they're bait."

[shinta|hikari]

I'm more surprised Itami didn't figure that out.

@Kraco and Mfauli - You gotta admit sending someone whose family was murdered beyond the gate and who got raped and enslaved there for a period to guide the media isn't the most logical or realistic choice.

[Ryllharu]

But didn't they say that they brought over only journalists who are critical of the operation?

They seem to be intent on showing the Japanese public that, 'even our strongest detractors aren't able to find fault with what we've been up to since we pushed back the invasion and took control of the gate.' Very similar to the move where the member of the Diet that interviewed Itami and the girls was chosen from the most vocal of the opposition.

The featured journalist wants to show them lazing around wasting money on this boondoggle or even doing inappropriate things, but between the harsh rules about fraternizing with beastgirls or empire citizens and the imminent need for another operation defending the empire's citizens from their own rulers, he will be forced to show that they're only doing noble things...exactly what the Defense Ministry wants.

If that's the case, choosing her seems to be a very calculated move. She's suffered incredibly, is a civilian, can't be sent back home yet, and will be interfacing with the JSDF's harshest critics. It gives her something to do, as well as being a hidden Special Interest Story for anyone who asks why she's here.

[MFauli]

Why not? She knows the reality of that world, its society and politics. Because she was one of them, the same as any other ordinary person without power.

She was raped for a prolonged time, treated like a sub-human being, traumtized (even if she´d claim to be fine). You don´t send somebody like her back to where her worst nightmare took place. It makes no sense. Please don´t defend that :/


Uh... She was trying to resolve it. She stood up against her brother who wants to slaughter all of his political opponents. Pina knows such a thing won't make the empire a better place, nor does it make dealing with the Japanese any easier.

She was not trying to resolve it. She wanted to help the JSDF and the loli bait and father-in-law. Working against the king´s will is not "resovling it". And if she´s such a moral woman, why can she not realize that her action of helping the JSDF embassy here could easily result in the deaths of thousands? Whereas supporting her brother at most has two people killed - which is not confirmed he even wants. Loli bait´s parents were asked to come with the wolf soldiers, but instead committed suicide. That´s their own fault.


Well, yeah, that's the bunny princess's plan, which the new emperor is happily following. Can't be helped.


Once again you insult Zolzal of having no brain and Tyuule being a mindless revenge-thirsty cunt. As we´ve discussed plenty, I disagree with that. But I won´t discuss it this week, because next week´s episode seems to focus on Zolzal and Tyuule, so we might get some hard-fact evidence of what´s really going on.

[Kraco]

If that's the case, choosing her seems to be a very calculated move. She's suffered incredibly, is a civilian, can't be sent back home yet, and will be interfacing with the JSDF's harshest critics. It gives her something to do, as well as being a hidden Special Interest Story for anyone who asks why she's here.

Yeah, she's someone JSDF saved from a fate far more horrible than a simple death. As long as she's willing and capable, she's an excellent guide for journalists who want JSDF disbanded.

[KrayZ33]

Once again you insult Zolzal of having no brain and Tyuule being a mindless revenge-thirsty cunt. As we´ve discussed plenty, I disagree with that. But I won´t discuss it this week, because next week´s episode seems to focus on Zolzal and Tyuule, so we might get some hard-fact evidence of what´s really going on.

You mean even more evidence? Tyuule said herself that she wants to see the empire burn and that she "worked on" Zolzal until he started to completely trust her.... is there a reason why you ignore that?

Zolzal could have something special in mind, he will most likely fail, but Tyuule *is* revenge thirsty and nothing else.

[shinta|hikari]

If that's the case, choosing her seems to be a very calculated move. She's suffered incredibly, is a civilian, can't be sent back home yet, and will be interfacing with the JSDF's harshest critics. It gives her something to do, as well as being a hidden Special Interest Story for anyone who asks why she's here.

Sending someone who has suffered incredibly back into the fray can't reflect well on the people who ordered it. What baffles me is that the reporter didn't even seem to question that choice. Another unbelievable thing is that the victim is actually fine doing this job.

She's also inherently biased, something the reporter pointed out. If you want to convince someone to believe something, not appearing biased is better than clearly having an agenda.

There had to be other people better suited for this role. The only reason she's back is because this is fiction and drama is necessary. It also gives this throwaway character some meaning. I don't think it's a decision based on logic/strategy as you guys say. Judging from the rest of the show, I think you're giving the author too much credit.

[Kraco]

She's also inherently biased, something the reporter pointed out. If you want to convince someone to believe something, not appearing biased is better than clearly having an agenda.

That journalist was a pro. So much a pro that he didn't even bother to act as if he was objective. He told her straightforwardly that it's business. Most people aren't interested in the truth alone but good, interesting, and thrilling news and stories above all. So, it's all the same if she's biased or not. A journalist like that would see through any forced neutral act in a millisecond anyway, assuming he was even interested in such things. Maybe it's better it's just a newbie like her in that case. She seems more genuine than some old, stone-faced PR manager.

[shinta|hikari]

Again, I think that's over-reading. I'm willing to bet that the author just wanted to bring back the kidnapped girl to give her entire arc some meaning. Bringing victims back to the scene of the crime for work isn't a good idea, in any case.

[Kraco]

Again, I think that's over-reading. I'm willing to bet that the author just wanted to bring back the kidnapped girl to give her entire arc some meaning. Bringing victims back to the scene of the crime for work isn't a good idea, in any case.

What scene of crime? They didn't take her to the imperial capital or to the scumbag Zolzal. She's hanging with her saviors. The only thing that might be bad for her are sarcastic and negative comments by the journalists.

If you meant why she's not back in Japan already, then yeah. The author certainly is pulling any reason for that purely out of his ass, unless for some mysterious reason the woman doesn't want to return.

[MFauli]

OH, something SUPER IMPORTANT that I wanted to write about but forgot:

You know, watching those politicians back in Japan discussing stuff and ultimately deciding things, made me wonder what would happen if they gave order to the JSDF to do stuff that goes against Itami´s will or against the will of others. Like, what if the Japanese government demands the the embassy returns the loli-bait and father-in-law to the Empire as part of keeping peace with the Empire government?

Would Itami, Sugawara-sama et al turn against Japan? Because unfortunately I´m not entirely convinced that they wouldn´t be this stupid and irresponsible.

[Kraco]

They might just make the loli mysteriously disappear. After all, there are other places in that world aside from the empire. The empire isn't what it used to be, either, so the other places are perhaps much more safe now.

Not that I'd think the politicians would order the death of a little girl. The voters wouldn't be too happy. It's much easier to do nothing and use the excuse of general non-aggression and not messing with the internal politics of foreign nations, just like they were doing.

[MFauli]

It's much easier to do nothing and use the excuse of general non-aggression and not messing with the internal politics of foreign nations, just like they were doing.

They´re messing with internal politics RIGHT now. The Japanese embassy took in the loli-bait. That´s messing with.

I simply get the feeling that the JSDF would go all "whatever, we are such morally good people, we don´t obey orders that we don´t like" bullshit.

[shinta|hikari]

If you meant why she's not back in Japan already, then yeah. The author certainly is pulling any reason for that purely out of his ass, unless for some mysterious reason the woman doesn't want to return.

This is what I meant.

[KrayZ33]

If she knows her family is dead, she might not have a reason to return.

[Kraco]

They´re messing with internal politics RIGHT now. The Japanese embassy took in the loli-bait. That´s messing with.

That was not an official decision from the top. Every organization is made of humans, and thus prone to acts nobody could predict. It'd still be far easier for the ministers to tell the public that an employee simply couldn't watch a little kid being persecuted than to tell the official stance is to rescue people randomly based on the personal preferences of the employees present. So, the official stance is to take no action (not rescue anybody arbitrarily). Every action conflicting with that is due to human error.

[MFauli]

That was not an official decision from the top.

The top of the embassy made the decision.

As for your rest: Remember how WW1 started? 1 persons death, exactly.

[shinta|hikari]

If she knows her family is dead, she might not have a reason to return.

Except staying away from the land that took everything from her.

Imagine getting kidnapped and taken to a foreign country. Then being abused as a POW there. Not having family in your home country won't make you wanna stay and work at the offending nation.

She lived her whole life in Japan. That by itself normally gives her enough reason to return. What's odd is why she's still on the other side of the gate even now.

[Ryllharu]

As for your rest: Remember how WW1 started? 1 persons death, exactly.
Hahahaha, no it didn't. What a reductionist way of looking at it.

I went to American public schools and I know better than that. That's not even close.

[MFauli]

Hahahaha, no it didn't. What a reductionist way of looking at it.

I went to American public schools and I know better than that. That's not even close.

I´m not surprised that an American wouldn´t know about WW1, lol

[KrayZ33]

Except staying away from the land that took everything from her.

Imagine getting kidnapped and taken to a foreign country. Then being abused as a POW there. Not having family in your home country won't make you wanna stay and work at the offending nation.

She lived her whole life in Japan. That by itself normally gives her enough reason to return. What's odd is why she's still on the other side of the gate even now.

She's not working at the offending nation, she's working in a different world... she has nothing to do with the empire.
And there is also the case of people not wanting to see their "pasts" (or whatever) when something is missing, just like people don't want to keep pictures of their ex-es because it reminds them of that time.


Hahahaha, no it didn't. What a reductionist way of looking at it.
I went to American public schools and I know better than that. That's not even close.

Well, the casus belli was the assassination (or the dismissal of the absurd ultimatum that resulted from it), I don't see a problem there. Whether the people acutally gave a fuck about Franz doesn't matter, it's enough of a reason to get allies and politics involved.

[shinta|hikari]

She's not working at the offending nation, she's working in a different world... she has nothing to do with the empire.
And there is also the case of people not wanting to see their "pasts" (or whatever) when something is missing, just like people don't want to keep pictures of their ex-es because it reminds them of that time.

It's about going home. It's natural for someone who has experienced something terrible. Not only that, it's hard to believe a victim like her could easily make such a distinction (world vs country), which from her perspective is a semantic one at best.

Your other reason is also possible. But possible and probable are different. Of all the jobs she could take, why that? Of all places she could stay, why there? My point is it feels unnatural.

The author forced the issue just to jam that character back into the story. There is no need for it to be her.

[Kraco]

It's about going home. It's natural for someone who has experienced something terrible.

I thought she had lost her family in the initial attack. So, she has no home. Only an empty building full of memories she obviously doesn't want to face.


Your other reason is also possible. But possible and probable are different. Of all the jobs she could take, why that? Of all places she could stay, why there? My point is it feels unnatural.

A random civilian in the middle of the military camp. The place probably isn't overflowing with jobs for her kind. Plus I'm sure she's happy to have a task because that allows her to push memories, regrets, sadness, loneliness, hate, and all sorts of other emotions out of her head for the duration of the working hours.


The author forced the issue just to jam that character back into the story. There is no need for it to be her.

Why not? If there needed to be someone there, it's all the same to use an existing character. God Rory knows this show has enough characters all over the place as it is.

[shinta|hikari]

Japan is her home. A home isn't a house. It's where you live your life. That doesn't change just because her parents died. In contrast, the other world is where she got enslaved and raped. See the better choice?

About the job, she should just go back to Japan and work there. That's the most normal thing to do.

About jamming her back, it's not a good idea because people like me will ask these questions and poke holes into the writing quality.

Good writing means I don't even get to the point of asking these questions, much less necessitating the audience to find reasons the show itself did not specify to justify them.

She could very well be the odd ball that wants to do all these things you guys mentioned, but in order for that to make sense, the show has to explain it to us. Unexpected outcomes require some background, not the vivid imaginations of the audience to justify them.

[MFauli]

Your reasoning here is terrible, Kraco.

[Kraco]

It's called escapism, I believe. By not going back to Japan, she can avoid facing the finality of her situation. The defence forces also seem to be a great fan of that concept based on how insufferably long Itami entertained Tuka.

Other than that, I don't know if it's so relevant to speak about good writing and this show in the same sentence. Quite honestly, regardless of if what you said was true or not, it can't shake the general level of writing here.

[shinta|hikari]

Well, if we take bad writing for granted, I can't complain about anything, can I?

[Ryllharu]

You can freely complain that Tuka is still a "major" character while poor Yao is a side character! And that her calling Itami "father" still, even in a teasing manner, is creepy as fuck. That shit should have stopped ASAP.
(For the record, I find any situation where a woman refers to her husband as "Daddy" also creepy as fuck)



You can also complain about the recent drops in animation quality.

[shinta|hikari]

Isn't everything you mentioned aside from the animation quality bad writing problems?

Well, the daddy thing is debatable. Some people actually like that, so it's intentional.

[Ryllharu]

More conceptual than writing imo.

[Kraco]

Episode 22 - HS



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I was sure it was pre-designed plot to have Shandy seemingly attack Lelei because that would have been the only explanation for Itami & Co apparently dropping all security suddenly after the first attempt. But turns out it was just poor writing. Just like Itami being unable to shoot was.

Poor Pina. But she had that coming. Everybody can see from 1000 miles away that the new emperor is a scumbag through and through, his own siblings foremost, and the slave bunny is suddenly getting such a lofty attitude despite being nothing but a slave, so there's no reason for Pina to act all relaxed all the time, thinking she's safe and secure no matter what happens. She personally witnessed the other brother evacuating himself as well. Maybe it was her upbringing that caused it. The old emperor, after all, let her play the knight game and probably many other things, so she grew a disposition of believing that while she might not have much concrete power, nothing can happen to her either. She really should have had a look around her, how the empire is collapsing from inside out.

It's also getting strange how nobody puts a sword through Tyuule. Of course nobody is normally allowed to kill another man's slave, but when the slave acts like a master in front of nobles and other prideful people, she could only blame herself (and in fact it would be Zolzal's own fault for not keeping his slave in check). I guess Zolzal already killed everybody with a backbone.

[shinta|hikari]

I'd rather spend my 20 minutes ogling this (https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2016/03/11/rory-mercury-cosplay-godly-gothic/) (Sankaku link. The content is not NSFW, but the ads are.) instead of watching this show nowadays.

EDIT:
The whole assassination thing suffered from both poor writing and direction. I'm not sure if the text was detailed enough to look this idiotic, but it is the director's job to fix issues like this. See the recent Fate adaptations for reference.

To be fair, all these attempts at Lelei's life are so stupid I don't think any director could fix them enough to be palatable.

I hope Pina gets raped by her guards. I mean, she deserves it for being so stupid and spoiled. She even insulted her captor by pointing out her race! She had it coming, alright.

This show also suffers greatly from the lack of a capable antagonist. Every enemy is, well, as stupid as the dragon...

[MFauli]

This show is such sexist scum, it´s outrageous. IF YOU´RE FEMALE, YOU´RE IMMUNE TO PUNISHMENT!

Seriously, wtf?!
Why does this Nonra bitch get to live? She was hit by 100s of spells, she sould be dead and deservedly so!
Same goes for, what´s her name, Shandy? That bitch doesn´t even feel for her murder attempt after getting stopped and demands in everybody´s presence to kill Leilei. "Fuck Leile, Pina is more important!". As she says herself, she isn´t being tricked. That´s truly what she thinks. Kill somebody who´s worth less to save somebody who´s worth more. Why is she not harshly punished?!

Then you have those ridiculous lady knights. From what it looked like, they were outnumbered at least 2:1, rather 3:1. How are the keeping their position?! This is such bullshit. "We´re pretty, so we´re stronger!" No other explanation to be found.

And now the JSDF will officially intervene. *yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn* Once again the JSDF showcases its imperialistic bullshit.

Edit:

Also fuck Pina. See, Kraco, this is where you´re simply wrong. Painting a picture where Zolzal is sooo bad and evil. Guess what, if the Empire had been such a healthy place all along, none of that shit could happen now. Those lifeless looking prison guards? They didn´t come into existence yesterday. Pina at best simply ignored how rotten her homeplace is. She´s the worst, a dumb, naive, uncaring aristocratic bitch that tries to act all high and mighty when it´s not her call anymore.
And no idea why you think Tyuule acts out of her league. She´s Zolzal´s right hand as I predicted :P

[Kraco]

Then you have those ridiculous lady knights. From what it looked like, they were outnumbered at least 2:1, rather 3:1. How are the keeping their position?! This is such bullshit. "We´re pretty, so we´re stronger!" No other explanation to be found.

They already said in the episode the imperial troops had no moral and motivation. They didn't want to fight. So, they fought extremely poorly and only because they are afraid their families would suffer if they didn't at least seem like they were fighting. This is what happens when the coup isn't carefully planned and slow enough. The troops and the general attitude among the population isn't yet so bad that ordinary soldiers would slaughter their own fellow (human) citizens without so much as a blink. It was only the death squad that could do that. They were probably former inmates or something.


Also fuck Pina. See, Kraco, this is where you´re simply wrong. Painting a picture where Zolzal is sooo bad and evil. Guess what, if the Empire had been such a healthy place all along, none of that shit could happen now. Those lifeless looking prison guards? They didn´t come into existence yesterday. Pina at best simply ignored how rotten her homeplace is. She´s the worst, a dumb, naive, uncaring aristocratic bitch that tries to act all high and mighty when it´s not her call anymore.
And no idea why you think Tyuule acts out of her league. She´s Zolzal´s right hand as I predicted :P

When did I ever say it was a good place? The old emperor was also a villain who managed to get all of the nearby kings to thrown their armies against the Japanese to greatly weaken their power. He also allowed Zolzal to wage his genocide war campaigns. Who knows what else happened during his reign. However, it was still a much better place than right now for the human citizens.

Tyuule is a nonhuman slave. Her people have no rights whatsoever. Only humans have any rights. Currently only those humans that don't resist Zolzal's (that is, Tyuule's) plans at all. She's a contradiction. She only gained her position because Zolzal has the wits of a rubber boot but an ambition the size of a mountain, so he's constantly relying on her because alone he would have no idea what to do. Too bad he's so stupid he doesn't even realise what Tyuule is doing is destroying his realm.

[MFauli]

When Zolzal wins at the end, I´ll accept your apology!

(yeah, yeah, Itami and his harem are immune to failure ... :( )

[Kraco]

Episode 23 - HS




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When Zolzal wins at the end, I´ll accept your apology!

It doesn't really look like Zolzal is winning anything. He can't wipe his own ass anymore without asking Tyuule first. It's getting really funny now when Tyuule doesn't even bother to act like a slave in front of Zolzal himself, let alone anyone else. Zolzal is so hopelessly stupid that he needs her input for any single decision, so she can afford to act like this and straightforwardly suggest suicidal actions with no need to try to mask them as anything else. I'd be quite surprised, though, if Tyuule was totally satisfied with allowing someone else to kill Zolzal if and when her plans are nearing the finish line. Surely she wants to be the one to do the last deed, and preferably so slowly that she'll have time to explain to him how she used him to destroy his own empire.

[shinta|hikari]

I think Mfauli was just kidding the entire time and just stating what he wishes would happen. Everyone knows Zolzal is gonna get this kinda treatment sooner or later.

Pina is seriously overreacting. They keep slaves all in those rooms all the time...

[MFauli]

Why is Gotwoot offline so often? Not the first time it was unavailable for several days. I have to try and channel my reaction from when I just got done watching this. Uh.

This anime was written by the most obnoxious feminazi, wasn´t it?! This was maybe the worst episode in anime in ... forever. Kraco, please explain to me how this episode was fun to watch. Please. I cannot see it. So we have stupid Zolzal (who turned out to be as stupid as he was shown in the beginnin; so much for my hope there´d be a surprise) and his helpless soldiers getting slaughtered by the JSDF, accompanied with glorifying music and ... we´re supposed to cheer for that? To find that exciting?!

This series has it ultra backwards when it comes to tension, excitement and drama. Because there never was. The one chance for drama was when loli girl hoped to be saved by Sugawara-sama, but even then the anime just shat on realistic behavior and had the sitation resolved within minutes of it occurring. No tension, no excitement. And now this episode. WOOHOO, thousands of male knights are slaughtered without the slightest chance of fighting back, while female soldiers and the lady knights all survive. Of course, Zolzal gets ridiculed, too, and Tyuule gets what she wants. Then this JSDF leader waits for NO reason, only to maw down another 100 soldiers to save Beefeater and Blondie.

And then I´ve probably forgotten about some shit that deserves to be called out. Oh, how about stupid ass Pina? As shinta said, she´s just in prison, dumb bitch. Although it makes no sense why the JSDF wouldn´t just go in an free her. It´s not like there is any resistance.

Fuck this shit, fuck this anime.

I really can´t tell if this is the most obnoxious feminazi power fantasie, or if the author is the biggest egotistical white knight and just went like "alright, I am Itami. I get the girls, I save them from the evil guys, and they love me forever. Ok, let´s start working!" :|

Kraco, again, please tell me how that was enjoyable. And don´t you dare reply with "it was fun to see Zolzal losing", because that was so obvious from the start, there cannot have been ANY satisfaction about that. When Light loses at the end of Death Note, when the king loses at the end of Code Geass, when Ganon loses at the end of The Legend of Zelda, THAT is fun to witness, because these enemies were competent, they put up a fight, so beating them down feels good (although I´m a Light-fan). This episode was as if I killed ants. Except when I kill thousands of ants, I´m not celebrated.

[shinta|hikari]

I think the show is trying to get sympathy from the viewers as fellow denizens of the modern (Japanese) era, so you root for the JSDF because you are part of their team, not the other world's.

Good or bad, I don't think the show ever wanted show any tension in these kinds of scenes. It's intended to be a one-sided massacre to satisfy pawnage fantasies.

[Buffalobiian]

I celebrated when I killed thousands of ants because those ants were being fuckers and biting my balls in my sleep. I used to think badly about it but getting bitten again drove that thought away.

The idea is that you feel the same way about the prince taking political prisoners and shit. Your disappointment was bound to happen since your hope in Zolzal x Tyuule was founded on nothing but your own hope. Evidence all points otherwise. It was bound to happen.

Pina wasn't rescued since JSDF didn't know about her. They were to evacuate Jade palace primarily, along with other supporters. The princess was supposed to be safe in her palace with the prince.

[Kraco]

Kraco, again, please tell me how that was enjoyable. And don´t you dare reply with "it was fun to see Zolzal losing", because that was so obvious from the start, there cannot have been ANY satisfaction about that.

Nah, the gradual progress of watching Tyuule use Zolzal to destroy his own empire is the entertaining part. Zolzal has an ego the size of Mount Everest, but the wits the size of a single grain of sand from a beach. The empire was handed to him by Tyuule, and he was all ecstatic and immediately launched his petty tyranny thinking he's the greatest man... on whatever planet it is. Yet most of his actions were in fact designed by Tyuule to ruin the very empire, not make it stronger like Zolzal was all the time imagining. How is that not funny?

[MFauli]

So you think this was an enjoyable anime, because one helpless villain got defeated? Because that´s what it comes down to.

Would Death Note have been as great, if L had caught Light in episode 1 from him posting on Twitter "awesome, I found this book that can kill people I write in it!"?

[Ryllharu]

I liked you better when you rooted for Squealer (https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=character&charid=48566). At least he was intelligent and had his own manner of agency.

Now you're just whining.

[Kraco]

Not because but how. One evil character defeats another evil character. There's certain style in that. The role the Japanese had in that was like the role a natural disaster. Besides, Zolzal could have become a solid emperor just fine, had he used his own head or those of capable advisors. But unfortunately he's so brainless he made an enemy of the state his highest confidant and got rid of all the actually wise and skillful people. But then again, even Numenoreans did that, so it happens to better people as well.

[MFauli]

I liked you better when you rooted for Squealer (https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=character&charid=48566). At least he was intelligent and had his own manner of agency.

Now you're just whining.

Blame the author :/

@Kraco: Coming from the above, can we at least agree that the author fucked up and made Zolzal a dumb character? As an author, it is your job to tell an exciting story. Making the enemy so helpless and disoriented made for no excitement at all. This anime pretty much went like the most boring prediction would have gone after seeing the first 2 episodes. No highs and lows. It was a constant level of mediocrity.

[Kraco]

Sure. A semi-intelligent villain being fooled by a highly intelligent villain would have naturally been all the better. However, that's quite a bit more challenging writing for the author, plus it would have likely required more time. This show has such a load of characters that there isn't much time for Tyuule to build complicated plots. So, the plots needed to be simple and consequently the person falling for the plots needed to be an idiot.

But then again, these things were never of much importance to the story to begin with. This story is foremost about the naively depicted awesomeness of the Japanese self-defence forces and the asskickery of the expert of every field Itami. Considering these things it would be against the intentions and goals of the author to write a really challenging villain. For the Japanese military to look absolutely the best, the opponents need to act like evil chimpanzees.

[shinta|hikari]

This show just fell flat for me. I used to enjoy it a lot more, but the developments became inane and predictable as it went on. Who didn't see this latest episode's development 4 episodes away?

[Inazuma]

It just slows down as the show doesn't want to show us Guns on Plebs. Which is a shame as it sucks away the pacing from the first half of the series.

Just blow shit up already.

[Kraco]

Episode 24 Final - HS



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Quite a relaxed episode all in all. Now it was made even more obvious that the Japanese can do whatever they want, and they don't even need many men and lots of vehicles for it. By the looks of it Zolzal as well realised it. I'm not quite sure what was going on in Tyuule's head, though. Maybe she realised living for revenge alone isn't worth it. Or to be specific it's not living at all.

The best part of the episode were absolutely all the couples, including, of course, Delilah and Yanagida. The show did know how to deliver right there.

[shinta|hikari]

The empire is doomed with Pina becoming queen one day.

Sleep magic is ridiculously imba. It's better than offensive magic because you can use it covertly and then kill the sleeping enemies. Spells like this need proper limitations in a story else it becomes a stupid plot device, like here.

Tyuule tearing up at the end is stupid and cliche. Why can't there be avengers that are actually satisfied at the end?

WTF at the assassin and the victim getting together. Everyone else was cool though. GJ on loli bride.

[MFauli]

Not even 3 minutes in, I have to say: Kuribayashi is everything that´s wrong with feminism. Fuck her so much.

[Munsu]

Just finished the series. Overall, incredibly fun, though felt very anti-climatic in the end. I also thought that it was a disservice to have Itami and his group removed from the action through much of the second season.

But I enjoyed it nonetheless.

[MFauli]

And I´m done.

Really bad anime overall. Would rate it 4/10.

Just like the previous episode, I don´t see how anybody would enjoy this. It´s like watching someone play a videogame using invincibility cheats. When they entered the throne room, all I thought was "okay, so Zozal is now confronted with a witch, a half-goddess and a plotshielded main character *yawn*".

This anime is also awfully disgusting and pervers in how it values life. The scene where a whole cavalry was bombed into oblivion ... wtf ...

And then how fuck stupid are they to not kill Zolzal? That made no sense whatsoever. They even talk about it on their way home, how surely Zolzal won´t give up, how there will be civil war and what else. These fucktards could have prevented a civil war by offing Zolzal.

It was extremely frustrating to see how crappy the author wrote Zolzal. I actually teared up a bit when he realized how helpless he was, how broken his life was. I could feel his frustration and lack of power, despite his strong will to lead and fight. But somehow it is heroic when the heroes have all the power, all the weapons, and the villain gets nothing. Worst writing ever. I stand by my statement that Zolzal was only as much a failure as the author who created him. In any other (BETTER) anime, Zolzal would have achieved some victories.

And Tyuule is fucking dumb lol. She won nothing. The Empire lives on, and it will live on no matter who wins between Zolzal or Pina. Aside from the person atop, the people living there will be the same.

And then the last scenes with the couples ... wow. Forget about "these people could carry deadly diseases, sex is forbidden!": The fucking assassin bunny girl is now her victim´s gf? wow. Just wow. And then the shameless pedophile. Wtf.

Concluding, I still don´t see how anybody could enjoy this series. It had all the potential, but it used none of it. It´s a shit show with no coherent, exciting story, only pandering to the lowest of moe otaku. Fuck all this noise.

[Ryllharu]

Tyuule tearing up at the end is stupid and cliche. Why can't there be avengers that are actually satisfied at the end?
When Zozal first has a bit of gunshot PTSD in the carriage, it cuts to Tyuule and she wavers on her horse a little bit. For a second I thought the JSDF had used the info they got from Delilah to assassinate the actual mastermind behind the coup and increasing instability. Who would care if a "slave" was shot? I even thought it might have been Delilah using a loaned weapon under the supervision of the JSDF.

But no, she was just wavering around for no reason.

Wasted opportunity to end the series on an interesting note.


I also thought that it was a disservice to have Itami and his group removed from the action through much of the second season.

Overall, I'd say Itami and the main three girls were by far the worst part of this season. They're boring characters with almost no more room for character development. Their arcs were all done from basically the first episode, except for some silly cleanup here and there. The better episodes were the ones where they were featured the least.

- The dragon arc was stupid from Tuka's standpoint and her still calling him "Dad" is creepy as fuck.
- Lelei was sidelined in her "own" arc (which is still about Pina when you get down to it), left unfinished, and her sister is more interesting than she is.
- A potential arc for Rory at the end of the dragon arc was also left to die, never mentioned again.
- Itami hasn't had any character development since last season during the scenes with his ex-wife.

[Munsu]

Overall, I'd say Itami and the main three girls were by far the worst part of this season. They're boring characters with almost no more room for character development. Their arcs were all done from basically the first episode, except for some silly cleanup here and there. The better episodes were the ones where they were featured the least.

- The dragon arc was stupid from Tuka's standpoint and her still calling him "Dad" is creepy as fuck.
- Lelei was sidelined in her "own" arc (which is still about Pina when you get down to it), left unfinished, and her sister is more interesting than she is.
- A potential arc for Rory at the end of the dragon arc was also left to die, never mentioned again.
- Itami hasn't had any character development since last season during the scenes with his ex-wife.

Removing them from the main action/plot only exacerbated the issues with them. If they were more integrated in the drama, I'm sure they would've been able to be of more interesting use.

I mean, the first confrontations between Itami and his group with the Emperor and Prince where some of the best moments in the series. So there's was certainly damage done by moving them to the sidelines and giving them those sideline arcs that were really no good.

[shinta|hikari]

- A potential arc for Rory at the end of the dragon arc was also left to die, never mentioned again.

Fucking THIS.

[Buffalobiian]

Quite a relaxed episode all in all. Now it was made even more obvious that the Japanese can do whatever they want, and they don't even need many men and lots of vehicles for it. By the looks of it Zolzal as well realised it. I'm not quite sure what was going on in Tyuule's head, though. Maybe she realised living for revenge alone isn't worth it. Or to be specific it's not living at all.

That happens when you throw everything away for revenge, then once revenge is over you're empty and lose your reason to live. Unless you feel pleasure from killing people or causing people harm, revenge doesn't really feel good. Justice doesn't feel good. It's not a reward, it's just making what's right right.

To the person themself, revenge is a means to allow them to move on. But if your whole life was about revenge and nothing else, you're a blank slate to start from again. There's nothing to work with, and no desire left to gain new things.



btw, I like Pinia in her slave clothing, side-boob and all. It's like a copycat Morgiana.

[shinta|hikari]

revenge doesn't really feel good. Justice doesn't feel good.

Bullshit. I've exacted revenge on others and felt awesome while I was at it. It's fulfilling. I don't like hurting random people at all.

That's why I said that the revenge is empty trope is overused. Some people do enjoy getting back at those who wronged them, but most stories avoid that route because "it's not right."

[Buffalobiian]

Bullshit. I've exacted revenge on others and felt awesome while I was at it. It's fulfilling.

Is it fulfilling enough to feel good after destroying your life for years to get there?

That's the key point. I'm sure if could feel good to some degree if someone else got what they deserved and your own lifestyle was intact.

When it's revenge for something minor I imagine there's a "serves you right" response that feels somewhat good. When you suffer for years to reach it, it's more a sense of relief followed by emptiness.

[shinta|hikari]

But Tyuule didn't have a life left after she got captured. She didn't destroy her life in this case. She made use of it, and I'd say she used it well.

I'm guessing you don't know many vindictive people. Revenge feels really good, especially if it's served cold.

The emptiness afterwards isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just like any other goal in life. Once you get it, it will leave a gap inside you. Then you simply move on to the next thing.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm guessing you don't know many vindictive people.

True. I myself am the most vindictive person I know IRL, so that tells you something.

[Kraco]

Once you get it, it will leave a gap inside you. Then you simply move on to the next thing.

I reckon her problem is not having that next thing. Her own people hate her as well, so she would find it difficult to return there. Pina's new empire recognizes her as one of the masterminds behind Zolzal's reign of terror and oppression. She can either become a vagabond wandering to some far away place or remain together with the loser man who destroyed her nation and then brutally raped her night in and night out. Though I still think she should first murder Zolzal. It's sick if your raison d'etre is a criminal you have every reason to hate the most in the world. She can hardly use that beaten man to further the ruination of the empire anyway.

[MFauli]

Bullshit. I've exacted revenge on others and felt awesome while I was at it. It's fulfilling. I don't like hurting random people at all.

That's why I said that the revenge is empty trope is overused. Some people do enjoy getting back at those who wronged them, but most stories avoid that route because "it's not right."

Yeah, I don´t believe you when you say you don´t like hurting random people. You sound an awful lot like one of my younger brothers, who keeps hurting people around because of his perception of "justice", only resulting in making everybody feel uncomfortable.

And again, I don´t see how Tyuule "won". If killing Zolzal was the goal, she could have had that a lot sooner. The Empire isn´t gone. The people at its top aren´t gone. Might there be civil war? Maybe, but that won´t last long with the support of the JSDF. And then it´s all back to Pina and family leading the Empire. Good job, Tyuule ... you won nothing. Well, except for the dick of the guy you hate. Congrats.

[Ryllharu]

btw, I like Pinia in her slave clothing, side-boob and all. It's like a copycat Morgiana.
It's even better when you realize that they have the same VA!!!

Totally different performance though.

Tomatsu Haruka using her gentle voice for Morg, while her mannish voice for Pina.

[Kraco]

Yeah, this was very much a very partial victory for Tyuule if anything. There was some harm done to the empire, no doubt, but they live in an old world where a human life is only so valuable, so in the bigger picture it's no big deal. Zolzal suffered a miserable fate, being reduced to a paranoid weakling with high infamy, so that's at least something for Tyuule. In that sense maybe I'll have to take back my earlier words: It could be more cruel to leave him alive. Unless there's a critical situation where he comes again for her for advice and then she could betray him in a grand fashion (if you can even talk about betraying considering everything she has done so far is to hurt the empire).

[shinta|hikari]

Yeah, I don´t believe you when you say you don´t like hurting random people. You sound an awful lot like one of my younger brothers, who keeps hurting people around because of his perception of "justice", only resulting in making everybody feel uncomfortable.

Hurting random people is pointless. I hate doing pointless things. Also, revenge is different from justice. I enjoy hurting people who hurt me, but playing the hero is the last thing in my to do list.

[KrayZ33]

Bad last episode for a rather good series overall.

That ending was horrible and forced... meh.

The first season was far more enjoyable.

[shinta|hikari]

I think my main gripe with this show is all the potential it wasted. It could've been awesome but dove right into mediocrity instead.

[shinta|hikari]

To those who want to know what happens to Gate after the anime. (https://www.reddit.com/r/gate/comments/4918q1/gate_novel_spoilers_q_a/)

[Buffalobiian]

To those who want to know what happens to Gate after the anime. (https://www.reddit.com/r/gate/comments/4918q1/gate_novel_spoilers_q_a/)

That was an interesting read. I'd watch more of this if they don't screw it up and make it boring.

[NeoCybercoin]

I'd definitely watch it if it stays true to that source.

[shinta|hikari]

Spoiler:






But Aliens... Really?

[KrayZ33]

I read the Manga before season 2 came out (which was somewhere near the point where they killed the dragon at that point) and found it to be much darker than the anime too, the sad part about the manga is however that the characters arn't as beautiful as in the anime, with the exception of Pina, which I found to be much better and realistic looking in there.

I was actually suprised that they didn't hesitate to show gore and rape. I assumed it to be shounen stuff after watching the first season, more or less.

[Ryllharu]

@shinta:

The possibility was heavily hinted at in this season when they spent almost a third of an episode on it (and we even discussed it here), but again, another important plot point completely forgotten. A pattern this season. Hint at good stuff, forget about it in 5 minutes.

All we got in the end was sanitized, bland, frivolous drama.

The main three girls barely have any appeal. What they do have, is consistently wasted (give Tuka a change of modern clothing or three ffs!). Perhaps it is different in the LNs, and they're more interesting.

[shinta|hikari]

Yeah, but it certainly isn't the direction I expected this story to take. And I don't mean that in a good way.

[MFauli]

DEAR GOD @those spoilers. Please tell me there won´t be more seasons of this shit. Basically, bad guys keep losing, although they´re kept alive for no reason, and Itami and his harem never suffer any kind of defeat, just other no-name JSDF members die eventually.

Is there such a lack of good manga to animate or what did this piece of shit get that privilege?

[KrayZ33]

Says the one with the Zorzal avatar.

"It's not like the story I had in mind, boohooo"

Show wasn't perfect, but it wasn't shit either, the last few episodes (and with that the 2nd season in general) were clearly weaker than the rest of it.