Overlord

[Kraco]

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" In the year 2138, virtual reality gaming is booming. Yggdrasil, a popular online game is quietly shut down one day. However, one player named Momonga decides to not log out. Momonga is then transformed into the image of a skeleton as 'the most powerful wizard.' The world continues to change, with non-player characters (NPCs) beginning to feel emotion. Having no parents, friends, or place in society, this ordinary young man Momonga then strives to take over the new world the game has become." -ANN

"I will not turn into a snake. It never helps." -Peter's Evil Overlord List

Subber: Horriblesubs
Genres: Action, adventure, seinen, virtual reality





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I decided to have a look at this show after I read the main character is a bloody Skeletor. That's something you don't see every day and definitely separates this positively from the more traditional titles of late, like SAO or Log Horizon (or the old predecessors like .hack). I have to admit I felt incredibly amused every time he was shown. I'm far from sure how evil he actually is, despite the looks and the fact the followers are like from the villain gallery of a regular show of this type. Even the... Uh, love interest was making all those crazed faces when he was testing the properties of the new world. I hope she's yandere. Actually I don't know how she couldn't be.

The animation budget leaves much to be desired, which is a huge pity as this looks like a show that can keep me entertained for sure. I love settings with a twist such as this.

[neflight86]

Just got around to this. Was pretty entertaining for an MMO anime, and they somehow made the main character seem like a regular guy, so to speak.

It was a wise move to largely ignore the setup and technical specifications of the game-space, as that kind of world building is typically only good for inviting scrutiny and distracting from whatever story the author is trying to tell with generally unrelated exposition.

[David75]

Stange MC, some tropes, and probably a quest and fights. I hope I can get some good laughs from this.

[Kraco]

Episode 2 - HS




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I enjoyed this episode almost as much as the first one, which is saying a lot. The animation still doesn't look too hot, but I'm getting more used to that as the story and characters themselves are speaking for themselves. I especially enjoy how the MC is so divided between two. He's still the player, a gamer, essentially, but on the surface he must play the role of the Overlord for the sake of the NPCs turned alive, who know nothing else. He's a real gamer, however, by trying to pull it off, and succeeding well enough, although I suppose it's not so hard considering everybody in the castle is worshipping him. It also helps he's a real gamer because it gives him some natural tendencies making things easier, like considering taking over the world, as if that was the plot of this new game.

I keep appreciating the interaction between Momonga and Albedo. It's jolly good he changed her personality before the game ended. This is much better than a bitch. Although I guess she can be bitchy enough when facing somebody else than Momonga, especially another woman.

I hope life is life in this story and thus when someone or something is killed, it won't result only in particle effects but a corpse.

[NeoCybercoin]

I am loving this anime so far. At first I thought Albedo was hot! But then....she just..opens her mouth like that and I am fucking scared of her now. Bitch is INSANE!

[neflight86]

The two floor master/wive candidates went full on Hellsing there for a moment. It looks like he might have some justification for taking over this world if the NPCs are already killing and pillaging each other.

[Kraco]

It looks like he might have some justification for taking over this world if the NPCs are already killing and pillaging each other.

If it's a (fantasy) medieval setting, there's simply no way the NPCs/people wouldn't be continuously warring. That's just how it was all over the world in reality as well during those times. Momonga doesn't actually seem like an evil fellow, so once he really starts to think of the NPCs as real living beings, it might be hard for him to have them killed in great numbers. I suppose there might be ways to avoid that, but since he's the Overlord of monsters, I don't think it would be easy. He needs to at least defeat the armies he's immediately facing if he plans to expand his influence. Would any human/elf settlements be willing to live under the rule of a Skeletor and his court of monsters, though?

[NeoCybercoin]

I like how the NPC's everybody left them and that they are mostly following him because he stayed behind for him. Gives it a better twist.

[Buffalobiian]

Momonga just gave crazy bitch a teleporting ring.

One just doesn't give crazy bitches teleporting rings. Ever.

[NeoCybercoin]

Not gonna lie...that bitch scares me.

[shinta|hikari]

Wait... Since he is just a skeleton, doesn't that mean he doesn't have a dick? What's with all this heir business?

[Ryllharu]

They're afraid he'll eventually leave too, and want an heir that is part of the "game" world that they can continue to worship as their leader.

He mentioned his libido...and while I have no idea how being mostly a skeleton still works for that capacity, they've left it open to the possibility.

[Buffalobiian]

Boner......

[NeoCybercoin]

Yes, he would have to bone(h)er.
I think they meant his mindset. Like now he can't even get turned on or something.
Besides even if he could...there will probably be some kind of skill/magic to turn him human or something to make that heir. That or the other route...adoption :P

[Kraco]

Not gonna lie...that bitch scares me.

I don't see any problems as long as he's not planning to cheat on her (she might murder the other girl). He's supposed to be an evil overlord. The lady has to be of that calibre at least, surely. She's the leader of the various guardians in any case, so she can't be any yamato nadeshiko. It doesn't seem like he minds his role, either, playing it outwardly quite smoothly.

[Buffalobiian]

He just has to seemingly show favour to another of his servants - and it doesn't even have to be a girl.

[shinta|hikari]

Yandere was actually fine with Momonga having multiple partners. She just wanted to be number 1. Her quarrel with vamp girl and quick turnaround from jealousy to ecstasy in the tele-ring scene showed this.

[Buffalobiian]

Exactly. Whatever benefits he gives his other servants, she has to receive even more from him (or else she'll think she's not #1). Still crazy scary as fuck.

[Kraco]

Exactly. Whatever benefits he gives his other servants, she has to receive even more from him (or else she'll think she's not #1). Still crazy scary as fuck.

That sounds about right. It's a lair of monsters, after all. Momonga simply has to make sure the ultimate end result is beneficial for his plans, no matter if it's Albedo trying ever harder to gain his greatest favour over the others or some infighting making them all stronger in a villainous way. They need to be ready to survive occasional backstabbing in the service of Skeletor.

It's all cool, really.

[Kraco]

Episode 3 - HS





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Bloody great episode. It's an interesting aspect Momonga's emotions are stunted due to being an undead, yet he realises it himself, as a player. I'm not 100% sure how to feel about his rather mellow and friendly approach, but at the same time I pretty much think I'd have done everything more or less the same had I been there myself, so it wouldn't be right to criticise him. He did call it only acting, so it's cool so far.

Above all it was great to see him create the death knight and then send it to slaughter the hapless soldiers. That sure brought back good memories from Warcraft. Actually the whole sequence of scenes was great, right from the soldiers being baffled by the portal. It was a good combination of the freshness of a liche being the MC and the somewhat more usual asskicking MC. I wish we had seen a bit of fighting from Albedo but in the end those small fries weren't really worth the effort, as Momonga noted. Her attitude was suitable, that much was revealed.

[Munsu]

Watched all 3 episodes, first two were alright going through the motions of entertainment, but the 3rd episode I thought it was great. Really violent too. Looking forward to more of it.

[Buffalobiian]

It's an interesting aspect Momonga's emotions are stunted due to being an undead, yet he realises it himself, as a player.

Intellectually he's intact, and he's experienced emotions before so it all makes sense.

Albedo's armour was great. I never expected that despite forewarned with "fully armed". Grasp Heart would easily become my favourite spell as well. It's the epitome of assassination really.

[neflight86]

Very shrewed developments Momonga is steering. Glad he still has, at least intellectually, some compassion for the weak.

[Kraco]

Episode 4 - HS




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I'm starting to think Ains would really benefit from having another player around. Right now he has nobody in whose company he could relax. He must always play the role when in his own people's company. Actually he needed to play a double role when in the human village. No doubt his new undead mentality will help with that, but as we see continuously, he still needs to act. Naturally it's far better this way since it's a major positive aspect of the character, as opposed to simply watching a story of some regular demon king leading his troops. It's kind of sad he needs to stay in the role the most in Albedo's company.

Another great episode, divided between Ains's calculations and straightforward asskicking. Good thing these were still early opponents as he's been quite OP so far. As much fun as it has been to watch people standing and staring in awe before dropping dead. No doubt there are tougher individuals out there, just waiting for a chance to face him. But until then he needs to be at least this powerful since he's just an ignorant leader of a tomb of monsters whereas the opponents are old empires and kingdoms. Being a monster, he's by default an enemy to the humans, creating another weakness.

He needs to let his underlings do some fighting, though. Albedo only got a tiny chance to show her skills now. I want to see her fight more! And the rest of them as well.

[Munsu]

Episode 4 - HS




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I'm starting to think Ains would really benefit from having another player around. Right now he has nobody in whose company he could relax. He must always play the role when in his own people's company. Actually he needed to play a double role when in the human village. No doubt his new undead mentality will help with that, but as we see continuously, he still needs to act. Naturally it's far better this way since it's a major positive aspect of the character, as opposed to simply watching a story of some regular demon king leading his troops. It's kind of sad he needs to stay in the role the most in Albedo's company.

Another great episode, divided between Ains's calculations and straightforward asskicking. Good thing these were still early opponents as he's been quite OP so far. As much fun as it has been to watch people standing and staring in awe before dropping dead. No doubt there are tougher individuals out there, just waiting for a chance to face him. But until then he needs to be at least this powerful since he's just an ignorant leader of a tomb of monsters whereas the opponents are old empires and kingdoms. Being a monster, he's by default an enemy to the humans, creating another weakness.

He needs to let his underlings do some fighting, though. Albedo only got a tiny chance to show her skills now. I want to see her fight more! And the rest of them as well.

Was disappointed with the action and level of violence. I think episode 3 spoiled me.

Just in case, there's a scene after the credits in this episode.

[Buffalobiian]

As expected, nothing is scarier than pissing off Alberdo. Nothing

[NeoCybercoin]

And at the end Albedo is looking all happy and barely containing herself when she is thinking that he was so freaking cool.

[Kraco]

Episode 05 - HS



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I can't blame the adventurer; the maid warrior is really beautiful. Even if she thinks all humans are vermin.

This episode brought my first gripe with this show, which is quite remarkable considering we are already 5 eps in. Namely the overlord is a part-timer subplot. He complains he doesn't have money, but since he's a level 100 player, he must have tons upon tons of gold, silver, and precious stones stashed away. So what if the coins are foreign? Just melt them and cast into bars so nobody is none the wiser when seeing them. Gold is gold. A coin from medieval times was only worth as much as the metal it was made of is worth. Something costs half a silver? Snap a silver coin in half, and voila! There were coins only because it could save a little time from weighing, thus speeding up business, and various powers liked to feel proud with their own coins.

I don't expect him to toil like a n00b for a moment, though, so I guess my worry is purely academic. We are already seeing a third power that's going to mess with his first mission, after all. In the end he knows so little that no matter what he's doing in the city or no matter who he's talking to, he's always going to learn a lot, and that knowledge is what he's after, the money doesn't matter.

[Munsu]

Wished episodes were longer, really enjoying this one even this episode was purely a set-up one.

[fireheart]

This episode brought my first gripe with this show, which is quite remarkable considering we are already 5 eps in. Namely the overlord is a part-timer subplot. He complains he doesn't have money, but since he's a level 100 player, he must have tons upon tons of gold, silver, and precious stones stashed away. So what if the coins are foreign? Just melt them and cast into bars so nobody is none the wiser when seeing them. Gold is gold. A coin from medieval times was only worth as much as the metal it was made of is worth. Something costs half a silver? Snap a silver coin in half, and voila! There were coins only because it could save a little time from weighing, thus speeding up business, and various powers liked to feel proud with their own coins.

I don't expect him to toil like a n00b for a moment, though, so I guess my worry is purely academic. We are already seeing a third power that's going to mess with his first mission, after all. In the end he knows so little that no matter what he's doing in the city or no matter who he's talking to, he's always going to learn a lot, and that knowledge is what he's after, the money doesn't matter.

Well since I've read the LN I don't know how much they'll expand on this but he has a few reasons for not using any of his gold, they just skipped it in the adaptation so far. Just felt like mentioning that it's more because of the adaptation than his actions.

[shinta|hikari]

The entire adventurer subplot for info is ridiculous. He is ridiculously powerful. He can just interrogate some dude for that info without wasting so much time. In fact, he could've gotten tons of info from angel priest in the episode before this, but he didn't. If this is about him being moral, well, he pawns humans left and right just because they don't agree with him.

[Kraco]

The entire adventurer subplot for info is ridiculous.

I wouldn't be so adamant about the ridiculousness. Let's not forget he's a player, even if this new reality kind of messes with his emotions. But still he's practically speaking in the position of a gamer whose favourite game got a massive new expansion. No doubt a part of him just wants to go adventuring and experiencing the new place just like he used to, despite the fact he's vastly OP and few things could oppose him. Thus that part doesn't bother me as it makes sense. Just the earning money part was stupid, I guess because I don't know what Fireheart knows.

[shinta|hikari]

Then he should say that in his monologue. It's a problem of delivery. He explains his adventurer scheme as if it's some brilliant plan when it really is a time waster. If he just wants to have fun, that's fine. Make sure that's what you tell the audience. A single internal line like, "What player wouldn't want to OP the early levels of an RPG?" should suffice.

Even if that did happen though, I still don't like it. This feels like the author's wish fulfillment of starting an adventure RPG at level 100... which is exactly what is happening.

[Kraco]

I suppose he's taking his responsibility as the lord of the tomb seriously enough that he had to come up with excuses even to himself. He did note much earlier that he needs to infiltrate and check out the city personally. That's more or less confessing he just wants to adventure. I do agree that taking such a formal way around it by joining guilds and shit is very dodgy writing. It's not like he would be expecting to hit the main story of the game or anything by doing that. He's merely out to learn about the world and the powers within. Hardly any need to join the guild as a newbie for that. In fact it poses the danger of revealing too much. In the end every second he spends learning about others by socialising, the others will also equally learn about him. The others just have little to hide, whereas he has everything to hide. Even if he wanted to check if the adventurers' guild has other players, there would be other ways to do it.

[Ryllharu]

I dunno, flooding the new world economy with the ludicrous amounts of gold that the tomb has is probably a very bad idea. Word will get out very quickly and they'll have an army at their door, potentially including other Level 99 player characters. Like showing up in a favela and asking if they can cash a travelers check for $10,000.

He already screwed up without realizing it by giving out a potion before seeing what the denizens of this world are capable of making on their own.

I imagine he thought about the gold, but missed the less obvious aspect of giving away super rare items that he (as a caster/crafter) feels are basically trash.

[Buffalobiian]

Shinta, remember what he said, that they should move forward assuming the enemy is stronger than they are? He's moving with caution. It's not a bad idea.

All this talk has made me keen for another Elder Scroll game :)

[Kraco]

I dunno, flooding the new world economy with the ludicrous amounts of gold that the tomb has is probably a very bad idea. Word will get out very quickly and they'll have an army at their door, potentially including other Level 99 player characters. Like showing up in a favela and asking if they can cash a travelers check for $10,000.

Umm... Yeah. I didn't actually mean he would buy the whole capital city. He would ruin no economy by having some cash in his pockets, to use whenever he needs to, in shops and taverns, within reason. He's walking in a suit of armor that makes the other adventurers drool, so it's far more suspicious he has no money. They'll think he stole the armor from somewhere, or even murdered and robbed his former lord and then fled to this city.

[shinta|hikari]

Shinta, remember what he said, that they should move forward assuming the enemy is stronger than they are? He's moving with caution. It's not a bad idea.

So he gives away a potion without considering its value even though he should know better being a level 100 player?

Moreover, proceeding with caution and exposing yourself to great risk of discovery (like he is doing right now) does not compute. Even his random attempt at "leading" the conversation with the mission receptionist to get a high difficulty bronze job is poorly written. He could've just asked for it. His ignorance was no less exposed with his outright bragging.

The biggest problem with the current development isn't his motivation. It's his execution. If even the audience, who is certainly not as familiar with him about the game, has better and faster ideas than he does, then his actions come off as illogical. Illogical is fine if he himself is fine with it, but if he actually believes his adventurer roleplaying is a good idea, well, it makes the entire thing unbelievable.

[Buffalobiian]

So he gives away a potion without considering its value even though he should know better being a level 100 player?

Moreover, proceeding with caution and exposing yourself to great risk of discovery (like he is doing right now) does not compute. Even his random attempt at "leading" the conversation to get a high difficulty bronze job is poorly written. He could've just asked for it. His ignorance was no less exposed with his outright bragging.

He stuffed up the potion thing. It was a rash decision forced on him when his maid was ready to kill the guy. Kind of like a certain hostage in another show.

I didn't have a problem with the conversation. It wasn't exactly his intention to ask for the highest bronze quest. He didn't even know there were limits to what he can and can't do with his rank or how strictly they were enforced. If he just asked, he'd seem like a noob and also be declaring that he can't read when they point him back to the board (lazy bum). Now instead, his request was fulfilled (by an obligation of sorts) because the counter staff knocked him back.

[shinta|hikari]

It WAS his intention to ask for the highest bronze quest. His internal comment at the end of that conversation says that much. His tantrum about wanting a mission that is not available for his rank screams noob more than anything else. The better execution would be: "I'm a bad ass, and so is my friend. Give me the hardest bronze quest here." Done. That way, he just looks lazy or wants to check if there are other jobs not put on the board, much like the job he got with his new friends.

[Buffalobiian]

I'll concede there. However, I do think that Momo would have taken a platinum (or whatever) rank mission had he been allowed to.

[Buffalobiian]

HS - Episode 06 (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=721900)


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Momon OP.

Albedo scary. If she's gone as far as to make a body pillow, certainly she's imagined what he looks like down there. The fact that she still considers children a real possibility means she's screwed in the head (stating the obvious, I know).

[Kraco]

Albedo scary. If she's gone as far as to make a body pillow, certainly she's imagined what he looks like down there. The fact that she still considers children a real possibility means she's screwed in the head (stating the obvious, I know).

Maybe Ains should have read the rest of the description carefully before simply changing the last line from a bitch to in a love with Momonga... No doubt this single-minded, obsessive behavior is also from her creator's pen. But then again, I'm not sure it's such a bad thing. It's a dark tomb of monsters, so her behavior is more or less fitting. What comes to the children with an undead, who knows. She's a demon herself. Maybe she's naturally thinking magic can solve everything, or rather only magic matters in the first place.

I wonder what role the homicidal woman we keep seeing will play. While Ains is a lord of monsters, he isn't exactly evil, and generally keeps his underlings from performing fell deeds with suitable excuses. This Clementine is a genuine villain, though. I do hope Ains won't turn into a pure hero that only keeps saving the world.

The story is proceeding slower than I keep expecting, but I don't really mind since I'm enjoying every minute. But it does make me worry about how much the season can cover before we run out of episodes.

[Buffalobiian]

When all is said and done, I'd much rather have my 2nd-in-command be madly in love with me than be a complete bitch to me. As an undead I wouldn't worry about being poisoned, but she could give you the slip either way. I'm not exactly sure how loyalty and bitchiness would mix.

I take the murdering girl to be an evil henchman, one of the (nine?) seats of some evil organisation that's opposing Momon's world dominance.

I didn't catch the part that Ains was the actual person Momon wanted to look for (if it was even mentioned in previous episodes). Not a bad idea, even if you could have just gone with Momon and they'd look for you just the same if they were pals.

[Munsu]

Still enjoying this one a lot, but man is this shit slow as fuck. Lots of wasted scenes, like the camp fire one... too long.

[shinta|hikari]

Overword should be the new title for this show. They repeated shameless praise for Momon 2-3x, and it's the same damn info.


I didn't catch the part that Ains was the actual person Momon wanted to look for (if it was even mentioned in previous episodes). Not a bad idea, even if you could have just gone with Momon and they'd look for you just the same if they were pals.

What are you talking about?

[Buffalobiian]

Overword should be the new title for this show. They repeated shameless praise for Momon 2-3x, and it's the same damn info.



What are you talking about?

15:17 - "Ains Ooal Gown. My shining everything."

At first I thought this was the knight, but it could also be:

2) the party name (more likely now that I think about it), or
3) some weird direct translation of "My Shining Everything" - a motto that the group decided on (less likely)

While searching for this, I noticed Albedo got Momon's scapula wrong. tsk tsk.

[shinta|hikari]

Wasn't it 4) The guild name?

[Buffalobiian]

Wasn't it 4) The guild name?

It was? I don't remember. That would make sense.

[Buffalobiian]

Anon - Overlord Specials (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=anon+overlord+special), for some good chibi fun

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah it was the name of the guild that apparently everyone in Yggdrassil knew. So he change his name from Momon to that. To try and spread the name so that if any players were left they would know someone from that guild was also still there.

[Kraco]

Anon - Overlord Specials (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=anon+overlord+special), for some good chibi fun

Good thing that's only a special. He's better off with undead stunted emotions. A lord of monsters shouldn't be nervous or fraternise quite that much with underlings. The poor subjects would only get confused.

[Kraco]

Episode 7 - HS





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I can't blame Ains for not being impressed. It was all the funnier when everybody else was, even Nabe, sort of. I guess she can judge monsters very mercifully even if all humans are bugs in her opinion.

Although Ains is clearly building himself a good reputation and some solid direct connections in the surrounding area, I wonder how much it will amount to. The long suffering village apparently accepted the summoned goblins no problem, but I have some doubt any human settlement would accept the den of a hundred monsters Ains is leading. So, what good does it all make? Just to spread around the name along with fame, not infamy? He doesn't really need to go this far for that alone with the socialising.

At least the evil woman finally met the alchemist. Took her long enough. Even with how slow the show is, I expected something more to happen in this episode already.

[Buffalobiian]

I love the new hamster. I hope Nabe keeps it.

Currently we've established:

Tier 3: Master
Tier 5: Hero
Tier 7: Miracle
Tier 9: Momon.

Suffice to say, nothing in this show will challenge Momon in any straight-forward way. It'll all be stuff like "How do I appear strong while taming a hamster" or "How do I calm Albedo down" etc.

[Kraco]

Suffice to say, nothing in this show will challenge Momon in any straight-forward way. It'll all be stuff like "How do I appear strong while taming a hamster" or "How do I calm Albedo down" etc.

He did note he needs to keep an eye on dragons. It would be cool if dragons were really powerful in this series, at least some species of them.

I miss Ains and Albedo's interaction already, even thought Nabe is cute and cool by her own right. But it's not the same since Nabe doesn't possess much ambition of her own. She acts like a bodyguard pretty much 100%, and any quirks she has are either reactions to stuff Ains says or insulting humans when she's especially called out.

[Buffalobiian]

New Overlord Special (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=anon+overlord+special)


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The crew is even more OP than I thought, but that doesn't make a difference really. Anything > Tier 6 or 7 is "good enough" for world domination. This just means Nabe can do it on her own.

[Kraco]

Anything > Tier 6 or 7 is "good enough" for world domination. This just means Nabe can do it on her own.

I somewhat doubt it would be that easy. On the other hand I'd also find it very dubious Ains was the only person who staid logged on. I mean, if it was your absolutely favourite game, you respected the studio, spent hours upon hours there, wouldn't you personally have wanted to sit there during the last moments just to see if there might be some message from the creators after the credits? I understood the game had been losing popularity, but there were still people there, and such an occasion probably would have attracted a whole bunch just for the old times sake.

In other words, there ought to be a bunch of godly beings in addition to Ains around. However, we don't actually know if all of them would have been transferred over to the new world. They might have just been kicked out of the game with a message thanking them for the support over the years. Maybe Ains was an exception for some concrete reason.

[Munsu]

Still very much entertained, but things have been developing at a snails pace. Waiting for it to take the next step, and considering how the episode ended we might take a step in that direction in the next one.

Will have to check the specials later.

I thought the full reaction to the hamster was very good, from just about everyone involved.

[Kraco]

Seems like AniDB lists this as a 13 eps series. AniDB has traditionally been more careful about stating episode numbers before there's any real information (unlike the likes of ANN), so I deem it somewhat trustworthy. This is naturally a huge pity. The show has been moving so slowly that we don't even get much in 13 eps, just the beginning.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't see anything wrong with the pacing. It's "Everyday with Ains-sama" or "Demon King takes over the world with a part-time job (except he's actually awesome)".

It's doing everything right.

[NeoCybercoin]

I am pretty sure there are other players but not all had the same position as him and can use the same methods. And this world may be a whole lot bigger so they could be on the other side of the world for all he knows.

[Munsu]

I don't see anything wrong with the pacing. It's "Everyday with Ains-sama" or "Demon King takes over the world with a part-time job (except he's actually awesome)".

It's doing everything right.

3 episodes spent on a meaningless travelling quest is poor pacing in my book.

[Kraco]

I am pretty sure there are other players but not all had the same position as him and can use the same methods.

Yeah, if there are players who hadn't bothered to build a stronghold full of strong NPCs, they would automatically be much weaker than Ains as a whole, although individually they would be every bit as dangerous provided they are max level and in possession of formidable magical artefacts. I guess the latter would go without saying as I've yet to see an RPG where high level players wouldn't have accumulated nice gear. As for the former, if the game so splendidly allowed it, like the tomb of the Ains group demostrated, why wouldn't others have done the same, even if on a smaller scale? Player homes could be raided, so one would have wanted some kind of protection.

Since Ains was mildly concerned about dragons, a dragon rider player might be nice. It would also explain being able to cover a bigger portion of the bigger world.

[NeoCybercoin]

True.

But what I am also wondering is, how strong melee players are? I mean Momo is a max level magic caster. We have seen some of the shit he can do. He can use the highest tier magic. So it would make sense that a game would have balanced Melee classes such as warriors to being able to be just as powerful right? That one knight showed a few skills but it didn't seem all the impressive. So that's what I'd like to see. Momo vs a max level melee player.

[Kraco]

But what I am also wondering is, how strong melee players are? I mean Momo is a max level magic caster. We have seen some of the shit he can do. He can use the highest tier magic. So it would make sense that a game would have balanced Melee classes such as warriors to being able to be just as powerful right? That one knight showed a few skills but it didn't seem all the impressive. So that's what I'd like to see. Momo vs a max level melee player.

Yeah. Just Ains using magical armor that allows him to fight with swords by sacrificing most of his magic prowess is, it seems, stronger than the royal knight (although the royal knight probably was only as skillful as ordinary humans go, not as high as exceptional humans (like heroes) in that world are, if I remember anything from the adventurers' talk). Like you said, the classes would have been balanced in the original game. I guess a level 100 pure melee fighter would split a mountain with a single swing of a sword... Since Ains could max his level by only choosing magical skills (or closely related), I reckon one could have done the same with melee related skills.

It certainly would be interesting to see it! It wouldn't even need to be an enemy. In fact I might prefer it not to be. I still think Ains could use a buddy who's also a player (a man, so that Albedo wouldn't get jealous). Since Ains's underlings are all so fleshed out and with strong personalities, I think it would be interesting to see how they behaved in the company of a guest as strong as Ains himself. Especially if it's a human since they all seem to detest humans. That would be funny. If it was another player from the old game, he wouldn't give a shit about the fact they are all monsters.

[Ryllharu]

(a man, so that Albedo wouldn't get jealous)

Really? Albedo would get jealous of anyone getting close to Ains. She's deranged, and don't forget that the dark elf she already got a little jealous of because they got a ring before she did...is a trap.

[Kraco]

Perhaps, but I reckon she would get less jealous. At least a man wouldn't make children with Ains before she did. We haven't seen her get jealous of the butler or the scientist type, at least.

[NeoCybercoin]

I'd say it'd be even funnier if it WAS a female player that was just as strong.

[shinta|hikari]

Skeletor's Harem.

[Buffalobiian]

Perhaps, but I reckon she would get less jealous. At least a man wouldn't make children with Ains before she did. We haven't seen her get jealous of the butler or the scientist type, at least.

Albedo: "Why the hell is he hanging around Ains-sama? He can't even bear his children!"

/rips handkerchief with teeth.

[Kraco]

I'd say it'd be even funnier if it WAS a female player that was just as strong.


Skeletor's Harem.

This is one big reason why I would like it to be a dude. I'm not such a fan of harems these days. Of course it could be a woman with zilch romantic interest in Ains, but honestly I don't have much faith in the Japanese authors in that sense, to be able to pull it off. I like Albedo, so I hope she won't have too hard a time with her love. She doesn't need a rival who's stronger than she is, let alone a player. Needless to say, Ains should fully shoulder the consequences of altering Albedo's description.

[Buffalobiian]

Needless to say, Ains should fully shoulder the consequences of altering Albedo's !@#$%.

Fixed.





I noticed this a few episodes ago.. does "bitch" mean "slut" to the Japanese?

[shinta|hikari]

Yes, it does.

[Kraco]

I noticed this a few episodes ago.. does "bitch" mean "slut" to the Japanese?

I have seen with lots of manga and anime that translators oft choose to use "slut" instead of "bitch". Apparently the Japanese indeed mean slut very often if not always. It's really hard to keep it in mind. But perhaps the wall of text describing Albedo was the description of a slut and then the last line simply summed it up as a bitch (in the Japanese manner). So, changing it only made Ains the target of her sluttishness, but basically changed nothing. Though she's also a bitch as far as the loli vampire is concerned, I'd say.

[shinta|hikari]

Can you be called a slut if you only seduce one man?

[Kraco]

Can you be called a slut if you only seduce one man?

Her general behavior is fitting, quite sexual, although she's now only interested in a single man. But a good point, nonetheless. Maybe Ains managed to create a contradiction by not bothering to read all of it.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't think the rest of her description would point towards her being a slut. It's weird to finally say "She's a bitch" after you've used a paragraph to say so. It definitely seems more like a throw-in line.

Quite simply, Albedo's madly in love with Ains. She has sexual thoughts and so forth, but never actually dresses particularly provokingly by anime standards, nor does she try to directly sexually entice him. (Spreading your scent on their bedsheets doesn't count). Being sexually open (slut) and devoted (despite being sexually charged) are mutually exclusive.

[Kraco]

She's his underling. She can't approach him first. But when Ains happens to make the first move, she's quick to follow.

[Buffalobiian]

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I'm dying over here. Need next ep stat.

I enjoyed the blend of Momon's badassery and Hamusuke's fluffy incompetence. Seeing Momon get one-upped by Nabe and subsequently using his authority to slam her down was a bad move though. He'd be much more graceful as a leader if he admits his own inadequacies when they're pointed out. That move was a stain on his wisdom and frankly immature.

[Kraco]

Seeing Momon get one-upped by Nabe and subsequently using his authority to slam her down was a bad move though. He'd be much more graceful as a leader if he admits his own inadequacies when they're pointed out. That move was a stain on his wisdom and frankly immature.

It wasn't such a bad move. He's a lord of monsters, so there's nothing wrong about exerting his authority every now and then. That reminds the underlings of who's the boss and makes sure they don't grow bolder and bolder to the point they might hurt Ains's own plans.

Still, that being said, I do agree that he should have at least been more honest and told Nabe he's pushing forward himself because he feels like cracking some skulls personally. No doubt that's the real reason; he's a player, after all. I'm somewhat sure Nabe would have accepted such a reason naturally.

It's just wrong the series is well past the half-way point now. I'm already feeling dejected, just like with Mondaiji.

[NeoCybercoin]

I do think its weird that he keeps on using his swords like that. Is he that strong to defeat her while being nerfed to only use melee?

[Kraco]

My guess is that his armor converts magic prowess proportionally into melee prowess. Ains said he can't use his real (magical) power while wielding it. He has a somewhat good grasp of the general levels of power in that world, so his estimation of his chances against the woman is already educated. Whereas Clementine, tragically, hasn't got a clue of what she's facing. She must be thinking he's just another somewhat high level adventurer full of bravado (that she has never heard of and thus can't be too legendary). She has likely beaten many, based on her collection. If she wasn't such a psycho, she might have stopped to think for a moment, but she is what she is.

Safe to say those swords Ains is using must be worth a king's ransom. Who knows what sort of a raid they are from. Unless they were made by a buddy who had levelled all the way up smithing and enchanting. I don't think he would use just any sort of pieces of metal considering he's a mage, not a warrior.

[NeoCybercoin]

Just looked back on Ep 3 and it seems that the Chief Royal Warrior, Gazef Stronoff. Is one of the handful of people who can fight Clementine on equal grounds. From what we've seen....he wasn't that much. So yeah she is pretty much screwed.

[Kraco]

Just looked back on Ep 3 and it seems that the Chief Royal Warrior, Gazef Stronoff. Is one of the handful of people who can fight Clementine on equal grounds.

Can we trust that, though? I have feeling she hasn't actually fought the dude. She's probably only estimating him based on his fame, which seems to be overblown. I wouldn't be surprised if she was stronger. Or at least I hope she is. If she has fought and slain dozens of adventures, one would think she would have nice magical items in her possession, as well as varied skills.

But yeah, she's screwed, of course, although I wouldn't be surprised if she managed to escape.

[NeoCybercoin]

I'm looking forward to an action PvP between him and another max player. Just think of the devastation!

[Munsu]

So, Ainz Ooal Gown vs. Shiba Tatsuya... who do you got? Go.

Kinda pissed that it's seeming like a 13 episode series, hope we get more.

[shinta|hikari]

But Tatsuya is Jesus. He'll even forgive Ainz for his sins.

Kidding aside, there are many who could stand on equal grounds with Tatsuya (though ultimately lose) in his world. Ainz so far has none. Not even close.

This dumb "I won't take you seriously is my revenge" crap is dumb. Did I say it was dumb?

The best revenge is torture. Her pride would be mutilated just the same, but so will her body and mind. Then have her raped by your summons and then by Hamusuke. Then heal her with a potion and do it over and over again in the middle of town. That'll definitely spread his name like wildfire. I'm not quite sure, but did it have to be fame? Or was infamy just as good?

I actually liked how he bluffed his way with Nabe. It was actually one of the rare funny scenes in this show. It also shows that he isn't as smart as he pretends to be. He is just a pro player in a game he has mastered, but other than that, his intellect is a salaryman's.

[Munsu]

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I'm dying over here. Need next ep stat.

I enjoyed the blend of Momon's badassery and Hamusuke's fluffy incompetence. Seeing Momon get one-upped by Nabe and subsequently using his authority to slam her down was a bad move though. He'd be much more graceful as a leader if he admits his own inadequacies when they're pointed out. That move was a stain on his wisdom and frankly immature.

Well, he IS immature... at the very least has plenty of immaturity in him, that has been his MO since the very beginning.

Also, let's not forget that he has his own goals, some of them he doesn't want his followers to know or even question, so he NEEDS to exert his authority when his plans are questioned since they won't always align with what he's portraying to his followers.

For example, I have no doubt that part of it was he wanted to save the kid. Nabe sees his sole goal as him spreading his reputation, but that's not all Momon is about and he can't let his soft side show, even if he at times is in denial of them.

That said, when he cut up the zombie-companions, that was quite badass. No hesitation in the action and no regret. No single thought wasted on them.

[Buffalobiian]

I agree that he's immature (hence his behaviour). What I'm annoyed with is that he doesn't try to address it. Imagine if this was a party and someone on a similar level asked him that - he'd be a lot nicer. His betraying Nabe's trust (in his wisdom) is what pisses me off the most. I could laugh it off in previous situations (and in the Overlord specials) because he sidestepped the issue instead of slamming Nabe with "Think about it yourself".

[shinta|hikari]

He is betraying his minions' trust just by existing. He isn't what they think he is.

[Buffalobiian]

He is betraying his minions' trust just by existing. He isn't what they think he is.

I don't think that's quite right. He stayed back with them. To all intents and purposes his "real" role as a living person is actually irrelevant. They're not believing he's an NPC. They don't even believe they are NPCs. They're all just people in a world, and that's true enough.

[Kraco]

I don't think that's quite right. He stayed back with them. To all intents and purposes his "real" role as a living person is actually irrelevant. They're not believing he's an NPC. They don't even believe they are NPCs. They're all just people in a world, and that's true enough.

They think he's a supreme being, one of the deities that created them all. So, they certainly are regarding him as something few humans could ever act like consistently. It's all the worse all of his minions are monsters or otherwise on the dark side. It doesn't matter so much if it's a game and they are NPCs of limited functionality, but now they are all fully intelligent and independent living creatures. The pressure on Ains is huge. That's why I'm hoping he would find a player buddy in whose company he could relax 100% and fool around, without needing to act like a badass overlord all the time. Not a romantic companion, though, but just a buddy.

[Munsu]

They think he's a supreme being, one of the deities that created them all. So, they certainly are regarding him as something few humans could ever act like consistently. It's all the worse all of his minions are monsters or otherwise on the dark side. It doesn't matter so much if it's a game and they are NPCs of limited functionality, but now they are all fully intelligent and independent living creatures. The pressure on Ains is huge. That's why I'm hoping he would find a player buddy in whose company he could relax 100% and fool around, without needing to act like a badass overlord all the time. Not a romantic companion, though, but just a buddy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsvfS0lnCYU

[shinta|hikari]

I don't think that's quite right. He stayed back with them. To all intents and purposes his "real" role as a living person is actually irrelevant. They're not believing he's an NPC. They don't even believe they are NPCs. They're all just people in a world, and that's true enough.

What I meant is the very nature of his existence forces him to deceive them all the time. He is basically hiding his identity, intellect, capabilities, everything. Even the goal he explained to them is a lie. That is pretty much betraying their trust.

[Buffalobiian]

What I meant is the very nature of his existence forces him to deceive them all the time. He is basically hiding his identity, intellect, capabilities, everything. Even the goal he explained to them is a lie. That is pretty much betraying their trust.

That is true. On reflection, it's not so much his lying that I find offensive, but that he is continuously calling Nabe stupid regardless of what she's saying. When she's wrong, he shouts "Don't be stupid", when she's right he shouts "Think for yourself!" Rudeness aside it makes him a sore loser.

You lose badassery points when you're a sore loser.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm not sure if he really is saying "Don't be stupid" in Japanese. Seemed a bit milder when I was watching it.

[Kraco]

Special 04 - Anon (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=726812)




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Looking at this, I think Ainz can afford to be a little harsh on the combat maids every now and then. They probably won't be emotionally hurt or disillusioned.

[Kraco]

Episode 09 - HS




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The battle maids are fricking powerful as well, and there's a whole group of them. Yet one would imagine they are lesser being compared to the officers, or whatever you would call those serving directly under Albedo and the butler.

There's something about those slow, intimate eye-to-eye killing scenes that make them especially brutal and gruesome compared to the regular slaying scenes. The one I can't ever forget is the knifing scene from Private Ryan, and thus when a scene brings that into my mind, like now Ains crushing Clementine slowly did, it's a good sign.

I wonder what the very end was all about. I know I shared Ains's reaction of "Huh?". The vampire loli seems to be as much in love with Ains as Albedo, so it's quite unimaginable it would be exactly as Albedo said with no twists.

Edit: I probably wouldn't be able to serve under Nabe. I couldn't possibly deal with all the insults. She seems to have an unlimited supply of them.

[Buffalobiian]

Yet one would imagine they are lesser being compared to the officers, or whatever you would call those serving directly under Albedo and the butler.

Floor Guardians.


Edit: I probably wouldn't be able to serve under Nabe. I couldn't possibly deal with all the insults. She seems to have an unlimited supply of them.

I don't know, they can be such a turn-on.

I have no idea what the loli-vampire is up to, but she guards the lowest floors. I take that to mean she's the weakest of them all. This will be no trouble.

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah but this isn't like the game anymore. At least not all parts of it. She is a vampire so she'll probably consume a lot of blood to get a lot stronger. Guessing she wanted to fight Ains at her strongest to show she is better than Albedo? Dunno, just throwing theories against the wall..See what sticks.

[Ryllharu]

Edit: I probably wouldn't be able to serve under Nabe. I couldn't possibly deal with all the insults. She seems to have an unlimited supply of them.
I loved the fact that she was perpetually moving down the scale in size. Insects, worms, single-celled organisms.

I will miss Yuuki Aoi (http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=1625)'s quivering rough delinquent voice.

[Munsu]

Loved this episode, the death scene was pure awesome.

As for the rebellion, probably more fighting with Albedo, nothing more and nothing less. But we'll see if it substantiates to something more.

I don't know what they're going to do with four remaining episodes, probably setting us up for a disappointment.

But there has to be more to this, there has to.

[shinta|hikari]

The novels probably go well beyond where this anime ends. Maybe there will be a second season if this gets popular.

I liked the death hug. It was exactly the kind of torture I had in mind, only a bit rushed due to time constraints. I would've preferred the bitch breaking from fear instead of struggling until the very end.

[Kraco]

Episode 10 - HS




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At the moment it seems like Shalltear's creator was the cruelest one (although I'm sure she doesn't think so). She's a fricking lamprey monster (it even seems like her intelligence is lowered in that form, fitting such a primitive creature). Her true form is far more pitiful than her normal disguised one, even if possibly stronger. How many would have really thought that's a pure blood vampire if we had seen that form first? She was more like a monster from an old horror movie from the golden times of the last century.

In another sense this is interesting because for the first time we see someone from Nazarick lose, or at least not win straightforwardly.

[NeoCybercoin]

It seems healing vampires is the best way to damage them. She really didn't like that red potion when she got that on her. Her greatest weakness would be light/holy based weapons. I'm guessing she's much more vulnerable to that in her true form.

[Munsu]

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At the moment it seems like Shalltear's creator was the cruelest one (although I'm sure she doesn't think so). She's a fricking lamprey monster (it even seems like her intelligence is lowered in that form, fitting such a primitive creature). Her true form is far more pitiful than her normal disguised one, even if possibly stronger. How many would have really thought that's a pure blood vampire if we had seen that form first? She was more like a monster from an old horror movie from the golden times of the last century.

In another sense this is interesting because for the first time we see someone from Nazarick lose, or at least not win straightforwardly.

I was honestly confused throughout the whole episode. Couldn't really connect what was occurring with that of Ains' goals or directives he might've had to this point in the series.

So in all, not sure what's really going on.

[Buffalobiian]

I was honestly confused throughout the whole episode. Couldn't really connect what was occurring with that of Ains' goals or directives he might've had to this point in the series.

So in all, not sure what's really going on.

It looks to me like Ains had them go out on a scouting mission to find new and interesting things about this world that he didn't know about.

[Kraco]

I was honestly confused throughout the whole episode. Couldn't really connect what was occurring with that of Ains' goals or directives he might've had to this point in the series.

So in all, not sure what's really going on.

He must have sent Shalltear out to find people with genuine martial art skills (skills like perks in an RPG). Apparently Ains doesn't really know melee combat and such so well, so he must study them in order to put them to use or oppose them successfully. I reckon Shalltear is trying to provoke such people to step out of the shadows and then take them to Nazarick for interrogation and examination. To be honest that plan seems quite inefficient, but I'd assume he tries only to learn the very basics this way, without anybody noticing.

[Ryllharu]

Everything about Ains' direct involvement with Narberal was much more effective in learning about the world. The two of them easily learned in a single day what Shalltear did in the same time period of their entire little adventure against the necromancer.

Shalltear seemed to be a very poor choice in sending someone out. He would have had much better luck with Aura or Mare. Even Albedo, crazy as she can be. Shalltear's party was going berserk every encounter, killing everyone she came across.

[NeoCybercoin]

Killing everyone not useful to Ainz was her way of thinking I guess.

[Munsu]

He must have sent Shalltear out to find people with genuine martial art skills (skills like perks in an RPG). Apparently Ains doesn't really know melee combat and such so well, so he must study them in order to put them to use or oppose them successfully. I reckon Shalltear is trying to provoke such people to step out of the shadows and then take them to Nazarick for interrogation and examination. To be honest that plan seems quite inefficient, but I'd assume he tries only to learn the very basics this way, without anybody noticing.

I gathered that much, but there's something about her methods and seemingly her understanding of the orders given that don't quite mesh for me. More than the looking for martial artist, I get the feeling that there are some directives that we haven't been privy to or such.

In any case, it does seem that Shalltear wen't out of control with her bloodlust... since she mentioned quite a few times about the need to capture, not kill. Yet, all she did was massacre everyone that got in front of her. Until she was stopped that is.

[Kraco]

Yet, all she did was massacre everyone that got in front of her. Until she was stopped that is.

Yeah, because seemingly everybody in Nazarick considers humans much lower lifeforms. Add to that the fact Shalltear is a vampire for whom humans are a source of nutrients. She was only planning to spare the single individuals who displayed true martial art techniques. The rest she would eliminate both for her own amusement and to remove any witnesses. They are trying to keep themselves largely unknown to the public. Even that village saved by Ains thinks he's some travelling wizard, not a leader of a whole host of monsters located very near. The town thinks Ains is a totally different person, an adventurer from some distant land. Shaltear here failed miserably. Did she leave the redhead alive? At the very least the stronger bunch she faced last mostly escaped. The end result is that the public might learn there's a really strong vampire monster around. People might start to wonder where she came from. Unlike Ains (or Nabe or Albedo), Shalltear is viewed as an enemy and a monster now.

[Munsu]

I'm just pissed this is going to be a 12 episode series... and I have a tough time thinking of a Madhouse series which got a continuation after the initial series run.

[Kraco]

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Things escalated rather fast. First Ains was left-handedly dealing with the pesky adventurer who absolutely had to stick along, then he was retreating in half-panic. For the longest of time it seemed like nothing could theaten Ains or Nazarick, and the people of the land were weak compared even to Ains's underlings, but now it's apparent world class magical items aren't extremely rare. Otherwise it's hard to imagine why one just happened to be so near Shalltear, in possession of some random adventurers. Assuming they were random. At least it didn't look to me like they were especially preparing to slay powerful monsters.

The mausoleum was a very nice idea and place. The vault in general with the display cases full of fancy looking weapons was very fitting for an RPG.

Albedo really loves Ains. I hope he doesn't anymore feel like he did something wrong by altering her personality. Assuming he feels anything much anymore.

[David75]

It feels like Nazarick is far in the boonies. I guess there are some places on earth you woudn't believe you're in 2015.As for Shalltear and the world item: plan things so that sacrificial adventurers activate that thing.
It seems Ains was right to progress slowly, with care and undercover. It might be his high level is great, but he'll still need to use all of his potential soon.

[lelouch]

Shalltear was really the strongest servant? That's disappointing -- given her demeanor and the mystery surrounding some of the other members, I figured that there were others even stronger (including Nabe -- she seemed more powerful). Shalltear was stopped by a mere 7 adventurers, even with a world-class item. She didn't seem like an excellent fighter.

[Kraco]

Shalltear was really the strongest servant? That's disappointing -- given her demeanor and the mystery surrounding some of the other members, I figured that there were others even stronger (including Nabe -- she seemed more powerful). Shalltear was stopped by a mere 7 adventurers, even with a world-class item. She didn't seem like an excellent fighter.

Whilst I didn't expect Shalltear to be the strongest, and I don't even see why she should be considering being a vampire is not all about battle power, far from it, I reckon these world class items are something that could potentially harm even Ains himself. So, it goes without saying they could do the same to Shalltear, no matter how tough she was. I don't think the former NPCs even knew enough to be worried about magical artefacts. At least Albedo didn't show a particularly high level of knowledge when they were visiting the vault.

Who knows, maybe Shalltear's creator took her to great many battles as an NPC follower and she's simply higher level than the other ones in Nazarick. That could explain why she's stronger than anybody but Ains.

[lelouch]

Whilst I didn't expect Shalltear to be the strongest, and I don't even see why she should be considering being a vampire is not all about battle power, far from it, I reckon these world class items are something that could potentially harm even Ains himself. So, it goes without saying they could do the same to Shalltear, no matter how tough she was. I don't think the former NPCs even knew enough to be worried about magical artefacts. At least Albedo didn't show a particularly high level of knowledge when they were visiting the vault.

Who knows, maybe Shalltear's creator took her to great many battles as an NPC follower and she's simply higher level than the other ones in Nazarick. That could explain why she's stronger than anybody but Ains.


Given Nabe's ability to instantly teleport and shoot high-level magic from long distances, I don't see how she would have lost against either Shalltear or this group.

[Kraco]

Given Nabe's ability to instantly teleport and shoot high-level magic from long distances, I don't see how she would have lost against either Shalltear or this group.

We haven't seen Shalltear, or actually anybody from Nazarick, fight against a single difficult enemy. Shalltear now lost due to her ignorance and bad luck. If the necromancer had had a similar world class item, Nabe would be dead undead right now. She wasn't exactly dodging attacks or playing it safe in her arrogance. In fact even fricking Ains could have been in deep shit if Clementine had had something like that. In other words, we haven't seen a fraction of what these people are really capable of. It's a bit hasty to judge Nabe so powerful. Clearly the combat maids place themselves below the floor guardians, or at least some of the floor guardians. Hard to say about the likes of the twin elves. They don't honestly seem stronger in battle than Nabe.

[shinta|hikari]

Why the hell is Ainz blaming himself for not thinking about world items? Even the author didn't think about that when he first wrote the story lol.

If Shaltear is so powerful that only Ainz can beat her and with player level tactics on top of that, isn't she worth spending 1 world level item to save? They have several world level items after all, but only one loli vampire.

[Munsu]

Man, that dusting Igvarge in cold blood... gives a new perspective not seen previously from Ainz. There's been a bit of introspection and talk from Ainz about his willingness to do certain things, but he's never actually gone to the lengths of doing them, so it was hard to take him seriously or simply concluding that he's over-thinking things.

So in that regard, the incongruence I had with the previous episode has been completely diminished, though fact still remains that Shalltear lost control and went against some of Ainz wishes.

Anyways, one episode left... I'm expecting to be left completely unsatisfied and wishing for another season that has slim chances of happening.

[shinta|hikari]

Second season has been greenlit. Just kidding.

[Munsu]

Second season has been greenlit. Just kidding.

You're not fucking with me right?

LOL, nice use of the font color!

[Kraco]

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Haha, an awesome amount of buffs Ains started the battle preparations with. It would have made an impressive row of icons on the screen. I couldn't help but laugh when he just kept going, casting more and more of them.

A nice fight all in all. I can see why the others were so worried and why Shalltear has their respect battle prowess wise. A difficult opponent, even if the random group of adventurers took her down easily enough with the world class item. It's a good question why they simply left, leaving her there. Were they observing, leaving her there as a trap, or were they in a hurry to leave, licking their wounds?

How seriously was Ains taking this? Or maybe it's a wrong question. He took this very seriously, but at the same time he was like a player who wanted to fight seriously but with some self-set handicaps. The biggest one was obviously going alone, but he also wasn't using any fancy equipment. Was that only to give whoever was observing as little information as possible? Or did he also want to show Shalltear, and the others, just what a supreme being is capable of? For the balance's sake it was positive Shalltear surprised him a couple of times.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this is going to end.

[Munsu]

So... now it's 13 episodes instead of 12?

Once episode 12 was finished, I was thinking it would've been preposterous to end it like that. But looks like we're getting an extra episode for now.

Anyways, best part of the episode was when Ainz was buffing up and casting all the preparedness spells. That was just awesome.

[shinta|hikari]

Ainz took off his armor for a cheap reason he will reveal in the next episode. It's his key to victory.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Ainz suddenly said, "Now I'm gonna use my mana potion. Full MP. You lose, Shaltear."

[Munsu]

Ainz took off his armor for a cheap reason he will reveal in the next episode. It's his key to victory.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Ainz suddenly said, "Now I'm gonna use my mana potion. Full MP. You lose, Shaltear."

With MP Expansion, MP Double Expansion, Giga MP Boost.

[shinta|hikari]

Tripuru Efekuto Gureta- Magiku Poshon!!!

[Buffalobiian]

http://i.imgur.com/YSzuO7H.png



In the end though, he's going to use those tags of his. I bet you that for a limited time only, Momonga gets to play as if he was another supreme being altogether.
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A difficult opponent, even if the random group of adventurers took her down easily enough with the world class item. It's a good question why they simply left, leaving her there. Were they observing, leaving her there as a trap, or were they in a hurry to leave, licking their wounds?

They cast the world item control over her, but she killed the caster before it could take full effect. The control didn't dissipate however and she was stuck in auto-defense. All the other allies didn't know she now lacked aggression and attacked her. The died.

This isn't a trap. It's more like a bug.

[Kraco]

They cast the world item control over her, but she killed the caster before it could take full effect. The control didn't dissipate however and she was stuck in auto-defense. All the other allies didn't know she now lacked aggression and attacked her. The died.

This isn't a trap. It's more like a bug.

Some of them were left alive, the guild told Ains as much. So, they didn't waste their lives entirely. But it indeed does make sense that only the very person who was holding the world class item would be able to issue the command, so it was useless for the others. Whoever survived, also took care of the corpses of their fallen comrades. It seems dubious some outsider would have retrieved the dead bodies when Shalltear was standing right there, with a weapon in hand. Even if this wasn't what the adventurers wanted, it doesn't mean they wouldn't want to know just who the hell Shalltear was and if more monsters will appear looking for her. That would be quite a basic precaution, assuming they were levelheaded enough for it anymore.

[NeoCybercoin]

I thought he wasn't using own World Class items because if he were to lose then however was controlling Shaltear would simply have to loot him to get those items.

[Kraco]

I thought he wasn't using own World Class items because if he were to lose then however was controlling Shaltear would simply have to loot him to get those items.

Between losing an item and his own (un)life, I don't think he would choose the latter (his underlings are another matter entirely, like the scene with the twins demonstrated). If that was the only thing worrying him, he would have taken Albedo and Cocytus with him and made short work of Shalltear in a 3vs1 fight. Shalltear claimed Ains couldn't bring or summon anyone else because Shalltear would leech their HP, but that's bullshit. If she had three opponents, she could still only focus fully on one at a time. That one would simply use their whole strength to avoid any attacks while the other two would be free to concentrate their everything on attacking. The odds aren't linear in an unfair match with limited participants, they vastly favour the ones with superior numbers.

We already saw a long time ago a scene where Ains made sure spies didn't see too much. That was when he slaughtered the theocracy troops. He has to consider every aspect of the game, being an Overlord!

[shinta|hikari]

Uh, Ains clearly said his true motive during the fight. He just, uhm, wanted to fight.

[Kraco]

Uh, Ains clearly said his true motive during the fight. He just, uhm, wanted to fight.

So what? That's like saying a human wants to eat, sleep, and defecate. Big news. Of course he wants to fight, he's a player. He wouldn't have been a player of that game to begin with if he didn't. He would be playing Sims or some other shit instead. It goes without saying he wants to fight. We were talking about the details here.

[shinta|hikari]

Details which he mentioned didn't matter lol.

[Kraco]

Details which he mentioned didn't matter lol.

So, why does he suddenly have a different gear from normal, to the point Shalltear mentioned it, if it didn't matter? If it didn't matter, he would have gone there in his normal gear, the one we have been seeing all the time, not with lesser or greater. So, it indeed mattered. He would also have taken somebody with him, since he has always moved around with at least one other escorting him. Evidence is irrefutable.

[David75]

It is true that his attire was minimalistic compared to when he's in Nazarick.

I guess he feels that's enough to beat Shalltear.
It partly explains Cocytus probabilities, that were a bit low for Ains. 30% is already too much of a gamble for such a small objective, justifiying getting some help if it was his maximum capacities...


But it isn't the case. He's been there with lots of handicaps.
I guess it serves several purposes:
He does not disclose too much about the extent of his capabilities to any spies... Or even his underlings.
He shows everyone he's boss, particularly his underlings...

[Kraco]

He does not disclose too much about the extent of his capabilities to any spies... Or even his underlings.
He shows everyone he's boss, particularly his underlings...

Actually he's disclosing quite a lot about his personal capabilities since he has nothing else on him in that simple cloak. Except those ice cream sticks, but it's quite possible anybody seeing them wouldn't know what they are looking at. He's not disclosing anything about his origin, his possible associates, or any powerful artefacts he might possess (since it was such an item that took down Shalltear).

[Ryllharu]

Shalltear didn't need to hit him for very long or do very much damage and she recovered significantly. The hit Ains received was incidental at best because of the mini-teleport. Her recovery capabilities with that lance are no joke.

I assume it is based on percentage of total HP, because she had to kill quite a lot of her summoned critters to fully recover the second time.

Taking anyone else with him really would have made it much harder to beat her. Especially the strong vassals.

[Kraco]

I still don't agree on that. Since it was Ains alone, he needed to keep both attacking and defending at the same time, making him much more vulnerable. If he had competent allies with him, only the one Shalltear was targeting would need to defend and evade, but could do it 100%. So, if Shalltear ever fancied to really push and stick that lance into the target, she would get instantly backstabbed and beheaded by the others if she managed to hit successfully. Insta regen wouldn't do her much good if she had no heart or head.

Ains used remarkably few necromancer spells during the bout, I have to say. Low level necromancer might be ill suited to fight powerful undead since necromancer attacks ought to be negative energy (anti-life) and such which would be meaningless, but a powerful necromancer in fact should be the second best match for undead monsters (after holy champions). I'm almost surprised Ains couldn't simply override Shalltear's condition at least partially and temporarily with some subdue/control spell. There's logically no way a necromancer could become a master necromancer without knowing how to beat the undead. Although I suppose that would have made a poor story.

[Buffalobiian]

Oh, and before I forget.. I reckon "False Data: Life" would play a part in this somewhere. It's one of the only spells he cast initially that wasn't a buff/debuff/fly/attack.

[MFauli]

WTF

Just found out about this show thanks to the Top 3-topic. Why did nobody alert me?! An anime about a virtual reality game? Always!

Already 3 episodes in, and I like it. Will binge it all today, I guess.

And Albedo is the hottest anime girl in a long time

[Munsu]

WTF

Just found out about this show thanks to the Top 3-topic. Why did nobody alert me?! An anime about a virtual reality game? Always!

Already 3 episodes in, and I like it. Will binge it all today, I guess.

And Albedo is the hottest anime girl in a long time

https://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php/15334-Anime-Recommendation-and-Suggestion-Query?p=551657&viewfull=1#post551657

I don't like Albedo much, I prefer Nabe by a long mile.

[MFauli]

Aaand all caught up. Great anime. And I just read that season 2 is coming. Nice.

As for the fight against Shalltear: I dont quite understand why she´s so strong. In terms of fighting ease, she appears to be superior to Ains here, who has to go all out just to keep up. I always thought that the creators are significantly stronger than their creations. Very weird. In the beginning I thought that Shalltear got a power up by that group with the world item, but the way everything was explained later, that´s not the case.

Anyway, what TRULY sucks is that we have another gay hero. Oh. My. God. The things I would do to Albedo ... and she´d like it!!1 lol

[Kraco]

Aaand all caught up. Great anime. And I just read that season 2 is coming. Nice.

Where did you read that?


As for the fight against Shalltear: I dont quite understand why she´s so strong. In terms of fighting ease, she appears to be superior to Ains here, who has to go all out just to keep up. I always thought that the creators are significantly stronger than their creations. Very weird. In the beginning I thought that Shalltear got a power up by that group with the world item, but the way everything was explained later, that´s not the case.

In most RPGs you play, if you drop all the precious gear you have, your high level character would face difficulties facing tough enemies. Ains had nothing on him, except those ice cream sticks he haven't even used yet. If you think about this fight, Shalltear would have died much earlier without that life sucking lance of hers. She also had the badass looking armour. Typically mages fare better if they have a meatwall between themselves and the enemy.


Anyway, what TRULY sucks is that we have another gay hero. Oh. My. God. The things I would do to Albedo ... and she´d like it!!1 lol

He's a fricking lich. It has been said multiple times that whenever he starts to feel any strong emotion, it gets wiped off. Not to mention he's all bones (a human dick doesn't even have a bone inside it, unlike some animal members, so he has got nothing down there). He's not gay. He's asexual for a very good reason, unless he somehow decides to change things.

[MFauli]

Where did you read that?

https://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php/23273-Overlord?p=551804&viewfull=1#post551804


He's a fricking lich. It has been said multiple times that whenever he starts to feel any strong emotion, it gets wiped off. Not to mention he's all bones (a human dick doesn't even have a bone inside it, unlike some animal members, so he has got nothing down there). He's not gay. He's asexual for a very good reason, unless he somehow decides to change things.

I expected this reply. I don´t accept it. He displays a wide array of emotions, and his libido isnt gone completely, since this emotion-cancelling auto-effect keeps happening. Also, if he truly had no guy parts, why would all the girls expect to be impregnated by their lord? I´m pretty sure he either isn´t a 100% skeleton OR he can manipulate his own body at will - we´ve seen as much when he changed his face, although the might have been an optical illusion only.

And even if he´s truly asexual, it still sucks from a watcher´s perspective :>

[Buffalobiian]

LMAO, MFauli you got trolled bad. xD





(shinta's not serious)

[Kraco]

https://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php/23273-Overlord?p=551804&viewfull=1#post551804

The very post says he was only joking.


I expected this reply. I don´t accept it. He displays a wide array of emotions, and his libido isnt gone completely, since this emotion-cancelling auto-effect keeps happening. Also, if he truly had no guy parts, why would all the girls expect to be impregnated by their lord? I´m pretty sure he either isn´t a 100% skeleton OR he can manipulate his own body at will - we´ve seen as much when he changed his face, although the might have been an optical illusion only.

Strong emotions get inhibited. I reckon long lasting ones as well. It's one of the finer and unique points of this show's setting that the main character is a skeletor. For once, like once in a thousand, we have a very good reason why a harem of bishoujo will be meaningless for the main character. Every person in Nazarick, save the prisoners, is a monster. I don't think they much care for Ains's physical state. Albedo believes magic will somehow solve the problem. In fact I imagine it could, if Ains ever decides to do it. But as it happens, he would have no strong motivation to try because motivation is an emotion. Actually liches ought to have a couple of emotions like a thirst for power and knowledge and a fear of death. They are wizards who wanted to live forever, after all.

Maybe I'll start to read the LN once the anime ends to learn more.

[MFauli]

Ugh, so ... what are the chances for a real season 2, then? :/


Also Kraco, I dont care about any of that. I just want to have a main character that takes advantage of Albedo :>

[lelouch]

Episode 13

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Been waiting all week for this finale, and it did not disappoint. Wonderful ending -- looks highly probably for a Season 2 as well. I can't imagine popularity for this show being too low for a continuation, and things left off perfectly.

[Buffalobiian]

Hah, in the end Ains still needed help from the the elf guardian on the border. He's good, but not infallible. I quite like that.

[shinta|hikari]

The cash item twist was bullshit. The fight could've worked without all that. When he switched to the bow, he could have sniped Shaltear til her HP dropped to crap then nuked her with Fallen Down (Sora no Otoshimono song!). The axe and shield parts were pointless.

It's also annoying how Shaltear forgot all about her betrayal. I would've loved seeing her in full guilty state.

That said, there should be a 2nd season for this. Every atom of this show is just an excuse for badassery, and that's not a bad thing.

[neflight86]

Really good stuff. More entertaining than the other MMO anime I've seen (which is not much, but still). Hope season two becomes a thing.

[Buffalobiian]

The blow looked like it had a slow firing rate. I'm not sure that it would have worked Shinta.

They don't mention there being any cash shops in this world. That actually makes those cash items just as rare as Worldly items. There is a revival system however and that still charges gold, so who knows.

[NeoCybercoin]

I need me a season two. Really want to see Victim and Gargantua now.

[Kraco]

Since this new world is more wholesome than the old one, the NPCs gaining sentience being a perfect example of it, Ains might find a way to make certain rare items by himself. On the other hand he might not even need them so much anymore if he's more careful and plans their actions better.

I wouldn't count on this getting a second season. Aside from the textbook shounen running for years, typically only simple ecchi shows get two or more seasons. That's what the anime scene has been reduced to. Of course there are still exceptions, but they tend to have something in common, like catering to a totally different crowd (such as fujoshi). Maybe it's already a miracle we get these 10-13 episodes shows of interesting stories to begin with.

A jolly good series. This will remain one of the best anime this year.

[Ryllharu]

It's also annoying how Shaltear forgot all about her betrayal. I would've loved seeing her in full guilty state.
Very much this. It completely wasted an excellent opportunity. It's not like Shalltear really saw anything before she got hit anyway since she was in full berserker bloodlust mode. It would have added a lot more meaning to Ains telling everyone that it wasn't her fault but his own for being cocky.

[MFauli]

Fantastic last episode of the first cour ... and I fully expect a season 2, fuck the world if it doesn´t happen.

Shalltear being oblvious was disappointing, but maybe we´ll get a flashback to Demiurge telling her everything in season 2. Definitely want to see THAT reaction, haha.

Despite some onknown force having been able to kinda endanger a Nazarik member, I still wonder if there´s anyone/-thing in this world that could fight toe to toe with them. We haven´t seen anyone come close so far.

And even if its chances are low, I hope that something is done about Ains´ libido. It´s just not fun when you see hot girls throwing themselves at him and nothing happen. Would really make this show excel significantly over most anime. Having said that, I agree that Overlord has turned out to be the best MMORPG-anime so far. It´s unfortunate that it cannot match SAO´s animation, but other than maybe the first 3-4 episodes of, agian, SAO, Overlord has triumphed over any competition. While Log Horizon was nice, it always had you waiting for unleashing its potential ... and here we are, two seasons later and all we got to witness was preparations.

Lastly, I can´t even state that it´s a great song, but the ending has really grown on me. "Don´t you give me your love and passion!". It´s just such a perfect fit for Albedo´s character and her relation towards Ains.

[NeoCybercoin]

What this show has mostly shown for me is that magic casters are OP. So I'd really love to see a lv 100 warrior or other melee based player doing similar feats of destruction. It'd be one heck of an unbalanced game if the magic casters were OP.

[Buffalobiian]

They're OP when given enough spells to counter situations in the correct way. It takes a lot of brains and planning, so they're not easy to use IMO.

For consistency, other classes may be better. Say if they have a rematch, there's no way Shaltear would lose once she knows Ains' cards. He's always known her's.

[Kraco]

What this show has mostly shown for me is that magic casters are OP. So I'd really love to see a lv 100 warrior or other melee based player doing similar feats of destruction. It'd be one heck of an unbalanced game if the magic casters were OP.

It would probably take a level 100 player with a melee character. Shalltear was already quite a strong melee fighter, but in the end I reckon these former NPCs (or the people of the land to borrow the term from another series) are in a certain sense more straight-forward and pure characters than players, especially since the original game didn't even allow to reach level 100 following only a single path. Ains is also a combination of a bunch of magic related classes. I'm not sure of NPCs, not to mention the random humans populating this new world, are such or if Shalltear is simply a pure vampire class 100%.

In short, a level 100 melee player would still be a versatile character no matter what.

[shinta|hikari]

To those who wish to continue with the LN (http://skythewood.blogspot.com/2015/04/O40.html).

[KrayZ33]

Wow... I just watched this and I'm totally satisfied with just about everything. No, really, why where all the other "gaming turns reality" shows so *bad* compared to this one?

Probably the most fun I've had in a while watching anime.
I liked *all* the characters, they all acted pretty reasonable and while MC is OP as fuck 85%+ of the time, he doesn't end up wasting it. (I can't express enough how much I appreciated that)
Best MC in years. Best show too.

Season 2 when? WHY Japan, WHY Madhouse? Don't do this to me :(

Yo Shinta, did you read V1-3? Anything worth reading from it - side stories, maybe whole arcs that were left out because they didn't really advance the story?

[shinta|hikari]

Yo Shinta, did you read V1-3? Anything worth reading from it - side stories, maybe whole arcs that were left out because they didn't really advance the story?

Haven't read any of the LNs, but I do have them saved. They got licensed, so fan translated stuff will soon disappear.

[Kraco]

I have read what's translated of the LNs. It's jolly good stuff, really, even if occasionally morbid. Better written than the other LNs I've read (though they aren't many). The anime was faithful to the source. Bits and pieces were cut, mainly stuff concerning other characters than the Nazarick folks (that is, concerning the original denizens of that world). They were probably cut because they are only really meaningful for later parts of the story. This is the exceedingly ordinary situation when there are no plans whatsoever to continue the anime beyond the initial run, so anything not relevant to it can be cut.

I won't describe it any further to avoid spoilers. I'd suggest reading it from the beginning. Just skip chapters covered by the anime if you want.

[KrayZ33]

Do you happen to have them in .pdf files or something?
I usally save them as Rich Text Documents, but I'm not really satisfied with that.

edit: NVM got them, nicely and well done by some random dude - the illustrations look awesome for this one. Especially the one with Narberal Gamma in a Bunny Suit <3

Need to keep in mind that they'll stop translating this at the end of the year. I wish official releases weren't so slow (freaking 3-6 months/volume just to translate and press things :()

[Kraco]

Need to keep in mind that they'll stop translating this at the end of the year. I wish official releases weren't so slow (freaking 3-6 months/volume just to translate and press things :()

If the pricing Yen Press sports wasn't better called highway robbery, I might even consider buying them, likely as ebooks if they make those. But since their name should be Dollar Press, not Yen Press, I don't know. Maybe I'll just forget the series ever existed. Assuming I'd remember it in any case since it'll take them years to reach volume 10.

[KrayZ33]

Is it really that expensive? They cost between 5-15€ depending on how old/kindle/book version.
That's totally fine by me. The only problem I have is that they are slow.
I bought "Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon" and since it gets a 2nd season, I don't feel like waiting for the rest because it will take even more time for them to catch up - that is, if the 2nd season isn't all original content.

[MFauli]

Are those light novels just novels, or are they interactive, with multiple outcomes of various situations depending on your choice?

[shinta|hikari]

Just normal novels that are really short and usually badly written.

[Kraco]

Is it really that expensive? They cost between 5-15€ depending on how old/kindle/book version.
That's totally fine by me. The only problem I have is that they are slow.
I bought "Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon" and since it gets a 2nd season, I don't feel like waiting for the rest because it will take even more time for them to catch up - that is, if the 2nd season isn't all original content.

Hmm... Maybe I was mistaken. I have only cursorily glanced at the pricing of manga in English, and it always seemed bafflingly expensive, but I think the situation isn't as simple as I thought, now that I had a better look at it. My bad.

Although I still think it should be cheaper in English than in Finnish, not cost anywhere near the same. I mean, I bet popular manga will sell more volumes in English than the total population of Finland. That should somehow be reflected in the price. This is also one reason why I decided not to buy manga in English, only in Finnish.

In any case if I pay, let's say, ~9 euros for real (paperback) novels, I'm definitely not going to pay the same for short light novels with subpar writing quality. Yen Press bosses can buy their next Lamborghinis with somebody else's money.


Just normal novels that are really short and usually badly written.

With a few pictures included to spare you from the trouble of having to use your imagination.

[KrayZ33]

In any case if I pay, let's say, ~9 euros for real (paperback) novels, I'm definitely not going to pay the same for short light novels with subpar writing quality.

Well, you either enjoy them or you don't, it's entertainment after all and not about who is being the deepest shakespeare.. The price is all right, depends on how much the author actually gains from it though.
Because if I'm buying it, I'm buying it because I want more of it in the future.

But since (as mentioned several times now :D) they are too slow, I lose intereset before I even decide to invest money most of the time.
Same goes for other franchise, like blu-rays n' stuff. Series are way too expensive, but movies are somewhat reasonable. I've got Rebuild 2.22 here, payed ~15-20(?)€ for it and it came out like 1-2 months later than the nippon version or so? That was pretty cool.

I'm like "do it more often!" and throw money at them as thanks.

But what about the situation at hand now?
- I watched the anime
-> the anime is clearly made to enhance LN sales
-> 1st official translated LN mid ~2016
-> if they follow their normal schedule 2nd will be around late 2016
-> Anime went up to Volume ~3-4
-> Thus new story content would release end ~2017
-> 2 years after I got interested in this series.... Ya right, as if I even remember half of this then.

6 month / release is what the Author has time to come up with stuff and write the story, why does a translation need that amount of time? I get that they need time to press things and to polish it and that you don't want to end up having to wait for the author for new content... but 6 months for ~300-400 DIN A-fucking-6 pages?

We are not talking about a book that takes days to read.... Right now, whenever something gets licensed that I like, I feel like dropping it even though I'm actually extremely willing to pay a somewhat reasonable price (please not 50€ for 3 episodes). However, by the time I can actually get my hands on it, I'm not really interested anymore.

[shinta|hikari]

They are too slow period. It is clearly unreasonable.

[fireheart]

So Overlord is getting a second season
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-03-10/overlord-tv-anime-gets-2nd-season/.113293

[Kraco]

I wouldn't have expected that considering the material they cut, but apparently the recap movie is going to have new scenes, so maybe they will insert some of them to make the second season more valid. At least that would be nicer than starting the second season with such scenes.

[MFauli]

Sweet thanks lord! Leaving this with just season 1 as asinine. Now get a 3rd season of Log Horizon running and remake Claymore and we´re talking!

[NeoCybercoin]

Man, been looking forward to this since I finished the first season. And totally agree with remake of Claymore.

[Kraco]

There would be a lot better choices than Log Horizon, which ruined itself with the second season. I didn't believe in Overlord getting a second season, so this news was mighty fine. Now if only Mondaiji and No Game No Life would get one as well.

[MFauli]

No Game no life definitly needs a continuation, too, yes.

Btw I´m still waiting for s2 of Ride Back, lol

[NeoCybercoin]

Definitely need more No Game No Life as well. But I don't see it happening any time soon. Then again I thought the same about Overlord.
Then again....when I saw the Overlord poster in Youjo Senki when time stopped, I had a suspicion it might happen but I left it at that.

[Munsu]

Sweet thanks lord! Leaving this with just season 1 as asinine. Now get a 3rd season of Log Horizon running and remake Claymore and we´re talking!

And this is a Madhouse show...


In any case, quite pumped to see a continuation here. There are SO many series I want a continuation for, once in a rare moon we can rejoice.

[Munsu]

Few more details, looks like it's coming out on January 2018:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/news/2017-09-28/overlord-tv-anime-2nd-season-premieres-in-january-2018/.121976

http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/news/2017-09-29/main-staff-visual-revealed-for-overlord-anime-2nd-season/.122032

[Munsu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ksX48PBQY

[NeoCybercoin]

I need this now.

[KrayZ33]

Me too.

I really do.

[Kraco]

It does look quite promising. Having read the LNs (except the latest one translated), it should have good stuff.

[MFauli]

Looks nice. I really need to rewatch season 1, though.

[shinta|hikari]

Oh, you're back.

[MFauli]

Kinda. Lots of personal business. Did I miss anything important? :o

[Buffalobiian]

Overlord Movie 1 (magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3B3FYGLYPA4DZ6J5AAFTWRGK5ALUS CWU&dn=Overlord%3A+The+Undead+King+%28BDRip+1920x1080+ x264+FLAC%29&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fnyaa.tracker.wf%3A7777%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337%2Fann ounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fan nounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969%2Fannounce), Movie 2 (magnet:?xt=urn:btih:HVDEELM2W47CYGWFZHIM7SB7ARZOF V6A&dn=%5BSenpai%5D+Overlord%3A+The+Dark+Hero+-+Movie+%232+%5B1080p%5D+%5Bx264%5D+%5BFLAC%5D+%5BH i10%5D.mkv&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fnyaa.tracker.wf%3A7777%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337%2Fann ounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fan nounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969%2Fannounce) (recap movies)

[AVT] Overlord II - 01 [720p] [English SUB] (magnet:?xt=urn:btih:5ADTYWREHFV567WIROOI3XJBEGD22 Z6S&dn=%5BAVT%5D+Overlord+II+-+01+%5B720p%5D+%5BEnglish+SUB%5D&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fnyaa.tracker.wf%3A7777%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337%2Fann ounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fan nounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969%2Fannounce)

The video quality is shit, but it's Overlord. It'll do.

[Kraco]

I'll just wait for the actual airing and a HS release. I've read the novels anyway, so it's not like I'd be burning to know what happens next.

[Munsu]

I'll just wait for the actual airing and a HS release. I've read the novels anyway, so it's not like I'd be burning to know what happens next.

I haven't read the novels, but I'll do the same. But honestly, the temptation is strong.

[Kraco]

I haven't read the novels, but I'll do the same. But honestly, the temptation is strong.

Yeah, I confess I checked the torrents earlier, but they were some random things with hardsubs and whatnot.

[KrayZ33]

HS version is out.

What a great first episode... and even though I'm not really part of the group that is responsible for the 2nd season, the creater/animator message at the end took me by suprise.

[Kraco]

The production values looked really decent. I guess the studio found funding easier to secure this time.

The episode content was kind of all over the place. If I wasn't a novel reader, I wonder how I'd have felt about it? Would it have felt coherent to suddenly include so many new people? A part of the problem is that the first season cut some stuff because obviously they were never dreaming of making a second season, so it made sense to drop material that was only necessary for later things the original anime would have never covered. So, they needed a bit of a rushed start here.

[Munsu]

The production values looked really decent. I guess the studio found funding easier to secure this time.

The episode content was kind of all over the place. If I wasn't a novel reader, I wonder how I'd have felt about it? Would it have felt coherent to suddenly include so many new people? A part of the problem is that the first season cut some stuff because obviously they were never dreaming of making a second season, so it made sense to drop material that was only necessary for later things the original anime would have never covered. So, they needed a bit of a rushed start here.

Yeah, I didn't care much for the first episode. Not that I minded it, just will have to wait for things to develop a bit more since there was little of note other than pure exposition. Nonetheless, looking forward to where it takes us with this setup.

[Buffalobiian]

The production values looked really decent. I guess the studio found funding easier to secure this time.

The episode content was kind of all over the place. If I wasn't a novel reader, I wonder how I'd have felt about it? Would it have felt coherent to suddenly include so many new people? A part of the problem is that the first season cut some stuff because obviously they were never dreaming of making a second season, so it made sense to drop material that was only necessary for later things the original anime would have never covered. So, they needed a bit of a rushed start here.

It felt overwhelming to watch the beginning of the episode when I first watched the subpar releases. I promptly stopped watching a few minutes in and caught up with S1 by watching the movies. That made S2 way easier since everything is fresh. It went that bad after that.

[KrayZ33]

The production values looked really decent. I guess the studio found funding easier to secure this time.

The episode content was kind of all over the place. If I wasn't a novel reader, I wonder how I'd have felt about it? Would it have felt coherent to suddenly include so many new people? A part of the problem is that the first season cut some stuff because obviously they were never dreaming of making a second season, so it made sense to drop material that was only necessary for later things the original anime would have never covered. So, they needed a bit of a rushed start here.

It wasn't overwhelming at all for me. I don't know what information I'm missing, but expect to hear more background stories from the human factions and new characters soon. But even without it, the worldbuilding is already done well enough (thanks to season 1 too)

The new characters were necessary because S1 ended right before their introduction was due.
People who watched S1 wanted to know more about the human factions, especially the faction that attacked the vampire loli and their objectives. We already knew about the kingdoms and their location on the world-map.

The next Enigma to solve is the big dragon and his knowledge about "world items" and the term "Yggdrasil" (which so far as I remember, has only been mentioned by Ainz as a player)... and I'm pretty sure that he'll be Ainz's main opponent for season 2... or at least I hope so. The "100 years ago"-talk sounded like as if Ainz was not even the first "human"/player to enter this world. But the one before him was most likely an Alliance player, while Ainz is a Horde player.

At some point, I hope to see a 3-way war emerging with Ainz in the middle of it all as the undefeatable endboss. A true opponent and worldboss-faction.


on a side note:

Regrit reminded me of Ana from Overwatch.

[Buffalobiian]

It was overwhelming if you needed an introduction back into the series like I did. "Overwhelming" is pretty much just "where the fuck were you from again?" though.

It sounded like the Dragon only just knew about the term Yggdrasil. He's had all 100 years to figure it out if he knew prior to this.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 02

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No wonder these guys have overpopulation issues. They want to fuck way too easily.

[David75]

Well, same in our world and it's not like we have almost 6 billions people living on the planet... no wait :rolleyes:

Interactions were fun tough, somehow a challenge.

So we are to think the menace came from Ains minions ?

[Kraco]

No wonder these guys have overpopulation issues. They want to fuck way too easily.

Their only major food source being fishing wild fish from a single lake is why they have those troubles. They didn't try to farm fish, or anything, before the wanderer is now trying it. You don't need an overly large population before a lake can't sustain it naturally. Who knows, they probably aren't even the only creatures depending on the lake's limited fish population. Furthermore, if they have lived there for a long time and experienced famines, it means they have already had a negative impact on the composition of edible fish populations and the lake's ecosystem. That is, their most desired fish species would have likely regressed in number and quality.

[Ryllharu]

What an unfathomably terrible episode. The beginning of a truly awful arc.

If this goes on for longer than and episode or two more, there will never be an Overlord III.

I don't give a fuck about the lizard people. I don't care about the lizard people. They're not interesting characters, they're not the reason I watch this series. The hints at the goings-on human empires the previous episode were more interesting. The back-biting within Nazarick is more interesting. The maids are more interesting.

I found the lizard people in Isekai Shokudou more engaging with their goal of eating omelet rice every so often.

This episode made me immediately want to drop the series.

[Munsu]

What an unfathomably terrible episode. The beginning of a truly awful arc.

If this goes on for longer than and episode or two more, there will never be an Overlord III.

I don't give a fuck about the lizard people. I don't care about the lizard people. They're not interesting characters, they're not the reason I watch this series. The hints at the goings-on human empires the previous episode were more interesting. The back-biting within Nazarick is more interesting. The maids are more interesting.

I found the lizard people in Isekai Shokudou more engaging with their goal of eating omelet rice every so often.

This episode made me immediately want to drop the series.

Your reaction is a bit extreme, but yeah I share some of the sentiment.

[Kraco]

Truth to be told, I wouldn't have minded terribly much if this arc had been skipped in the anime. It has its place in the bigger picture, but since I've read the novels, it's not like skipping this would have affected me personally since I know what happens in it and the consequences. So, the eps could have been used to animate something more interesting (which is everything else in the novel series since this is possibly the weakest arc). But then again, if they do want to stay as faithful as possible to the source, naturally this is the best way. Still, I'm sure someone in Japan could have written a script to only show the consequences in a more compact manner, let's say in 1.5 episodes.

The next arc is really good, Ryll, so don't drop the show. Even this arc has some funny parts, should they sagely animate them.

[Munsu]

Truth to be told, I wouldn't have minded terribly much if this arc had been skipped in the anime. It has its place in the bigger picture, but since I've read the novels, it's not like skipping this would have affected me personally since I know what happens in it and the consequences. So, the eps could have been used to animate something more interesting (which is everything else in the novel series since this is possibly the weakest arc). But then again, if they do want to stay as faithful as possible to the source, naturally this is the best way. Still, I'm sure someone in Japan could have written a script to only show the consequences in a more compact manner, let's say in 1.5 episodes.

The next arc is really good, Ryll, so don't drop the show. Even this arc has some funny parts, should they sagely animate them.

Personally I don't mind the arc per se (not that I know what it is), but I think the Lizard interactions should've been kept at a minimum. We don't need long interaction scenes between them. At worst, they could've spliced scenes from other events going on in between (kinda like the exposition they did in the first episode a bit), and of course... give us at least SOMETHING on our main characters. As it stands, just feels like tedious episode to get through for characters we have no care for at the moment.

[Kraco]

The novels have a tendency to spend a lot of time describing what characters other than the Nazarick folks are doing. A lot of time indeed. I suppose it's a way to make the new world more meaningful and less static. In that sense the whole novel series isn't like the first arcs shown in the first anime season, which concentrated on Ainz admirably. Of course the degree varies from arc to arc.

Perhaps the anime producers were afraid of the reception of this arc among anime only watcher, but did nothing to help it.

[Munsu]

The novels have a tendency to spend a lot of time describing what characters other than the Nazarick folks are doing. A lot of time indeed. I suppose it's a way to make the new world more meaningful and less static. In that sense the whole novel series isn't like the first arcs shown in the first anime season, which concentrated on Ainz admirably. Of course the degree varies from arc to arc.

Perhaps the anime producers were afraid of the reception of this arc among anime only watcher, but did nothing to help it.

I guess, for me personally, it's not as much of time spent on them, but how much if it is within an episode. Guess I'd want more balance within each of them, and having long scenes doesn't help on that regard particularly on a 20 minute episode.

[Buffalobiian]

I'll quietly enjoy watching lizards court then.

[KrayZ33]

It's not that I dislike the reptiles, it's just that the way they do things is extremely boring right now, I really hope they won't take 1 episode for each tribe or something....

I'm more interested in the human factions, but I'm also interested in what is going on and what Ainz is trying to do... unless he already told us and I missed it somehow.

[Kraco]

I'm more interested in the human factions, but I'm also interested in what is going on and what Ainz is trying to do... unless he already told us and I missed it somehow.

Ainz is trying to keep up with the Guardians and come up with ways to make them think everything is going according to his masterful plans (which don't exist).

[shinta|hikari]

That's a... terrible plan.

[Ryllharu]

I don't have a problem with execution in particular. The tail thumps indicating the two were attracted to each other was very well done and pretty funny.

It's the bait-and-switch aspect of it all. Like Munsu said, balance. There's no reason we couldn't have gotten a few minutes of background for a Nazarick-focused arc cut into the lizards. And the lizard scenes were slow and needed some editing.

This episode felt like you were in the middle of a quest, pass through a doorway, and are forced to click page by page through all the volumes of The Lusty Argonian Maid before you can continue with what you were actively engaged in.

[Mizuchi]

Sorry to disappoint you all, but I read ahead unfortunately a couple years back. This shitty lizard arc will go on probably for another month or two.

[NeoCybercoin]

No spoilers

[Buffalobiian]

This episode felt like you were in the middle of a quest, pass through a doorway, and are forced to click page by page through all the volumes of The Lusty Argonian Maid before you can continue with what you were actively engaged in.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I did.

[NeoCybercoin]

How was guessing that it's about 2 episodes left for this arc a spoiler?

[Buffalobiian]

How was guessing that it's about 2 episodes left for this arc a spoiler?

Because if I tell you that this next arc will be over in 1 episode, you know that nothing much will happen.

Likewise if I tell you this arc will last the entire 13 episodes, you know things will get complicated.

[NeoCybercoin]

Then shouldn't Mizuchi with the post above mine be removed? I mean he specifically states that he has read ahead and says how long it's gonna be. Where as I am just guessing because I doubt it will go on for that long. Doesn't seem really fair ya know?

[Kraco]

Episode 3


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Quite a nondescript episode in the middle of the arc. The highlight of the arc is what we saw here: For Ainz these lizards aren't of any interest (just like they aren't for the audience), but he wants his underlings to learn something from this whole event. I guess this proves wrong what I said earlier about Ainz only trying to keep up with the Guardians, even if it's the major source of the humour. But then again, Cocytus isn't exactly any brainiac compared to the likes of Demiurge.

It's quite sad the lizardmen needed to go so all out to defeat the Elder Lich, which is merely something Ainz created. Just like in the beginning of the whole story the single Death Knight created using a random corpse was unstoppable among the humans soldiers. That's some asymmetry of power.

[Ryllharu]

The biggest issue remains that this arc is simply boring. I'm just not engaged on any sort of level with the lizard people.

Every five minutes I wonder if there is something better to be done with my time. Guess what? There usually is, so it takes me 4 hours to watch one of these eps.

[Buffalobiian]

Then shouldn't Mizuchi with the post above mine be removed? I mean he specifically states that he has read ahead and says how long it's gonna be. Where as I am just guessing because I doubt it will go on for that long. Doesn't seem really fair ya know?

I didn't see your original post. I based my thoughts on your feedback. Maybe Bud had other thoughts.

As for the episode itself, I thought the lizardmen will be stomped and made into undead warriors for Ainz's army. This was suggested earlier. I'm kind of disappointed that it doesn't appear to be the case, but also happy Lizard-girl might get a happy end.

[Mizuchi]

Then shouldn't Mizuchi with the post above mine be removed? I mean he specifically states that he has read ahead and says how long it's gonna be. Where as I am just guessing because I doubt it will go on for that long. Doesn't seem really fair ya know?

LOL you're so right bro. That's the power of white privilege I guess.

[Kraco]

As for the episode itself, I thought the lizardmen will be stomped and made into undead warriors for Ainz's army. This was suggested earlier. I'm kind of disappointed that it doesn't appear to be the case, but also happy Lizard-girl might get a happy end.

No, it never looked like that. First of all, what's the point of giving the lizards a warning and time if they were going to be nothing but material for necromancy? Like Demiurge said, Cocytus was given very limited resources and he needed to do something with them. Kind of like when you start playing C&C or similar RTS, during the first missions you have practically no advanced weaponry at your disposal even though your side supposedly has all manner of superweapons tech available. The first missions are there just to teach you a few lessons. As far as Ainz is concerned, the whole lizardmen species only exists to help make Cocytus a better Guardian.

[Munsu]

I guess the Lich didn't get the memo to keep his mouth shut.

[Buffalobiian]

No, it never looked like that. First of all, what's the point of giving the lizards a warning and time if they were going to be nothing but material for necromancy? Like Demiurge said, Cocytus was given very limited resources and he needed to do something with them. Kind of like when you start playing C&C or similar RTS, during the first missions you have practically no advanced weaponry at your disposal even though your side supposedly has all manner of superweapons tech available. The first missions are there just to teach you a few lessons. As far as Ainz is concerned, the whole lizardmen species only exists to help make Cocytus a better Guardian.

Except that's what they said at the beginning. Ainz was supposed to build an army of necro warriors, but someone suggested that using Lizardmen instead of human villagers would get higher level underlings. Then we skip to:

-You're the leader of my army.. then -
-Someone will be observing you, and you'll have limited resources. The last bits came pretty damn quickly when the entire setup was mostly "We need undead army".

[KrayZ33]

Except that's what they said at the beginning. Ainz was supposed to build an army of necro warriors, but someone suggested that using Lizardmen instead of human villagers would get higher level underlings. Then we skip to:

-You're the leader of my army.. then -
-Someone will be observing you, and you'll have limited resources. The last bits came pretty damn quickly when the entire setup was mostly "We need undead army".


When did they say that? I can neither remember such a thing, nor can I find it after rewatching it.

[Kraco]

Except that's what they said at the beginning. Ainz was supposed to build an army of necro warriors, but someone suggested that using Lizardmen instead of human villagers would get higher level underlings. Then we skip to:

-You're the leader of my army.. then -
-Someone will be observing you, and you'll have limited resources. The last bits came pretty damn quickly when the entire setup was mostly "We need undead army".

Hmm... Maybe you are right. Now that you mentioned it, I seem to dimly remember such a thing might have happened. I stand corrected. Still, the main goal most definitely did change along the way. In that end the lizardman corpses would be there either way.

[KrayZ33]

I'm serious, where and when did they say that? I wasn't even 100% sure that Ainz was behind the death-cloud in the first ep.
I was actually expecting for hero-ainz to intervene and get the lizardmen loyality through that.

I mean, if his plan was to get lizardmen-necro warriors, he did a poor job from the very beginning, it made no sense for that to be his plan - at least not for us as a viewer.

[Kraco]

I'm serious, where and when did they say that? I wasn't even 100% sure that Ainz was behind the death-cloud in the first ep.
I was actually expecting for hero-ainz to intervene and get the lizardmen loyality through that.

I mean, if his plan was to get lizardmen-necro warriors, he did a poor job from the very beginning, it made no sense for that to be his plan - at least not for us as a viewer.

Nah, at that point it was already his purpose to teach Cocytus a lesson. I don't remember when it was, but I do seem to remember at some point the lizardmen were mentioned as tougher material than humans. But then again, maybe Bill was just highly convincing and my memories were twisted...

[Buffalobiian]

I'm serious, where and when did they say that? I wasn't even 100% sure that Ainz was behind the death-cloud in the first ep.

Download the second movie and fast forward to the post-Shaltear fight debrief. He states that there's an enemy of Nazarik out there and wishes to create an undead army for protection. Albedo states that humans will only make Undead lvl40 and below, but suggested Ains go wreck the Lizardman village that Aura has found.

It's around 1hr29mins into the movie.

After all that, we got:

-Ainz giving Cocytus an army
-Declaring war on Lizardman
-... teaching Cocytus a lesson?

We saw Demi-thingo teaching Cocytus about how Ainz wants him to learn something. At the same time, we've only seen Cocytus send in troops seemingly haphazardly.

Back when they were all watching Ainz fight Shaltear, Cocytus was the one who had the most insight into their battle. It seems rather strange for Cocytus to suddenly be portrayed as a good warrior but shitty general, and for an entire battle to be dedicated to his training.

[Munsu]

Download the second movie and fast forward to the post-Shaltear fight debrief. He states that there's an enemy of Nazarik out there and wishes to create an undead army for protection. Albedo states that humans will only make Undead lvl40 and below, but suggested Ains go wreck the Lizardman village that Aura has found.

It's around 1hr29mins into the movie.

After all that, we got:

-Ainz giving Cocytus an army
-Declaring war on Lizardman
-... teaching Cocytus a lesson?

We saw Demi-thingo teaching Cocytus about how Ainz wants him to learn something. At the same time, we've only seen Cocytus send in troops seemingly haphazardly.

Back when they were all watching Ainz fight Shaltear, Cocytus was the one who had the most insight into their battle. It seems rather strange for Cocytus to suddenly be portrayed as a good warrior but shitty general, and for an entire battle to be dedicated to his training.

I guess we should go watch the movie then? Assuming those are new scenes... It's been a while since I watched the first season obviously, so I don't recall particular details from it all told.

[KrayZ33]

Didn't watch the movies, I thought they were supposed to be recaps but it seems like they new scenes.


Back when they were all watching Ainz fight Shaltear, Cocytus was the one who had the most insight into their battle. It seems rather strange for Cocytus to suddenly be portrayed as a good warrior but shitty general, and for an entire battle to be dedicated to his training.

Well... the greatest general can't do jackshit if his men are complete garbage.

[Kraco]

And he's not even the greatest general. He's a great fighter himself and can do everything in an honest face to face fight (probably also if he alone was facing multiple opponents), but it doesn't mean he would be a good leader of much humbler underlings. That's a totally separate skillset, which he obviously doesn't possess.

[Buffalobiian]

He can analyse opponents. That much is evident. He didn't become a great warrior by just making himself strong, but he also knows how to read opponents, apply abilities and read the flow of battle. He doesn't have to be the greatest general, but he should at least do something aside from zerg rush.

He didn't show any signs that he even knows the Lizardmen's strengths or weaknesses and how he wanted to exploit them. This episode showed him doing nothing more than say "attack".

Also, I referenced the movies because I had those on hand. The same scene can be found at Episode 13, 18mins 25sec in HorribleSub's releases.

[Kraco]

He can analyse opponents. That much is evident. He didn't become a great warrior by just making himself strong, but he also knows how to read opponents, apply abilities and read the flow of battle. He doesn't have to be the greatest general, but he should at least do something aside from zerg rush.

Um... No. He became a great warrior because a player designed him that way by giving him high stats and skills suitable for a strong warrior, and might have also written in his description that he's that sort of a straightforward bushido like honourable fighter. Since he is a floor Guardian, it makes sense he actually does have underlings, but they are the automatic Nazarick folks, and he most certainly has never needed to make them perform any maneuvers.

[David75]

Thanks for that clarification. So Ains needed to try him in a battle to check his real skills. Provided he does that with all his aids/generals/troops he'll get a picture of the stength of all his allies in this new setting that is different from the game he knew.

[KrayZ33]

He didn't become a great warrior by just making himself strong, but he also knows how to read opponents, apply abilities and read the flow of battle.

It's actually very likely that he became a great warrior by just making him strong during his creation. After all, he's a game character created by a human who needed a warrior - or wanted to create one.
It's not like he fought or had to proof his abilities and became what he is from experience.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not calling him a great warrior because the show says he is. I'm calling him one because the other guys turn to him for analysis of Shaltear vs Ainz.

-He was the one who could tell them Ainz's chances of winning was 30%.
-He was the one who knew when Ainz's victory was decided when Demiuge goes "why, seems 50/50 to me."
-He's the one going through why various weapon choices were/n't viable during that fight.

This guy can fight with his head. He adapts and knows that strength only matters if it is applied at the right time and place.

He didn't use his head once vs Lizardmen as far as I'm concerned. That's my beef with him, but more importantly how this episode portrays him now compared to how they portrayed him in the past.

[Kraco]

Nobody is saying he's not a great warrior. When I said he was made a great warrior, I meant it. He's a floor guardian. When some other guild tried to invade Nazarick, he would have, as an NPC, met them in his own domain. Obviously he was meant to be a tough, boss level fighter.

But that doesn't make him a great general. In fact he does seem to have troubles understanding not everyone is a great warrior like he is himself. He believes that marching head-on to confront the enemy is perfectly valid since, you know, everybody can fight like a monster. When you throw a superior number of monsters against the enemy, it's unfathomable, in his warrior's mind, that his side could still lose. He's a master of 1vs1 fights, but he hasn't got a clue how an army of weak beings vs another army of weak beings would really fare.

[Buffalobiian]

In fact he does seem to have troubles understanding not everyone is a great warrior like he is himself. He believes that marching head-on to confront the enemy is perfectly valid since, you know, everybody can fight like a monster.

That is not true. Again, refer to Ainz vs Shaltear. Cocytus can size up a vampire vs a mage. Neither of those fight the same way he does. He's not incapable of sizing up beings that aren't super warriors. He's not incapable of figuring out what they're good again, and what they're bad against.

We saw no indication of him applying any this, but we know he's capable of it.

What are the chances of a lizard man taking on 2 skeletons? or 3?
And how did he come to that answer? We know he can evaluate:
-elemental weaknesses and strengths.
-weapon/equipment effective ranges and handling
-What about morale? Supposedly he underestimated this, but we've never seen him estimate anything during thsi fight.

Our portrayal of Cocytus has been from guy who others go to for a run-down of combat, to someone who says "charge". We know this guy can do better.

See my earlier post:


He can analyse opponents. That much is evident. He didn't become a great warrior by just making himself strong, but he also knows how to read opponents, apply abilities and read the flow of battle. He doesn't have to be the greatest general, but he should at least do something aside from zerg rush.

[KrayZ33]

He knows how to evaluate opponents he has complete knowledge off...but doesn't gather intelligence himself.
Neither in season 1, nor did he do that now.

Which is exactly what Ainz was trying to change.

I disagree with your statment about us knowing he can do "better".
We haven't seen it yet.
I rewatched the season 1 part just now... and he didn't comment on anything other than "I think his chances are 30/70" (which is 100% based on nothing but combat stats, no preparations included and no knowledge about what Ainz has in his pockets) and "I'd do the same" when Shalltear decided to go all out in a melee.

So far, we've seen very little of him... and he didn't really seem to be the smartest guy in the first place. He had this Samurai Aura from the very beginning. He likes to fight, to measure his strength - to use his strength to overcome horrible odds - that type of character.

[Kraco]

We saw no indication of him applying any this, but we know he's capable of it.


Dunno. To me that sounds like being incapable of. Even if he theoretically knows something but is unable to put it to use, it's the same as being incapable.

He has always seemed more like the if you have guts and give it your all, you can do anything guy than the this seems unlikely to work, so let's go for the plan B kind of guy (which would be, for example, Demiurge or Ainz himself).

[KrayZ33]

episode 4




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Oh man, Ainz, you epic son of a b.
You know how to leave an impression. *thumbs up*

That stuff was epic. Demiurge is awesome too, can't wait to see his fight (from the OP) happening.


lol @ last second before the end.

I really hope this show will include the darker themes of this series too. I've heard that the light novel and webnovel have some really eery scenes in them.

[NeoCybercoin]

See, these are the kind of episodes I expected of this show. Focused on Nazarick and their overwhelming power.

[Kraco]

You know how to leave an impression. *thumbs up*

That stuff was epic.

Yeah, that looked really good. It was splendid to see it animated.

[Munsu]

A step in the right direction, this episode had some great moments in it.

[DarthEnderX]

Binge watched all of this this week. Up to S2E3.

What is going on with this season? It feels like I'm watching Phantom Menace where this series took a sharp inexplicable turn into lizardman politics.

[Kraco]

Episode 5



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They certainly decided not to cut anything from the lizard arc. We even had to suffer through the lizard porn. Now it ought to be over, though. At least not skipping anything ensured the Shalltear chair was included. That was funny already in the novel, but now it was with sound.

[NeoCybercoin]

Shallchair! Gotta love that bit. The same with Albedo's jealousy of that and everyone's praises that only a Guardian would be a fitting replacement as a throne.