Naruto Shippuuden: Episode 329

[Buffalobiian]

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[DarthEnderX]

Aw shit, what a cool fucking episode.

Almost too much shit happening at once.

Naruto unlocking his SSJ2 form, which looked way cooler than his first one.


Like I thought, Tobi was able to pull the Bijuu back into the statue the instant he lost control of them. He's really losing control of this situation though. He needs to hurry up and capture the 8-tails so he can reform the 10-tails cause now it's 2 against 0(actually, 2 against 1 I guess cause the statue itself can fight).

Puppy Kurama! Sooo cute!

I feel bad for Shukaku. He's missing out on all this Bijuu character development!

[David75]

Puppy Kurama is good for merchandising sales...

[DarthEnderX]

Kurama also totally sucks at playing it cool.

Instead of being all "I'm only helping you to help the other Bijuu and because I don't wanna be sealed in that statue" he's like, "I'm only helping cause, like, it's fun watching you fight, and, well, it's not like I have anything better to do..."

Sooo transparent Kurama.

[Kraco]

After that puppy Kurama I'm finding it a lot harder to hope for Kyuubi to remain evil... In fact I've already given up. It was good as long as it lasted, but this is it, I reckon: All the bijuu are already more or less reformed if they had so much fun with the original sage and now they see the same in Naruto.

[DarthEnderX]

After that puppy Kurama I'm finding it a lot harder to hope for Kyuubi to remain evil... In fact I've already given up. It was good as long as it lasted, but this is it, I reckon: All the bijuu are already more or less reformed if they had so much fun with the original sage and now they see the same in Naruto.Well duh. Even without the baby bijuu scene, it was obvious Kurama's days of being an antagonist were over the minute he held out his fist to Naruto.

I would have preferred if he'd stayed more hostile, but became a willing ally out of a greater hatred for the various Uchihas, but I feel that they built up the change sufficiently enough that it didn't feel unearned at least.


I'm kinda curious exactly how the Bijuu's lives were with the SotSP exactly.

The backstory as it was previously presented gave the impression that the SotSP was just the Ten-tail's Jinchuuriki, then, right before he died, he used it to created the other Bijuu.

But the new flashback gives the impression that they all knew the Sage and were at least fond of him.


So the question becomes, did the Sage make friends with the Ten-tails while it was inside him, and it's feelings were imparted into the Bijuu? Or did he split the Ten-tails into parts while it was still inside him, and just served as the Jinchuuriki of all 9 Bijuu(and if so, that seems like a potential final power-up for Naruto at the climax of the series).

[Buffalobiian]

Puppy Kurama is good for merchandising sales...

NEED ONE WHERE






Pretty cool episode. All the other guys seem to be getting along with their tailed beasts. The 2-tails also transformed into her beast mode before Akatsuki captured her.. so was Kurama the only odd one out who got all the shitty controllers? If Kurama could talk with the others in the plane, then they should all know about Killer Bee at the very least and realise that not all humans are shitty.

Anyways, where's that damn plushie Kurama? |:<

[DarthEnderX]

All the other guys seem to be getting along with their tailed beasts. The 2-tails also transformed into her beast mode before Akatsuki captured her.. so was Kurama the only odd one out who got all the shitty controllers?Actually, I think they straight up said that they all JUST made friends with their Bijuu after what Four-tails told them about Naruto(they said it at about 17:45).

They made it quite clear that the Four-tails and his Jinchuuriki had NOT been friends, and only made up 10 seconds before they got pulled back into the statue. It seems like it was the same for all of them.


If Kurama could talk with the others in the plane, then they should all know about Killer Bee at the very least and realise that not all humans are shitty.I don't think Kurama could talk to them until Naruto linked them.

The others all seemed to be in the same place because they're linked through the statue. So while they could talk to each other, they couldn't talk to Gyuki or Kurama.

[Buffalobiian]

Actually, I think they straight up said that they all JUST made friends with their Bijuu after what Four-tails told them about Naruto.

You're probably right. They did something right before Naruto came along. I didn't really understand what though. Must have been the make-up thing.

Still, the fact that the 2-tails could transform into beast-mode meant that she was completely in tune with her beast, right? Or is that something like Naruto's SSJ mode (where he took Kurama's power without permission)?

[DarthEnderX]

I thought it was interesting how much more powerful Kurama is than the other Bijuu. When he's not fucking around he can go head to head with 5 at once, even Gyuki is surprised as his strength.

And that's only HALF his original power!


Still, the fact that the 2-tails could transform into beast-mode meant that she was completely in tune with her beast, right? Or is that something like Naruto's SSJ mode (where he took Kurama's power without permission)?I think it depends on their individual seals. Remember that Gaara could go full beast mode and he wasn't in tune with Shukaku AT ALL.

Although I think you're right about 2-tails. She's from the same village as Bee, likely uses the same type of seal, and also probably had access to the same waterfall/training chamber that Bee did.

[David75]

NEED ONE WHERE






Pretty cool episode. All the other guys seem to be getting along with their tailed beasts. The 2-tails also transformed into her beast mode before Akatsuki captured her.. so was Kurama the only odd one out who got all the shitty controllers? If Kurama could talk with the others in the plane, then they should all know about Killer Bee at the very least and realise that not all humans are shitty.

Anyways, where's that damn plushie Kurama? |:<

Too late :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-KYUUBI-Kurama-PLUSH-Stuffed-doll-13-Nine-tailed-demon-fox-NARUTO-/181122654882?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2bc062a2&nma=true&si=tO1AWKFGGt%252FideHOCTrAQL6trOg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[Shadow Skill]

So... are they hinting at or trying to say Naruto is the SotsP incarnate/reincarnate?

Best episode in a long effing time.

[UChessmaster]

Too late :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-KYUUBI-Kurama-PLUSH-Stuffed-doll-13-Nine-tailed-demon-fox-NARUTO-/181122654882?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2bc062a2&nma=true&si=tO1AWKFGGt%252FideHOCTrAQL6trOg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

125 dollars? what the actual fuck?

[DarthEnderX]

I like how much he just makes casual clever use of his clones these days.

Need to use the powers of Tailed Beast mode and Sage mode at the same time? Just make a clone!

Although, I'm not really sure why he can't just use both at the same time in the first place(which is what I originally thought his glowy form was).


So... are they hinting at or trying to say Naruto is the SotsP incarnate/reincarnate?Blatantly so I'd say. Or at the very least, the Inheritor of his Will.

[Kraco]

I like how much he just makes casual clever use of his clones these days.

Need to use the powers of Tailed Beast mode and Sage mode at the same time? Just make a clone!

It was a long road from his early days when he annoyed the hell out of the audience by uselessly spamming shadow clones that weren't still worth anything except against useless opponents. Nowadays he's actually using shadow clones like they are supposed to be used, and it's finally making sense why it was considered a secret, powerful technique.

[David75]

125 dollars? what the actual fuck?

Just someone with some sewing machine and skill trying to benefit from fans...
And there's 15 dollars for shipping too...

[DB_Hunter]

If both Hachibi and Kyuubi are now reformed characters, why are they still kept imprisoned within Jinchuurikis? Should they not be released and then fight side by side with Bee and Naruto if they truly are allies? Unless there is some BS reason like Tobi/Madara being able to control/summon the beasts instantly if they are free from hosts..

[Buffalobiian]

If both Hachibi and Kyuubi are now reformed characters, why are they still kept imprisoned within Jinchuurikis? Should they not be released and then fight side by side with Bee and Naruto if they truly are allies? Unless there is some BS reason like Tobi/Madara being able to control/summon the beasts instantly if they are free from hosts..

Perhaps releasing them like that kills the host.

[DarthEnderX]

Unless there is some BS reason like Tobi/Madara being able to control/summon the beasts instantly if they are free from hosts..What do you mean unless?

We KNOW that's the case. Madara and Tobi can both summon the Kyuubi at will, and anyone with a Sharingan can apparently mind-control them.


I think they also said at one point that the control that a Jinchuuriki has over their powers actually makes them more dangerous than when they're just running rampant.

And I think this week kind of proves that point. Normally, when a Jinchuuriki goes full beast mode, they just look like the Bijuu naturally looks. But in this latest form of Naruto's, not only is he all runed up a glowy, but Kurama is as well.

It gives the impression that their combined form is actually MORE powerful than Kurama would be if he was simply free.

[DB_Hunter]

I don't think releasing them of without the use of force would kill the host. In Naruto's case, it is a simple matter of opening the seal which would release Kurama's chakra and let him leave the host body.

In terms of being controlled by the Sharingan when outside, the hypnosis seems to be a kind of genjutsu which I don't see why it can't be dispelled like a regular genjutsu when working with a partner who can jolt you out of it by providing a chakra burst in to your system. As for the summons, if you can't control the beast then I don't think the summon is going to be useful for you.

Besides, a summon would indicate a contract which if the Kyuubi doesn't want can't be useful given that it seems the only Kyuubi agreed to the contract was under genjutsu/by force.

I don't recall it being said that a jinchuuriki enhances the power of the bijuu, do you have a reference for that?

It seems to me that this isn't even actually full beast mode but a weaker form. Remember Naruto only has access to half Kyuubi's chakara and perhaps if he had it all he would be able to transform in to the full solid beast. Bee, who has also taken control of Hachibi's power, doesn't have a glowing mode and that would indicate to me he just jumps straight to the full transformation.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't think releasing them of without the use of force would kill the host. In Naruto's case, it is a simple matter of opening the seal which would release Kurama's chakra and let him leave the host body.

Now that you say that, I can't remember at all hearing Kurama talking about leaving Naruto's body even when he was malicious. He was always about taking control of the body (and then just going beast mode). Maybe it just assumed that it could self-release the seal.. but then his having control would indicate that he was already free..

[DB_Hunter]

I think the issue was one of priorities for Kurama. He couldn't even get a bit of chakra out without Naruto getting emotional and thus vulnerable to being manipulated by him, but even then that was Naruto being emotional and mentally weak by drawing upon Kurama's chakra. In this context, escaping was out of the question as priority number one was to get around the seal by having Naruto draw upon his power so the task was to get Naruto to do this. Once this was done and Kurama could get more and more of his chakra out he may have tried to break free.

[DarthEnderX]

In terms of being controlled by the Sharingan when outside, the hypnosis seems to be a kind of genjutsu which I don't see why it can't be dispelled like a regular genjutsu when working with a partner who can jolt you out of it by providing a chakra burst in to your system.If all you had to do was touch it and inject some chakra into it, it wouldn't be the disaster that it was when Madara and Tobi took control of it.


As for the summons, if you can't control the beast then I don't think the summon is going to be useful for you.It does if all you care about is stuffing it into the statue and you're Tobi.

Step 1. Teleport someplace 100 miles away.

Step 2. Summon the Nine-tails.

Step 3. Sharingan him and seal him in the statue.


Besides, a summon would indicate a contract which if the Kyuubi doesn't want can't be useful given that it seems the only Kyuubi agreed to the contract was under genjutsu/by force.That is making a huge assumption. Tailed Beasts aren't Animal Summons. We don't know if the same rules apply to them.

It's also irrelevant because if there is a contract, Tobi already has it because he summoned the Nine-tails back when he fought the 4th.


I don't recall it being said that a jinchuuriki enhances the power of the bijuu, do you have a reference for that?I thought it was said by Diedara and Tobi after they defeated the 3-tails. But most of that arc was filler, so I'm not sure.

EDIT: Found it (http://www.mangapanda.com/93-323-12/naruto/chapter-318.html)


It seems to me that this isn't even actually full beast mode but a weaker form. Remember Naruto only has access to half Kyuubi's chakara and perhaps if he had it all he would be able to transform in to the full solid beast. Bee, who has also taken control of Hachibi's power, doesn't have a glowing mode and that would indicate to me he just jumps straight to the full transformation.I disagree.

Bee and Naruto aren't the same. Even though Bee controls Gyuki's power, his chakra cloak is exactly the same as every other Jinchuuriki's chakra cloak mode. Even though he supposedly has full control and cooperation, his cloak is still blood red, burns shit that it touches, and doesn't react to the wood style or give him the ability to sense hostility, just like Naruto's was before he defeated Kurama.

For whatever reason, Naruto's transformation is completely different from the other Jinchuuriki's(because he's the Six Path's reincarnation or some shit). And for whatever reason, now that they are teamed up, that transformation is being extended to Kurama's beast mode.

[Buffalobiian]

You can argue that Naruto can sense evil intent because Kurama is supposed to be the embodiment of evil/hatred or whatever.

[Kraco]

You can argue that Naruto can sense evil intent because Kurama is supposed to be the embodiment of evil/hatred or whatever.

The latest episodes have very effectively removed that option.

[DarthEnderX]

The latest episodes have very effectively removed that option.Exactly. At this point, it's obvious that that's merely propaganda.

[DB_Hunter]

If all you had to do was touch it and inject some chakra into it, it wouldn't be the disaster that it was when Madara and Tobi took control of it.

Maybe it was a disaster previously because even when you freed Kyuubi from control it would still go on a rampage fuelled by its own hatred, as it did against Konoha when Tobi was defeated by Minato. Now Kurama is an ally so that shouldn't be a factor.


It does if all you care about is stuffing it into the statue and you're Tobi.

Step 1. Teleport someplace 100 miles away.

Step 2. Summon the Nine-tails.

Step 3. Sharingan him and seal him in the statue.

Fair point. Though I think if Naruto could learn his dad's teleportation technique then he could overcome it but that's just n


That is making a huge assumption. Tailed Beasts aren't Animal Summons. We don't know if the same rules apply to them.

It's also irrelevant because if there is a contract, Tobi already has it because he summoned the Nine-tails back when he fought the 4th.

We don't know the rules of any contract so any comments on them are going to be assumptions. My point is about attempting to break the contract as when it was originally made it might have been done by force, hence being invalid.


I thought it was said by Diedara and Tobi after they defeated the 3-tails. But most of that arc was filler, so I'm not sure.

EDIT: Found it (http://www.mangapanda.com/93-323-12/naruto/chapter-318.html)

The assumption Deidara is making is that the Bijuu don't have minds, which as we have now seen is clearly false. So I would categorise this as non-applicable.


I disagree.

Bee and Naruto aren't the same. Even though Bee controls Gyuki's power, his chakra cloak is exactly the same as every other Jinchuuriki's chakra cloak mode. Even though he supposedly has full control and cooperation, his cloak is still blood red, burns shit that it touches, and doesn't react to the wood style or give him the ability to sense hostility, just like Naruto's was before he defeated Kurama.

For whatever reason, Naruto's transformation is completely different from the other Jinchuuriki's(because he's the Six Path's reincarnation or some shit). And for whatever reason, now that they are teamed up, that transformation is being extended to Kurama's beast mode.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this as it can't be resolved until there is further comment on this from the series/manga itself.

[DarthEnderX]

Maybe it was a disaster previously because even when you freed Kyuubi from control it would still go on a rampage fuelled by its own hatred, as it did against Konoha when Tobi was defeated by Minato. Now Kurama is an ally so that shouldn't be a factor.True.


The assumption Deidara is making is that the Bijuu don't have minds, which as we have now seen is clearly false. So I would categorise this as non-applicable.The reasoning behind it may have been false, but he still obviously believes that the 3-tails was an easier battle than it would have been if it'd had a Jinchuuriki. Which is a conclusion I can only assume he is able to draw because the 3-tails was easier to defeat than Gaara was.

When he says they lack a mind, I think he's mostly talking about them being stupid. Which...they kinda are. Or at the very least, unskilled. They have a huge amount of power, but outside of just generic blasts of power, none of them seem to know how to do any kind of Jutsu.

The kind of versatility that a skilled Jinchuuriki, using the Bijuu's power to shape a variety of Jutsu, provides can likely make them more dangerous to hunt than the beasts in the wild.


I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this as it can't be resolved until there is further comment on this from the series/manga itself.Fair enough.

[DarthEnderX]

So after watching this episode again, I noticed a couple extra details that made me lol.

1. Baby 7-tails is a catarpillar.

2. When Naruto's transformation ends, his jacket magically zips itself back up.

[Penner]

Damn, i haven't watched any Naruto for SO fucking long, how long ago did the "zombie war" end? is some awesome shit happening?

Like, the last episode i watched was nr 261 lol, so i might just have myself a bit of a Naruto marathon soon.

I will skip all the filler episodes though, and if i use this site (http://www.narutohq.com/naruto-shippuden-fillers.php) as a guide, that apparently leaves me with 34 non-filler episodes to watch.

[DarthEnderX]

Damn, i haven't watched any Naruto for SO fucking long, how long ago did the "zombie war" end? It didn't. We're still in the middle of it.


is some awesome shit happening?Yes.

[Penner]

Well sheeeeit, haven't watched it in over a year and they're still in the zombie wars... i guess that's what happens when its like 50% filler eps lol

[DarthEnderX]

Well sheeeeit, haven't watched it in over a year and they're still in the zombie wars... i guess that's what happens when its like 50% filler eps lolWell, presumably, this arc is still going on in the manga, which is like 100 chapters ahead.

I guess this is Naruto's Namek.

[Kraco]

Depending on whether Sasuke and Naruto fight for good in this arc, couldn't this be the last arc of the whole story? Otherwise I guess there would be the single final arc reserved for that confrontation. Unless the manga doesn't know when to end.

[DarthEnderX]

Depending on whether Sasuke and Naruto fight for good in this arc, couldn't this be the last arc of the whole story? Otherwise I guess there would be the single final arc reserved for that confrontation. Unless the manga doesn't know when to end.I've heard that this is supposed to be the last arc.

Personally, I hope that the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke is almost, like, an epilogue thing.

Like this is the big war for the fate of the word, and in the end, Sasuke is the only antagonist that's not dead/deafeated at the end of the arc, and then it just skips to like 5 years laters, and Naruto is Hokage and he's just facing off against Sasuke at the Valley of the End. And it's just the First Vs. Madara all over again.


That's basically my prediction for the rest of the series.

1. Itachi beats Kabuto, releases Edo Tensei, which gets rid of himself, Madara, and all the other reanimations.

2. Tobi captures Bee, pulls the 8-tails in the statue, uses the Gold/Silver brothers as a substitute for Kurama, and awakens the 10-tails. Then becomes the 10-tails Jinchuuriki.

3. Naruto defeats Tobi, most likely by engaging in a "inner battle" with him where he pulls the Bijuu out of Tobi and into himself one at a time. War's over.

4. Years later, Naruto fights Sasuke for the fate of the village. Naruto is the Jinchuuriki of all 9 Bijuu now, Sasuke has the Rinnegan, etc.

I really wanted Naruto to, at some point, find a way to free his dad and the other Hokage's spirits as well as the other half of Kurama's chakra from the Death God's stomach, but if this really is the last arc, I don't know when he'd find the time to do that.

[Buffalobiian]

Where does Sakura come in all this? Does she cry over Sasuke's grave? Or does Naruto die while saving Sasuke from his hatred (his one final deed to fulfil his promise of ridding the world of hatred), and then Sakura looks on Naruto's grave instead but doesn't fuck Sasuke because she finally decides that he's not that great after all.

If Naruto dies, he'll release all 9 beasts before he does. They go their own way, but somewhere down the track Konohamaru tracks down Kurama and challenges him to a fight.

[DarthEnderX]

I actually didn't have any real prediction for how that Naruto/Sasuke fight would end. In keeping with the theme of the series, Naruto would probably beat him, then talk him out of his ways.

The twist would of course be them both dying like Naruto said.

Or they could do the usual unsatisfying anime thing and have it end without showing us the outcome.


But no matter what happens, it's safe to say Sakura will be useless.

[Kraco]

But no matter what happens, it's safe to say Sakura will be useless.

It would be far better if she was useless than the other alternative which might be interfering with the fight by suddenly preventing Naruto from landing a decisive blow, and in exchange allowing Sasuke to successfully counterattack, perhaps damaging both Sakura and Naruto. Unfortunately I can't trust this story enough to stop myself from imaging such a nasty scene.

[DarthEnderX]

I mean, I guess it's not really fair to call her useless. She's the White Mage. Which is a perfectly useful and noble character to be, but makes you pretty much useless in terms of influencing the plot.