Movie: Pacific Rim

[Illrenmazou]

Its screening is only less than two months away but there's no thread in sight. Let's fix that.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA92Rw6kNWw

Charlie Hunnam as Raleigh Becket
Ron Perlman as Hannibal Chau
Idris Elba as Stacker Pentecost
Charlie Day as Dr. Newton Geiszler
Rinko Kikuchi as Mako Mori
Ellen McLain as Jaeger Computer Voice

Written by: Guillermo del Toro, Travis Beacham, and Drew Pearce.
Directed by: Guillermo del Toro

With del Toro at the helm, I'm quite confident that this will be the best mecha movie made outside Japan.

[Animeniax]

Giant robots fighting giant monsters! It's like the 80s and 90s are making a comeback.

One weird thing I noticed, both guys controlling the suits seemed to do everything in unison, which is weird since aren't they each controlling their own suit?

[Illrenmazou]

Piloting a 2,500 ton robot is too much to bear for a single pilot. So a pair of pilots who are locked in a neural bridge and must move in tandem to control one. This is also the reason why people who share the same history like siblings, twins, parent and child, or couples are chosen as pilots for optimum synchronicity.

The exception to this is the Crimson Typhoon which is piloted by triplets for extra control of the third arm, and the Coyote Tango which is piloted by a single person because its one of the early models(and also the most under performing).

Here are the posters(which somehow look like model kit boxes) of the five main Jaegers of the movie.
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_45199_491391804260455_219197334_n.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/45199_491391804260455_219197334_n.jpg.html) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_903423_489831421083160_164850505_o.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/903423_489831421083160_164850505_o.jpg.html) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_894531_491102397622729_943584494_o.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/894531_491102397622729_943584494_o.jpg.html) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_892981_490718074327828_1043897685_o.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/892981_490718074327828_1043897685_o.jpg.html) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_892866_490228147710154_358309707_o.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/892866_490228147710154_358309707_o.jpg.html)

[Kraco]

It looks good, and not too goofy either. Based on those mecha in Illrenmazou's post, it looks like the economic collapse in Europe is so bad the countries here couldn't fund a mecha even if our survival depended on it. So realistic it's sad.

[Sapphire]

Piloting a 2,500 ton robot is too much to bear for a single pilot. So a pair of pilots who are locked in a neural bridge and must move in tandem to control one. This is also the reason why people who share the same history like siblings, twins, parent and child, or couples are chosen as pilots for optimum synchronicity.

The exception to this is the Crimson Typhoon which is piloted by triplets for extra control of the third arm, and the Coyote Tango which is piloted by a single person because its one of the early models(and also the most under performing).

Here are the posters(which somehow look like model kit boxes) of the five main Jaegers of the movie.
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_45199_491391804260455_219197334_n.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/45199_491391804260455_219197334_n.jpg.html) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_903423_489831421083160_164850505_o.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/903423_489831421083160_164850505_o.jpg.html) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_894531_491102397622729_943584494_o.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/894531_491102397622729_943584494_o.jpg.html) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_892981_490718074327828_1043897685_o.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/892981_490718074327828_1043897685_o.jpg.html) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_892866_490228147710154_358309707_o.jpg (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/Bani_Morauta/media/892866_490228147710154_358309707_o.jpg.html)

Oh wow. The level of thought that went into this (much more than the typical neural link = naked orgasm) is freakin' AWESOME.

[Carnage]

It looks good, and not too goofy either. Based on those mecha in Illrenmazou's post, it looks like the economic collapse in Europe is so bad the countries here couldn't fund a mecha even if our survival depended on it. So realistic it's sad.

Don't worry, maybe you guys'll get a gun or two....

[Animeniax]

It looks good, and not too goofy either. Based on those mecha in Illrenmazou's post, it looks like the economic collapse in Europe is so bad the countries here couldn't fund a mecha even if our survival depended on it. So realistic it's sad.

Thinking about it a minute, the countries that own these bots all surround the Pacific ocean, hence Pacific Rim. It's nothing to insult Europe about, there's plenty of other things for that.


Oh wow. The level of thought that went into this (much more than the typical neural link = naked orgasm) is freakin' AWESOME.It is a pretty great post. Thanks Illrenmazou.


Here are the posters(which somehow look like model kit boxes) of the five main Jaegers of the movie.


Yeah that's a clever way to promote the movie by making them look like model kits.

I think the Japanese Jaeger needs bigger guns and the Russian one needs a hammer and sickle, though it's right hand does look vaguely hammerish.

[Kraco]

Thinking about it a minute, the countries that own these bots all surround the Pacific ocean, hence Pacific Rim. It's nothing to insult Europe about, there's plenty of other things for that.

Yeah. I wasn't altogether serious, especially since I had just before posting read the description telling the movie is about monsters emerging from the Pacific Ocean.

[Animeniax]

Yeah. I wasn't altogether serious, especially since I had just before posting read the description telling the movie is about monsters emerging from the Pacific Ocean.

I didn't notice it at first until I saw that Australia has one, at which point I wondered why they would have one and not some other more powerful countries/unions.

[Illrenmazou]

It’s also interesting to note that the Aussie bot is the strongest Jaeger of the bunch.

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_901792_491838864215749_1459149552_o.jpg (http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/901792_491838864215749_1459149552_o.jpg?t=13685434 87) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_904583_491838800882422_111068937_o.jpg (http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/904583_491838800882422_111068937_o.jpg?t=136854350 3) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_883097_491838867549082_1824354483_o.jpg (http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/883097_491838867549082_1824354483_o.jpg?t=13685435 22) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_903143_491838814215754_960176155_o.jpg (http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/903143_491838814215754_960176155_o.jpg?t=136854349 4) http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/th_882572_491838794215756_295233739_o.jpg (http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i457/Bani_Morauta/882572_491838794215756_295233739_o.jpg?t=136854351 1)

And Japan having the weakest is really laughable considering they kick started the mecha genre.

[darkshadow]

Seems eureka is a fking beast, those are SNK boss syndrome stats.

[Animeniax]

Yeah that doesn't seem right. Typically having more speed means less power or less armor, or strength in one area means weakness in others. Is the movie based in Australia with Australian heroes? Charlie Hunnam has a pretty heavy Brit accent that could be tweaked to Aussie.

The PR wiki says it is the latest model but also has the most kills.


And Japan having the weakest is really laughable considering they kick started the mecha genre.That's particularly bad since of all the countries Japan is most likely to actually have real world giant robots being constructed right now.

[Kraco]

That's particularly bad since of all the countries Japan is most likely to actually have real world giant robots being constructed right now.

That doesn't really matter. Even if they did, the USA would have twice as strong a robot in short order if there was any weapon potential in the design. Europe would have a fifty percent better robot - but that wouldn't help much because Europe would run out of money before more than 50% was finished, haha. Australia has the strongest one because they stole all the best parts from the others and combined them into a super robot. You know those Australians.

[Buffalobiian]

We eat deadly animals for breakfast. Pacific or w/e.

[Animeniax]

That doesn't really matter. Even if they did, the USA would have twice as strong a robot in short order if there was any weapon potential in the design. Europe would have a fifty percent better robot - but that wouldn't help much because Europe would run out of money before more than 50% was finished, haha. Australia has the strongest one because they stole all the best parts from the others and combined them into a super robot. You know those Australians.

I think US military might is overrated. The Japanese are doing the smart thing. They're letting the US spend billions of dollars to protect and shield them, meanwhile using the money they save to develop secret projects like giant robots.

You're pretty hard on the Euros and Aussies :D.

[Sapphire]

You guys should check out the other movies that the heroine of this movie, Rinko Kikuchi, is in. She is REALLY good at playing the crazy biatch role (Brothers Bloom, Babel, etc.). She didn't even say a WORD those two roles too, which is insane. I think this shows her awesome fearlessness in committing to a role and owning it.

There is also a blatant vagina shot of her in Babel, which I'm sure degenerate pervs like Ani/Buff/Kraco/everyone on this board will take well to.

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PR Wiki (http://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/Coyote_Tango) also says the Japanese Jaeger is the oldest one in service, which you could spin to mean that Japan was one of the fastest to develop a prototype to save the world!

A comic (http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Rim-Tales-Legendary-Comics/dp/0785153942) is coming out soon.

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When does this movie come out again?! What I really, really want to know is how society reacted to this and how they fare now, as well as the economic and political implications of this. Society after a disaster is fascinating.

[Animeniax]

I didn't realize it's the same girl from Babel. She isn't too appealing in that, and all you see of her in that one scene is bush.

That's cool that Japan had the first Jaeger. Still, considering how they like to update technology you'd think they'd have a newer model available.

[Illrenmazou]

That's cool that Japan had the first Jaeger. Still, considering how they like to update technology you'd think they'd have a newer model available.
Uhh... about that:



7Jaegers appear "active" in the film and 2 more "passive" or as BG but 4 get big screen action. 7 kaijus do battle, and four more appear in archival footage or as remains. Plus two king of Aliens.

Coyote is built in America but stationed in Japan. The Japanese solo Jaeger Tacit Ronin appears in doco footage.

G


del Toro himself posts in this fan made forum to answer questions and clarifications.
source: http://www.deltorofilms.com/wp/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=609&p=16733&hilit=tacit+ronin#p16733

-The Tacit Ronin is stationed in South America with the Chilean Jaeger Diablo Intercept
-The Jaeger in the cover of the Graphic novel is called Horizon Brave
-The one in the victory parade is the Romeo Blue

BTW, the video in the opening post is second trailer. Here is the first one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A85EtOalcsM

And there's a 1.5! This one was shown during the CES Qualcomn 2013. It's just the first one but with more footage


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krbWBs0x5eQ

A third trailer was shown on Hero Complex Film Fest. Those who saw it said it was glorious and at the same time spoiler-ish.

[Animeniax]

It's weird then that the box art labels Coyote Tango as the "Giant Japanese Techno-Tyrant" if it's made in America and controlled by Americans. Or is it Japanese design, constructed in America, like some of their cars?

Or is it that the movie mirrors real life where the US defends Japan militarily? In our world where we only defend against potential dangers, this is a fine arrangement. But in a world with real threats from sea monsters, it doesn't make sense that the Japanese wouldn't have their own Jaeger.

[Sapphire]

It's weird then that the box art labels Coyote Tango as the "Giant Japanese Techno-Tyrant" if it's made in America and controlled by Americans. Or is it Japanese design, constructed in America, like some of their cars?

Or is it that the movie mirrors real life where the US defends Japan militarily? In our world where we only defend against potential dangers, this is a fine arrangement. But in a world with real threats from sea monsters, it doesn't make sense that the Japanese wouldn't have their own Jaeger.

Yeah, these are the questions I have, too.

We also don't know how much the infrastructures of these Pacific Rim nations were destroyed, so that may account for who builds what.

But why don't we see contributions from other countries?! Politics aside, it seems more like a "world" threat than something localized lol.

[Buffalobiian]

Yeah, these are the questions I have, too.

We also don't know how much the infrastructures of these Pacific Rim nations were destroyed, so that may account for who builds what.

But why don't we see contributions from other countries?! Politics aside, it seems more like a "world" threat than something localized lol.

Because pacific countries may rather you help in other ways rather than set up a military base on their doorstep.

[Sapphire]

That makes sense. So you think the Pacific countries build/control the mechas, but other countries contribute in other ways?

How does that politically make sense, though? Seems like you'd develop an (SPOILER) Ender's Game (/SPOILER) situation where after the threat, you now have only a FEW specific countries with INSANELY powerful weapons. Can you imagine the aftermath of that?

Despite the monsters coming from the Pacific, the threat to me still seems like it would be world-wide. Rather dumb if the Pacific countries were like, "OUR region, OUR problem, don't need your mechas".

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Edit: One solution would be that the countries agree to destroy their own Jaegars and strap them for parts after the threat is defeated. But I doubt the viability of that since what incentive would a country have to do that, and when has a country ever done that? (Plus it's simply cost-saavy to save the Jaegar's in case the Kaiju come back (or something worse comes along)).

There was this sci-fi story about a hoard of monsters that invaded Earth. The humans managed to defeat them, but the monsters that came in were basically running away from even bigger monsters that were on their way to invade/colonize Earth too... :o

[Buffalobiian]

I would suggest that the parties responsible for building the machine all have some sort of kill-switch/authorisation power to the machine, such that it could never be used against them.

[Animeniax]

The robot suits are controlled by 2 guys in a command center, so it would be hard for them to conquer nations with the robot since they are not actually in the suit, but vulnerable in a control room.

I don't think the Jaegers are such awesome weapons that they'd need to be destroyed, any more than nuclear weapons. The Jaegers seem to have limited fire power and mobility. They might be highly effective against giant sea monsters, but even mobile suits in Gundam were readily shot down and destroyed, and they were much more mobile.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't think the Jaegers are such awesome weapons that they'd need to be destroyed, any more than nuclear weapons.

The thing keeping nuclear weapons in check is mutual annihilation. That doesn't apply to Jaegers.

I didn't realise the two pilots were in a control centre though. I thought they were pilotting inside. All we need now is an RF-jamming Kaiju.

[Animeniax]

The thing keeping nuclear weapons in check is mutual annihilation. That doesn't apply to Jaegers.

I didn't realise the two pilots were in a control centre though. I thought they were pilotting inside. All we need now is an RF-jamming Kaiju.

That's what I'm saying, Jaegers aren't such powerful weapons that they need to be held in check after they've served their purpose, any more than an advanced tank or jet or even a nuclear weapon. Nukes are even more powerful than Jaegers as far as I can tell, yet we haven't disarmed them, so there is no need to dismantle Jaegers after they fight off the kaiju.

[Illrenmazou]

I didn't realise the two pilots were in a control centre though. I thought they were pilotting inside. All we need now is an RF-jamming Kaiju.
But they were piloting it from the inside. You can see Charlie Hunnam's character walking out of his fallen Jaeger in the trailer

[Kraco]

Giant biped robots would have little value in a war between human nations. They might serve a role in fighting giant monsters, but that's it military wise. They would be far too easy targets for any heavy weaponry, from cannons to missiles. Low profile quadrupedal or hexapod designs might serve as all-terrain platforms in a realistic setting, to go where normal tanks and APCs can't.

So, I wouldn't be worried about their fates after the monsters are gone.

[shinta|hikari]

If that is the case, why didn't they just use the same heavy weaponry to defeat the giant monsters?

If it was because the monsters are too tough to be damaged by such weapons, the same should apply to the robots. They hit each other after all.

[Kraco]

If that is the case, why didn't they just use the same heavy weaponry to defeat the giant monsters?

If it was because the monsters are too tough to be damaged by such weapons, the same should apply to the robots. They hit each other after all.

Because this is a giant robot movie... It would probably be too much to hope for that they would have come up with a reasonable explanation. But then again, after all the anime with mecha, it's not like I'd anymore be expecting one. But you never know. The movie might surprise and reveal some condition about those slimy monsters that only a close contact with an equally huge robot can satisfy. However, nothing suggests the monsters possess anything resembling modern weaponry, so the robots have no need to be resistant against such (nor could they be, unless they incorporate some really light but uber tough outer shell material not known to mankind presently). Most likely they just need to resist blunt force trauma, biting, and some pressure.

[Illrenmazou]

If that is the case, why didn't they just use the same heavy weaponry to defeat the giant monsters?


On that origin, he explained that ”The Kaiju are created as perfect traps. They’re not carbon-based organisms. They’re silicon-based organisms. It takes a while to figure out something that is not carbon-based. They decompose and release an agent called Kaiju Blue that completely destroys the cities, makes air impossible to breathe and their blood is completely acidic.”
http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/10/16/pacific-rim-director-del-toro-on-legendarys-prequel-comic/

I guess the want to kill the monster through bunt force trauma. The projectiles and bladed weapons should only be used as last resort weapons.

[Buffalobiian]

But they were piloting it from the inside. You can see Charlie Hunnam's character walking out of his fallen Jaeger in the trailer

So they pilot from the inside now? Damn, make up your mind people! >_>
I'll go with what you said though.

lol at silicon-based monsters that come from the ocean that require giant robots to beat. Let's hope it doesn't turn out like Fafner.

This better not be a movie where I have to read an entire backstory of comics before watching. I just want to go in blank.

[Sapphire]

Isn't that what they were saying? Could have been a ploy to sell the comic, though.

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That said, I'm pretty sure I remember people in fighter planes shooting the crap out of Kaiju in the trailer. What's up with that?

Also, it's kinda ridiculous that the way they bleed AND decompose is totally poison! That's total massacre! Crazy that people even figured out how to beat them (though I'm sure anime helped >_>).

[Buffalobiian]

That said, I'm pretty sure I remember people in fighter planes shooting the crap out of Kaiju in the trailer. What's up with that?

You need futile conventional weaponry at the beginning of each battle to:

1) show how useless planes are, and how strong the mecha is
2) give the monster something to kill to show how evil it is
3) prime the audience with explosion sounds to feel how intense it is

If NERV never learned against the Angels, we shouldn't either.


Isn't that what they were saying? Could have been a ploy to sell the comic, though.

Who is they, and saying what? That you need to read, or that you don't?

[Sapphire]

You need futile conventional weaponry at the beginning of each battle to:

1) show how useless planes are, and how strong the mecha is
2) give the monster something to kill to show how evil it is
3) prime the audience with explosion sounds to feel how intense it is

If NERV never learned against the Angels, we shouldn't either.

lololol @ everything you wrote

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Comic Preview Pages (http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/first-look-pacific-rim-prequel-comic-book-tales-year-zero)

I feel like I read somewhere that the comic is a "must read for movie," but that could have just been the publisher trying to get you to buy it. I'll link where I saw it if I find it!

[Kraco]

I would find it incredibly strange if you needed to read some material beforehand in order to understand a Hollywood action movie. In fact I doubt the producers would ever green-light such a script in the first place. The reverse order of creating a market for supplementary merchandise would of course be highly desirable for the studios.

[Sapphire]

Right, but the average audience could probably get by without knowing the sort of details we'd like to know.

[Illrenmazou]

Trailer #3


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5guMumPFBag

[Sapphire]

Sweet! Looks like we got way more footage in this one.

BTW, and SPOILER alert but:


THREE Jaegers have blade-like melee weapons. TWO are knife / sword like since their ammo takes a while to reload or are impossible to reload amidst the battle (rockets).
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The first monster took VERY long to stop and the material / human loss was huge. Kaijus targeted populated areas (no more- spoilers) and vector weapons (missiles, tanks) etc took too long to react against the kaiju's ever-changing strategy.

The first few Kaijus were stopped in this manner for over 2 years.

Then the first gen Jaeger was tested.
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Forums (http://www.deltorofilms.com/wp/forum2/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&author=gdt&start=40)

[Animeniax]

But they were piloting it from the inside. You can see Charlie Hunnam's character walking out of his fallen Jaeger in the trailer

Upon closer look this seems to be the case. I thought they were piloting them remotely via psionic or satellite link or some such. Even so, that doesn't make the Jaegers any more of a threat to world peace, for the reasons Kraco and I already mentioned.

[Dark Dragon]

I'm starting to get really fucking tired of people calling this some sort of ripoff/inspired from EVA.

You'd think people who watch enough anime to know EVA would bother look a little more into this. Never mind that asides from robot fighting aliens, this has absolutely nothing in common with it.

[shinta|hikari]

Angels aren't aliens.

[Dark Dragon]

the term alien can be use to describe "beings or things foreign to the environment in which it now exists". The Kaijus in the movie are also not extraterrestrial since they came from the pacific ocean.

[Sapphire]

They came from portal that was placed in the ocean (according to trailer).

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Edit: This (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1663662/board/nest/214648813?ref_=tt_bd_1&licb=0.6374694649389083) seems like a logical answer to the mecha vs. conventional weapon question.

There is also a Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/pacificrimmovie?fref=ts) with interesting pics that seem to just be low res screenshots from the movie lol

[Illrenmazou]

del Toro and cast explains "Drifting":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFwYXo-Z0vQ

[Illrenmazou]

Pacific Rim: Tales from Year Zero: http://www.mediafire.com/download/cpj9r6jir566cde/PRC.zip
I'm not sure if it's really a requirement to read this before watching the movie. But it does a good job at explaining the backstories of some of the characters.
Stacker Pentecost (Idris Elba's character) got the best speeches.

[Sapphire]

This comic was baller. Totally enjoyed it.

[Illrenmazou]

A glimpse of one of the fights in the movie:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLuZPIc8nSk

[Animeniax]

So it looks like the pilots feel damage that is done to the suit. Are they psychically linked to the suits as they pilot them?

[Buffalobiian]

Not sure that I like the voices there... sounded rather cheezy.

"Let's do this.. -together!" >_>

[Illrenmazou]

Yes, they do.
Here's an explanation by the movie's screenwriter, Travis Becham:


Yes. Yes, and it doesn't necessarily have to be like that. But it's kind of necessary for control when you're piloting something this big, you need balance. You need to be able to sense the world around you, you need to be able to get neural feedback. Like when your hand picks up a cup, you can feel the cup in your fingers and you know how to apply enough pressure so you don't crush it. If it was just a numb connection you would have no way to gauge that. The uplink is necessary for that kind of control, but the downside of that is when the Kaiju hit you, you feel it because the sensors are there.

Source (http://io9.com/an-exclusive-look-inside-the-12-year-war-that-lead-to-p-511442323)

[Sapphire]

Just saw the movie, it was very good. An easy way to win me over is to pump a shitload of style into a movie. They also took moments to put blatant humor in the movie, which was refreshing. The two scientists' performances stole the whole show, with the radiation damage guy being a close second. All of the shirtless guys win an easy third place in awesomeness.

Two questions, though.

Why did people have to wait for FOUR invasions until they started building Jaegars? Seriously?

Why couldn't they just remote control the Jaegars lol.

[Buffalobiian]

Why couldn't they just remote control the Jaegars lol.

Laaaagggg

[Sapphire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TVpQmZmKNmo

:o

[Sapphire]

This movie ain't doing as well as anticipated, guys. :/

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Pacific-Rim-Sequel-Depends-China-38752.html

[Ryllharu]

Someone is actively trying to make this movie a "flop." Why, I have no idea.

The press was downplaying its revenue right from the start. Theaters in the US were giving it very few showings, even on its second weekend. My theater dropped to five shows (two in 3D and three in 2D), and a lot of the other theaters nearby were showing it less than four times a day.

[shinta|hikari]

But this was awesome.

[Animeniax]

Someone is actively trying to make this movie a "flop." Why, I have no idea.

The press was downplaying its revenue right from the start. Theaters in the US were giving it very few showings, even on its second weekend. My theater dropped to five shows (two in 3D and three in 2D), and a lot of the other theaters nearby were showing it less than four times a day.
Yeah its one big conspiracy :rolleyes: Or maybe it's a movie about giant robots with a lot of CGI and there is limited appeal to American audiences. It will probably do better in overseas markets.

[Sapphire]

Transformers did well enough, though.

Pac Rim made a little more than half than that, opening weekend though. :/

Are Megan Fox's wiles that great?!

[NeoCybercoin]

This movie was fucking awesome and that's pretty much all there is the say about it.

[Animeniax]

Transformers did well enough, though.

Pac Rim made a little more than half than that, opening weekend though. :/

Are Megan Fox's wiles that great?!To me after the first Transformers movie it was all downhill for the franchise. Another giant robot movie has to overcome the distaste that the last 2 Transformers movies left in peoples' minds as well as be awesome on its own. Did PR even have a hot female lead for the giant robo fanboys to drool over?

[enkoujin]

Why did people have to wait for FOUR invasions until they started building Jaegars? Seriously?

Can't remember the details too much, but wasn't it because regular military weapons were slightly adequate enough to handle the first couple?

There's also bureaucracy, raising capital, and developing the technology to deal with the Kaiju. Weren't they running tests with neural link after the first couple appeared?

I might be wrong, but I was laughing when Stacker was on a conference with the world leaders. The UK seemed the most concerned of all despite not bordering the Pacific Ocean and Canada was barking out orders. But I guess if they knew that the Kaiju were planning to colonize the planet and their lobbyists' foreign investments were at stake, I'd be pretty desperate for results too.

I liked the movie; I watched it in 3D, but at times, it was difficult to tell what was happening during the action scenes. Plot could have been more complex, but I still liked it.

[Carnage]

People suck, what's there left to say?

[Animeniax]

I liked the movie; I watched it in 3D, but at times, it was difficult to tell what was happening during the action scenes. Plot could have been more complex, but I still liked it.

I think they used the same trick in Transformers where they purposefully make it difficult to tell what is happening in complex battle scenes. It helps to disguise flaws in CGI rendering quality.

[shinta|hikari]

It was much better in that aspect compared to Transformers. In PR. the darkness and debris sometimes makes the action harder to follow, but in Transformers, even perfect visual conditions still don't help clarity.

[Animeniax]

I've been meaning to watch the fight scenes in Transformers in slow mo to see if all the robots are fully rendered and differentiated.

I noticed how the darkness and weather effects blurred the robot action in PR even in the trailers.

[Sapphire]

Yeah, the rain and darkness was a little annoying in PR, but I remember not really being able to see jack shit in some of the Transformers scenes. Like insane closeups to the extent where all you see it metal clashing around lol.

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I liked the movie; I watched it in 3D, but at times, it was difficult to tell what was happening during the action scenes. Plot could have been more complex, but I still liked it.

I'm super surprised you were able to enjoy the movie at all in 3D! The only two positive experiences I had with 3D were when I watched Up and Avatar. It seemed to make the colors more vibrant rather than have a 3D effect. My latest attempt to watch the latest Star Trek 2 movie was disastrous, though (as usual).

I agree that the plot could have been more complex. For example, they totally glossed over how commercialism and greed came into play with the Kaiju. I guess Charlie Day was a great example about how the Kaiju came to be mystified and idolized, but they might as well have not mentioned it.

[rockmanj]

This movie was fucking awesome and that's pretty much all there is the say about it.

I agree...I almost soiled my pants when


SPOILER



Gypsy Danger sliced that one monster in in the air with the sword

[Death BOO Z]

for a movie that was betting on the foreign market (I.E not USA), this movie had surprisingly few non-American doing anything. sure, there was the japansese pilot chick, but aside from her accent (which was probably true, but still charming), she was a usual 'yellow babe'. the Russians and the Chinese didn't get to do nothing (I can't recall any of them speaking outside of their jagers). the main characters were white asshole, japanses chick, black commander, aussie father and aussie douche, and two white (one brit? one german?) science guys. I know that Asians love giant robots, but they could've thrown them a bone with some speaking roles.

also, the nukes did work on the kaijus, right? so why not just drop one on them once they surface. or just have some jager hold the beast and then nuke it.

[darkshadow]

Few non-americans? Literally only Raleigh was american. And how was he an asshole?
And yes her accent is real, she didn't even speak english very well a couple of years ago.
Also the Kaiju adapt, did you miss that? If they kept nuking them they would've adapted against it, in fact, Slattern was near death and it still survived a point blank nuclear explosion.

[shinta|hikari]

That was weird though. Aren't nukes killing things with impact and heat? If a nuke doesn't kill it point blank, no punching or slashing from a giant robot can even hurt it.

I do understand why the last one had to survive though. It was necessary for the suspense in the final jump. It can also be explained by simply saying that the final Kaiju was invulnerable.

[darkshadow]

Cept he wasn't, Striker was straight up killing it; Slattern might've adapted to withstand force and heat more, but Striker has those giant blades.
Striker and Gipsy were the only two with blades, and they only used them at the very end.

[shinta|hikari]

So that means that the final boss had soft skin but was impact and heat resistant. What a weird adaptation.

Didn't the Chinese Jaeger also have blades? Three spinning ones, in fact.

[enkoujin]

Yeah, but those Chinese brothers sucked ass.

What would you expect from three Chinese guys playing basketball who aren't Yao Ming?

[darkshadow]

They had little tiny finger blades, which functioned more as a slow, ghetto sawblade. Otachi in fact was the result of adaptation to completely dominate Crimson, that's why she just grabbed the hands to stop the blades from turning.

Slattern's skin is prolly really tough so it can withstand explosions, but that's not going to help against piercing/bladed weapons.
Prolly why Striker's missiles were disabled, they would've straight up wrecked Slattern since they are not only armour piercing but also have a burrowing mechanism so not even hard bone stops them.

The kaiju are still organic in nature, so there is only so much they can adapt to when it comes to taking damage, and it seems piercing/heavy blades and concentrated heat are one weakness they can't overcome.

[Ryllharu]

Why did the Russian Jaeger pilots wear suits without facemasks or air? Yes, it looked cooler, but that's also the reason they died. They couldn't do a whole lot when they were struggling to breathe because the compartment was ruptured.

Considering the first fight we see is Gipsy Danger getting its pilot compartment punctured, having all jaegers equipped with air systems would have been a good idea.

They got blown up underwater, so plotwise it wouldn't have mattered, but drowning is a shitty way to go.

[darkshadow]

Hubris, Cherno was literally the toughest Jaeger they had, that's why Otachi had acid to weaken its armour.

[rockmanj]

Hubris, Cherno was literally the toughest Jaeger they had, that's why Otachi had acid to weaken its armour.



I also believe that the Russians' fighting philosophy was that they either win or die. If you look into the other materials, you would see that the Russian models don't have escape pods either.

[Y]

Imagine if the first 30-50 minutes of Speed Racer were devoted to explaining what a 'car' is, and why people were racing them. "I was fifteen when I saw the first speed race... They called them automobiles... Driving very quickly... We built them because horses were too slow..." Just interminably. That's Pacific Rim.

Del Toro fans might recall how Hellboy 2 unceremoniously ditches the bland human audience-identification character from the first film, having Hellboy and the other monsters go rogue from their government organization to have wild pagan monster adventures. Imagine if they killed off Hellboy instead. That's also this film.

Just gonna leave this here.

[Illrenmazou]

The explaining part took only a several minutes and it was done during the prologue. Some people were still asking "Why not just nuke the monsters instead of building giant robots?" even of it was clearly explained. Now, imagine if they left out that part -_-
As for the Hellboy part, it didn't feel like it at all.

[Y]

The entire first act of the movie is boring exposition, not just the opening that establishes the setting. It's an action movie about people walking down corridors looking sternly at each other.

Also, much like Evangelion, there is a reason they use giant robots and it has nothing to do with how effective they are compared to nuclear weapons.

[Sapphire]

What do you guys think the sequel is going to be about? I hope the two main characters get busy.

[shinta|hikari]

I actually don't want them romantically involved. Can't they just be great friends and partners?

[Sapphire]

Then where will I get my Sousei no Aquarion-esque sex scenes?!

[shinta|hikari]

From Sousei no Aquarion?

[Sapphire]

:<.

On another note, the main lead guy from this is now playing Christian Grey in 50 Shades of Grey.

[Animeniax]

People are giving Charlie Hunnam the Ben-Affleck-as-Batman treatment, saying he's not well-known enough to play the role in 50. But everything I've seen him in, he's pretty badass, no homo.

[Sapphire]

Since when does being well known—

Sigh, society. :<

[Animeniax]

Well it's as much being unknown as it is that he hasn't played any "sexy" roles as far as I know. Mostly you see him as a scruffy tough guy, not as a suave playboy. I don't know much about 50 Shades, but I do know the lead guy is more like Christian Bale in American Psycho than Jax from SoA.

[Sapphire]

Who knows, maybe Hunnam will pull a Heath Ledger.

[Animeniax]

Finally saw the movie, it is pretty bad ass. No lulls in the action scenes and the side story with the scientists was funny and made for good breaks in the action. I liked all the main characters in the movie; there were no dumb parts or stuff that didn't make sense or didn't need to be in the movie.

Was it only me or did anyone else think the young Mako scenes were too cute??

Off-topic, most have probably heard, but Charlie Hunnam dropped out of the Fifty Shades of Grey movie due to "scheduling conflicts," but some say it's because he doesn't want to be typecast by such a defining role.

[Ryllharu]

Finally saw the movie...
Wait, what?

You've been commenting about this movie's production (http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php/22518-Movie-Pacific-Rim?p=532531&viewfull=1#post532531) quality (http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php/22518-Movie-Pacific-Rim?p=532533&viewfull=1#post532533)...and you hadn't even seen the movie?

Unbelievable.

[Animeniax]

Everything I commented on was from the trailers and sneak peek videos.

[poopdeville]

I watched this a few weeks ago. Yeah, it was pretty good. There were a few fight moments that were just stupid (the tanker, not using the sword immediately, the fight under water), but the main idea -- thousand foot nuclear powered battering rams pummeling monsters from beyond was actually thought out and even a little clever.

I have high hopes for the sequel.


The entire first act of the movie is boring exposition, not just the opening that establishes the setting. It's an action movie about people walking down corridors looking sternly at each other.

Also, much like Evangelion, there is a reason they use giant robots and it has nothing to do with how effective they are compared to nuclear weapons.

How many kaiju did they end up facing over the war? A hundred? I'm pretty sure shooting off a hundred megaton bombs would do bad things the environment and the people that live in it.

That was actually one of the clever bits.

[Animeniax]

I watched this a few weeks ago. Yeah, it was pretty good. There were a few fight moments that were just stupid (the tanker, not using the sword immediately, the fight under water), but the main idea -- thousand foot nuclear powered battering rams pummeling monsters from beyond was actually thought out and even a little clever.

I have high hopes for the sequel.

I was surprised at how good it was. I usually get bored halfway through these types of pure action movies because the action gets stale or there is some dumb side story, but this one kept my attention throughout.

I'd rather they didn't make a sequel because sequels usually suck with movies like this. Now that the portal is closed, what can they do with a second movie? New portal, more kaiju, visit the kaiju homeworld? Unless they have a good story, now that the novelty of giant robots fighting monsters is past it will be more of the same and I'd rather they didn't ruin it.

[Ryllharu]

If there is anyone I would trust to make a good scifi/fantasy sequel, it's Guillermo del Toro. He directed Blade II (the best one) and Hellboy II was better than the first.

[Animeniax]

I'd agree that some sci-fi sequels are better (Blade 2, Empire Strikes Back, Spider-man 2, Aliens) but those movies aren't as straight-forward in their conflict as Pacific Rim. With other sci-fi movies you can always introduce new villains (that often take over the lead role in the movie). But with the kaiju, they can't really do that because they are an undifferentiated mass antagonist with no personality. They aren't intriguing like the Borg or as frightening as the xenomorphs in Aliens.

Like I said, a second movie would be new jaegers, new pilots, and more of the same giant robots fighting monsters (remember how dull the fight scenes were in Transformers 2?). They'd have to attack the kaiju homeworld, as Earth as a battleground has been covered in the first movie, and there just isn't that much appeal in that.

[Kraco]

The kaiju weren't really the enemy of Pacific Rim. They were just biological weapons. Those aliens we shortly saw, on their home planet, were the enemy. If they could develop the kaiju and the portal, they would be certainly able to develop lots of other things. Maybe they learned their lesson and realised steel is stronger than flesh and next send in cyborg kaiju!

Seriously, though, I somehow feel like del Toro wouldn't be directing a really bad script. There are people out there who could (relatively) easily write a decent sequel, I'm sure of it. All the better if we laymen can't immediately think what it would be like.

[Animeniax]

The kaiju weren't really the enemy of Pacific Rim. They were just biological weapons. Those aliens we shortly saw, on their home planet, were the enemy. If they could develop the kaiju and the portal, they would be certainly able to develop lots of other things. Maybe they learned their lesson and realised steel is stronger than flesh and next send in cyborg kaiju!Haha you mean like Mecha-Godzilla?


Seriously, though, I somehow feel like del Toro wouldn't be directing a really bad script. There are people out there who could (relatively) easily write a decent sequel, I'm sure of it. All the better if we laymen can't immediately think what it would be like.
Well here's hoping that my pessimism will lead the universe to prove me wrong and we'll have another awesome sequel to watch.

[poopdeville]

The rumors I hear about the sequel are that one side or the other will use kaiju-machine hybrids, and that they will explore the implications of drifting with a kaiju.

I heard the movie hasn't been green lit, but Del Toro is working on the script.

[Animeniax]

That sounds interesting, but I think a better tact would also be to improve the power and weapons of the jaegers. I'm talking some Gundam style beam sabers, huge shields, giant laser rifles, and wrist-mounted gatling guns.

[Shadow Skill]

Saw it this weekend on Blu-Ray. I have to say, it's an excellent movie. I am surprised it did poorly in North America. I am glad it did good around the world. I hope Blu-Ray sales are way high for this movie. It deserves a sequel. The lead and Mako do not need to be romantically linked. They should just remain as friends. :D

[shinta|hikari]

The lead and Mako do not need to be romantically linked. They should just remain as friends. :D

This. I liked how they did not kiss at the end.

[Animeniax]

Sadly I think that just points to how unattractive Mako is to the general viewing public that they didn't bother with a romance (which probably made the movie better). I wonder if a hotter female costar would have led to better sales but resulted in a weaker movie for the true fans.

Considering the subject matter and cast, it's not much surprise it didn't do so well in the US. Outside of the side characters like Dr. Geiszler, all the main characters are foreign actors.

[shinta|hikari]

I personally did not like Mako's looks or acting (excluding loli Mako), but that is not the reason I want a non-romantic development. A little deviation from the cliche is always welcome.

[Animeniax]

Loli Mako was unbearably cute and awesome. I thought Mako's acting was perfect for the role. I watch a lot of sports with foreign stars and the interviews they give are exactly like Mako's interactions with the other characters... awkward but real.

[Ryllharu]

Considering the subject matter and cast, it's not much surprise it didn't do so well in the US. Outside of the side characters like Dr. Geiszler, all the main characters are foreign actors.
What part of Ron Perlman isn't American? "Hannibal Chau" is a joke, he's a Jewish mobster from NYC selling alien organs to idiots who'll buy them.

So is Clifton Collins (Gonzalez) Jr., the technician guy in the fancy shirt. Looks kinda Maori, but he's a latino actor from the US.

Oh yeah, and so is Max Martini, the Aussie father.

Three characters (Idris Elba, Charlie Hunnam, and Rinko Kikuchi), four if you count Charlie Day, do not an action movie make.

[Carnage]

Three characters (Idris Elba, Charlie Hunnam, and Rinko Kikuchi), four if you count Charlie Day, do not an action movie make.

Idris Elba makes any movie. He's fucking Idris Elba. It would be cool if he gets to be the next Bond.

[Animeniax]

The top three cast members are foreigners, and none of them are A-listers. I think it worked better for the movie, but the lack of drawing power was evident. A bigger name might have drawn more viewers but it would have distracted from the core concepts of the movie. It's like Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt in pretty much any of their movies.

Hannibal Chau is definitely a side character.

@Carnage: he's a fine actor, but not a big Hollywood draw. I can't think of any leading roles he's had in a successful movie.

[lelouch]

They really shouldn't have chosen one of the lead characters to be portrayed by an actress who can't speak a engrish.

[Animeniax]

You can't have a giant robot movie without some yellow flavor, especially if you want success in international (SE Asia) markets. I'm especially pleased they chose a Japanese actress to play a Japanese character and not a Korean or Chinese actress.

[lelouch]

You can't have a giant robot movie without some yellow flavor, especially if you want success in international (SE Asia) markets. I'm especially pleased they chose a Japanese actress to play a Japanese character and not a Korean or Chinese actress.

That's a good point. Though I was a bit confused in the beginning because it seemed like they introduced her as "welcoming" Riley (or w.e the main character's name is) to the area, like she's from there (hong kong). But then she spoke Japanese. So I thought they f**ked up on the language. But I guess it's just an international base.

[Animeniax]

That's a good point. Though I was a bit confused in the beginning because it seemed like they introduced her as "welcoming" Riley (or w.e the main character's name is) to the area, like she's from there (hong kong). But then she spoke Japanese. So I thought they f**ked up on the language. But I guess it's just an international base.

Yeah Hong Kong is an international kind of place, even now in real life, so it makes a good setting for the movie, plus the harbor is a good staging area on the mainland.

One thing I didn't like about the Transformer movies was the lack of ode to the originators (Japanese). I don't recall a single yellow face or slanted eye in the whole movie.

[Shadow Skill]

Actually, I find Rinko, the actress who plays Mako, as very attractive. I just don't think they should be romantically linked in any way. It's a movie about diving and joining minds/consciences. They know everything about each other from that. A love story in a movie based on Giant Mechs fighting alien invasion would be totally wrong for a movie of this calibre.

Personally, if there is a sequel, they definitely need to redo the mechs to make them more slim and have quick reactions and focus on improving the hydraulics for better force in physical attacks in close combat. They had like 4 different Mech versions since the start and they were all pretty much the same. Also maybe have them be solo pilot-able. How many years or decades ahead are they and they treat any technology as what we have today...

[darkshadow]

What? That's not how technology works, you don't just decomission something because it's a few years old, the F-16 are still being used and they are 40 years old now; shit is expensive/time consuming to build, best you can do is slowly upgrade it over time, like how they actually upgraded Gipsy Danger.
Also Cherno was built in 2015, that's only 2 years from now, we don't even have the tech to build anything like it now or anywhere in the forseeable future (ever).

Saying "today's tech" for a movie about giant mechs is pretty silly either way, but even so Striker's tech was way beyond any of the others which is kinda surprising since it's only 4 years older than Cherno.

They tried to keep it as realistic as possible, that is ofcourse as realistic a movie about giant mechs fighting giant monsters can be.

[Animeniax]

True some technology lasts because of budget or because they satisfy their niche, but even old soldiers like the A-10 Warthog are regularly decommissioned (http://www.dodbuzz.com/2013/09/18/air-force-mourns-likely-passing-of-a-10-warthog/) because they become obsolete.

I see lots of room for improvement in the jaegars, some of them retro like we saw in the movie. Moving back to nuclear powered energy supplies makes them a dual threat as a sentry as well as a walking nuke. The designers need to watch some Gundam and implement some of those weapon systems.

[Ryllharu]

Ask anyone but the Air Fo-, I mean Chair Force how obsolete A-10s are. Nothing, and I mean nothing else can provide the level of support that the A-10 filled for forces on the ground. The Army wants them if the Air Force ditches them all (http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130915/DEFREG02/309150004).

Everyone but the upper echelons of the AF loves the A-10:
- It can take off on any POS runway, even the ones covered in rocks and sand.
- It rips apart armor.
- It takes hits (titanium bathtub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell_(pilot))).
- It flies SLOW. That means it can really blast the shit out of something (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3fL2atX_-0&feature=youtu.be&t=6m10s) with its cannons.

The people who don't love the A-10:
- Believe in the romantic myth of air-to-air combat. That doesn't really happen, because missiles blow up all their runways.


Very few people believe them to be obsolete who do actual fighting.

[Animeniax]

Count me in the group that loves the A-10 and would hate to see it decommissioned. My point wasn't to bash the A-10, but to show that even the most honored and venerable stalwarts of the battlefield can and will be discarded as the battlefield changes in the eyes of the military leadership and the purse-minders in Washington. I think that's what's happening with the A-10. Large scale ground warfare just isn't as common, particularly with tanks and armored vehicles that require the A-10's capabilities to fight. So it will be phased out, same as older model jaegers.

[poopdeville]

You guys, they don't make the old models of A-10 anymore. Every time they make a new model (with new avionics, radar, and cannon tech), they upgrade the oldest of the A-10s in use.

Guess what the old models are called. Decommissioned.

[Animeniax]

Yeah but as a line they are still in service, right? The A-10 as a ground support platform I mean. Eventually though, as mentioned in the article, the entire fleet of A-10s will be decommissioned from service with the USAF.

If the army does pick them up, as Ryllharu mentioned, they could get another 30 years of service out of them. I'm surprised the Marines don't take them. They still fly some old helos and use Vietnam era M-16s.

[Ryllharu]

You guys, they don't make the old models of A-10 anymore. Every time they make a new model (with new avionics, radar, and cannon tech), they upgrade the oldest of the A-10s in use.

Guess what the old models are called. Decommissioned.
In my industry, we call it modernization. Pop old the old parts, put in the new parts, return to service.

I'll never understand why we waste so many good airplanes. B-52s are still upgraded, the last was built in 1962!

[Shadow Skill]

What I mean is, it was even mention in the movie that the Kaijuu, are essentially the same. Something is different with them. Each new mark of the Kaijuu seemed stronger and faster and maybe more intelligent than the previous mark. They tore through the older and new models like a hot knife through butter. Even the Gipsy had trouble towards the end.

With all the mechs destroyed now. I don't see how they can't return to the drawing board. With the Kaijuu changing to some degree, the mechs should as well is my thoughts.

[Animeniax]

The kaiju evolved (flies in the face of evolution but who knows with aliens, maybe they evolve faster), learned new tactics, or they are created by their scientists and equipped with the latest tech same as we do with our mechs. The Earth forces will definitely need to improve their mechs in order to survive another attack from the ever-improving kaiju.

But considering how long it takes to build the mechs, the next movie will need to be 15-20 years (rough rough estimate) in the future. Otherwise the Atlantic force will already have to exist, which then requires us to ask why they didn't help the Pacific forces avert the end of the world in the first movie. So will it be an entirely new cast, or will Raleigh and Mako be aged? Or will the events in the 2nd movie run concurrently with the events of PR?

edit: ok maybe not. According to this timeline (http://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline) it took about 5 months to design and build the first jaeger (3 month actual build time).

[darkshadow]

What I mean is, it was even mention in the movie that the Kaijuu, are essentially the same. Something is different with them. Each new mark of the Kaijuu seemed stronger and faster and maybe more intelligent than the previous mark. They tore through the older and new models like a hot knife through butter. Even the Gipsy had trouble towards the end.

With all the mechs destroyed now. I don't see how they can't return to the drawing board. With the Kaijuu changing to some degree, the mechs should as well is my thoughts.

Not all of them were destroyed, crimson is only missing a cockpit and cherno has about the same amount of damage gipsy had after knifehead.
Also you seem to forget that Gipsy was a mk3, upgraded to about ~mk4.5, Striker however was a mark5 and it was beasting on everything, heck it killed mutavore in 20 seconds flat whom prior to that destroyed two mk3's at the same time before bursting through the sydney wall.

Even the strongest kaiju was beasted on by Striker and it only appeared 5 years after the jaeger program was shut down, if they kept it going they could've definitely had even stronger jaegers.

[Shadow Skill]

Let hope they re-activate the program in the sequel. :)

[Animeniax]

I think they should build new walls instead. Just add spikes or laser turrets to the walls.

Considering how damaging the acid attack on Cherno was, why wouldn't all the kaiju have that adaptation?

[poopdeville]

I think the acid-spitting says something about the aliens. They're these Lovecraftian cosmic horrors that just don't care about us one way or the other. They can afford to take their millions of years to exterminate us with their kaiju program. Think of it as a literal program:

while (weaker) { getStronger };
win();

Yeah, from our perspective of scarce resources, that strategy/algorithm is wasteful. But apparently they have the resources to "guarantee" a win in that way.

[Animeniax]

That's why we need to attack them at their homeworld. Earth as a battleground has suffered too much collateral damage.

The problem is we don't know how many kaiju have been created or what kind of defenses they have on the alien world. Considering how slowly they attacked us, one or two at a time, three at most, the kaiju must take about as long to create as it takes humans to build a jaeger. Of course, we also have to find and train the pilots, a requirement which the kaiju apparently aren't saddled with.

Also we need to focus more on projectile and ranged weapons instead of hand-to-hand combat with the jaegers. If all the aliens can spit acid or neutralize a jaegar by grabbing its weapons (like with Crimson Typhoon), then close-quarters combat is a bad idea for us.

[darkshadow]

I think the acid-spitting says something about the aliens. They're these Lovecraftian cosmic horrors that just don't care about us one way or the other. They can afford to take their millions of years to exterminate us with their kaiju program. Think of it as a literal program:

while (weaker) { getStronger };
win();

Yeah, from our perspective of scarce resources, that strategy/algorithm is wasteful. But apparently they have the resources to "guarantee" a win in that way.

We really don't know how many "resources" they have though.

The acid spit, like anything else about them, is an adaptation.
Cherno had the highest armour rating, so otachi and leatherback both had adaptations to get through it: strong acid for otachi and strength for leatherback.
But Cherno was also the slowest and the acid spit failed on gipsy because it was fast enough to dodge it, which is why leatherback also had the EMP since the supremely fast Striker would have no problems dodging the spit either.

Now if resources weren't an issue, they'd just create one giant mega kaiju that had a max rating in everything, could fly, hard bone outer shell like mutavore/knifehead, had an EMP, had acid spit etc..

[poopdeville]

We really don't know how many "resources" they have though.

The acid spit, like anything else about them, is an adaptation.
Cherno had the highest armour rating, so otachi and leatherback both had adaptations to get through it: strong acid for otachi and strength for leatherback.
But Cherno was also the slowest and the acid spit failed on gipsy because it was fast enough to dodge it, which is why leatherback also had the EMP since the supremely fast Striker would have no problems dodging the spit either.

Now if resources weren't an issue, they'd just create one giant mega kaiju that had a max rating in everything, could fly, hard bone outer shell like mutavore/knifehead, had an EMP, had acid spit etc..

We know they have the resources to do exactly what you suggested. And they also have the desire to not do it. So there you go.

Remember that they had to stop the kaijus before the aliens had a critical mass moment and sent multiple level 5's, level 6's, level 7's at a time, every four minutes, three minutes, two minutes, etc., apart. If that was the plan all along, most of the kaiju would have hugely more powerful than the first of them. After all, most numbers are very large. The point is, there is no max rating. Just stronger than before.

The aliens are Lovecraftian horrors. They don't think the way "we" do.

[darkshadow]

No what we knew, and actually saw is that they had a giant factory making heaps of kaiju at the same time, we don't however know how long they could've kept that up before exhausting whatever resources they were using.
Plus as the good doctor said after his drift, they move from one world to the next, consuming it [for resources]; they left the first time because the atmosphere wasn't right yet.

Also calling them lovecraftian horrors is a giant stretch.

[Buffalobiian]

I just saw the movie and it didn't felt that great. Note that I have effectively not read any supplementary material.

- The reason for choosing mecha seemed to be effectiveness (the details I am not aware of). They simply went "oh, the first Kaiju took 6 days to take down and it trashed 3 cities in the meanwhile. 6 months later more turned up. We need something better." There's the whole Kaiju Blue toxin, but mecha fighting bled them out anyway. The whole idea with the mecha were to beat the shit out of the Kaiju as quickly as possible without breaking too many cities. That's why they're supposed to be more effective as a weapon.

- Adaptations: Where was this talked about? I've only seen them get stronger based on categories. Biological adaptation also doesn't work this way since it requires reproduction. If the Kaiju's abilities really are adapting or learning, that would mean that the monsters have some sort of neural link back home where they can watch these fights and design their babies to have various qualities.

- Kaiju looking for the Dr because he did a neural link with them - true/false? Nobody knows.

-The baby kaiju was supposed to be just born. How does it have knowledge of what shit looks like down there etc?

This was mostly an eyecandy film for me.

[Animeniax]

I don't think the kaiju abilities are adaptations as much as upgrades. Like you said, evolution/ bio adaptation doesn't work that way or that specifically. I think the kaiju's masters add new abilities specifically to combat the jaegers' strengths, like use acid on cherno or EMP to disable the jaegers. They also teach them tactics, or program them.

I think they chose jaegers for mobility and firepower. To combat huge, mobile enemies, you have to have something as big and as mobile.

[Shadow Skill]

Uhh... in the movie it states that when they dive, it's a 2 way street. So I imagine the alien masters have a way to stay in contact with the Kaijuu once on earth. PLus the scientist did a dive with the baby Kaijuu near the end and gained a lot of it's memories. They did say it's a collective consciousness. So what one knows, the others know. They didn't explain it in great detail, so I assume they left it up to the viewer to decide on how that works.

[darkshadow]

I just saw the movie and it didn't felt that great. Note that I have effectively not read any supplementary material.

- The reason for choosing mecha seemed to be effectiveness (the details I am not aware of). They simply went "oh, the first Kaiju took 6 days to take down and it trashed 3 cities in the meanwhile. 6 months later more turned up. We need something better." There's the whole Kaiju Blue toxin, but mecha fighting bled them out anyway. The whole idea with the mecha were to beat the shit out of the Kaiju as quickly as possible without breaking too many cities. That's why they're supposed to be more effective as a weapon.

- Adaptations: Where was this talked about? I've only seen them get stronger based on categories. Biological adaptation also doesn't work this way since it requires reproduction. If the Kaiju's abilities really are adapting or learning, that would mean that the monsters have some sort of neural link back home where they can watch these fights and design their babies to have various qualities.

- Kaiju looking for the Dr because he did a neural link with them - true/false? Nobody knows.

-The baby kaiju was supposed to be just born. How does it have knowledge of what shit looks like down there etc?

This was mostly an eyecandy film for me.

Did you watch a different film or something?

Blunt force didn't bleed them out, if you punch someone they don't just explode all of their blood everywhere. It was also clearly shown Hannibal's crew pumping gas into otachi's corpse as a means to neutralise the effects of kaiju blue.

It was mentioned that they adapt before they realised they were actually being built, because they are organic in nature.
And yes...they have a neural link back home, they are a hive mind.
Otachi was looking for the dr. because he drifted with them, probably for experimentation/secrets, the baby was pretty much specifically made for him, which is why hannibal didn't die when it got swallowed by it; it was a kidnapping vessel.
And again they are all connected, even the baby.

[Ryllharu]

Otachi was looking for the dr. because he drifted with them, probably for experimentation/secrets, the baby was pretty much specifically made for him, which is why hannibal didn't die when it got swallowed by it; it was a kidnapping vessel.
And again they are all connected, even the baby.
The latter part seems like a bit of a stretch...

Otachi was hunting for him to examine and then kill him. The baby felt more like a failsafe or a trap if humanity managed to kill it with a jaeger and attempted to drift again with a fresh brain. Which is exactly what happened when they started to harvest it.

Hannibal survived because he's a gag character...and Ron Perlman is one of del Toro's favorite actors.

[darkshadow]

Otachi definitely wasn't hunting him to kill him, the fact you need Kaiju dna to enter the breach, and the baby didn't have harmful kaiju blue makes it extremely clear that it was going to be used as a (safe) transport back through the breach; they most certainly had plans for him after the drift, heck the baby had the exact same drive to go after the dr., so much it strangled itself.

[Shadow Skill]

Watched it again and the beginning said first Kaiju attack was in 2013. Then increased slowly over the years. The year was 2020 when they cut the funding for the jaeger program for 8 months left available. So by the time the lead rejoins, it could have been the next year in 2021 or even further. Sounds like Hannibal Chau has been funding the Jaeger program for quite a while giving him exclusive rights to the Kaiju when they're dead. So I am thinking the lead rejoins in 2022-2025.

Mako is a lil girl when Pentecost saves her if the 2013 being the first attack, I don't think she'd be old enough to pilot a Jaeger in 2021, 8 years... unless she's like 15 years old lol. So anybody guess what year it really is at the end. I am leaning more towards 2025-2030.

I hope the sequel covers a lot of my questions and hopes/dreams for any sequel being full of action. :)

[Buffalobiian]

Since you're bringing up dates/times, I thought it was funny that the video footage covering the first neural link experiment was in black and white, as if it was some 1960s experiment.

[Animeniax]

Watched it again and the beginning said first Kaiju attack was in 2013. Then increased slowly over the years. The year was 2020 when they cut the funding for the jaeger program for 8 months left available. So by the time the lead rejoins, it could have been the next year in 2021 or even further. Sounds like Hannibal Chau has been funding the Jaeger program for quite a while giving him exclusive rights to the Kaiju when they're dead. So I am thinking the lead rejoins in 2022-2025.

Mako is a lil girl when Pentecost saves her if the 2013 being the first attack, I don't think she'd be old enough to pilot a Jaeger in 2021, 8 years... unless she's like 15 years old lol. So anybody guess what year it really is at the end. I am leaning more towards 2025-2030.

I hope the sequel covers a lot of my questions and hopes/dreams for any sequel being full of action. :)

According to this timeline (http://pacificrim.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline) Mako was born in 2003 and joined the Jaeger program in 2021, so she was about 18 at the time. The timeline says Mako was a survivor of the Tokyo attack in 2016, so it wasn't the first kaiju attack. She definitely looked younger than 13 years old when Pentecost saved her if it was 2016 (probably Hollywood decision to make her younger and cuter). Disclaimer is that the wiki timeline is from the official novelization of the movie, not canon material.

Someone mentioned the title for the second movie is "Atlantic Rim" but I can't find any supporting news for that.

[darkshadow]

Watched it again and the beginning said first Kaiju attack was in 2013. Then increased slowly over the years. The year was 2020 when they cut the funding for the jaeger program for 8 months left available. So by the time the lead rejoins, it could have been the next year in 2021 or even further. Sounds like Hannibal Chau has been funding the Jaeger program for quite a while giving him exclusive rights to the Kaiju when they're dead. So I am thinking the lead rejoins in 2022-2025.

Mako is a lil girl when Pentecost saves her if the 2013 being the first attack, I don't think she'd be old enough to pilot a Jaeger in 2021, 8 years... unless she's like 15 years old lol. So anybody guess what year it really is at the end. I am leaning more towards 2025-2030.

I hope the sequel covers a lot of my questions and hopes/dreams for any sequel being full of action. :)

It starts off in 2020, and Raleigh was working on the wall in 2025.
Mako was born in 2005 (http://travisbeacham.tumblr.com/post/58455517357/how-old-is-when).

[Ryllharu]

Someone mentioned the title for the second movie is "Atlantic Rim" but I can't find any supporting news for that.Atlantic Rim is the SyFy Channel ripoff movie. Saph posted the trailer earlier. The Asylum, the studio that produced it, is known for cranking out terrible ripoff movies that are timed to be shown on cable a month before the real movie comes out. They're jokingly called Mockbusters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mockbuster).

[Shadow Skill]

Why Hollywood why? Maybe the black and white is meant to make it more like a dream state since apparently most the world has dreams in black and white I think, I dunno. I guess if they don't deviate too far.

Not sure, IMDB has a Pacific Rim 2 listed, but no other information. :/

Thanks Darkshadow, as I rewatched the movie, I didn't see any 2025 dates. It was 2020 the only date that really stood out.

[Animeniax]

Atlantic Rim is the SyFy Channel ripoff movie. Saph posted the trailer earlier. The Asylum, the studio that produced it, is known for cranking out terrible ripoff movies that are timed to be shown on cable a month before the real movie comes out. They're jokingly called Mockbusters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mockbuster).

Oh ok, thought I read something about it but I wasn't really that involved in the discussion because I hadn't seen the movie and didn't want spoilers. Couldn't stay completely out though, hence the critiques of the trailer material.