JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

[Buffalobiian]

It's Kira seems to think it's his.

Bites The Dust kills whoever the boy feeds information to, then rewinds time by 1hr - erasing any deaths or events that happened during that time. The teapot set is intact, for example.

The weird thing is that if you're rewinding time, you really don't need to kill. Blowing people up fits with his theme, but rewinding really doesn't.

I see where you're coming from, and perhaps the boy rewinded time by 1hr just to save himself. The aspects against this idea though is that the boy hasn't been hit by the arrow yet. It's also somewhat reasonable for Kira to not know about the rewinds because the power is automated, just as he doesn't actually know what his tracking bomb is up to. He just assumes it does its work.

[MFauli]

Logically, time rewind cannot be the boy´s power. Kira killed him. THEN, after the boy was already dead, Kira did something to rewind time.

It´s just weird that Kira would get such a completely unrelated power.

[DarthEnderX]

So the time travel is the boy´s power or Kira´s power?Why would it be the boy's power? The boy wasn't the one pierced by the arrow.


It´s just weird that Kira would get such a completely unrelated power.A. They ARE related. It's still a bomb. It's just a bomb that resets the day after it goes off.

B. Why would they even need to be related? DIO's two powers didn't have anything to do with each other.

[Buffalobiian]

Dio stopping time isn't so bad. It's more or less his primary power. Speed/accuracy just came with the picture.

Rewind-bomb feels out of place because there's no reason to kill someone if you're going to rewind time, and vice versa. "I'll do something, then rewind it so that I didn't do something."

Just... why? It's redundant, that's what it is.

It's almost like the author's creative process went like: "Hmm, I'd love for his power to rewind time. His theme is bombs, explosions and killing people though. Oh, I know, I'll have his bomb blow people up and rewind time. That sorts itself out."

[DarthEnderX]

Dio stopping time isn't so bad. It's more or less his primary power. Speed/accuracy just came with the picture.I'm not talking about the speed/accuracy. I'm talking about how he also has Hermit Purple's oracular powers.


Rewind-bomb feels out of place because there's no reason to kill someone if you're going to rewind time, and vice versa.Well, there's the psychological effect.

"See, that guy died in a horrible explosion because you let him find out about me. Better make sure that doesn't happen again."

Still, it feels like this power could really backfire on Kira. Giving the boy the chance to redo the days events when even Kira himself doesn't know what happened seems like it could be used against him in ways he doesn't realize.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not talking about the speed/accuracy. I'm talking about how he also has Hermit Purple's oracular powers

Really? I don't even remember this.

[MFauli]

I don´t see how it could, LOGICALLY SPEAKING, backfire. Kira´s power basically works as a prison for the boy. He has to live on as if everything was normal. The moment he tells somebody or so much as hints about Kira, that person is blown to death and time is rewinded, reminding the boy once again that he better keep his mouth shut.

Edit: One way to counter this, I imagine, is Jojo´s healing ability. The moment the bomb gets off, he needs to start healing, so that the effects of the explosion are negated the moment they happen. That way he could surive even after being told about Kira.

[DarthEnderX]

Really? I don't even remember this.It's definitely a thing. Very early in the arc they show DIO also creating a vision with a photograph.

I believe the theory is that him having Jonathan's body is the reason he seems to have both Joseph and Jotaro's stand abilities.

Makes me wonder if he had survived if he wouldn't also have gained Josuke's ability eventually.


The moment he tells somebody or so much as hints about Kira, that person is blown to death and time is rewinded, reminding the boy once again that he better keep his mouth shut.He's not allowed to tell anyone, or allow anyone to get the information from him. But if he has forknowledge of the days events, he could set events into motion that lead to them stumbling onto Kira themselves without him having to interact with them directly at all.

[Buffalobiian]

It's definitely a thing. Very early in the arc they show DIO also creating a vision with a photograph.

I believe the theory is that him having Jonathan's body is the reason he seems to have both Joseph and Jotaro's stand abilities.

Makes me wonder if he had survived if he wouldn't also have gained Josuke's ability eventually.

Ah. Well that's not so bad. I can get behind Dio having traits of Joestar's powers.

[DarthEnderX]

36

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Holy fucking shit! Okay, yeah, Bites The Dust is fucking brutal. Time resets, BUT THEY STILL DIE?! Wtf!

Also...that Opening...goddamn.

[Buffalobiian]

Last week: LMAO wtf is this stupid ability?
This week: WTF is this ability?

Respect for Hayato. That guys a champ.

[DarthEnderX]

I just realized, back when the origin of Josuke's hairstyle was being explained, is was super obvious that the guy with the pompador was actually his older self.

I'm not exactly sure how it's going to happen, but now that the big bad has been revealed to have time rewind powers, I'm sure Josuke is going to end up in the past.



Last week: LMAO wtf is this stupid ability?
This week: WTF is this ability?Now at least it makes sense why it blows them up.

Yeah, blowing them up might have seemed pointless if it was also going to reset time. But now that we know it blows them up on subsequent passes even if he doesn't go anywhere near him, it makes sense.


I also thought, "Wait, but he killed the kid the first time through a previous time loop. If the things that happen to people still happen to them, why is the kid alive?" but then they explained that he can cancel the power before they die again.


Respect for Hayato. That guys a champ.Seriously. The arc has basically become the Big Bad vs. an 11-year-old.

The funny thing is, if he fucks this up, he just has to run up to some random person and tell them about his Dad and they'll explode and he'll get another shot at it. :p

[MFauli]

Well, I´d try to poison his coffeee, seems like the easiest way (ofc this woudnt work in the series, some random event would keep Kira from drinking it, lol). Omg, speaking of stupidity: When EVERYBODY surrounded Hayato and despite each of them surely having memorized the kid they´re looking for, nobody noticed that it was the kid inmidst of them. FACEPALM.

I really like Kira. The second best villain of the season (number 1 is Satou from Ajin). This guy simply gets things done. He made it so that Hayato would always keep luring his opponents in, then involuntarily kill them. That would have been preventable BEFORE Rohan´s death, but now Hayato is pressured into doing something before Rohan´s death, because he doesn´t want him die. And now that the whole group has been killed once, he cant afford to run away, as that would permanently remove all potential enemies of Kira.

Since Hayato was talking about two options of defeating Kira, and killing failed (although couldn´t he just retry the very same method, this time NOT spilling hot coffee over Kira´s arm?), there´s still the option of making Kira stop his new power. This begs the obvious question: Why would Kira undo his power? My guess: Hayato tells his mom. This will, of course, happen after a dramatic lead up, since hayato dearly loves his mom. But Kira doesnt want to pull attention onto his new life, so he cannot afford having his wife die. So he´ll undo the whole thing, giving Hayato a new chance.

Btw. the whole fate-thing is stupid. Why is it that only acts of destruction are bound by fate? If a broken cup happens no matter what, why won´t ALL things happen, no matter what? I´m not seriously complaining since this isnt the kind of show that would pay attention to logic, but it came to my mind during this latest episode. It´s really stupid, lol.

[DarthEnderX]

the whole fate-thing is stupid.Fate will not be denied, no matter how long it takes. :D

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[Buffalobiian]

Episode 37

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Oookay, so firstly:

1) Hayato is ballsy as fuck. Champion

2) Hayato should be dead. Really. He (who got blown up to dust) can't be any less dead than the guy who bled out for 4 minutes.

3) Hayato shouldn't be able to see air bullets that others can't. That's weird

4) Jotaro should really check out those explosions next door.

5) Hayato should just go grab him. He's allowed to tell people shit now.

[DarthEnderX]

Now we see the slight balancing factor of Bites The Dust. It's still the same Stand as Killer Queen. He can't use it to fight with and use Bites The Dust at the same time.


1) Hayato is ballsy as fuck. Champion

2) Hayato should be dead. Really. He (who got blown up to dust) can't be any less dead than the guy who bled out for 4 minutes.

3) Hayato shouldn't be able to see air bullets that others can't. That's weird

4) Jotaro should really check out those explosions next door.

5) Hayato should just go grab him. He's allowed to tell people shit now.Every one of those, absolutely.

If he'd started healing Hayato as he was just starting to explode, I could have believed it, but Hayato was already in chunks when he started. He was already dead. If he could save Hayato, then he should have been able to save the salon girl when she was exploding right front of him.

I also don't understand why Hayato can see the air bullets and Josuke can't.

The other characters being all "I thought I heard Josuke scream...but naaaah." is infuriating. It's more of that Stardust Crusaders level stupidity where characters just ignore weird shit even though weird shit is ALWAYS an enemy stand.

[MFauli]

Nah, it´s the usual level of stupidity, lol. "Hm, that sounded like Josuke. Oh whatever, it´s not like we´re fighting a deadly opponent. Ma ii ..."

Killer Queen (please stop using the shitty sub-names, fuck licensing issues, censorship sucks) is actually not that strong. Kira is lucky that Hayato is the only one who found out about him. Imagine the mother having TWO sons. Killer Queen can only be used on one of them, as we saw, so the only way to stop the second son from spilling the beans would be to kill him ... which would pull attention to his situation again.

Killer Queen´s new ability is like THE perfectly suited ability to help Kira in this specific situation. It´s almost useless in any other situation. Ofc, Killer Queen is still a powerful stand as is, but that new ability isn´t all that mighty outside of specific scenarios.

Btw I find it somewhat annoying that Josuke cant heal himself. That´s a bullshit limitation that lacks any logic. Whatever energy Josuke is using for the healing, it shouldn´t matter if it´s used on him or anyone. And it screws up my fanfic, where Josuke and the entire group are caught up in Killer Queen´s explosion, and we get to watch in slow motion how just as a layer of their bodies is destroyed, Josuke follows it up instantly by healing it. So it´d be like a deadly rip going through their bodies, but never materializing in death thanks to Josuke´s ability. Oh well ;>

[DarthEnderX]

(please stop using the shitty sub-names, fuck licensing issues, censorship sucks)I'm not a manga reader, so I have no idea what the real names are. And I ain't fucking looking them up.


Killer Queen´s new ability is like THE perfectly suited ability to help Kira in this specific situation. It´s almost useless in any other situation. Ofc, Killer Queen is still a powerful stand as is, but that new ability isn´t all that mighty outside of specific scenarios.Completely agree.

I really want to know more about how the arrow works. It seems to have a mind of it's own, it stabbed him when he needed it most, and gave him an exact power to deal with the very specific problem he had at the time.


That´s a bullshit limitation that lacks any logic.Stands never have any logic. They all follow arbitrary rules and limitations.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm not a manga reader, so I have no idea what the real names are. And I ain't fucking looking them up.


The voices say Killer Queen. The subs read Deadly Queen to avoid licensing issues with the song Killer Queen.

(Due to copyright issues I will not be linking you to the song. You may search for it yourself with your favourite search engine)

[DarthEnderX]

The voices say Killer Queen. The subs read Deadly Queen to avoid licensing issues with the song Killer Queen.Wait...so who was he complaining at? Everyone in this thread was using Killer Queen.

[Buffalobiian]

Wait...so who was he complaining at? Everyone in this thread was using Killer Queen.

He's complaining at the English subtitlers.

[DarthEnderX]

He's complaining at the English subtitlers....he knows those are all ripped from Crunchyroll and those subs come right from the companies themself right?

[Buffalobiian]

...he knows those are all ripped from Crunchyroll and those subs come right from the companies themself right?

Yes. He's blaming them, and also the intellectual property system for not allowing them to subtitle actual references.

[DarthEnderX]

Yes. He's blaming them, and also the intellectual property system for not allowing them to subtitle actual references.Ah, okay.

[DarthEnderX]

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Strong finish. Loved everyone coming together to beat him. Backed over by an ambulance is a pretty ignoble way to go out.

But damn, there are so many unsatisfying things about this arc.

So...I REALLY thought Josuke saved himself in the past. The guy in the past doesn't just look exactly like him, he's even injured in the same way Josuke is injured in this episode. It feels like something that was set up, but then the writer changed his mind or something.

No explanation on what that thing in the alley is?

Still not supposed to care that there's aliens?

It's ironic that Kira is exactly the kind of person Okuyasu's brother was looking for. Killer Queen should have been able to finish off his father with nothing left to regenerate(although I'm still not sure why Okuyasu's Stand have done it to begin with...). Though it was funny that the magic healing food didn't transform him back, just make him a healthier, shinier monster.

I did like that Joseph really was faking senility the whole time.

[MFauli]

Oh, gotta write something about the finale, too.

Super great! It sucks that the first half of this season kinda sucked because of the episodic monster-of-the-week style, but ever since Kira showed up, every episode was fantastic.

And Kira is really one of the best villains in anime I´ve ever seen. He´s truly evil, but he´s smart. And the way he was portrayed, showing him in dire situations many times and how he escaped those, made him feel like a hero. An evil hero, if that makes any sense. Usually it´s heroes that encounter these situations where they´re almost done for and then have a smart, creative idea to get away. Here, the bad guy had such scenes. Was really refreshing to see a villain who wasn´t dehumanized. And it was refreshing to have a real villain who murdered women and fetishized their body parts, made it feel more tangible than previous "I´ll conquer the world, you plebs!" villains.

Of course, some things were bad. They REALLY need to un-dumb the heroes a bit. Some of the scenes were absolutely infuriating to witness. Even the final battle should have gone differently if only Jotaro and Co. weren´t dumbasses. "Oh, that sounded like Josuke. Nah, must be my imagination". *around the corner Josuke is fighting for his life* :| I know, part of that is the series´ charm, but scenes like the described were too dumb imo.

Now, there was one story detail that I´d have hoped would have played out differently. At the end, Kira was sent to hell or whatever because the ghost girl tricked him. That was too sugar-cut of an ending. It would have been more interesting if Kira got sent to hell, BUT would have been able to take the ghost girl with him. Would have made the ending more tragic/bitter sweet and I simply think Kira was too awesome to deserve such a leave.

But that´s just my opinion.

Now, when can we expect a continuation? I have no idea how this will proceed. I guess next time Joseph will have died :( But Josuke and Jotaro are too close in age, so I´d expect them to team up. And there´s too many good characters that would need to reappear, too. Will next time be a space story already? After all, nobody´s forgotten the alien, lol.

[DarthEnderX]

I dunno when Part 5 is going to start, but there's apparently some kind of Rohan OVA coming out first.

[DarthEnderX]

FINALLY (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/popular-anime-jojos-bizarre-adventure-is-finally-g/1100-6459957/).

[Buffalobiian]

Great news. Joseph Joestar will always be the best Jostar there ever was, but his descendants are welcome to try beating his badassery.

[Death BOO Z]

late to this thread, just started watching a week ago, i'm now starting part 4 (diamonds) and i thought i should write down my thoughts on the earlier parts before i forget them all.
part1- really great, but too many flimsy characterization, too many of them not doing anything, and a lot of times the dialogue was simply describing what happened on screen.

part2- mostly the same, couldn't speedwagon at least try to throw his hat around? just go through the motions and pretend that it might work. still, many characters that just pop up from nowhere just to be plot devices, and still narrating what happened on screen.

part3- took a downturn, i almost forgot that short series also have filler episodes in them. at least they dropped the part of describing the onscreen occurrences.
But it was mostly a mess of the highest order. characters coming without a reason (the smalll girl that accompanied them), characters going without a reason (why kill the old lady so early and leave us without anyone to talk to DIO?), too much 'stand of the week', which somehow they didn't use to flash out the band.
The most developed character was polenaref (french sword dude), who got to finish his revenge arc, had at least two character traits (toilets and women), got two major relationships with the other characters (guilt over abdul, bonding with Iggy, and also bros with Kakyoein). JOJO was nice to watch at fights (sometimes), but we hardly got to know him as a person (there was only one scene of him displaying actual kindness, and I suspect i'm just reading too much into it). Kakyoein was just there, and then he wasn't, and then he was again, made some speech about an issue we never knew he cared about, and died.
The big problem is the lack of connecting tissue through most of the series, over half of the enemies had nothing special to bring to the plot, and only one time it helped set up something for the future (hol horse and boingo team up, foreshadowing the power of THE WORLD). And for a show that was about saving Holly's life, it didn't seem to care that much about her. I did like that last few episodes.

edit: part 4 is awesome. really loved it. the art was a bit 90's style, and some plot points happened for no reason (joseph showing up, the baby, the hair girl), but it's mostly minor. great characters (jojo4 and okkumatsu were a fabulous delinquent duo), and a great structured story that flowed very well. Of course, it's the villain that made the season, and following his actions for several episodes made the story much more intense. The main thing that I liked was how the story was focused on the town, reminded me of steven king stories. and having some slice of life elements ('the seven wonders of so and so town') made it feel much more intimate. the heros live in the town, go to school, have friends and sorta friends in the town, so having them wanting to protect it is normal.Even most of the enemy stand users didn't seem to be really evil people, just some kids who suddenly have powers and didn't think their actions through and ended up hurting/killing people (I know it sound horrible). and ghost reimi was great at conveying the theme of coming together to protect the city. the kid went from creepy piece of perv shit to the bigget mofo around, kudos.
I also loved the dance themed openings, and after each episode, i noticed something new.

some questions, though.
1. how senile is joseph? i get that some of it is an act, but I don't get the point why he did so.
2. the story about JOJO4 hair, was it just a conjunction by koishi? how did he hear about it?

[DarthEnderX]

To whoever asked "is the bottom panel actually from the jojo4 part of the manga?" in my reputation remarks, there's no way to reply to those, so I'll just do it here.

No, those panels are from Part 3. It's Boingo's manga predicting Jotaro's death. And it's exactly how Jotaro dies years later in Part 4.

[DarthEnderX]

01

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Hot damn! The new Jojo is Dio's kid? What a twist! I guess he boned down with Jonathan's dick.

His stand power is certainly...odd.

[Buffalobiian]

01

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Hot damn! The new Jojo is Dio's kid? What a twist! I guess he boned down with Jonathan's dick.

His stand power is certainly...odd.

I really want to know who the mum is now.

[MFauli]

I didn't quite understand that gut's ability: he said he can make appear anything inside someone's mouth. Does that require contact? Because if not, he's the most overpowered character ever - just makes anybody's head exolode.

[Buffalobiian]

I didn't quite understand that gut's ability: he said he can make appear anything inside someone's mouth. Does that require contact? Because if not, he's the most overpowered character ever - just makes anybody's head exolode.

I don't know how true that is. He grabbed Gio's hand, and an eye appeared inside his fist.
He smacked Gio's face, and fingers appeared inside his mouth.
Also, zippers started appearing where he struck.

I think there's more (and less) to his ability than "I'll make shit appear in your mouth". For one, I bet it requires prior physical contact.

[Death BOO Z]

i'm also watching this season.
i really like having koichi around for the first episode. he's enough of a main character to carry his own plot weight and ordinary enough to be an audience stand-in.

[DarthEnderX]

02

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Freekin' you...

[Buffalobiian]

03

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Return of the Stand Arrow.

And here I thought the whole point of the test was to see whether someone was honest enough about admitting that their flame went out. After all, he did say that trust is more important than ability.

[neflight86]

I half forgot that arrow is what made stands manifest. Actually, there were plenty of people with them who weren't stabbed, weren't there? I remember Dio somehow 'awoke' these powers when he came out of the coffin, but I forgot how everyone else got them. I also remember that the author isn't big on continuity so I won't sweat the details.

I do enjoy how Jojo's bizzare adventue always, since stands became a thing, used the uncertainty of the powers potentially being anything to tease the audience into wondering what kind of messed up powers could cause the phenomenons we see... Sadly, about half the time the explanations/reveals are more detrimental because of how hokey powers were presented as something else, but again, not sweating the details...

[DarthEnderX]

I remember Dio somehow 'awoke' these powers when he came out of the coffinI don't remember that being established.

Both of the arrows in Part 4 came from Dio, so I just assumed that's where he got his stand.

[neflight86]

I think it was when the old Johnathan was explaining to Jotaro in part 3 (season 2) about the threat Dio posed, while mentioning(retconning) the star on his body via a spirit photograph. I think that was somehow linked to why Jotaro's mom got a stand that was slowly killing her... they were awakened to their bloodline or something, hence, the search for Dio began. Again, if I remember right.

[Buffalobiian]

Dio got his stand via arrow, and then all the Joestars got it too because it was technically Jonathan's body.

[Death BOO Z]

he trusts you not to die.

i wonder if Jojo will get a double ability like the other stand users. altough i feel it's too early in the season for him to get a powerup.

[MFauli]

Finally caught up. Gotta say, the character designs are 'haado gay' this time around.

Story gets going slowly but surely. Ofc, it'll be most interesting once Jotaro joins, as well as if Dio is maybe still alive after all.

Spoiler-question, yes or no: Are stands the main modus operandi for all future of the Jojo-story? The first 2 seasons are still my favorites, no stands, just skill and ripples :o Anythimg new being introduced beyond stands?

[shinta|hikari]

Say say say say.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 04

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That was a pretty exciting Stand battle. Koichi acted like a bit of a dick being accusing and all at first, but he was lead to believe Giovana was evil as hell. Guess this is how people get SWAT-ed.

[DarthEnderX]

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Those sure are some....flamboyant fellows. Especially Narancia.

Absolutely no time wasted building a team in this arc!

[Buffalobiian]

So even after learning about Abaccio's stand, I still can't figure out how he peed out of his finger for Giovana at their meeting.

I also don't get the whole double boat thing, but whatever.

[DarthEnderX]

So even after learning about Abaccio's stand, I still can't figure out how he peed out of his finger for Giovana at their meeting.I just assumed he was holding the cup down by his penis, and you only saw his hand because they weren't going to show his dick.


I also don't get the whole double boat thing, but whatever.He can apparently deflate anything like a balloon. So he deflated one boat, wrapped it around the other boat, and then hid in the space between boats.

It's still dumb even after the explanation...

[Buffalobiian]

He can apparently deflate anything like a balloon. So he deflated one boat, wrapped it around the other boat, and then hid in the space between boats.

It's still dumb even after the explanation...

I got what they told us, but had difficulty understanding how that'd physically work, with boats not being simple cutouts and all.

Your piss explanation makes sense. Thanks.

[DarthEnderX]

Flamboyancy intensifies...

[MFauli]

Good episode. Except them torturing the guy was fucked up. Was super gross and cruel. Fuck them. I hope Jotaro arrives and fights ALL.of them. :o

[Buffalobiian]

Agreed. The torture was pretty fucked up.

[DarthEnderX]

Seems like a lot of the GangStar's stands are just weaker versions of previous stands.

Sex Pistols is just a weaker version of Emperor, and Aerosmith is just a weaker version of Bad Company.

[Death BOO Z]

I don't get how they just interject flashbacks randomly into the episode.
half the time it isn't even prompted by some event, it's just ticking the checkbox.

[Buffalobiian]

I agree that it wasn't prompted. It does add an interesting break from the episode's fight, so I didn't mind it.

[DarthEnderX]

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Pretty sure serums are more complicated than that...

[Buffalobiian]

The idea behind Brick has immunity to virus (because it's a brick and has no dividing cells) automatically leading to Snake has immunity to virus (because it's been previously exposed to it) doesn't hold, but whatever.

One of the biggest variables that they needed to pull off was to make sure the mirror dude died before the virus killed Giorno or the bleeding killed Abachio.

[DarthEnderX]

The idea behind Brick has immunity to virus (because it's a brick and has no dividing cells) automatically leading to Snake has immunity to virus (because it's been previously exposed to it) doesn't hold, but whatever.I think the idea was more "Snake was born inside virus, so snake is immune to virus."

But even given that enormous leap, the idea that all you have to do to cure a virus is inject yourself with random fluids from something that's not effected by the virus is a riot.

[MFauli]

I mean, if we're going to talk about bs things, how about the ridiculously short incubation time? But most fictitious stories get this wrong.

[DarthEnderX]

I mean, if we're going to talk about bs things, how about the ridiculously short incubation time? But most fictitious stories get this wrong.Well, I just chalk that up to part of the stand's magic powers.

But Giorno's stand ability isn't "make serums out of animal juice" so I'm less inclined to give that one a pass.

[Death BOO Z]

isn't it 'create life out of imanimate stuff'?
i don't know i a vaccine is life or nonlife, but i'm willing to say 'sure, that seems right'.

[DarthEnderX]

13.5?! Goddamnit this week has sucked!

[Death BOO Z]

seriously, a recap episode? the plot didn't even start!

Maybe it's because of the new year? even though its' 4 days in and japan?

[Buffalobiian]

The last episode was one of the most intense Jojo episodes in a very long time. Mista almost could have died. I remember when they killed fire bird Egyptian guy off in the 3rd series.

[DarthEnderX]

The last episode was one of the most intense Jojo episodes in a very long time. Mista almost could have died. I remember when they killed fire bird Egyptian guy off in the 3rd series.Yeah, but Avdol is kinda the reason I didn't think Mista was actually dead.

[MFauli]

The last episode was one of the most intense Jojo episodes in a very long time. Mista almost could have died. I remember when they killed fire bird Egyptian guy off in the 3rd series.

I foud this episode complete shit, because he SHOULD HAVE been dead. WHY didn't the bad guy kill Mista with his aging ability? How hard can it be to activate it 2 seconds longer? That was so nonsensical.

I generally hate how there's zero planning from the author to make the timeflow feel believable. The first couple jojo seasons were mych better :/

Hopefully this season ends with Jotaro killing Giorno. Which triggers Dio's resurrection from within Giorno's dna. Then Dio kills Jotaro and the season ends, leaving us with a chilling bad end-cliffhanger.

[Death BOO Z]

on the bright side, no pointless flashbacks this episode!

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 16

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One plot hole is that Pesci should have really aged as well. He hasn't had access to ice for some time now.

[DarthEnderX]

Unlike the previous couple arcs, these guys give zero fucks about killing enemies...

Too bad, cause the two were actually pretty cool.

[MFauli]

Damn. I was rooting for the villains in this fight. Loved their brother-like relationship :(



Episode 16

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One plot hole is that Pesci should have really aged as well. He hasn't had access to ice for some time now.

Yeah, I instantly noticed that. Kinda dumb.

[MFauli]

Wouldn't it be better to send a regular assassin to kill them, because stand-users can feel each others' presence?

Just a random thought.

[Buffalobiian]

I thought they were just attracted to each other unwittingly, not that they felt each other.

The child-bearing stand was rather kinky.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 19

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Some of the applications of that ice made no sense.

[MFauli]

This season is specially non-sensical a whole.

[Death BOO Z]

well, at least it's heating up. as long as we don't see any pointless flashback i'm good.

[DarthEnderX]

well, at least it's heating up. as long as we don't see any pointless flashback i'm good.
"Fuck you." -Episode 20

[Buffalobiian]

Hardly pointless. This is backstory.

[DarthEnderX]

If this flashback isn't pointless, then neither were any of the others. As they've pretty much all been stories of how the main characters grew up and joined the mafia.

[Death BOO Z]

they are pointless because they don't effect how the characters behave.
was 1st dude being an ex-cop important in some way? or 2nd dude being a survivor of a murder attempt? 3rd dude being a teen genius who was sexually assaulted? whatever narancais background was?

the backstory wasn't relevant to their introductory episode or to any other episode.

[Buffalobiian]

If you were happy with having the below two facts laid out to us and move on, then sure.

1) Bucciarati has lackeys who will follow him because he's a swell guy, and.
2) Bucciarati / Jojo want the boss dead

I do care less for the other members of the squad, but explaining exactly what drives Bucciarati to overthrow his leader to date gives us insight.

Sure it doesn't change the character's actions. The only way it would is if he had a memory blank up until now, then suddenly remembered how badly he hates drugs. That would be stupid.

[DarthEnderX]

21

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Well, I'd been hearing for years that King Crimson's power was confusing, but it doesn't seem that complicated.

Effectively, it's very similar to The World. Just goes about it in another way.

I think Bucciaratti is really dead. And on some Stand ability is keeping him going. Either Giorno's or Trish's.

[Death BOO Z]

ok, so intro arc is finished, very well.
i'm glad. i'm guessing it's trish.

king crimson is a bit like a power recently (mid-late 2018) introduced in HxH.

[DarthEnderX]

ANOTHER GODDAMN RECAP EPISODE?!

We better at least get a new intro next week.

[DarthEnderX]

22

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I don't think any series in history is as reliant on every character being the dumbest motherfuckers possible as Jojo is.

Even DOGS understand how pointing works Mista!


Edit: Also, Jodeci gets it man.

http://st.cdjapan.co.jp/pictures/l/02/21/UICY-15807.jpg?v=2

[Death BOO Z]

hate it when the OP spoils stuff, they should've stuck with the old one a bit more.
so far, we've seen stands that move through reflections, shadows and now water. although it seems that this one teleports, which is weird.
also, weird bit about vegans in the beginning, but i did like them freaking out and kicking that random dude, and all of the sudden when one of them is bleeding they think he's just fooling around.

but yeah, super dumb, and also weird that he can sometimes control his body and sometimes not.

[Buffalobiian]

Yes, the inconsistent body control is off-putting.

I could accept that he can't write anything down because Mista's pen was used to save his very life (I'm surprised they included makeshift cricoidotomy there).

[Death BOO Z]

I get that shark stand is great for a place like Venice, but is the tongue creature really that much of an offensive stand? sure, it can be good for interrogations, and maybe to make sure your victim doesn't yell, but all in all, it seems weird that someone like that got into the elite guard.

[Buffalobiian]

If the elite guard is about protecting the boss and his secrets then the tongue stand isn't bad. It's very much a setup stand for ruining teamwork. As an individual I agree with you, it doesn't have much offensive power at all.

[Death BOO Z]

is this thing ever going to stop attacking?
and how does one even learn about a stand that only activates under those circumstances?

[DarthEnderX]

is this thing ever going to stop attacking?
and how does one even learn about a stand that only activates under those circumstances?
And after it's done, does the original user come back to life? Cause unless the Stand itself works for the boss, this seems like a Stand that can only be used once.

[Buffalobiian]

As the stand was eating into Giorno it seemed to form some human parts, so I guess it'd regenerate the original user after it kills something.

I don't understand the significance of "Giorno" placing the fingers in the fridge or writing the stand's name on the plane however. Perhaps placing the user's fingers in a fridge was the necessary step in preserving some of the main body, but giving its name away? That hardly seems productive.

[neflight86]

If not for how nonsensical most stand powers seem to operate, the way the author unveils the weirdness and suspense of stand fights like these would be master-class. As it is, I just see the fingers in the fridge, shrug, and look forward to having it explained later because it's reasoning is impossible to deduce.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 25

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I didn't realise Trish was that much of a pussy, but it was so great to see her grow some balls. That said, her stand ability really doesn't explain Buccariti's current state, especially when she clearly didn't awaken it earlier.

Great orgy photo at the end.

[Death BOO Z]

maybe she turned his heart into rubber so he'll keep beating? i dunno, i'm not a doctor.
do all stands talk to their user the first time around? and then shut up forever? what about non human stands, like areosmith? how can a plane talk?

I did like how spiceGirl was alternating between soft well spoken and complete all out trash talking. similar to how trish is.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't think there's much logic to how or whether Stands speak.

[DarthEnderX]

Though it is weird that the two notable characters we see GET their Stands, Koichi and Trish, are the ones whose Stands talk.

[Death BOO Z]

wait, wasn't stardust (jusuke's stand? fast and blue) named by abdul or by joseph?

[DarthEnderX]

wait, wasn't stardust (jusuke's stand? fast and blue) named by abdul or by joseph?
Star Platinum.

And I believe so. It's almost as if the writing in this series is inconsistent!

[DarthEnderX]

26

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Okay, main villain is super weird.

[Death BOO Z]

yep.
I'm going to need an explanation.

[Buffalobiian]

He's got multiple personalities.

The main explanation I want is: who his dad is.

[Death BOO Z]

so this guy is both the son of the boss and holds part of him?
is he younger than trish or older? how was the mother kept alive in the church floor?

I liked the part with the fortune-teller, dude got balls and dedication to the craft.

[DarthEnderX]

The main explanation I want is: who his dad is.Oh man, are we setting up a half-brother vs. half-brother fight!

[neflight86]

This weirdness kept my undivided attention the entire episode, and made me envious of binge watchers of the future.

[Buffalobiian]

so this guy is both the son of the boss and holds part of him?
.

This guy IS the boss.

Basically the boss was born to the prison woman somehow. He's got split personalities. His dumbass persona is how he normally goes around and avoids detection. There's this weird intermediate one where he becomes a bit of a tough guy, and then the 3rd one is the sinister one with full knowledge of Stands etc.

I don't actually now if the intermediate personality is a true personality with its own thought processes, or whether it's just how his behaviour manifests while he transitions from Dumbass to Boss.

The 3rd one is always watching, and interrupts at any time he chooses (or maybe when Dumbass gets stressed out, or both). Dumbass has no idea Boss is inside of him, and just assumes he receives orders via phonecalls.

This Doppio is the Boss of the organisation. Doppio's dad is an unknown right now. Differentials would include someone who was related to the Jotaro family, Dio, or someone related to the Arrow.

[Death BOO Z]

doppio seems to be about the same age as trish.
so another version of 'the boss' must have been around to concieve her.

[Buffalobiian]

This dude's body changes. The 40-year-old-Boss-Doppio is still this one that we're seeing here.

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder if he actually has more than 2 personalities. And I wonder if different personalities can have different Stands.

[Death BOO Z]

the final bit was cool.

[Death BOO Z]

another good episode.

[MFauli]

Once I accepted this season' s weirdness, I started enjoying it greatly.

However, as much As I enjoy it, I can't wait for the end/next season. Because there MUST be more about Giorno, considering he shares Dio's dna/soul. No way that the author won't bring back Dio in some way and I'm excited to see that :o

[Buffalobiian]

I'm afraid it's taken me until this episode to recognise the link between Abbacchio's desire to be a cop and his stand's investigative potential.

I cringed a hell of a lot at Narrancia's crying denial, but I actually do appreciate it. That scene wouldn't have worked without someone flawed and human.

[Death BOO Z]

28.5.
recap episode.

[DarthEnderX]

This is insane. What decade is this?

[DarthEnderX]

29

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FUCK YEAH! Stand lore!

[Death BOO Z]

the whole alien bit doesn't help much. but it is nice to know that there is finite number of arrows and that someone is keeping track.

the going down mold is really confusing, but I guess that's how stands work in this series.

[DarthEnderX]

the whole alien bit doesn't help much.Stands are Jenova!

I actually thought maybe the meteorite was Kars at first, but they said it fell thousands of years ago...

[MFauli]

On a general note: it's fascinating how jojo has turned into such a hype show at this point (imo at least). I remembe really being bored by large parts of jotaro and friends travelling the world. The small town also took a long time until i got into it. And even the beginning of this current arc was so-so.

But now I'm thirsting for each new episode. I like that.

[DarthEnderX]

Meh, this has easily been my least favorite arc so far.

[Death BOO Z]

i'm with darth on this one.
i really liked the small town season (the best in my opinion), and i'm not sure if i prefer this season or the world tour/eygpt seasons. it's a tie.

[Buffalobiian]

This scientific way of explaining Stand Lore doesn't retcon well.

Remember when Joseph Joestar suddenly got his stand because Dio/Jonathan developed stand power? Just because Jonathan's body got infected by a virus from the old woman in Egypt doesn't automatically mean his descendants get Stand Power. If an infected person reproduces then they can pass on the virus like Hepatitis B etc, but it doesn't ignore time/space like that.

As for favourite Jojo arc, it's still Joseph Joestar for me.

[Death BOO Z]

and many stands are naturally occurring, like polanaref (sword guy), or most of dio henchman. or the dog who traveled with them?

and 'alien metal' still doesn't explain why some people get stands and some die.
in short, it's a non-explanation to a question that no one asked.

[DarthEnderX]

It's a virus that infects souls, not blood.

Which is why it infects all of Jonathan's descendants.


Part 2 is still my favorite also.

[Buffalobiian]

It's a virus that infects souls, not blood.

Which is why it infects all of Jonathan's descendants.

Is there anything to support this or is it a hypothesis?

[DarthEnderX]

Which part of it? The souls part, or the Joestar bloodline part? The infects souls thing is my guess. It's a disease that causes you to manifest magic ghost powers. I don't think it's a biological disease.

As for the Joestar bloodline part, that seems fairly self-evident. DIO, Joseph, Jotaro, Holly and Josuke all got Stands/fell ill at the same time. At the time DIO shot himself with an arrow.


and many stands are naturally occurring, like polanaref (sword guy), or most of dio henchman. or the dog who traveled with them?There's no evidence though that those were naturally occurring though.

DIO HAD arrows. All of his henchmen could just be people he shot.

They never say HOW Polnareff or Iggy got Stands. They could have easily been shot, or had family members that were shot. Just because they didn't show you how they got their stands doesn't mean they just happened spontaneously.

and 'alien metal' still doesn't explain why some people get stands and some die.A. It's probably not actually metal. It's probably crazy alien ghost bones or something.

B. As far as why some get Stands and some die, EVERYONE gets a Stand(Holly got her vines, one of the victims in this flashback had some kinda lightning power), just not everyone survives getting one.

As to why, why does any disease kill some people and not others? Some people are tougher than others, some people just get lucky, etc.

[Death BOO Z]

you can't go around mixing disease and magic ghosts! that's not a sentence!
if i remember correctly, it was the old woman who stabbed dio with the arrow, so maybe she also stabbed herself and her grandson before. maybe.
and the oingo boingo borthers, maybe they got stabbed too. we can't be sure they weren't.
and iggy, and that eagle, all got stabbed. and polanerref as wee kid, also got arrow stabbed. there was also dream monster baby, and invisible baby. maybe someone stabbed those babies with an arrow as well?
and wasn't there a pylon stand in the previous season? bet someone stabbed it as well!
I'm not saying that it's impossible, but in terms of story telling, it seems lazy. and if we say 'you can have a stand if someone in your family has a stand', we don't really need this entire thing. Some people have stands, and it runs in the family. the arrow is the exception to the rule, not the common thing. it's not supposed to be make sense, and trying to force the arrow stabs either makes it ridicoulous (as i tried to show above) or doesn't add anything to the table.

but about 'everybody gets stands', in the beginning of this season, we had the fat guy with the candle shadow stand that stabbed people to give them stands. it was supposed to stab whoever had the candle, and if they get stands, great, if not, kill them. how would that work?

[Buffalobiian]

Which part of it? The souls part, or the Joestar bloodline part? The infects souls thing is my guess. It's a disease that causes you to manifest magic ghost powers. I don't think it's a biological disease.

As for the Joestar bloodline part, that seems fairly self-evident. DIO, Joseph, Jotaro, Holly and Josuke all got Stands/fell ill at the same time. At the time DIO shot himself with an arrow.

The souls part. I get the whole Dio/Jonathan thing, I mentioned that in my above post. I don't buy the "infect the souls" idea because the whole virus shebang sounds too biological. However, I do concede that the biological theory can't explain why Joseph got a stand after birth.

@DBZ: The meteorite metal contains a virus which infects people. Once it infects you, you either develop immunity or die. "Immunity" seem to come with Stand Powers. That's what's happening right now. I don't know about this "Viral Evolution" thing. Maybe the virus DNA integrates into your own, and either your body rejects it and you die.. or your body is able to accept it and you then gain special powers. Something like that.

[DarthEnderX]

you can't go around mixing disease and magic ghosts! that's not a sentence!Neither is, "I exploded into fungus because I took a step down." but that's fucking Jojo.

If it makes you guys feel better, I can call it a "curse" instead of a disease. The magic space metal gave them a curse. Is that better?


if i remember correctly, it was the old woman who stabbed dio with the arrow, so maybe she also stabbed herself and her grandson before. maybe.She wouldn't have had to shoot her grandson. He would have gotten a Stand when she was shot.


and the oingo boingo borthers, maybe they got stabbed too. we can't be sure they weren't.Given that they're brothers, it seems more likely their father/mother got shot, giving them both Stands.


and iggy, and that eagle, all got stabbedAnd Part 4 specifically had rats that someone shot, just to see what would happen.


and polanerref as wee kid, also got arrow stabbed. there was also dream monster baby, and invisible baby. maybe someone stabbed those babies with an arrow as well?
And, again, there's also the possibility that maybe Polnareff or those babies weren't shot directly, someone in their family was. If shooting Jonathan's body gave all the Joestar's Stands, then it could have been Polnareff's father or grandfather, etc. that got shot with an arrow that gave Polnareff his Stand.


You cite all these examples skeptically, but keep in mind that pretty much ALL of the Stand users in Part 4 got their powers when one of two people shot them with an arrow.

DIO is ACTIVELY trying to take over the world. He has arrows that give people magic powers, and the ability to mind control people. OF COURSE he's going to go around shooting people with them! Which will lead to a bunch of minions he can exploit for Stands, but also a bunch of unintended family members developing Stands, potentially scattered all over the world.


I'm not saying that it's impossible, but in terms of story telling, it seems lazy.It's less about being lazy than it is about not being thought out ahead of time. Which is, unfortunately, how Jojo is written.

[Buffalobiian]

The whole fungus thing is quite interesting. I went and looked it up, and I still don't quite understand how the fungus actually affects real insects in real life, but it seems to invade their muscles then somehow influence the insect to climb to a higher vantage point, bite down and subsequently starve to death - all while the fungus repairs to spawn from its body and drift into the wind.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 30

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I probably have to breathe that mould in for it to start working on your body (as opposed to contact spread).

For one, Oasis/Sanctuary isn't affected by the mould - and he was also super concerned about his face after getting hit.

[Buffalobiian]

Who guessed that it was going to be old mate Polenareff? I sure as hell didn't.

[DarthEnderX]

I thought going WRYYY was just a vampire thing, but I guess it's genetic.

[neflight86]

Polenareff was a big ol' doof. Surprised he got involved with the mob, somehow, but I always enjoy character reunions, so I'm on board...

[Death BOO Z]

the defintion of 'going down' seems to be very loose..

[DarthEnderX]

32

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Well shit. Some part you had in this Polnareff.

So how many arrow heads do we have accounted for? He sold 5 and kept 1 for himself(which is the one he gave to Polpo). And Jotaro retrieved 2 from Morioh. And Dio had one right?(or I guess 5 at one point) So there's at least 2 more out there?

[MFauli]

Omg, great episode. Wonder who the guy at the end is. Polnareff doesn't lie on the ground anymore, so it almost seemed as if he activated a new power that transformed him? If not, this is obviously an ally ofhis, but who? At first I was thinking 'fuck yes, Jotaro showtime!', but it's obviously not him.

[Buffalobiian]

No clue what's going on, but it's cool and tense so whatever.

It would seem highly unprobably that Polnareff wouldn't contact Jotaro after reviving, so that group of friends must get involved here somehow. Come to think of it, we haven't seen our friend Koichi in a while.

[DarthEnderX]

I do think it's funny how Diavolo looks so normal in all the flashbacks but now he looks like...well...a Jojo character.

The crap with Bucciarati seeing souls is just kinda nonsense.

[DarthEnderX]

33

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Okay so, if an arrow pierces a stand, the stand gets crazy new powers but only as long as it holds on to the arrow?

Seems like going the Kira route of stabbing yourself again and gaining another Stand is the more convenient way to go.

[MFauli]

Prediction: Stands actually ARE the aliens that built the arrows. First they need a host to *exist* again. Then they need to be pierced by the arrow themselves to regain consciousness.

There we have our next epic arc: Rebellion of the Stands - Return of the Ripples!

[DarthEnderX]

Prediction: Stands actually ARE the aliens that built the arrows. First they need a host to *exist* again. Then they need to be pierced by the arrow themselves to regain consciousness.Yeah, but each arrow gives gives a bunch of different people Stands.

Or do all the alien ghosts hang out in one place and every time someone gets stabbed it's like "Now serving number 42" and they go and possess the person?

And, holy shit, are Stands just Scientology?

[MFauli]

Yeah, but each arrow gives gives a bunch of different people Stands.

Or do all the alien ghosts hang out in one place and every time someone gets stabbed it's like "Now serving number 42" and they go and possess the person?

And, holy shit, are Stands just Scientology?

Brain wave compatibility? 🤷*♀️

Anyway, it just reminded me of something, and then I knew. It'd be like Attack on Titan: There, they need a syringe first, then eat a titan. So also a 2-step evolution.

[DarthEnderX]

35

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I bet even though he's switched bodies, he's still sharing a body with one of the heroes.

[Buffalobiian]

35

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I bet even though he's switched bodies, he's still sharing a body with one of the heroes.

That's entirely possible. I think initially that might have been the case, but right now Narancia's body is free. I feel like he did all of that just so he could have a free body to work in again - and hence why Trish felt his soul for one moment as she left the Colosseum.

[MFauli]

Narancia :(

[DarthEnderX]

Eh, the Gang Stars are such dipshits it's hard to get too broken up when they die.

[neflight86]

I didn't feel the emotions, either. None of the characters really got enough development or endeared themselves enough to me (except maybe Mista) to elicit emotion at their death. Jojo characters do mostly share a similar voice and tone such that I've never seen it as a character focused series... it more thrives on its spectacle and suspense/mystery, in my opinion.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 38

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I'm not sure that I read this right, but the logic seems to be:

-I am righteous, therefore what I will for is the truth.

That's pretty game breaking.

[DarthEnderX]

I assume next week is the last episode of the Part, since this week was the SFX version of the OP, I assume next week is just gonna skip the OP.

[MFauli]

Still enjoying this anime greatly. The awakened stand of Giorno's really looks like an alien now. Wonder if an earlier theory turns out true (aliens created the arrows, stands hit by arrows rejawaken aliens that somehow parked their souls).

I'm wondering if the next arc features the afterlife in a big way anyway, because this episode wasn't the first to touch on the topic of 'souls', but it definitely was the most in-your-face appliance of souls. Both Buccarati saying goodbye, and Mista worrying about Trish' soul drifting away.
Exploring the afterlife would allow for some cool shit, like meeting previous Jojos, but also bringing back Dio :o

[DarthEnderX]

I mean, the ghost thing isn't new. We got to see Iggy and Avdol's ghosts way back in Part 3. And Part 4 had a whole important ghost character.

[DarthEnderX]

Fuck! No new episodes until the two part finale on the 28th!

That's not even the right day!

[neflight86]

38 and 39 are out.

I can see why this is supposedly the black sheep of JoJo arcs/parts. I just didn't enjoy it overall as much as other parts. The gangSTARS were generally unlikable, and most characters had to act very stupid/unobservant for the stand battles to garner much tension, which felt artificial. The story felt like it didn't really go anywhere by the end as well. What was Giorno's goal again? Is there any reason Polnareff is a pet now? The flashback arc could have been interesting, if it didn't feel like the biggest ret-con in Jojo history because there was no other foreshadowing about Buchirati's death in the whole arc. It was the kind of thing that was entertaining enough until I looked back on what it revealed and got annoyed.

When Diavolo was experiencing his autopsy in the eternal punishment-no-jutsu, I thought he was time looping to the prison where his mother was impregnated and finally giving life to that old Chuck Norris joke that he must have fathered himself... but not so.

Still looking forward to part six, whenever that comes out, but more in a "I've been watching this for 7 years; might as well check out the new season" kind of way. Maybe my Jojo passion has run its course? It is markedly juvenile, after all. Hope you all enjoy the finale more than I did.

[Buffalobiian]

What was Giorno's goal again?

Become a gangster.

[MFauli]

I loved this whole arc. There was a little slump after at the beginning, but when that had passed, it was great. Especially when the 2nd opening was introduced, which I have never skipped because it made the show feel like a movie.

My favorite thing about this part of Jojo was that I didn't know AT ALL where the story was going. First you have Giorno, who's weirdly connected to both Jojo and Dio, want to become a gangster. Then they have to find Trish. Then Trish is about to be murdered and they have to protect her. Now the mystery of the boss' identity needed to be solved. Then we find out about the boss shizophrenic nature and Bucciarati's odd situation. Then we find out about alien arrows and the boss appears. Unexpected deaths happen and the boss is defeated in a great, creative way.

And now I have no idea what comes next. I love it.

I thought about how most anime suffer from too tightly defined 'goals'. It makes the story progression feel rather formulaic. It's more exciting (imo) when a story is allowed to evolve into something.l totally unexpected. HXH springs to mind constantly introducing new situations that made you question if Gon's still trying to find his dad. A more expected progression can be good, too, but it works better for shorter series. See Death Note where the first half was perfect, but the 2nd half started to drag a bit.

Anyway, Jojo has been my most looked forward to weekly anime, I hope the next part airs doon,

[DarthEnderX]

Seriously! Are they just not gonna explain the woman in the floor at all?! Is that just another "Araki forgot" thing, like time traveling Josuke?


The gangSTARS were generally unlikable, and most characters had to act very stupid/unobservant for the stand battles to garner much tension, which felt artificial.It's SO FUCKING TIRESOME!

Like the 20th fucking time we have the exact same exchange of "I saw something weird." "What? You're talking nonsense." "No wait, somethings happening!!" "What? Like what?" "Oh, nevermind, I guess was nothing."

IT'S NEVER FUCKING NOTHING! Every tiny thing is an enemy fucking Stand! And every time you ignore it, Mista ends up with a bunch of bullet holes in him!

It happened again this episode. "Bucciarati! Don't touch that!" "What? Why? Is it a Stand?" "Run away! Get out of the building!" "Huh? What? Explain it to me first." "You have to get out of here now!!" "But what is that?"

I swear if someone yelled "DUCK!" these motherfuckers would stand there and ask the yeller to explain it.

[Death BOO Z]

DA FUCK?
this stone thing should have been at episode four or five, and have naracninaa, abbracio and buccaraiti instead. then we would have been calling this 'foreshadowing' rather than 'post season filler'.

i'm not sure if i think this is worse than Egypt season, but it's definitely not good. stupid unlikable characters, the traditional slow pace of interactions between them that always is opposite of what the scene requires, and most of all, a lack of purpose. the whole thing is more suited to be introductory arc, rather than the whole story.
i have no idea what the characters would do if the boss didn't decide to kill trish, or if she wasn't revealed. did jojo have a plan what to do once he was in the gang? was it always the plan to kill the top dogs? why did we tie them to the previous jojos if they never come to interact again? what was the point of fugou if he didn't get a closure?

do i know now more about the jojo lore than earlier? no. i've got more questions. are they interesting questions? also no.

[MFauli]

Lol, so once again I'm the only one who likes an anime. :D Oh well.

[DarthEnderX]

DA FUCK?
this stone thing should have been at episode four or five, and have naracninaa, abbracio and buccaraiti instead. then we would have been calling this 'foreshadowing' rather than 'post season filler'.Uh, no, that wouldn't be foreshadowing. That'd be straight up telling you everything that's going to happen, and I don't need that thanks.

This is less post-season filler and more giving you a nostalgic scene of the Gang-Stars together before they died.


Lol, so once again I'm the only one who likes an anime. :D Oh well.I don't dislike Jojo. I just find that one particular aspect really frustrating and repetitive at this point in the series.

These people and their treatment of Stands borders on the level of Shaggy and Scooby still not realizing that every horrible monster is just an old man in a mask.

[MFauli]

Everynody should get to enjoy this :D

https://youtu.be/z5NOH2dEv_s

[DarthEnderX]

And I did!

[Death BOO Z]

and so did I!

[DarthEnderX]

The first 13 episodes of Part 6 just dropped all at once.

01

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This prison has the laxest dresscode ever.

[DarthEnderX]

12

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Ooh! Are they gonna bring Dio back?!

[MFauli]

Wait. The new season with the female Jojo is out already? And everything at once?!

Sigh. As can be seen with this thread, this netflix-style release kills all hype :/

[Death BOO Z]

watched it.
as all JoJo, it was increably stylish and profoundly silly.

the not-a-ghost kid was probably the most uncanny looking thing in the series history

[Buffalobiian]

I'd say this feels like one of the better Jojo runs.

Kujo (who the fuck changed the spelling anyway) Jotaro should be able to apply reason in combat anyway and function rather well once his Star Platinum is back. He'll lack the lore and experience, but Jojo Intuition goes far.

Anyway, so the sleeping melting shit in the Visitor's Room wasn't really explained in the end.

[DarthEnderX]

Anyway, so the sleeping melting shit in the Visitor's Room wasn't really explained in the end.I thought it was part of White Snake's stand.

[Buffalobiian]

I thought it was part of White Snake's stand.

I wasn't so sure.

It's just so different to memory eject, and he hasn't used it since.

[DarthEnderX]

It's just so different to memory eject, and he hasn't used it since.Ponderance: Can he use more than one Stand disk at a time? If so, maybe he was using 2 powers.

[Buffalobiian]

Oh yeah. Forgot that can actually use powers he steals instead of just making grunts.

[neflight86]

Little late, but I just got around to it.

That's pretty Jojo, alright.

Aside from being altogether too fabulous, this series excels at putting the characters in no-win states that require some truly mind (and logic) bending happenstance to escape. It was always entertaining, and the horror-like elements continue to amuse.

The character designs themselves have gone waaay more over the top than ever before. Not costumes/outfits, but I'm talking full on elf ears, horns, and other cranial deformities, by the looks of it. Araki just can't be constrained by the limitations of the human form anymore, it seems.

[MFauli]

Stone Ocean episode 1:

Wtf is wrong with these character designs?! The lawyer is straight up a goblin. And then at the end there's that small guard that also looks like some monster.

Not a fan of Jolyne's ability, seems too powerful. Extremely versatily and super long reach. Feels like she could just sit in her cell and kill everyone in the prison, then grab the keys to her cell with a thread and leave.

[MFauli]

episode 9:

ok, that was a bad episode. The whole time they take soooo long to throw the ball. And then at the end Jolyne had no trouble throwing a 1000 times in an even more difficult way. Turned everything before that scene into needless drama/filler. Tbh the entire episode could be removed, since it has no connection to any bigger plots.

[MFauli]

Done with the 12 episodes.

So far this is, unfortunately, the worst season of Jojo imo. Although it's basically on par with the first half of the Kira-season and the first half of the travel-the-world season, so maybe the second half will greatly improve my final impression of this season.

I can't help but feel that this is so awfully small-scale. A prison as a fixed location just isn't that exciting. Then there seems more bs to happen that I'm used to from even the Jojo-anime. That fight against the zero-gravity guy, just how much blood do Jolyne and Weather Report have?! And then at the end she takes two gun shots to the stomach and lives?! But not only that, stays conscious and fights of the frogs and White Snake? Meh.

My problem with the Golden Wind-season was that it was so completely detached from the Jojo-family and the Dio-arc, but at least it built up to being utterly epic and had kinda likeable characters. Stone Ocean has a connection with the Jojo-family, but the whole plot so far just feels so low-key, it's not very exciting. The whole premise of the fantastic, unbeatable Jotaro, and then he goes down that easily? Meh again.

Having said all that, it was still enjoyable, so there's that.

[DarthEnderX]

Low stakes?! That guy might be bringing back Dio!

[MFauli]

Low stakes?! That guy might be bringing back Dio!

and hopefully he succeeds, because this series really needs him.

[Buffalobiian]

My main problem with this prison arc is that no one needs to hang arround prison bar the priest. Everyone else is powerful enough to leave with little repercussion. I doubt the priest would manhunt you across the globe. If he wanted his subjects to stay in prison so much, then he'd better keep an eye on the remaining ones instead of chasing the leaver.

The prison setting is kind of cool though.

[MFauli]

Just watched episode 4 of part 2 of Stone Ocean. This isn't new in this episode, but it was the worst offender here: Damage means nothing anymore it seems :/ We saw Jolyne take terrible damage, especially the punch combo near the end, but somehow she just got through that and beat the guy in the end.

It just doesn't feel satisfying when battles are this artbitrary. It makes the whole part before the conclusion meaningless.

So far, I have no idea why so many call Stone Ocean the best Jojo-arc. I'm all for a female Jojo and I like Joylne, but the story she gets is awful.

[DarthEnderX]

So far, I have no idea why so many call Stone Ocean the best Jojo-arc.I have never heard anyone say that.

[MFauli]

I have never heard anyone say that.


What do you expect me to reply to that?

[DarthEnderX]

What do you expect me to reply to that?
https://c.tenor.com/be9gaBFH1dYAAAAC/kirk-mccoy.gif

[neflight86]

Just finished part 2, and I'm surprised I didn't see (expect) it not finishing in these twelve eps.

I don't know what it is, maybe the dreaded "Twin Towers" syndrome of starting and ending in the middle of an arc, but this really felt like spinning wheels to me. Of course things happened and we are presumably out of the prison now, but the whole thing was entertaining, but just not very interesting. I struggle to discuss any plot elements, but rather would like to dissect what Jojo is to me as of right now.

I don't know if this drive for horror spectacle is or has been the intent of Jojo for a while now, but it's starting to lose me. In the early era of stand Jojo, the stands themselves had fairly straightforward powers that were somewhat limited by how physically strong they were or how far away they could operate from their owner, giving some sense of balance to them. That no longer appears to be the case, for better or worse. A minor annoyance, as the real issue I take is that the trademark bizarreness has become firmly forced in my eyes. Random things happen and arbitrary explanations crop up later to 'justify' them, if they even attempt at all. Of course supernatural powers are going to break apart logically at some level, but the abilities and limitations are just becoming nonsensical as much as they are bizarre.

That leads to the fights looping into a formula of "something strange happens", "we realize we have fallen into a trap", "everybody calls each other idiots for struggling in that trap", a "false escape into despair", and "some ham-fisted stroke of luck or tactic saves the day". That has always been the basic structure of a post-hamon Jojo fight, but when we have no actual concept of the breadth or limitations of these powers, we are expected to simply turn off our brains and accept whatever the author tells us at face value about what's going on. This leads to characters saying (shouting) some pretty banal exposition in nebulous 'anime-time' where the seconds between life and death can transpire one half episode. Since the characters all share the same hyper masculine 'voice' (even if their designs become evermore effeminate), there is no one to connect with or care about, and the tension resides in the spectacle alone, or reveling in the absurdity of it- for the memes, if you will.

Let me put it this way: What do you remember the most about your favorite Jojo fights since... part 3 or so? It is likely the spectacle of the turnaround victory, not the beginning discovery or 'you sprung my trap, bakka!' portions which make up so much of each encounter. Everything builds up to the last saving twist, but that has become rote and much less engaging.

I hope the change of setting and re-introduction of Dio's menace might let this finish on a stronger note.

[MFauli]

I was shocked when I realized there's gonna be a part 3, ugh :/ Really not looking forward to another 12 episodes of this quality.

And I agree with neflight, the focus of Jojo has become something I don't enjoy anymore. The anime has become bizarre for being bizarre's sake, even at the cost of coherent storytelling. The thing is, it couldn't be more of a contrast following Golden Wind. Now don't think I'm saying GW is guilt-free of over-bizarre shit. But ultimately it managed to drive a story forward, going from place to place, and the battles ultimately made sense and were fun to watch. When I think of battles like in the train against the "brothers" or the mirror battle. And then the slow build-up to meeting the final villain. Superb.

Of course, there were weaker seasons, too, like half the world travel-arc and half the small town-arc were boring as fuck. But Stone Ocean most of the time feels like random shit happening AND everyone involved comes off as a total idiot. So much screaming because another trap was activated or someone realizes something, "WAAAaaaaaa!". If Joseph wa alive, we'd hear his "OH MY GOD" like a dozen times each episode.

Since neflight asked the question "what is Jojo for you?", I'd like to answer: My favorite seasons still are season 1 and 2, with Golden Wind being third. The reason is that there was a constant, perceivable escalation of powers. Things were bizarre, but it didn't feel like bs out of nowhere most of the time. And then, ofc, there were much more memorable villains (and friends). The problem imo is that the anime never managed to flesh out everyday life in this world. Even the smalltown arc didn't take time to just show us these characters' lives enough. When dramatic, effect-overloaded scenes follow up one after the other, it loses its effect on the audience and becomes tiresome, boring even.

There's, ofc, also the core issue that Dio is THE villain of the series, and that's what makes it hard to write the story: On one hand we all want Dio back, on the other hand he'd become lame if he appeared in every season, only to be defeated again. It'd be like Ganon.

My hope for SO part 3 is that it actually ends with a "bad end" and Dio's re-awakening. It'd be the worst case if Dio awakened early in part 3 and then was defeated by Jolyne and Jotaro again, ugh. If that happeneed I'd probably be done with the series. The only way to keep a villain fresh is by letting him win sometimes. And aren't there several other Jojos alive concurrently that could take over even if Jotaro and Jolyne are killed? Giorno should be a mafia boss. Smalltown-Jojo (forget his name) is younger than Jotaro and he's a muscle head, so he could probably replace Jotaro. And then there's his small friend who also got a stand and is still alive. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for.

[DarthEnderX]

Still only flashback Dio. Hopefully in part 3.

[MFauli]

Part 3 is newly released, right?

[DarthEnderX]

Part 3 is newly released, right?No, it came out in, like....December.

[MFauli]

No, it came out in, like....December.

That's what happens when you guys don't post about it :/

[DarthEnderX]

I haven't gotten around to watching it yet. Just wasn't in a Jojo mood.

[DarthEnderX]

Okay. I watched it.

Part 6 - Part 3

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That was a real wtf ending. I know that Part 7 is some kind of reboot, so I guess now I know why.

I did geek out when Roundabout hit though.

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So pretty much every final boss since they introduced Stands had a time stand:

3 - Stop time
4 - Loop time
5 - Remove time
6 - Accelerate time

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I noticed that Weather Report got a Stand because Pucchi used the arrow on himself. Which kind of confirms my theory that the arrow's power travels through bloodlines. And the reason all the Joestars got Stands back in Part 3 is because Jonathan's body was pierced by the arrow.

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I gotta say though, I don't think I enjoyed this series much in Parts 5 and 6. Like, it just keeps getting weirder, but doesn't get...better, ya know. And Jojo's overblown sorta badness is charming at first when you can just be like "Well, this was written in the 80s." But once you're in the 2000s it's like "These characters should be less stupid by now. This guy's been doing this for 30 years."

[MFauli]

I'm still far from finishing it. Stone Ocean is easily the worst Jojo arc. The part 3 is so uber bad. Abilities are so wtf that I don't understand what's going on anymore and victory/loss feels entirely random.

Really hope the next arc returns to the level of Golden Wind or even the first two seasons. Tell me the abilities of a character and then write a fight based on those without any bs.

[DarthEnderX]

Spoilers for for the end:

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Disappointed Dio didn't return. REALLY thought that's what they were setting up.

Also, lul, Jotaro only knows one way to die:

https://i.imgur.com/q9mreIX.jpg

[neflight86]

“Orange is the new Jojo” goes to you-know-who: While not the most interesting thing that aired this season, it remained a constantly entertaining spectacle, though the viewer is mostly just along for the ride as the powers and fights use such fluid logic as to be rightly unpredictable by the audience. It’s the most Jojo thing since the last season of Jojo, and the female Jojo has roughly zero impact on how things play out, if anyone was wondering.


Jojo’s Bizarre Adventures: Stone Ocean part 2 gets the ‘two towers’ award: Like I detailed in its thread, Jojo has, as of this season, transitioned from an dynamic action adventure to a static institution. Specifically a meme factory. There is no tension as there are no indications that the characters are in any real narrative danger despite the show going out of its way to craft specific horror styled scenarios for the cast to overcome while yelling at each other. Not enough plot progression to satisfy, and leaving off on a transition in setting is the only thing it's got going for it right now. Many shows decline over time, so I shouldn’t be surprised, but it's unfortunate to see Jojo do likewise; hopefully this is just a slump.


JoJo Stone Ocean Part 3 gets the ‘DMV’ trophy immortalizing what a massive waste of time it was. Jojo has certainly been stretched thin over the last part or two in that the stand powers are just getting more and more ridiculous and esoteric in their premises. Being supernatural is the only justification there is for how nonsensical these things have wound up being. Out of the prison, the cast finally tries to settle the score with the big bad at Cape Canaveral while battling more goons of the week. I’ve said it before and it has finally become true here: you can be weird, crass, juvenile, and disjointed, but you can’t be boring. The confrontations themselves had been passable on spectacle alone until now, but the powers were mostly meta conceptual in nature and I can’t even follow what is going on anymore because the story is so strained to escalate. Why is a spoon in a hole transporting Joylene into the memory of an airplane? What does gravity have to do with reaching heaven? Cap it off with a eons heat-death time loop joke from Futurama? Thanks, but I’m good.

As I complained about over the last year, I think the whole part six was one big misstep. The author's need to escalate the powers and villains has long since passed comical proportions. The supporting cast was also pretty weak, or rather, has always been from a character perspective as these folks could have been switched out with the ones from part five and I'd expect their fights to play out just as... bizarre. The last supporting cast that felt like it had any personality was probably part 4 which was, ironically, mostly kids. If next series is a reboot, I'm all for it resetting to a lower scope where the laws of space and time don't have to be abstracted to make battles even possible with these god-like powers.

[MFauli]

Remember when Jonathan Joestar's powers were ripples? Good times.

[Buffalobiian]

Finished Ocean Stone for the sake of it.

I don't know if weekly releases would have made it more interesting or not with discussions. I just had to stop thinking and let the story play out.

Part 2 is my favourite definitely. 6 is my least favourite, and the rest I move up or down depending on mg selective memory and mood. Funnily enough I remember Part 4's antagonist being Kira but I had forgotten who the main Jojo of that arc was until I looked it up.