Nisemonogatari

[Marik]

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Genres: comedy, psychological, supernatural

Plot Summary: A sequel to Bakemonogatari. A black swindler Kaiki Deishuu, who once deceived Hitagi, returned to the town and spreads the incantation, which cursed Nadeko before. Koyomi's sisters Karen and Tsukihi try to capture Deishuu but... -anidb


Crunchyroll announced on Tuesday that it will stream the Nisemonogatari anime series as it airs in Japan. The anime about the "Fire Sisters" Tsukihi and Karen Araragi, who also appeared in the earlier Bakemonogatari novel and anime, will premiere on January 7. (The original Nisemonogatari novel serves as a sequel to Bakemonogatari.) The show will begin streaming on Crunchyroll at 12:30 p.m. EST. It will be available in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand.
Crunchyroll to Simulcast Nisemonogatari Anime (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-01-03/crunchyroll-to-simulcast-nisemonogatari-anime)

Hrmm, to HorribleSubs or wait...

[Sapphire]

You probably will only have to wait 10 hours for 8th's version.

[Marik]

You probably will only have to wait 10 hours for 8th's version.

He dropped it. http://8ths.in/2012/01/03/nisemonogatari-status/

[Archangel]

Don't care, UTW is doing it.

[Kraco]

If it's anything like Bakemonogatari, it would be a stretch to expect commercial subs do it full justice. Sure you would be able to watch it like any normal show, but all the crazy stuff requiring pausing will most likely be absent. But who knows, maybe Crunchyroll will surprise and HorribleSubs through some miracle keep it intact.

Having said that, I'd rather wait for a real subber.

[Archangel]

No way is HS subbing the signs.

[Marik]

http://utw.me/2012/01/07/about-nisemonogatari/


After some deliberation with the involved staff last night, we’ve decided to hold out working on Nisemonogatari until the Blurays, regardless of the quality of Crunchyroll subs.

While we did work on simulcasted shows in the past, the reasons for doing them have always outweighed the reasons not to. With Gosick, Crunchyroll provided no 720p version; with Fate/Zero, the streams were 360p and hardsubbed. In both cases, the total work involved wasn’t too bad, either.

Neither is the case with Nisemonogatari. Crunchyroll will be providing 720p video and subs about an hour after airing, and the work involved in subbing such a series is astronomical. We’d probably end up releasing up to 24 hours after airing, which makes the venture all the more pointless when speedy rips at 720p resolution will be available so quickly. Not to mention that this would be by far the smartest decision in terms of preserving our sanities; we’d probably burn out a few weeks into the show working under such demanding and pointless conditions.

So rather than doing all the work twice, we’ve decided to hold out until the BDs and do a spectacular job on those. Sorry to disappoint those of you who were looking forward to following Nisemonogatari with us, but unfortunately our lives do come first.


I'll be waiting for BD releases then.

[Archangel]

I won't be able to wait though... lets hope crunchy brings their A game.

[Kraco]

Hmm... Just like the trailers made me think, I still don't know what to expect from this show, except for the obvious heavy dialogue and a bit more clever fanservice. But it was made clear Fire Sisters will feature more prominently like was promised. The very beginning baffled me for a while, but it must be related to some case later revealed and Senjougahara wanting to keep Arararagi out of it. Pretty interesting she likes to play games like that considering she was almost restrained and raped in the past... Oh, well, I guess it works as a therapy for her and Araragi won't mind as long as it's Senjougahara.

Araragi is showing quite deep characterisation here. It's good of course he's not only a wannabe hero saving anybody in trouble and a Senjougahara fanboy - now he's also a genuine pervert. I almost fear what the combination of this perverted directing and the perverted Araragi will produce when he finally reaches Nadeko - assuming he ever will.

[Archangel]

I missed this so much...

[Sabrac]

For those of us who just can't wait....

Horrible Subs Release:
http://animekyun.com/airing/nisemonogatari/Nisemonogatari-01.html

[shinta|hikari]

I never really liked Hachikuji before (believe it or not), but this episode made me change my mind. Now she beats Nadeko, but is still below Kanbaru, mainly due to the ero promo vid that I watched a while ago.

Hanekawa is way above that because of Kizumonogatari.

Senjougahara is not even on the scale because, well, watch the first few minutes of Nise.

[Alhuin]

The moment of truth where I have to decide if I want to wait for the BDs, or watch a sub-par fansub.

Someone convince me that HS aren't as bad as they used to be.

[Buffalobiian]

The moment of truth where I have to decide if I want to wait for the BDs, or watch a sub-par fansub.

Someone convince me that HS aren't as bad as they used to be.

It's pretty well subbed with signs and all. The image isn't very sharp though. I remember Bake being better in that department.


I never really liked Hachikuji before (believe it or not), but this episode made me change my mind.
Having the slow paino version of Hachikuji's OP from last season helped. I didn't like Hachikuji that much early last season due to her noisy, original OP2 - but she's the closest "friend" character that Araragi has. He literally goes all out when he's around her, and she's on the same idiotic/fun scale to match him.

I was pretty detached from it all during the first half of the episode, despite it featuring Hitagi of all people. It may have been the need to adjust to the pace, or the image quality.. or that it took till the 2nd half to actually talk about something of substance (Araragi's problems).

[Archangel]

Episode 2:

Leave it to Shaft to have a show that's 50% fanservice and is still the most interesting watch i had all week. Kanbaru aside, was Senguku always that huge a slut?

[Kraco]

Sengoku felt almost like a different character - until her mom got back home at which point she returned somewhat to the old one, even if she still seized the opportunity to attack Arararagi physically. But let's not forget she totally wanted to appear more than half-naked in front of Araragi already in Bakemono.

Kanbaru was her old self, though. I never found it easy to judge the type and level of attachment she has for Araragi, but I suppose this episode revealed at the very least it's not all platonic nor faked for the sake of Senjougahara, and she isn't above touching a male body. I'm not sure if that's something Senjougahara would find positive or not, considering she's supporting Araragi to stay in contact with Kanbaru.

Fire Sisters are still kept on the backseat despite this show being about them, but I don't necessarily mind. Their relatively low level of exposure goes well hand in hand with the bare trickle of information Koyomi has of their activities and also the, so far, slow pace of their investigations. So, the little screentime accentuates the fact we, or Koyomi, don't know what they are after in their hero game.

[Buffalobiian]

LINKS PEOPLE!!

Horriblesubs - Episode 02 (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=276528)

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I'm not sure if it's the show or me that's lacking focus. Nisemono so far feels really different to Bakemono. Bakemono's arcs centred on the problems of one girl and had Araragi try to solve them. The solving took around 3 episodes. Nisemono has Araragi pretty much seeking the problem himself.. and is taking forever to find it. That allows time for some older characters to make some appearances, but doesn't go down well for those who were expecting the solid pacing of Bakemono to carry itself into the second series.

Nadeko was like a completely different character, yes. This was also the first time they've had a one-on-one in their own room though... At least she realises she looks like a pervert to others, haha. (It was interesting to see how much that scene was similar to a doujin that I read).

Most of the Kanbaru stuff went over my head even though I don't hate her as a character or anything.

Once again I'm disappointed at Horrible's video quality. Not only the sharpness, but the vividness of the colours. It's so washed out and mellow that it really doesn't make an up-front presentation to grab my attention - putting me into a laid-back, slightly uncaring mode.

[Kraco]

Episode 3 - HS (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=278402)






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After this is feels like the story purposefully appeared little more than fanservice for two eps and even the beginning of this ep to suddenly drop the bomb. The plot feel several hundred percent more complicated now. It's still premature to say how Fire Sisters are connected to this con man, assuming he is a con man and not simple furthering his own separate agendas, or if they are at all.

Senjougahara's dual personality appeared nicely between lecturing to Araragi and talking to Hanekawa (if that was true). Seems like Araragi is for sure receiving the sharp end of it. Well, I enjoyed all of it. It's such strange and exaggerated theater.

[Archangel]

I liked the cellphone scene, it shows how Senjougahara only truly acts like herself around the ones she loves.

I wouldn't go so far as to call the precedent events filler, the series thrives on its characters so knowing more about them can only be a good thing. This especially since there's hardly any interaction between them besides Araragi + girl.

[shinta|hikari]

Some of Araragi's cool vampirism FTW. I really can't wait for Kizumonogatari.

Dere Gahara, *moe dies*

BTW, this needs a new thread. This show is Nisemonogatari.

[Kraco]

Episode 4 - HS (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=281170)






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Well, well, well. I don't know where to begin, even though I'm not going to say much. I actually like Hanegawa better with this hair style. She looks cuter and sexier this way, and way less formal. I also felt like her personality was also likewise different, even if it wasn't a result of a changed style. It's hard to judge at this point how this whole hero business started. Were they all like that before or did Hanekawa start it by helping Arararagi. Nevertheless, she likely did it willingly back then, so it makes sense she would now help Fire Sisters. Those sisters are now getting a lot of flesh around their bones, all the way to the Yuno like scene of returning with a knife.

Shinobu suddenly talking and interacting so humanly and much was, that's a nobrainer, the real highlight of the episode. It could have been a bit convenient she had heard from Oshino about the bee... But why not. Assuming she was telling the truth. I'd guess she was.

I'm loving this show. A fine second season to Bakemonogatari.

[shinta|hikari]

I don't understand why they did not release Kizumonogatari before this. It would make a lot more sense (both logically and story-wise) if they did.

Was that half an episode of gap moe mode Shinobu loli fanservice? I don't remember all of it after passing out due to blood loss while watching.

*works on new sig*

[Archangel]

I see a new avatar and sig set in Shinta's future.

I wish i was a more eloquent man, as it stands i honestly have no words to express how much i truly love this show.

Edit: FFFFFF, too late on the sig comment >_>

[shinta|hikari]

Moving on to a more serious topic, I actually don't like the new Hanekawa. It makes her come off as... arrogant. The change is also so drastic that I am having trouble linking her to the old Hanekawa.

As to why she cut her hair, I am guessing it's because she was dumped. Seems like a common reaction in Japan (or from an otaku's POV, anyway).

So, Gahara does not know that Hanekawa already confessed, and is threatened enough by her that she is willing to concede (something amazing for Gahara) just to prevent a confession.

[Archangel]

She hasn't actually confessed yet, the cat just spilled the beans.

I never really cared much for Hanekawa, she always gave off an arrogant "know it all" feel yet lacked Senjougahara's charisma and shamelessness to pull it off.

[shinta|hikari]

I never liked her in Bakemonogatari. Kizumonogatari changed my mind about Hanekawa. It is funny how Nisemonogatari changed it again, this time making me view her much worse than ever before.

Araragi needs to man up and take control of his harem.

[Buffalobiian]

I don't understand why they did not release Kizumonogatari before this. It would make a lot more sense (both logically and story-wise) if they did.

I thought the movie was released in Japan already. (edit: I guess not...)

I don't like the new Hanekawa neither. She might know things before, but was more modest and kept it to herself. Now it's a bit too much in-your-face-and-rubbing-it-in.

Despite this though, I do like how Hanekawa has a bit of an upper hand on Senjougahara in terms of the whole confessing thing. It's a nice weak-spot on the otherwise (apparently) fearless Hitagi. A very important part of this is that Hanekawa should know herself that it's just a bluff. Araragi will never change his partner. All this accomplishes is a bit of Hitagi-soft-service to show how much Araragi matters to her.

The fire sisters were hero-wanna bees (sorry, I bit my tongue) before any involvement with Hanekawa. As Araragi said though, they weren't very competent. Hanekawa's brains got them somewhere now.. but Karen just got screwed over by her incompetence when she approached the boss-fight in the end anyway.

edit: in light of recent developments, I'm going to wait for the BDs now. Both to see Kizumonogatari first, and to see a crisper picture with more colour saturation. These raws haven't been doing the show justice IMO.

[Kraco]

Episode 5 - HS (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=283896)




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The con man is quite an interesting character. Of course pretty much everybody in this show has good lines and thus he's no exception as such, but still he has formidable integrity for somebody doing business as petty as selling charms to middle schoolers. Karen's meeting with him also demonstrated how Koyomi was 100% correct about this opinion on the Fire Sister's fight against injustice. In the beginning I thought he was just subjectively talking as a big brother and from the higher place of a real aberration and a minor expert, but after this episode it's quite clear he did really know his sisters. Karen might have been the one invading the con man's base, but just like Kaiki said, she was even too stupid to have achieved that by herself, and consequently Kaiki was in complete control of that confrontation. She was really only playing a hero game.

Other than the more deep aspects of the plot, the classic scene of Araragi's towel falling (why the hell was he even sticking to such a lack of an outfit with Hanekawa still in the house?) and the useless breast grabbing ticket were funny.

I'm looking forward to the beginning of the next ep to see Karen's reaction to the last scene.

[Archangel]

All the fanservice is starting to get on my nerves, i can take it in small doses in between funny sketches and some character development to go along with it but this shit it getting ridiculous.

Incest is not cool man, it's weird >_>

[Archangel]

[HorribleSubs] - Episode 06 (1080p) (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=286195)

Tsunderes done right, the anime.

[Kraco]

Weird poses done right, the anime.

But yeah, it was nice to watch Araragi embarrass Senjougahara. By (unfortunate) modern standards she's mainly a self-proclaimed tsundere, but she did show some stronger signs here. Not to mention Shinobu, of course, though if I call Senjougahara self-proclaimed, Shinobu should be called self-made. No doubt this display was also but a result of the weird relationship and coexistence those two have.

[Archangel]

Speaking of weird relationships and coexistences, how the hell does cat boobs have Senjougahara eating off the palm of her hand like that?

[Archangel]

My bro Araragi finally got laid, i should drink a beer in his honor or something.

[shinta|hikari]

He did? I thought they just made out.

I can't believe Araragi just let that middle aged bastard off without hitting him at least once. If he summoned Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blade it would have been easy to teach that little shit a lesson.

90% of this anger I am feeling towards that creep is because Gahara actually liked him. I can't believe I am feeling more jealous than the fictional boyfriend of a fictional character, no matter how awesome she is.

[Kraco]

At least post a link to the episode... We shouldn't allow morals to degrade that much.

Episode 7 - HS (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=288608)





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Based on Senjougahara's words alone, Archie should be right, but considering her personality and past actions, I unfortunately would predict Shinta's interpretation to be correct.

I wasn't overly surprised Kaiki walked away without a scratch (aside from his phone). In the first place, Araragi doesn't seem to be much of a fighter. His words to his sisters always suggest he could kick ass, but in reality he can barely beat Mayoi. In my opinion this tells more about his mindset than any potential he should have from the vampire background, dojo background, and whatnot. He simply doesn't like to fight at all, even though he seems to like getting beaten to a pulp by girls... With a personality like that, it would be a long stretch to assume him to attack Kaiki to teach him a lesson. It's too bad this left the taste of a small contradiction compared to the Nadeko arc in Bakemono, where he anguished over letting the snake to escape and thus possibly hurt someone else. But maybe he really learned his lesson back then.

[Archangel]

Novels confirm it, they fucked.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm surprised Araragi is not ecstatic. That is probably what threw me off the most. Maybe that will be addressed in the next episode.

Araragi is probably absurdly strong even now. Shinobu is a part of him, after all. I guess he really is just a softhearted self-sacrificing masochistic pacifist.

[Xelbair]

If you want to see how strong he is read Kizumonogatari - prequel to bakemonogatari.

[shinta|hikari]

I have. We are talking about this current strength.

[Kraco]

Episode 8 - HS (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=290691)






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I don't even know what to say anymore.

[Archangel]

Fap fap fap?

[NeoCybercoin]

That's one strange fetish.

[Idealistic]

hmmm.... Now when I recommend anime to friends, I can only recommend Bake and not Nise.

[shinta|hikari]

I wonder what happened after they cut the rest of round 2.

[oyabun]

They got "Closer" (http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/549/If%20you%20know%20what%20I%20mean..png). :D

[Archangel]

They got "Closer" (http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/549/If%20you%20know%20what%20I%20mean..png). :D
Sexual intercourse.

[Marik]

Anime of All of NisiOisin's Monogatari Novels 'Officially' Green-Lit (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-04-07/anime-of-all-of-nisioisin-monogatari-novels-officially-green-lit)

NisiOisin's Upcoming Monogatari Anime Works Outlined (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-04-09/nisioisin-upcoming-monogatari-anime-works-outlined)

[Uchiha Barles]

Is anything that happened in this series past episode 7 even part of the novel?

[shinta|hikari]

They should all be faithful adaptations, so even though I have not read it, I think so.

[Archangel]

Is anything that happened in this series past episode 7 even part of the novel?
It's all canon, including the tooth brushing.

[Uchiha Barles]

Well, I didn't like the last arc of the series. Weird mutual sibling molestation is weird, and that fight against Yodzuru was just...more of him getting his ass kicked and her letting him go for no reason I can actually buy. Along with Bakemono, I did enjoy the series up until that point though. Hopefully the stuff that comes after gets animated and doesn't suck.

[Xelbair]

Movie will cover Kizumonogatari - and that novel was awesome.

[shinta|hikari]

Yes, I can vouch for that. It is my favorite of the bunch. It is also very shounen oriented, for those who like that.

[Archangel]

Coalgirls - [720p] (http://coalgirls.wakku.to/torrents/%5BCoalgirls%5D_Nisemonogatari_%281280x720_Blu-ray_FLAC%29.torrent)

Was anyone still waiting for the BDs?

[Buffalobiian]

Coalgirls - [720p] (http://coalgirls.wakku.to/torrents/%5BCoalgirls%5D_Nisemonogatari_%281280x720_Blu-ray_FLAC%29.torrent)

Was anyone still waiting for the BDs?

I am. I assume what you posted is the BD release?

edit: sweet.

[Buffalobiian]

Hmm, well that was pretty alright.

Karen's arc was a bit weak IMO, so I can't really put Nisemonogatari alongside Bakemonogatari even if it was overall quite an enjoyable watch. While the message behind both encounters was still essentially GTFO, Kaiki didn't feel like he put much much of a resistance. That was probably largely because he can't actually do anything in the first place, but it doesn't change my opinion that the resolution felt anticlimactic.

Tsukihi's OP might even dethrone Sengoku's - I like them both.

[shinta|hikari]

This was utter shit compared to Bakemonogatari. It was mostly Bakemonogatari stripped of everything that wasn't fanservice.

If it weren't for Shinobu's bath scenes, I would actually dislike this.

[Buffalobiian]

It lost a lot of drive compared to Bakemonogatari because the arcs weren't really about exorcism. Karen's arc was about getting rid of Kaiki while Tsukihi's was about getting rid of the duo. There wasn't any real "twist" or smart way about those problems besides learning about the supernatural identity and then confronting them about it. (Tsukihi's phoenix was more interesting in this regard).

I suppose I could be too lenient since I marathon this. Someone on this forum marathoned Shana II and had a much better opinion on it compared to my weekly agony.

[shinta|hikari]

The dialogue was weaker because it only involved the two sisters, who hardly said anything as interesting as Gahara-san or Cat Woman. Bakemonogatari was always about the dialogue. Nise had better action, but that was about it.