One Piece Episode 531

[Marik]

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[DarthEnderX]

Luffy got no tolerance for cryin' bitches yo!

[Kraco]

For fondling her breasts all over, he does own her a favour, regardless of tolerance.

All in all I'm starting to think the pill popping rebels might have a very well-grounded reason for their actions. Clearly there's much wrong with the current administration of this fishman island, even if the general population is happy enough. It's a dangerous world by any reckoning and looking at the king and his court, it must be luck alone that has kept the place safe so far.

[dragonrage]

You mean White Beards Flag, now Big Mom

[Kraco]

Counting on pirates to keep a nation safe is counting on sheer luck. They are pirates, after all. They wouldn't be called pirates if they were honest, reliable folks.

[dragonrage]

Depends on the type of Pirates, in Impel down and the War with White Beard and the Marines showed there are all types of pirates. Pirates that do anything for money, Pirates that command honor and respect even from their enemies. Pirates that bring order to Chaos. I mean there must be a reason why those Three powers were able to keep order and balance. And I believe White Beard has already proven just how much he values his friends. Also what do you consider reliable folks, the Gorosei, that order the annihilation or Robin's homeland, Spandam and Spandime and CP9, the World's Nobles that believe they are above everyone and threat the rest as mere dirt, are those the Reliable people you speak of?

[Kraco]

Yes. As long as you stick to your end of the bargain, an iron fist military junta like the World government is a very reliable protector. Straw hats are no doubt from the most honest stock of pirates (despite having Nami aboard), but even they desire to rob things to "feel like pirates". Making a deal with pirates for protection is like paying the mafia protection money and then actually expecting the mafia to fight to protect you - when in fact you pay to be protected from that very same mafia.

However, relying on the World government is hardly an option for Merman island, because they welcome pirates to dock. That's why I say there's much wrong about the local goverment that can't handle their defences by themselves despite a merman being 10 times stronger than an average human - not to mention the humongous advantage they have below the surface. It's like they have a thoroughly corrupted government with all the taxes spent on supporting a bloated court. So, it's no wonder the pill popping rebels are disgusted and want to change things.

[Assertn]

Counting on pirates to keep a nation safe is counting on sheer luck. They are pirates, after all. They wouldn't be called pirates if they were honest, reliable folks.

Big Mom isn't as generous as Whitebeard was. Her protection is offered in exchange for fishman island sweets. However, that alone makes it worth her while to hold up her end of the bargain, as obviously, she won't be getting any candy from the island if it gets decimated.

[dragonrage]

Kraco, never heard the saying the Government is the biggest Mafia family? But yes Pirates do plunder and pillage, and there are a lot more bad ones than good and most if not all are selfish.

One thing I didn't quite get though is there are only three ways to get to the new world; Through the calm belt, with military approval and through fisherman island. Why didn't the Government take over fisherman island long ago, their base is right there. In doing so all three points of entry would be in their control. Did they fear repercussion from the Emperors or was it to hard of a task?

[Kraco]

Yeah, that's an excellent political question. From what we have seen, the Marine's greatest power is by far on the surface: The huge fleet and the admirals, as well as lots of supporting nations. However, with Vegapunk and everything, you'd think they would have been able to destroy the Fishman island if nothing else. Why, they could have even decimated it by detroying the giant tree that supplies the island with light and oxygen. Since it's the pirates' official route, maybe they indeed realised it would have started an all out war. Or maybe the World Nobles forbid it because they love their mermaid slaves (who wouldn't?).

Considering Robin's island's fate, I certainly don't think they spared the Fishman island because of cultural or any other soft reasons (not counting how soft mermaids are).

[DarthEnderX]

Yes. As long as you stick to your end of the bargain, an iron fist military junta like the World government is a very reliable protector.You mean like every other citizen of Ohara that wasn't one of the scholars who the WG exterminated anyway?



That's why I say there's much wrong about the local goverment that can't handle their defences by themselves despite a merman being 10 times stronger than an average human Fishmen are 10x stronger than humans. Not mermen.

Also, they explained at some point earlier in the series that even though this planet is almost all water, there are far less mermen and fishmen in the world than there are humans. Being 10x stronger doesn't help if the other side brings 10x more guys.


Yeah, that's an excellent political question. From what we have seen, the Marine's greatest power is by far on the surface: The huge fleet and the admirals, as well as lots of supporting nations. However, with Vegapunk and everything, you'd think they would have been able to destroy the Fishman island if nothing else.The protection of one of the Emperor's is not something the government takes lightly though. They know destroying the island is to declare war on the Emperor that claims it. Unless you missed the entire point of the Whitebeard War, the WG had to bring it's ENTIRE military might together to fight Whitebeard. And they weren't even confident in their victory.

For all intents and purposes, any 2 of the Emperor's would be able to defeat the entire military might of the WG. The Admirals, the Shichubuki, all of them. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because the Emperors don't work together.

To destroy Fishman Island is to invite the Emperor in charge to start destroying the Marines piece-by-piece, and without something like Ace's execution where you can gather your entire force in a trap, there's nothing stopping said Emperor from striking whever they want, destroying your fortresses and cities one after another.

[Kraco]

Then why haven't the Emperors destroyed the WG if they are so mighty? Because they aren't. They are pirates. Criminals, that is. The only reason why Whitebeard could pull off the attack was Ace. And even then he got backstabbed by one of his own men. The threat of a horrible retaliation indeed would be very real, but by no means assured. Even if an Emperor in name commands lots of men, ships, and power, it's not like the true military of WG, it's just a bunch of pirates whose own pockets will always be closer than the common good - unless you really get them thrilled like by saving Ace (and are a fricking Whitebeard who could turn a regular forest into an army of ents to follow him by sheer inspiration).

But still, this has got absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying originally: That the Fishman island goverment seems weak and the rebels are at least partially justified in wanting a strong one. Even pirates have three strong "nations", so it's a disgrace the fishmen and mermen don't.

[DarthEnderX]

Then why haven't the Emperors destroyed the WG if they are so mighty?Because they are enemies of each other as much as they are of the WG, and taking on the WG would weaken them to the point where one of the other Emperor's would take them out.


Then why haven't the Emperors destroyed the WG if they are so mighty? Because they aren't. They are pirates. Criminals, that is. The only reason why Whitebeard could pull off the attack was Ace. And even then he got backstabbed by one of his own men. The threat of a horrible retaliation indeed would be very real, but by no means assured. Even if an Emperor in name commands lots of men, ships, and power, it's not like the true military of WG, it's just a bunch of pirates whose own pockets will always be closer than the common good - unless you really get them thrilled like by saving Ace (and are a fricking Whitebeard who could turn a regular forest into an army of ents to follow him by sheer inspiration).The quality of the troops is kind of irrelevant when they guy in charge can simply sink your island if you piss him off.

Again, if the WG had destroyed Fishman Island, Whitebeard could have simply sunk Marineford at will. The implication is that the other Emperors, which not as strong, are similarly strong. The makeup of their crew being full of backstabbing pirates is fairly irrelevant one the INDIVIDUAL PERSON is capable of inflicting catastrophic reprisals all on his own. It's the only reason the Ace trap worked, because Whitebeard couldn't destroy the island without killing Ace.



But still, this has got absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying originally: That the Fishman island goverment seems weak and the rebels are at least partially justified in wanting a strong one. Even pirates have three strong "nations", so it's a disgrace the fishmen and mermen don't.Yes, individual kingdoms are weak. This is not a new concept in OP. See: Alabasta.

It should be obvious by now that "people" don't matter in OP. An organization is as powerful as it's strongest member. Neptune's Army only needs a couple huge badasses to be able to repel threats from the outside.

[Assertn]

The WG still has an image to uphold about being the virtuous "good guys" of the world. Obviously they still care about this enough to shut off their video feeds during the war when the real slaughtering began. I don't think people would take too kindly to the marines occupying whatever islands they want.