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MFauli
Wed, 06-11-2014, 07:04 AM
Speaking of Welfin: Gyro is that guy that a whole episode was spent on to show his past, right? Wonder which one of the ants he is. Someone we don´t know yet? Otherwise, it pretty much leaves Pouf and the King, but from how Youpi responded, it appears the Royal guard, and the king consequently, are made of so many indivudals that they dont have any past memories.

Or might he be the queen´s baby? What´s with that baby, anyway? Going by an ant´s fast growth, it should be a young adult by now.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 06-11-2014, 07:59 AM
Speaking of Welfin: Gyro is that guy that a whole episode was spent on to show his past, right? Wonder which one of the ants he is. Someone we don´t know yet?Are you kidding? Meruem is Gyro.

MFauli
Wed, 06-11-2014, 01:29 PM
Are you kidding? Meruem is Gyro.

Assuming you didnt juse spoiler everyone: I guess one can conclude that from how lengthy Gyro´s flashback was. I thought of that, too. But Youpi stating that he has no past memory at all made it look like the royal guard, and thus the king, are made from so many individuals that no single memory remained in them.

enkoujin
Wed, 06-11-2014, 02:00 PM
Are you kidding? Meruem is Gyro.

Meruem is not Gyro. Gyro retains his human memories and defects from the hive before Meruem is even born. If you need proof, read chapter 204 (http://www.batoto.net/read/_/20835/hunter-x-hunter_ch204_by_nexgear/9). Meruem's birth occurs in chapter 213 (http://www.batoto.net/read/_/20844/hunter-x-hunter_ch213_by_nexgear).

DarthEnderX
Thu, 06-12-2014, 02:54 AM
I guess one can conclude that from how lengthy Gyro´s flashback was. I thought of that, too. I mean, I thought that was the obvious conclusion we were supposed to draw. That they spent an entire episode on the nihilistic human with the huge eyes who was basically the King of the NGL, who gets taken by the ants. And pretty much every other character of importance is being revealed to have been a member of Gyro's gang.


But Youpi stating that he has no past memory at all made it look like the royal guard, and thus the king, are made from so many individuals that no single memory remained in them.Remember that they've already stated that Youpi had NO humans in him. He was made entirely of magic beasts. So of course he wouldn't have any human memories.


Meruem is not Gyro. Gyro retains his human memories and defects from the hive before Meruem is even born. If you need proof, read chapter 204 (http://www.batoto.net/read/_/20835/hunter-x-hunter_ch204_by_nexgear/9). Meruem's birth occurs in chapter 213 (http://www.batoto.net/read/_/20844/hunter-x-hunter_ch213_by_nexgear).Yeesh, thanks for reminding me how terrible Togashi's art is...

Was that scene even in the anime? I don't remember it if it was. But yeah, I guess that makes them two separate characters.

It also makes it seem like Ant Gyro is going to be an important antagonist later in the series.

MasterOfMoogles
Thu, 06-12-2014, 03:54 AM
I also thought it was heavily implied that Gyro is Meruem. Especially with Welfin going to talk to him.

I was pretty annoyed that the King lived through the nuke, but I'm pretty happy that the nuke is still going to kill him.

neflight86
Thu, 06-12-2014, 10:09 PM
Thanks for the link, because I'm 100% certain that was omitted in the anime. I've been on the Gyro=King thought process since he was introduced, expecting his personality to have been inherited from that evil.

DarthEnderX
Fri, 06-13-2014, 03:39 PM
Okay good. It wasn't just me then.

MFauli
Tue, 06-17-2014, 03:05 PM
fuck me, that was intense! didnt expect welfin to reveal the secret.

1.) I find it somewhat silly how much of a crush Meruem seems to have on Komugi at this point. Looks so lovey-dovey.
2.) I REALLY want to know which ant Gyro turned into. Is it someone we know? If so, it cannot be anyone particularly strong. If it isnt, Im scared of some dumb asspull of Togashi´s, assuming this Gyro-ant will be rivaling the king in strength. I guess the safest bet would be Gyro = last baby of the queen.
3.) While refreshing on one side, the king dying by radiation is also frustrating. You´d think someone who can survive burning in lava, losing an arm, can also make it through that.

One real complaint, though: The beginning of this episode showed us about the "real world" in HXH. Well, this felt somewhat forced, because we NEVER got to see this side of the HXH world. At most, we got to see high rank mafia bosses during the auctions in the Yorkshin arc. I guess it is a bit difficult to balance such matters, but when we always see Gon and all of his fantastical happenings, accepting normal people with their normal lifes was/is kinda hard. For me, anyways.

Lastly, Komugi would be quite a hotty without her dumb hair style.

Kraco
Tue, 06-17-2014, 03:41 PM
I guess the King reevaluated the value and purpose of life when he died and gradually got his memories back after the resurrection. Once you get intelligent enough, you aren't anymore interested in the same animalistic things an ant would be, nor even the same things a more simple-minded human would be. That's also why the most intelligent people are never in the politics, unless forced by extraordinary circumstances. They rather do something that intrests and satisfies them personally, like science, art, and such. The King learned and experienced too much to be interested in conquering the world anymore and treating everybody like nothing but game pieces. He would rather sit down and conquer the world of chess! (Or whatever the derivative game was called.)

DarthEnderX
Tue, 06-17-2014, 11:27 PM
2.) I REALLY want to know which ant Gyro turned into. Is it someone we know?
...

I guess the safest bet would be Gyro = last baby of the queen.The manga page enkoujin posted pretty much shows that none of that is the case.

He was a fully grown ant, and left the hive before Gon ever arrived. And they didn't really show what he looked like.


If so, it cannot be anyone particularly strong. If it isnt, Im scared of some dumb asspull of Togashi´s, assuming this Gyro-ant will be rivaling the king in strength.I don't know why that would be an asspull.

In the right circumstances, Gon is as strong as Meruem, and he's not even an ant.

How strong Gyro ends up being will depend on what his power is, how much talent he has, and how much he trains. Just like every other Nen using character in the series.


Lastly, Komugi would be quite a hotty without her dumb hair style.Meh. They've shown her with her hair down. And while she looks much better, she still has the caterpillar eyebrows and the constant snot drip going on.

http://i.imgur.com/LZDkwTG.gif

Kraco
Tue, 06-24-2014, 03:16 PM
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It wasn't such a bad death scene. The King's personality change was quite significant, but on the other hand, if a person knows they are going to die in a few hours at max, I'd say any personality change is not too nonplausible. Above all, he had shown great interest in games all along, so it makes sense he would want to use his last moments playing as that's something he can achieve very nicely in the limited time left. Furthermore, he had at hand the single opponent he hadn't managed to beat yet. Too bad Komugi was like she was, snot dripping from her nose during that last game. I suppose her design was like that to underline the fact the King (or the ants in general) didn't give a shit about a person's appearance. Only the strength and abilities mattered.

MFauli
Tue, 06-24-2014, 03:25 PM
Super emotional episode. I didnt cry, but it made me feel a lot. The king repeatedly asking, if Komugi was still there, was heartbreaking. It was basically the slow (but still fast compared to reality) death of a leucemia victim.

That said, I´m too scared about the future of HXH. Afaik there is one more arc finished in the manga, so I hope we will get to see that in anime form, too. And then ... well, Togashi, stop slacking :/

Do we know about this anime´s popularity? I wonder what the chances are that Togashi maybe prepared plot point drafts that the anime can flesh out, while not touching on the main story, so the anime can keep running.

However, after all these shades of grey-villains, I´m now ready for an honest to god evil mastermind. Someone who´s simply dark.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 06-24-2014, 03:38 PM
You could tell it was gonna be some episode when the didn't even take time for the opening credits.

I was NOT expecting them to kill off Komugi. It was all very poetic, but definitely not what that character deserved.

I thought it was an interesting choice to have both Youpi and Pouf's final moments happen off-screen.


The king repeatedly asking, if Komugi was still there, was heartbreaking.Urg! Hurts my chesticles.

exglitch67
Tue, 06-24-2014, 08:45 PM
Super emotional episode. I didnt cry, but it made me feel a lot. The king repeatedly asking, if Komugi was still there, was heartbreaking. It was basically the slow (but still fast compared to reality) death of a leucemia victim.

That said, I´m too scared about the future of HXH. Afaik there is one more arc finished in the manga, so I hope we will get to see that in anime form, too. And then ... well, Togashi, stop slacking :/

Do we know about this anime´s popularity? I wonder what the chances are that Togashi maybe prepared plot point drafts that the anime can flesh out, while not touching on the main story, so the anime can keep running.

However, after all these shades of grey-villains, I´m now ready for an honest to god evil mastermind. Someone who´s simply dark.

Not gonna lie, definitely teared up during this episode. I felt the King's personality change was warranted given he was all alone (no more royal guard or ants to rule) and really just wanted his one true friend to play games with before he died. What really got me was Palm battling her ant half and not letting the king bow down. It showed you just how desperate both characters were at the time. While the feels were unexpected, I am of the same mind that I would like a god damn villain at this point in the series. The non-combative resolution left me emotional but unfulfilled.

shinta|hikari
Tue, 06-24-2014, 09:46 PM
This was probably the my favorite episode of HxH yet.

Penner
Wed, 06-25-2014, 10:50 AM
Just finished watching... i did not see that end coming at all, and god damn it hit me right in the feels.

Well played HxH, well played.

David75
Wed, 06-25-2014, 02:28 PM
You could tell it was gonna be some episode when the didn't even take time for the opening credits.

I was NOT expecting them to kill off Komugi. It was all very poetic, but definitely not what that character deserved.

I thought it was an interesting choice to have both Youpi and Pouf's final moments happen off-screen.

Urg! Hurts my chesticles.

I expected that to happen ever since the explanation that survivors exposed were spreading a lethal poison that would incur even more victims. Something a little more potent that a nuke after all.

That last scene was very "Romeo and Juliet" like to me.

Repetitions in that last scene, and also the protagonists background making so that they should never have met, let alone entertain a relationship of anykind.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 06-25-2014, 02:51 PM
Contrary to what you guys might think, it was a very happy end for the two of them. They both managed to find someone who can stand up to them in a fair battleground. The King never actually won, but he enjoyed trying. Komugi was ecstatic at the King's growth, since she is also able to use her full abilities, and evolve further. Compared to Komugi's previous life where her family uses her as a money making tool, or the King with no one to challenge him, those final fleeting moments are happiness itself.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 06-25-2014, 04:07 PM
I expected that to happen ever since the explanation that survivors exposed were spreading a lethal poison that would incur even more victims.I didn't think much of it because I was still thinking it was just radiation, but they were trying really hard to avoid calling it that for some reason.

If they really were, themselves, poisonous, then characters like Welfin and Palm should be dying right now too. But then they threw in that "if you stay near me too long" line, so that they can basically justify the poison ONLY killing Komugi.

Kraco
Wed, 06-25-2014, 04:28 PM
I don't really see how molecular poison would be evaporating from a person anyway, killing those nearby. Radiation naturally would do that, especially since those ants never took a shover...

enkoujin
Thu, 06-26-2014, 12:54 AM
I didn't think much of it because I was still thinking it was just radiation, but they were trying really hard to avoid calling it that for some reason.

Pretty sure it has to do with the atomic bombs during WW2. Explicitly talking about nuclear weapons or radiation could be seen as insensitive and could cause some controversies (like 9/11 for Americans, but much worse).


If they really were, themselves, poisonous, then characters like Welfin and Palm should be dying right now too. But then they threw in that "if you stay near me too long" line, so that they can basically justify the poison ONLY killing Komugi.

I'd have thought Knuckle and Meleoron would be more poisoned since Meruem did actually touch and knock them out.

DarthEnderX
Thu, 06-26-2014, 02:13 AM
Sure, them too.


Anyway, kinda glad that Pouf died alone face down in the dirt like a bitch in the end. It's what he deserved.

exglitch67
Thu, 06-26-2014, 10:28 AM
Anyway, kinda glad that Pouf died alone face down in the dirt like a bitch in the end. It's what he deserved.

Damn. Didn't earn even a bit of your respect? He was definitely the most hated ant for me, but I still found his ending tragic. As someone mentioned earlier, the fact he and Youpi died off screen and alone is well...pretty sad. Even Nef got some closure that she was protecting the king. Pouf and Youpi just got shit on.

shinta|hikari
Thu, 06-26-2014, 10:33 AM
Nef deserved such a death. She acted very honorably in the end, despite having a irrevocable mission to protect the king.

Pouf was annoying because he thinks he is smart but everything he did, including trying to trick the king or free Nef, was stupid and backfired. Off screen death is just about what he deserves.

MFauli
Thu, 06-26-2014, 11:41 AM
You´re way too harsh. "Everything Pouf did was stupid"? Everything he did, he did in the best interest of his race. In that way, he was a better ant than the king himself. Had he succeeded, mankind would have been fucked ... ignoring the letha dose of radiation, of course.

shinta|hikari
Thu, 06-26-2014, 01:25 PM
Okay, most of the things he did were stupid.

Being stupid wasn't annoying by itself. The fact that he thought he was way too smart despite not being so is what is annoying.

Kraco
Thu, 06-26-2014, 02:22 PM
I think Pouf was too smart for his own good. He had intelligence but little wisdom and experience. He could come up with very crafty plots and plans, but they didn't really reach too far into the future nor did they take into account all aspects of the problem. The biggest flaw was that he thought he knew what's best for everybody else, including the King, and that his plans and opinions were always correct. Such an attitude is especially dangerous with as little life experience as he had because there's no way he could really predict how others would act and behave.

MFauli
Thu, 06-26-2014, 03:00 PM
Well, I always considered the royal guard to be some sort of auto-defense mechanism that has some programme routes hard-wired into their brains, all to keep the chimera ants afloat. While the king is left with some more freedom ... although that really came from mixing with human beings. That way, Pouf never had a choice to not be an "asshole" or whatever you´d like to call him for trying to murder Komugi and keeping her a secret from the king: His hard-wired pro-ant bias made him do that. Similarily, he offered his own life many times to the king in order to fullfil his loyality.

shinta|hikari
Thu, 06-26-2014, 04:33 PM
Wired or not, he was an ass.

Kraco
Thu, 06-26-2014, 05:32 PM
It seems to me they had plenty of freedom. They shared a huge desire to serve the King, but how is that different from a loyal human's wish to serve his respected boss? The degree of readiness to self-sacrifice was different, I reckon, even if there are all sorts of fanatical humans as well, and I guess that would both expand and limit the options would they would have considered viable. But in the end they had plenty of freedom, just like all the more intelligent ants. We don't even know if their servitude to the King was hardwired or simply voluntary. I'd almost go for voluntary since especially Pouf was always looking for ways to obey the letter of the King's commands but not the spirit.

DarthEnderX
Thu, 06-26-2014, 06:52 PM
You´re way too harsh. "Everything Pouf did was stupid"? Everything he did, he did in the best interest of his race..Except that it wasn't, because he was the #1 promoter of the kind of shitty, ruthless behavior that got the King and all the royal guard nuked by people who weren't going to tolerate that shit.

If they had been, in general, less like Pouf, they might still be alive now. Like pretty much every ant that's decided NOT to act like a fucking ant.

Colt, Meloreon, Ikalgo, even Welflin, all checked their "best interests of our race" impulses at the door. All still alive. The King and the Guard? Not so much.

poopdeville
Sat, 06-28-2014, 06:42 PM
It has been communicated to me that I have been accused of manga-propheting. I'm not in trouble, but as a show of good faith, I will step away from the anime forum. I don't want to ruin the show for anyone, even accidentally. Sorry everybody. I'll be lurking.

DarthEnderX
Sat, 06-28-2014, 08:10 PM
It has been communicated to me that I have been accused of manga-propheting.I don't know what it would be. I don't even see a post by you in the last several pages of the thread.

Kraco
Tue, 07-01-2014, 02:51 PM
Episode 136:




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I didn't see that coming, even though it makes sense: The corpse woudn't need its brain for Pitou to animate it, but on the other hand the queen's hybrid offspring greatly benefitted from a brain, especially one of such a high quality. Too bad we didn't get to see Gon's reaction. Apparently he's no good. I wonder what exactly Killua is planning.

It was nice to see Hisoka's face (and a weird pose to boot) after such a long while!

Penner
Tue, 07-01-2014, 03:49 PM
Aww shit, looks like we finally get to see some stuff involving Ging!

I also wonder... if Kite has all his memories(or regains them later on), this new body he's in might actually be an upgrade once it's fully grown lol

MFauli
Tue, 07-01-2014, 05:46 PM
When they were talking about getting a specialist, I wondered if maybe this is where we get to meet Leorio again. Maybe he´s become a capable, nen-supported doctor?

Was weird to see Reina return to her mother, but not Kurt aka Colt.

Best and absolutely surprising scene: Bizeff actually living and, seemingly, continuing to do so. For someone who´s basically raped a whole bunch of celebrities and manipulated a country for years, to get away with it, is refreshing. Typically, a character like that would be met with a special gruesome ending. Not here. HXH continues to prove why it is one of the best shounen anime of all times.

And I´m permanently afraid of this anime ending :/ It isn´t a spoiler to say that we´re almost out of source material, is it. Togashi, hurry the eff up!


I wonder what exactly Killua is planning.


Since he had an expression as if going on some dangerous mission, I assume he´s going to meet someone who´s not really an ally, but has the ability to help Gon. Did someone of the Spiders have healing abilities? I only remember that one girl fixing Hisoka´s ripped off arm. Or maybe he´s going to visit some family member with such powers?

DarthEnderX
Tue, 07-01-2014, 09:05 PM
Wooo! Kite's alive after all! Awesome!

And we finally know more or less what Ging's position is in the Hunters. Part of some kind of ruling council of 12.

Looks like we might be getting some kind of Killua solo arc next. That would be awesome.


I also wonder... if Kite has all his memories(or regains them later on), this new body he's in might actually be an upgrade once it's fully grown lolI would say that's a given since he's an ant. And maybe even a super-ant since he hatched from the same egg as Meruem.


When they were talking about getting a specialist, I wondered if maybe this is where we get to meet Leorio again. Maybe he´s become a capable, nen-supported doctor?I was thinking the exact same thing.


Was weird to see Reina return to her mother, but not Kurt aka Colt. I'm sure he'll go back to see his mother eventually. Probably after Kite is old enough to look after himself(herself?) in a probably a couple more months.

Penner
Tue, 07-08-2014, 06:11 PM
Episode 137 is out.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 07-08-2014, 08:34 PM
I'm already in love with Ging.

Lots of Leorio in that intro, that's a good sign!

Lol, 1 person voted for Gon. I wonder who that was.

Also, 1 vote for Hanzo! Yaaaaaay Hanzo!

Buffalobiian
Tue, 07-08-2014, 09:20 PM
lol, Rat is like the selfish, non-Ant version of Pouf who is actually good at reading people. Leorio in the OP was pretty cool, even if the best thing he did was only punch a desk.

shinta|hikari
Tue, 07-08-2014, 10:24 PM
The fact that Netero was indeed the strongest hunter out there made the idea of risking his life in the ant mission all the more ridiculous.

They could have just bombed the King in so many obvious ways, but because of Netero's battle hunger, everyone else in the know just decided to let him risk his incredibly valuable life. His death is not only a loss of a fighter, but also a leader. Now, a bunch of power hungry creeps are vying for his position, a position which can cause great harm to everyone in the world, should it be occupied by the wrong person.

I would have also liked some mention of these 12 asshats before this development. This feels way too much like an ass pull to me. How hard would it have been to foreshadow their existence, and Netero's motivation to fight to the death with the ants? The story is obviously excusing itself for suddenly pulling out these bozos, going so far as explicitly excusing Netero's dumbass choice not to seek help.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 07-09-2014, 12:45 AM
It makes perfect sense to me if you understand that, these people just don't care. You're treating the Hunter's Associtation like it's some kind of world government. Or some kind of charity. It's not. It's an adventurer's guild. Most of the people in it aren't motivated by the world's benefit, they've motivated to pursue whatever it is that excites them, the thing that each of them hunts.

What Netero hunted was worthy opponents to test his strength against. If the Hunter's Association wasn't going to allow him to do that, then what purpose was there in him being a Hunter? Netero's battle against Meruem was what he wanted. Bringing a bomb along to deal with the problem after he was dead was really just a courtesy to the rest of the world.

Ging embodies this ideal. He doesn't actually care who wins the election, he just wants the process to be as entertaining as possible. Because he's pursuing his own sense of adventure, not what might be best for the world.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 07-09-2014, 08:07 AM
If I remember correctly, Netero was ordered to deal with the ants. He even had flashbacks of it during his battle with Meruem. He said he had to kill him, despite him asking for negotiations. Those scenes conflicted with this battle hunger development.

I do understand that it makes perfect sense if you just accept that these hunters don't care about logic or common sense. It just isn't a good reason reason at all, because it can excuse anything and everything in the story without requiring logical sense. You know, like how Hisoka now cares about saving Gon, when his main goal is fighting someone strong, and there are oodles of them in front of him right now, including Killua's brother.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 07-09-2014, 08:33 AM
You know, like how Hisoka now cares about saving Gon, when his main goal is fighting someone strong, and there are oodles of them in front of him right now, including Killua's brother.

Just occurred to me that if Hisoka saw Gon in his 25-year-old form he'd have jizzed himself dry.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 07-09-2014, 01:36 PM
Just quoting a neg rep so I can reply to it.


Netero "had" to kill Mereum because Mereum was asking for too much. Putting SOME humans in a "human preserve" and killing the rest.

Actually Meruem said that he wanted to create a world so fair that inequality will be forgotten, and that he thought that power should be used to protect the weak. Then he asked for an open discussion. Then Netero had the flashback of bigwigs giving him the order to exterminate the ants, no matter how and what. Netero agreed, but noted that the Hunter association is being used. Right after the flashback, Netero even said that he should hurry and fight before he is swayed. He then proceeded to attack the king who was sitting down...

Why would Netero fear being swayed if he thought Meruem would surely do as you say?

It is as if you only remembered the first part of their conversation (there are a few humans worth keeping, like Komugi and Netero), and not the rest of what Meruem said.

Kraco
Wed, 07-09-2014, 02:39 PM
A position of power in an organization like Hunters might be a bitch unless your interests lie there, like the Rat's obviously do. Adventurers like to do whatever they want and seek whatever they fancy, but the boss of Hunters is tasked with maintaining the organization both internally and externally. Hunters enjoy some nice benefits possibly from all the countries, and that won't continue unless they do something in return as well. Netero had to with the ant question, no matter how he might have felt personally.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 07-09-2014, 02:57 PM
I completely agree.

poopdeville
Wed, 07-09-2014, 11:10 PM
Just quoting a neg rep so I can reply to it.



Actually Meruem said that he wanted to create a world so fair that inequality will be forgotten, and that he thought that power should be used to protect the weak. Then he asked for an open discussion. Then Netero had the flashback of bigwigs giving him the order to exterminate the ants, no matter how and what. Netero agreed, but noted that the Hunter association is being used. Right after the flashback, Netero even said that he should hurry and fight before he is swayed. He then proceeded to attack the king who was sitting down...

Why would Netero fear being swayed if he thought Meruem would surely do as you say?


http://mangajoy.com/Hunter-x-Hunter/288/6/
Netero thinks "He is fluctuating. Caught between the identities of ant and human. He could lean toward either of the two."

Can he trust Mereum? The answer is obviously no.

Also, Netero's strength comes, at least partly, from his determination to win. He couldn't risk listening to the human side and losing his resolve against the ant side.

It would have been different if Mereum had learned his lesson about how the weak are worth protecting before he murdered thousands of people.

Damnit, I was going to lurk. Fuck it, I'm done with that. I'll just talk about old stuff if it comes up. :)

shinta|hikari
Wed, 07-09-2014, 11:26 PM
Come on, Netero had no choice but to kill Meruem, regardless of whether he wanted to or not. What does it matter if Meruem killed whatever number of people? The question was WHY Netero wanted to kill the King. He wasn't doing it for vengeance for those who died, or even to save lives. He clearly stated in the ANIME that a person in his position cannot allow what Meruem wants, and this was all before Meruem's declaration that he wanted an equal, peaceful world for the humans. The human preserve and killing the rest thing is a misguided imagination. Meruem's statements contradict that. His actions afterwards contradict that.

Also, why is it so obvious to you that he cannot trust Meruem? Why didn't he even hear him out? He clearly stated the reason. Because he might be swayed, which basically means made to trust Meruem. He does not have that option, so he did not take it.

The funny thing is, everything that happened after simply showed how great a ruler Meruem could have been. Benevolent and fair, far better than any human ruler in the HxH world currently. He was also imba so he would not have worried about military pressure outside of nukes hitting him directly.

Are you the neg repper? If so, you could have just replied in the thread.

DarthEnderX
Thu, 07-10-2014, 03:19 AM
You guys seriously give to many shits about rep.

shinta|hikari
Thu, 07-10-2014, 09:13 AM
Not really. It was just odd how a perfectly valid reply was made using the rep system, instead of the thread. There was no reason to be anonymous.

MFauli
Fri, 07-11-2014, 10:14 AM
Nice episode. Snake-girl for me. @shinta: If you can make me a hot signature pic featuring her, it´d be greatly appreciated :D

So that little child in the intro was the mysterious Zoldyeck-brother then ,eh? I thought it´d be the ant-reincarnation of Kaito. Wonder what powers he has when Illumi is "trying" to get rid of him.

Hisoka not having noticed anything about the ants affair because of his Chrollo-chase was somewhat stupid. Come on.

What´s with the dog girl, though? Some off-spring chimera ant, or just some random transformation ability? Afaik HXH never had animal people like, for example, Dragon Ball had.

Was surprised to see the vote happen this fast, expected it to be what this arc is about. Guess not.

Some minor criticism of mine would be how Ging just decideds to show up there. The whole series is built on the foundation that Gon looks for his father. Seeing him inmidst of people just like that ... is anti-climatic. Unless he has some superior observation ability, Gon could simply appear in his vicinity. Weird.

But the best part of this episode, or rather the new arc and its intro: Leorio :)

enkoujin
Fri, 07-11-2014, 04:24 PM
What´s with the dog girl, though? Some off-spring chimera ant, or just some random transformation ability? Afaik HXH never had animal people like, for example, Dragon Ball had.

For most the Zodiacs, I'm gonna say that it's half costumes (see the Piyon the rabbit) and/or partially some Nen. Seeing that Geru (Snake) had conjured up a snake while threatening Pariston at 5:13 of the episode, it's more likely leaning towards the latter.

DarthEnderX
Sat, 07-12-2014, 01:54 AM
I wonder if there's any forshadowing to the fact that there's 12 Zodiacs, and 13 Spiders.
Hisoka not having noticed anything about the ants affair because of his Chrollo-chase was somewhat stupid. Come on.Why? The only reason he knew about the election is because they broadcast it all over the world.

The Ant affair was supposedly kept secret. How would he know about it without some kind of secret information network like Illumi probably has.

I mean, hell, even the Zodiacs apparently didn't hear about it until it was over.


What´s with the dog girl, though? Some off-spring chimera ant, or just some random transformation ability?The same thing that's wrong with most of the other Zodiacs. They're trying to look like the nicknames Netero gave them.


Was surprised to see the vote happen this fast, expected it to be what this arc is about. Guess not.Did you not pay attention to the rules?

Nobody won because you need over 50% of the votes to win, and the vote didn't even count because 95% of all Hunters have to vote in it to count.

The way Ging set up the rules, there's going to be a bunch of rounds to the voting.


Unless he has some superior observation ability, Gon could simply appear in his vicinity.You mean except for the part where he's dying in bed someplace?

Kraco
Tue, 07-15-2014, 04:14 PM
Episode 138:







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Man, that's a creepy sister, but at the same time very fitting for that murderous family. The system is also exceedingly ironic, considering the next person must bear the price of the previous one's wish. Despite all that, I do pity the poor girl for being under strickter confinement than probably most of caught super criminals. Although it was kind of hard to judge if she even had a complete human personality or if she was a sort of slave to her own system as well, being reduced to a mere device. The OP gave a more human image of her than the flashback, that's for sure. Nevertheless, this is the kind of mysterious nen that even the ant King would have probably been helpless against. Killua must be feeling quite desperate indeed to resort to her, even though it now seems like half of his motive is to free Alluka. At least she's very cute when not in the wish granting mode.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 07-15-2014, 07:27 PM
This week kinda reinforced what I was saying last week about Hunters not caring about doing what's best for people.

Netero chose Rat, not because he'd make a good Vice Chairman(pretty much everyone thinks he's terrible), but because he'd be more "interesting".


And yeah, Alluka is creepy as fuck. I feel bad for whoever has to fulfill Alluka's requests after Killua uses her to save Gon.



I really like how the ending song sounds like the 2nd verse of the previous credits song.

Buffalobiian
Tue, 07-15-2014, 08:58 PM
Chibi-Killua! Hau~ Omochikaeri~!

I can actually see Illumi putting in that pin to protect Killua from any form of danger. I actually reckon Killua would find a way to break the system, or simply fulfill Alluka's next 3 requests after she revives Gon. I highly doubt he sees her as a system to be abused for benefits, but rather a helpful family member who has some weird quirks.

So, what happens when you just ignore her "white face" or her 4 requests? What about ignoring some requests (<4) then granting some?

exglitch67
Tue, 07-15-2014, 09:16 PM
Chibi-Killua! Hau~ Omochikaeri~!

I can actually see Illumi putting in that pin to protect Killua from any form of danger. I actually reckon Killua would find a way to break the system, or simply fulfill Alluka's next 3 requests after she revives Gon. I highly doubt he sees her as a system to be abused for benefits, but rather a helpful family member who has some weird quirks.

So, what happens when you just ignore her "white face" or her 4 requests? What about ignoring some requests (<4) then granting some?

I think it was inferred that if you grant one of her requests it resets the request limit. Not sure if the translation is correct but if it indeed has to be four in a row then that implies you have the option of choosing 1 out of 4. The issue seems that all the requests are on the same path, so if you get a body part or a nen attribute request your fucked.

What just occurred to me is, what happens if you attack/kill her before she makes requests? I am assuming she has no combat capabilities so maybe the King would of just killed her and not had to deal with the madness.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 07-16-2014, 03:09 AM
I actually reckon Killua would find a way to break the system, or simply fulfill Alluka's next 3 requests after she revives Gon.Uh...and how's he gonna do that if she starts asking for his organs?

Saving someone's life is probably right up there with becoming a millionaire.

MasterOfMoogles
Wed, 07-16-2014, 04:10 AM
I'm so confused, is it a boy (boc-chan is usually used for boys, right?)? Is it a girl (the subs have Killua calling it a sister)? His father calls it "it".

Also, at 19:18 Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask make an appearance, lol.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 07-16-2014, 09:50 AM
Uh...and how's he gonna do that if she starts asking for his organs?

Saving someone's life is probably right up there with becoming a millionaire.

You could give it to her. Some people just don't want to. I simply thought Killua may decide to clean up his own mes instead of passing it onto someone else.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 07-16-2014, 01:12 PM
Alluka's power is nonsensical, even in the abnormal nen world of HxH. It is so hard to believe how it works. Why did it have to be any wish being granted? Could it not have been something more related to Gon's case instead? I know it is a little too convenient suddenly have a sibling with specialized powers that can help your friend, but it is far more believable than having a genie.

It is also pretty easy to abuse, since the next wish maker will suffer the backlash. They could have pawned the entire Chimera ant population if someone just wished that all chimera ants would turn into marshmallows. Then they could just leave Alluka locked away forever, or kill her.

If the previous wish was incredibly easy to fulfill, will the requests for the current one be easier? A hard wish makes the following requests harder, so I was wondering if it was vice versa.

I still like HxH, and it is still probably the best shounen fighting story out there, but the recent choices the author made makes me a little sad. The dialog is still great, as well as the psychological battles, so I just wanted some things to make more logical sense. I did not want to resort to thinking "At least it is possible" for this story. Just because it is possible or can be rationalized does not make it a good choice.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 07-16-2014, 07:44 PM
You could give it to her. Some people just don't want to.A...der? You know you can't live without your liver, spine, brain, etc. right?


They could have pawned the entire Chimera ant population if someone just wished that all chimera ants would turn into marshmallows. Then they could just leave Alluka locked away forever, or kill her.Sure, if you wanna be a complete shitheel. Nothing like sacrificing a little girl to solve your problems!



If the previous wish was incredibly easy to fulfill, will the requests for the current one be easier? A hard wish makes the following requests harder, so I was wondering if it was vice versa.Obviously.

That's why when Killua's wish was for her to pick him up, the next person's requests were also things like carrying her around and whatnot.

And when that persons wish was to be a millionaire, the next person's requests were fatal.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 07-16-2014, 08:40 PM
A...der? You know you can't live without your liver, spine, brain, etc. right?
Sure, if you wanna be a complete shitheel. Nothing like sacrificing a little girl to solve your problems!


I didn't mean for them to actually do it. It was an example showing how unbelievably powerful her ability is. And the alternative to killing her that I gave, locking her up to prevent her from meeting people, is pretty much her current state right now.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 07-16-2014, 08:50 PM
A...der? You know you can't live without your liver, spine, brain, etc. right?

Now that we know it pretty much escalates, you're best to just give her your liver. There are ways around it, unlike the spine/brain. Duodenum is tricky.

The point was that Killua would clean up his own mess. And honestly if someone actually asked for Killua's liver as the price for curing Gon, I have no doubt Killua would do it.

DarthEnderX
Thu, 07-17-2014, 12:03 AM
Now that we know it pretty much escalates, you're best to just give her your liver.They all seemed about the same to me. They're all organs you can't live without.


And the alternative to killing her that I gave, locking her up to prevent her from meeting people, is pretty much her current state right now.Right, and Killua pretty much calls them out as assholes for doing it.

shinta|hikari
Thu, 07-17-2014, 08:58 AM
I don't get why you are pursuing this. I did say that it was just an example of how imbalanced the ability is. I never said that it was not a bad thing to do. She just will not be worse off.

MFauli
Fri, 07-18-2014, 08:33 AM
So is it a boy or girl? Still haven´t cleared that question. HorribleSubs called it a "him", but not a single scene of Alluka makes me think of a boy.

I´m also convinced that Killua will take on the requests following his wish for Gon´s healing himself. Would be too easy to just make a wish and then leave some future person to die. Not Killua´s style. Wonder how he´ll get out of it.

Also, I wished Killua would have told his dad about Gon´s transformation. Something like "not even you could have stopped Gon, dad, even if you were willing to sacrifice your own life". Just for a bit of badassery :D

DarthEnderX
Fri, 07-18-2014, 08:54 AM
I'm guessing that Alluka is a boy, but since Horriblesubs just rips Crunchyroll, and Crunchyroll uses whatever the official translations of the English licenser is going to be, and that said licenser has decided to just make him a girl.

Anyway, since they're calling him a sister, I'm just going to go with that because I really don't want to spend another 6 months arguing about a character's fucking gender for, like, the 4th time in this fucking series.

shinta|hikari
Fri, 07-18-2014, 09:07 AM
This isn't about the translation. The Japanese also has it mixed up. They call her "obochama" which is reserved for boys, but Killua calls her a sister. I am going to trust Killua on this and tag her a girl.

neflight86
Fri, 07-18-2014, 02:07 PM
So... Any guesses why Illumi wants him/her dead?

MFauli
Fri, 07-18-2014, 02:14 PM
So... Any guesses why Illumi wants him/her dead?

random guesses:

- Her freak-powers make her a danger to himself
- Her unpredictable powers and the strange attachment to Killua put Killua at a risk, which is something Illumi doesn´t like
- She caused someone to die that Illumi deeply cared for (no idea who that could be. But did we ever find out why Illumi turned out to be so ... soulless? Just the typical Zoldyeck-assassin training?)
- He fears that she might learn to actively control her powers, and maybe she has an active dislike towards Illumi for whatever reasons
- He shares his father´s views: Alluka is not a human being, not part of the family. She´s a freak accident of nature and a danger to everybody within the Zoldyeck-family

shinta|hikari
Fri, 07-18-2014, 05:51 PM
Second, isn't it? And not just in past tense.

Buffalobiian
Sat, 07-19-2014, 12:57 AM
Yep, pretty sure it's because Killua is at risk of dying if the two keep mingling.

neflight86
Sat, 07-19-2014, 12:19 PM
Yeah; one he learned the state Gon was in, he must have deduced Killua would resort to this. Curious about how strong the wish granting capacity is, as it seems to shuffle around existing reality to achieve the results requested.

MFauli
Tue, 07-22-2014, 02:46 PM
episode 139 is out!
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1.) So is Gon aware of the inevitable failure of his plan? (All his loved ones dying when being granted his wish to save Gon, incidentially killing Gon, too)

2.) Since I´m rather sure that this is the last arc to be animated due to Togashi being a lazy bum, I have to wonder ... what kind of finale is this where the hero is lying down, waiting to be healed? lol

3.) I found Illumi talking to Hisoka in a bar to be hilarious. Don´t know why. Made me lol.

4.) Can Alluka PLEASE be a girl? I´d have to question my sexuality for real, otherwise. Dat kiss on the cheek <3

Kraco
Tue, 07-22-2014, 03:56 PM
1.) So is Gon aware of the inevitable failure of his plan? (All his loved ones dying when being granted his wish to save Gon, incidentially killing Gon, too)

I don't think Gon is aware of anything at the moment, so anything would matter to him only afterwards. Killua is the smart one of the two, so no doubt he thinks he has a way out of it. I wouldn't be surprised if he really did.


3.) I found Illumi talking to Hisoka in a bar to be hilarious. Don´t know why. Made me lol.

Yeah. I don't think we ever had too many scenes of Hisoka with that sweat drop and a dissatisfied expression. He wouldn't care if he was defeated in a fight, but getting randomly killed by a strange power would go against his core personality. It was a pretty strange meeting between those two, and funny indeed.


4.) Can Alluka PLEASE be a girl? I´d have to question my sexuality for real, otherwise. Dat kiss on the cheek <3

The family could really use a female member. The cyborg mom doesn't count.

MFauli
Tue, 07-22-2014, 04:11 PM
Oh, I meant to write Killua, not Gon. Yeah, Gon isn´t aware of anything right now, obviously!

DarthEnderX
Tue, 07-22-2014, 04:23 PM
Obviously, Killua has some kind of plan in mind. And he knows rules that the others don't. Obviously, it's not going to go down how Illumi thinks, because Killia knows as much as Illumi, so he knows doing it that way isn't going to help Gon at all.


I honestly can't tell how bad Killua's dad is. Sometimes, he acts like a real cool dude, but then you find out he TOLD Illumi to put needles in Killua's brain, and you wonder if that's just an act to get Killua to trust him.


2.) Since I´m rather sure that this is the last arc to be animated due to Togashi being a lazy bum, I have to wonder ... what kind of finale is this where the hero is lying down, waiting to be healed? lolDepends what happens after he's healed. With his dad basically being in the same building at the moment, if Gon gets to meet his dad at the end of the arc, it would be a real emotional climax to the series, if not a very actiony one.


4.) Can Alluka PLEASE be a girl? I´d have to question my sexuality for real, otherwise.Given that she's, like, 10, you should be questioning your sexuality either way.

But yeah, they are going out of their way to make it confusing. Most of them call her a sister, but Illumi refers to her as "him".

Buffalobiian
Wed, 07-23-2014, 02:54 AM
Just get Alluka and Gon in the same room and ask Something to lift the curse off everybody in that room.

Gon and Alluka saved. No mess left.

Kraco
Wed, 07-23-2014, 03:44 AM
Curse? What curse? Gon isn't cursed, he just ruined himself like a doofus. Alluka's condition seems stranger, but is it a curse? What kind of curse would make anybody that powerful?

DarthEnderX
Wed, 07-23-2014, 07:00 AM
I can't tell if they're being serious about Alluka coming from "somewhere else" and not being human, of if they're just being overdramatic.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 07-23-2014, 08:13 AM
Curse? What curse? Gon isn't cursed, he just ruined himself like a doofus. Alluka's condition seems stranger, but is it a curse? What kind of curse would make anybody locked up and isolated?

Some say beauty is a curse. Some say ugliness is.

I can settle for abnormality if you think that word fits their "acquired condition" better. Or rules even.

MFauli
Wed, 07-23-2014, 11:54 AM
I can't tell if they're being serious about Alluka coming from "somewhere else" and not being human, of if they're just being overdramatic.

I can see it now:

Togashi has this planned out as the introduction of a whole new level of HXH storytelling. Thought Nen was the extent of this series? Well, you thought wrong. With Alluka, we´re shown the first touching of inter-dimensional travelling. No hunter has ever traveresed these dimensions, but with Netero dead and the Zodiacs playing annoying political games, the world of hunters stagnated. Born from this stagnation is an all encompassing motivation to experience the beginning of your hunter life. This marks the start of hundreds of highly skilled hunters to cross dimensions, trying to explore new realities.

That is what all the events up to now prepared for. We´re a third in. Two thirds of HXH remaining. Togashi found a way to live to age 250. :|

Anime1215
Wed, 07-23-2014, 06:48 PM
episode 139 is out!
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2.) Since I´m rather sure that this is the last arc to be animated due to Togashi being a lazy bum, I have to wonder ... what kind of finale is this where the hero is lying down, waiting to be healed? lol

How far ahead is the manga?

DarthEnderX
Wed, 07-23-2014, 09:24 PM
Looks like about 15 chapters or so.

MFauli
Tue, 07-29-2014, 03:33 PM
episode 140 is out!
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And this episode is proof why we needed Leorio back. Awesomre showing of his. I´m not sure how legit that hit against Ging was, since it looked as if Ging was allowing himself to be hit. Nonetheless, I love Leorio for being a somewhat normal person, with normal, relatable emotions. If Gon was my friend, that´s how i´d behave, too.

Now I´m wondering what´s up with Kurapika. What has he been doing for all this time? We know Leorio became a doctor and, apparently, developed nen abilities. What did Kurapika do? Certainly not hunt down the spiders since those were fully active during the chimera arc.

Kraco
Tue, 07-29-2014, 04:24 PM
I guess Leorio is the kind of a doctor that if he gives you doctor's orders, you aren't going to decline.

Ging was taking the hit on purpose, no doubt. He probably saw it as the easiest way to end the disorder. Being Ging, he wouldn't give a shit about being seen knocked down. I imagine he got up immediately after Leorio left, as if nothing happened. Unless he wanted to skip the rest of the event by taking a nap on the floor...

Buffalobiian
Tue, 07-29-2014, 07:05 PM
Alluka = girl confirmed!

And my guess was that Kurapica is planning to run for chairman. I got that impression somehow ever since the start of this arc. Nothing like heading an entire organisation of hunters to hunt down your spiders.

I'm also going to guess that Leorio's ability was chosen so that he could operate on patients without cutting them open.

Penner
Tue, 07-29-2014, 08:18 PM
Fuck yeah Leorio!

Love how the whole crowd stood up and started cheering after it happened, although it did indeed look like Ging took the hit on on purpose.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 07-29-2014, 10:12 PM
So, ripping off your fingernail seems like kind of a severe request to make after granting a kiss on the cheek...


Fuck yeah Leorio!Fuck yeah!


He's has an awesome ability too. Although it's pretty much the same as that guy from the boxing match from Greed Island. It's just flashier, which is probably more of a bad thing than a good one.

It's probably also not a particularly smart move to show the entire Hunter organization your special ability.


And my guess was that Kurapica is planning to run for chairman.I don't see what chance a relatively new hunter nobody has ever heard of has of winning the election.


I'm also going to guess that Leorio's ability was chosen so that he could operate on patients without cutting them open.Ooh, that makes sense.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 07-30-2014, 06:47 AM
So, ripping off your fingernail seems like kind of a severe request to make after granting a kiss on the cheek...

I think Something's request was out of proportion to the kiss on the cheek because the condition Killua put on the wish made it stronger. It's hard to say whether the request would have been any different had Killua not escaped in time and Something had to end up killing.


I don't see what chance a relatively new hunter nobody has ever heard of has of winning the election.

Paristan's got quite a bit of charisma, but I can imagine Kurapica taking him down. If there's a guy in this series who is 0% bullshit it's Kurapica, so he's got leverage in a way. I don't see what makes a "good" chairman though, so I can't really say whether he'd appeal or not.

I suppose last time we heard from him, he was offered a job with the girl's(1) father.

(1) = the girl who lost her ability to tell the future and the father was left in ruins. That black suit certainly suggests as much.

Kraco
Wed, 07-30-2014, 07:41 AM
I don't really see Kurapica either attempting or winning even if he did. To be honest only somebody politically oriented like the Rat would enjoy the position, in addition to generally nice, teacher like people who derive satisfaction from nurturing young people into pro hunters, or least keeping the organization running in order for those youths to have the opportunity (like Netero). In the end every single hunter is out there for only themselves. It's not any paramilitary organization. This voting alone proves it: They have to resort to extortion to boost the voting rate. Because not enough members give a shit, and even if they did, they would quickly grow bored.

I've said it before, but the chaiman's position is the worst due to all the responsibility in trying to maintain the public relations and the various privileges the members enjoy, yet since those benefits hardly come free of charge, he must somehow coax the willful members to do deeds for the countries and other factions. The ant arc proved this: We saw none of the obviously powerful Zodiacs around; Netero had to do everything by himself and with a few other members, some of whom were bloody kids. Because the members couldn't care less, unless they hold a personal interest. A jolly bunch to lead, for sure.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 07-30-2014, 08:59 AM
I thought that the excuse the author made for only sending Netero and a small team was to prevent the ants from getting stronger by eating more Nen users.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 07-30-2014, 11:13 AM
I thought that the excuse the author made for only sending Netero and a small team was to prevent the ants from getting stronger by eating more Nen users.I think it was just that, an excuse.

Netero didn't WANT a bigger team, because he didn't want anyone to interfere with his epic death match.

poopdeville
Wed, 07-30-2014, 12:35 PM
I think it was just that, an excuse.

Netero didn't WANT a bigger team, because he didn't want anyone to interfere with his epic death match.

Seeing how it turned into a high speed endurance match, he was probably right to do that. Even Zeno and Silva could end up being a liability if they got tired before Netero and Meruem.

MFauli
Wed, 07-30-2014, 12:56 PM
One thing I wonder regarding Alluka´s ability and someone like Meruem: Would he really be crushed just like all the other victims? We have seen what Meruem could endure in his fight with Netero. So I wonder if this could maybe a case similar to when Majin Boo was trapped in god´s training room dimension, and escaped it by piercing a whole through dimensions, using brute energy. Like, could someone counter the effect of Alluka´s "curse" with sheer power?

Also, one thing I don´t get: It´s easer for her to destroy than to heal. Okay. So what is "give me a million dollar"? Destroying?

Also, shinta, please make my hot Alluka-signature, now that we know it´s a girl :p

Buffalobiian
Wed, 07-30-2014, 04:14 PM
The team was also supposed to be a guerilla strike team to assassinate the Queen. Experts predicted they had 2 months left.

Not sure if Meruem could survive an Alluka attack, but if he doesn't die then does she try again?

Million dollars was destroy of you had to pick between the two. But neither really.

Kraco
Wed, 07-30-2014, 05:43 PM
Million dollars was destroy of you had to pick between the two. But neither really.

The million came from somewhere, so the wish destroyed somebody else's finances...

shinta|hikari
Wed, 07-30-2014, 06:20 PM
Nevermind. I checked the episode and it was voodoo.

MasterOfMoogles
Wed, 07-30-2014, 10:34 PM
Leorio is totally going to win the election now!
I'm guessing this is "All according to plan" for Ging.

neflight86
Thu, 07-31-2014, 11:50 PM
So, ripping off your fingernail seems like kind of a severe request to make after granting a kiss on the cheek...


Actually, I theorize that was the second request, the first being "don't bully Killua anymore"; hence the difficulty raising for the second request, and meaning the butler oba-san is now only one (request) away from a wish of her own...

Buffalobiian
Fri, 08-01-2014, 01:02 AM
Actually, I theorize that was the second request, the first being "don't bully Killua anymore"; hence the difficulty raising for the second request, and meaning the butler oba-san is now only one (request) away from a wish of her own...

The person who fulfills the request doesn't have to be the one who gets their wish granted.

Alluka also referred to Killua as Onii-chan so I don't know if that would count as a request.

DarthEnderX
Fri, 08-01-2014, 02:24 AM
Actually, I theorize that was the second request, the first being "don't bully Killua anymore"; hence the difficulty raising for the second request, and meaning the butler oba-san is now only one (request) away from a wish of her own...Killua seems acutely aware of what is and isn't a request from Something. So if it was one, I'm sure they'd have mentioned it.

neflight86
Fri, 08-01-2014, 01:25 PM
Killua seems acutely aware of what is and isn't a request from Something. So if it was one, I'm sure they'd have mentioned it.

I thought him recognizing that (my theory) was why he was upset at what the butler did.

But yeah, I forgot about the name change thing...

Kraco
Tue, 08-05-2014, 03:24 PM
141:




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This is a pretty good deal for Hisoka even if nobody else. He only cares about tough, exciting fights and the buttler(s) ought to offer such. Plus he can work towards making sure Gon and Killua will continue to grow into worthy opponents. Using Illumi's uncontrolled bloodlust to warn Killua was a pretty funny scene, considering Hisoka's expression.

I can kind of see why Killua likes his little sister so much, despite the danger. I hope she won't die.

MFauli
Tue, 08-05-2014, 03:47 PM
Illumi´s bloodlust scene was the best. Have we ever heard why Hisoka doesn´t fight Illumi? Seems like a strong "prey".

Alluka is just super cute. Makes me want to get a plush version of her for cuddling purposes.

Tsubone keeping up with Killua´s god speed annoyed me.

Edort4
Tue, 08-05-2014, 06:44 PM
During this whole episode (arc) I noticed that Im not missing Gon at all. This could be sacrilege but I wouldnt mind having him out of the show for a long time.

I feel that there are tons of more interesting characters/relationships than his "father issues" (and all that "im a good guy that can go crazy killermachine mode when angered").

Crazy Zoldyck family, Spiders, Hisoka, surviving ants, Gings plans. I even feel more intrigued about some of the candidates to chairman, their jobs and their stars, and even what "factions" could be found inside the hunters guild.

Carnage
Tue, 08-05-2014, 08:19 PM
Illumi´s bloodlust scene was the best. Have we ever heard why Hisoka doesn´t fight Illumi? Seems like a strong "prey".


It could be that Illumi occasionally tips Hisoka to powerful opponents, so its worth not fighting him in order to have a consistent supply of adversaries.

shinta|hikari
Tue, 08-05-2014, 10:16 PM
Hisoka wants to fight strong enemies and live.

If he just wanted to fight then die, he could have come to Netero anytime.

And died.

@Edort - I have to agree. Gon is not exactly the most interesting character out of the lot.

Alluka's flabby smile made me jizz.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 08-05-2014, 10:56 PM
Hahah, Leorio is in 3rd place. That would be some crazy shit if he really did end up becoming Chairman.


This is a pretty good deal for Hisoka even if nobody else. He only cares about tough, exciting fights and the buttler(s) ought to offer such.I doubt that Hisoka considers the Butlers to be of the level he's actually looking for. I'm sure the reason Hisoka is even friends with Illumi is because he wants to fight the Zoldyks themselves somehow.

After all, he wanted to go one-on-one with Chrollo, who was able to fend off two of the Zoldyks for awhile.


I always wonder if Hisoka isn't hiding some other power, because for someone who's probably one of the strongest characters in the series, Bungee Gum seems like a shitty power.

Buffalobiian
Tue, 08-05-2014, 10:58 PM
Just going back to Leorio's ability, I remember now that the boxer had a small radius of effectiveness, and also needed the Nen symbol on the canvas to boost his ability. Leorio's seems to have more range, even if somewhat slower and visible.

You know this entire mess may actually be averted if Killua told the family about his plans to get rid of Alluka's power. The assassins are powerful enough to protect themselves anyway without Alluka's powers so it's not like it'd be such a big loss to them.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 08-05-2014, 11:01 PM
You know this entire mess may actually be averted if Killua told the family about his plans to get rid of Alluka's power. Wait, what?

Buffalobiian
Tue, 08-05-2014, 11:12 PM
Wait, what?

Well I'm still assuming that's what he's going to do, use Something's power to free both Gon and Alluka of whatever's binding them. I can't think of a better way to do it.

How else would he "free Alluka" other than unbinding her from Something?

DarthEnderX
Tue, 08-05-2014, 11:13 PM
Well I'm still assuming that's what he's going to do, use Something's power to free both Gon and Alluka of whatever's binding them. I can't think of a better way to do it.Makes sense. But how? Do you that he's allowed to wish for two outcomes from the same wish?

Cause if not, that first wish to heal Gon still seems like it could kill a ton of people.

Buffalobiian
Tue, 08-05-2014, 11:15 PM
Makes sense. But how? Do you that he's allowed to wish for two outcomes from the same wish?

Cause if not, that first wish to heal Gon still seems like it could kill a ton of people.

"Hey Something, leave Alluka alone and take Gon's curse with you."

"Hey Something, free everybody in this room so they're no longer possessed."

Something like to that extent.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 08-05-2014, 11:40 PM
Good idea if it works.



Honestly though, Alluka and that daughter that Kurapica had to guard kind of annoy me. These people with no concept of what Nen even is having these insane Nen abilities seems contrary to Nen the way it's presented by the rest of the series.

It's too bad Chrollo doesn't have his powers anymore, or he could totally show up and take Alluka's power away.

Kraco
Wed, 08-06-2014, 02:45 AM
Honestly though, Alluka and that daughter that Kurapica had to guard kind of annoy me. These people with no concept of what Nen even is having these insane Nen abilities seems contrary to Nen the way it's presented by the rest of the series.

Not necessarily. Though I agree it's better they are as rare as they are. They might be just extremely natural nen users, with not a small touch of insanity making it work. Nen seems like something a genuinely insane person could boost to the absolute maximum, even if they they were rendered largely useless by the madness otherwise. Kind of like the image of an autistic person excelling at something beyond most, yet being otherwise a compromised person. In fact it's not so far from willingly setting a condition like Kurapica (and apparently Gon) did. In Alluka's case her ability to use the power is extremely limited as she can't even decide herself what it's used for but instead somebody random gets to make a wish.

MFauli
Wed, 08-06-2014, 11:43 AM
Since Chimera Ants were able to use nen without any proper understanding of it, I have no troubles accepting Alluka. And since these types of nen-users are, like, super rare, it feels like natural evolution at work - sometimes creating freaks.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 08-06-2014, 07:15 PM
Since Chimera Ants were able to use nen without any proper understanding of itThe ants can do all kinds of things they shouldn't know how to do. Like fight like master martial artists despite being a month old. And they DO understand it, and are at least aware of the fact that they have it.

Alluka's an untrained little kid and what's-her-name is a shitty spoiled teenager. And neither one of them even seems to be aware that they HAVE an ability. It's fucking dumb.


Ging was taking the hit on purpose, no doubt. He probably saw it as the easiest way to end the disorder. That's what I thought at first too, but now, with Leorio suddenly being in 3rd place, and knowing how Ging Xanatos'd the shit out of that notepad incident:
Leorio is totally going to win the election now!
I'm guessing this is "All according to plan" for Ging.I think this is probably what's going on. Not so much Leorio winning, but at least making sure Pariston doesn't.

I wouldn't be surprised if he not only took the hit, but provoked Leorio into attacking him in the first place, all knowing what the end result was going to be.

MasterOfMoogles
Wed, 08-06-2014, 10:13 PM
Hahah, Leorio is in 3rd place. That would be some crazy shit if he really did end up becoming Chairman.


I was really disappointed, I was hoping he would have even more votes. I guess this is more realistic, though.

Alluka's ability almost seems like it isn't even nen. It is more magical than anything we've ever seen in the show.
Of course, there's always "specialist" to fall back on, I guess.

poopdeville
Thu, 08-07-2014, 12:53 AM
That was the best episode in a while.

TwisT
Thu, 08-07-2014, 07:55 AM
This wouldn't be the first time a person that can't use nen uses nen unknowingly or even have a specific ability. When Gon and Kiluha raised money to buy the Greed Island game they discovered that some of those artist used nen unknowingly despite never being trained in it. Also that fortune telling mafia daughter. She even had a own ability that told the future, even though she couldn't use nen herself. Is it really hard to believe Alluka could be the same? Isn't telling the future also out of this world crazy magic? Maybe not as much as Alluka but still.

DarthEnderX
Thu, 08-07-2014, 10:51 AM
This wouldn't be the first time a person that can't use nen uses nen unknowingly or even have a specific ability. When Gon and Kiluha raised money to buy the Greed Island game they discovered that some of those artist used nen unknowingly despite never being trained in it.Which was explained as a person pouring a lot of their heart and soul into something. And leaving a sort of, psychic imprint on the thing they were focusing on.

Neon doesn't give two shits about what her powers are doing. And Alluka doesn't seem to be putting any conscious effort into hers either.

David75
Thu, 08-07-2014, 01:20 PM
nice episodes.
It's been a long time since I used my studio headphones and it was the right choice for that ep that had quite a good audio track. At least a lot better than most anime, with nice sounds music and everything well mixed.

neflight86
Fri, 08-08-2014, 01:33 PM
Tsubone keeping up with Killua´s god speed annoyed me.

If it makes it any easier to swallow, I believe it mostly affects reflexes, it looks like it's more beneficial to acceleration, Tsubone said she barely didn't lose him, and he's carrying someone in his arms.

enkoujin
Sat, 08-09-2014, 09:58 PM
Just realized that between 4:23-5:03 for episode 141, did the animators make a mistake with counting?

Linne Hors-d'oeuvre should be #12, not#11.
Loupe Highland should be #14, not #13.

DarthEnderX
Sun, 08-10-2014, 12:15 AM
Oh yeah, that was another thing.

Apparently, there are 3-Star Hunters too.

And not only are the people Netero brought to fight the ants not 3-star hunters, but even Ging isn't?

I wonder what the requirements are.

Kraco
Sun, 08-10-2014, 02:58 AM
Apparently, there are 3-Star Hunters too.

And not only are the people Netero brought to fight the ants not 3-star hunters, but even Ging isn't?

I wonder what the requirements are.

Who knows. But considering lots of nen users wouldn't go around flaunting their exact skills, evaluating a person's powers could be difficult, so those stars might not have much to do with that. Perhaps they are like merit badges for people who have done a lot for the organization. Though I do have to wonder what Ging would have bothered to do.

Buffalobiian
Sun, 08-10-2014, 03:10 AM
They seem merit based if Morel was to be promoted for defeating Ants despite the organisation not know what he did exactly.

Penner
Tue, 08-12-2014, 02:46 PM
Ep 142 is out!



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Shit, these eps are too damn short!

MFauli
Tue, 08-12-2014, 03:55 PM
im not buying this. why would gotoh focus only on the coins? thats such beginner behavior. someone his level would always take into account everything. weird. oh well.

Kraco
Tue, 08-12-2014, 04:22 PM
im not buying this. why would gotoh focus only on the coins? thats such beginner behavior. someone his level would always take into account everything. weird. oh well.

Yeah, it was pretty strange. In the first place, if he suspected the coins would be launched remotely, he should have jumped to another location first. Perhaps he has some skill to fake his death. Although you'd think Hisoka wouldn't be careless enough to fall for such a thing.

I wonder what good those airships are if you can follow them on the ground. Why use them in the first place? The world is pretty strange for not having fixed wings aircrafts, but to make the airships so useless as well is even stranger. Are they only meant for crossing seas and oceans, barely faster than ships?

Buffalobiian
Tue, 08-12-2014, 06:55 PM
Gotoh died, there's no faking that. He was a pretty cool butler, but I suppose his ability was a bit limited. I don't remember him being able to fire on the move, for one.

The spin move was pretty well done though, but I suppose being a butler means you get used to protecting masters instead of killing like Hisoka does.

Perhaps the other question would be where Tsubone went. She was the obvious butler threat but disappeared while Amane met up at the airport. She's still somewhat an ally of Killua's so it's better than having her killed off by Illumi at least.

shinta|hikari
Tue, 08-12-2014, 10:39 PM
Perhaps the other question would be where Tsubone went. She was the obvious butler threat but disappeared while Amane met up at the airport. She's still somewhat an ally of Killua's so it's better than having her killed off by Illumi at least.

Probably tracking them magically.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 08-13-2014, 12:30 AM
I'm conflicted. On the one hand, I liked Gotoh, on the other, it's cool seeing Hisoka take someone out.

That's the problem with having such a likable antagonist.

Penner
Wed, 08-13-2014, 01:34 AM
I kinda want Hisoka to fight and kill Illumi, although the way things are right now that seems unlikely, unless Illumi tries to harm/kill Gon as a way to get to Killua/Alluka or something like that.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 08-13-2014, 07:05 AM
I kinda want Hisoka to fight and kill Illumi, although the way things are right now that seems unlikely, unless Illumi tries to harm/kill Gon as a way to get to Killua/Alluka or something like that.

It sounded like if Illumi was to kill Gon, Hisoka would just regrettably relent. Hisoka wants strong people to fight, and that's the only reason he's "raising" Gon. There are always strong people around to fight however, so Gon isn't terribly unique in that sense.

Killua is a brother to Illumi and Illumi is some sort of special ally/friend of Hisoka's though, so those two relationships would both take priority over Gon/Hisoka.

Kraco
Wed, 08-13-2014, 07:41 AM
It sounded like if Illumi was to kill Gon, Hisoka would just regrettably relent. Hisoka wants strong people to fight, and that's the only reason he's "raising" Gon. There are always strong people around to fight however, so Gon isn't terribly unique in that sense.

Killua is a brother to Illumi and Illumi is some sort of special ally/friend of Hisoka's though, so those two relationships would both take priority over Gon/Hisoka.

I don't fully agree. I believe Hisoka enjoys fighting people he knows much more than random strangers, who would be most of those "strong people around to fight". What's more, Gon is somebody whom he has actually witnessed growing stronger, and has had his own part to help get stronger, maybe a small part but a part nonetheless. I don't think Hisoka would be so resourceless he would need to choose between Illumi/Killua and Gon, if it really came down to it. I also doubt Illumi is the kind of guy and personality who would feel betrayed if Hisoka ensured Gon's survival. People in their position would never have that sort of trusted friends and allies. They are both liars of convenience as well, so whatever they say doesn't really matter.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 08-13-2014, 08:05 AM
How do you explain that comment he made that he'd like Gon to survive if possible? That's an internal monologue, so he doesn't need to lie. If he just stopped helping Illumi, then Gon's survival seems to be 100% possible. Then there's that image where Gon's merely one of Hisoka's many playthings. Gon's a particularly promising one, but the very reason Hisoka doesn't even bother fighting Illumi shows that having Illumi has a role that makes him more important than the mere enjoyment the others provide.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 08-13-2014, 09:25 AM
Killua is a brother to Illumi and Illumi is some sort of special ally/friend of Hisoka's though, so those two relationships would both take priority over Gon/Hisoka.Well, the plaything scene you mentioned kind of makes it clear that he doesn't regard Illumi as much different than Gon.

1693

Gon, Killua, the Zoldyks, the Spiders, the Zodiacs, his exam instructors. They're all his playthings.

Much like his membership in the Spiders, it's obvious his alliance with Illumi is a means for him to get to fight the other Zoldyks eventually.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 08-13-2014, 09:34 AM
That's true. I agree then that Illumi isn't indispensable. I also agree that Illumi is beneficial in that he'll allow Hisoka access to more targets, while Gon will only provide himself.

Kraco
Wed, 08-13-2014, 10:17 AM
How do you explain that comment he made that he'd like Gon to survive if possible? That's an internal monologue, so he doesn't need to lie. If he just stopped helping Illumi, then Gon's survival seems to be 100% possible.

Like I said before, I don't think Hisoka is that helpless and I very much doubt he would consider himself helpless; he would hardly be chasing big shots to fight if he did. But he's also a magician playing with cards, so he must understand odds and based on his personality he's not only satisfied with 100% favourable prediction. In fact that would be far too boring for somebody like Hisoka. Thus, he helps Illumi but if it comes down to it, he might help Gon as well, depending on which would lead to the most amusing outcome. He seems to genuinely enjoy hanging around with Illumi, so for the time being he wouldn't fight Killua for real. It's likely he wouldn't anyway since Killua (or Gon) is not yet mature enough. He would rather fight the Gon that killed Pitou, no doubt.


Gon will only provide himself.

Dunno. He might be aiming for Gon's old man as well. Seems like a potentially promising target.

MFauli
Wed, 08-13-2014, 11:56 AM
all this talk about hisoka searching for strong opponents makes me think: just how strong is he really? is he simply a total loon, indifferent about his own survival, or is he actually capable of winning against Crolo, Netero, Ging and other uber strong characters that he´s always trying to fight?

DarthEnderX
Wed, 08-13-2014, 12:33 PM
My favorite moment from last week.

http://i.imgur.com/yzy4R2T.gif

Noses are for scrubs.


He might be aiming for Gon's old man as well. Seems like a potentially promising target.Again, judging by the playthings image, he definitely is.


all this talk about hisoka searching for strong opponents makes me think: just how strong is he really? is he simply a total loon, indifferent about his own survival, or is he actually capable of winning against Crolo, Netero, Ging and other uber strong characters that he´s always trying to fight?I'm also curious about this exact thing. I mean sure, Bungee Gum is useful and all, but it honestly doesn't seem ridiculously powerful. Those other guys are monsters. I'm honestly curious if he's been hiding abilities.

poopdeville
Wed, 08-13-2014, 03:00 PM
He's stupid strong. He came in third place at Genei Ryodan arm wrestling. Kuroro came in at 7th.

So, in a fight, Kuroro would have trouble keeping up with him. Which is bad, because Bungee Gum would let Hisoka do the kinds of things he did against Goteau. Indirect, high speed, opportunistic attacks.

Contrast this to Silva and Zeno. They doubled up on him with direct, high speed, opportunistic attacks. Zeno and Silva effectively traded the role of being a distraction to Kuroro and attacked when they had an opening.

Hisoka could be the distraction and the attacker at the same time. He would be at least as effective as those two against Kuroro. If not more so.

So yeah, Hisoka probably lives up to the hype.

Penner
Wed, 08-13-2014, 03:08 PM
I had to check google who the fuck Kuroro was, lol. I've only ever seen him called Chrollo.

I've always wondered how strong Hisoka actually is. I really want to see him in a full-on life or death type fight.

poopdeville
Wed, 08-13-2014, 03:31 PM
I had to check google who the fuck Kuroro was, lol. I've only ever seen him called Chrollo.


That's funny. "The Hunter × Hunter Character and World Data book spell his name as Quwrof Wrlccywrlir."

MFauli
Wed, 08-13-2014, 03:33 PM
I really want to see him in a full-on life or death type fight.

But that´s what I´m contesting: Hisoka didn´t care much about losing an entire arm in his fight against the doppelganger user in the battle tower arc. You could argue that he knew the spider girl would re-attach it, but still ...!

Ao while Hisoka definitely IS strong, I fear he´s more on the lunatic side, all things considered. Meaning, we won´t ever be able to judge, if he´s in a life or death-situation, because he himself won´t treat it any differently than a fight where he´d have no troubles with.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 08-13-2014, 04:43 PM
@Kraco: I'm talking about IF/when he had to choose. Your suggestion of > 100% works both ways.

And as for Gon's dad, I'm not all that sure that Hisoka would need Gon for that, especiallu when Ging doesn't give a shit about any of it.

Kraco
Wed, 08-13-2014, 05:21 PM
@Kraco: I'm talking about IF/when he had to choose. Your suggestion of > 100% works both ways.

And as for Gon's dad, I'm not all that sure that Hisoka would need Gon for that, especiallu when Ging doesn't give a shit about any of it.

You know, it's only in the B drama where people have to make that choice. In better fiction they don't choose either alternative but the third option for the smart people. Illumi holds no power over Hisoka whatsoever. I kind of doubt he's even paying him anything for helping with his little personal project of trying to get rid of Alluka. Hisoka is merely playing along with nothing better to do, but he has no reason whatsoever to compromise his own fun for the sake of Illumi's goals. Yet he can naturally never know what will happen with people of Illumi's caliber being involved, that's what his internal monologue meant. Whether he has to do anything at all, is a different thing. It could be that everything will go smoothly (for Gon) or they will never get anywhere near him in the first place.

Ging doesn't seem to care that much right now, having lots of faith and trust in his kid, but if Hisoka killed Gon in a fight, things might be different. He could actually fight and not slip out of the confrontation. Naturally we as the audience know we will never see that, but from Hisoka's pov it's a possibility.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 08-13-2014, 09:35 PM
On that subject of Ging, I think the reason he doesn't go to see Gon is because he knows it's Gon's life quest to track him down, and if he goes to him, he's basically robbing his son of his accomplishment.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 08-13-2014, 10:15 PM
He is robbing his son of making far more meaningful accomplishments by doing so. It's not like Gon is going to just rot and die after he meets his father. If anything, that is the start of his own journey.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 08-13-2014, 10:43 PM
He is robbing his son of making far more meaningful accomplishments by doing so.No, he'd make his son a failure by doing so.

Hunting down his father is the first real hunt Gon has decided to undertake(possibly 2nd after returning that badge to Hisoka). If he goes to see Gon, then Gon failed to catch him, Ging came to him.

If Gon fails at one of the first real hunts he decided to pursue, then it's going to undermine whatever he attempts to do afterward.

Yes, once Gon has caught his dad, what he does next IS the start of his own journey. But whether Ging goes to see him or not will determine whether Gon starts out that journey as a successful hunter, or as a failure.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 08-13-2014, 11:23 PM
Shounen bullshit.

If Gon became a failure because he met his father (sweat drop), he really doesn't amount to much does he?

Actually, I think I am looking at this from the wrong lens.

Indeed, for shounen stories, you are correct. Ging cannot meet with Gon of his own volition. The fact that he is parading around in public while his son is dying is an insult to whatever value Gon's hunt has though.

DarthEnderX
Thu, 08-14-2014, 02:08 AM
Indeed, for shounen stories, you are correct. Ging cannot meet with Gon of his own volition. The fact that he is parading around in public while his son is dying is an insult to whatever value Gon's hunt has though.I'm sure to Ging it's the exact opposite of that.

That's the kind of man Ging is. He feels the same way Netero did, where the adventure of the hunt is the most important thing in the world. More important even than your life. I mean, you're talking about the character that abandoned Gon in the first place to pursue his own personal adventures.

Spoiling Gon's hunt would devalue everything Gon has worked for up to this point in Ging's mind.

Buffalobiian
Thu, 08-14-2014, 03:21 AM
Ging doesn't seem to care that much right now, having lots of faith and trust in his kid, but if Hisoka killed Gon in a fight, things might be different. He could actually fight and not slip out of the confrontation. Naturally we as the audience know we will never see that, but from Hisoka's pov it's a possibility.

Ging is a fatalist. If Gon survives this, then he's naturally strong enough to. If he dies from this, then he's simply not worthy of being his son. The same goes for Gon surviving against an encounter with Hisoka.

Ging just left Gon as a baby and thought "My son will grow up nice and strong because, you know.. he's my son."

shinta|hikari
Thu, 08-14-2014, 07:49 AM
What a useless father LOL.

It sounds cool in anime, but logically speaking he is utter trash. I'm glad Leorio called him out for it, showing that not everyone in the show is a self absorbed fool.

Buffalobiian
Thu, 08-14-2014, 08:46 AM
(Forgot to add this conclusion to my previous post. It's kind of implied, but I should say it properly):


Ging is a fatalist. If Gon survives this, then he's naturally strong enough to. If he dies from this, then he's simply not worthy of being his son. The same goes for Gon surviving against an encounter with Hisoka.

.. and that's why killing Gon personally doesn't mean Hisoka will have a fight with Ging.

Kraco
Thu, 08-14-2014, 09:21 AM
I don't think we know enough about him to go that far, Bill. Personally I think DE might be correct in deducing Ging's reason not to even visit Gon (not that Gon would know anything of it, being a coma patient), but that's still a far cry from being so cold he wouldn't care at all if Gon was killed. If he really didn't give a shit, he wouldn't have left the message in Greed Island. He would have just abandoned Gon and never looked back like a genuine scumbag.

DarthEnderX
Thu, 08-14-2014, 12:56 PM
It sounds cool in anime, but logically speaking he is utter trash.Absolutely. Like you said, it's shounen bullshit. In real life, he'd be a scumbag.

But it is shounen anime, so it's a cool "as expected of my son" attitude.

shinta|hikari
Thu, 08-14-2014, 09:58 PM
Togashi could have added a bit more support from Ging for Gon here and there that will keep him from dying, to make it look like Ging gives a shit.

It would have been cliche as hell, but at least better than asshat dad.

Unless Ging is supposed to be an actual asshat trash of a father. If so, I guess that's okay. I just hope they don't pull a "he actually cares about Gon!" asspull on us.

exglitch67
Fri, 08-15-2014, 12:03 AM
Togashi could have added a bit more support from Ging for Gon here and there that will keep him from dying, to make it look like Ging gives a shit.

It would have been cliche as hell, but at least better than asshat dad.

Unless Ging is supposed to be an actual asshat trash of a father. If so, I guess that's okay. I just hope they don't pull a "he actually cares about Gon!" asspull on us.

Is he really an asshat trash father though? Or is he just a really obsessed hunter? I know the two aren't mutually exclusive but I feel like he even looked at Gon as a mission. I am sure Ging wanted to raise him the best way he knew how and wanted Gon to grow up strong. That bastard became a hunter! One of the youngest to boot, all in pursuit of his father. When he questioned Leorio "Did Gon ask to see me?" that was a serious question. Kite asked Gon the same thing, and Gon said no. I have no expectation that Gon wants Ging to visit him. Gon left on a mission to find Ging, and Ging left Gon hints along the way. At any time Gon could of done something else and resented the father that abandoned him but he didn't. Ging's whole MO is "get the target to move how you want" and I think he knew exactly what Gon was going to do because of the whole "as expected of my son" mentality.

After the drawing episode with the Zodiacs I don't think it is a leap to believe that Ging has charted Gon's development since he left Gon on that Island with a caring, nurturing mother figure and wild animals to chase in order for Gon to become a physical beast with a good disposition.

DarthEnderX
Fri, 08-15-2014, 01:31 AM
That bastard became a hunter! One of the youngest to boot, all in pursuit of his father.Technically, according to the original series, Gon became a hunter because of Kite, not his father. Kite is the one who taught him what being a Hunter was, and what it meant.


Is he really an asshat trash father though? Or is he just a really obsessed hunter?If he abandoned his kid because of his obsession with hunting, then he's both. Because that's something only an asshat trash father would do.

The only way that that would be excusable is if Ging's work with the Hunters is somehow preventing the world his son lives in from being destroyed or something.

Like if things like Chimera Ants are always threatening to wipe out humanity, and Ging is one of the only people preventing it.

Kraco
Fri, 08-15-2014, 02:39 AM
The only way that that would be excusable is if Ging's work with the Hunters is somehow preventing the world his son lives in from being destroyed or something.

Like if things like Chimera Ants are always threatening to wipe out humanity, and Ging is one of the only people preventing it.

There's no danger of that, for good or for ill. He could spend a considerable time building Greed Island with his friends, and that was for absolutely no higher purpose. Even his message to Gon was: Hey, look at what I could pull off with my buddies!

Penner
Tue, 08-19-2014, 03:49 PM
Ep 143 is out.

Kraco
Tue, 08-19-2014, 04:02 PM
143:





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It baffles me Teradein was such a huge loser. He didn't even put up a fight. He would have had absolutely no business being the new boss of Hunters. But then again, he looked like a politician, so I guess it makes sense he couldn't do anything himself.

Hisoka is bloody evil. I had forgotten that, and all the joking didn't remind me adequately. You never know what he might do. Such a jolly fellow and living true to his nature.

Killua is becoming really soft. He doesn't belong among his family anymore, aside from Alluka. Apparently this show is ending in five eps if memory serves, so his softness won't affect lots of things anymore, which is good. It was better when Gon was strange and Killua was tough.

Penner
Tue, 08-19-2014, 04:23 PM
Apparently this show is ending in five eps if memory serves

Waaait... what the what? Seriously?

MFauli
Tue, 08-19-2014, 04:40 PM
Waaait... what the what? Seriously?

something like that. the story isn´t over, per se, but we´ll have run out of source material. At this point, we should pray that Togashi says "screw it!" and just hands over some scripts to the anime team, giving up on the manga version that would take another 10 years, if at all, to produce enough chapters for 2-3 anime-arcs.

@episode: That was new, regarding the "Nanika isn´t cruel when someone wishes good", right? Interesting.

And I´m kinda shocked how weak all those other hunters are, especially Bushidora. Or, how strong Hisoka is. I agree that it was fantastic seeing him ponder who he should best kill to get the most enjoyable result. At one point I expected to see a fight between Hisoka and Illumi, which would have been cool :D

Also of note: Leorio is now number #2. Since it´d be dumb to spend sooo much time showing the voting process, I cannot see Pariston winning, cause that would mean this guy´s plans worked out as he intended. And that would be boring. Since there´s no better alternative ... I actually see Leorio winning this. And ... how absurdly cool would THAT be!

Kraco
Tue, 08-19-2014, 05:01 PM
Waaait... what the what? Seriously?

Alright, I dug the source up: According to Gon's voice actor (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-08-17/megumi-han-hunter-x-hunter-anime-to-end-at-episode-148/.77699), at the very least.

Penner
Tue, 08-19-2014, 05:13 PM
Well shit...

Edort4
Tue, 08-19-2014, 07:28 PM
Anyone knows the meaning of the symbols behind Netero in the opening? I wonder what that last rule is that has Killua so panicked. I belive that it has something to do with freeing Alluka. Anyway Killua seems to like both personalities of Alluka so I dont see him getting rid of Something to tell the truth.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 08-19-2014, 09:30 PM
Man, what is even going ON in this arc anymore?

I'm not sure what Hisoka is even doing. Illumi doesn't seem to need his help, so why is he just going around killing obviously weak hunters?

If I didn't know better, it would seem like he's killing off Pariston's competition.


The fact that a healing wish results in kind requests is a real game-changer.


Since it´d be dumb to spend sooo much time showing the voting process, I cannot see Pariston winning, cause that would mean this guy´s plans worked out as he intended. And that would be boring.Unless it's showing you a future antagonist's rise to power. In which case it would be completely worth the time to show it.


Waaait... what the what? Seriously?Yeah, this arc is supposedly really short, and the next one has barely gotten started.

enkoujin
Tue, 08-19-2014, 10:20 PM
Anyone knows the meaning of the symbols behind Netero in the opening? I wonder what that last rule is that has Killua so panicked. I belive that it has something to do with freeing Alluka. Anyway Killua seems to like both personalities of Alluka so I dont see him getting rid of Something to tell the truth.

Using my limited Chinese, here are the characters:


大丰 | 心

Not too sure what 大丰 means, but if you look at each character separately, 大 means big. 丰 means abundant/plentiful. 心 means either the heart or the mind (learning towards the former). Probably just Buddhist-influenced principles that Netero stands by.


Waaait... what the what? Seriously?

Hello, Hunter x Hunter (2026)!

DarthEnderX
Tue, 08-19-2014, 10:55 PM
Those symbols already showed up on a sign in-episode and they were translated then. It was something like "great heart" or something.

MFauli
Wed, 08-20-2014, 04:40 AM
Unless it's showing you a future antagonist's rise to power. In which case it would be completely worth the time to show it..

You´re right. But then I´d like to witness his battle powress first. Seeing all those hunters getting killed so easily by Hisoka makes me question ... everybody lol. We either need more powerful hunters or find out why Hisoka is so strong.

David75
Wed, 08-20-2014, 04:53 AM
I wonder if the last rule Killua is hiding is related to the consequences of healing.
Right after healing that hand, "Nanika" needed to sleep. Questions are: How much time Nanika needs to recover, is it proportionnal to the difficulty of the healing. Also, could it be dangerous to Alluka or only to Nanika?
Somehow I feel like healing Gon is almost like getting someone back from the dead. It might be that Gon needs several decades worth of lifeenergy to be healed.
I would not be surprised then if it becomes Killua's solution to free Alluka from Nanika's curse.
Healing Gon will either kill Nanika -without killing Alluka that is- or put it to sleep for several decades, in both cases Alluka would be freed from the curse for her lifetime.
But that's really too convenient for Killua and the story, so I guess it should be a little more complicated than that.
Also, I guess Killua has to wait for someone to wish something, before he wishes to heal Gon.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 08-20-2014, 06:07 AM
I would not be surprised then if it becomes Killua's solution to free Alluka from Nanika's curse.
Healing Gon will either kill Nanika -without killing Alluka that is- or put it to sleep for several decades, in both cases Alluka would be freed from the curse for her lifetime.
But that's really too convenient for Killua and the story, so I guess it should be a little more complicated than that.
Also, I guess Killua has to wait for someone to wish something, before he wishes to heal Gon.

I think that may be exactly how it would go David, it sounds about right. I'm not sure why they'd necessarily put a needle back into Killua though.

As for Killua making 2 wishes in a row, the translations said you can't, right? In that case, Killua's already done that. "Heal Tsubone" and "Give me a kiss if we leave this mountain in 30mins" were both his wishes.

David75
Wed, 08-20-2014, 06:15 AM
I'm not very confident in what I remember from previous eps, but there was a difference between wishes and commands/orders right?
I don't remember the details and hope the translation was right about that.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 08-20-2014, 06:21 AM
I'm not very confident in what I remember from previous eps, but there was a difference between wishes and commands/orders right?
I don't remember the details and hope the translation was right about that.

This happened when Tsubone performed a request from Alluka then went into hiding, meaning Tsubone must be the person to fulfil 2 more requests before another wish could be granted. That's when Killua said "I can't make a wish, but I can still issue a command."

I had no idea what that meant though. To me they're one and the same.

TwisT
Tue, 08-26-2014, 02:42 PM
144 is out

Kraco
Tue, 08-26-2014, 03:26 PM
Let's forget jerking off.

Kind of a strange episode at this point, after the intensive previous one. Practically no Killua at all. The only really meaningful parts in my opinion were Ging revealing some hidden info (he really is a proper hunter, no surprises there) and how Gon has so many people who care, as was evident from all the hunters guarding his infirmary.

MFauli
Tue, 08-26-2014, 03:48 PM
as was evident from all the hunters guarding his infirmary.

and from ALL hunters applauding leorio´s speech, which totally focused on gon. gon is like the most liked person within all hunters, it seems, lol.


anyway, the only interesting part imo was the shift towards leorio. that was nobody´s plan. dog girl wanted to win prior to the speech-session. pariston neither wants to win nor to lose. cow guy acts in favor of dog girl. and then out of nowhere everybody loves leorio ... and all the others are forced to change their plan on the fly.

im looking forward to the candidates´ debate next week. will pariton´s tricks work? leorio certainly is the weakest member in this debate. his focus on gon won´t work there. so its up to the other three to achieve something.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 08-26-2014, 09:24 PM
So...if I understood Ging's insinuation correctly, he was saying that either Pariston was planning to, or that Cheadle SHOULD:

1. Hatch the 500 Chimera Ant hybrids who will have Nen.
2. Have them all take the Hunter exam which is apparently before the final vote. Which most would probably pass with Nen abilities.
3. Convince these 500 new Hunters to vote the way they want.


I have to say, I'm kinda psyched at the prospect that Leorio might actually win this.


and from ALL hunters applauding leorio´s speech, which totally focused on gon. gon is like the most liked person within all hunters, it seems, lol.I'm sure most of them were simply applauding Leorio's sentiment of doing everything you can to help save your friend. I can't imagine the vast majority of them have any idea who Gon even is.


Not too sure what 大丰 meansThey showed it again this episode. It was translated as "Heart is valuable."

poopdeville
Tue, 08-26-2014, 11:05 PM
I'm sure most of them were simply applauding Leorio's sentiment of doing everything you can to help save your friend. I can't imagine the vast majority of them have any idea who Gon even is.


They probably also want a strong leader -- i.e., someone with actually leadership potential. Mizai could qualify, but he doesn't want the job. Everybody was clearly impressed that Leorio promised to run the organization like he owns those bitches. The fact that Leorio even brought up Gon showed a lot of hunters that he has his own priorities.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 08-27-2014, 05:11 AM
I'm even more convinced that Killua intends to use Something to lift the curse off both Alluka and Gon. If he only wishes for Something to heal Gon, Something would fall asleep for a very long time to recover. I'm not sure if that applies to just Something or Alluka as well, but if the latter then I would hardly consider it "saving".

Edort4
Wed, 08-27-2014, 05:47 AM
Watching this episode felt as if I missed something from the previous one. The change of story was so sudden I had to go back to re-watch the past votings.

I didnt understand what Ging was saying to Cheadle. Is Pariston waiting for the ant warriors to hatch and take them to someplace under his command? Is he trying to get/train an army of nen users? From what I understood his plan was to stretch the voting indefinitely so no new leadership/bureaucracy can discover/ruin his plans and have all the hunters "caught" in the voting. Not getting hundreds of new hunters for voting.

Gon, Killua and the rest of the flower-power gang will get into the voting in some sort of dramatic effect to break the tie in Leorios favor.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 08-27-2014, 07:42 AM
I understood that Pariston wanted the Ants to participate in the next Hunter Exam (soon) under the current rules, so he's locking out a change of ruling party since that could change it. Plus he's just having fun right now anyway.

David75
Tue, 09-02-2014, 03:16 PM
Ep 145

You can get it through IRC, search at nibl.co.uk then connect to rizon and join #nibl room (for example)
You can get the torrent at www.shanaproject.com (http://www.shanaproject.com) . The site is a little overloaded with what's happening to nyaa and HS, but the page will eventually load ;)

Tokyotosho seems to lag in presenting the torrents, seems they also suffered from DoS but came back quicker than HS and nyaa.

Regarding the ep, well nothing much to be suprised about, even about the hidden rule. It's not because I didn't see that one, it was such a surprise.
Regarding the election, well I was not into that sub plot to begin with, so I do not really care.
Pariston can still lose if Gon shouts: Vote Leorio...
Or if there's a draw, If the rule states at least 50% and Leorio and Pariston get exactly the same number of votes, they both can take the position.
Somehow, I feel like Pariston was perfect in his Vice Chairman role, probably because we do not know what in his past made him to be despised so much by the oder Zodiacs.
So why not a shared Chairman position?

Kraco
Tue, 09-02-2014, 03:44 PM
Is there some kind of link between Illumi and Alluka, or rather Something? The super nen surrounding the building was a mix of white and black nen (I don't think we have seen black nen too often, have we?), and Illumi was similarly surrounded by black, smoke like nen when he was observing the situation and desiring to make it his. Or was he simply impressed and greedy?

I find it a bit funny after all his adventures basically centered around finding his old man, instead of some hard to reach, far away place, Gon caught up with him at the bloody Hunters HQ because Ging was stuck there just like nearly every other pro hunter, and Gon was brought there as a patient, not particularly out of his own will.

Who knows what Pariston has in mind, but Leorio would have been a puppet leader if he had been elected. His interests lie elsewhere, mainly with his friends and his studies. So, I don't think he really should be a candidate in the elections in the first place. Pariston might make a better chairman anyway than any of the other top contenders nearing the end. They were all bureaucrats, sticklers to the rules, goody two shoes, and whatever. None of them probably understood the old chairman, save Pariston and Ging. Sure, there could be a good portion of hunters who wanted (maybe against their own better judgement) the Hunters to turn into something resembling a government organization or paramilitary, but generally speaking that's not what it was founded to be.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 09-02-2014, 09:42 PM
well nothing much to be suprised about, even about the hidden rule. It's not because I didn't see that one, it was such a surprise.What hidden rule? Are you talking about an Alluka rule? If a new rule was revealed, I missed it somehow.


Somehow, I feel like Pariston was perfect in his Vice Chairman roleThat's generally the case. Surrounding yourself with yes-men rarely ever leads to effective leadership. Having someone nearby who is always taking the opposite viewpoint gives you a better perspective on issues.


probably because we do not know what in his past made him to be despised so much by the oder Zodiacs.Assuming there even is some past event. His personality is such that anyone who spends more than 5 minutes with him finds him incredibly smarmy and manipulative.


Is there some kind of link between Illumi and Alluka, or rather Something? The super nen surrounding the building was a mix of white and black nen (I don't think we have seen black nen too often, have we?), and Illumi was similarly surrounded by black, smoke like nen when he was observing the situation and desiring to make it his. Or was he simply impressed and greedy?I believe he just got excited and released his aura. I'm pretty sure it was similar to when Hisoka asked if he could kill Killua.


I find it a bit funny after all his adventures basically centered around finding his old man, instead of some hard to reach, far away place, Gon caught up with him at the bloody Hunters HQ because Ging was stuck there just like nearly every other pro hunter, and Gon was brought there as a patient, not particularly out of his own will.It IS pretty funny. I'm honestly expecting the next episode to start with Ging smashing his way out through the wall.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 09-03-2014, 02:32 AM
Or if there's a draw, If the rule states at least 50% and Leorio and Pariston get exactly the same number of votes, they both can take the position.

That won't happen because the rules actually state that the winner has to win by majority.

I'm not entirely sure how this is all going to work out for Alluka, because I was under the impression that healing puts them both to sleep (hence why she was sleeping). If Something simply disappears when it's asleep, that sleeping bit was pretty misleading since it wasn't night time or anything.

MFauli
Tue, 09-09-2014, 03:37 PM
episode 146 is out
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I have no idea what´s going on with Alluka anymore and how Killua hopes to save her, but ... omg, Nanika´s facial expression was so damn cute. I want a plushie version of her :>

Major lol @ all the hunters booing Ging for being a bad father. He SO deserved that lol. Felt so good.

With Gon having met him, I wonder where the story is even going now. Next episode will probably mark the last episode. Time to start reading the manga then, I guess. Really curious ... a shounen series without a clear goal? Unthinkable.

Edit:

Also, I like Pariston. He´s a genuine troll, a jokester to the max. He seems like a more self-controlled version of Hisoka to me. Genuinely sad about Netero´s death, too. I´d love to see him during an adventure journey, fighting enemies like the Chimera royals.

Harima Kenji
Tue, 09-09-2014, 04:28 PM
The whole Alluka/Nanika thing is very interesting. I never considered Alluka and Nanika to be friends inside the same body. How this will develop will be interesting to see, since basically Killua can command Nanika to defeat/remove any bad guy by command, since that doesn't seem to require payback other then praise.

The whole Pariston thing was unexpected, yet só Pariston. He didn't really win or lose, just like he wanted. He just had fun messing with people.

Meeting Ging seemed like the end point of the series, but know that it's happened is't like "oh, hey, talk to ya later." What motivation does Gon have at the moment to travel anywhere.. other than going to see Kurapica to check up on him. I guess we'll see next week.

If there is any overall bad guy in the series it has to be Illumi for Killua and Hisoka for Gon. Something like a goal to become better than them.
It sure is refreshing to see a shounen series this far in without a true final enemy to beat.


If the manga isn't much further away, I can see the series be picked up (or rebooted again) in like, 10 years, since the previous series finished 10 years ago with the greed island arc and took 10 years for 2 arcs.. that's depressing.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 09-10-2014, 12:46 AM
Next episode will probably mark the last episode.2 episodes left according to the schedule.


I have no idea what´s going on with Alluka anymore and how Killua hopes to save herI'm guessing she's just going to be permanently hanging out with him and Gon now. And they just have to deal with Illumi being a constant looming antagonist.


Meeting Ging seemed like the end point of the series, but know that it's happened is't like "oh, hey, talk to ya later." What motivation does Gon have at the moment to travel anywhere.. other than going to see Kurapica to check up on him.Well that's just silly. Catching Ging was just a goal to show that he was a capable Hunter. Now that he's caught Ging(although I still think this is kinda cheating), he has to surpass him, with new goals and adventures of his own choosing. Because Gon is the main character, not Ging.


It sure is refreshing to see a shounen series this far in without a true final enemy to beat.
Is it?


I can see the series be picked up (or rebooted again) in like, 10 yearsIt shouldn't need to be rebooted again.

Really the only reason they rebooted this time was to remake the series in HD, and to get rid of the filler.

This version is pretty definitive to this point in the series(except, again, for leaving out the early Kite stuff).

Buffalobiian
Wed, 09-10-2014, 01:28 AM
The surprising thing with Alluka, besides the fact that she communicates with Something, is that she is capable of more than just slow, 3-year-old speech. She actually articulate there.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 09-10-2014, 07:28 AM
This was my favorite episode of the entire arc. Something's sudden development was very powerful. The art for her face and VA for the childish affirmative replies were excellent.

My rationality completely agreed with Killua's decision to seal Something, but at the same time I wanted to kick him in the jaw for making Something cry like that. The repeated "I love you" parts made me cry.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 09-10-2014, 09:25 AM
On the subject of Pariston, it's just like Ging said, Pariston is like Ging and Netero. All he cares about is a worthy opponent. Having something to test himself against. It's just that Pariston likes to test himself mentally/politically.

Once he'd won the election, he didn't care about it anymore, because there was no one to oppose him, no challenge, so no reason to remain Chairman.


Interestingly, this makes Hisoka one of the characters that is most in-line with these character's motivations.


My rationality completely agreed with Killua's decision to seal Something, but at the same time I wanted to kick him in the jaw for making Something cry like that. The repeated "I love you" parts made me cry.Yeah, all through this arc people were saying "he should just wish that she doesn't grant anymore wishes". It seemed like the obvious conclusion to come to...right up until they revealed that Something was a real person with feelings. Which immediately makes it a dick decision.

enkoujin
Sun, 09-14-2014, 10:20 AM
Yeah, all through this arc people were saying "he should just wish that she doesn't grant anymore wishes". It seemed like the obvious conclusion to come to...right up until they revealed that Something was a real person with feelings. Which immediately makes it a dick decision.

That logically would've been the best move: to wish that Something doesn't grant any more wishes, but still allow her to still exist and come out as an alter ego.

Kraco
Tue, 09-16-2014, 02:58 PM
147:







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I didn't like this episode much. Not much at all. The scene I wanted to see the most was Killua introducing Alluka to Gon, but instead we got a long scene of the koala ant telling his meaningless life story and the great philosophies of an eneducated hitman. Kite not saying anything was in fact a good decision direction wise, but it doesn't change the fact the whole thing was meaningless. Maybe it wouldn't be if the Kite arc was ahead of us, but it's in fact behind us now, and we already knew Kite cheated death, so that should have been enough. Gon meeting Kite of course was needed. But I still wanted to see his first meeting with Killua's sister far more. Gon would have been the first truly friendly person with no duty bound attachment or anything of that sort that Alluka met in her life, in addition to being the second most important to Killua. The scene could have been really good. Instead we got the Memoirs of a Random Killer...

I guess I wasn't in any proper mindset to judge the episode after that, but it did leave me distinctly unsatisfied.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 09-16-2014, 08:24 PM
It was a weird choice of character to spend a bunch of time on, unless Koala is going to be important later.

Kinda like how I thought Welfin kept getting such an inordinate amount of screentime for such a secondary character, but then he ended up being really important in the end.


At first, I was worried that getting to the top of this tree was going to be a whole nother story arc, but that doesn't look to be the case.


It's weird that the 2nd to last episode is the one that gets the special credits sequence. Unless the last one also gets one.

Crash
Wed, 09-17-2014, 01:18 PM
I agree the Koala scene seemed unnecessary, but who knows maybe this leads to some arc where he and kite 2.0 go on some adventures. That's another thing i don't quite get though, how did kite end up as an ant? As far as we can tell none of him was eaten. I suppose there was that vague insinuation from Ging that somehow his nen ability did it? That's no crazier than any other ability, but it kinda leaves a bad taste for me. I liked that Kite was dead. It was an important event that hopefully was going to force Gon to grow up as a Hunter. Kite's resurrection kind of cheapens the whole thing a bit, but it is what it is. Great show is still great. Looking forward to Gon talking with Ging.

Kraco
Wed, 09-17-2014, 01:52 PM
That's another thing i don't quite get though, how did kite end up as an ant? As far as we can tell none of him was eaten.

His brain probably was eaten, in the hopes of creating a powerful nen using ant for the colony. Pitou hardly needed a brain for the zombie warrior. Maybe other internal organs as well.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 09-17-2014, 03:12 PM
I agree the Koala scene seemed unnecessary, but who knows maybe this leads to some arc where he and kite 2.0 go on some adventures.Spinoff series of Those Wacky Ants starring Kite, Colt, Koala, Meleoron and Ikalgo.


His brain probably was eaten, in the hopes of creating a powerful nen using ant for the colony.I'm curious if we'll ever see Pokkle or Ponzu show up as Ants.

Although I suppose if we were, it would have happened already.

Crash
Wed, 09-17-2014, 05:25 PM
His brain probably was eaten, in the hopes of creating a powerful nen using ant for the colony. Pitou hardly needed a brain for the zombie warrior. Maybe other internal organs as well.

Hmm, yeah i suppose that's could be the case. it never occurred to me since they always just chopped up whole bodies. I stick by not liking it though.


Spinoff series of Those Wacky Ants starring Kite, Colt, Koala, Meleoron and Ikalgo.

I'd watch it. Kite, Meleoron, and Ikalgo were all enjoyable characters.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 09-17-2014, 09:31 PM
I'm kind of wary of the fact that this episode makes it seem like Gon and Killua will be splitting up for awhile.

I am not okay with that.

Buffalobiian
Wed, 09-17-2014, 09:54 PM
I'm kind of wary of the fact that this episode makes it seem like Gon and Killua will be splitting up for awhile.

I am not okay with that.

Could be for an arc or two.

Or in our time, 10 years. :(

Maybe it's simply been so long since we've seen Gon been cheerful, but he seems so much like a little kid - even more than usual. It tested my tolerance after being used to Killua's maturity.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 09-17-2014, 11:16 PM
He acted more like a kid in this episode than he has the entire show.

I'm fine with them splitting up. I want to see how their characters act without depending on each other.

Gon was really calm when he met Kite. I expected some tears at least. It was like his vengeful mode never happened. Jarring.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 09-17-2014, 11:53 PM
It was like his vengeful mode never happened. Jarring.Well, the reason for it pretty much never happened, so that fits.

shinta|hikari
Thu, 09-18-2014, 12:09 AM
That's the point. The relief from that contrast should be proportionately large.

DarthEnderX
Thu, 09-18-2014, 09:00 AM
Of course, who knows what Something really did to him.

On face value, it appears she simply healed him, but it's possible Something's power could have simply reset him somehow instead in order to remove his injuries(like how Inoue in Bleach doesn't actually heal people, she rejects the reality in which they were ever injured). And who knows what else might have been reset along with his injuries.

shinta|hikari
Thu, 09-18-2014, 09:12 AM
I think you should remove the "of course" in your statement, but that is a possibility, yes.

MFauli
Fri, 09-19-2014, 09:30 AM
Unlike others, I found this episode to be surprisingly satisfying for a last episode (or is there another? It wasn´t quite clear. There was something like a preview, but there were also recap-credits, like it was all over). The Koala part was weird, but it kinda established the Chimera-arc as THE end part of the HXH-anime, it gave closure to that. That´s better than ending with this weird chairman election.

And Gon going to meet his dad, well, that´s an end for this anime I can live with. It´s not like other anime that end before a real ending, and have to change from the manga-source OR end with a cliff-hanger.

Almost cried when Killua told Gon he´d always protect Alluka and then Gon looking at him with a manly smile. Fantastic.

DarthEnderX
Fri, 09-19-2014, 12:45 PM
Unlike others, I found this episode to be surprisingly satisfying for a last episode (or is there another?There's one more.

I assume it's just going to be Ging and Gon talking the whole time.

shinta|hikari
Fri, 09-19-2014, 03:31 PM
No, 3/4s of the episode will be about a child that got lost on his way to the store.

Carnage
Sat, 09-20-2014, 09:44 AM
Wow they used one chapter for this entire episode, that is some quality pacing. Togashi said he would probably have 2 arcs after this, but yeah that's going to take 10 years to finish. Maybe at the end of that we'll have HXH Shippuden.

DarthEnderX
Sun, 09-21-2014, 05:58 AM
Wow they used one chapter for this entire episode, that is some quality pacing. Togashi said he would probably have 2 arcs after this, but yeah that's going to take 10 years to finish. Maybe at the end of that we'll have HXH Shippuden.That doesn't seem like an apt comparison.

After all, Naruto never actually stopped airing. Shippuden was just a way to mark the in-series time skip.


It's more like Hajime No Ippo, where the series just ends for years at a time, and then comes back later right where it left off.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 09-23-2014, 04:21 PM
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Well, that certainly was a good stopping point. They didn't even really set up what Gon would be doing next. If anything they set up what Ging would be doing next.


I can't quite tell if the "larger world" Ging was talking about was literally just other continents across the sea, or if it was simply a metaphor for other planets/planes of reality or something. Because he made it sound like getting there was a lot more complicated than just taking a boat.

shinta|hikari
Tue, 09-23-2014, 10:04 PM
Aliens....

Buffalobiian
Wed, 09-24-2014, 02:20 AM
I honestly wouldn't mind if HxH stopped here. More good stuff is welcome of course, but with Gon's main quest done, the point of this series has been achieved. Or are we supposed to feel attachment to our characters and find them to be more important?

Kraco
Wed, 09-24-2014, 06:42 AM
Yeah. Gon has met his goal and doesn't particularly have any shounen quest in mind at this point. Moreover, Ging's dream sounds like something that will need twice as many episodes as what we have had so far, so even if Gon decided to follow the same path, the mangaka would never finish it in our lifetime, with his working speed, or rather a lack of speed. Thus, this is a good point to end the show. I doubt we will see a continuation anymore. This was purposefully a fillerless version of the story, so it's not like they had a choice in any case.

Not a bad last episode, all in all, even if so uneventful that Ging telling the chicks to shut up was the highlight...

shinta|hikari
Wed, 09-24-2014, 07:31 AM
Ging's teaching to his son was probably the most meaningful thing in the episode.

Kraco
Wed, 09-24-2014, 08:18 AM
Ging's teaching to his son was probably the most meaningful thing in the episode.

Yeah? His teaching was basically to chase your dreams and make lots of good friends along the way. As if Gon hadn't been doing that exact thing all along.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 09-24-2014, 08:34 AM
That's the point. He made his son realize the value of the journey he has had so far. It wasn't meeting Ging but gaining comrades. The look of happiness and fulfillment in Gon's face after he heard those words reflect the value and meaning in them.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 09-24-2014, 02:46 PM
I honestly wouldn't mind if HxH stopped here. More good stuff is welcome of course, but with Gon's main quest done, the point of this series has been achieved.I don't know why people keep saying this.

Gon didn't become a Hunter to meet his dad. He became a Hunter because it sounded like the most amazing thing, and catching his dad was just a way for him to prove he'd reached a certain level of skill at Hunting.

Now that he's no longer chasing his dad, he's free to hunt what HE wants.

It's also a shounen series. Shounen series don't end until their main characters are the most powerful characters in the series. And even though Gon met his dad, he's clearly not stronger than him. I mean, shit, even Ging is only a 2-star Hunter, and there are apparently 3-stars. Gon doesn't have any stars yet. And the series just introduced an entire new dimension of potentially stronger characters out there.

shinta|hikari
Wed, 09-24-2014, 03:13 PM
Wait, Gon's goal wasn't to find his father?

I remember that being his goal and that becoming a hunter was the method to achieve it, at least originally.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 09-24-2014, 04:39 PM
Wait, Gon's goal wasn't to find his father?Not really. Remember that it was Kite, not his father, that made him want to be a Hunter in the first place. And it wasn't to find Ging. It was because being a Hunter was so amazing Ging left him behind to continue being one.

It wasn't until Mito gave him that puzzle box from Ging, well after Gon had become a Hunter, that he actually started actively chasing his dad. And that was basically because the box said, "Come and find me." It's because Ging had given him a quest.

Before that his goals after becoming a Hunter had been "Rescue Killua" then "Get stronger in the tower".

shinta|hikari
Wed, 09-24-2014, 04:49 PM
I thought he initially left the island because he wanted to find his father.

Kraco
Wed, 09-24-2014, 05:29 PM
It's also a shounen series. Shounen series don't end until their main characters are the most powerful characters in the series. And even though Gon met his dad, he's clearly not stronger than him. I mean, shit, even Ging is only a 2-star Hunter, and there are apparently 3-stars. Gon doesn't have any stars yet.

That doesn't mean anything. Does Ging look like a man who would care about the number of stars printed on his card? Would he care to update it or go through whatever examination to have it done? In the first place we don't even know if it directly tells about power. It could refer to the person's position, years in Hunters, or years directly serving the organization like belonging to the Zodiac or working as a trainer/Hunter exam organizer, or just sticking to and developing the Hunter ideology. There also isn't any way to measure a person's level of power since it would vary dozens of percents based on who's the opponent.

As we saw in this last arc, there were truly lousy people working as pro-Hunters when Hisoka and Illumi wiped the floor with scores of them. Even one of the top 10 candidates in the election was one shot killed by Hisoka like a sheep. Gon is worlds above those. For all we know, he might qualify for a single star due to his contribution to the ant incident, but I reckon there are other factors that would prevent it, like being a kid and only having a year of membership under his belt.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 09-24-2014, 09:25 PM
In the first place we don't even know if it directly tells about power. It could refer to the person's position, years in Hunters, or years directly serving the organization like belonging to the Zodiac or working as a trainer/Hunter exam organizer, or just sticking to and developing the Hunter ideology.True enough.


There also isn't any way to measure a person's level of power since it would vary dozens of percents based on who's the opponent.That we know of.

Just because they haven't shown us scouters or someone with a power like Fukuro from One Piece, doesn't mean they don't exist in the HxH world.

MFauli
Fri, 09-26-2014, 08:15 AM
Fantastic last episode. As much as it hurts to have no more HXH, this was the best way to end it. No cliffhanger, no truly open quests. Great.

Now to the most important part: WHAT in the world was Ging talking about when he mentioned other worlds? We saw some fantasy map, but surely mankind in HXH is evolved enough to have mapped out the whole globe already, right? So ... aliens or alternate dimensions? Man, this anime/manga could be the most amazing adventure of all times, if only its mangaka did some properly paced work :/
Travelling to other planets is exactly the kind of out-of-nowhere crazy shit that is necessary to follow up the Chimera Ants-arc. It´d also be a great entry level point where ALL hunters/nen-users are the same, nobody knowing more than the other. And given that it´s not earth, they really could introduce additional systems other than Nen. Thinking about gets me so excited ... and it´ll never get anywhere :/

Anyway, best Shounen-anime.

neflight86
Fri, 09-26-2014, 11:57 PM
Excellent final episode to cap off one of the best shounens I've ever enjoyed. It's been a good three years and a most wild ride. I hope to see more someday; but for now this has become the measuring stick.

MFauli
Sat, 09-27-2014, 09:01 AM
btw was the soundtrack already released? Rewatching the Greed Island arc, and I´d love to listen to some of these songs during playing smash bros or whatever :D

Buffalobiian
Sat, 09-27-2014, 10:22 AM
btw was the soundtrack already released? Rewatching the Greed Island arc, and I´d love to listen to some of these songs during playing smash bros or whatever :D

Hunter x Hunter (2011) Music Collection (http://bakabt.me/173377-hunter-x-hunter-2011-music-collection-mp3.html)

enkoujin
Sat, 09-27-2014, 04:03 PM
Now to the most important part: WHAT in the world was Ging talking about when he mentioned other worlds? We saw some fantasy map, but surely mankind in HXH is evolved enough to have mapped out the whole globe already, right? So ... aliens or alternate dimensions? Man, this anime/manga could be the most amazing adventure of all times, if only its mangaka did some properly paced work :/

Manga Spoiler:

No spoilers, thank you

Munsu
Tue, 08-11-2015, 10:07 PM
Well, finally managed to finished off the series. I had left off in the Knuckle / Youpi fight.

Very glad this remake was made, even though they screwed up by censoring some of the best fights from the original one... they couldn't hide much of the violence in the Chimera Ant arc though.

Anyways, very satisfying series. One thing that bothered me with the last development was that during the Greed Island arc Gon was adamant that more important than finding Ging it was introducing Killua to Ging, so a bit disappointment that Gon didn't push that issue or even mention it once getting to Ging was a step away.

Coincidentally, the anime stopped right where I had stopped reading the manga...which I plan on reading soon. Of course, considering that stop point a few developments weren't introduced, but that's besides the point.

Hopefully we get to see more Hunter X Hunter animated, though the series as it is left me satisfied. And if it returns, I hope they don't make us start from the very beginning once again, as enjoyable as the journey has been.

Buffalobiian
Tue, 08-11-2015, 10:59 PM
If it comes out 20 years later I could do with a refresher in 300Hz 4D 8000p video though. :p

DarthEnderX
Sun, 08-16-2015, 08:11 PM
If it comes out 20 years later I could do with a refresher in 300Hz 4D 8000p video though.Meanwhile, the rest of us will just be watching through our neural interfaces, grandpa.

MFauli
Mon, 08-17-2015, 03:06 AM
Meanwhile, the rest of us will just be watching through our neural interfaces, grandpa.

Meanwhile, I´ll be married to my A.I.-induced RealDoll-Neferpitou.

I win :>

MFauli
Thu, 08-27-2015, 01:24 PM
ugh, can someone tell me whats the title of the awesome track that´s playing during the second fight between Gon and the spinning dude in the Battle Tower-arc? Need it badly :> thx

Munsu
Thu, 08-27-2015, 08:30 PM
ugh, can someone tell me whats the title of the awesome track that´s playing during the second fight between Gon and the spinning dude in the Battle Tower-arc? Need it badly :> thx

This one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68LrO_LAKdw

No clue.

Buffalobiian
Thu, 08-27-2015, 11:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQPLrMJtEGI

MFauli
Fri, 08-28-2015, 01:47 AM
thanks a lot!

such a great song to get your heart pumping!

David75
Fri, 08-28-2015, 05:08 AM
I guess it's really a setting preference/joy because when out of context, that music is fairly poor. The melody is 4 notes maybe, with a bass line and probably other elements I can't remember after listening it once.

That music alone feels useless to me. But it works well with the scene and anime.

Buffalobiian
Fri, 08-28-2015, 07:08 AM
I think the mix for the anime sounded better simply because the melody guitar isn't there.


I had trouble identifying the song at first since it sounded so different.

DarthEnderX
Sat, 08-29-2015, 12:48 PM
I prefer the song from Gon Vs. Hisoka in the tower from the old anime...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0e9U209nA4

The1LittleMchale
Sat, 06-18-2016, 01:26 AM
So I started watching this on Netflix... it only goes to season 5... where do I finish my addiction?

MFauli
Sat, 06-18-2016, 07:14 AM
Thx for the hope-inducing bump that there´d be a new announcement ;/

Just google "Hunter X Hunter 2011 eng sub" and you´ll find an abundance of options.

Buffalobiian
Sat, 06-18-2016, 07:47 AM
So I started watching this on Netflix... it only goes to season 5... where do I finish my addiction?

I can't remember if Hunter x Hunter was one of the shows we weren't allowed to link anymore..

There's a batch torrent by deadfish on nyaa.se.