Hunter x Hunter 2011

[DarthEnderX]

But maybe you are right and during the series he will continue to "heal" from his abnormal upbringing until he's a weeping mess like a kid his age should be when facing deadly situations and continuous stress. Wouldn't that be great?Well since the first have of that and the second half aren't inextricably linked...yes/no?

[shinta|hikari]

Gon is not and never was a weeping mess though. He only cried when appropriate (Kite's zombification). Killua is the only crybaby right now. He seriously would have died if Palm didn't wake up, and the chances of that after she tried to rip him apart were REALLY low.

[Kraco]

Gon is not and never was a weeping mess though. He only cried when appropriate (Kite's zombification). Killua is the only crybaby right now. He seriously would have died if Palm didn't wake up, and the chances of that after she tried to rip him apart were REALLY low.

Especially since he didn't even try to fight back but adopted a Rocky tactic of receiving every blow. In fact I think this issue with Palm was solved very nicely this way, even tough I don't like what it did to Killua.

[Buffalobiian]

It's all very appropriate though. Killua's the cold assassin, but was able to befriend Gon. Gon's his soul saviour of sorts, (his light, as Killua puts it) and now that that's burning out Killua getting all upset is rather fitting. Gon's always been more of the type to go apeshit when things make him angry. In fact, he's the one out of the two who could actually get truly angry. Killua just gets pissed off more or less in all non-Gon situations.

[neflight86]

I figured the breakdown was a consequence of the built up stress/pain of Gon snapping at him. Even slapping around Youpi didn't seem to be what he needed to "blow off some steam". It was uncomfortably long, tough. I wonder if that was on purpose?

[Buffalobiian]

I thought it would have had to be that "long" in order to feel significant. Breaking Palm out of her mind control is supposed to be a big deal, I imagine.

[MFauli]

awesome episode.

although i feel like it is a real pitty that we only get to see Netero´s ability against the ant king. That way, we can´t see how frightening it actually is. Imagine any other opponent being hit by these giant hands ... it´d be over in one attack. It´s only the sheer raw power of the king that keeps him alive.

just fantastic.

oh, and i loved how Pouf decided to shit on both Gon´s demands and Pitou´s plea to do as Gon says. Haha.

[poopdeville]

Netero vs. the King is pretty bad ass. Heart!

[DarthEnderX]

i feel like it is a real pitty that we only get to see Netero´s ability against the ant king..Well, we did see him knock Pitou over the horizon with it.


i loved how Pouf decided to shit on both Gon´s demands and Pitou´s plea to do as Gon says. Haha.Yeah, I'm gonna be really pleased when he suffers a horrible, grisly death.

He's like the only Ant that's still a total shitbag.

[shinta|hikari]

This is the worst possible development. Nef now wants to kill Gon, and Gon is the stupid MC. Ugh.

[Buffalobiian]

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9049/ks62b.jpg

..............................................Ulti mate attack: Moe moe kyun~

[shinta|hikari]

I'm pretty sure that is accurate.

[DarthEnderX]

She wants to get him away from Komugi first though, so I'm guessing she'll accompany him to Kite, and then either attack him on the way or once they get there.

Either way, it'll mean Gon will probably end up fighting her 1-on-1.


I'm curious if Pouf is actually going to end up assassinating Youpi after he finds out Youpi spared them.


Also, was pretty convenient that under that random patch of desert was basically Moria.

[Kraco]

Also, was pretty convenient that under that random patch of desert was basically Moria.

It wasn't actually a random patch of desert. It was some old weapons testing site specifically chosen by Netero. That's what he said. It's not unreasonable there would be underground facilities, although I admit some bunkers would have been more likely than Moria. Maybe it was an important place for a previous regime and the dictators wanted to erase the memory by turning it into a dangerous no-access testing site.

[poopdeville]

Who or what is Moria?

[Kraco]

Who or what is Moria?

It's where the dwarves were living under a rock, not knowing or caring about the world around them. In Lord of the Rings. It has a huge hall full of huge pillars of rock, kind of like we saw in this episode.

[MFauli]

dont know whats sadder: someone not knowing what Moria is, or someone actually replying seriously to that.

:|

[shinta|hikari]

I think it is sadder to feel sad about someone now knowing what Moria is.

[DarthEnderX]

Who or what is Moria?
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130821170001/lotr/images/f/fc/Dwarrowdelf_LoTR.png

[MFauli]

seriously, who here is this hilarious bitchcunt that keeps neg-repping and looking a fight with me? :D I mean, why not talk about it here in this thread? just lol


Togashi confirmed Neferpitou is a male in the data book. You want to rape a man

1.) I love how you just assume rape here. It´s either no sex or rape. Huh?
2.) Show me a source of that data book, both english and original version
3.) When a person looks female, sounds female, somewhat behaves female, then why would you call "her" a male? Isn´t that pretty fucking ignorant towards the LBGT-community, too?

In anyway, if Pitou was real, i´d love to "rape" her, and I wouldn´t feel one bit more homosexual afterwards :D

[DarthEnderX]

Just ignore it? Not like rep does anything anyway.

I can't even figure out how the little rep meters are supposed to be read.

[Buffalobiian]

Just ignore it? Not like rep does anything anyway.

I can't even figure out how the little rep meters are supposed to be read.

They do glare at you every time you look at your control panel though. You can shrug it off, but it requires repeating efforts until it moves far enough down.

[DarthEnderX]

They do glare at you every time you look at your control panel though. You can shrug it off, but it requires repeating efforts until it moves far enough down.WELL if you have LOTS of red ones like I do, you get used to seeing them!

Also, I rarely ever go to my control panel.

I only started even seeing them recently when they made it so that rep started actually giving you a notification. I think I looked at them maybe once before that feature was added.

[MFauli]

i dont really care about negativ reputation, it´s meaningless. What I find annoying, though, is somebody hiding his sorry-ass and start an argument where the public cant see. grow some balls, sucker.

[Kraco]

Take the reputation chat to an appropriate forum and thread. This one isn't it.

[MFauli]

Take the reputation chat to an appropriate forum and thread. This one isn't it.

Since this scaredy cat keeps nagging me under the context of HXH, I will use this thread to reply. Still, it´s hilarious that he cannot bear to reveal himself. Just lol.


"it's not rape if she's Neferpitou". A tranny might call herself a her (fine with me) but I wouldn't want touch her cock. Unlike you.


1.) So you were capable of reading my signature. Applause.
2.) A real "tranny" in the sense of former guy who got turned into a woman does not have a dick anymore. Pitou certainly doesn´t have one.
3.) Are you really, I mean REALLY, "accusing" me of homosexuality as if it was something to be ashamed of? For the record, I´m heterosexual, but your behavior is childish to the max.
4.) Since I find this to be an interesting side-topic: Since nobody can actually notice the Y-chromosome of another person just from look, smell or touch, what makes a woman a woman in your opinion? At what point will you accept someone was a woman, assuming you mustnt directly ask about "her" status/past or analyse "her" dna. For a more comfortable discussion, please consider leaving the shadows and replying in this thread instead of using neg reps lol

[shinta|hikari]

Number 4 actually seems like something interesting to discuss, so please open up new thread for it and I will definitely contribute.

I have always seen Nef as a girl, but with her current design, attitude, and voice, I guess I would not mind even if she had a dick. It seems hentai has gone a long way in destroying my standards for normality and acceptability. I mean, shouldn't the fact that she is of a different species overshadow whether she is male or female?

[poopdeville]

I'm more interested in the sickening rape nonsense. MFauli bitches and moans because people give him shit, and then pretends "It's not rape if..." is anything but an excuse for rape.

The only way to fill in that blank and maintain anybody's respect is with "it's between consenting adults." PERIOD.

[MFauli]

I mean, I´d like to respond to you, but ... maybe some mod could move the last 6-7 posts into the bitching-topic, as to not further fuck up this HXH-topic? :>

[MFauli]

episode 126 out
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omg
that went ... fast!

Did not expect the fight to be over this quickly. Nor did I expect such a clear victory.

Obviously, the king will not be fatally wounded by that explosion. Im now expecting a non-violent solution to the ant problem, at least related to the king. We had been discussing how the ants arent really a global problem because of all the strong hunters worldwide, BUT I believe it´s safe to assume that there are not a whole lot of hunters that are as strong or even stronger as/than Netero. No known hunter should be able to beat the king as is, certainly not Crollo, Hisoka or anybody. We don´t know about Ging´s fighting potential, so there´s him, I guess.
Nah, I don´t see a violent ending to the king. Komugi will convince him into some peaceful solution blabla.

Now waiting for the true end battle between Gon and Pitou. This fight has to happen, and I´d hate Togashi forever if he somehow cancels the fight after all the anticipation.

But man, it feels bad. Netero ... :(

[Edort4]

Netero should have a hall of fame only for himself. Such a shame the fight felt so short but I guess that its better this way. I doubt the king has died from the explosion but I can see him without some limbs and in need of serious healing and Pouf is quite crazy right now maybe he could try a move to become king. Without Pitou there to heal him he could be an "easy" target for some time.

Seeing how no1 was able of "damaging" the king nor the royal guards seriously I dobut Gon is going to kill Pitou. They are in a whole different level. So not really sure what will happen maybe what mfauli says about a peaceful solution and an understanding. King badly injured, Pitou restrained by Komugi (she will threaten her to not hurt the humans) and Youpi fighting (and maybe dying) to save the "changed" injured king (with his new fear, he discovered that humans would first blow the earth than surrending to the ants, and respect for humanity)from pouf.

ps. I would hate that any random guy now defeated the king "fairly" in a fight after seeing Netero give his all life training hit and his own life as a sucide bomber. He was too great a charcter to be defiled like that.

[poopdeville]

The art was amazing. Especially that water color when Mereum felt admiration for Netero. The Rose was way more impressive in the manga. But Netero looking like a wasted old man, and then a demented goblin, was awesome. Plus, "I'll see you in Hell." -- I guess he lost his Buddha-hood.

[DarthEnderX]

Damn, that was badass as all hell. His dying form was the creepiest thing ever.

Still, kinda lame that he basically resorted to cheating at the end.

Guess I'll just have to wait to see if the King can survive being nuked.


So apparently, Meruem isn't aware of the concept that placing restrictions on yourself can make your Nen abilities more powerful, because he couldn't conceive of a reason why Netero would train himself to perform an unnecessary motion.

[shinta|hikari]

I hope the king is dead. It would be a refreshing twist to the usual shounen resurrecting villain.

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Komugi looked fine and even cheerful in the preview. But Gon still looked dazed. I am very curious as to how it will all play out. If there will be a Gon fight, I am guessing he will be using a Kurapika like sacrifice to equalize the gap between him and Nef.

[Buffalobiian]

So apparently, Meruem isn't aware of the concept that placing restrictions on yourself can make your Nen abilities more powerful, because he couldn't conceive of a reason why Netero would train himself to perform an unnecessary motion.

I don't think Netero clapped his hands to increase his power. It was simply his way of showing gratitude during his prayers, and that gratitude was what gave him his speed.

What I don't quite get is the the contradictory concept of enclosing your "loving" hands around someone then blasting them.

Mereum should die. If he doesn't it would really cheapen the "You had me checkmated from the start" line if he doesn't.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't think Netero clapped his hands to increase his power. It was simply his way of showing gratitude during his prayers, and that gratitude was what gave him his speed.I don't think there's really any difference.

His restriction IS that he shows gratitude before he attacks. I don't think it's the gratitude itself that is somehow giving him power.

[Buffalobiian]

He didn't set a restriction like Kurapica did with the mindset of increasing his power.

Why this distinction matters is because you said the King doesn't understand that restrictions can make you stronger as part of Nen mechanics. That is, "If I take X-restriction or unnecessary movement, I can gain Y-advantage". That line of thinking isn't at all why or now Netero became so powerful. Netero's ability did not come from Nen mechanics (amplifying his Nen by limiting it) but sheer practice. The reason he practiced so much for years was his borderline-crazy gratitude.

[DarthEnderX]

He didn't set a restriction like Kurapica did with the mindset of increasing his power.I think that's simply because Netero didn't have anyone to teach him about it. He learned it on his own through years of training, rather than simply having an expert explain it to him like Kurapica did.


That is, "If I take X-restriction or unnecessary movement, I can gain Y-advantage". That line of thinking isn't at all why or now Netero became so powerful.I agree. But I think the principle is still being applied even if he wasn't consciously doing it for that reason. He set a limitation on himself out of gratitude(i.e. I'm going to pray before every attack), and that increased his power, even though that's not the reason he set the limitation.

[Buffalobiian]

Regardless of whether you "learned" it or not, the effect is instantaneous as far as we know. That wasn't the case for Netero. He was gracious from the start of his training but the effects didn't manifest until long afterwards. I agree with the King in that he trained to become this way rather than some limitation relationship.

[DarthEnderX]

Regardless of whether you "learned" it or not, the effect is instantaneous as far as we know. That wasn't the case for Netero. He was gracious from the start of his training but the effects didn't manifest until long afterwards.That's because when he started his training, I don't think Netero even knew how to use Nen at all. There's nothing that really suggested that he did. None of the people in the Dojo's he went to afterwards seemed like they knew how to use it.

Adding a restriction may have an instantaneous effect, but learning Nen from scratch with no teacher isn't. I think he simply taught himself to use Nen with a restriction applied from the very start.

[Kraco]

ps. I would hate that any random guy now defeated the king "fairly" in a fight after seeing Netero give his all life training hit and his own life as a sucide bomber. He was too great a charcter to be defiled like that.

Wasn't Netero just really unlucky? His attacks were of the physical kind, and the King is exceedingly resistant to (external) physical damage. There are some far more mythical nen powers that would have probably ended the fight "easily", assuming the fighter could have survived long enough to use the power (which could be ensured by a few buddies).

The King is barely weeks old now, or something, so it's understandable he was underestimating humans and everybody else. Humans have likely used nen for hundreds or thousands of years in the HxH world, plus all the scientific knowledge. The King knows nothing, so it's clear Netero wasn't overly worried despite not being able to personally finish the King and live to tell the story.

[shinta|hikari]

Why didn't they just nuke the King in the first place? The bombs are supposed to be cheap. They could have used Knov's ability to drop like a hundred of them all over the palace. Making one of your best fighters a suicide bomber is just dumb.

[MFauli]

Regarding the king´s physical resistance: Does he use nen for that? We´ve never heard about it, but I gess it must be so, because what material would his body be made of otherwise?

[shinta|hikari]

Most of the defense in the story is because of Nen. Killua and Gon for example are very frail without it, much like normal humans.

[Kraco]

No doubt he was using nen. We saw his aura every now and then, and thus we can deduce he's using it actively in any case. It would also be quite ridiculous if he had survived Netero's attacks without using nen. Although they didn't kill the King, I'm sure they were helluva strong.

[Carnage]

Wasn't Netero just really unlucky? His attacks were of the physical kind, and the King is exceedingly resistant to (external) physical damage. There are some far more mythical nen powers that would have probably ended the fight "easily", assuming the fighter could have survived long enough to use the power (which could be ensured by a few buddies).



Well thing is, any other group of fighters would have all instantly died. The king casually strolled by Netero and grandpa Zoldeyck, he's probably faster than anyone without specific speed-based powers and even then, those were hundreds of thousands of punches flying the king is probably faster than specialists still.

The reason they didn't just drop a bomb I suppose was because if they messed up once doing it by automation (dropping from the sky) then they may lose their chance if the ants survived and learned about wmd's. They probably wanted someone skilled enough to ensure the bomb would hit home.

[shinta|hikari]

Why the hell would they drop it from the sky? They had a hunter that could create gates within the enemy castle. I'm pretty sure being 10m or 50m away from ground zero of that explosion would not change its effect.

The only excuse that would make sense is that Netero was confident he would be able to kill the King with Zero. Still, it is dumb strategy. Risking your Queen when you could have checkmated with a couple of pawns is foolish.

The entire bomb reveal is cheap to be honest. It came from nowhere.

[neflight86]

I thought the nuke was a masterful scale reminder: Human Nen is great and all; Ant Nen can be even better... but chemistry and physics trumps all. It also foreshadows what the ants would have faced if they left their country to invade the remaining world in an organized manner.

I like to believe the King's mention of Checkmates being against humanity more so than Netero Specifically.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm fine with the nuke itself, but the execution was horrible. Why could it not have been a special nuke that is very hard to make and is extremely expensive? That would have justified the use of Netero to ensure it hits since it would be too great a risk to use someone else and fail.

[Carnage]

Why the hell would they drop it from the sky? They had a hunter that could create gates within the enemy castle. I'm pretty sure being 10m or 50m away from ground zero of that explosion would not change its effect.

The only excuse that would make sense is that Netero was confident he would be able to kill the King with Zero. Still, it is dumb strategy. Risking your Queen when you could have checkmated with a couple of pawns is foolish.

The entire bomb reveal is cheap to be honest. It came from nowhere.

1. They would have to be certain that the king was in the hideout, of which they didn't know. Which is why they needed someone strong to find and isolate the king. If knov dropped the bomb in the building and the King was somewhere else, there goes the element of surprise.

2. Let the arc finish before deciding that it seemed random, I think there were several thematic elements that somewhat foreshadowed the use of human technology in fighting the ants.

[shinta|hikari]

About number 1, didn't they conclude that the King is where the King's guards were? The entire attack on the castle was based on that assumption. Knov experienced the aura of a King's guard, so they knew the King is in the building. They should have nuked him then and there. I'm pretty sure 10 of those rose bombs would have obliterated the entire compound and surrounding area.

About number 2, will these thematic elements you mentioned be shown in the future? Because up until Netero went suicide bomber on the King, everything was all about Nen abilities.

[neflight86]

Bombing the palace might get tricky with all of those people hypnotized right outside of it.

I think that the specifically cheap bomb was fitting given HxH's penchant for delivering hard truths about poor situations as demonstrated in this arc so far, even if we as the audience would believe he (Netero) deserved better.

On that note, I am of the presumption that the Nuke was both the first and last hope Netero had to kill the king, and I expect he knew it, having had his relative aura compared and his declaration that this mission would require the sacrifice of at least someone. The rest of the fight was just either his last selfish act of wanting to fight a strong opponent, positioning the king into optimal blast radius for the bomb, or both.

[shinta|hikari]

Netero wanting to fight the king actually is the best reason for the farce of a plan. They could have easily bombed the king, but Netero wanted to fight him, so he did.

[Kraco]

All things considered, I'd rather think Netero wanted to try everything else before resorting to a nuke. We are talking about nuclear weapons here. It's not like they would be the first choice to deal with anything. The palace was also within a walking distance from the city, if memory serves, so using nukes would have been a bit questionable there, which led to the plan of taking the king elsewhere. Otherwise it actually was a pretty sound plan: He was there alone facing the king to make sure he was the only sacrifice.

I also don't think this was anything so strange in the bigger picture. This arc was about humans vs ants, and inarguably nukes are the pinnacle of human achievements weapons wise. Nukes are also something a single person would have a hard time building, all the way from extracting the needed elements and constructing the facilities and machines to designing and finally building the thing itself. The ants had poured everything into a single entity, the king, thinking it would have everything to conquer the world, but humans never did that, yet proved victorious here.

[shinta|hikari]

It would have been a sound plan if they didn't wait for ages before attacking, which led to the King's guard and the King being born. It also led to countless deaths (which they knowingly accepted) while they were waiting, which would have been prevented if they just nuked the ants from the get go.

The reason why I really don't like this bomb thing is because everyone acted so desperately as if this option did not exist. All the choices and actions look so cheap and idiotic now that we know they can just nuke the ants, and cheaply too.

[Kraco]

That's just you. In RL ever since WW2 nobody has wanted to use nukes (aside from some terrorists who fortunately haven't got them). It doesn't need to be any different in HxH. They really didn't want to use the nuke, and only used it when Netero died. If there's anything strange about this all, it's the fact nobody else but a small team of Hunters gave a shit about the ants - yet the Hunters cared enough to use a nuke. That disparity is kind of weird.

[neflight86]

Before the king was born the whole of the ant problem was confined inside of an openly WMD and aircraft hostile nation (NGL). If anything I figure the hunters should be glad that the King left there into an area that had already apparently gathered enough payload to kill him, even if they had to do some finiggling to get him within range.

I would also argue that the strongest and fastest ants we're dealing with here stood a fair chance of intercepting traditional delivery methods due to Pitou's En that stretched so far and only recessed for a few hours before the attack. It also appears that the Hunter organization only dispatched a bare minimum of resources due to the internal strife mentioned earlier by Morel.

I believe it could be argued that this situation was handled poorly rather than stupidly due to the event's minimal exposure and some party's desire to keep it under wraps (man in the suit) rather than rally all available hunters and resources against this foe.

[Carnage]

It would have been a sound plan if they didn't wait for ages before attacking, which led to the King's guard and the King being born. It also led to countless deaths (which they knowingly accepted) while they were waiting, which would have been prevented if they just nuked the ants from the get go.


If they had led a human attack on the ant fortress they might have been wiped out. Neferpitou had already been born before the colony was discovered and Netero admitted that she was stronger than he was pre-training. You think it would have been smart to send in a team of Hunters in?

To address your earlier post, there's no 100% guarantee that the king is with the royal guard. 1 bomb or 10, if the king isn't there, the element of surprise is lost. As shown, there were variables not part of their equation. They never understood why the king had harmed himself (playing shogi). Also, the author is japanese, so I think you're missing a bit of context here as to how serious the use of nuclear weapons is viewed.


If there's anything strange about this all, it's the fact nobody else but a small team of Hunters gave a shit about the ants - yet the Hunters cared enough to use a nuke. That disparity is kind of weird.

If you send in Hunters and they are killed, they are reborn into even more monstrously strong ants. So actually it does make sense not risking peons or even teams of skilled nen experts.

[shinta|hikari]

I like Kraco's explanation more. They simply didn't want to use the nukes (for whatever reason in their world), so they did it as a last resort. That certainly makes more sense than saying they never had a chance to or that the risk was too great. Their entire plan is a great risk, for crying out loud. Everything they knew was speculation after all.

[DarthEnderX]

I thought the nuke was a masterful scale reminder: Human Nen is great and all; Ant Nen can be even better... but chemistry and physics trumps all.Except we don't even know if the King is even dead yet.

[neflight86]

I think the point remains that greater damage has been done to him from the bomb than the zero attack, which already caused consternation from what I could tell.

[DarthEnderX]

That's just you. In RL ever since WW2 nobody has wanted to use nukes (aside from some terrorists who fortunately haven't got them). It doesn't need to be any different in HxH.I agree with this. I think Sci-fi movies where the military always tries nuking the monsters/aliens 10 minutes into the movie have skewed people's perception of them.

IRL, nobody wants to use nukes because of how badly they mess everything up.


I think the point remains that greater damage has been done to him from the bomb than the zero attack, which already caused consternation from what I could tell.I don't think even that is a fair conclusion to draw yet. We've only seen the blast. He could just pull a smoke shield (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SmokeShield) on the whole thing.

[David75]

The discussion about the nuke is nice and all and nuking the castle -even if near the city- would have been possible because some nen users could always do something about remaining radiation cloud and ruins. But maybe they didn't have time to precisely pinpoint the King and have enough nukes to do the trick. Also, Netero specifically chose a weapon testing area. I guess we lack some elements that had him make those choices.

What baffles me here is that the King has now made twice the same mistake.
Looking back, it was clear Netero was ready to die killing the King from the get go.
It seems Meruem isn't yet able to understand that logic: be ready to die to kill an enemy, being able to give your own life so that you protect your species.
It happened before when Komugi was ready to die rather than lose a limb, Meruem understood he was the one not ready to lose it all and detached is own arm as a personal lesson... Personal lesson he didn't put to good use when facing Netero who was exactly using the same strategy!

My guess is that since the King is the pinnacle of his kind, he can't sacrifice himself for the greater good of his species. So no matter how strong he is, at some point he might lose, his species following his downfall.
On the contrary, mankind is made of lots of individualities that might be limited in the maximum power they can get, but some of them really can sacrifice themselves if needed.
Somehow, it feels like the ant king lost a behavior that social insects -particularly ants- have, only to have it come back at him from humans that are not really thought to have it.

[Kraco]

What baffles me here is that the King has now made twice the same mistake.
Looking back, it was clear Netero was ready to die killing the King from the get go.
It seems Meruem isn't yet able to understand that logic: be ready to die to kill an enemy, being able to give your own life so that you protect your species.

Nah, you are missing a critical detail here: Meruem had absolutely no way of knowing Netero had a nuke prehidden in that place and it would detonate the moment his heart stopped. So, Netero being ready to die wouldn't really mean anything to the King, aside from making the King commend Netero's prowess and resolve so far. Like I said before, the matter is complicated by the fact the ants had betted everything on making individuals as strong as possible, so it didn't cross the King's mind on a fundamental level somebody as tough as Netero was nothing but a trigger, in the end.

Even if the King survived this, somehow, it shouldn't matter: the level of radiation so close to the blast would be astronomical. He would be such a mass of cancer that I don't think even a nen healer could find too many untouched cells in his body. And he certainly shouldn't be able to breed anymore. It would be kind of stupid to use a nuke in a story and forget all about this, I believe.

[David75]

So you do not think this is the same fundamental mistake he already experienced with Komugi? The one that had him detach his own arm so that he doesn't forget... yet it seems it happened again with Netero?
Of course he didn't know about a nuke. But the tool isn't important here, it's the will to die killing you opponent so that other benefit from that outcome.
But maybe I make a wrong link here.

[Buffalobiian]

Komugi's fight and this were different.

The king learned from Komugi that she's playing each chess game as if death waited for her if she lost. I don't think that mentality had much to do with this battle that just finished.

[Kraco]

Yeah. The King might have, after Komugi's fight, learnt such resolution (although I don't know why an ant would need to learn self-sacrifice for the sake of the colony since ants are experts at it), but it has nothing to do with a dead man's switch. Of course if he had lowered his arrogance some and studied the human society he could have learned about indirect methods and guile, but like I've said before, these ants, evolutionally, decided to make as uber strong individuals as possible, instead of team work. People tend to judge others based on their own values, so it'd have been quite a step for the king to come to think of a possibility that somebody as strong as Netero wasn't necessarily the actual weapon but the place itself.

[MFauli]

I don't think even that is a fair conclusion to draw yet. We've only seen the blast. He could just pull a smoke shield (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SmokeShield) on the whole thing.

Just wait for it, when the King puts off his severly damaged outer Cell-shell and looks like perfect Frieza now.

Disclaimer: I dont read the manga, if it turns out to be true, it was pure coincidence.

[Splash!]

Somehow, it feels like the ant king lost a behavior that social insects -particularly ants- have, only to have it come back at him from humans that are not really thought to have it.

Not really. In the end, it isn't really about whether ants are willing to sacrifice themselves or not. Clearly the royal guard have shown on multiple occasions that they are ready to die for the sake of king. The problem here is that the propagation of their species depends on the reproduction of the king/queen. This doesn't make them particularly resilient as a species when it comes to survival. It doesn't really matter if the king was willing to sacrifice himself. Even if he did, his role was so fundamental that his species would be screwed regardless. That is why it was necessary for the royal guard to protect the king at all costs.

In contrast, humans are very different. Important individuals can come along and contribute much to the species, but even then, they are quite replaceable. It's not so much about being ready to make sacrifices, which I am sure both species would be willing to do if it actually helped.

EDIT: Like Kraco said, the ants set themselves up for failure from the get go. I think someone mentioned this already, but humanity already had the ants in checkmate.

[DarthEnderX]

Even if the King survived this, somehow, it shouldn't matter: the level of radiation so close to the blast would be astronomical. He would be such a mass of cancer that I don't think even a nen healer could find too many untouched cells in his body.Why would you assume that?

He's an insect, some of which are more or less unaffected by radiation. Granted, he's an ant, not a cockroach, but still.

[shinta|hikari]

True enough.

He was based on Cell's design, and Cell looked like a roach, so close enough?

[Kraco]

I think it's safe to say he's much closer to a human than some uber radiation resistant bug. Not that even bugs would be fine after the radiation from a closeby nuclear explosion. It's just that from our perspective it might affect a bug's life less because they don't live long in any case. It's like saying a human would be okay after a high dose of radiation because they would live for half a year before dying and not dying immediately.

[DarthEnderX]

Sure, but if all it's going to do is give him radiation poisoning that will kill him in, like, a month, there's gotta be, like, dozens of ways for Nen to cure that before it actually kills him. For all we know, Pitou can do it.

That's part of the problem with trying to combat magic with technology. Magic can do anything.

[Kraco]

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Man, I had no idea it was that kind of a world. When you think about the beginning of the show, there were few indications. I guess during Kurapika's arc one might have started to guess something to this direction, but not the extent. Spamming nuclear weapon attacks and terrorism everywhere. No wonder the Zoldyck family will never run out of work in that sort of a place.

The King looked pretty dead. If he can revive from that, he's not an ant but a dracula.

Gon's eyes and attitude were still of pure ice. Very promising.

[Harima Kenji]

Maybe I've missed something, but I can't find anywhere that the bombs are nuclear...

I can't imagine the king recovering from this anytime soon...if at all. It would be a bit anticlimactic, but the arc was never really about the king, but about Gon and Pitou.

The thing with Komugi being held hostage was kind of predictable, as it would've been the surefire way to force Pitou to obey Gon. Unless she learns of the kings death and decides not to care anymore about Komugi.

[DarthEnderX]

The King looked pretty dead.Indeed he does.

I wonder if Pouf and Youpi are going to take up the role of arc villains now. Killua still hasn't really done much this arc. And I'd really like to see Pouf die.

[shinta|hikari]

Preview content:






Why the hell were Pouf and Youpi making ahegao faces in the preview???

[Buffalobiian]

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Why the hell were Pouf and Youpi making ahegao faces in the preview???

Not sure, but it seems like they were trying to revive the King or something. Magical healing tears? Manly seeds of love?

I like Palm a lot more now that she's not a psycho-bitch, even if she's less "interesting" in a sense. That calm demeanour would actually have gone well with the old Knov, but now he's a scared old man. Funny how neither can be normal at the same time.

[David75]

It's true that now that we know those cheap-efficient bombs were used a lot, I doubt they are nuclear ones.
I mean, is it that interresting to wipe cities clean if you can't reclaim the freed space?

[MFauli]

Oh man, such a great episode. Even though no fighting happened.
Since I happened to watch the preview, this is a warning:









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Man, it´d suck incredibly if the king recovers from that. But the preview kinda implies exactly that, with Pouf and Youpi being so full of joy :/

But damn, Gon is sooo fantastic. You say it was predictable, but I don´t think that´s true. THAT Gon threatening to kill a weak girl? Taking her hostage? Nah, that´s incredibly character development. I also loved how Komugi didnt understand a thing, and was basically left to think of our heroes as villains.

Best scene: When Gon calls Pitou just that. Not "Neferpitou", just Pitou. Sure, they used abbreviations before, but not this "in your face". It felt like an insult, like a slap in her face, that she could not return that moment.

Last but not least: When Pitou was standing there behind Gon, her figure was super-sexy. @anonymous neg-repper: I´d have infinite numbers of butt sex with her if she really had a dick. That´s how much it doesnt matter lol

Still, I hope the king truly is dead. Would make this anime/manga even better than it already is. Seriously, a shounen series where the main villain is off-ed not by one of the main characters? Would be so refreshing and unique. Also, there´s the little problem about what the heck Knuckle, Killua and Co. would do if the king returns. Seriously, they´d be utterly screwed haha. They´ll have enough to handle with just Youpi, let alone Pouf.

[Kraco]

Maybe I've missed something, but I can't find anywhere that the bombs are nuclear...


It's true that now that we know those cheap-efficient bombs were used a lot, I doubt they are nuclear ones.
I mean, is it that interresting to wipe cities clean if you can't reclaim the freed space?

Come on, people. They are small enough to fit in a suitcase, not the size of a huge truck. The metallic cylinder attached to the bomb (implosion device) was like straight out of a James Bond movie. The detonation itself: the blinding light, the blast blowing first out, then the air coming back in, and lastly the mushroom cloud. They are all textbook nuclear weapon descriptions. We even had a lake of lava as a bonus... We saw the whatever international assembly scene trying to ban the weapons. Whenever would nations try to ban ordinary explosives? Not that there would be ordinary weapons able to destroy a whole town.

So, unless HxH has a new branch of physics in addition to the nen powers, this was a nuclear weapon of the simple linear implosion kind since it was called cheap.

The only time nukes have been used in a war in our world certainly showed the user is not interested in reclaiming the freed space. A terrorist also wouldn't be interested in it, since a terrorist is only interested in generating terror in their enemies, like the name implies.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm with Kraco on this one. The Little Flower shows all of the tropes of being a nuclear bomb.

That said, we still don't know if radiation even effects the ants. If it does though, Pouf and Youpi would also be pretty much done for at this point. Crawling around inside a nuke's molten crater is pretty much a death sentence.


Also, at this point, I feel like they've kind of defused the climactic battle between Gon and Pitou. Because Pitou simply isn't going to fight Gon now that they've taken Komugi hostage.

My assumption is that Pitou is going to somehow find out the King is dead and go berserk. Then we'll get our climactic battle.

[MFauli]

About the bomb: The flashback about this kind of bomb made it seem like a nuke, but nukes don´t turn the ground into lava, right? So I´m leaning towads no, the little rose is not a nuclear weapon.



My assumption is that Pitou is going to somehow find out the King is dead and go berserk. Then we'll get our climactic battle.

Well, ants communicate by telepathy, right?

[Kraco]

About the bomb: The flashback about this kind of bomb made it seem like a nuke, but nukes don´t turn the ground into lava, right? So I´m leaning towads no, the little rose is not a nuclear weapon.

So, it's something even more terrible than a nuclear weapon in your opinion, huh?

The lake of lava was just artistic lisence by the author. A nuke does melt the surface of the ground and for example turn suitable silicon containing sand into glass like substance when it cools down. I reckon Togashi (assuming this was in the manga as well) wanted to create a more dramatic effect for the King's downfall. To create such a lake in the first place, I think one would need a sustained energy source, not one lasting a second, or possibly something humongous.

[MFauli]

So, it's something even more terrible than a nuclear weapon in your opinion, huh?

Depends. As you said, this little rose-bomb must have had sustained power, something more focused, to the point. A nuke goes of an bursts away everything, makes it crumble. This little rose, however, kept heating its environment until stone was turned to lava. Now, this is a dumb comparison, because a nuke would easily blow off as much of an area as this little rosa AND have the effect of deadly radiation. So even when I´m saying that yes, the little rose is in ways superior to a nuke, a nuke is still more destructive.

Where I´d see the advantage for the little rose is against an enemy that might regenerate. Basically, I´d use it against someone like Cell or Majin Buu. Goku´s genkidama basically was a sustained force, as opposed to the usual hit-and-explode-attacks like a kamehameha.

[Kraco]

Nah, all the explosions we saw in the episode were those identical to nukes. That's why the lake of lava is in fact impossible unless there was an underground reservoir of something that started to burn really hot, ignited by the nuke. Or if the area was volcanic naturally and the nuke in fact caused a mantle plume to rupture, allowing magma to form a lake of true lava.

But I'd still place my bets on it just being artistic lisence taken to make the King's fate more terrible. I wouldn't expect this to have any deeper meaningfulness in the story afterwards, unless Youpi manages to mutate himself into some salamander monster using the lake.

[poopdeville]

Salamander monster? Argh, memories of Voyager.

[DarthEnderX]

Well, ants communicate by telepathy, right?Supposedly the King and the Royal guard can't. Because they're the most human.


but nukes don´t turn the ground into lava, right?Pretty sure anything that burns at thousands of degrees(which a nuclear explosion does (https://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/thermal.htm)) will turn the ground into lava.


Salamander monster? Argh, memories of Voyager.Not a salamander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander). A Salamander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_(legendary_creature)).

[poopdeville]

Pretty sure anything that burns at thousands of degrees(which a nuclear explosion does (https://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/thermal.htm)) will turn the ground into lava.


Yeah, but the specific heat of rock matters. There's only so much heat a rock can absorb in a short amount of time.

http://www.hscott.net/analyzing-trinitite-a-radioactive-piece-of-nuclear-history/

That said, Chernobyl's accident melted lots of concrete and rocks.

[Kraco]

That said, Chernobyl's accident melted lots of concrete and rocks.

Power plant accidents can last for years like in Japan currently. Explosions aren't of nuclear type per se, rather just pressure from boiling coolant and such. Also, a power plant reactor would have hundreds of times more fuel than a nuke, whose core might only be the size of a tennis ball.

[poopdeville]

Just a head's up, but Togashi is back. There will be new manga next month.

[Kraco]

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Netero shouldn't have been such a cheapskate. A few kilotons more would have done the trick. Still, the King is a real monster to revive even from such a sorry state. I don't really see how they could ever hope to vanquish him after this without a mystic nen power instead of physical one. Assuming they need to beat him anymore. His personality didn't seem to have changed that much, though, so he ought to be a danger still.

It was quite funny Pouf actually believed he could eliminate anybody with his partial clone in such a short time. He expected Komugi to be still in the same room, yet that would have meant Gon would be there as well. Pouf wouldn't have had a snowball's chance against Gon. He might have lost too many brain cells by feeding himself to the King.

[MFauli]

Ok, this is now boring. I dont see any scenario where any of the remaining heroes could be capable of defeating the king, who´s now even stronger than before fighting Netero. Now it´s all set to end in a peaceful way, someone talking the king into giving up his cruel plans. Like, Komugi saying something and then the king falls in love with her and decides to be a couple or something lol. I also thought that maybe Killua could stall the king by using Komugi as a hostage, but I don´t see it. The king is too fast, too deadly, he´d simply dash over, grab Komugi and kill Killua, all in the tenth of the blink of an eye.

My prediction:

- king will stop his plans because of Komugi
- Pouf will be killed by the king when his mind games are revealed somehow
- Youpi stays loyal to the king and whatever he decides
- Pitou is either killed by Gon or beaten but alive and joins Youpi and the king
- the end

Now, what I´d want to happen is that the king remembers everything and is as villainous as ever. But then we arrive at the problem: WHO can beat him? Netero couldn´t. I don´t see the Zaoldyeks being able to. The spiders are below his level, too, outside of some special ability of Crolo´s.

No, I don´t see it. Shitty peaceful solution it is.

[DarthEnderX]

That was the gayest thing ever.

Ugh. It sucks that the King got amnesia, basically just to undo all of his character development.

For a while there I was CERTAIN the King was just going to finish eating Pouf and Youpi.



- king will stop his plans because of KomugiThis.

Near as I can tell we've got two fights left:

Gon Vs. Pitou

And Pouf's Clone vs. the rest, who should be winnable for them because the clone only has a fraction of Pouf's power. And since Bankruptcy is apparently transferred from the clone to the real Pouf, defeating the clone means defeating Pouf entirely.

[gos27]

Well that was a load of bullshit.

[shinta|hikari]

Yeah, I didn't like the developments in this episode. All of a sudden, feeding the king regenerates him? I'd understand passing the powers because that was mentioned before, but if the king can regenerate from eating, the entire arm surgery thing that even allowed all these events to happen is now completely superficial.

I actually hope some random OP hunter just pawns the king. Or they use a nuke 100x the power of the last one. I just want this arc to be over. The only interesting thing here now is Gon's fight, which I don't actually want to happen because Nef is gonna die.

[DarthEnderX]

All of a sudden, feeding the king regenerates him?I think it was WHAT he was being fed that allowed him to heal. I doubt he would have recovered if they'd just fed him some cheeseburgers.

[shinta|hikari]

Well, of course. What I am questioning is HOW feeding is causing regeneration. We have never seen any chimera ant do that before.

I would have liked some foreshadowing of this regeneration effect. If anything, Nef's arm operation on the king actually made this less believable.

[Buffalobiian]

Well, of course. What I am questioning is HOW feeding is causing regeneration. We have never seen any chimera ant do that before.

I would have liked some foreshadowing of this regeneration effect. If anything, Nef's arm operation on the king actually made this less believable.

Well there's no need for the king to eat someone if his arms' just lying there waiting to be stitched. Pouf made a ditch effort that may or may not have worked. It banked on the idea that when the king eats he "absorbs someone's power for himself". I think the guards were mostly afraid the king was going to die from blood loss the time he chopped off his arm, not that he couldn't regenerate it himself.

The point of that scene was that he was offering his arm as a sign of his disrespect. The conceded when the guards cried to repair him.

I'm rather glad Pouf is still scheming. It keeps things interesting because I don't know what else will, really. That said, the beginning of the episode was pretty hilarious.

[DarthEnderX]

It banked on the idea that when the king eats he "absorbs someone's power for himself".Yeah, but neither Pouf nor Youpi have displayed regeneration powers either. So even that explanation doesn't make sense in the context of the information we have.


I'm curious whether Youpi will ever actually recover from this. Just he just need to eat a bunch to restore his biomass, or is he gonna chibi forever?

[Kraco]

I'm curious whether Youpi will ever actually recover from this. Just he just need to eat a bunch to restore his biomass, or is he gonna chibi forever?

These ants and their physiology have long since left behind any last traces of rationality, so I bet he just needs to eat a mountain of food and he's as good as new.

[Buffalobiian]

Yeah, but neither Pouf nor Youpi have displayed regeneration powers either. So even that explanation doesn't make sense in the context of the information we have.



The King had that power (the ability to absorb external energy and apply/change self.. that is, eat and add to himself). Regeneration is one application of it. What made less sense was why he was this fiery figure in between his recovery. That the fact he was eating Pouf/Youpi didn't matter as long as he at rich, Nen-rich cells.

Youpi shows metamorphic abilities. Whether he'll eventually gain mass again lies in whether he can actually multiply his cells or not.

[MFauli]

Yeah, I assumed the king as able to regenerate thanks to Youpi´s magic beast-cells.

[DarthEnderX]

What made less sense was why he was this fiery figure in between his recovery.I assumed that was just glowing with energy, not fire.

[shinta|hikari]

What Mfauli says actually makes sense. Youpi CAN regenerate himself (along with transformation), as long as he has the cells to do it. After absorbing Youpi's cells and gaining his Nen power, the King can now regenerate or transform himself much like how Youpi does it.

It is more convincing than saying that the King incidentally had the ability to regenerate through eating aside from his Nen ability absorption ability.

[David75]

Well, Youpi can morph into many things, so it helps for regeneration. Pouf also manipulates his body/cells so that he creates many clones or chibi bees.
Absorbing cells from both of them certainly was a great help for the king in the predicament he was, and feels enough to explain how he totally recovered.
Pouf and Youpi were even depicted losing a great deal of their bodies and probably strength. So even there it felt balanced in a way.
I guess Youpi and Pouf can go back to their original size by eating too, logically they'd need quite a lot of average life forms and could speed up the process with higher quality ones... Like what the Meruem experienced. Hunters at the castle are a good source I guess...

[Edort4]

The poo that the king is going to land after all that (unless he also is 100% efficent in energy processing and fuckoff thermodinamics and entropy) must be legendary. This was the worse development I could ever imagine. Not only is he alive but in a few minutes is back in one piece and stronger than ever. Im going to give the show the benefit of the doubt and pray that this evolves into something cool/logic/entertaining. Cant hide that this was a very big dissapointment and a letdown. If things dont look good in the next couple episodes im done with this show.

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder if Meruem can also split into a bunch of little clones now too.


This was the worse development I could ever imagine.I dunno if I'd call it the WORST. We've basically transformed the Meruem's loss into losses for Youpi and Pouf. So instead of beating the King, Netero has essentially beaten two of the Royal Guards.

And given that Pouf has consistently proven to be a bigger asshole than Meruem, we're probably going to be better off in the long run that Pouf was brought down instead of Meruem.

But again, given that Meruem has had all of his character development wiped, it's going to come down to Komugi. And I don't see Killua and Co. letting Pouf get to her now.

[Kraco]

I dunno if I'd call it the WORST. We've basically transformed the Meruem's loss into losses for Youpi and Pouf. So instead of beating the King, Netero has essentially beaten two of the Royal Guards.

Isn't that only temporary? Besides, Netero could have beaten these two royal guards without much trouble had he been fighting against them. I agree with Edort (and nearly everybody) that this was bad development. It's rare that a nuke is used to solve anything in anime (or in any media) and thus it made quite an impact: The King was so fricking tough that Netero never really had a chance in a totally honest fight, and thus we got the rare nuclear solution. But since the King survived even that, it's either obvious he's not going to go down in a fight but possibly live a mushy live with Komugi, or if he's indeed still going to fight, those fights will be truly hard-pressed to have any impact whatsoever.

I also wonder about Meruem losing his character development. How much did he have that in the first place? His basic personality was built sufficiently, perhaps, but that's still there, isn't it? Uber arrogance and superiority. He was ready to slay Pouf if Pouf lied a second time, without any hesitation, and he did whatever he wanted. That's exactly like the King had always been. His history is really short in the first place, and Komugi is basically the only piece worth mentioning.

[DarthEnderX]

Isn't that only temporary?We don't know yet. And even if it is, if someone else shows up to take on Meruem right now(or Gon gets a crazy Shonen powerup and comes to face him after beating Pitou), then Pouf and Youpi are probably in no position to effect that battle at the moment.


I agree with Edort (and nearly everybody) that this was bad development.I agree, I'm just saying, it's not the worst. The worst would have been the Meruem surviving and being able to recover without two of the Royal Guards having to sacrifice themselves for it.

And, as far as the remaining characters are concerned, Meruem dying would probably have been worse for their chances of survival, if they'd had to face off against a berserk Pouf and Youpi, instead of one mildly disinterested Meruem who's probably going to have a non-violent resolution to this arc.


Uber arrogance and superiority.Yes, but remember that Netero said as he was triggering the bomb that Meruem was underestimating humanity. And the last thought Meruem had before the explosion was that he'd lost before the fight even began.

So Meruem might have lost some of that sense of superiority, if he'd had any recollection of the battle he lost.

[poopdeville]

The King just has a concussion. He's learned stuff, but he doesn't consciously remember it. That's why he's confused. He doesn't feel superior, but he doesn't remember why.

He hasn't lost his character development. He's just misplaced it.

[neflight86]

Why does pouf think that the king finding komugi dead (at his hands) is going to end well for anyone?

[Kraco]

Why does pouf think that the king finding komugi dead (at his hands) is going to end well for anyone?

He would probably try to get rid of the body, and the whole existence of Komugi, before the King has a chance to see her at all. But even if the King did see the body, it wouldn't automatically mean he would remember everything related to her. In that case Pouf would have also won because it would be just another corpse. Pouf is always ready to die for and by the King, so getting punished lethally wouldn't bother him at all. On the other hand he also has a huge ego and imagines he knows what's best for the King, so there's nothing in his personality that would prevent him from hurting Komugi behind the King's back in this sort of situation.

[Kraco]

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Man, Pouf. He's losing it. I think he lost too much of his brain when he fed most of himself to the King. The King is already looking down on the palace and no doubt everybody within and around since he's practically a god already, so Pouf running around trying to achieve anything behind the King's back at this point is pure foolishness. Youpi is already the smarter of those two. Furthermore, it was pretty funny Pouf even dreamed of beating anybody serious with his partial clone. He couldn't fight decently to begin with in his full form. His only worth was controlling nobodies. Too bad he's so hard to kill.

Killua going all biribiri is pretty cool. Such mastery of an element is no doubt a sign of nen mastery. A few eps ago he was even reviving himself directly from a power socket, which is quite significant in my opinion.

The King needs to be reunited with Komugi. His personality is as ruthless as ever, but his powers have warped. He needs a limiter.

[DarthEnderX]

He couldn't fight decently to begin with in his full form.Well, we don't know that for sure, because he never actually tried.

He didn't have one real fight in this arc, and now, I'm not sure he's going to get to.

I thought there was going to be an actual fight against that clone, but nope, he just kept leaving.

[Kraco]

Well, we don't know that for sure, because he never actually tried.

He didn't have one real fight in this arc, and now, I'm not sure he's going to get to.

I thought there was going to be an actual fight against that clone, but nope, he just kept leaving.

Isn't that the same thing? If he theoretically could fight but always leaves instead, he would be a lousy fighter in practice. Looking at the situation a bit deeper, he didn't accept Youpi honouring the agreement, which suggests in Pouf's opinion leaving opponents alive using any reason or excuse is not good. Thus we can deduce he would rather fight than withdraw. But because he does retreat easily, it means he has no confidence in his fighting prowess. The final conclusion: He's weak.

[DarthEnderX]

Isn't that the same thing? If he theoretically could fight but always leaves instead, he would be a lousy fighter in practice.If he were leaving out of cowardice, then yes. But every time he's left a fight, it's because the fight wasn't his goal.

When fighting Morel, his only objective was to get to the King. He didn't care if he defeated anyone or not, all he cared about was getting free of the smoke, finding out where the King went, and going after him.

When fighting Knuckle and Killua, he similarly had other objectives, first killing the girl, then destroying the gungi board. Knuckle didn't have the girl, so he left, and Killua didn't have the board, so he left.

So far, I haven't seen him leave a fight because he was afraid of losing.


Looking at the situation a bit deeper, he didn't accept Youpi honouring the agreement, which suggests in Pouf's opinion leaving opponents alive using any reason or excuse is not good. Thus we can deduce he would rather fight than withdraw. But because he does retreat easily, it means he has no confidence in his fighting prowess.I think that's a stretch. I think he retreats because his true goals are often time sensitive. He could take the time to fight Morel, but in the time it would take to do it, something could happen to the King(and he ended up taking too long as it was). He could take the time to fight Knuckle or Killua, but in that time, the King could end up discovering the things he's trying to hide from him.

[shinta|hikari]

But if Pouf was actually powerful in a straight fight, he would have just killed Morel instead of trying to sneak away. If it would take him more time to kill Morel than to escape, he is a not as much of a fighter as the other 2 guards, at least.

[DarthEnderX]

If it would take him more time to kill Morel than to escape, he is a not as much of a fighter as the other 2 guards, at least.Not arguing that. Just arguing with Kraco's "he couldn't fight decently to begin with" statement. Being weaker than Youpi and Pitou and being weaker than anyone on the human team is a vast power gulf. It took 5 of them to even bring Youpi to the point where he wanted to make an agreement with them.

[poopdeville]

Not arguing that. Just arguing with Kraco's "he couldn't fight decently to begin with" statement. Being weaker than Youpi and Pitou and being weaker than anyone on the human team is a vast power gulf. It took 5 of them to even bring Youpi to the point where he wanted to make an agreement with them.

And one of them was Killua, who was using Godspeed.

[shinta|hikari]

The ants aren't really that fast (except the King, especially in his current state). They are just stupidly tough. Without that almost cheat like toughness, they would already be dead many times over. Rather than them being great fighters, they are just great survivors.

[Kraco]

Technically I said he has no confidence in his own fighting power, which makes him weak. If he's ready to tell others they shouldn't spare opponents, he surely shouldn't do it himself. However, I reckon there's another facet to his weakness as a warrior: He places no intrinsic worth in the act of fighting itself and thus not on the fighting strength either. He's only looking for the profit vanquishing someone might bring. I suppose that's the outlook of modern warfare in RL, but these guys are mostly martial artists, so it's disastrous to his practical battle prowess. Pouf can't dream of beating people who have given their all to train upon training and acquiring battle wisdom from multiple sources if he doesn't give a shit about his own strength and only hopes to somehow reach his objective.

Naturally he is helped by the bullshit divine strength of these ants; they don't need to do anything and they are basically as strong as the most experienced human nen masters. Pouf should have that potential as well, he's just utterly lacking the will and interest.

[shinta|hikari]

So they have reached Kite. Will Gon just suddenly attack Nef once she fails to restore Kite?

[Buffalobiian]

Killua going all biribiri is pretty cool. Such mastery of an element is no doubt a sign of nen mastery. A few eps ago he was even reviving himself directly from a power socket, which is quite significant in my opinion

I'm not so sure. Killua recharged because electric Nen drains really fast. He claimed that he can play tag all night, but whether that's the case in practice is yet to be seen.


Looking at the situation a bit deeper, he didn't accept Youpi honouring the agreement, which suggests in Pouf's opinion leaving opponents alive using any reason or excuse is not good

I don't think that's the case, but rather that leaving an enemy to live when you could easily kill them only leaves problems for the future.

Escaping instead of fighting Morel meant that he could trap Morel with his undersized self. I agree that Pouf's never thought "I'll beat the shit out of this guy", and I think his cautiousness prevents him from doing so anyway.

As for Gon, I'm only slightly curious. His "lost it" mentality doesn't really interest me all that much.

Palm on the other hand is looking rather sexy these days :D

[Kraco]

I'm not so sure. Killua recharged because electric Nen drains really fast. He claimed that he can play tag all night, but whether that's the case in practice is yet to be seen.

The ability to recharge itself was significant in my opinion. Normally you'd think a nen user needs to rest, eat, and build up his lost stamina like a normal human, which is a rather slow process. Killua can simply stick his fingers into a power socket. Assuming a 16A fuse, he should be back to a top condition in no time! As long as they aren't in a backwards country, finding electricity outlets isn't really all that difficult. When you think about it, elemental powers aren't rare in fiction, and oft the elementalists are resistant to their own element, but only a fraction of them can eat that element to regain their strength quickly.

I'm sure he will be able to extent the time he can use electricity as he trains and grows up. He's still rather small, after all, and battery capacity is directly related to the volume of the battery as well.

[DarthEnderX]

You make it sound like he can use electricity to just cure whatever ails him. Stanima loss, Nen depletion, injuries etc.

I just took it to mean that his lightning powers require a charge, and he can't use them without recharging. But that doesn't mean he can't use his other Nen abilities.

Sure, it's great that he can artificially charge his special powers, but if he can only use them for 30 seconds at a time before needing to recharge, that seems like a drawback, not a benefit.

Compare that to someone like Morel, who can use his powers continuously for days at a time. Would it matter if he could recharge them at a smokestack? Not if they never run out in the first place.

[Kraco]

Sure, if we are talking about haxors who never run out... But then again, Morel didn't really manage to do a whole lot in this battle, did he, despite never running out (although he could do jack shit after stupidly losing his pipe to Pouf of all opponents; a huge weakness if any)? I admit we don't know yet enough about Killua's power to judge it sufficiently. And no, I very much doubt he can cure everything by sucking electricity. But if he can recharge his electricity based nen that way, then it's all good and nothing bad, as the alternative would be to rest like any regular person. I'm sure he can gradually extend the time he can wield it as well. Electricity also doesn't seem to be hugely popular among nen fighters, which means few opponents would know how to defend against it; even a monster like Youpi was helpless, although being a monster he didn't take too much damage.

[DarthEnderX]

(although he could do jack shit after stupidly losing his pipe to Pouf of all opponents; a huge weakness if any)?Absolutely. Other characters have different kinds of weaknesses.


But if he can recharge his electricity based nen that way, then it's all good and nothing bad, as the alternative would be to rest like any regular person.I still think you're looking at it backwards. Nobody else NEEDS to recharge their special Nen ability so quickly. Kurapica's chains never seem to run out of energy. Knuckle's ability works regardless of his own personal condition. Neither of their powers seem to weaken them, or disappear when they have to rest.

Conversely, a special ability that has to be recharged by a physical source after a very short amount of time in use seems like all bad, nothing good to me.

What if he was in a place like where Netero and Meruem fought, where there is no electrical source nearby? He'd be screwed.

[shinta|hikari]

Some powerful abilities can only work for short periods of time. Don't forget Kurapika's eyes. Killua's electricity belongs to that category, only his can be charged, while Kurapika needs actual rest.

[Kraco]

At least he said he could go all day just using the insane speed boost. Maybe the heavy attacks he used against Youpi were too much. Also, though I'm repeating myself, he's still a kid. How long has he trained his electro attacks? Months? A year at most. And nobody can help him with it, since most people wouldn't be able to handle it.

I actually like it more that they would get tired instead of going forever like a duracell bunny. It's far more human and makes fights more exciting. The arc is already losing it, or lost it, with the King becoming a god. The last thing we need is all the others becoming mini-gods as well.

[DarthEnderX]

Maybe the heavy attacks he used against Youpi were too much.Yeah, I'm guessing either he wasn't fully charged to begin with, or the giant lightning bolt he used at the start to attack Youpi drained a ton of energy. Which would make sense, given that more range with an electrical arc means more...amps? Or volts? One of those two.

[Buffalobiian]

Yeah, I'm guessing either he wasn't fully charged to begin with, or the giant lightning bolt he used at the start to attack Youpi drained a ton of energy. Which would make sense, given that more range with an electrical arc means more...amps? Or volts? One of those two.

More potential difference, I'd say. That is, volts.

As for the argument about his ability, Electrifying his Nen is what drains his Nen quickly. I assume that in the same way Killua changes Nen to electricity, he changes electricity into Nen when he recharges. That shouldn't heal him by default, but he could heal using enforcer abilities if he's good enough with it.

Whether or not he can gain significant usage time depends on whether Killua's got good endurance to begin with. If he didn't, then it could be worked on. If he's already above average in that regard, then I don't think it would help terribly much since that means the electrical inefficiency is the dominant factor.

[DarthEnderX]

More potential difference, I'd say. That is, volts.It's whichever one makes a tesla coil shoot really far without actually being harmful. I don't remember which it is.

[Kraco]

As for the argument about his ability, Electrifying his Nen is what drains his Nen quickly. I assume that in the same way Killua changes Nen to electricity, he changes electricity into Nen when he recharges. That shouldn't heal him by default, but he could heal using enforcer abilities if he's good enough with it.

Whether or not he can gain significant usage time depends on whether Killua's got good endurance to begin with. If he didn't, then it could be worked on. If he's already above average in that regard, then I don't think it would help terribly much since that means the electrical inefficiency is the dominant factor.

I don't see how he could have a high efficiency yet considering he basically used such grand electric attacks now for the first time. I also doubt he had ever before used his electricity for really extended times under varying combat circumstances. He might have in the past tried how long he could maintain a simple arc, but that's vastly different from what he's doing now. He's not a super uber hyper ant who is born with all the abilities at 100%, so he needs to train for years, just like Netero demonstrated. Nor would his kid's body have as much basic endurance as an adult body (just look at what sort of a hulk his dad is).

Everybody who uses nen for anything concrete is turning their nen into something else. It might be just muscle power like Gon, or something more bizarre like bombs. Turning it into electricity is nothing fancy at all in that sense.

[DarthEnderX]

Everybody who uses nen for anything concrete is turning their nen into something else. It might be just muscle power like Gon, or something more bizarre like bombs.You realize though that bomb guy doesn't have to, like, eat a bunch of bombs after he uses his power, and why that's a huge benefit right?

Killua basically has an ammo limit on his power that can only be reloaded by external means, that other characters don't have.

[Kraco]

You realize though that bomb guy doesn't have to, like, eat a bunch of bombs after he uses his power, and why that's a huge benefit right?

Killua basically has an ammo limit on his power that can only be reloaded by external means, that other characters don't have.

Where on Earth was it said Killua can't recharge like a normal person, that is, by resting? I interpreted this merely as an extra option: Instead of sleeping like a normal person for 5 hours, he can stick his fingers into a power socket for 5 minutes.

Of course this is a moot point if Togashi is such a poor writer that everybody can go on infinitely without rest or food... But I want to believe that's not the case.

[DarthEnderX]

Where on Earth was it said Killua can't recharge like a normal person, that is, by resting?Fair enough, but, again, bomb guy's power doesn't run out after a couple minutes requiring the need to recharge.


Of course this is a moot point if Togashi is such a poor writer that everybody can go on infinitely without rest or food... But I want to believe that's not the case.First, I think you're overstating the issue. There's a difference between "going infinitely without rest and food" and "not being able to make it through a single battle without running out of power".

Second, I think we're past the point in the series where that's an issue. Can everyone do it? No. Can everyone that our protagonists are likely to get into fights with do it? Probably. I mean, Cheetu had a power that trapped an enemy in another dimension for 8 hours, and he was a low-tier enemy in this arc.

[Kraco]

All of these ants are more or less haxors, so I'm going to discount them. Aside from occasional stupidity they have no weaknesses whatsoever. Though we don't know if they actually might have a single one: The lifespan of an ant.

[Penner]

Did anything else happen with that other "mini-human-baby" that was born together with Meruem? Have they even mentioned that since then or did i dream that shit up lol

[DarthEnderX]

Did anything else happen with that other "mini-human-baby" that was born together with Meruem? Have they even mentioned that since then or did i dream that shit up lolColt went off to raise the baby himself.

I don't think any of the other Ants even know it exists.

[Kraco]

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It looks like Gon will turn into Gollum, with two personalities arguing with each other inside his head, sometimes one having control of the body, sometimes the other. And one of them is murderous.

This wasn't a very good episode, but I guess every series is fated to have such every now and then.

[poopdeville]

It was a little slow, yeah. But I find it interesting that they're playing chess (or gungi) over Komugi now.

[DarthEnderX]

Aww shit yeah! No peaceful resolution on Gon's end at least! Finally! We're gonna have a real fight!


It looks like Gon will turn into Gollum, with two personalities arguing with each other inside his head, sometimes one having control of the body, sometimes the other. And one of them is murderous.That is a wild fucking conclusion to jump to.

He's just being indecisive.

[shinta|hikari]

And I thought Killua was a crybaby.

Gon is absurdly naive, thinking he could actually save Kite. I gave him way too much credit. He really is what he is, a 10 year old kid.

I at least like the fact that Nef is being honorable about this. She could have just killed Gon while he is in his weeping mode, but is actually waiting for him to resolve himself to kill her because he listened to her plea about Komugi.

Looks like Gon is going to sacrifice his life to gain super saiyan mode for this fight. It's too bad Nef is likely going to die from this. She is probably my favorite character in the show so far.

[DarthEnderX]

Gon is absurdly naive, thinking he could actually save Kite.I dunno why. He neither knows the limits of Pitou's powers, nor the extent of Kite's condition. It's not like he saw Kite with his head cut off.

[Buffalobiian]

I can only suppose that walking corpses are as unreal in their world as it is in ours. Slow clap for Pouf. Like him or hate him, that guy's great at sabotage.

[shinta|hikari]

Everyone else thought that Kite was a lost cause. The only reason they kept him intact was to show Gon. It might be possible to bring him back, but only a naive idiot would not consider the worst case scenario and mentally prepare for it, especially if you are diving into enemy territory.

Is Gon fine with Killua or Knuckle dying? Because his current state could directly lead to that. Killua is going to try and rescue him after seeing him bawl after all.

EDIT: The latter part of this arc is pretty horrible. It all started with the nuke revelation. I wish they just planted around 10 nukes in the predetermined abandoned underground cavern where Netero took the King and detonated it once Netero lost. Then Nef would have attacked Gon immediately after learning the King is dead, and we would not have this crybaby fest.

[Kraco]

Is Gon fine with Killua or Knuckle dying? Because his current state could directly lead to that. Killua is going to try and rescue him after seeing him bawl after all.

He's Gon. He's not the thinker type. I doubt he has ever planned his life two moves ahead, let alone something like a Plan B, or what to do about unfortunate coincidences or consequences. Most of the time he probably hasn't planned even a single move but is just pushing forward in the happy-go-lucky manner.

[shinta|hikari]

He was thinking and planning pretty well when he saw through Pouf's lie through logic, and took Komugi hostage. Gon has been pretty inconsistent lately.

[MFauli]

Really slow episode. I had hoped they´d at least end it with Gon´s rage.



Gon is absurdly naive, thinking he could actually save Kite. I gave him way too much credit. He really is what he is, a 10 year old kid.



Nobody knew Pitou´s full powers, and nobody knew about Kaitou´s condition as DarthEnder mentioned. Me personally, I always thought Kaitou was dead for good, but that´s only because I was convinced that this anime wouldn´t play any bullshit cards where a guy who had his head severed could still be living.

Man, looks like next episode is gonna be the real deal.

And Pouf is master level dirtbag material. Genius.

[shinta|hikari]

I never said it wasn't possible to revive Kite, but denying the possibility of him being dead to the point of breaking down in front of your enemy is just preposterous.

[MFauli]

well, since pitou just went along with gon´s demand, he must have thought that it must be possible to return kaitou to normal.

[DarthEnderX]

well, since pitou just went along with gon´s demand, he must have thought that it must be possible to return kaitou to normal.That's clearly not the case. She was only going along with Gon to save Komugi.

If Pouf hadn't told her that Komugi was already safe, she never would have told Gon that Kite was beyond saving.

[MFauli]

That's clearly not the case. She was only going along with Gon to save Komugi.

If Pouf hadn't told her that Komugi was already safe, she never would have told Gon that Kite was beyond saving.

Of course, it is the case.
What Pitou told Gon in the end here doesn´t matter. What mattered is that Gon made the demand "you follow me to where Kaitou is and you heal him". Pitou never commented on if that´s actually possible. She simply went along with Gon´s demands. That´s why he believed everything would be okay.

Only now, he found out that Pitou had been lying to him by omission of truth.

[DarthEnderX]

Oh, I thought you meant Pitou thought he could be healed.

[Buffalobiian]

Pitou went along because she doesn't even know who Kite was. She didn't even recognize Gon, let alone a name she never heard.

[David75]

We have to remember that no matter for what reason, they are enemies.
Pitout feels Gon is strong enough to be a threat and she wants to kill him for that.

Still, despite the many opportunities she got, she's waiting for a fair fight.
After all, even with only one arm, she could kill Gon in a matter of seconds in his state.
For some reason, she's even fueling his hatred and giving him ultimate reasons to fight to the end.
She's not even in a playful state, like she was when she wanted her first fight right after birth and disposed of Kite.

Although it was a little slow, that development seems to promise a great fight. I just hope it will deliver.

[Kraco]

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Alright. One down. Kind of a pity Pitou went first, but on the other hand it would be nice if Pouf went last, so that he could be suitably terrified before his death, especially considering he can't fight worth shit, he can only flee and devise his nefarious plots. So, I hope he will die trying to run in vain.

Quite a fight in any case, but it's hard to predict what will happen to Gon now. He has cracked badly now now, but it's kind of hard to see the main character to go all crazy for the rest of the story, though. In fact it's hard to imagine him to lose even an arm for good.

[Archangel]

And because i know the average gotwoot has the memory and attention span of a peanut let me remind you that there's already a precedent for a massive power spike in Nen in return for restricting yourself in certain ways, such as Kurapika's chains and the rules he must abide while using them. The trade off for this level of power... well you'll find that out eventually, suffice to say it won't be pretty.

And the hair was there because of the massive growth spurt and because it just looks freakin awesome, HxH version of Super Saiyan swagger.


You used shown data to back up why you're correct, but "you'll find that out eventually" is still spoiling.
You. Idiot.

[DarthEnderX]

What...the fucking...fuck...

That was so awesome, it was almost a disappointment. For all that build up, Pitou ended up getting completely curbstomped.

I'm really hoping Pitou is wrong. Cause from the sound of it, Gon is sacrificing his ability to use Nen for this fight. And losing an arm on top of that? What the hell would the rest of the series be about?


I'm assuming this transformation is temporary. And if that's the case, I wonder if this Nen ability isn't some kind of hidden Specialist ability where Gon actually pulls the body of his future self into the present temporarily.

If that is the case, it would be funny if, at some random time in the future, when he's an adult, he suddenly turns back into a kid for a little while.


HxH version of Super Saiyan swagger.Yeah, it feels like Togashi went, "Super Saiyan hair? I can top that."

[poopdeville]

If that is the case, it would be funny if, at some random time in the future, when he's an adult, he suddenly turns back into a kid for a little while.

Yeah, it feels like Togashi went, "Super Saiyan hair? I can top that."

I think he grew like 20 years worth of hair, all at once. In other words, his cells were working over-time, and he literally used up 20 years worth of nen.

The art in the manga was better. Gon wasn't "huge" like Biscuit. http://www.mangahere.co/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v28/c306/5.html

There's still cool stuff in this arc, but I'm ready for the next one now.

[DarthEnderX]

I think he grew like 20 years worth of hair, all at once. In other words, his cells were working over-timeI think that's the obvious explanation.

TOO obvious. It's totally a time travel power!

[poopdeville]

I think that's the obvious explanation.

TOO obvious. It's totally a time travel power!

Well, I mean, he didn't "borrow" from his future. He "earned" the nen by making his body work harder and age faster. How could he undo that?

[DarthEnderX]

Well, I mean, he didn't "borrow" from his future.And how do you know that?

The only explanations we've had to far are Pitou and Killua guessing what happened.

I think he temporarily swapped bodies with his future self. I think it'll wear off, and he'll go back to being a kid, and his future self will probably be stuck missing an arm. :p

[Kraco]

It's actually pretty funny Gon is supposed to suffer a lot because of this, whereas the ants can do whatever they want and only become stronger as a consequence. Including dying, like the king. Though naturally we don't know if all the shit the ants have been pulling off actually means they would die of old age in a year.

[Edort4]

Im speechless. It was cool and at the same time dissapointing. I expected some teamwork between Killua and Gon to defeat Pitou. Not this super powered Gon that could kill the king. This left me thingking why the Hell did Netero need all that "meditation". I guess no1 knew the real potential Gon had but now his power feels wasted on Pitou.

[Kraco]

What we saw here wouldn't have been enough to kill the king.

[Buffalobiian]

Well, I mean, he didn't "borrow" from his future. He "earned" the nen by making his body work harder and age faster. How could he undo that?

By having his cells either regress or remain dormant and remaining that way for 20 years or something.

PS: I like the way anime-gon looked better than that manga image. It makes it more obvious that he's "grown" instead of just bulked.

[Penner]

Fucking hell that was awesome, but as others have said, a bit disappointing at the same time because it's somewhat wasted on Pitou instead of Meruem...

[DarthEnderX]

Fucking hell that was awesome, but as others have said, a bit disappointing at the same time because it's somewhat wasted on Pitou instead of Meruem...I think this arc is basically over at this point. Pitou is dead. Youpi and Pouf aren't really threats anymore. And Meruem already had his climactic battle.

All that really remains is for them to avoid Pouf's schemes and for Komugi to get Meruem to stand down.

[MFauli]

wtf?!

At this point I can say: I knew about some sort of transformation, it was spoiled to me years ago by some manga reader. But I had no idea how Gon would look like and how the fight would go. wtf. So awesome.
And I agree, disappointing at the same time. All this build up for a fight, and then it´s so one-sided.

You guys are talking about Gon losing Nen because of this power, but you´re thinking too small: The way it´s presented, it feels like the price is Gon´s life itself. OF course, he won´t die, but I think we´ll have to see how he can avoid dying.

What was dumb: Him blowing his own arm to pieces. Someone could have reattached it. :/

Also, damn, Pitou looked super hot in this episode. She kinda reminds me of a classmate, that I happen to have a crush on.


What we saw here wouldn't have been enough to kill the king.

You don´t know that and I will disagree, anyway. Unless you´re speaking strictly about Meruem´s power upgrade, if so, it´s possible that Pitou didn´t have the full grasp of her king´s new powers. Otherwise, this Gon had it all. He was so much faster than Pitou that he could afford to toy around with her. One kick left her breathless, the next attack sent her out cold, and it was only because of her weird nen-ability that she could deal another blow to Gon.

Actually, I think Meruem vs this Gon would have been the best fighting match up in terms of pleasuring the audience, us. Two physical combatants, not relying on fancy summons.

I will agree with others that this arc is likely over, but I gotta say, it´d really 1-up itself if they managed to get Meruem vs Gon. Which wouldn´t make any sense, of course, considering Gon only could use this power because of his hatred towards Pitou.

Damn, what an episode ...

[poopdeville]

By having his cells either regress or remain dormant and remaining that way for 20 years or something.


If his cells can regress, he's effectively immortal, aside from accident. Hunter x Wolverine.

If his cells stopped working for 20+ years, he'd be dead and buried, until he suddenly woke up. Hunter x Vampire.

Edit: Aww, a whiner is butthurt. Cute.

[MFauli]

Hm, I think there´s one solution to this whole arc´s problem: Komugi will bring the king to the "good" side. The king infuses his nen into Gon´s body, basically recharging Gon´s life power. At the same time, the king becomes weaker, thus stopping to be a dormant danger for mankind. The end.

Other than that, hm ...
I mean, something that´d be certainly interesting would be a Gon without nen powers. Imaging Naruto without chakra, or SonGoku without Ki, or Ruffy without his gumgum-powers. It´d be game changer. Here´s the question: Is Nen all there is to "our" existence? What I mean is that Gon could strive to search for alternate power sources. Not necessarily sciene based powers, but simply something akin to Nen, but stemming from a different path of learning. Ever since nen was introduced to this series, we took it for granted that this is HXH´s version of chakra/ki/whatever.
It´d be a fresh take on an old concept, if a shounen series actually featured more than just one source of power. Although it´s questionable how believably this new power source could be introduced. After all, wouldn´t all these nen masters like Netero, the Zoldyeks or the Spiders have heard of them already? And we´ve never heard a single hint at something like it.

Nah, no idea how Gon can survive, get back to normal and keep using nen.

[shinta|hikari]

You are assuming the reason Gon will survive would make sense and be believable.

After the nuke thing and the crying scene, I do not trust the author as much as I did before (which was a lot).

[DarthEnderX]

Imaging Naruto without chakra, or SonGoku without Ki, or Ruffy without his gumgum-powers.Or Edward without his Alchemy. Which happened, but that was also the end of the series.

Also, it's more like Luffy without his Haki.


It´d be a fresh take on an old concept, if a shounen series actually featured more than just one source of power.You mean like One Piece does pretty much all the time.

[MFauli]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-05-28/powered-up-figure-of-hunter-x-hunter-gon-has-almost-1-ft-of-hair/.74992

I am SO getting this figurine, lol. Hilariously awesome.
Just wish we´d get a hot Pitou-figurine :(

[DarthEnderX]

I feel like it's weird that they keep establishing the fact that you can obtain enormous power if you're willing to sacrifice.

If that's the case, wouldn't every Nen user do that in a situation where there's about to die?

"This guy is gonna kill me for sure, I'm gonna give up my Nen abilities forever to get crazy powerful for this fight." And then you win. Sure, you pretty much have to retire afterwards, but at least you're alive.


I think he grew like 20 years worth of hair, all at once.If that were the case, wouldn't he also have, like, 2 foot long fingernails?

[Kraco]

I don't think every nen user could pull it off. Probably only the most gifted ones. This seems like a special talent, not a general option available to anybody knowing nen. Otherwise almost everybody would use it in a lethal situation with no other way out, and some would use it also otherwise, not caring about the consequences.

[Archangel]

I feel like it's weird that they keep establishing the fact that you can obtain enormous power if you're willing to sacrifice.

If that's the case, wouldn't every Nen user do that in a situation where there's about to die?

"This guy is gonna kill me for sure, I'm gonna give up my Nen abilities forever to get crazy powerful for this fight." And then you win. Sure, you pretty much have to retire afterwards, but at least you're alive.

Sigh... that's not how it works. It functions on a spiritual level, how much you're willing to sacrifice or restrict yourself from along with the importance you give to it translates into power. Sacrificing your already forfeited life doesn't mean shit, you can't bulshit your own Nen.

It doesn't seem to be something you can rush either but i'm not 100% on that, Gon and Kurapika were boiling in hatred for a while before they actually made anything out of it.

[DarthEnderX]

Sacrificing your already forfeited life doesn't mean shit, you can't bulshit your own Nen.I call bullshit on this because without this powerup, Gon would have been totally dead here. Pitou was about to straight up fucking murder him, so he sacrificed nothing he wasn't about to lose anyway.

So you can absolutely bullshit your own Nen.

[shinta|hikari]

I think only special people in special circumstances with special sentiments can do it. It isn't an eject button, but a nuke trigger. You gotta have it to use it.

[David75]

Like for Cheetu (it was his name right?), it's a bit underwhelming to get rid so fast of a character that was developped for so long.
But that's also why the story keeps being entertaining. Knowing that almost anyone except maybe the MC can die, helps spicing things up.

Regarding Gon, I just hope the sacrificie isn't just his hair... that he'll use to reconstruct his arm and remain bald for say... 2 months?

[Dark Dragon]

Between this and NGNL, madhouse is doing some great stuff this season.

Sad to see Pitou go, he was a pretty good villian. It's not often that you get an androgynous cat boy as a major character.

The fights really are the major redeeming factor about this arc, good to see them all being adapted well to anime.

[DarthEnderX]

The fights really are the major redeeming factor about this arc, good to see them all being adapted well to anime.Couldn't agree less. With the exception of Meruem vs. Netero, pretty much all of the fights in this arc were disappointing. They were almost all completely one-sided beat-downs, or non-starters.

I mean, hell, I think Ikalgo vs. Brovada might have been the second most interesting fight in this arc.


It's not often that you get an androgynous cat boy as a major character....yes it is. This is anime.

[Penner]

Sad to see Pitou go, he was a pretty good villian. It's not often that you get an androgynous cat boy as a major character.

Wat? Did they mention Pitou being male and i just blanked on that? Someone provide evidence of this, otherwise i'm calling bs.

[Buffalobiian]

Wat? Did they mention Pitou being male and i just blanked on that? Someone provide evidence of this, otherwise i'm calling bs.

I'm pretty sure the 'evidence' can only be found in the form of HxH fact books.

[shinta|hikari]

Because of all the design changes, some people are saying that Nef is masculine in the manga and feminine in the anime.

[MFauli]

Wat? Did they mention Pitou being male and i just blanked on that? Someone provide evidence of this, otherwise i'm calling bs.

ignore him, he´s trying to stir up shit because of ... reasons.
Pitou is female, unless your definition of "female" is ignorant and fucked up.

[poopdeville]

Not this shit again.

"Can chimera ants soldier ants reproduce?"

"Yes, they can forcefully mate with females of other species"

http://www.mangahere.co/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v21/c214/10.html

Pitou clearly has a penis, since he can make women pregnant. Also, he called himself a "he" once. A fact you ironically ignore. It's his choice to pick his gender role. And he did. And he chose to be a he. So stop lecturing us.

[MFauli]

Not this shit again.

Agreed.

Pitou looks like a woman.
Sounds like a woman.
Gives off the feeling of a woman.
And certainly does not "clearly have a penis".

When just about everything about her is female, who are you to say she´s not? And she never called herself a "he", she just uses "boku" for fun. That´s tomboyish at best.

This shit debate was, is and always will be infuriating. Everything about Pitou is female. So stop denying reality.

[Dark Dragon]

Sorry, i didn't mean to cause a giant debate. I'm just going off a databook togashi released years ago that stated pitou is a male. For some reason the anime decided to make Pitou more feminine, but hey it doesn't really matter.

Pitou is an imaginary character, so you can decide make a he/she/it or whatever you want it to be. If you really want to believe Pitou is female, go for it.

[poopdeville]

He has a penis. He can make women pregnant, just like all the soldier ants. CANON SAYS SO.

http://www.mangahere.co/manga/hunter...1/c214/10.html

Who cares if he "looks like a woman"? Lots of men do. And they're still men. Who cares if he identifies as a man? Not you, apparently. Who cares if he "feels" like a woman? Uhhh...

[shinta|hikari]

Even Hunterpedia says that there is no confirmed gender for Nef. I really do not understand how people try to make facts out of debatable things. It is fine to argue about it, but claiming it to be truth from just one part (and ignoring all others) of the story is just too close minded.

There are ants that look explicitly female after all, like Zazan or Hina. Do you not believe it possible that after eating creatures like humans, the chimera ants themselves developed a new sex system? They even managed to assimilate Nen after all. They assimilate the appearance and characteristics, but somehow not sex? Just because it was mentioned once before that soldier ants go and mate with females of other species does not negate the possibility of change. The entire chimera ant arc proves that, with the ants evolving every step of the way.

EDIT: I actually think that the feminization of Nef is intentional in the anime to draw more viewers in. Too much sausage can deter male viewers, who are the main consumers of shounen.

[DarthEnderX]

Not this shit again.

"Can chimera ants soldier ants reproduce?"

"Yes, they can forcefully mate with females of other species"

http://www.mangahere.co/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v21/c214/10.html

Pitou clearly has a penis, since he can make women pregnant. Also, he called himself a "he" once. A fact you ironically ignore. It's his choice to pick his gender role. And he did. And he chose to be a he. So stop lecturing us.*says not this shit again*

*proceeds with all of the shit again*


He has a penis. He can make women pregnant, just like all the soldier ants.Are you saying she has a penis BECAUSE she can make women pregnant?

Because there's tons of animals that sexually reproduce without penises. Ants included.

[shinta|hikari]

Are you saying she has a penis BECAUSE she can reproduce with females from other species?

Because there's tons of animals that sexually reproduce without penises. Ants included.

You're not supposed to say that. That is just being mean. I know you are right, but I recommend playing nice. It usually convinces people better.

I also edited the quote for accuracy.

[DarthEnderX]

You're not supposed to say that. That is just being mean....to who?

[MFauli]

He has a penis. He can make women pregnant, just like all the soldier ants. CANON SAYS SO.

Mindlessly repeating yourself doesnt make your statement truer.
There is a throw-away sentence about being able to mate with females of another species. There is, howere, two arguments to be made.

First, mating with another female doesn´t mean you have a penis. Pitou never showed the slightest hint of a penis, and I dont see how she could hide it in her tight pants. I imagine it´d be more of a scissoring-action, combined with exchanging some fluids.

Secondly, as shinta said, you´re speaking of old information about the ants. Even Colt himself didn´t realize at first why he had those flashbacks to the kids that were eaten to create him. Mixing with human beings shook their whole sense of being, as we further witnessed with Youpi or the wolf-guy. And then we have Zazan, who´s so obviously female. As is Pitou.


Who cares if he "looks like a woman"? Lots of men do. And they're still men. Who cares if he identifies as a man? Not you, apparently. Who cares if he "feels" like a woman? Uhhh...

If you identify as a woman, you are a woman. Who are you to tell transgendered people who they really are?
Besides, again, if EVERY outer property of a person is female, at which point will you accept this person to be female? Everything about Pitou screams "I´m a cute cat girl!". Who cares, if her DNA actually features a Y-chromosome?

Hypothetical dream-/hentai-scenario:

I talk to Pitou, she´s got cute, girlish voice. I kiss her soft lips. I strip her naked and touch her perfect sized boobs. I grab her fine ass. I fuck her. I get her pregnant. The end.

Question: At which point was she not a female being? Looking forward to a reply.

[DarthEnderX]

Looking forward to a reply.I sure as fuck ain't.

Character is fucking dead. Can we stop wasting space on arguing her gender?

[MFauli]

Still waiting for a reply.

Meanwhile from anonymous reputator:


creepy

What? Exactly which part of my posting deserves a creepy-label?

[enkoujin]

What? Exactly which part of my posting deserves a creepy-label?

Not the one who sent you that reputation comment, but I think:


mentioning how hot Pitou is every third post in this thread after his/her appearance
arguing vehemently about a fictional character's gender where the gender serves no purpose to the plot or character development
providing an analysis on the visibility of a penis by visual inspection and physical feasibility
devoting a signature advocating rape for the character (satire or not)
describing to us a sexual fantasy of you having unprotected sex with him/her after explicitly emphasizing her feminine features

can be seen as a little creepy.

[MFauli]

Outside of my signature that´s just fun satire and has been established for quite some time by now, nothing of that grants a sudden creepy-label. The description of having sex with Pitou was meant to challenge the other poster for a reply that explains in which way Pitou should have to be considered male, when just about everything about her is female. Since that poster didn´t seem to budge from his entrance statement, I wanted to deny him the possibility of another dodge. I want a clear cut answer.

I also disagree about your accusation of "vehemency". There´s no other discussion going on in this thread currently and the gender of one of the popular main villains doesn´t seem any creepier than a thousand other similar debates we as anime-fans have led over time. An added interest/curiosity here is the topic of what defines a gender, which apparently fits the talk about Pitou.

[Dark Dragon]

General rule of thumb.

If you need to go into a long explanation as to why your actions are not creepy, chances are it's seen as creepy by most people.

I'm not even sure why there's a need to debate Pitou gender anyhow, it's not like your dick falls off if you accidentally masturbate to a guy or something.

[MFauli]

I'm not even sure why there's a need to debate Pitou gender anyhow, it's not like your dick falls off if you accidentally masturbate to a guy or something.

It annoys me when people make dumb remarks. When someone claims "the speed of light in air is 250 km/h", I cannot leave it at that. Similarily, insisting on Pitou being male, when everything about her screams "female", ticks me off. Don´t worry, just to "creep it off", I have no trouble with fapping to traps. Dat Hideyoshi. It´s not about insecurity, it´s about sense and logic. If someone looks female in everything, not discernable from other females, I find it silly to call that one male.

[DarthEnderX]

It annoys me when people make dumb remarks. When someone claims "the speed of light in air is 250 km/h", I cannot leave it at that. Similarily, insisting on Pitou being male, when everything about her screams "female", ticks me off.Right, because those are totally comparable. A scientific fact and a fictional situation that the author has never bothered to clarify.

[MFauli]

Right, because those are totally comparable. A scientific fact and a fictional situation that the author has never bothered to clarify.

In a forum about anime, it´s similarily important, yes.
Still waiting for poopdeville to reply.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm really hoping that he's taking the high road and not dignifying you with a response.

[MFauli]

I'm really hoping that he's taking the high road and not dignifying you with a response.

Yes, because HIS statement was reasonable and elaborate, and my reaction was irrational and silly, right?

sigh

It´s like you want the gotwoot-forum to die. For once, an interesting discussion is blooming, and it´s attempted to be shot down.

[Carnage]

Sorry, i didn't mean to cause a giant debate. I'm just going off a databook togashi released years ago that stated pitou is a male.

End of discussion, jesus these last two pages are pathetic.

[Archangel]

Can i get some goddamn moderating in this thread already?


I call bullshit on this because without this powerup, Gon would have been totally dead here. Pitou was about to straight up fucking murder him, so he sacrificed nothing he wasn't about to lose anyway.

So you can absolutely bullshit your own Nen.

Are you for real? The point is that Gon went into that situation already prepared for what was coming, giving it all up for power wasn't exactly something he came up with on the spot.

[DarthEnderX]

Yes, because HIS statement was reasonable and elaborate, and my reaction was irrational and silly, right?No, you're both being ridiculous. So whichever one of you is the first one to drop it is the less retarded one.


It´s like you want the gotwoot-forum to die. For once, an interesting discussion is blooming, and it´s attempted to be shot down.If this is the only kind of conversation GotWoot can support anymore, than it's already dead.


The point is that Gon went into that situation already prepared for what was coming, giving it all up for power wasn't exactly something he came up with on the spot.Bullshit. They even showed you the EXACT moment where Gon stopped caring if he lived or died anymore, and it was right AFTER Pitou told him she was going to kill him.

[poopdeville]

I don't think Gon was trying to game the nen system. He does everything with maximum resolve. So when he stopped caring and decided to kill Pitou, he rashly and resolutely decided to fuck it all.

I also think any nen user can trade in all of his nen for "one last shot". But it's basically a suicide attack. If you run completely out of nen, you die. And if you don't use it all, you risk not killing the enemy off. Netero did this. Remember how old he got when he did the Buddha-laser thing? He just had a few minutes to live, at best, before setting off the rose.http://www.mangahere.co/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v28/c297/15.html

[Carnage]

I don't find this to be bullshit, restrictions aren't new we've seen the power-up its given to Kurripaca (he can take on the Phantom Troupe). It's been acknowledged previously that Gon has a deep well of power, he's instantly accessed it by placing a severe restriction on himself (said in this episode that he will never be able to use nen again). It's not like anyone can do this, because almost noone else likely has this vast reserve of talent/power.

[Penner]

I always keep wondering in the back of my mind about what the hell all the other powerhouses of the HxH world(people like Gon's dad, other 'high-ranking' hunters etc) is doing during all of this instead of helping to take down Meruem.

Whatever they are up to it must be really fucking important lol


edit: Speaking of what other characters are doing, now i'm also wondering what the hell Kurapica and Leorio is up to :P

[shinta|hikari]

Maybe they are such powerhouses that Meruem (and Netero) are actually inconsequential.

[DarthEnderX]

Man, we haven't seen Leorio in ages...he didn't even have Nen the last time we saw him!


It's not like anyone can do this, because almost noone else likely has this vast reserve of talent/power.If the argument here is that doing this allows a person to access all of the power they're ever going to have at once, then yes, it would work much BETTER for someone like Gon than it would for a less talented person, but you'd still think that in a "definitely gonna die" situation, more people would do it.

Sure, the powerup for someone mediocre like, say, Pokkle, wouldn't be as impressive as it would for Gon, but it would be a powerup non-the-less. It might not even make you strong enough to win, but if you're going to die anyway, there's no reason NOT to do it.


I always keep wondering in the back of my mind about what the hell all the other powerhouses of the HxH world(people like Gon's dad, other 'high-ranking' hunters etc) is doing during all of this instead of helping to take down Meruem.Gon's dad was building VR worlds, like, a decade ago. He's probably exploring Mars or some shit by now.

[Dark Dragon]

Maybe they are such powerhouses that Meruem (and Netero) are actually inconsequential.

This is a good point. I really wonder how important this event was in the HxH world.

Chimera ants are clearly very dangerous animals that shouldn't be allowed to spread. It's reasonable to think that the Hunters would take part in their containment.

But the country is pretty much out in bumfuck nowhere, and if i remember correctly this region rejects any sort of modern technology and that was one of the reason that the chimera ants was able to take over so easily. So i wonder how many other world powers even really cares enough to actually send someone to deal with the whole situation.

I mean, the chimera basically took over the HxH version of North Korea. So i really wonder who even really cares?

[shinta|hikari]

And they can nuke them to death anytime they want to. It's cheap ya?

[Dark Dragon]

And they can nuke them to death anytime they want to. It's cheap ya?

Was that an option they discussed using on the Chimera Ants if it got too out of hand? I can't recall that being mentioned.

[Penner]

Maybe they are such powerhouses that Meruem (and Netero) are actually inconsequential.

If the other high-level hunters/fighters of the world are actually THAT strong then why couldn't one or some of them basically just quickly swing by and 1shot the king and his guards, then let the weaker guys mop up the rest while they continue on their merry way lol


And they can nuke them to death anytime they want to. It's cheap ya?

Hmm, i guess that's always an option if shit goes completely tits-up lol

[shinta|hikari]

They could have done that already if they just rigged Netero's duel area with nukes instead of (or in conjunction to) planting a suicide bomb on Netero.

I find it funny how the author explicitly mentioned that the nukes are cheap, only to make his own plot development cheap.

[Kraco]

Netero did this. Remember how old he got when he did the Buddha-laser thing? He just had a few minutes to live, at best, before setting off the rose.http://www.mangahere.co/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v28/c297/15.html

Gon aside since nothing changed for Gon but his body and the maximum limits, so he just powered up what he already had, Netero's laser attack was totally different from the slapping the buddha statue was doing up until that point. I find it quite hard to believe Netero wouldn't have practiced that attack before when he was developing it. He might have put more power into it this time, but he was a very old man in any case.


(said in this episode that he will never be able to use nen again)

Said by the foremost expert in nen: A few months old ant. You know, Gon himself knows many times more about nen than Pitou ever did.

[Buffalobiian]

Man, we haven't seen Leorio in ages...he didn't even have Nen the last time we saw him!

He did. He was showing off his Nen and the other three went "Oh, that thing..."

I don't believe Zero-hand kills the user per se. It uses all the energy they could use (without dying, if you wanted to..) in give-it-all attack. Netero was a dying man because:

a) He was already half a millennium old, with Nen being the thing that kept him alive for so long and
b) He no longer had the energy to close off his blood vessels and was bleeding to death.

[Carnage]

I think it makes sense to clarify, to me it didn't seem like Gon intentionally "flipped a switch" and placed the nen restriction on himself. It simply looked like he became so emotionally unstable that by nature he powered up, not by active choice. Yeah he says "I don't care anymore" but there's a progression of him losing his sanity, which is why it isn't "bs that anyone can just do since they're going to die anyway". Maybe someone like Netero can do this by choice but I doubt anyone else has the ability to give up all their power for one shot.

[Kraco]

Maybe someone like Netero can do this by choice but I doubt anyone else has the ability to give up all their power for one shot.

Who's giving up all of their power for one shot? There's no evidence that's what Gon is doing, apart from the opinion of his enemy who knows far less about nen than Gon. Moreover, from a purely practical point of view, how exciting will the rest of the story be if Gon loses his nen powers here? As far as I know, this isn't the end of HxH. Gon hasn't even met his old man yet, despite the fact he stupidly, or gonnishly, thinks Kite being dead is the end of the world.

[Carnage]

In context of the information we have in this battle, I don't see any reason to assume Pitou is full of shit considering she figured out nen all on her own and opened up every other ant's ability to use it. Even if not all of Gon's nen disappears, he did place SOME sort of restriction on himself that will have consequences. My main point was that its likely not anyone can willingly place such a massive restriction on themselves as a last resort, which is why this device isn't absolute bullshit.

[MFauli]

The core of this problem appears to be: If someone can just achieve such monstrous power by giving up his own life, why doesn´t everyone do it in face of an overwhelming enemy? It seems logical for me to assume that it´s not as easy as to decide doing that. It makes more sense to assume that it is a result of Gon´s natural talent. Even Netero didn´t really achieve anything by talent, he got stronger by pure repetition and dedication. So, Gon´s transformation is THAT special.


Moreover, from a purely practical point of view, how exciting will the rest of the story be if Gon loses his nen powers here?

In my opinion? Very exciting, since it´d mean he´d have to find new ways to compete with nen-users.

As an aside, finally some positive reputation for me, on the topic of Pitou:


I'd hit it.

[DarthEnderX]

But the country is pretty much out in bumfuck nowhere, and if i remember correctly this region rejects any sort of modern technology and that was one of the reason that the chimera ants was able to take over so easily.Technically, that's the next country over, where the ant's hive was. That was basically Amish country run by drug lords.

The country they're in now is just a stereotypical 3rd world dictatorship.


In context of the information we have in this battle, I don't see any reason to assume Pitou is full of shit considering she figured out nen all on her own and opened up every other ant's ability to use it.Technically, Pitou's entire conclusion seems to be based on how powerful Gon has become. Her logic was "You can't obtain this much strength without sacrificing everything". But maybe she just thinks that based on her own power, and maybe tMeruem's.

It's possible that Gon really is so powerful that he CAN obtain that much strength and not have to have sacrificed it all to get. He might be in a completely different league than Pitou or even Meruem. Which would make Pitou's conclusion not applicable.

[Kraco]

In context of the information we have in this battle, I don't see any reason to assume Pitou is full of shit considering she figured out nen all on her own and opened up every other ant's ability to use it.

In fact I'd say the fact she figured out something of nen all on her own makes her assessment all the more unreliable. She's just like one of the incalculable internet experts out there who know a smattering of a subject yet believe they surely know everything of it and can thus proceed to advice everybody else. In many subjects, and I have no doubt nen is one of them, it's far more dangerous to know a little and become too confident than to realise it's nothing but a tiny bit of the whole. There's a reason why Gon and Killua benefitted so hugely from Biscuit's teaching.

[Buffalobiian]

Technically, Pitou's entire conclusion seems to be based on how powerful Gon has become. Her logic was "You can't obtain this much strength without sacrificing everything". But maybe she just thinks that based on her own power, and maybe tMeruem's.


Except Killua also arrived at a similar conclusion, that to obtain that much power Gon must have sacrificed something he shouldn't have.

[Carnage]

Not only did Killua arrive at the same conclusion, but you guys are ignoring my other point. Even if Gon didn't sacrifice EVERYTHING, it is agreed that he placed some large restriction on himself. The ability to do so willingly is probably not common amongst 99% of nen users, or even Gon himself who lost control, which is why this isn't just an ass-pull from Togashi.

[shinta|hikari]

I don't think it was an ass pull. I expected it to happen due to the large power difference. I just expected super saiyan, and not actually growing older though.

[Penner]

Guys, episode 132 is out!


Just a small 'heads up' before the actual ep discussion starts, since we can't post torrent links in this thread, and people didn't want the first sentence in a new ep post to basically spoil what happens in the episode.


I'm gonna go watch it right now!




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Well damn, after what happened in the previous episode, this ep was pretty disappointing.

Aside from Meruem showing a little bit of his new powerlevel and Pouf coming up with some stupid contest, not much happened.

[shinta|hikari]

That was a horrible episode.

[Kraco]

At the very least the king got bored of pretending of not noticing Pouf is planning something and above all hiding something. But you can already see the king is more mellow than he was originally, despite having lost memories. He would have severely beaten if not killed Pouf otherwise.

But yeah, when the episode is almost entirely about Pouf's annoying plans, it's not going to be entertaining to watch.

[DarthEnderX]

Good luck finding Pitou before Meruem finds the intruders guys. She's in the next country over, and dead.

I was beginning to get annoyed with this situation prior to this episode, because Pouf shouldn't have been able to do all the shit he was doing considering Meruem said before that he could feel their thoughts. And it was stretching credibility that Youpi went so long without mentioning Komugi. But they addressed both of those things in this episode.


It looks like Gon didn't stay as a grown-up, which is a plus. Though his hair is still long.

Now, Bizeff and the Nen-eating ant chick should be in the basement stealing the treasure right? I wonder if there's going to be a fight down there between her and Palm.


since we can't post torrent links in this threadIs this a new thing?

[Penner]

I can't remember exactly how long ago it actually happened, but because of some 'DMCA takedown' notice, we're not allowed to post Hunter X Hunter torrent links.

[shinta|hikari]

The King knowing about their deception and going along with it was obvious. Togashi may have been stumbling a little in the latter part of this arc, but he isn't that bad of a writer.

Gon looked a little malnourished on Killua's back. Maybe he grew too old and shriveled up like Netero.

[David75]

Ep 133 is out.



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Ok, so it was really a Nuke after all.
Other than that. Nothing more than some development needed for the finale of the arc I guess.

[Kraco]

Ok, so it was really a Nuke after all.


Right, though I don't think there was any ambiguity in that, rather only how resistant the ants were to the effects. I said earlier the King wouldn't be able to breed anymore, but of course it makes more sense the amount of radiation from that close isn't going to cause only infertility. I'm actually happy with this conclusion for two reasons: The ants aren't so divine, after all, and Netero really did know what he was doing (and didn't die for nothing).

I think the general structure of this arc is kind of interesting: The ants rose phenomenally, shook two countries quite thoroughly, but then were almost arbitrarily swatted dead (if you consider the fact they were defeated by nongovernmental agents in a small, limited operation). My sympathy was never on the ants' side during this arc, but assuming this is indeed how it will end, they do deserve both respect and pity.

[MFauli]

i feel bad for pouf suddenly. all alone now :(

[exglitch67]

Right, though I don't think there was any ambiguity in that, rather only how resistant the ants were to the effects. I said earlier the King wouldn't be able to breed anymore, but of course it makes more sense the amount of radiation from that close isn't going to cause only infertility. I'm actually happy with this conclusion for two reasons: The ants aren't so divine, after all, and Netero really did know what he was doing (and didn't die for nothing).

I think the general structure of this arc is kind of interesting: The ants rose phenomenally, shook two countries quite thoroughly, but then were almost arbitrarily swatted dead (if you consider the fact they were defeated by nongovernmental agents in a small, limited operation). My sympathy was never on the ants' side during this arc, but assuming this is indeed how it will end, they do deserve both respect and pity.

At first I was a little disappointed that Gon exhausted his power on Pitou, as at the time it seemed a little insignificant compared to the challenge that the king posed. Now it might be the most significant win in the arc assuming Pitou had the power to cure radiation poisoning.

[DarthEnderX]

Guess the ants aren't immune to radiation after all. Looks like Netero managed to take them all with him after all.

So really, Netero and Gon were the only ones that actually did their jobs in this arc.

This is really not the conclusion I was expecting for this arc.


Now it might be the most significant win in the arc assuming Pitou had the power to cure radiation poisoning.Ooh, hadn't even considered that.

Or that if Pitou had fed herself to the King the same way the others did and he'd gained the ability to heal himself.

[shinta|hikari]

Nef could probably heal wounds on a mechanical level, but not damage on a cellular level. I really doubt she could cure "radiation" poisoning.

Gon had the most significant win in this arc because Netero tied (he died), and if Gon did not kill Nef, Nef would kill everyone else.

[DarthEnderX]

Nef could probably heal wounds on a mechanical level, but not damage on a cellular level. I really doubt she could cure "radiation" poisoning.Who knows. Doctor Blythe has, like, IV bags and injectors and whatnot as well as operating instruments. Who knows what it was capable of curing.

[shinta|hikari]

IV bags and injectors cannot cure acute radiation poisoning. Who knows is the right answer, but I am willing to bet nay based on what we have seen and common sense. I'm amazed they didn't die from the radiation after eating a nuke point blank, but that is likely for dramatic effect in the succeeding episodes.

[poopdeville]

I think Nef definitely could not save the king with Doctor Blythe, even if she could fix broken DNA. I think there's a much better chance that the King could save himself, if he had absorbed Nef. It all comes down to whether he could fix his DNA as quickly has the dangerous isotopes in his body damaged it. But we'll never know. Gon smashed Neferpitou's skull in! Neferpitou is dead!

[Kraco]

I think Nef definitely could not save the king with Doctor Blythe, even if she could fix broken DNA. I think there's a much better chance that the King could save himself, if he had absorbed Nef. It all comes down to whether he could fix his DNA as quickly has the dangerous isotopes in his body damaged it.

Yeah, I agree. Pitou was the only one who didn't take a walk in ground zero. So, if the King had eaten her and replaced his own cells with her undamaged ones, he might have survived. Or at least something would have survived, as realistically whatever had come out of it shouldn't have looked quite like the King anymore.

All in all it's fitting the ants had no idea what they were dealing with. They were too young to have learned too much.

[Buffalobiian]

All in all it's fitting the ants had no idea what they were dealing with. They were too young to have learned too much.

If knowledge could have saved them, it's ironic that the very first kill the King made was the reading penguin. Bad move on this part then.

[enkoujin]

If knowledge could have saved them, it's ironic that the very first kill the King made was the reading penguin. Bad move on this part then.

...which wouldn't have upset Meleron to join the Hunters and allow them to succeed this far.

I also don't believe Pitou's abilities could heal the radioactive poisoning either. Her powers should be limited to only physical healing and reanimation. If Meruem had a chance to absorb Pitou, I still think he would only extend his life by a week or two given that his original core body was heavily exposed to the nuke.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm curious how Welfin's conversation with Youpi went before Youpi died.

Seeing little baby Youpi laying on the ground dead was really kinda sad...