Hunter x Hunter 2011

[DarthEnderX]

Chakra: Both chakra and nen gave way to more intricate abilities than Chi/Reitsu.And they're both lazy writing.

Ki is just "inner energy my characters can shape themselves" while Nen/Chakra is "Ki I can make do anything my plot requires".

It's all just poorly defined magic shit, or defined magic shit that the writer ignores anyway whenever he needs it to.

That's how all shounen anime is.

1. Introduce mystical energy.

2. Explain rules for mystical energy.

3. Introduce characters that ignore those rules. Call them "special".


Kuripaka/Gon: Sorry I meant to type Killua/Gon. Yes the rivalry of the pure protagonist with his shrewd best friend is a common throughout shonen genre, but Gon's best friend having an obsessive relationship with a criminal older brother doesn't sound familiar? If not also coming from an elite mercenary family? Weren't the Uchihas the police of Konoha?I actually think you were right the first time.

Gon and Naruto are both typical shounen protagonists. But Sasuke is a lot more like Kurapica than he is like Killua.

I mean Sasuke/Kurapica is literally two character obsessed with obtaining power so they can avenge the slaughter of their clans. Also magic eyes.

Sasuke is just Kurapica if you take away Kurapica's redeeming qualities.

Killua may have the whole "comes from an elite family" thing in common with Sasuke, but their personalities couldn't be more different. Killua is geniunely friendly with his rival, he has a playful personality, and his driving motivation isn't vengeance, it's freedom.

[Carnage]

I'll grant you the nen/chakra since yes every anime does have it. But you really can't ignore everything else. Togashi is a very original writer, his story is always refreshingly creative. But for kishimoto are just so many instances in which Naruto parallels HXH.

[poopdeville]

That's how all shounen anime is.

1. Introduce mystical energy.

2. Explain rules for mystical energy.

3. Introduce characters that ignore those rules. Call them "special".


Has this actually happened in HxH?

Gon is 'special', but he's also reinforcement and his powers are pretty generic.

The Nen rules are applied pretty consistently. Even the exceptions, which are "allowed" in a moment of passion, but have terrible consequences.

[TwisT]

No, the only 2 known cases (i can remember right now at least) that has this "special" status you speak of that let's them ignore rules is Kurapica and Chrollo. Kurapica can utilize all groups at 100% and Chrollo can learn unlimited amount of nen-skills and use those specific skills at 100% regardless of group they belong to. And neither ability has any consequences.

[DarthEnderX]

I'll grant you the nen/chakra since yes every anime does have it. But you really can't ignore everything else.I didn't argue with anything else.

[MFauli]

No, the only 2 known cases (i can remember right now at least) that has this "special" status you speak of that let's them ignore rules is Kurapica and Chrollo. Kurapica can utilize all groups at 100% and Chrollo can learn unlimited amount of nen-skills and use those specific skills at 100% regardless of group they belong to. And neither ability has any consequences.

How are those two "special without consequences"?
Kurapica is limited to use his powers on Spider-members only. He´d totally lose against Gon, for example.
Crollo can copy anything, but he can only use one power at a time. And has to hold his book while doing so.

It´d be unfair to put HXH in the same camp as most other shounen-series, as it REALLY does a better-than-typical job at presenting abilities.

[shinta|hikari]

The only thing Kurapika cannot use is his chains. He can use his red eye specialist ability against anyone, but it does drain him like the sharingan does to its user.

They aren't ignoring the rules. They specifically mentioned the Specialist type as a catch all for these random OP abilities. It is a cheap way to do it, but they still maintained the rules.

[Kraco]

They aren't ignoring the rules. They specifically mentioned the Specialist type as a catch all for these random OP abilities. It is a cheap way to do it, but they still maintained the rules.

The Specialist is clearly a cop-out to explain any ability required by the plot but poorly fitting any of the real, defined slots. But then again, you can also argue that the whole system is poorly understood on the level of theory, despite people being able to use awesome powers, so the whole diagram is fundamentally flawed (their belief of how nen works doesn't match the reality, leaving them with a category of powers that can't be explained. Kind of like RL physics have had and still have mysterious universal constants that make calculations seemingly work yet those constants aren't always explained by any solid theory).

[Splash!]

I would question just how 'overpowered' these specialist abilities are. I haven't seen an ability that is inherently better than the more generic ones. Neither Chrollo or Kurapika's abilities particularly impress me all that much.

Sure Chrollo can copy nen abilities but he has a lot of strict rules to adhere to.

Similarly, Kurapika may be able to temporarily use all nen types at 100% efficiency with his eyes activated, but he would still have to spend quite a bit of time training these abilities. Since he gets fatigued from using his eyes too much, it does not make much sense to prioritize other nen categories over his own. Emperor Time may have helped him out in a pinch against Uvo, but ultimately it was his Chains that allowed him to triumph. Also, if the fight between Kastro and Hisoka showed us anything, it was that straying too far from your category is a recipe for disaster.

I feel that the Enhancer, Emitter and Transmuter categories are more well-rounded. If anything, the affordance given Conjurers and Manipulators to become Specialists later on probably balances thing.

[Uchiha Barles]

I think Kurapica's emperor time is probably OP, but that depends on how this nen thing works. Each of kurapica's chains has a different ability. Kurapica conjures his chains, and gives them abilities. Is there anything stopping someone who is not a conjurer from buying a chain and imbuing said chain with abilities similar to kurapica? If the answer to that is "yes", then emperor time is overpowered.

Keep in mind that Kurapica learned about nen at the same time as Gon and Killua. Yet, Kurapica defeated a spider specialized in combat, in a 1v1 death match, and left the fight without so much as a scratch. Gon and Killua, despite having immense innate talent (that we're supposed to believe is above and beyond Kurapica's innate talent), can't hold a candle to any of the spiders. It was the reinforcement nen that caused Uvo to have to dodge those chains the way he did. He probably could've blocked them otherwise. It was also the reinforcement nen that caused Kurapica to not explode on contact when Uvo hit him with 100% power. I suspect it was the reinforcement nen that allowed Kurapica to physically keep up with Uvo's speed. And all of this he did while testing various things, instead of just killing Uvo as efficiently as possible.

Something's not quite balanced here.

[TwisT]

Well you shouldn't confuse his nen-ability "Emperor Time" with his Vow/Restriction that he has placed on himself. Only reason he out preforms Gon and Killuha is the restriction he placed on himself. I usually think of it as a focusing lens, restricting the area at which you shine the light but the light becomes much more intense at the area it can shine on. Like a laser beam.


How are those two "special without consequences"?
Kurapica is limited to use his powers on Spider-members only. He´d totally lose against Gon, for example.
Crollo can copy anything, but he can only use one power at a time. And has to hold his book while doing so.

Those aren't consequences. The word consequence indicates that there is something bad by using the powers. That you would lose something for the power you gain. Non of them lose anything. They only gain. Kurapica can use his Eyes/Specialist powers against anyone. He just has problem getting the mojo going unless it has something to do with the Spiders. Shinta said that too and also mentioned a drain in power while activated. That would be a consequence. But i have seen nothing that says or indicates that he get drained while having his eyes activated. Maybe i just missed or forgot some detail that has stated this for a fact. As for Chrollo those ain't consequences either. Have you seen anyone use more then 1 power at the same time? Only one i can think of would be Kurapica that used "Chain Jail" and the healing chain at the same time but that could be argued that both are 2 different applications of the same power.


Similarly, Kurapika may be able to temporarily use all nen types at 100% efficiency with his eyes activated, but he would still have to spend quite a bit of time training these abilities. Since he gets fatigued from using his eyes too much, it does not make much sense to prioritize other nen categories over his own. Emperor Time may have helped him out in a pinch against Uvo, but ultimately it was his Chains that allowed him to triumph. Also, if the fight between Kastro and Hisoka showed us anything, it was that straying too far from your category is a recipe for disaster.

Can you clue me in on where i can find this statement that he gets fatigued for using his eyes? And the fact is that Kurapica uses all nen groups all the time. His entire chain utilizes most groups. Without Emperor Time it would be almost useless against a Spider. Chain jail that activates Zetsu is a Manipulator ability. The healing chain is enhancer. The judgement chain should be Manipulator powers. And the reason the chain is as strong and fast as it is, is because of the combined element of Conjurer, Manipulation and Enhancement (maybe even Emission). Kastro vs Hisoka showed us what happens when you focus on another group and you ain't Kurapica.

[Penner]

I seem to recall a brief moment after Kurapica killed Uvo when he said or thought to himself something along the lines of "I stayed in that state too long" after he "shut down" his red-eyes.

As I haven't read the manga or watched the original anime, it must have been in this new version... either that or my brain made that shit up for some reason.

[shinta|hikari]

It was in this show.

[poopdeville]

The only thing Kurapika cannot use is his chains. He can use his red eye specialist ability against anyone, but it does drain him like the sharingan does to its user.


His chains are his powers... each chain represents a technique. So, since he can't use (most) of his chains on anybody but the spider, he is pretty much defense-less against anyone else.

[Uchiha Barles]

His chains are his powers... each chain represents a technique. So, since he can't use (most) of his chains on anybody but the spider, he is pretty much defense-less against anyone else.

I think only the chain that forces the zetsu state on his opponents has the restriction that it can only be used on the spiders. The chain he used to smash Uvo with is freely used, the lie detector chain/location person or object chain can be used freely, and I can't think of a reason the "condition obedience" chain can't be used freely. If I recall correctly, he used that chain to improve the restriction on the zetsu forcing chain, but it does not have a restriction itself.

[shinta|hikari]

Kurapika is using his chains in combination with his Emperor Time because that makes the most sense. Why not combine two existing powers to create an even more powerful one? This is the most efficient way, but not the only way.

He can, for example, fight hand to hand using Reinforcement. That does not have anything to do with his chains, but is a power given solely by his eyes.

[DarthEnderX]

So really, he's not THAT screwed once the Spiders are all dead.

I mean, he just can't use his chains. So couldn't he just learn to Conjur something else?

And even if he can't, he can still use his other powers half-assed.

I mean, that's probably not enough to allow him to keep up during a shounen plot, but that probably won't happen till the end of the series anyway. And he'll probably still be strong enough to earn a living anyway.

[Penner]

Hisoka is one sneakyass mofo.

[enkoujin]

55 is out!

(late, but obligatory to consistently indicate new episode release)

[Kraco]

Hisoka is one sneakyass mofo.

He was walking quite a fine line between succeeding and failing. Funnily enough he still injected enough truth in it to keep sounding convincing should the others learn more about Kurapika. He's a real hunter (not referring to Hunters) stalking his prey and every bit as intelligent.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, you would think if he was going to change his fortune, he'd take out the part about him betraying them. Instead, he did something far more subtle.

[shinta|hikari]

Why doesn't Pakunoda just read his mind? Was the false conclusion the leader was led to preventing that course of action? IIRC, Hisoka's fake fortune implied that he cannot tell them about the chain user, but does that apply to when your mind is simply read?

[Uchiha Barles]

Good point. If push came to shove, I'm sure Hisoka could say that the conditions set upon him require that he prevent anyone from gaining that information through any means, which is reasonable considering that Hisoka claims that he was forced to tell the chain user of the troupe member's powers, including Pakunoda's. So if she tried to read his mind, he'd fight her. If the other members came to assist, he'd run. That potentiality though makes Hisoka's gambit even more risky.

[Kraco]

Haha. What do you guys think these fellows are? They are almost at the very bottom of the scale of criminal scum, the worst kinds of murderers and pillagers. And yet among them Hisoka is still hiding something even the rest wouldn't want to hear: That he's only there to fight (to the death) their leader. There was never a moment, from the beginning, Hisoka would have allowed Pakunoda anywhere near him, and now less than ever. Considering who they are, they all have their secrets, if nothing else, then the full extent of their powers. Few of them would want their own mind to be probed directly, which is why none of them now required Hisoka's mind to be scanned.

[MFauli]

I´d say there´s also the thing about it being done "intentionally". If Pakunoda had read Hisoka´s mind without him knowing, everything would have been fine. Now that Hisoka knows that the other members want to know his secret, he would have to intentionally allow Pakunoda to read his mind ... und thus be breaking the limitation set by Kurapika.

[DarthEnderX]

Why doesn't Pakunoda just read his mind?That...is a very good point.

[Archangel]

Pakunoda didn't read his mind because Hisoka would never have allowed her to do so. If he did i don't think the rest of the Spiders would be too happy with his real motives for being in the organization in the first place.

[DarthEnderX]

Yes but, given the situation, in what position would he be in to refuse?

It's a "Well, I'm going to read your mind to find out what happened."

"I'm not going to let you."

"Okay, I guess the other 11 of us are going to kill you then."

[Carnage]

Maybe he could imply that they would all die if she tried by law of kurrapica's ability.

[Kraco]

Yes but, given the situation, in what position would he be in to refuse?

Although I'm repeating myself, but the very reason that didn't happen wasn't a mistake in Togashi's writing but a reality of the group. They can't demand one of them to be brain scanned without risking creating a precedent that any of them could be probed in the future. No ordinary human would want that to happen to themselves, super criminals all the less. Plus murderers like these working perfectly together is a very delicate and rare thing in itself. You could see that trust among them at large was quite a superficial thing (aside from individual cases), and establishing mind probing would have likely caused the whole group to fall apart soon.

So, in short, he would be in a very understandable position to refuse. He also knew that his plot had high chances of failing.

[Munsu]

Hisoka mentioned that he'd be forced to defend himself. Don't think the rest needs to be explained.

[poopdeville]

Why doesn't Pakunoda just read his mind?

Kuroro assumed that Hisoka was under a restriction and didn't want to risk him dying over nothing. As Munsu pointed out, Hisoka said he'd have to defend himself -- the implication being that he'd die if Pakunoda read his mind.

[DarthEnderX]

I feel like you guys are practically writing fanfiction here to justify this plot hole.

When speaking of defending himself, he was clearly talking about if someone like Nobunaga attacked him. And his exact words were that he couldn't answer. Pakunodo could have retreived answers from him without him having to answer.

Basically, with the information he gave them, there should have been no reason they would have thought Pakunoda's ability wouldn't work, and given the situation Hisoka WANTED them to believe(that he'd being somehow controlled/limited by the chain user) in such a situation, Hisoka would have WANTED her to use her power so that he could convey information without having to reveal it himself.

By refusing to allow her to use her power, he'd basically be admitting that the boss' conclusion wasn't true.


And if your next argument is, "well maybe the chain user's power wouldn't allow him to do anything that would reveal what happened, including having their mind read" if that was the case, than the same limitation would have prevented him from handing over his fortune to the rest of the group in the first place.

It's a plot-hole. Period. You can make up excuses about group dynamic and whatnot, but like I said, it's just fanfic.

In the situation Hisoka WANTED them to believe, he would have wanted her to read his mind as a way of passing them information without having to give it to them directly. And any clause that would have prevented him from letter her read his mind would have also prevented him from handing over his fortune.

[Kraco]

Yeah, right. So, it's automatically a plothole if it wasn't explained in painstaking detail? Maybe in a shounen show every single thing needs to be explained, just like in a fight the participants explain their every move beforehand and afterwards, but even so it might be just bad shounen writing, not a plothole.

[Uchiha Barles]

Ok, yes, something unexplained and unaccounted for in the plot exists given what we know about it. The key here is that there are a number of easily conceivable and acceptable explanations for that plot hole. You don't have to dig deep, stretch far, etc. to come up with something to fill the hole. This basically means that is not terrible writing. The things we use to fill the hole are fan-fiction? Ok, so what? These fanfics arose from someone pointing out the plot hole, which we then filled with reasonable explanations.

As far as the fortune is concerned and him being able to hand it over, just think about what would happen if Kurapica got to use the judgement chain on Hisoka, and Hisoka was a real, loyal spider. There are any number of reasons Kurapica might want to keep Hisoka alive, one of which is to continue gaining information from him. However, he doesn't want his identity revealed in case their relationship is discovered by the spiders. So Kurapica places a restriction on him: "Don't allow any information you have discovered about me at this meeting, or will discover about me in future meetings to become known by the spiders." At which point, Hisoka would object, saying that should he be discovered, he's dead anyway if he can't say anything, there's no way he's beating all those monsters. So Kurapica modifies the restriction: "they are allowed to know that there is a restriction upon you preventing you from divulging the information they seek."

This would allow him to hand over the version of the fortune he handed over, answer chrollo in the manner he answered, and yet not allow him to let Pakunoda read his mind. Is this fan-fiction? Sure. Is it unreasonable? I don't think so, at least. And there are probably a number of other explanations the author could easily have fit in there if he was so inclined. It's not necessary though. The deception Hisoka weaved was solid enough to withstand the situation it was designed to.

[Splash!]

Why are you all forgetting that Hisoka cleverly fabricated the fact that he told the chain-user about the abilities of 8 members in the troupe (including Pakunoda) and not just 2? This is an important part of the lie. It is not so far-fetched to assume that the chain-user would have some kind of safeguard to protect against Hisoka's mind being read if he were aware of Pakunoda's powers.

It seems to me that Togashi already considered this 'plot-hole'.

Edit: Seems Uchiha Barles already made this point earlier, but it was glossed over

[shinta|hikari]

I know that there are possible explanations as to why Pakunoda did not read Hisoka's mind. I just wish they mentioned or at least clearly implied one so that the viewers did not have to guess at it by making assumptions.

The author makes essays about just one of Kurapica's powers, but does not spare one sentence to explain this. I don't think it is terrible writing at all. I just find it a bit uncharacteristic for this show.

[Munsu]

"Plot holes", the most overused and misused concept in storytelling.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, right. So, it's automatically a plothole if it wasn't explained in painstaking detail?It's a plothole if there is a gap in the logic of something and there are characters present that have been established as clever geniuses and they don't notice said gap.

The fact that there is an inconsistency in Hisoka's story is not a plot-hole. After all, his story is fabricated. The fact that there's a way to test it and neither Chrollo nor anyone else present thinks of it, given the intelligence that has been attributed to some of those characters, is one.


This would allow him to hand over the version of the fortune he handed over, answer chrollo in the manner he answered, and yet not allow him to let Pakunoda read his mind. Is this fan-fiction? Sure. Is it unreasonable? I don't think so, at least. And there are probably a number of other explanations the author could easily have fit in there if he was so inclined. It's not necessary though.That would be all well and good, IF someone present had at least thought to bring up the obvious solution, and Hisoka had similarly refused.

But the fact that it wasn't brought up implies that either the writer himself didn't think of it, or he couldn't think of an excuse to get around it, so he simply didn't bring it up and hoped no one would notice.


The deception Hisoka weaved was solid enough to withstand the situation it was designed to.Clearly it wasn't if several members of this board noticed it immediately and we're probably not nearly as intelligent as the writer wants us to believe Chrollo and some of the other spiders are.

[Uchiha Barles]

It's a plothole if there is a gap in the logic of something and there are characters present that have been established as clever geniuses and they don't notice said gap.

The fact that there is an inconsistency in Hisoka's story is not a plot-hole. After all, his story is fabricated. The fact that there's a way to test it and neither Chrollo nor anyone else present thinks of it, given the intelligence that has been attributed to some of those characters, is one.

Again, Hisoka mentioned that Pakunoda's powers were revealed to the chain user. Given Chrollo's analysis of Hisoka's answers and the fortune, he probably figured that the chain user used the information Hisoka gave up in order to craft a proper restriction that would account for Paku's mind reading abilities. If a reasonable restriction is given by the anime, or is crafted as "fan-fic" then, a leap of logic is not required to understand why it would be reasonable for Chrollo not to bring up Paku's mind reading abilities. Same goes for all of the spiders. In fact, I think it would be more reasonable for someone with an emotional motivation to request that Paku use her abilities. Admittedly, I didn't think about it until I saw someone post of it here, but before I was done logging in to respond, I already had a handful of reasons as to how this scenario could reasonably exist. They flow naturally given what we know about the world, the characters, and the lie.


That would be all well and good, IF someone present had at least thought to bring up the obvious solution, and Hisoka had similarly refused.

But the fact that it wasn't brought up implies that either the writer himself didn't think of it, or he couldn't think of an excuse to get around it, so he simply didn't bring it up and hoped no one would notice.

It's a possibility that the writer himself did not, or could not think of an excuse to get around it, but it is not a necessary implication. For one, there are a bunch of possible explanations on this thread alone from people who haven't thought as deeply about the series as you would expect the writer of the series would. It is annoying to always have everything explained in exhaustive detail, particularly when unnecessary. It would be unnecessary here considering there is no leap of logic, and the exposition would be done to account for something that's a fabrication in the universe to begin with. Finally, considering the quality of Togashi's previous work along with his work in hxh up to this point (and beyond if you're privy to it), I don't see what is accounting for the difficulty here in giving him the benefit of the doubt.


The author makes essays about just one of Kurapica's powers, but does not spare one sentence to explain this. I don't think it is terrible writing at all. I just find it a bit uncharacteristic for this show.

I kind of see your point, but again, excessive exposition gets to be a pain in the ass. Avoid it where you can. To me, this seems like a prime place to avoid it because 1) the situation is a fabrication, and 2) the explanation for it is easily contrived.



Clearly it wasn't if several members of this board noticed it immediately and we're probably not nearly as intelligent as the writer wants us to believe Chrollo and some of the other spiders are.

Like I said, I didn't notice it, but once it was brought to my attention, it took no time to figure out why it wasn't much of an issue. It doesn't take a genius for that. It's not unreasonable to think Chrollo the genius noticed it, and that Chrollo came to some conclusion as to why it was accounted for (i.e. the chain user knows of Pakunoda's powers).

[poopdeville]

My interpretation of events is not fan fic. Here, read the manga carefully until you realize your mistake:

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/hunter_x_hunter/v12/c105/8.html

[Splash!]

Is there a translation error or something on page 9? He says 8 members in total, after mentioning only 7 (and skipping Pakunoda altogether). Her name was definitely mentioned in the anime though.

[DarthEnderX]

My interpretation of events is not fan fic. Here, read the manga carefully until you realize your mistake:No thanks. If the anime is different from the manga it's not "my mistake". It's the anime's mistake.

I can only draw conclusions based on the information that's presented to me. If the manga is different, that's not my problem.

Unless it's just the translation that's wrong.

[Kraco]

I can only draw conclusions based on the information that's presented to me.

Such mentality is half of the problem. Maybe it won't take away much when watching archetype shounen like HxH, but with even a bit more complicated stories you have to draw conclusions based also on what is not presented directly, without crying foul the first moment you thought something unexplained happened. It's not like some committee was supervising that every detail must be explained even in shounen, it just normally happens to be so (for ill effects).

So, in short, the manga didn't really add anything essential that couldn't have been derived from the anime as well. Plus the anime had better translations.

[Uchiha Barles]

The manga is certainly more complete in its details, but I don't see what the is lacking at all in order to come to a conclusion on this.

[DarthEnderX]

with even a bit more complicated stories you have to draw conclusions based also on what is not presented directly, without crying foul the first moment you thought something unexplained happened.I really don't, because it's STILL a plot-hole.

Yes, you can come up with a bunch of reasons for it yourself to explain it. But when the medium itself doesn't provide a logical explanation, it's still technically a plot-hole.

And just because there is a plot-hole doesn't mean the whole thing is ruined. It just means that a thing happened without a logical reason.


All I said was, this is a plot hole. And by the definition of plot hole, it is.

The end.

[Munsu]

I really don't, because it's STILL a plot-hole.

Yes, you can come up with a bunch of reasons for it yourself to explain it. But when the medium itself doesn't provide a logical explanation, it's still technically a plot-hole.

And just because there is a plot-hole doesn't mean the whole thing is ruined. It just means that a thing happened without a logical reason.


All I said was, this is a plot hole. And by the definition of plot hole, it is.

The end.

It's not a plot hole. The medium doesn't have to provide a "logical explanation". Although possible explanations are there if one cares to look hard enough.

Once again, "plot hole": the most overused and misused term in entertainment.

[Penner]

Ep 56 is out.

[David75]

I'm a little surprise Kortopi woul accept such a way of being implanted memories with.

Nobunaga is ready to cope with almost anything that would help him get to Kurapika, so it's understandable he'd take that risk.

Kortopi however did not display any behavior telling us he'd go that far. Or is it because they are part of the troupe and it's normal to exact revenge regardless of the costs/means?

[Uchiha Barles]

There just seems to be a very high level of trust between the members. That level varies, with Hisoka probably being the least trusted amongst everyone because of how new he is.

[MFauli]

Why is trust necessary for accepting a memory bullet? It´s just an easy way to deliver information.

I´d rather like to know why all Troupe members are so goddam fast. Both Gon and Killua have been portrayed as extremely gifted individuals in terms of speed. Now, if Nen is used to increase your speed, wouldn´t that have been among the basic lessons when learning about it? Dunno, but imo these villains are too speedy.

[Kraco]

I guess most of them, aside from Hisoka, have gone through a lot together. Considering their profession I don't think there should be any unconditional trust between them, but probably they believe they can judge each other and the situation somewhat accurately, again likely with the exception of Hisoka. They are all powerful but they should know there are people, like assassins of the Zoldyck family, who could take them out if they were all alone out there. Also, they can perform far greater heists together due to simple logistics. So, it's a risk to trust a technique like that, but it was a risk worth accepting right then and there.

[Uchiha Barles]

Why is trust necessary for accepting a memory bullet? It´s just an easy way to deliver information.

Because out of that same gun, she's been show to fire bullets that blow peoples brains out. They don't necessarily have a way of telling which is coming out, so they'd have to trust that she intends to do what she says.

And yeah, you're right about them being pretty fast, but they're not prohibitively fast. Gon and Kurapica both were able to keep up with them, and Killua caught up to them. I'd take it that every single member of the spiders are specially talented.

[David75]

Regarding speed, do not forget that Killua and Gon are around 12 of age, when the Troupe members are in their 20s.
Remember when Wing told us Gon is like one in a million in terms of potential?
Well, troupe members are probably on par with that scale, but have at least 5 years if not 10 using their powers, improving them even. Gon and Killua probably have less than a year of learning about Nen (and other powers) and are noobs at it.
So even if they are extremely talented/gifted and learn fast, the writer was careful enough to balance that out with the troupe members having great powers too and experience.

It's probably one of the reasons the show/manga has been popular in the begining. Even if in the end the MC wins, he has to work his ass to be able to do so, he has to find ideas, grow strong.
Sure at times, he seems to be too gifted, grow too quickly, but always after hard work/thinking. Unlike traditional Shonen, Gon and his friends grow from multiple experiences and ideas. Not just sheer power, or because they are MCs. And even when it happens, since it's not that often, it's not even a problem.

[DarthEnderX]

It's not a plot hole. The medium doesn't have to provide a "logical explanation".That's actually the very definition of a plot hole.

"Gaps in a story where things happen without a logical reason."


Once again, "plot hole": the most overused and misused term in entertainment.It's actually not, you just think it is because you apparently don't know what the term "plot hole" means.

If you want to get technical, every mystery in a work qualifies as a plot hole until it's explained.

I'm sorry if you feel this means there's too many plot holes in entertainment, but it's not really up to you to define the term.


Because out of that same gun, she's been show to fire bullets that blow peoples brains out. They don't necessarily have a way of telling which is coming out, so they'd have to trust that she intends to do what she says.Another explanation might simply be that the bullet wouldn't make it through their Nen auras if they didn't suppress them.

[Splash!]

It's not a plot hole. The medium doesn't have to provide a "logical explanation". Although possible explanations are there if one cares to look hard enough.



That's actually the very definition of a plot hole. "Gaps in a story where things happen without a logical reason."

You do realize that "things happening without a logical reason" is not the same as not providing an explicit logical explanation for something that may be inferred implicitly from other information. Munsu's statement is consistent with your 'definition'.

There is enough information present in the story to come up with a logical explanation of why Chrollo would believe Pakunoda's mind reading wouldn't work on Hisoka and thus drop it from consideration(even if all of this went on inside his head). In particular, the Spiders have already acknowledged the chain user as an intelligent foe. It would not make sense to assume that your opponent (who you consider smart) would simply overlook Pakunoda's ability if told about it.

Was any of this explicitly laid out for the viewer? No, but that doesn't necessarily mean things happened "without a logical reason". The existence of even a single logical explanation (even if left unstated) that is consistent with the rest of the story prevents it from being a plot hole.

[Munsu]

What Spash! said.

[DarthEnderX]

No, but that doesn't necessarily mean things happened "without a logical reason". The existence of even a single logical explanation (even if left unstated) that is consistent with the rest of the story prevents it from being a plot hole.I don't believe it is if the viewer has to use facts not in evidence in order to arrive at said explanation.

[Splash!]

The only 2 facts you need to give a possible 'logical' explanation of why Chrollo didn't give Pakunoda's mind reading much thought are:
1. He believes Hisoka told the Chain User about Pakunoda's ability.
2. He does not believe the Chain User is an idiot

Neither of these are facts not in evidence.

[David75]

Do not wait for ep 57 this week since it will only air December 2.

[Kraco]

Do not wait for ep 57 this week since it will only air December 2.

Argh! I should neg rep you for bringing such bad news, but unfortunately I've never believed in shooting the messenger.

[shinta|hikari]

Too late, I already negged him for getting my hopes up with a fresh post.

[Archangel]

Fucking baseball

[MFauli]

wrong thread

[David75]

57 out.

Was quite enjoyable. At least even in a purely unrealistic shonen setting, they still try to come up with witty settings and do not think their audience are dumb (should they? this is a totally different subject)

[Kraco]

In my opinion the best part of this episode, or this exact point in the arc, was how a bunch of criminals, no matter how effective during their heists, naturally starts to fall apart when it comes to abstract matters like ideology, rules, trust, faithfulness, and such. Chrollo himself seemed to be the most out of it all, being the leader. Perhaps I was too harsh on these people earlier. Considering their desolate background (for most of them, I reckon), it would be no wonder if they thought the group the closest thing they have to a home. Chrollo must be too wicked not to realise it.

[Uchiha Barles]

I don't think he's too wicked to see that, it's just that he has his head on straight enough to realize that the home has to remain for its members. Most of the group does in fact.

[shinta|hikari]

The home is only as valuable as the people in it. It seems that Chrollo is the critical person in that home. I still wonder if any of them would willingly sacrifice their lives for Chrollo though. That would be far too soft, and out of character, particularly because no overarching ideology has been revealed that would drive the spiders so far.

[Kraco]

That's a difficult question to try to answer at this point. It's possible Pakunoda wouldn't have agreed to go alone to the meeting place if they didn't have the two hostages. So, she doesn't think she's risking unreasonably much at this point. Some members are sticking closer to Chrollo's own belief of them all being masters of their own fate, and thus they would only seek revenge afterwards. Since, in the end, they are all criminals, I'd certainly like to think they wouldn't sacrifice their own lives for Chrollo's sake. But it's quite natural some, like we saw, would want to bend the rules a bit to try to keep Chrollo alive.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm certainly expecting that the situations of their upbringing is going to be fleshed out more at some point to paint the Spiders as the more common "villains shaped by their tragic past".

[Munsu]

I'm certainly expecting that the situations of their upbringing is going to be fleshed out more at some point to paint the Spiders as the more common "villains shaped by their tragic past".

You think? Than hasn't been the pattern so far in this anime.

[MFauli]

Lightning fast, lightning reactions, smart ... and yet darkness is making them helpless?

I guess its nice that they´re giving us some sort of pseudo-plausible plan, but when we´ve seen them do all this fantastic, super-human stuff, it´s pretty unrealistic to believe that kind of approach.

[Munsu]

Lightning fast, lightning reactions, smart ... and yet darkness is making them helpless?

I guess its nice that they´re giving us some sort of pseudo-plausible plan, but when we´ve seen them do all this fantastic, super-human stuff, it´s pretty unrealistic to believe that kind of approach.

Helpless is an exaggerated description, they weren't in any shape or form helpless. This all occurred in a very short span of time while they were distracted and their opponents taking advantage of the slight visibility they had in the dark while the Spiders' eyes adjusted to the darkness, with the element of surprise going for them.

If they were helpless, Gon and Killua would've had no problem escaping, but they failed. They did do a good enough job to distract everyone so that Kurapica could pounce on his prey, and we've seen how efficient and effective Kurapica's chains are plenty of times to this point.

As it regards what we know of the world of Hunter X Hunter, I don't see anything to suggest that it was far fetched.

[shinta|hikari]

Yeah, the element of surprise and loss of sight gave Kurapica just a few seconds of time. I think the spiders were miles away from helpless.

[DarthEnderX]

I just assumed the whole thing happened in that .5 seconds Kurapica said he needed them distracted for.


You think? Than hasn't been the pattern so far in this anime.What other villains has the series actually had so far besides Killua's brother?

[Munsu]

I just assumed the whole thing happened in that .5 seconds Kurapica said he needed them distracted for.

What other villains has the series actually had so far besides Killua's brother?

Well, there's also Hisoka. I think we've seen the extent of what we'll be shown from them and their past. We've really not seen anything to the contrary with any character in the series, not even our heroes. I don't expect anything more than a few hints here, a few seconds of flashback there just like we've done until now.

But who knows, I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem to fit with the structure of this anime which is more present and dialogue oriented.

[Kraco]

But who knows, I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem to fit with the structure of this anime which is more present and dialogue oriented.

Which suits me perfectly. I'm not a flashback oriented person, although sometimes they can surprise me positively. If the past of a villain is somehow highly relevant to their actions in the present, then a good story will reveal the essential parts of it. But if it's not relevant or the past is not needed for specific, highly emotional scenes, then revelling in their origins is pretty much nothing but the author falling in love with their own characters or getting carried away.

[shinta|hikari]

Indeed. Fleshing out characters is only necessary if it explains or drives something that is currently happening to the story. Doing it needlessly is simply boring.

[MasterOfMoogles]

That one girl has killer abs!

[David75]

That one girl has killer abs!
Pectorals maybe? But you might be right, it's easier to get to the heart from below, no bones in the way.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm not a flashback oriented personReally? I love that stuff.

Especially in Naruto and One Piece. Where everything that's happening is a result of stuff people did before the series began, and everyone is motivated by a fucked up past.

[Munsu]

Really? I love that stuff.

Especially in Naruto and One Piece. Where everything that's happening is a result of stuff people did before the series began, and everyone is motivated by a fucked up past.

You don't need extensive flashbacks to accomplish that though... One Piece's ones, though nice to add to the world, it really hurts the pace of the series, and often drag. I doubt we'll see any of the sort with Hunter X Hunter.

[Carnage]

You don't need extensive flashbacks to accomplish that though... One Piece's ones, though nice to add to the world, it really hurts the pace of the series, and often drag. I doubt we'll see any of the sort with Hunter X Hunter.

Onepiece flashbacks were fine until the crew became 300 members large and now everyone and his mother has a flashback.

[DarthEnderX]

Onepiece flashbacks were fine until the crew became 300 members large and now everyone and his mother has a flashback.Are you talking about the original flashback for each character that actually shows their past for the first time, or are you referring to how they often do quick flashes of everyone's past now as like a montage all the time?

I can get it if you mean the latter, but I love it when One Piece just goes "Okay, we're going to spend the next 3 episodes showing you Robin's past that we haven't shown before."

New information flashbacks are awesome. Repeating flashbacks, not so much.

[MFauli]

Next up: GREED ISLAND!

Finally!

And lol @ 1.) throwing Sharlnak´s phone with full power, 2.) Hisoka being dumbfounded.

[Kraco]

2.) Hisoka being dumbfounded.

That was a good scene. He rarely gets surprised like that and show it so visibly on his face.

[shinta|hikari]

That was... amazing.

I was given enough reason to actually feel sad about Pakunoda dying without a sappy flashback. Excellent.

[MFauli]

That was... amazing.

I was given enough reason to actually feel sad about Pakunoda dying without a sappy flashback. Excellent.

Though I was wondering: Wouldn´t Kurapika´s chain judgement activate as soon as Pakunoda showed the intent of "talking"? Like, even before she pulled the trigger, she had decided to tell them all.

[shinta|hikari]

The rule was tied to the action, not the intent.

She had enough time to shoot those 6 bullets while her heart was crushed.

[Munsu]

Greed Island, here we come. Probably my favorite arc.

And I agree with the sentiments above about how Pakunoda was handled, as well as Hisoka.

[Archangel]

No Hisoka pelvic thrust...? :(

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/Logralim/GIFS/hisokapelvisthrustxo1.gif

[DarthEnderX]

Greed Island, here we come. Probably my favorite arc.I think that, of the arcs that were already adapted to Anime, this arc is actually my favorite.

That said, still looking forward to Greed Island again.

[Uchiha Barles]

Definitely missing the hipthrust nohomo. :(

This arc was definitely my favorite in all of shounen anime. Dark and brutal, and devoid of bullshit.

[Carnage]

My body is ready for GUREEDU IRANDO.

As unpopular as this opinion probably is, my favorite arc is actually the one following Greed Island, I wonder if they will actually animate it.

[Dark Dragon]

My body is ready for GUREEDU IRANDO.

As unpopular as this opinion probably is, my favorite arc is actually the one following Greed Island, I wonder if they will actually animate it.

I also thought that arc was very good. I think the constantly disruption/break during the arc hurts it more than anything else.

[Munsu]

I also thought that arc was very good. I think the constantly disruption/break during the arc hurts it more than anything else.

It featured some pace problems too, but we'll see once it gets animated, and I'm pretty sure it will since the arc is finished. But let's leave it at that since this has no bearing on the anime discussion at the moment.

[DarthEnderX]

As unpopular as this opinion probably is, my favorite arc is actually the one following Greed Island, I wonder if they will actually animate it.I haven't read it, but I can't imagine they wouldn't.

Why start the series over again if they were going to stop in the same place the last one stopped?

[Carnage]

It becomes very graphic, and will require a lot of censorship if its going to be aired for a childrens' broadcast time.

I'll end it at that though in light of Munsu's post.

[MFauli]

If the new anime stops after Greed Island, I hope the whole production staff dies of super aids :/

[Munsu]

If it does stop, I hope they seriously have plans for OVAs, or as mentioned, maybe a different broadcast time.

That said, the arc that recently finished had its fair share of graphic violence, so don't know if that would be much of an issue.

[deathnightwc3]

I must say, after having watched all of this arc now, I liked it quite a bit. Dunno why I didn't like the original one.

[enkoujin]

59 is up!




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Haha, just enjoying seeing Hisoka in the OP.

[Munsu]

I have to say, I laughed a few times in this episode.

[Kraco]

Gon isn't blessed with too impressive thinking faculties. It's a good thing he has friends who don't mind.

[shinta|hikari]

He has absurd instincts that make up for it. His friends capitalize on that.

[MFauli]

good episode, and the most enjoyable anime this seasons by far.

And damn, I´d love to play a MMORPG based on Greed Island. Have it play similarly to Monster Hunter, but more movement-based than attack-based, and there you go. Will never happen, of course :/

[David75]

Somehow Ging's message weakens any fear of Gon's in game death. Not good for audience angst moments.
Of course, he's the MC so he will always overcome great trials in the end. But that message killed any doubt even before that.

[shinta|hikari]

Is the soundtrack for this show the same as the original?

It is quite epic, especially the track used during build up scenes.

[DarthEnderX]

Oh boy! Yugioh!

[Archangel]

Oh boy! Yugioh!
Not even close, more like SAO done right.

[MFauli]

Not even close, more like SAO done right.


More like BTOOOM done right.

[neflight86]

You know, if it weren't for the constantly high quality of this series's narrative since the beginning, I would doubt such comments as "X done right"... but I'm inclined to be optimistic.

[DarthEnderX]

Not even close, more like SAO done right.

More like BTOOOM done right.I don't know what either of those are.

[Archangel]

I don't know what either of those are.
Do you even lift?

[Munsu]

Looks like there'll be no episode this week.

[Penner]

61 is out! Go go go!

Awww, Gon & Killua, bro's for life!

[Uchiha Barles]

No one can come between that bromance. That cute little girl looks like she's going to try though.

[Penner]

Dat look Kil gave the guy when he cast trace on him. Fucking chills man.

[Archangel]

I love biscuits <3

[MFauli]

[No links to ep download please]
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what the heck ... i got teary eyes watching Gon at this episode´s end when he kept staring at Biscuit with such innocence and curiosity. Damn do I love this main character. Best shounen series, and yes, I´m repeating myself.

[Kraco]

Killua was acting more like a boy his age, mouthing off to her. But then again, Killua had a cyborg for a mother, Gon the angelic Mito, so I guess that explains how Gon might be naturally more prone to listen to advice from females.

[Uchiha Barles]

I'm with Killua on this. Sometimes, without even doing anything, people just rub you the wrong way. That hair, those eyes, that outfit, you just feel that you'd better stay away from her lest you end up with a clingy, naggy, high pitched whiny pet following you around.

[Archangel]

I'm actually a huge cocksucking faggot

Why yes i do agree that Biscuit is lovely.

[MFauli]

lol, why so angry, Arch.

[Uchiha Barles]

Goddamn, by that response one would think you're fucking her.

[Carnage]

Never insult Arch's collection of 2D-nonpigdisgusting waifus.

[DarthEnderX]

lol, why so angry, Arch.He's a lolicon.

[Archangel]

My face when ya'll try to troll me

http://i.imgur.com/UuI9H.jpg

:3

[Carnage]

They're really cramming much less content into the episodes these days...

[Archangel]

They're really cramming much less content into the episodes these days...
I don't think they've skipped a single manga page so far

[Carnage]

I don't think they've skipped a single manga page so far

No I meant they're stretching out the content they've been using; the pace is a lot slower.

[enkoujin]

63 is out!

[MFauli]

I didnt enjoy this episode, and I didn´t in the original anime, either. Binolt´s story is just too sad :/ And it feels so wrong how he´s used as Gon´s/Killua´s punching bag. Poor guy trained hard all his life, just to be overpowered by two geniuses within a day.

Sure, since our heroes are always going up agains much more powerful enemies, that´s okay for the overall plot. But if you think about it ... it´s like having a series where all heroes are like Sasuke :|

[Uchiha Barles]

I didnt enjoy this episode, and I didn´t in the original anime, either. Binolt´s story is just too sad :/ And it feels so wrong how he´s used as Gon´s/Killua´s punching bag. Poor guy trained hard all his life, just to be overpowered by two geniuses within a day.

Sure, since our heroes are always going up agains much more powerful enemies, that´s okay for the overall plot. But if you think about it ... it´s like having a series where all heroes are like Sasuke :|


He was a vicious murderer and his way of life was eating at him a great deal. His fight against Gon, Killua, and Bisuke, and the subsequent mercy they showed him set him on the path to peace of mind, perhaps even redemption. The silver lining is there if you want to see it.

[Archangel]

This episode's animation looked like ass.

Didn't care for Benolt's voice actor either, not remotely as good as the original.

[DarthEnderX]

And it feels so wrong how he´s used as Gon´s/Killua´s punching bag.Better than being killed by Bisky, which is what would have happened if she hadn't had a use for him.

[Kraco]

This episode was just fine in my opinion. It also explained why Wing was how he was: Bisuke is totally ruthless, so it makes sense some of her pupils would turn out opposites to that.

[Penner]

New ep is out.

[Kraco]

Biscuit kicks ass as a trainer, at least for these two as they don't seem to mind her training regimen that would leave Spartans and Prussians gasping for breath. It was thus all the more funny when they weren't satisfied with neither losing the number game, and proceeded to solve it with rock-paper-scissors, leaving even Biscuit herself speechless. No wonder Biscuit is enjoying this as well. After all, these two must indeed be like unpolished jewels compared to somebody like Wing. I'm pretty sure Wing would have broken a long time ago if he had faced training this intensive.

[enkoujin]

65 is out!

[Buffalobiian]

Damn, being a Killua fan, it sucked years ago to see him being pulled away from the scene just to redo the exam.. and I feel exactly the same watching this again now.

I've got to revise my Nen terminology. It was easy to grasp when AnimeOne translated moves and stuff. Now we have to remember what Kagebunshin no Jutsu means.

[MFauli]

Kinda filler episode. Well, no, still nice to watch, but no focus on a single plot develpment, rather an overview of all things going on currently.


Now we have to remember what Kagebunshin no Jutsu means.

It means Shadow Clone Technique

[Archangel]

Now we have to remember what Kagebunshin no Jutsu means.
Eh? What terminology did you find hard to grasp?

[Buffalobiian]

Eh? What terminology did you find hard to grasp?

Just remembering the function of various names.. eg Zetsu (I think), Ga-something (the eye one), and then the resultant combinations and stuff. It helps when they show the kanji when they introduce it, but I have to try to keep that in mind.. which doesn't always happen.

[Archangel]

Zetsu means eliminating one's aura, Gyo is focusing your aura somewhere ( usually in your eyes so you can actually see nen ).

It's pretty basic, you'll get the hang of it eventually i think.

[Buffalobiian]

Zetsu means eliminating one's aura, Gyo is focusing your aura somewhere ( usually in your eyes so you can actually see nen ).

It's pretty basic, you'll get the hang of it eventually i think.

Yeah, I remembered them pretty well a few years back when I marathoned the original series. This probably wouldn't have happened if I didn't skip the tower arc with Wing.

[DarthEnderX]

Mmm, Phantom Troupe, coming to play!

Gon needs to get that Hadoken of his working.


I'm with Buff, the sheer number of terms they like to throw at us is pretty daunting. Last week's episode with Biscuit reminded me a lot of a couple of Wing's episodes because they try and introduce too much stuff at once.

"Sometime, you direct your energy to one body part. That's called X. And when you do that in response to an attack, that's called Y. But sometimes, you only send SOME energy to one part while keeping the rest of your body covered. That's called Z. And sometimes you send your aura into an object. That's W!"

[Penner]

66 is out!

Btw, anyone got any idea how long this show is gonna be? Like, are they aiming for a certain ep count, or just sort of go on like One Piece etc until they feel like quitting or it doesn't earn enough money? :P

[Buffalobiian]

No idea, but it better go for at least 2+ arcs after Greed Island >_>

[Munsu]

Yeah, I remembered them pretty well a few years back when I marathoned the original series. This probably wouldn't have happened if I didn't skip the tower arc with Wing.

You skipped the tower arc? Why? Tell me at least you watched the Hisoka vs. Gon fight, it was awesome.

[Archangel]

66 is out!

Btw, anyone got any idea how long this show is gonna be? Like, are they aiming for a certain ep count, or just sort of go on like One Piece etc until they feel like quitting or it doesn't earn enough money? :P

Usual popular battle shounen formula, it''l go as long as it goes.

[MFauli]

If they cancel/stop producing this anime after the Greed Island arc, they should all be written in some Death Note ...

@episode: Nice as always, buuuut I wondered: Can this actually be legitimate what Killua did? I mean ... what if somebody did that at the start of the previous exam? What if it´d always happen? Would lead the whole exam-concept ad absurdum.

[Munsu]

Biscuit's facial expressions on this episode were awesome.

[David75]

If they cancel/stop producing this anime after the Greed Island arc, they should all be written in some Death Note ...

@episode: Nice as always, buuuut I wondered: Can this actually be legitimate what Killua did? I mean ... what if somebody did that at the start of the previous exam? What if it´d always happen? Would lead the whole exam-concept ad absurdum.

I guess all participants except Killua really were weak compared to some monsters Gon and Killua faced in the previous exam.

[Buffalobiian]

You skipped the tower arc? Why? Tell me at least you watched the Hisoka vs. Gon fight, it was awesome.

I was planning on skipping everything from start to GI, but I got bored and started watching a few weeks ago. I already downloaded Ep44 last night after reading that it was awesome. I'm going to guess it's the fight you're talking about.

[DarthEnderX]

No idea, but it better go for at least 2+ arcs after Greed Island >_>My understanding is only one arc after Greed Island is even finished in the manga.

If it's long enough, they might be able to finish a second, but I dunno man...

[Splash!]

I was planning on skipping everything from start to GI, but I got bored and started watching a few weeks ago. I already downloaded Ep44 last night after reading that it was awesome. I'm going to guess it's the fight you're talking about.

Episode 44 is the fight between Uvogin and the Shadow Beasts. Gon vs Hisoka is Eps. 35-36

[Buffalobiian]

Hmm, thanks for the info guys. I've started watching the episodes from roughly when Gon leaves Wing, since Kurapika is arguably my favourite character (aside from Killua and Hisoka).

I'm currently just up to where Phantoms are all getting their own prophecies, and from what I've seen so far this adaptation is probably better than the original. Hisoka's not the same anymore, but they still manage to effectively give him his boner-moments when needed.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 67 is out!!














Razor sighted! I can smell the end of this arc..

[Kraco]

I think I also sighted this show's idea of fanservice at the very end of the preview: Naked Hisoka...

But yeah, the arc's speeding up.

[David75]

Boring ep

[Penner]

Boring ep

Atleast it had Redhead McBoobs to keep me entertained ^_^

[MFauli]

Upcoming episode(s) will be truly epic. One of my favorite parts of Greed Island.

[Buffalobiian]

Atleast it had Redhead McBoobs to keep me entertained ^_^

No love for the fringe girl in the light dress?

That soft-spoken, knowledgeable look!

[DarthEnderX]

No love for the fringe girl in the light dress?

That soft-spoken, knowledgeable look!That 12 year old, girl from The Ring look? No thanks.

[MFauli]

That 12 year old, girl from The Ring look? No thanks.

Woah, hey now, let him have his fantasies :>

[Buffalobiian]

That 12 year old, girl from The Ring look? No thanks.

Oh, screw you guys. (just looked up The Ring)

Now her dress looks like a surgical gown. :(

[Penner]

My personal favorite though, is Shizuku <3

1461

[Archangel]

Episode 67 is out!!














Razor sighted! I can smell the end of this arc..
Still a good 30 chapters left before the end.

[DarthEnderX]

(just looked up The Ring)STOP MAKING ME FEEL OLD!

[enkoujin]

I wonder who the naked guy in the preview is. :)

[Carnage]

I take back what I said about the pace, they're really picking it up again. It consuming ~2.5-3 chapter per episode, so I wouldn't be surprised if the arc finishes in 10.

[Archangel]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-20/hunter-x-hunter-anime-to-air-chimera-ant-arc

yay~

[LaZie]

Best news ever.

[Buffalobiian]

That announcement talks about some movie as well. For those that read the manga, does that movie description suggest to you that it'll be about the Chairman arc?

[DarthEnderX]

That next arc sounds weird...

[Buffalobiian]

That next arc sounds weird...

Makes me think that they run into a giant ant colony or something.

[Carnage]

That announcement talks about some movie as well. For those that read the manga, does that movie description suggest to you that it'll be about the Chairman arc?

No it sounds more like their own invention.

The Chimera Ant arc is hit or miss, either you love it or hate it.

[DarthEnderX]

Makes me think that they run into a giant ant colony or something.I assumed Chimera Ant was some kind of organization. Like The Spiders.

[DarthEnderX]

Heh, Hisoka's male gaze, still one of the funniest moments ever.

[Buffalobiian]

Boring ep

Wait till you see this one (ep 68). :(

[Kraco]

Biscuit sure took in an eyeful before she remembered her role.

As always, Killua is overanalysing the situation, whereas Gon isn't analysing it at all.

[Buffalobiian]

Biscuit sure took in an eyeful before she remembered her role.

As always, Killua is overanalysing the situation, whereas Gon isn't analysing it at all.

Overanalysing?

He's totally on the right track. Hisoka's just throwing him off with his Gum Texture move.

[Kraco]

He's totally on the right track. Hisoka's just throwing him off with his Gum Texture move.

Of course he is. But does it matter? They know by now that Hisoka isn't even a member of the spiders and is only looking for tough fights. Gon, Killua & Co, on the other hand, are looking for fighters for a tough fight. So, if the pieces already fit together like two blocks of lego, what use is Killua's analysation at all? That's why I called it overanalysing.

[Buffalobiian]

Know yourself and know your enemy. The current crew is looking for members who won't backstab them. Killua's trying to understand things in order to predict such events and prepare his friends for when it happens.

Overanalysing to me is synonymous with overthinking. It's not "over-" unless you wrongly predicted them by giving them too much credit (or not enough, depending on how you look at it). Hisoka's the one with the upper hand here.

[Kraco]

Overanalysing to me is synonymous with overthinking. It's not "over-" unless you wrongly predicted them by giving them too much credit (or not enough, depending on how you look at it). Hisoka's the one with the upper hand here.

It's "over-" also when it prevents you from acting. If this all had been up to Killua, he might have dropped the idea of trying to cooperate with Hisoka because of too many unknowns and risks. Hisoka is an exceptionally simple character to understand, but that also means exceptionally easy to overanalyse unnecessarily.

[Archangel]

http://i.imgur.com/ZthMoCh.gif

Subtle.

[Carnage]

Hisoka is an exceptionally simple character to understand, but that also means exceptionally easy to overanalyse unnecessarily.

What? He singlehandedly fooled the number #1 criminal organization in the world, why wouldn't Killua be suspicious of his motives? Its not like he's had access to Hisoka's thoughts unlike the viewers, he's spent maybe a total of a few minutes speaking to the guy this entire show.

[DarthEnderX]

Know yourself and know your enemy. The current crew is looking for members who won't backstab them.I don't think him backstabbing them is what they're concerned with.

What they care about is him succeeding in his mission to restore Chrollo. If they thought that was going to happen, they'd probably try and stop him instead of teaming up with him.

[Kraco]

What they care about is him succeeding in his mission to restore Chrollo. If they thought that was going to happen, they'd probably try and stop him instead of teaming up with him.

They know that's his goal. So, the only relevant decision for them was to either avoid him (since they can't really stop him with their current level of power) or cooperate with him nevertheless to advance their own goal of finding strong fighters for the quest. They chose the latter. So, anything after that initial decision is overanalysing. Or second-guessing, if you prefer an even lamer description.

Sure, they don't know everything about Hisoka, but they should know the single truth that he's a man always ready to enjoy a good fight, regardless of morals.

[Buffalobiian]

They know that's his goal.

Who knows.

All they do know, is that he's lying.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 69 is out! (and it's way too short :( )

[Kraco]

Gon's old man sure has nice friends: When they realise they are facing Ging's son, they are filled with murderous intent.

[MFauli]

One of the best events in the series. Dodgeball!

SO looking forward to next episode.

btw i dont know a source, lol, but apparently it has been confirmed that the new anime will cover the Chimera-arc that follows Greed Island. So it definitely won´t stop as early as the old anime.

YAY!

[Buffalobiian]

Like... this source? (http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php/20191-Hunter-x-Hunter-2011?p=526335&viewfull=1#post526335)

[enkoujin]

Episode 70 is out! (1080p and 480p versions as of now anyway)

[Kraco]

Killua won't be shaking hands again any time soon. Clapping is totally out of the question.

[Buffalobiian]

Damn, this was too short, once again.

I was thinking that the first punch didn't have much feeling behind it as I remembered. Then they brought out the real one, and I wondered why I even doubted that this would under-deliver.

[Archangel]

How the hell is that ball still intact?

[David75]

How the hell is that ball still intact?

some kind of protective aura Gon inputs to use it as a container for his energy attack?

[Archangel]

Magiks

Yeah, ok.

[David75]

Or Razor did reinforce the ball, like every monster in the show do with their powers... Magiks yup

[Penner]

God damnit these eps fly by way too fast!

Looks like a little Razor backstory with Ging coming up, sweeet!

[Buffalobiian]

How the hell is that ball still intact?

Same reason Greed Island consoles are invulnerable.

Nen.

[enkoujin]

Same reason Greed Island consoles are invulnerable.

Nen.

Or it could be a high density ball (no air inside) and the law of conservation of mass (mass cannot be created or destroyed) still applies to this show. :)

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 71 is out!




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I don't feel like I remember anything about the fight between Gon/Bomber or what Phantom got up to from here on.. so this pretty much marks the start of "new" material for me. :)

Maybe I remembered the Razor finale too vividly, so it didn't have too much impact in the end.

[MFauli]

Don´t remember the Bomber-fight, too, though I remember the Greed Island-end.

To be honest, the Bomber, or rather Genthru, always felt rather random to me. Just why is he that strong in active battle? And he has no direct relation to Gon, not even any build up. Though, of course, all that is excused by the fact that this Greed Island-arc isn´t really about defeating this villain. It´s about Ging´s game.

[Buffalobiian]

Bomber's the main force that's forcing others to band together and complete the game now that he's close to accomplishing it. I don't know if there is a limit on how many people can complete the game and what happens afterwards, so I'm not really sure what all the rush is about. If someone is hogging the cards, I'd let them have it. They can complete the game and the cards to back into system for the next player who wants to complete the game.

[DarthEnderX]

Heh, I also remembered Razor as the climax of this arc, even though I totally remembered them fighting Bomber's team. I guess I assumed the Bomber fight was before they got Razor's card.


Bomber's the main force that's forcing others to band together and complete the game now that he's close to accomplishing it. I don't know if there is a limit on how many people can complete the game and what happens afterwards, so I'm not really sure what all the rush is about. If someone is hogging the cards, I'd let them have it. They can complete the game and the cards to back into system for the next player who wants to complete the game.I think it's just safe to assume that the game ends once someone wins.

Otherwise, once it's been figured out, seems like it'd be pretty easy for people afterwards to clear it(although, granted, you'd have to be at least as strong as Razor to get his card).

[Buffalobiian]

I think the first run had more gore and damage, which made their win all the better in that depiction.

Hisoka's catch was done better here, but the aftermath in the OVA showed his fingers being completely mangled from that catch. Razor was also shown to have the soles of his shoes completely vaporised from the friction against the bungee-ball.

Too bad Killua's healing for 3 weeks. Gon's ahead of him power-wise (he always will be), and his fists are already an offensive application of his power, so I'm dying to see Killua finally be able to use his electricity in his attacks against opponents.


I think it's just safe to assume that the game ends once someone wins.

The only problem with that line of thought is that Gin must have thought nobody could clear the game before his son came along. If that's the case, that's pretty arrogant. Gon's talent is rare, but it's not farfetched to think that someone else could also do it. Was Gin without peer in his generation?

Or are you saying that when the game is cleared, everyone must start from zero again?

[Archangel]

I never played dodgeball, can anyone explain why Razor couldn't just dodge Gon's ball? Was it because of its speed or of a rule in the game?

I'm also not sure why they can't log out while they wait for them to heal.

[Munsu]

Too much talking about future events, even spoiling some things. Please stop.




I never played dodgeball, can anyone explain why Razor couldn't just dodge Gon's ball? Was it because of its speed or of a rule in the game?

I'm also not sure why they can't log out while they wait for them to heal.

I'm pretty sure that once he realized how powerful it was, it was too late for him to dodge the ball.

[DarthEnderX]

The only problem with that line of thought is that Gin must have thought nobody could clear the game before his son came along. If that's the case, that's pretty arrogant. Gon's talent is rare, but it's not farfetched to think that someone else could also do it. Was Gin without peer in his generation?Personally, I don't think Ging cares if Gon is the one that beats the game or not. It's there to train him and for him to have fun. Not for him to earn prizes.


I'm also not sure why they can't log out while they wait for them to heal.Good point.

[Archangel]

Talk about your unnecessary double posts...


Good point.

I'm not 100% on this though, there was a rule where your binder's extra slots got deleted if you got out right? That would mean they'd be out of spell cards once they came back. There might also be other factors involved that i'm not seeing, HxH doesn't tend to have these kind of plot holes.

[Buffalobiian]

Personally, I don't think Ging cares if Gon is the one that beats the game or not. It's there to train him and for him to have fun. Not for him to earn prizes.

See, if the idea is that Gon gets to play this game, then you have to count on the game not being cleared during the time Gon takes to grow up. According to your own theory, the game finishes once someone clears it.

Gin would have been 100% sure on no one being able to clear it before Gon's arrival.


I never played dodgeball, can anyone explain why Razor couldn't just dodge Gon's ball? Was it because of its speed or of a rule in the game?

When Gon fired his first shot, Bisky suggested to Razor that perhaps he should dodge Gon's ball since it's pretty strong. He said she must be kidding. He believes in his own abilities to the point where his pride forbids him from dodging.

[DarthEnderX]

See, if the idea is that Gon gets to play this game, then you have to count on the game not being cleared during the time Gon takes to grow up. According to your own theory, the game finishes once someone clears it.

Gin would have been 100% sure on no one being able to clear it before Gon's arrival.I don't think that's the case at all.

Ging strikes me more as the "If my son isn't good enough to find the game and find his way inside before someone beats it, then he wasn't good enough to play it in the first place." type.

[Carnage]

The only problem with that line of thought is that Gin must have thought nobody could clear the game before his son came along. If that's the case, that's pretty arrogant. Gon's talent is rare, but it's not farfetched to think that someone else could also do it. Was Gin without peer in his generation?

Or are you saying that when the game is cleared, everyone must start from zero again?

Gon really is a special case. They had a team consisting of Gon, Killua, Hisoka, and a one-star hunter, and barely managed to stay alive. I dont think its that farfetched to imagine that 10-15 years would go by with no winners.

Also remember, when bisky told Razor to dodge, that serve wasn't nearly as powerful as the one in this episode. It is very well possible Razor couldn't have dodged it had he wanted to.

As far as the build up to Genthru, I feel like this is the only thing thats been done better in the manga this arc.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 72 is out!!

[DarthEnderX]

The most boring game of tag ever!

Hurry up with that Hadoken Gon.

[MFauli]

Cant remember this outside-the-game confrontation at all.

And stop being so polize, Tzegerra! Just punch this wooden door wide open, you fool. I mean, clearly Battera is being manipulated. But no, let´s not check up on him. sigh

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 73 is out!

[Harima Kenji]

I can't believe the pacing of this fight compared to the previous series.. no boring moment.
Funny that even though I know what's going to happen, I can't wait to see the next few episodes. (not to mention that after GI 'new' stuff comes along)

[Archangel]

I never got this part in the old show either, why didn't Biscuit just kick the Bomber's ass herself?

[MFauli]

I never got this part in the old show either, why didn't Biscuit just kick the Bomber's ass herself?

Thats what I was going to complain about.

It´s still nice watching it, BUT there´s absolutely no tension, no moment of fear involved in these fights. Well, except for Gon´s.

The plan of their´s makes no sense. Had Bisuke fought Genthru, Gon would have had about as much problems with the black-haired guy as Killua had with his opponent. And Genthru would have stood no chance against Bisuke. Safe victory. Instead, they make this confrontation artificially dangerous by having Gon fight the boss.
Though I´d also like to complain about Genthru´s comrads being complete wusses. Do you want to tell me that there are no other nen-users inside Greed Island that could match their strength? But Gon and Killua can? Come on.

Still enjoying it all, but this battle is kinda forced in ways.

[Buffalobiian]

Perhaps she knew Bomber would take on Gon since Gon challenged him earlier. They wanted to separate them out because as a team, Team Gon was weaker - divide and conquer. The idea was for Killua and Bisuit to take on the weaker guys and win (the weaker guys would take on Killua because he was still injured, and Bisky because she was tasty). Gon was supposed to lure Bomber into a trap right? I won't remember if the trap involved Biscuit and Killua's involvement at all.

I really enjoyed the soundtrack that played while Killua toyed with his prey. He's definitely in my triad of favourite HxH characters.

[Kraco]

Though I´d also like to complain about Genthru´s comrads being complete wusses. Do you want to tell me that there are no other nen-users inside Greed Island that could match their strength? But Gon and Killua can? Come on.


As if a villain like Genthru would keep around lackeys even remote as strong as he is. He needs his comrades both weaker and stupider than he is because they are all greedy backstabbing bastards.

[Penner]

Dat UberBiscuit lol

Just how powerful is she when using her full strenght? o.O

[Carnage]

Weak? The black haired guy took a punch to the face from Bisky and survived. The red haired dude took a 50 kg yoyo to the back of the head and remained conscious....

Bisky may also want this to be a learning experience for Gon.

[Buffalobiian]

Anyone ever tried carrying 100kgs in their pockets? Cuz that's what Killua must be doing all the time.

Just say'n. ;)

[Belial]

Bisky just didn't want to transform in front of Killua and Gon

[Uchiha Barles]

As if a villain like Genthru would keep around lackeys even remote as strong as he is. He needs his comrades both weaker and stupider than he is because they are all greedy backstabbing bastards.

What? Nuh uh. I mean, sure they'll backstab people, but probably not each other. They've shown significant care for each other when they had that argument about who should use the risky dice. They get to speak their minds freely too, so the relationship seems more amicable than that. Them being weaker than Genthru is probably their own fault.

[Archangel]

Dat UberBiscuit lol

Just how powerful is she when using her full strenght? o.O
There's a power level page somewhere around the internet ( official ) and it set her pretty high. I think she was just a little behind the president.

[Carnage]

There's a power level page somewhere around the internet ( official ) and it set her pretty high. I think she was just a little behind the president.

All things considered I think that powerlevel chart simply measured the extent to which each character mastered the six special abilities or something along those lines. Because it placed several characters fairly close to uh, lets say ridiculously strong characters.

I think its probably best to compare characters to the troupe, or the Zoldeycks. Comparing anything to the chairman isn't really fair.

[Kraco]

What? Nuh uh. I mean, sure they'll backstab people, but probably not each other. They've shown significant care for each other when they had that argument about who should use the risky dice. They get to speak their minds freely too, so the relationship seems more amicable than that. Them being weaker than Genthru is probably their own fault.

They can appear like that precisely because there is a difference in power and wits between the stooges and Genthru. As it is, they can act quite freely and in amiable manner within their group because the setting is fixed and unambiguous. Probably Genthru can even count on the two dudes not having too big ambitions to try and reach his level. Right now Genthru gets two "friends" to spend time with, formulate more complex plots with, and with whom he can laugh at their victims. The two followers probably got much of their training from Genthru and with him they are sure to be able to pursuit loftier goals than alone. So, both sides benefit. But if they were all at the same level, they would constantly need to wonder how long one party needs the others or if the others are planning to backstab to claim it all. Because of the similar level of power, they couldn't help but worry as a fight could end any way. Now, however, the lackeys know they would lose, so they wouldn't normally even dream of trying, and instead concentrate on helping Genthru.

[David75]

Gon has had strong help when needed to learn and hone his skills. Biscuit probably is part of a plan to have Gon grow in an incredibly powerful monster. Biscuit judged Gon has enough skills to survive Genthru, and the angel breath is probably a failsafe to have Gon survive just in case something goes wrong, like shit happens even when you're strong enough.

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 74 is out!!

[MFauli]

Kinda cheap that Gon could just heal his hand like that. Took away from the gruesomeness of it.

Also, not killing Genthru is pure bs. Wonder if they at least hand him over to ... well, the nen-police, lol.

finally getting to the end of greed island. should be fun.

[David75]

Kinda cheap that Gon could just heal his hand like that. Took away from the gruesomeness of it.

Also, not killing Genthru is pure bs. Wonder if they at least hand him over to ... well, the nen-police, lol.

finally getting to the end of greed island. should be fun.

Well, ever since we knew about that card's powers, it was obvious there was room for higher bets.
Regarding that card, I guess asking it :"Please heal everyone around us" or the like would not work?
I know they have to get rid of the excess of such cards, but it was really a waste they didn't even explain why that would not work.
I guess it only works on 1 player at a time then.

[Kraco]

Also, not killing Genthru is pure bs. Wonder if they at least hand him over to ... well, the nen-police, lol.


They aren't any goody two-shoes boy scouts wanting to right all the wrongs in the world. They are neutral and always doing what they want to do personally, getting stronger in the process. That's a good thing about them. Sure, very often they end up fighting the bad guys, but that's natural since bad guys themselves end up fighting anyway, including other bad guys, not only heroes. Gon simply has a few principles he honours, but that's it. Otherwise his only goal is to meet his old man and hang around with his friends. It's quite refreshing shounen wise that he's not there to judge people like Genthru, jamming his own values down everybody else's throats.

[MFauli]

They aren't any goody two-shoes boy scouts wanting to right all the wrongs in the world. They are neutral and always doing what they want to do personally, getting stronger in the process. That's a good thing about them. Sure, very often they end up fighting the bad guys, but that's natural since bad guys themselves end up fighting anyway, including other bad guys, not only heroes. Gon simply has a few principles he honours, but that's it. Otherwise his only goal is to meet his old man and hang around with his friends. It's quite refreshing shounen wise that he's not there to judge people like Genthru, jamming his own values down everybody else's throats.

... no, still doesn´t make sense to me, sorry.

[Archangel]

Next week is GI's last episode...

http://i.imgur.com/fQfc8Ij.gif

[Carnage]

It's quite refreshing shounen wise that he's not there to judge people like Genthru, jamming his own values down everybody else's throats.

It is refreshing and does make the story unique, but sometimes its also silly. Judging a man who went around slaughtering players in a game that wasn't explicitly made to be played that way isn't very controversial.

Also, Togashi slips up on the neutrality bit from time to time. I can recall Gon asking Chrollo how he can emotionlessly kill people he doesn't know. A story where the protagonist is actually neutral rather than leaning towards good would seem sociopathic.

[Kraco]

Also, Togashi slips up on the neutrality bit from time to time. I can recall Gon asking Chrollo how he can emotionlessly kill people he doesn't know. A story where the protagonist is actually neutral rather than leaning towards good would seem sociopathic.

Indeed. It's only more believable he occasionally slips and is not robotic about it. It's not like Gon himself could ever go around killing people summarily for his own benefit. He has his definite values, so it's natural he would every now and then question other people. But he hasn't made his life's mission to convert everybody to his own way of thinking and believing.

[Archangel]

It is refreshing and does make the story unique, but sometimes its also silly. Judging a man who went around slaughtering players in a game that wasn't explicitly made to be played that way isn't very controversial.

Also, Togashi slips up on the neutrality bit from time to time. I can recall Gon asking Chrollo how he can emotionlessly kill people he doesn't know. A story where the protagonist is actually neutral rather than leaning towards good would seem sociopathic.
It's not like Gon approves of murder, he just didn't want to sink to Genthru's level. I don't see how his attitude towards Chrollo and here differ in any way.

[Uchiha Barles]

Gon and Killua acknowledged that Greed Island is a game where it is implicit that you will be putting your life on the line. When you come into that game, you expect that you will be confronted with life or death situations. Killua contrasted that to the assassinations he performed in which his victims were not expecting to die or willing to put their lives on the line. Also, take into account Gon's attitude towards people trying to kill him. He does not hold it against his opponent. Gon's only anger issues with Genthru in that fight was that Genthru refused to use his ability initially, and that he went back on his word. Otherwise, his attitude towards Genthru would be more like "Well, if we fight, one of us may die. This is the nature of fighting, no hard feelings. But in the case I win yet you live, I will heal you. that's just who I am."

Also, last time I watched this, I didn't realize how close Gon came to winning that fight without resorting to the plan. Genthru got lucky in that he tripped over the rock and avoided the attack.

[Carnage]

Indeed. It's only more believable he occasionally slips and is not robotic about it. It's not like Gon himself could ever go around killing people summarily for his own benefit. He has his definite values, so it's natural he would every now and then question other people. But he hasn't made his life's mission to convert everybody to his own way of thinking and believing.

Yeah I think that's the best way to put it.


It's not like Gon approves of murder, he just didn't want to sink to Genthru's level. I don't see how his attitude towards Chrollo and here differ in any way.

Im not saying they're different, I am agreeing Gon doesn't approve of murder.


Gon and Killua acknowledged that Greed Island is a game where it is implicit that you will be putting your life on the line. When you come into that game, you expect that you will be confronted with life or death situations. Killua contrasted that to the assassinations he performed in which his victims were not expecting to die or willing to put their lives on the line. Also, take into account Gon's attitude towards people trying to kill him. He does not hold it against his opponent. Gon's only anger issues with Genthru in that fight was that Genthru refused to use his ability initially, and that he went back on his word. .

Did you watch the beginning of the arc? After hearing about the bomber Gon was blatantly upset that someone had turned his father's game into a killing competition. Its a little different than risking your life fighting the monsters and events.

[DarthEnderX]

Did you watch the beginning of the arc? After hearing about the bomber Gon was blatantly upset that someone had turned his father's game into a killing competition. Its a little different than risking your life fighting the monsters and events.I feel like maybe that was his feelings only in the beginning when he didn't actually know any better. Round about the time he was fighting Razor in a game of Deathball he probably realized that "Oh, dad hired Death Row inmates to kill anyone that tries to actually win this game, I guess he really DID design this place as a giant murder machine."

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 75 is out!!

[Carnage]

I wonder if Togashi had any idea when he made that anagram.

[MFauli]

I´m so giddy right now. Finally, we´re getting past the Greed Island in anime-form! OMG, dat preview!!!1

But let´s stay where we are for a moment. Greed Island is such a fantastic arc. What I just thought about, was, that the whole goal of the game is a really peaceful one. "Gather all cards" is all. Think about that. What video games have such peaceful goals? Look at World of Warcraft or other grand titles, it´s all about defeating evil. HXH manages to tell an exciting story DESPITE a seemingly lame outlook.

Anyway, I´m too stoked for next week :o
Now it´s a real contest: HXH or Shingeki no Kyojin, what will be best! :D