Hunter x Hunter 2011

[Archangel]

Yeah, a recap episode.

http://i.imgur.com/cQ1wk.jpg

They have like 300 fucking chapter of material...

[Penner]

I guess kids these days are so retarded that they need an entire recap episode every 13 eps or so >_>

[Carnage]

Does japan air reruns? If they dont, maybe its for kids who've missed a week or two.

[Harima Kenji]

This is very sad indeed. It's not like that much has happened that is very important..

[Kraco]

These recaps must be a sign of a high episode count. Though I wish they instead used the minutes for a more reasonable pace here and there.

Japan's population is aging rapidly. Maybe these recaps are necessary for all the demented people among the audience...

[Penner]

Episode 27 aired!






Man, this arena arc(or is it just a few eps?) looks like it's going to be fucking awesome!

[Archangel]

Reused animation and the same song? :(

[MFauli]

Really like the tower-arc. Zushi is an awesome character, too bad that Killua and Gon have main character-shield.

[Kraco]

I like the girl characters in this show, so cute and energetic. Though no doubt it's also the rarity.


Zushi is an awesome character, too bad that Killua and Gon have main character-shield.

Zushi is only one in a hundred thousand talent. Killua and Gon are one in a hundred million. It can't be helped.

[MFauli]

Still feels so unfair :(

[Uchiha Barles]

I forgot how adorable Gon and Killua could be. This series does a good job at portraying children as children, monstrous powers aside.

[DarthEnderX]

I like how Nen has had it's own little theme song throughout the series so far.


Reused animation and the same song? :(Not exactly. I noticed several places where the lyrics changed.

More like, same song, different verse than before.

[Harima Kenji]

I loved this arc in the 'original' series.. hope they don't rush through this.
I just hope they keep the 'elevator girl' parts in there, they were hilarious.

A good thing is that I watched the original series years ago, so I hardly know the story anymore. For me there is a gap between this arc (including the next part of it) and the OVA series.. I know there is something in between, but totally forgot it. So after this arc, It'll surprise me what happened again :)

[Archangel]

I watched it years ago too and i remember every single detail... and yet i had to review basic trigonometry on my own this year because i forgot all about it.

Scumbag brain!

[Uchiha Barles]

I loved this arc in the 'original' series.. hope they don't rush through this.
I just hope they keep the 'elevator girl' parts in there, they were hilarious.

A good thing is that I watched the original series years ago, so I hardly know the story anymore. For me there is a gap between this arc (including the next part of it) and the OVA series.. I know there is something in between, but totally forgot it. So after this arc, It'll surprise me what happened again :)

I thought the same thing about the elevator girl as I was watching the series. I hope there's at least two scenes with her in it: One on their way up to the 200th floor, and one on their way down.

[enkoujin]

For me there is a gap between this arc (including the next part of it) and the OVA series.. I know there is something in between, but totally forgot it. So after this arc, It'll surprise me what happened again :)

Are you talking about the Spider/Phantom Troupe arc where Kurapika gets hired as a bodyguard in York Shin City?

[Penner]

Episode 28 aired!


Awesome ep, loved every second of it!

[Uchiha Barles]

And it begins...

I don't think I realized the first time around that they were trying to learn the basics of nen usage in under 4 hours.

[DarthEnderX]

Episode this week? Or is there like a goldenweek thing?

[Penner]

Episode 29 aired!

[Kraco]

Just like I remembered from the old show, I like the girls working at the Heavens Arena.

Too bad Gon got so easily up there to the 200s. If he had needed to actually fight people seriously, he would be in a better position to face all opponents. Now, however, he still has little experience of fighting humans, despite his power and potential. He's simply very green.

[MFauli]

That´s kinda a weakness of the plot, though. 199 floors of suckage, then floor 200 suddenly is made of super-human nen-users all the way.

Anyway, while I liked the fast pace here, it kinda ruined the urgency of the time limit to midnight. Maybe I´m remembering wrong, but it felt way closer, way more difficult for Gon and Killua to make in time in the original anime. Here it was kinda like "okay, here you have your Ten, now go up an register", without any efforts.

[Archangel]

Gon's retarded, what would it hurt to explore Nen's basics just a tiny bit more before throwing himself to the wolves?

[Kraco]

You already answered your own question: "Gon's retarded." Just like a proper shounen hero needs to be. No thinking and ("dirty") tactics, just guts, spirit and an impeccable sense of justice and friendship.

[MFauli]

Well, I can kinda understand Gon. Going through all these boring "push"-battles, he´s thirsty for a challenging experience.

[shinta|hikari]

Gon is not retarded. He knows the risks, and willingly takes them. He is pretty different from the usual dumbass shounen hero.

[Kraco]

Gon is not retarded. He knows the risks, and willingly takes them. He is pretty different from the usual dumbass shounen hero.

He knows the risks? It sure doesn't look like it. He looks like he has no fricking idea what's going on surrounded by those spinning tops. He should actually know that nothing would amuse his current opponent more than permanently crippling him and that the freak has pretty good chances of achieving it, according to Wing. Yet facing him now, ill prepared, is more important to him than actually learning first what's going on. You can claim otherwise, but I'd say Gon is stupid to forget his goal is to meet his old man again. It's just a facet of his reckless foolishness that he thinks he must laugh at Death's face time after time to be ready to meat his dad. I'd say he has broken the fourth wall and knows he's protected by the plot armor.

[antiravage]

I'm curious to know if there's anyone that at this point still doubts the new anime is better than the old one...


Wasn´t Togashi´s problem some illness, making it hard for him to make steady lines, thus resulting in some truly terribly drawn chapters?
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That was a rumor. Togashi is just lazy. And he likes to play rpgs.

[David75]

[...]to be ready to meat his dad.

Quoted for fun... and because it might have a meaning, who knows?
(I did not watch all of the previous show and I'm not reading the manga)

[MFauli]

Quoted for fun... and because it might have a meaning, who knows?
(I did not watch all of the previous show and I'm not reading the manga)

I read the manga and can confirm that Gon will have sex with his father.


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[DarthEnderX]

Gon is not retarded. He knows the risks, and willingly takes them.Willful ignorance isn't exactly an upgrade from retardation.

[shinta|hikari]

He knows the risks? It sure doesn't look like it. He looks like he has no fricking idea what's going on surrounded by those spinning tops. He should actually know that nothing would amuse his current opponent more than permanently crippling him and that the freak has pretty good chances of achieving it, according to Wing. Yet facing him now, ill prepared, is more important to him than actually learning first what's going on. You can claim otherwise, but I'd say Gon is stupid to forget his goal is to meet his old man again. It's just a facet of his reckless foolishness that he thinks he must laugh at Death's face time after time to be ready to meat his dad. I'd say he has broken the fourth wall and knows he's protected by the plot armor.

He knows the risks. He himself said that he is going to lose this match. Someone blind to the situation would not say that. He is reckless, and depends too much on his talent and luck, but he is not retarded.

[Kraco]

He knows the risks. He himself said that he is going to lose this match. Someone blind to the situation would not say that. He is reckless, and depends too much on his talent and luck, but he is not retarded.

Too bad the plot armor won't make him permanently lose an arm or a leg, or even just an eye, to teach him a lesson. Just looking at those weirdos should have told him that losing might come with an extra penalty. Nothing wrong about losing otherwise - it can teach far more than winning - but that's only true for training or when winning is a possibility as well, making it worth the risk. But to go into an actual fight knowing you will lose... That's something you do only when you have got no other choice. He's not retarded, that's too strong a term, but he's stupid. No way around it.

[anime nomad]

anyone else feeling the "thinness" of these episodes? as if they are trying to stretch content?
I love this series but I really hate how little content they are putting into each episode, considering that its a re-do and they have so much material in the manga.

[DarthEnderX]

anyone else feeling the "thinness" of these episodes? as if they are trying to stretch content?Nope. It's pretty much the exact opposite of that.

[Kraco]

The speed is pretty crazy here, especially remembering the old show, so I definitely can't feel anything of that sort. There are parts that could have easily used half an episode more material. Such as Gon (and the rest, I suppose) getting stronger. Now he's supposedly so strong that he literally pushed his way 199 floors up, but the "training" we saw him undergo, with one arm broken to boot, hardly gave me an impression he should have got so strong. Half an episode more of longer and more of torturous boot camp would have done the trick. But no, they had to speed past it.

[enkoujin]

He knows the risks? It sure doesn't look like it. He looks like he has no fricking idea what's going on surrounded by those spinning tops. He should actually know that nothing would amuse his current opponent more than permanently crippling him and that the freak has pretty good chances of achieving it, according to Wing. Yet facing him now, ill prepared, is more important to him than actually learning first what's going on. You can claim otherwise, but I'd say Gon is stupid to forget his goal is to meet his old man again. It's just a facet of his reckless foolishness that he thinks he must laugh at Death's face time after time to be ready to meat his dad. I'd say he has broken the fourth wall and knows he's protected by the plot armor.

Actually, I think Gon is a kinesthetic learner like most shounen heroes. He's a guy who learns things by doing them. Especially in a shounen manga/anime, the main protagonists usually get better during the actual battle by continually evolving. Gon is exactly like that - he didn't learn how to steal Hisoka's plate just by watching another candidate steal another candidate's plate while they were vulnerable. He learned how to steal Hisoka's plate successfully by practicing catching birds with his fishing rod (according to Geretta, Gon's hunter during the exam, more than several thousand times).

In this case, he's just learned the basics of Nen. He can take it the slow way and learn to use it in 90 days, or he can start using it right away in battle and accelerate his learning process through application. Strategically, it's a dumb move for him to head into battle immediately because he could have at least learned to master the basics first. But because he's a kinesthetic learner, being able to apply something he learns right away is beneficial to him (assuming nothing can backfire). Getting used to the environment of the 200th floor and matches serves this purpose as he is preparing himself more in the long-term against stronger fighters.

However, we can't forget that Gon's character has a lot of pride as exemplified by his refusal to use his hunter license to enter different countries. In this case, his short-term goal is to defeat Hisoka and Hisoka's words were that he would only be interested in fighting Gon and Killua if they could win a match on the 200th floor - which is exactly what Gon is doing. Doing this is satisfying his large pride of being able to fight Hisoka as soon as possible so that he can that he's successfully earned his privilege to be a called a hunter.

[Kraco]

Actually, I think Gon is a kinesthetic learner like most shounen heroes. He's a guy who learns things by doing them. Especially in a shounen manga/anime, the main protagonists usually get better during the actual battle by continually evolving. Gon is exactly like that - he didn't learn how to steal Hisoka's plate just by watching another candidate steal another candidate's plate while they were vulnerable. He learned how to steal Hisoka's plate successfully by practicing catching birds with his fishing rod (according to Geretta, Gon's hunter during the exam, more than several thousand times).

You do realise you are speaking against yourself in this paragraph. Gon didn't learn how to steal Hisoka's plate by fighting against Hisoka (or other deadly opponents) but by training with birds. The equivalent here would be to train under Wing and only after he knew he had a clue of what's going on, face opponents that are perfectly willing to maim or even kill him. It's not like Wing would make them sit through long lectures without any physical (or is it spiritual) training.

But yeah, what you are saying is otherwise correct. Not that it would make him any less stupid.

[antiravage]

That's fine and all, but in the latest episodes they actually have been using the same amount of chapters as the old anime per episode. This episode covered only 2 chapters (which is the norm in almost all animes). I don't think it feels rushed at all.

[Uchiha Barles]

You do realise you are speaking against yourself in this paragraph. Gon didn't learn how to steal Hisoka's plate by fighting against Hisoka (or other deadly opponents) but by training with birds. The equivalent here would be to train under Wing and only after he knew he had a clue of what's going on, face opponents that are perfectly willing to maim or even kill him. It's not like Wing would make them sit through long lectures without any physical (or is it spiritual) training.

But yeah, what you are saying is otherwise correct. Not that it would make him any less stupid.

I recall in the other anime, and I believe it was at a point earlier than we currently are in, they explained this aspect of Gon's behavior. The reason he does this kind of thing, and will continue to do it, is not because of a lack of intellect. He has a deep fear that if he is not willing to do the sort of thing he's doing in this episode, take these sorts of risks, he won't be able to ever reach his father. He's acting on an emotional drive, and taking this risk is the point.

Personally, I actually think he's right, even if he didn't come to that conclusion using any logic we've seen. If the "level" his father exists in is as grand and difficult to reach as the story is trying to convince us it is, then somehow he's going to have to dig deeper, go further, move faster, and fight harder than anyone else. This is one way he's trying to do that.

[Kraco]

Considering his actions during the Hunter exam, he was willing put to his principles before passing the exam. That would have set him back however long it'd have taken till the next exam. So, he definitely wasn't prioritising the speed but rather his own mental state. And that mental state has the conflict of wanting to meet his dad, but at the same time jeopardising the chances by sheer recklessness carrying high danger for little reward. Well, I suppose we can deduce he inherited that trait from his father and is now obeying it to become more like his father, in the hopes of that helping him to reach the man himself.

Not that it would make him any less stupid.

[enkoujin]

You got me on that one, Kraco, but the point I was making was that he was trying to simulate the stealing of Hisoka's plate. True, Gon can easily simulate battles with Wing, but because he knows Wing does not have malicious intent, the experience he would be getting would not be a good reflection with a battle with Hisoka. You can say the same as Killua as Killua has no intention of hurting Gon in a malicious manner due to strong friendship.

Here's another way of thinking about it, though. Gon has lots of natural talent. If this was all mathematics class, he would have learned basic addition and subtraction from Wing. Now, he's decided he wants to take an exam that has both multiplication and division on it; he wants to experiment and innovate at the same time with the basics he's learned.

For the average person, this would be a dumb move as failure would imminent, but for someone as talented as Gon, taking the exam is a great way to apply the basic skills you've learned. Because of his talent, being able to figure out how to multiply immediately after learning addition would take less time than learning it through a classroom. The pressure of stress of the situation will let him adapt more. Plus, he can always give up with a small consequence and learn to readily adapt to a battle between Nen users. Basically, he gains familiarity with multiplication, division and the ability/mindset to deal with exam-writing conditions immediately.

[Uchiha Barles]

Considering his actions during the Hunter exam, he was willing put to his principles before passing the exam. That would have set him back however long it'd have taken till the next exam. So, he definitely wasn't prioritizing the speed but rather his own mental state. And that mental state has the conflict of wanting to meet his dad, but at the same time jeopardizing the chances by sheer recklessness carrying high danger for little reward. Well, I suppose we can deduce he inherited that trait from his father and is now obeying it to become more like his father, in the hopes of that helping him to reach the man himself.

Not that it would make him any less stupid.

Not knowing much about Gon's dad I can't speak to his disposition, but I can say that being reckless isn't a requirement for the behavior Gon is exhibiting. If Gon realizes (instinctually or otherwise) that there is going to be a need to take extreme risks in order to succeed at his goal, then he's not stupid for making the decision to fight now. What would be stupid, is to realize what he realizes, but still decide to play it safe at every opportunity and believe that he'll be able to take the plunge "when the time comes." That's not how people work. In general, you cannot do what you have not done before, and you cannot do well what you have not done many times before. This includes being brave and keeping your head while facing danger and uncertainty.

In Gon's estimation, following Wing's advice is playing it safe. It is the smart thing to do if the goal is to do well in the 200s. But the goal is to reach Ging, and an opportunity presents itself to test for the presence of something we suspect is a requirement to achieving that goal. In that case, playing it safe is the stupid thing to do. Now, I'm not saying that Gon is or isn't stupid. I am arguing that this decision is not stupid. Furthermore, since Gon probably didn't come to an understanding of why he is the way he is analytically, we can't use this example as a gauge for Gon's intelligence.

[DarthEnderX]

You do realise you are speaking against yourself in this paragraph. Gon didn't learn how to steal Hisoka's plate by fighting against Hisoka (or other deadly opponents) but by training with birds. The equivalent here would be to train under Wing and only after he knew he had a clue of what's going on, face opponents that are perfectly willing to maim or even kill him. It's not like Wing would make them sit through long lectures without any physical (or is it spiritual) training.Exactly. In order for his example to be applicable, Gon would have learned to take Hisoka's badge by...immediately going out and trying to take Hisoka's badge.

That's the exact opposite of what he did. But it's exactly what he's doing NOW.

[Splash!]

Exactly. In order for his example to be applicable, Gon would have learned to take Hisoka's badge by...immediately going out and trying to take Hisoka's badge.

That's the exact opposite of what he did. But it's exactly what he's doing NOW.

Not really. His objective out of all of this is to be strong enough to return the badge to Hisoka. Defeating spinning top guy isn't what he is aiming for. If anything, he probably realizes that he is not going to be as strong as Hisoka anytime soon, even with Wing's training. Fighting against an opponent like this (where he is clearly outmatched and needs to think on his feet) is good practice for facing Hisoka, where he will most likely be in a similar situation, even after having polished his nen a bit. He will probably learn more this way (of course the risk is much much greater but since when does Gon care). If he were to train with Wing first and then fight this guy, one could argue if he would learn as much. So his plan isn't 'completely' retarded (although it is still pretty stupid).

[Penner]

Episode 30 aired!

[Kraco]

A bunch of broken bones is the least you need to keep Gon sitting still for any longer period of time. It's no wonder he had needed to develop an unnatural skill to hide his presence with such a lack of patience.

[David75]

You have to break quite a lot of his bones to keep him steady enough to train him into things like meditation/concentration or any technique needing long yet light training :D

[Penner]

Yah, that dude just cannot keep still, and from the looks of the next-ep preview, he's already doing one-handstands and shit lol.

But they probably just have some minor time-skipping going on so we won't just get tons of eps with Gon being incapacitated.

[Kraco]

But they probably just have some minor time-skipping going on so we won't just get tons of eps with Gon being incapacitated.

Since they showed us Kurapica, it'd make sense we witness his development while Gon is melding his bone fragments.

[Marik]

Episode 31 aired!

[Penner]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrhg, fucking ep ended right when the real shit was about to go down! >_<

[enkoujin]

I always wonder why people are willing to explain how their technique works in the middle of the battle in Shonen anime. There has to be a balance between explaining techniques or mechanics to the audience while retaining a realistic situation in the battle. Wouldn't it make sense for characters to talk about their abilities and techniques after the battle (or if the characters are going to explain their technique, why not just do a monologue with their thoughts)?

But, nonetheless, great episode!

[Archangel]

Funniest censorship ever, apparently when you lose an arm sparkles come out.

[shinta|hikari]

Little girls are made of sugar, spice, and everything nice. Psychotic murderous clowns should at least be made of sparkles.

[DarthEnderX]

I always wonder why people are willing to explain how their technique works in the middle of the battle in Shonen anime. There has to be a balance between explaining techniques or mechanics to the audience while retaining a realistic situation in the battle. Wouldn't it make sense for characters to talk about their abilities and techniques after the battle (or if the characters are going to explain their technique, why not just do a monologue with their thoughts)?I have to do it all the time when gamemastering D&D because my players are too stupid to figure it out otherwise.


Funniest censorship ever, apparently when you lose an arm sparkles come out.Nah, that's like, a Nen force field holding in the blood.

[David75]

Nah, that's like, a Nen force field holding in the blood.

Yup, somehow I feel like Hisoka is going to tell us he learnt how to doppelgang himself in the spur of the moment... and that the one cut is his double, explaining the sparkle that is Nen, you're right.

[Kraco]

Nah, that's like, a Nen force field holding in the blood.

That's what I forced myself to think, in order to avoid censoring ruining this show in my mind.

[antiravage]

At least they didn't cut out most of the Kastro fight like the original anime. Sure it would've been better to see lots of blood, but no seeing any is the price to pay to actually animate the fight, which is full of gore in the manga.

[Marik]

Episode 32 aired!

[Uchiha Barles]

FINALLY, an episode superior to its counterpart in the original hxh tv series! And what an episode this was. I think I'm a little gay for Hisoka. For those of us who've seen the original series and OVAs but haven't read the manga, this episode clarifies a number of things and just makes the intricacies of a nen fight so much clearer. For example, and without spoiling, I suspect that Kastro is either self taught in nen, or had a shitty teacher, based on his inability to discern even the smallest bit of information about hisoka's abilities and fighting methods (beyond the fact that he was using some kind of nen).

[Kraco]

It was a jolly good episode otherwise, but the bloody lengthy explanation and flashback to the fight were annoying. In the end its only purpose was to suddenly and without any solid reason explain Hisoka's techniques. That should have been left to a later time when Gon and Killua understand them. Besides, who cares about Kastro anymore, including the tiniest specifics of his defeat? Machi could have talked about the audience when she mused Hisoka will have forgotten Kastro's face by tomorrow.

[David75]

Funny how Hisoka's nen manipulation is similar to Sasori's/Kankuro's

And that girl's technique reminds me of Kakuzu's jutsus.

I was also annoyed at the in-ep recap and lengthy explanation for a fight that wasn't that important.

[MFauli]

Hm, as someone who watched the old anime, even though the action is good, it´s getting kinda boring now. Having to wait a week for stuff you already saw, well ...
Anyway, I thought that Kastro not noticing Hisoka´s aura strings was a bit unbelievable.. You´d think for some who mastered the double technique, he´d know the very basics of Gyo, aka putting Nen into your eyes to see the aura of Nen techniques. Yeah, yeah, Hisoka explained how Kastro was so focused on his fancy double technique that he deleted the basics from his memory, but ... it made Kastro look too much of a fool imo. Less explanation would have been better, like "Hisoka´s gruesome magic tricks shook Kastro off and made him forget to use Gyo", instead of this dumb "he forgot about Gyo due to the double training".





Funny how Hisoka's nen manipulation is similar to Sasori's/Kankuro's

And that girl's technique reminds me of Kakuzu's jutsus.

Yeah, but let´s not confuse which came first ;)

[DarthEnderX]

It was a jolly good episode otherwise, but the bloody lengthy explanation and flashback to the fight were annoying. In the end its only purpose was to suddenly and without any solid reason explain Hisoka's techniques. I don't think "showing the audience that what happened was completely thought out and not just a bunch of bullshit" qualifies as "without any solid reason".

[Kraco]

I don't think "showing the audience that what happened was completely thought out and not just a bunch of bullshit" qualifies as "without any solid reason".

Then what was your splendid reason? The other Phantom Troupe member, who is a master of nen use as well, needs to go through Hisoka's fight in excruciating detail as if it was something novel to her? She fricking knew everything that happened from the beginning, so why on Earth was it necessary to make it look like she thought it all through in Hisoka's company? It's poor story telling, that's all. It's as if the audience was sitting in that same room, listening to a lecture, and not a meeting of Hisoka and Machi alone. It made about as much sense as the infuriating studio laughter that ruins sitcoms. But unfortunately it's still a part of the shounen textbook.

A better way would have been to leave the explanations to later, until Gon and Killua need to figure it out. That way, when they are still struggling to get it, it would feel natural to explain it to the audience as well.

[DarthEnderX]

Then what was your splendid reason?I just told you. It's for the benefit of the audience.

Sorry you think it's bad storytelling, but really, there's no such thing as "good exposition", because there's no such thing as a seamless way to deliver a large complicated chunk of information to a casual, invisible observer(the audience) without it coming off as awkward.

But it's still completely necessary for the audience to know what the fuck happened.



A better way would have been to leave the explanations to later, until Gon and Killua need to figure it out. That way, when they are still struggling to get it, it would feel natural to explain it to the audience as well.Right, because that's always the best time for a giant fucking infodump. Right in the middle of a fight so it completely ruins the pacing.

[Kraco]

If that was the only other choice, then it's true it would ruin the pacing of the fight and it would be even worse than using the second half of the episode to flashback the first half. But possibly there could have been other ways, such as Wing explaining it to Gon and Killua when they start their formal training under him. Then it would have been a literal lecture in every sense of the word, and nobody could blame the show for making it look like a lecture to the audience as well.

[DarthEnderX]

Hurm. I think you're just nitpicking.

[Marik]

Episode 33 aired!

[Kraco]

They certainly use Zushi to the max to show what kind of monsters Gon and Killua are compared to normal mortals. It was good to see Killua show a killer's face again, in any case.

[DarthEnderX]

I was hoping Killua would just kill him during their match.

But the villain pussed out instead.

[David75]

I was hoping Killua would just kill him during their match.

But the villain pussed out instead.

He never felt him coming and all of a sudden his hallucinating his own gory death, then Kilua lets him out in a very unconfortable position where he can be killed any second just like he just hallucinated.

I guess the guy knows he doesn't stand a chance against Kill.
It also shows how much of a monster Killua will become if only basic training in Nen/ten/ren and the likes makes him that strong, that quick.

[Archangel]

I'd watch this for the Hunterpedia alone. That shit's kawaii...

[Marik]

Episode 34 aired!

[Archangel]

This is how the new season can shine, the atmosphere is obviously inferior to the original anime because this is being marketed to kids but with Madhouse in charge every fighting scene has the potential to be fucking glorious.

[seanos]

I've been impressed by the last few episodes, handled very nicely.
I can't recall exactly how these were dealt with in the orignal - think I'll need to rewatch them, so far I think the last episode was handled better in the new series.

[neflight86]

Just so I have an idea; how far, exactly, did the old series go in broadcast?

[enkoujin]

Google is your best friend:

*SPOILER ALERT*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hunter_%C3%97_Hunter_episodes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hunter_%C3%97_Hunter_OVA_episodes

[Archangel]

Up until the end of the Greed Island arc.

[DarthEnderX]

No episode this week?

[Archangel]

Nope. .

[anime nomad]

fml
was really looking forward to the next episode.

[MFauli]

Hoping for a recap next sunday

trolol

[Marik]

Episode 35 aired!

[DarthEnderX]

SCHWING!

God DAMN it that was great!

I didn't think they'd actually start the battle this episode, but fuck it they did!

Awesome Nen explanations and sweet fighting in the same episode. Can't ask for more than that.

That weird tone they used once the fight started made it seem really ominous and tense.

[Munsu]

That opening fight sequence between Hisoka and Gon was fucking awesome.

[MFauli]

That was the best battle animation I´ve ever seen in a shounen-anime. Wow. Such a long, detail-rich fighting scene, without any interruptions, without any filler-animations. I´d say the one shounen-fight that is equally that great was Rock Lee vs Kimimaro.

[Kraco]

Awesome Nen explanations and sweet fighting in the same episode.

The Specialist made the Nen explanations fall somewhat flat, though. If the Specialist is "something" not belonging to the other major categories, how can you say it's the farthest away from the Enhancer? Either it should be something more defined, not just a random junk pile for every weirder than usual power needed by the plot or it should be an unknown category and the whole diagram shouldn't be presented in such a solid form, because it's clearly not.

Anyway, Gon vs Hisoka was great, and I was also positively surprised it already started in this episode. Gon managing to land the hit also didn't seem unrealistic - due to Hisoka assuming such a handicap of not moving an inch - which is a very important detail.

[David75]

Like Killua said, Hisoka still doesn't take Gon seriously.
He likes that Gon progresses well and fast, so he'll probably just beat him right and wait for a better match much later when Gon matures and his ripe to his tastes.

Also, beetween the two, there's no hatred, just pure will to have a good fight. I wonder if the story involves such things later, to spice up the fights.

[MFauli]

The Specialist made the Nen explanations fall somewhat flat, though. If the Specialist is "something" not belonging to the other major categories, how can you say it's the farthest away from the Enhancer? Either it should be something more defined, not just a random junk pile for every weirder than usual power needed by the plot or it should be an unknown category and the whole diagram shouldn't be presented in such a solid form, because it's clearly not.


I´d say Enhancer and Specialist are opposite in that the former is kinda the most simple Nen skill, while the latter requires lots of special circumstances, detail, thought, etc.. I mean, really, as an enhancer all you do is make "things" stronger, be it objects or your own body. As a specialist, I dunno, you´re free to do anything, but you have to come up with something yourself.

[Penner]

That was the fucking SHIT right there! I was not at all expecting them to actually fight in this ep, but damn was i pleasantly surprised!

[enkoujin]

I was blown away by the animation in this episode! God, I LOVE Madhouse! If only BONES and Madhouse did a collaboration together, it would be the best anime ever.


The Specialist made the Nen explanations fall somewhat flat, though. If the Specialist is "something" not belonging to the other major categories, how can you say it's the farthest away from the Enhancer? Either it should be something more defined, not just a random junk pile for every weirder than usual power needed by the plot or it should be an unknown category and the whole diagram shouldn't be presented in such a solid form, because it's clearly not.

IMO, I think the specialist category is a convenient plot device the mangaka (Togashi) slotted in to open up more possibilities for future characters with unique abilities. It's also a smart way to cover your tracks because if he didn't, it would be just bad storytelling if the protagonists encountered a new type of enemy and their enemy will be explaining this specialist stuff all of a sudden. Additionally, it would make Wing and the Hunter organization look like a bunch of incompetent chumps if they can't classify their own/all powers in this universe.

I'm not too sure about this, you guys, but I'm really enjoying these naked and disturbingly erotic Hisoka scenes. They're extremely hilarious and I simply can't get enough of it.

[Archangel]

The Specialist made the Nen explanations fall somewhat flat, though. If the Specialist is "something" not belonging to the other major categories, how can you say it's the farthest away from the Enhancer? Either it should be something more defined, not just a random junk pile for every weirder than usual power needed by the plot or it should be an unknown category and the whole diagram shouldn't be presented in such a solid form, because it's clearly not.
Specialist is still a class of its own, but the range of abilities within its user base is so diverse that they can't pin point it like with the others.

Basically what they're saying is that it will be hard for an enhancer to acquire any skills outside of what's to be expected from the available classes. It's great for close ranged battles but it's also predictable.

[David75]

Regarding the classification, maybe there are several versions running in the Hunter organisation and around the world.
After all, this is important material regarding powerful people that either enforce law... or do the countrary.

It would be no suprise if Wing only had knowledge of a simplified version. He could even know more but only mention that one.
He also maybe did adapt to his audience abilities... and it's also easier on people watching the show.

Wing probably also has his own limits in credentials and even skills/knowledge.

Now regarding classifications, you guys know the one by D. Mendeleïev for the elements?
It was incomplete, but was good enough for quite a long time and even had empty cells for elements we'd discover years later.
Nowadays, it might start becoming a tad obsolete... but it still is a great tool/theory to start with for begginers.

Pretty much like the explanation we had...

[Kraco]

Specialist is still a class of its own, but the range of abilities within its user base is so diverse that they can't pin point it like with the others.

We already have diverse classes: the five defined ones. Then we suddenly have a sixth class that's apparently a container for another set of diverse classes... Surely some of the Specialist skills are closer to one of the other five classes than the others. If they weren't, they wouldn't be diverse. For them to really be the sixth major class, they would need to be pretty similar to each other, and in that case they ought to have a decent, descriptive name. Or the Hunter agent should have just admitted Hunters don't know enough of the users and skills of the sixth class to name it properly.

[Uchiha Barles]

We already have diverse classes: the five defined ones. Then we suddenly have a sixth class that's apparently a container for another set of diverse classes... Surely some of the Specialist skills are closer to one of the other five classes than the others. If they weren't, they wouldn't be diverse. For them to really be the sixth major class, they would need to be pretty similar to each other, and in that case they ought to have a decent, descriptive name. Or the Hunter agent should have just admitted Hunters don't know enough of the users and skills of the sixth class to name it properly.

Without spoiling, specialist users have abilities that can't be described by any of the other nen groups, at least without stretching things. You'll see that in general, people with nen abilities have abilities that are very obviously placeable in one group or another without having to go through hoops in order to place them there. So it's what enkoujin said, it's just a container for those abilities which aren't described by the other types, but the author wants to exist.

Also, the placement makes sense if you look at it from the specialist users point of reference, and the implications that the placement makes. A specialist user will have a very hard time using enhancement nen, a hard time using emission and transmission, an easy time using manipulation and conjuration, while having the easiest time using nen from their own nen-type. If this is true for everyone who has abilities that cannot be explained by the other five categories of nen, then this is THE reason for creating the specialist group and placing it in relation to the others.

[Kraco]

Also, the placement makes sense if you look at it from the specialist users point of reference, and the implications that the placement makes. A specialist user will have a very hard time using enhancement nen, a hard time using emission and transmission, an easy time using manipulation and conjuration, while having the easiest time using nen from their own nen-type. If this is true for everyone who has abilities that cannot be explained by the other five categories of nen, then this is THE reason for creating the specialist group and placing it in relation to the others.

If that's the case, then why a totally vague name like a Specialist? Everybody who specialized in something is a specialist. It means absolutely nothing. If there're enough common traits among them to genuinely group them together into the sixth class and say they are at a uniform distance from the other five classes, then for sure they deserve a descriptive name.

Otherwise it's just a pile of junk and there's no claiming they are equally difficult for the Nen users of other classes.

[DarthEnderX]

The Specialist made the Nen explanations fall somewhat flat, though. If the Specialist is "something" not belonging to the other major categories, how can you say it's the farthest away from the Enhancer? Either it should be something more defined, not just a random junk pile for every weirder than usual power needed by the plot or it should be an unknown category and the whole diagram shouldn't be presented in such a solid form, because it's clearly not.The diagram really only exists to show the difficulty in using abilities in relation to your preferred type.

For whatever reason the "abilities that don't fall into other categories" are extremely difficult for Enhancers to use, and for whatever reason, Specialists find Enhancement very difficult to use.

Is it unlikely that all of those Misc. powers would just so happen to be opposed to Enhancement? Yes. But that's the way it is.

[Uchiha Barles]

If that's the case, then why a totally vague name like a Specialist? Everybody who specialized in something is a specialist. It means absolutely nothing. If there're enough common traits among them to genuinely group them together into the sixth class and say they are at a uniform distance from the other five classes, then for sure they deserve a descriptive name.

Otherwise it's just a pile of junk and there's no claiming they are equally difficult for the Nen users of other classes.



The grouping together of those abilities doesn't come because of common traits among them, but because the abilities are not classifiable within the other groups, it's a catch-all. Or a "pile of junk" as you put it. They're hatsu, just not hatsu that can be classified by the other five nen categories. Furthermore, the abilities can differ greatly from each other. A person whose nen allowed him to use abilities you might classify as "absorption" needs to exist side by side in the same group with someone whose abilities you might identify as "necromancy". This of course assuming that neither of the abilities falls into any of the other classes. That "need to exist in the same group" is addressed in the second paragraph below. So the name of the category has to reflect that. Specialization might not have been the name you chose, but it works.

Now, without knowing more about specialist users you can't really place them in that diagram properly, but IF the specialist group is already placed in that diagram, then you can make the inference that specialist users share that common ability distribution. If that inference proves to be true, then that's all the explanation that's required.

[Marik]

Episode 36 aired!

[Munsu]

Can we just have about 100 straight episodes of Gon and Hisoka fighting each other? Thanks.

[Penner]

Man, Hisoka is one pervy weirdo lol

[Uchiha Barles]

The lolz man, the lolz! Hisoka really *cock*ed back on those punches xD. It's too bad this is over but if things keep up, there's even greater goodness to come.

[DarthEnderX]

They, like, completely changed the appearance of the Author Avatar (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AuthorAvatar) in this episode from the one in the previous series.

[MFauli]

You know, I reeeeally don´t get why HXH never became the most popular shounen series ... which it deserves/deserved to become. Why are Naruto or One Piece more popular? Makes no sense to me. HXH is shounen done right and done in perfection.

[David75]

You know, I reeeeally don´t get why HXH never became the most popular shounen series ... which it deserves/deserved to become. Why are Naruto or One Piece more popular? Makes no sense to me. HXH is shounen done right and done in perfection.

Yaoi shotacon maybe?

Or the pace, I think I remember the original is a tad slow paced.
Also, it's not very flashy with attack names and lights coming from everywhere with power over 9000.

[Kraco]

Yaoi shotacon maybe?

Yeah. HxH has basically no girls except one arc wonders. That must have also mattered in the popularity contest. HxH has interesting plots & world, good action & fights, worthy adversaries, quite solid development, but that only goes so far. If you want to aim for the top spot, you need to cover all the major bases. However, even if this isn't the top series, it's still better the mangaka rather did what he wanted and not calculated everything to artificially boost the popularity (like Bakuman teaches).

[DarthEnderX]

You know, I reeeeally don´t get why HXH never became the most popular shounen series ... which it deserves/deserved to become. Why are Naruto or One Piece more popular? Makes no sense to me. HXH is shounen done right and done in perfection.Because Ninjas and Pirates are more interesting concepts to base a series around that Hunters, which is basically just a catch-all for "guys with powers".

[Uchiha Barles]

Yeah. HxH has basically no girls except one arc wonders. That must have also mattered in the popularity contest. HxH has interesting plots & world, good action & fights, worthy adversaries, quite solid development, but that only goes so far.

My heart sunk a little while reading that because I know just how true it is. *shakes head*

[MFauli]

No girls in a shounen manga is that bad for its popularity? Really? Also, fuck that, Kurapika is all the girl HXH needs :-o

[Archangel]

Because the art is shit and it goes on hiatus every few weeks. Eventually people just lost interest.

[Buffalobiian]

We're evaluating the legal repercussions of the previous thread (which is no longer visible) at the moment. In the meanwhile, I'll ask that no links to unlicensed distribution sources (eg fansubs, rips) be linked in this thread until further notice.

Episode/plot discussion can go on as usual. When someone is first to post about a new episode, a little "Episode XX discussion below" warning may help other users avoid spoilers and keep things tidy.

Thanks guys.


HxH Japanese Air Time: Sunday 10:55AM (GMT+9)

[DarthEnderX]

You guys get some kind of C&D or something? Why's this series getting singled out?

[Buffalobiian]

You guys get some kind of C&D or something? Why's this series getting singled out?

No idea why. I don't have the full details, so we're still waiting on that.

Anyway, episode 37's aired! :p

[Uchiha Barles]

I always like it when super-powered kids act as kids despite the superpowers. This episode was adorable xD. And um...Ging's the ultimate pimp and deadbeat dad.

[enkoujin]

I liked how Togashi foreshadowed Gon's mother in regards to that she and Ging separated... which leaves some room for her to come back in the future if needed.

Did anyone feel here that Mito had some romantic feelings for Ging?

[Uchiha Barles]

I'd like to say no, but I can't remember seeing an anime where a girl would make a face like that at a boy without there being romantic feelings. I doesn't even matter if the girl is 3 or 30. At the very least, it usually seems to indicate the development of romantic feelings. However, presently, she seems to just think of him as a horrible human being. Those romantic feelings didn't get to develop.

[Kraco]

Did anyone feel here that Mito had some romantic feelings for Ging?

That's possible. He left early enough so that Mito wouldn't start to regard him equal to a sibling but not so early that he wouldn't have impressed her already. I wonder how many men she has even met after Ging - if any. He might be her only solid image of a man.

[Archangel]

Don't shit all over my shounen with romantic innuendo. They were cousins and friends, that's it.

[Penner]

Ep 38 is out.








Looks like Gon's dad is pretty badass :P

[Buffalobiian]

I've removed the links in the old thread, then combined everything together so we have our thread back again. The sender of the DMCA insists that the linking of the materials they've referred to are infringements of intellectual property.. and we've decided not to push it at this point.

If anybody wants more information about how to watch HxH, shoot someone a PM. I'm sure we've got enough nice people here to help.

And a thankyou to everybody who had provided links every week in the past! :)

[Archangel]

I've removed the links in the old thread, then combined everything together so we have our thread back again. The sender of the DMCA insists that the linking of the materials they've referred to are infringements of intellectual property.. and we've decided not to push it at this point.

If anybody wants more information about how to watch HxH, shoot someone a PM. I'm sure we've got enough nice people here to help.

And a thankyou to everybody who had provided links every week in the past! :)
Exactly what i asked Kraco to do.

I propose Bill becomes an admin and Kraco gets demoted to mod.

[Kraco]

Exactly what i asked Kraco to do.

I propose Bill becomes an admin and Kraco gets demoted to mod.

You poor peasant. It's precisely because I'm an admin and Bill is a mod that he does the work and I merely pat his back afterwards to commend the good job.

Running a forum isn't like Hunter X Hunter where the one with the fastest and strongest punch stands at the top.

[enkoujin]

Episode 39 is out!

[Kraco]

I wonder how easy it's to hire guys for a job with the introduction: "There's a bunch of possibly insanely strong people with strange abilities you wouldn't be able to understand in a room and we want you to rush in armed with obsolete weapons to try to kill them. These people were chosen based on the expectation normal humans, such as you guys, wouldn't stand a chance against them, but we just have to make sure. So, do your best, even though if everything goes well, you'll all be corpses."

Kurapika's hatred gives his character a nice, focused vibe, even though it also tends to make him lose his cool.

[Archangel]

They might be Nen created homunculus.

Also, dat long haired Kurapika.

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder how easy it's to hire guys for a job with the introduction: "There's a bunch of possibly insanely strong people with strange abilities you wouldn't be able to understand in a room and we want you to rush in armed with obsolete weapons to try to kill them. These people were chosen based on the expectation normal humans, such as you guys, wouldn't stand a chance against them, but we just have to make sure. So, do your best, even though if everything goes well, you'll all be corpses."That's called "Every supervillain's henchmen ever." And one can only assume it's such a popular profession because it must be lucrative.

[Uchiha Barles]

And now, the Kurapica goodness begins! This is the beginning of the very lengthy part of the series that catapults HxH to the very top of the shonen heap. I've been content to watch this weekly with no real anticipation for the following week but I think from this point forward I'll be getting blue balls waiting for Sundays to come around.

[Archangel]

And now, the Kurapica goodness begins! This is the beginning of the very lengthy part of the series that catapults HxH to the very top of the shonen heap. I've been content to watch this weekly with no real anticipation for the following week but I think from this point forward I'll be getting blue balls waiting for Sundays to come around.
I suspect the censorship is going to kill it though, the York Shin arc is pretty fucking gruesome.

[deathnightwc3]

I'm probably the minority but I just don't care much for Kurapica's story. I guess it's because I'm too use to it being focused on Gon, that the switch just makes me lose interest.

[Uchiha Barles]

I'm probably the minority but I just don't care much for Kurapica's story. I guess it's because I'm too use to it being focused on Gon, that the switch just makes me lose interest.

Kurapica's always been an interesting character to me because of that boiling rage underneath his cool exterior. This aspect of his gets focused on and developed in a very dark way. Not to mention, a number of the best fights in the series, and imo the single best fight in the previous tv series and OVAs belongs to Kurapica. You'll come around I'm sure xD. And if you don't, there'll be plenty of Gon to see as well.

[enkoujin]

I wonder how easy it's to hire guys for a job with the introduction: "There's a bunch of possibly insanely strong people with strange abilities you wouldn't be able to understand in a room and we want you to rush in armed with obsolete weapons to try to kill them. These people were chosen based on the expectation normal humans, such as you guys, wouldn't stand a chance against them, but we just have to make sure. So, do your best, even though if everything goes well, you'll all be corpses."

Pretty easy if there's an excess human labour supply and a recession is taking place... if not that, there's always the possibility of advance payment and insurance for these guys so that their families or friends can access it afterwards if the employee could not.



Also, dat long haired Kurapika.

You do know that, despite how feminine he looks, Kurapica's a guy, right?

[Uchiha Barles]

It's entirely possible that those henchmen just weren't told about the superpowers those hunter possess. Knowledge of the existence of nen might be more extensive in the underground, but I imagine it's not difficult to find skilled fighters who don't know about nen. If they're willing to kill for profit, then you have your dupes.

[Carnage]

You do know that, despite how feminine he looks, Kurapica's a guy, right?

Oh he knows.

[TwisT]

There is a reason Kurapica is both loved and hated. He is Sasuke. Both have eyes that turn red for a power up. Both their clan has been killed and both seek revenge. There are some key differences though that make Kurapica more lovable. Kurapica is friendly and polite to people. He see's Gon and Killua as friends rather then rivals that needs to be kept at an arms length or competed with. He actually act toward the goal of getting revenge, rather then talk about it but never actually do anything. And he plan, choose and train to gain his abilitys. Only time Sasuke trained hard was when he learned Chidori. Other then that he has always relied on hax eye power. He need to brood so he don't have time to train.

[DarthEnderX]

You do know that, despite how feminine he looks, Kurapica's a guy, right?Or IS he...


Kurapica is friendly and polite to people. He see's Gon and Killua as friends rather then rivals that needs to be kept at an arms length or competed with. He actually act toward the goal of getting revenge, rather then talk about it but never actually do anything. And he plan, choose and train to gain his abilitys. Only time Sasuke trained hard was when he learned Chidori. Other then that he has always relied on hax eye power. He need to brood so he don't have time to train.Exactly. A Mary Sue character is far easier to like when they aren't also a total dickbag.

[enkoujin]

Episode 40 is out!

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Props to Killua who changes his clothes every 12 episodes - that guy really knows how to be a hipster.

[enkoujin]

Episode 41 is out!

[DarthEnderX]

Awww yeah! The Phantom Troupe at last!

[kyubisrage]

anyone else notice the PUU mini doll on the boss's phone/keychain.

[Uchiha Barles]

Oh the coming goodness! Is it weird that I feel giddy like a schoolgirl?

[Harima Kenji]

Ep 42 is out!

The shit is going down next week! I can only hope they don't screw it up with the censoring..
Funny to see that Leorio only understands Ren so far.

Even though I still remember the outline of the story from the previous anime, it feels new to me, because I forgot só much of it.

[Kraco]

Leorio never changes. But at least he knows how to save money and knows better than to try to swindle the pro swindlers.

[DarthEnderX]

Even though I still remember the outline of the story from the previous anime, it feels new to me, because I forgot só much of it.You could always look it up on Uoogre!

[Archangel]

I already have a semi out of anticipation for Kurapika's next battle.

[enkoujin]

Episode 43 is out!

[DarthEnderX]

Okay THAT wasn't censored.

[David75]

Okay THAT wasn't censored.

Aye.

We're back to what we had in the hunter selection, but with a vengeance :D
A little bloodbath and some cleaning for the feast that's to come?

[Uchiha Barles]

That was like watching a horror movie. Shizuku is so dark I <3 her dearly. And Udon smacking the shit out that guy and ruining his neck was equally horrific god I love it! I don't remember the corresponding episode in the earlier series being quite this awesome. Good job Madhouse.

[Kraco]

After an introduction like that those four Shadow Beasts can't help but die quickly. Just like the mafia families, they have been riding on their infamy alone for too long.

[Archangel]

Meh... 2 more weeks before Kurapika goes full bamf mode.

[enkoujin]

Episode 44 is out!

[Archangel]

Kurapika is so boss~

[Penner]

Next ep can't get here fast enough!!

[Uchiha Barles]

Kurapica's anger is so delicious, backed up by actual power. It was just so fucking awesome to see that smug look wash off of Uvo's face.

[DarthEnderX]

Kurapica's anger is so delicious, backed up by actual power. It was just so fucking awesome to see that smug look wash off of Uvo's face.It'd be more impressive if the guy wasn't fucking paralyzed. This doesn't make Kurapica look particularly badass. Just opportunistic.

[Kraco]

It'd be more impressive if the guy wasn't fucking paralyzed. This doesn't make Kurapica look particularly badass. Just opportunistic.

After the idiot shadow beasts, it does make Kurapika look very intelligent, though.

[enkoujin]

I'm guessing the Shadow Beasts' infamy for slowly killing their victim(s) in the worst way possible was what kept the checks and balances in the Mafia world (dying underground? paralysing poison? leeches hatching in urinary tract?). But yes, it was very stupid to go in against elite thieves with regular arsenal against humans rather than instant killings.

[David75]

If you guys were waiting for your usual shoot, sorry to inform you that the next ep will air next week. Or so it seems.
I'd like to be proven wrong though...

[shinta|hikari]

So that's why...

F**k.

[Penner]

New episode out!

[Kraco]

The mafia guys are all losers through and through. No wonder Killua's family is making money big enough to afford a whole mountain, as the only capable people the mafia has are hired outsiders (Kurapika included).

[MFauli]

Of course, I know the story, watched the old anime and such, but still ... I wonder if there is a proper explanation as to why the Genryodan-members are THAT incredibly strong. Is it typical Naruto-esque bullshit a la "well duh...", or is there a real reason? Afaik, they didn´t engage in a nen vow like Kurapika, which *could* explain their strength.

And yes, the whole mafia party is one big disappointment.

[David75]

remember Gon is maybe one in a million?
If we're on a fictionnal planet with as much people as ours, that makes like 5 000 extremely gifted people.
And Gon already is a monster for his young age. Imagine him with another 10 years, since all of the others seem to be in their mid 20s. Some even older.

[Kraco]

To be fair one in a million people would more likely associate with a quasi organization like the Phantom Troupe than be hirelings of lousy mafiosos. They could make money any way they wanted, so why not do something potentially challenging and interesting and definitely unique? With lesser people options are more limited and competition more fierce, so belonging to a group of mafia's elite dogs might be more tempting, especially since it gives a notorious reputation for free. Naturally most super talents would be out there doing whatever they want alone or with temporary colleagues, if they aren't bosses of whatever organizations themselves.

[Uchiha Barles]

Yeah, there are a number of people out there that are quite strong. Not to mention, even seeing how strong the members of the phantom troupe are, we still don't really know what the achievable power limits are. So all in all, they might not be that strong. But as of right now, they're beasts. In addition to that, the selection process seems like no joke. The most probable way into the troupe is to take out a current member, so being in that group, you'd better be cock-sure of yourself.

[enkoujin]

Yeah, there are a number of people out there that are quite strong. Not to mention, even seeing how strong the members of the phantom troupe are, we still don't really know what the achievable power limits are. So all in all, they might not be that strong. But as of right now, they're beasts. In addition to that, the selection process seems like no joke. The most probable way into the troupe is to take out a current member, so being in that group, you'd better be cock-sure of yourself.

Pretty much this.

The way the organization is set up assures that they have the best staff to run. The money rewards and the sport of bloodshed itself is insurmountable and would appeal to anyone insanely strong to join.

[Penner]

Episode 46 out, go get some!

[Kraco]

I found it funny yet very fitting they had to pay a large sum in order to... In order to qualify to cash in if they catch a target? So, no matter what happens, somebody is making good money. I wonder what would have happened if they didn't pay that five million, but still later brought in one of the target. It's not like the mafia could have simply claimed the target because anybody catching one would need to be stronger than the target, whom the mafia already failed to defeat, yet catching them would be of priceless importance in many ways.

So, I'd say it was stupid to pay. But then again, it was Leorio in charge, so I suppose stupid things couldn't be avoided.

The next ep should be jolly good in any case.

[David75]

I'm a little surprised Leorio or Killua not reacting to the 5 million subscription when getting a single target only gets you 2 million.
Even without knowing the dangerosity of the targets, you know it's a pyramidal scheme to rob money from a group of people.
Who would be strong enough to get 3 of those targets to start gaining 1 million over their subscripion? Also meaning you'd probably need to fight against other bounty hunters?
Everyone is a little too dumb here. I can understand Killua is very confident in himself and only wants to have fun, I'm a little surprised Leorio is back to the dumbass he was during the hunter exam. There isn't anyone else reacting too.
Very strange.

[Penner]

If i read correctly, getting a single target gets you 2 billion, which is why they made such a fuss about it :P

[Archangel]

Indeed, 2 bilion.

The 5 mil is retarded though, i'm sure they'd still get the money if they simply captured them outright.

[DarthEnderX]

I'm a little surprised Leorio is back to the dumbass he was during the hunter exam.At what point during the series had he ceased to be a dumbass in the first place? You can't go back to something you never left.

[Kraco]

The 5 mil is retarded though, i'm sure they'd still get the money if they simply captured them outright.

I called only paying it retarded, because considering we are talking about professional criminals here, for all we know the big mafiosos only ordered their underlings to spread the wanted posters of the bounties, yet those underlings came up with a nice way of making some dough on the side by collecting those five millions from hopeless dumbasses. It's good business.

[enkoujin]

I thought it was pretty funny how Leorio got tricked by that when he ironically haggled for a couple of cell phones while he puts down $5 million without raising an eyebrow. It was the only non-tense scene in the episode.

[David75]

My bad, the bounty is a tad better when read correctly...

[TwisT]

Is it just me or is everything involving Uvogin (and perhaps all Spinders) that much better in the original anime? He was basically Luffy, except he kills without remorse.

Things that was better that springs to mind:

Uvo's voice actor
Uvo's whole attitude and demeanor
Uvo going down to face the mafia
Uvo fighting the Shadow Beasts
Nobunaga & Co talking about Uvo's Big Bang Impact
Uvo getting interrogated
Uvo and Shalnak researching the Nostrado family
Uvo finding Kurapica in the hotelroom

Example Uvo and Shalnak in this episode. In the original there was much more warmth and comradely feeling between them with the whole playful kiss on the mouth and their entire conversation. And the fight with the Shadow Beast was so drawn out. His Big Bang Impact too forever to load and then he just levitated in the air instead of the few second charge up and mega explosion that only lasted a few seconds. How he took forever to fill his lungs to shout and blow that skull fragment. And make the sound of a vacuum? Seriously? Feels like they try to take away all the loving qualities and portray him as a big brute and nothing more. Maybe they don't want kids watching to actually like a bad guy like Uvo that snaps necks and shit.

I just fear that this fight between Uvo and Kurapica next episode will be drawn out and fucked up like the Shadow Beast one. I really hope not. Anyways am i the only one that feels this way?

[Kraco]

I don't remember the first anime in such high detail, but in all honesty what use is it to make a new show if it's a carbon copy of the old one? You are better off by making another take instead. I don't particularly see why Uvo should necessarily be any different from this, nor the other members. In the end they are all murderous, vile criminals who can't afford to trust anybody.

[MFauli]

As for the "why pay 5 million for a fee" problem:

It´s rather simple. The mafia wants the spiders dead. No matter if you subscribe or not, the mafia will benefit from dead spider members. Now, they tell you "only who subscribes will be granted the reward". What it comes down to is that i wasn´t stupid on Leorio´s side to pay the fee. Rather, it´s dumb of the mafia not to simply make it a public announcement so that thousands and millions of idiots would go after the spiders. THAT is what should be questioned here.

[Kraco]

It´s rather simple. The mafia wants the spiders dead. No matter if you subscribe or not, the mafia will benefit from dead spider members. Now, they tell you "only who subscribes will be granted the reward".

The mafia won't benefit as much from a spider member dead but not in their possession. In that case they couldn't even be sure the target is truly dead, and thus couldn't spread the message this is what happens if you screw with us or they can't torture a living captive they don't have for information. Plus the big bosses won't believe until they get the corpse, which they wouldn't get before paying. Like I said earlier, they can't simply claim the body (or even a living target) from somebody who is stronger than the target they couldn't take down in the first place.

All this led me to believe the whole five million wasn't there originally but somebody just decided to make some cash in the middle.

[David75]

Thought about this a little:
Getting 5 million from each subscriber is a beneficial source of money. They can spend that in anything regarding the targets and/or other goals.
They also get a shortlist of people having at least those 5 millions (or more) AND who think they are strong enough for the job. So they know that in that shortlist they get fighters that did earn quite a sum with their abilities, which is valuable information too.
Obviously, you'd still get lousy people in that shortlist, but not that much since this is quite a sum to begin with.
With that money, they can even start getting intel on the subscribers.
Now that doesn't mean successful fighters, having those 5 millions are strong enough to do the job, but even then they can be useful if hired in the organisation (some of them at least)

[Kraco]

A good point, but putting your name down on that list just became even more dubious, with that in mind. Unless you were dead set on seeking a lifetime of servitude on mafia's payroll, you certainly shouldn't pay them millions and have your name recorded.

[David75]

A good point, but putting your name down on that list just became even more dubious, with that in mind. Unless you were dead set on seeking a lifetime of servitude on mafia's payroll, you certainly shouldn't pay them millions and have your name recorded.

You know how google makes billions with your data, mafia just is even more clever :D

[MFauli]

Random thought: Do we have any figures about this anime´s success? I just wondered how likely it is that we´ll get to see all that stuff that comes after the end of the original anime-version in animated form. And I figured that the more successful, the more likely it is they keep producing.

[animus]

I've fallen behind on the new series, does anyone happen to know of a batch download for at least 20 to 30 episodes?

edit: Actually I realize this is a bad place to put this, a PM would suffice I guess?

[Penner]

Fuck yeah, ep 47 is out! Kurapika badassery!

[Uchiha Barles]

That was crazy good, but for some reason, I recall the original being more exciting. I'm gonna check that out now, not a bad way to spend a few minutes xD.

[Archangel]

Kyaa~~ Kurapika~

http://fireden.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/doushio1.jpg

[shinta|hikari]

Why is Kurapika not the main character of this story?

[gos27]

The artwork when Kurapica killed Ubo was amazing

[Archangel]

Why is Kurapika not the main character of this story?
He kind of was in the original anime, York Shin was all about him.

[shinta|hikari]

All the Gon build up and expectation better be worth it. If he does not outdo Kurapika, then what's the point?

[Uchiha Barles]

I'm actually glad that Gon isn't the strongest atm, less than a year after leaving the exam. I'm not sure if he's going to have a fight that's superior to this one though. This fight still stands as my favorite in the genre. Now, Kurapica's particular power kind of pissed me off originally. Like, they had *just* introduced the concept of nen mastery and how it works, and here we are with one of the main characters who has the power to break its rules. More than the chains and his restrictions on chain jail, that power allowed him to survive Uvogin's attacks and ultimately win. To make matters worse, he left that fight without a scratch. But I couldn't stay mad :o. Kurapica, vengeful warrior with a heart xD. He's way cooler than some other vengeful warrior we know in a much more popular yet highly inferior series...

And I absolutely loved the giddy look on Hisoka's face at the end there. It said he was very satisfied with himself for having made a worthwhile alliance, and that it was now just a matter of time before he got to fight Lucifer.

[Kraco]

Why is Kurapika not the main character of this story?

Especially Gon and to a lesser extent Killua are the traditional shounen heroes. Kurapika kind of feels like what the mangaka really would have wanted to tell about, but I can see various reasons why he opted to make Gon the primary one. Kurapika, as long as the spiders live, is quite one-sided in the end and his character development restricted to serve that one path, though naturally he still has humane sides to make him suitable for a hero. Nevertheless, he makes an excellent "fanservice" central character for single-minded, high-profile action.

With Kurapika destined to follow such a dim road, I can see why he would enjoy Gon and Killua's company, since those two are also absurdly strong yet don't have anything so pressing and cheerless weighing down on their shoulders. They can just wander and goof around without a worry. Well, more or less. I guess a lesser dude would worry with Killua's background but he seems to be taking it easy.

[MFauli]

Anyway.
Am I the only one who sees some kind of flaw regarding the power levels here? When Uborgin wonders if Kurapika has fully mastered several Nen-classes, what exactly does this mean? Are we lead to believe that Uborgin and Kurapika a truly at 100% of what is possible AT ALL with Nen?
That´s silly. And if it is indeed silly, there shouldn´t be a true mastery of any Nen-tree. Instead, it´d always be relative.

That was my only complaint about this episode. Animation was superb, though Gon vs Hisoka remains the best-animated battle so far.

[Splash!]

Anyway.
Am I the only one who sees some kind of flaw regarding the power levels here? When Uborgin wonders if Kurapika has fully mastered several Nen-classes, what exactly does this mean? Are we lead to believe that Uborgin and Kurapika a truly at 100% of what is possible AT ALL with Nen?
That´s silly. And if it is indeed silly, there shouldn´t be a true mastery of any Nen-tree. Instead, it´d always be relative.


I think the 100% is the efficiency with which they can use a particular type of Nen, not their level of mastery. More specifically, they can utilize the skills that they have learned in a particular category at maximum effectiveness. But that doesn't stop different Nen users of the same type from having a different degree of expertise. At the end of the fight, Kurapika determines that his enhancement abilities are just about enough to overcome the physical brawn of Uvo. This suggests that Uvo's mastery of enhancement alone is probably far greater than Kurapika's since he needed to use Chain Jail to forcefully activate Zetsu and seal up his aura before he could actually do any damage.

So Kurapika's specialization ability doesn't automatically make him a MASTER of all Nen types, it just removes any handicaps that normal users have in using skills outside their own class.

[DarthEnderX]

Kurapika, as long as the spiders live, is quite one-sided in the end and his character development restricted to serve that one path, though naturally he still has humane sides to make him suitable for a hero.Just imagine how one-sided he'll be once the Spiders are dead, and there's no one left he's able to use his powers on.

[Splash!]

Just imagine how one-sided he'll be once the Spiders are dead, and there's no one left he's able to use his powers on.

He wouldn't be able to use his conjured chain on anybody else, but his specialization ability isn't tied to the spiders. He could always move on to mastering other Nen types besides conjuration.

[TwisT]

Kurapica made that deal with himself because he dont care about his Nen once the Spiders are dead. He's probably gonna settle down and become a house wife, baking cookies all day long. And that is one of the reasons he ain't the main characters. He has no future beyond his revenge. Both Gon and Killuha has unwritten stories.

[DarthEnderX]

He wouldn't be able to use his conjured chain on anybody else, but his specialization ability isn't tied to the spiders. He could always move on to mastering other Nen types besides conjuration.Except his specialization ability only works when his eyes glow, and with the Spiders dead, he'd have a hard time working himself up into the emotional frenzy needed to make them work.

[Splash!]

I am sure there are plenty of ways he could get himself into a frenzied state if he actually had a motivation for doing so. Whether he cares about becoming stronger after he is done with the spiders is the bigger issue. Like TwisT said, he would probably be happier being a housewife baking cookies.

[Carnage]

I really enjoy how all the side characters have more complex stories and emotions than Gon. When the main character is so simple and provides a foil to the entire setting of the manga, its much easier for Togashi to draw the reader into a complex world without feeling convoluted. And whenever Gon does act serious, we are impacted much more than we would be for regular shonen heroes.

[Penner]

Episode 48 is out!

[Kraco]

I suppose Gon became a little more interesting with this episode focusing largely on pointing out Gon being a clear canvas for the colours of other characters to shine more brightly on isn't necessarily an all bad thing. If you look at it the way the apprivoise guy did, he's quite different by being so simple.

Next episode should grant them a good lesson on power levels, based on the preview.

[deathnightwc3]

You guys remember how I said I didn't enjoy Kurapika's story arch? Yeah, this new version makes me hate Gon X Killia X Leario episodes :P Get back to spider killing!

[enkoujin]

49 is out!

[MFauli]

This is just too awesome. The Spiders are Akatsuki done the correct way. Near-invincible monster, every single one of them, and impossible to defeat for the heroes by themselves. <3

And so much stuff going on at the same time. The next couple of episodes should be really fun.

[David75]

Thing is, every single strong one in the show, would be fairly invicible even without nen or other supernatural powers. Why? because they have the wits, some have experience etc.
Then they also happen to have incredible powers they can play with.
However, they also have flaws and weaknesses.

Something different about that show is that bad guys aren't necessarilly all that evil, like good ones aren't pure and saints.
Bad guys aren't dumb or totally fucked up in the head (well maybe Hisoka is... :D )
The troupe is great as even if they are incredibly strong as individuals, they still are able to work together as a group.
Even if that coop is limited, it clearly increases their efficiency.

Kurapika can't defeat them as a group right now, he'll have to wait for other people to kill some or to be able to team with others.

[Penner]

This show is just so good, it makes me feel the "awe" in the word awesome.

[Archangel]

I already pretty much know how this will turn out and yet i could still feel the tension. Well done Madhouse, a truly wonderful adaptation of one of my classical favorites.

[Kraco]

I already pretty much know how this will turn out and yet i could still feel the tension. Well done Madhouse, a truly wonderful adaptation of one of my classical favorites.

Yeah. You can tell the direction and the whole production is well made when that happens. I feel the same way.

[enkoujin]

Bad guys aren't dumb or totally fucked up in the head (well maybe Hisoka is... :D )


http://youtu.be/IFZQCbnEyMI

[animus]

Went back to watch the original TV series version of this scene. I have to say that the new rendition did a much better job at the tension build up, especially with the eye zoom-ins.

[MFauli]

No links please
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Continuing strong.
Only complaint I had: Is Nobunaga that slow? I thought all Troupe-members were lightning-fast, so it felt a bit off to me when Gon and Killua ran up to him and then managed to break through the walls to escape. At least breaking the walls should slow them down enough to give Nobunaga the time to react.

On the positive side, I need to mention how genius the writing here was regarding Killua, Pakunoda and Kurapika. This whole "I didn´t know who it was, but then an image popped up in my head"-thing that Killua said would be bullshit in any other anime. Here it feels right, believable. And the order in which things happened made it all the more exciting.

[Penner]

I'm curious about that dude with the boxing gloves who's wrapped in bandages, sup with him? :p

[Uchiha Barles]

No links please
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Continuing strong.
Only complaint I had: Is Nobunaga that slow? I thought all Troupe-members were lightning-fast, so it felt a bit off to me when Gon and Killua ran up to him and then managed to break through the walls to escape. At least breaking the walls should slow them down enough to give Nobunaga the time to react.

On the positive side, I need to mention how genius the writing here was regarding Killua, Pakunoda and Kurapika. This whole "I didn´t know who it was, but then an image popped up in my head"-thing that Killua said would be bullshit in any other anime. Here it feels right, believable. And the order in which things happened made it all the more exciting.

The scenes where Gon and Killua had just been caught by the ryoudan showed not so much the speed of the spiders, but their ability to read both Gon and Killua, and their quick response, enabling them to preempt anything their opponents tried to do. In the case where Nobunaga was guarding the two, Gon and Killua managed to trick him, and cause him to misread their intentions, reducing his ability to preempt their escape. He was mentally and physically set to stop a head on attack.

[Kraco]

I don't think Nobunaga is the brightest one in the bunch anyway. Or maybe that's not the right word. Let's say he's not necessarily guileful enough to expect the unexpected. He simply couldn't guess the attack wasn't an attack at all but a diversion. The same was proven again when he heard Gon shouting they can take him down together. He was fully prepared for a fight, instead of imagining it was nothing but another plot to lead him astray. I'm pretty sure some other members of Spiders would have read correctly Killua and Gon's real intentions in both cases. Nobunaga is too much a straight-forward fighter - as is natural for somebody looking like a samurai.

[David75]

Nobunaga closing the door was really fun. To me, that particular image was to tell us Nobunaga is more of a natural/action fighter than a clever one. Even the other troupe members were telling he's a one-on-one type. So having two clever little guys tricking him showed how lacking he is in those cases.

Killua and Gon breaking walls reminded me too much of the same trick they used during the Hunter exam. But after all, why not use the same trick when it works?

[Archangel]

Oh man, they STILL haven't changed the opening theme...? They just mix up some of the animation...

[DarthEnderX]

Watch out Killua! Don't let Barbara Streisand read your mind!

[Carnage]

Oh man, they STILL haven't changed the opening theme...? They just mix up some of the animation...

Animes generally change opening themes either once every 13 episodes for shorter series, or 26 episodes for longer shonen shows. We have 2 episodes to go.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, but they JUST made those changes to the intro this episode showing more of the Spiders.

I doubt they'd bother making that alteration if they were only going to use it for 3 episodes.

[Archangel]

Yeah, but they JUST made those changes to the intro this episode showing more of the Spiders.

I doubt they'd bother making that alteration if they were only going to use it for 3 episodes.
This. .

[Carnage]

I think theyve been making changes the entire season. Considering they changed the opening theme around episode 26, Im confident they'll stick to the tradition that every other shonen anime has been following for over a decade.

[Archangel]

I think theyve been making changes the entire season. Considering they changed the opening theme around episode 26, Im confident they'll stick to the tradition that every other shonen anime has been following for over a decade.
They didn't, it's been the same song from the beginning.

[Carnage]

Oh, they only changed the animation....my bad. It would be funny if they kept the same song for 100 episodes.

[Archangel]

Oh, they only changed the animation....my bad. It would be funny if they kept the same song for 100 episodes.
No it wouldn't, it would suck. >_>

[DarthEnderX]

Actually, I'm pretty sure they changed the song as well.

It's the same song, but a lot of the lyrics changed at the same time the opening changed.

[enkoujin]

51 is out!

Great last half of the episode.

[Buffalobiian]

Would you guys say I should watch this if I had seen the older series, or should I just wait until they finish the Greed Island arc, and just hop on from there?

[DarthEnderX]

I loved how the Requiem played all the way through the credits.


Would you guys say I should watch this if I had seen the older series, or should I just wait until they finish the Greed Island arc, and just hop on from there?Well, anyone that's still reading this thread to see your question has obviously deemed it worth watching again, so there's probably only one answer you can expect to get.

[deathnightwc3]

Personally, You can skip Karrapika or w/e storyarc and pick right back up at greed island arc and you won't miss much. Cause after that, it's pretty much Gon storyline for a LONG time.

[MFauli]

And once again, HXH re-confirms that it´s the best shounen-series. What a fantastic episode, and it´s only going to get better from here.

Favorite line: "The boss has a rule this time" - "what, a rule?" - "go ABSOLUTE crazy"

badass <3

[enkoujin]

52 is out!

[Archangel]

Hmm... i know that fight wasn't significantly important in terms of plot but it is one of highest level battles we'll ever get to see in HxH so i wish Madhouse would have animated it a bit better.

Not that it was badly animated, it was just pretty meh.

[Uchiha Barles]

As far as this week's episode goes, it's was freaking awesome. I enjoyed the fighting and Zeno's insta-analysis. Good thing Kurapica didn't get to go in there and die.


Would you guys say I should watch this if I had seen the older series, or should I just wait until they finish the Greed Island arc, and just hop on from there?

The two series are nearly equivalent. Specifically, some things are more exciting in the original, some things are more exciting in this version. I'd give the edge to the original series for the handful of filler episodes they had that were excellent to the point that you don't recognize that they're filler unless you've read the manga. However the superior animation in the second series is not to be ignored. Basically, if you're not a die hard fan, there's no reason to watch anything you've seen before up to this point. That may change in the future, but probably not.

[Buffalobiian]

Cool, thanks guys.

Guess I'll check in later.

[Carnage]

I'd give the edge to the original series for the handful of filler episodes they had that were excellent to the point that you don't recognize that they're filler unless you've read the manga.

I would figure any die-hard fan would want to skip the filler, thus making the second series better. I know I sure did back then.

[Uchiha Barles]

I watched the anime before reading the manga. When I read the manga, I thought the anime was better for the filler that was presented; not only whole episode filler, but also filler that occured within episodes. The filler in that series was really good at adding extra things that did not detract from the story, as well as fleshing things out that were relevant to the story. Filler does not automatically equal "bad".

[enkoujin]

53 is out!

[MFauli]

Great episode. Also wanted to say: Kishimoto totally got the "idea" for Uchiha and Sharingan from HXH and Kurapika and the Kurta clan.

[Uchiha Barles]

Great episode. Also wanted to say: Kishimoto totally got the "idea" for Uchiha and Sharingan from HXH and Kurapika and the Kurta clan.

Oh, he stole liberally, and without shame from hxh. The entire Chuunin Exam is a bastardization of the hunter exam, characters included.

[Carnage]

Oh, he stole liberally, and without shame from hxh. The entire Chuunin Exam is a bastardization of the hunter exam, characters included.

Akatsuki : Phantom Troupe
Chakra : Nen
Orochimaru : Hisoka
Kuripaka/Gon :Sasuke/Naruto

The list goes on and on.

[enkoujin]

54 is out!

[DarthEnderX]

Chakra : NenChakra, Nen, Reiatsu, Haki...it's all just Ki really.

[Archangel]

Akatsuki : Phantom Troupe
Chakra : Nen
Orochimaru : Hisoka
Kuripaka/Gon :Sasuke/Naruto

The list goes on and on.
Your reasoning makes my head hurt

Akatsuki : Phantom Troupe - Yeah, because HxH was the first series to introduce the concept of an evil organization

Orochimaru : Hisoka - And the concept of an antagonist

Chakra : Nen - Read Ender's post

Kuripaka/Gon :Sasuke/Naruto - Now you're just being retarded

[MFauli]

Arc, are you actually implying that Kishimoto didnt totally rip off HXH? Yes, single elements of story-writing occur in a lot of stories. But the similarities in this case are too blunt.

[Carnage]

Your reasoning makes my head hurt

Akatsuki : Phantom Troupe - Yeah, because HxH was the first series to introduce the concept of an evil organization

Orochimaru : Hisoka - And the concept of an antagonist

Chakra : Nen - Read Ender's post

Kuripaka/Gon :Sasuke/Naruto - Now you're just being retarded


You're usually smarter than this:

Akatsuki: Outlaws of opposite personalities traveling in pairs of two. Sound familiar?

Orochimaru: Because every antagonist introduced in an exam arc is obviously going to be a creepy pale-skinned pedo?

Chakra: Both chakra and nen gave way to more intricate abilities than Chi/Reitsu.

Kuripaka/Gon: Sorry I meant to type Killua/Gon. Yes the rivalry of the pure protagonist with his shrewd best friend is a common throughout shonen genre, but Gon's best friend having an obsessive relationship with a criminal older brother doesn't sound familiar? If not also coming from an elite mercenary family? Weren't the Uchihas the police of Konoha?

The entire chuunin exam arc was probably ripped off the Hunter Exam arc.

[Uchiha Barles]

And just in case all of that doesn't make things plain enough:

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