One Piece Episode 486

[Marik]

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[DarthEnderX]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!

[chambers]

ok so lets start the speculation over what is unique in teach...

there have been a couple of ideas i have read and the two most plausible is either that he ate some kind of cerebus fruit allowing him to absorb 2 other fruits powers or that his personality is split.

There isnt much evidence to suggest another fruit giving him this ability but there is perhaps more to suggest a split personality. In the manga whenever blackbeard is struck his tone changes to be so cowardly and afraid, in the anime this looks like hes just a typicall bad guy crying for mercy but, to me at least in the manga i felt like a really stark change and contrast. There is also the way he act so playfully somtimes like with luffy just before the skypiea arc and then vicisious other tims and cowardly liks stated above. There is also blackbeards flag, three skulls. Also he has been shown in the past to have three guns holstered in his belt.

It could also be that its an ability of the "D" blood line, remeber we still dont know why roger was the strongest man in the world and we dont know what powers dragon has either, its not totally inplausible to suggest that the D's habe a unique physcial or mental makeup that allows them this ability

[Assertn]

Yeah. I think being a D, he can get away with that sort of thing.

[neflight86]

Okay, I take it back... Blackbeard knew what he was doing, after all...

[DarthEnderX]

ok so lets start the speculation over what is unique in teach...

there have been a couple of ideas i have read and the two most plausible is either that he ate some kind of cerebus fruit allowing him to absorb 2 other fruits powers or that his personality is split.

There isnt much evidence to suggest another fruit giving him this ability but there is perhaps more to suggest a split personality. In the manga whenever blackbeard is struck his tone changes to be so cowardly and afraid, in the anime this looks like hes just a typicall bad guy crying for mercy but, to me at least in the manga i felt like a really stark change and contrast. There is also the way he act so playfully somtimes like with luffy just before the skypiea arc and then vicisious other tims and cowardly liks stated above. There is also blackbeards flag, three skulls. Also he has been shown in the past to have three guns holstered in his belt.

It could also be that its an ability of the "D" blood line, remeber we still dont know why roger was the strongest man in the world and we dont know what powers dragon has either, its not totally inplausible to suggest that the D's habe a unique physcial or mental makeup that allows them this abilityThat's a whole lotta speculation. Is that compilation of the various theories from the manga readers?

I really like the Cerebus fruit thing. If it was like...a Chimera Mythical Zoan fruit, and then, because it's like 3 animals in one, each other head could eat one additional fruit without exploding.

That would also give BB one of each type of fruit, a Zoan, a Logia and a Paramecia.

Would also explain why the scar Shanks got from BB looks like a huge claw mark.


Yeah. I think being a D, he can get away with that sort of thing.So if that's the case, then Luffy could also have multiple fruits?

[UChessmaster]

Blackbeard`s pirate flag symbol. (http://i46.tinypic.com/8xv2xk.jpg)

[chambers]

It is sure a lot of speculation but even in the anime, the events that take place after this war are so long and drawn out that we have not learnt anything substantial about blackbeard since this revelation, infact his only inclusion was a tiny 3 or so page long stint where we learnt nothing about blackbeard and he STILL showed he was a coward even with his new found powers.

It could also be the ability of the gravity fruit to "suck in" a power much like he sucked in the houses on banero island, its possible that using on hand blackbeard sucked in the gara gara fruit or power and is releasing it now over time. I wonder if we will ever see blackbeard use his right hand for the dark fruit again or if we will see somwhere other than the right hand producing the quake effect?

And id just thought id like to add for anime only viewers, this war STILL gets better!..........i know, hard to believe.

[DarthEnderX]

It could also be the ability of the gravity fruit to "suck in" a power much like he sucked in the houses on banero island, its possible that using on hand blackbeard sucked in the gara gara fruit or power and is releasing it now over time.That would be super broken. What would keep him from just taking anyone's fruit power?

I'm assuming he's keeping the Tremor Fruits powers permanantly. This was way too much trouble for him to take WB's power for just a couple uses.

[Archangel]

From chapter 225 (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.html)

And 350 chapters afterwards we finally get some clue as to the meaning of that particular line

[Assertn]

So if that's the case, then Luffy could also have multiple fruits?
The "D" thing would be having the luck to survive in situations where most people would have died. Blackbeard taking the tremor fruit was risky, and Shiryuu was even asking what would happen if he failed. Luffy's already been milking his luck since day one.


That would be super broken. What would keep him from just taking anyone's fruit power?
The same reason he waited for the darkness fruit in the first place. He is only willing to put everything on the line for the best abilities, and I doubt we'll ever see him try for a 3rd fruit.


From chapter 225 (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.html)
And 350 chapters afterwards we finally get some clue as to the meaning of that particular line

I'm pretty sure "they" means all the other random guys that were going around killing shit, whom later turned out to be Blackbeard's crew.

[Archangel]

I'm pretty sure "they" means all the other random guys that were going around killing shit, whom later turned out to be Blackbeard's crew.

That clearly wasn't the case, Nami was referring to BlackBeard in the singular and was corrected into using the plural.

"He probably knows sky island"

"Who is he?"

"It's not he, it's they."

Add to that his pirate flag and the latest developments and you can't but wonder what's Oda cooking up this time.

[Assertn]

That clearly wasn't the case, Nami was referring to BlackBeard in the singular and was corrected into using the plural.Yes, because Blackbeard's whole crew believed in it.
If you want to overcomplicate things then go ahead, but I'll leave it to Oda to choose whether he wants to give a more elaborate explanation towards Blackbeard's ability. Until then you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed.

[TwisT]

Well it doesn't have to be a fruit. Chimera exist even in us humans but mostly in animals that gives birth to many offsprings in one birthing. It's when two fertilized eggs fuse together to form one. Every part of that body will use different DNA blueprints. Like the heart can use egg A's DNA while the lungs take egg B's DNA. There will not be two people in the same body so split personality wont appear.

That is also why this is the strongest candidate for BB's condition. And the way they speak about him also sounds like it's Blackbeard's own body that is different and not a fruit. Also there is nothing about the Greek mythology beast Chimera that indicates that he should be able to absorb anything. And even if it's based on that he should be able to absorb 1 more (3 total). The Chimera fruit in itself should not count as one as that is the base and the 3 entity's should be able to absorb one each.

But if he can absorb one more, IMO he should go for Marco's. That generation is an awesome ability in itself and it would also offset any damage he would "draw in" from his darkness fruit. Also give him the ability to fly and almost logia-like properties. That way he would have one of each type too. But talk about broken. Who could beat that without using seastone?

[DarthEnderX]

That is also why this is the strongest candidate for BB's condition. And the way they speak about him also sounds like it's Blackbeard's own body that is different and not a fruit.It could be if he had a fruit the entire time they knew him and never revealed it. Especially a zoan. Maybe some of them could sense something weird about him, but if he never shifted forms, how would they know he had a fruit unless he fell in the water or something.

However, the problem with this theory that I see is, even if he ate a fruit that allowed him to eat multiple fruits, he didn't EAT a second fruit. He somehow extracted WB's fruit power from his corpse. That's a whole nother thing entirely.

Maybe though that's what the Darkness fruit is for. He used it to suck the fruit out of him or something.

[TwisT]

That's a thing i've been thinking about. What if he wasn't after the Darkness fruit? Maybe he had his eyes set on the Quake fruit but that was already eaten and he figured out that the Darkness fruit could extract it and that is why he waited for it. It was just a happy coincidence that the Darkness fruit was that awesome.

But of course the opposite can be speculated in. That he didn't know about the extraction part but learned it once he ate that fruit and then set his eyes on WB and his DF.

But personally i like it more if he had this all planned out from the beginning. Unlike a certain planner from a certain other manga, BB's planning feel right and believable. He didn't plan every single detail of everyones lives. He just set out his own path and what he needed to do to achieve his ultimate goal. Lay low until he gets his hands on the Darkness fruit, then set out and gain the warlord title, get crew members from Impel Down, then at some point challenge WB and gain his DF and probably take the emperor title. Ace coming after him was probably not in his plan, otherwise there would be no reason for him going after Luffy. And the Whitebeard wars was probably not in his plan but turned out perfect for BB since he faced a weakened and dying WB who was cut of from the rest of his crew.

I'd like him to have at least some thought about his own steps unlike Luffy who just wing everything. His planning consist of 3 steps. Starting point (become pirate and set sail) --> middle (find crew, make friends and have fun doing it) --> End (become pirate king).

[Penner]

Man i did NOT see that coming.

[chambers]

Now im actucally wondering was it stated that blackbeard killed thatch to steal his fruit? or perhaps it was alternative wording? It could be described that blackbeard killed whitebeard to steal his fruit, or you could say he killed whitebeard to steal his power. I wonder why we have been shown thatch, shown the moments leading up to thatches demise (im sure we saw this) but never any fight or clash between the two? perhaps this is HOW the whitebeards know blackbeard is different because of what happend to tatch?

Now THATS speculation ;)

[Kraco]

Akainu certainly is a tenacious fellow; still going after the comatose and at the moment harmless Luffy despite Blackbeard doing as he pleases and wrecking what's left of the island. The pirates should just throw him to the sea. He would melt the ice.

[Assertn]

Don't forget though, it really wasn't part of Blackbeard's plan to kill Whitebeard.
In fact, if Ace hadn't shown up, Blackbeard would've gone after Luffy instead, and the war likely would not have happened in the first place.

[DarthEnderX]

He probably just planned to kill Whitebeard later.

Or considering the situation, maybe his original plan was to just dig up Whitebeard's body after he died of natural causes.

[Marik]

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[FireEmblem]

Don't forget though, it really wasn't part of Blackbeard's plan to kill Whitebeard.
In fact, if Ace hadn't shown up, Blackbeard would've gone after Luffy instead, and the war likely would not have happened in the first place.

Had he killed Luffy, wouldn't Ace have fought with him anyway? (for even more reasons now) I wonder how different things would have been if BB hadn't met Luffy at all. I wonder if Ace would have considered running away (if he could) if he didn't have to worry about BB going to kill Luffy.

Though I think you're right about killing Whitebeard not being a part of his plan. Not yet anyway.

[Assertn]

Blackbeard didn't know that Luffy was related to Ace when he set out to capture him, though.

[FireEmblem]

Yeah I know, but I mean Ace would have caught up to Blackbeard anyway, right? After he had killed Luffy.