One Piece Episode 480

[Marik]

yibis - One Piece 480 - 720p (http://tracker.yibis.com/torrents/%5Byibis%5D_One_Piece_480_%5B720p%5D%5BAFE9F598%5D .mkv.torrent)
yibis - One Piece 480 - 400p (http://tracker.yibis.com/torrents/%5Byibis%5D_One_Piece_480_%5B400p%5D%5BE4F17B21%5D .avi.torrent)


Aon - One Piece 480 - 720p (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=181098) - DDL (http://www.fileserve.com/file/EK3JBZV)
HorribleSubs - One Piece 480 - 360p (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=180798)

[UChessmaster]

Yes! finally Fire Fist Ace is free and back in action, looks like Darth was right and that really was Mr. 3.

[neflight86]

I never expected Ace to get out of those handcuffs, much less Mr.3 to develop some shounen empathy. Also; is it just me, or does Sengoku's power seem kinda... lame. For a (the) fleet admiral, that is. I mean, even Luffy blocked his one-hitter-quitter and wasn't reduced to paste. Granted, it was hardly laboratory conditions, but I expected a far more imba power from Sengoku. Oh well. Still can't wait for the next ep.

[DarthEnderX]

FINALLY!!!

Oh there is gonna be such a beat down next week. Now the Whitebeards have a Logia too.

Mr. 3 is just pulling all the saves in this arc! Though I still have to wonder, if Luffy hadn't Haki's two episodes ago, was Mr. 3 just planning to execute Axe or what? I thought they'd address that in Mr. 3 rollback there, but they didn't.

Anyway, all that's left now is for Whitebeard to perform a Heroic Sacrifice so everyone can get away and for Ace to become one of the Emperors.


Also; is it just me, or does Sengoku's power seem kinda... lame. For a (the) fleet admiral, that is. I mean, even Luffy blocked his one-hitter-quitter and wasn't reduced to paste. Granted, it was hardly laboratory conditions, but I expected a far more imba power from Sengoku. Oh well. Still can't wait for the next ep.I thought it was a pretty lame power also, but then you remember he and Garp were considered about equal and Garp doesn't even HAVE a power. I'm guessing most of Sengoku's strength doesn't come from his fruit.

[Assertn]

I never expected Ace to get out of those handcuffs, much less Mr.3 to develop some shounen empathy. Also; is it just me, or does Sengoku's power seem kinda... lame. For a (the) fleet admiral, that is. I mean, even Luffy blocked his one-hitter-quitter and wasn't reduced to paste. Granted, it was hardly laboratory conditions, but I expected a far more imba power from Sengoku. Oh well. Still can't wait for the next ep.

Didn't you know? Only old people die in shounen anime.

I kinda imagine as far as Mr. 3's situation goes... he wanted to get himself to the scaffold, but he didn't really have a plan of what to do once he got up there, so he was kinda forced into just playing it by ear. Obviously Mr. 3 wouldn't have been capable of freeing Ace right there in front of Sengoku, and any deviation from instructions would've revealed him, too.

[UChessmaster]

I can imagine him using his candle stuff to block the attack on Ace or stabbing/attacking/inmobilizing the other guard instead of attacking Ace, that way, even if Mr. 3 doesn`t saves Ace, they would have to get more guards and dress them up, thus, giving the pirates some more time.

[Marik]

yibis - One Piece 480 - 720p (http://tracker.yibis.com/torrents/%5Byibis%5D_One_Piece_480_%5B720p%5D%5BAFE9F598%5D .mkv.torrent)
yibis - One Piece 480 - 400p (http://tracker.yibis.com/torrents/%5Byibis%5D_One_Piece_480_%5B400p%5D%5BE4F17B21%5D .avi.torrent)

[Kraco]

Finally! I was more than tired of watching Luffy running to the platform. It started to seriously look like some dimensional warp fruit user was keeping him from reaching it.

[Raven]

It's relieving to see Ace finally freed, but I gotta ask, why didn't the Admirals stop them? One was slightly busy with WB, but still, he could have stopped it pretty easily alone, let alone with the other two's help.

[Endrance]

One Piece recently has many holes like that and you can argue and speculate ten pages about such matters, which people like Darth Ender, UChessmaster or whoever would without a doubt do. But in the end there's really not much to argue. I mean, those episodes been awesome and all, but you can even expect a shonen to get basic stuff like this right. Even if you have to resort to invisible walls, that'd still be better than half of the strong combatants idling the majority of the time for no good reason whatsoever (not showing apparent battles is not an excuse, you have to at least give the viewer a clue why they aren't doing much or what exactly they're doing - I can imagine alot without proper indications, but that doesn't make the plot any better).

But well, be happy with what you got and learn from it. I'm currently into writing a story myself and watching anime like One Piece really already helped me avoiding major mistakes that'd make the whole world concept break apart. One Piece diehards just ignore logical holes like this by default, so better don't try to get into a discussion about such "trivial" matters. You'll be flamed and hated and then ignored.

[Kraco]

As far as I can see, Kizaru is the only admiral that could instantly reach a far away place. Ice and lava dudes would both need to simply run that incredibly long distance that took Luffy several episodes to cross. And Kizaru just happened to be the slightly busy one.

Besides, I don't think they expected the mastermind of the whole ambush to be so ineffective at stopping one half-dead pirate.

[Sentenal]

They don't interfere because the pacing has been dragged out alot compared to the Manga, where these events flowed much much faster than they have here. Additionally, everything that is happening in the war isn't always being show on scene. Like for example, what ever happened to Crocodile and Don Flamingo's fight? Obviously they did fight each other, but they simply chose to not show it. Same can be said about alot of stuff potentially going on. You never know who/what could have been holding up the Admirals, or if they would have even had a chance to interfere.

[DarthEnderX]

It's relieving to see Ace finally freed, but I gotta ask, why didn't the Admirals stop them? One was slightly busy with WB, but still, he could have stopped it pretty easily alone, let alone with the other two's help.Well, like Kraco said, Akainu and Aiokiji don't teleport so one presumes they simply weren't close enough.

Also, they could have simply assumed that without a key, the only thing Luffy could do up there is get his ass kicked by Sengoku.


One Piece recently has many holes like that and you can argue and speculate ten pages about such matters, which people like Darth Ender, UChessmaster or whoever would without a doubt do. But in the end there's really not much to argue. I mean, those episodes been awesome and all, but you can even expect a shonen to get basic stuff like this right. Even if you have to resort to invisible walls, that'd still be better than half of the strong combatants idling the majority of the time for no good reason whatsoever (not showing apparent battles is not an excuse, you have to at least give the viewer a clue why they aren't doing much or what exactly they're doing - I can imagine alot without proper indications, but that doesn't make the plot any better).

But well, be happy with what you got and learn from it. I'm currently into writing a story myself and watching anime like One Piece really already helped me avoiding major mistakes that'd make the whole world concept break apart. One Piece diehards just ignore logical holes like this by default, so better don't try to get into a discussion about such "trivial" matters. You'll be flamed and hated and then ignored.Wow. Way to be one giant, unprovoked dick.

[Splash!]

They don't interfere because the pacing has been dragged out alot compared to the Manga, where these events flowed much much faster than they have here. Additionally, everything that is happening in the war isn't always being show on scene. Like for example, what ever happened to Crocodile and Don Flamingo's fight? Obviously they did fight each other, but they simply chose to not show it. Same can be said about alot of stuff potentially going on. You never know who/what could have been holding up the Admirals, or if they would have even had a chance to interfere.

This is exactly it.

The anime has dragged out events in this war to make it seem like the admirals have been sitting around and doing nothing. In the manga, things were happening very quickly and simultaneously. For the most part, the admirals were busy with the higher squad captains and Whitebeard. Kizaru and Mihawk both made an attempt to stop Luffy's final charge but were blocked, and Garp's ineffectiveness is understandable. The only person I can't really defend is Sengoku. He should have done better.

This pace also makes it seem like Whitebeard has been standing still for long stretches . In the manga, he seemed most instrumental in holding up the admirals, engaging all 3 of them at different stages of the battle.

[Lucifus]

Absolutely agree with the above. They handled the pacing incredibly poorly in the anime.

The manga did these scenes just about perfectly with Whitebeard just being epic versus the admirals.

In these episodes, it looks like he just literally stands in one place until he has to move after a couple episodes, then stands there, and so on.

[UChessmaster]

Yeah, the fights flow could`ve been a million times better and less erratic in the anime, several stuff got skipped on the manga and i was hoping they would show it as a way to increase the length of the fight instead of this boring... thing they`re doing.


Wow. Way to be one giant, unprovoked dick.

Oh, don`t mind him, he`s just butthurt because we didn`t flamed the shit out of Bleach Back then. (http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php?t=18911)

[Endrance]

This is exactly it.

The anime has dragged out events in this war to make it seem like the admirals have been sitting around and doing nothing. In the manga, things were happening very quickly and simultaneously. For the most part, the admirals were busy with the higher squad captains and Whitebeard. Kizaru and Mihawk both made an attempt to stop Luffy's final charge but were blocked, and Garp's ineffectiveness is understandable. The only person I can't really defend is Sengoku. He should have done better.

This pace also makes it seem like Whitebeard has been standing still for long stretches . In the manga, he seemed most instrumental in holding up the admirals, engaging all 3 of them at different stages of the battle.
I don't read the manga, but it's good to have someone else apparently mostly objective posting here sometimes doing so instead of only those ignorant fanatics infesting episode threads week after week with their glaring rainbow brain farts.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't read the manga, but it's good to have someone else apparently mostly objective posting here sometimes doing so instead of only those ignorant fanatics infesting episode threads week after week with their glaring rainbow brain farts.
Yeah, it's totally crazy the way we don't watch a bunch of shows we apparently hate.

[Endrance]

Yeah, it's totally crazy the way we don't watch a bunch of shows we apparently hate.
I don't hate One Piece. I detest the way they've apparently implemented good manga material (the whole war) in the anime. Although it had some potentially epic stuff (I see how it could've been), nothing of it actually felt awesome. Wasn't even 10% of the CP9, Water 7, Arabasta or Sabaody Archipelago arcs. No goosepumps for me in the Whitebeard War. Well, maybe a little at the end of that one episode when Mihawk showed up in a cool way and the episode where the guy stabbed Whitebeard and he forgave him, cause he saw him as his foolish son. Don't get me wrong - I don't hate the anime, I just dislike recent implementations. They've stretched alot of things out before, but it never felt like having a huge impact on the plausibility (in a shonen way and basic stuff you must get right) of the plot. And if it did, then not on first sight or it didn't drain on the awesomess. This shit's been overly obvious and going on for a whole arc and just gave the atmosphere a real... moronic touch.

[Sentenal]

I can't really blame them for stretching it out, because there haven't really been any opportunities for them to stick in any filler arcs between where the anime is, and where the manga is now (unless they pull an lol-bleach-filler arc). Because there aren't really any places for them to cram the filler into, they have to spread it among the episodes. For anime only watchers, it is probably annoying, but for manga readers, alot of this is just manga stuff+extra material/filler (I won't complain if I get more stuff added like extra Smoker fighting, but some of the stuff like the Hancock gags are just too much).

[UChessmaster]

I don't read the manga, but it's good to have someone else apparently mostly objective posting here sometimes doing so instead of only those ignorant fanatics infesting episode threads week after week with their glaring rainbow brain farts.

The thing is, you`re just bitching at us for the sake of bitching, if you can find 3 "ignorant fanatics like me and DarthEnder" that claimed that the stretching was done in a good matter in this forums then i will eat my words right here and right now, otherwise, kindly shut the fuck up.

[Endrance]

I get why they stretch things, but I don't get why they're not to be blamed. Sure, it might be clever financially, but that still makes the anime worse. And I don't see nothin of that money, so from my position I blame them for creating garbage out of good material and insulting my intelligence. It's not just annoying, it makes the credibility of the plot suffer real bad. And that's never a good thing. This shit happens so often, especially in the gaming genre and I for one am getting annoyed by that quantity over quality attitude. Though as I said, it happened before in One Piece and didn't have the impact it had in the Whitebeard war arc. Alot of shit went wrong here.

@UChessmaster: Come again? Nobody cares about pathetic wannabe troll phrases. If you can't even troll properly, then shut the fuck up yourself and stick your head in a can of ice water to cool down a little. See? I can do that, too. It's not even hard. I've also never claimed that any of you ever said something positive about stretching (although I'd believe you at least implied it at some point to defend your favorite anime if someone told me). Where did you get that from?
You should learn your place. Members do not have the license of telling other members how to act. All I do is discuss, even if you might call it bitching, because you disagree for the sake of disagreeing. What you do is far more destructive, as all you do in one post is aggressive flaming. I can go along without that, but you apparently cannot. Some teasing here and there is fine, but you're just being pathetic. Getting too focused on personal matters in a discussion forum might get you a warning or even a ban, you know.

[UChessmaster]

Yeah, that`s cute, just what i thought you would say.


Nobody cares about pathetic wannabe troll phrases. If you can't even troll properly

Apparently you do since took the time to hit me with a wall-o-text.


Then shut the fuck up yourself and stick your head in a can of ice water to cool down a little.

No and i`ve no idea what a can of "ice water" is supposed to do, so i`ll pass on that too.


I've also never claimed that any of you ever said something positive about stretching. Where did you get that from?

I got that idea from the post i quoted and the one where you call me out.


Members do not have the license of telling other members how to act.


shut the fuck up yourself and stick your head in a can of ice water to cool down a little.

Oh the irony.

I`m done with the Off topic, please, continue to enlighten us with your walls and brilliant remarks comparable only to the finest Shakespearean writing.

Again, you can have the last word :D.

[Assertn]

To be honest, the only thing that really bothers me about this arc is how many deaths the whitebeard crew is willing to sacrifice just to prevent Ace's execution.

[UChessmaster]

That bothered me as well, what`s going to happen to all the dead whitebeards and allies, there`s also the possibility of some random pirates getting arrested, i doubt we will ever hear anything about them.

[DarthEnderX]

To be honest, the only thing that really bothers me about this arc is how many deaths the whitebeard crew is willing to sacrifice just to prevent Ace's execution.I don't think anyone has actually died so far.

I mean, sure, you get a ton of people getting thrown through the air by explosions and whatnot. But...well...you know...Pell.


I doubt Oars is even dead and he's clearly taken the worst beating.

Oh...and that marine Akainu melted. That guy is totally dead.


I can't really blame them for stretching it out, because there haven't really been any opportunities for them to stick in any filler arcs between where the anime is, and where the manga is now (unless they pull an lol-bleach-filler arc). Because there aren't really any places for them to cram the filler into, they have to spread it among the episodes. For anime only watchers, it is probably annoying, but for manga readers, alot of this is just manga stuff+extra material/filler (I won't complain if I get more stuff added like extra Smoker fighting, but some of the stuff like the Hancock gags are just too much).Same. I'm a pure anime watcher(or at least, don't read manga chapters till after they've appeared in the anime), and the only times this arc feels like it's dragged is during Hancock and Buggy scenes.

I just don't understand the attitude that if they aren't specifically showing what a character is doing at every given second, then that character must be standing around doing nothing. It's like they have no concept of what a swirling melee is.


Nobody cares about pathetic wannabe troll phrases.I like how the guy who attacked a bunch of board members about a topic nobody was even discussing is calling other people trolls.

[Sentenal]

I get why they stretch things, but I don't get why they're not to be blamed. Sure, it might be clever financially, but that still makes the anime worse. And I don't see nothin of that money, so from my position I blame them for creating garbage out of good material and insulting my intelligence. It's not just annoying, it makes the credibility of the plot suffer real bad. And that's never a good thing. This shit happens so often, especially in the gaming genre and I for one am getting annoyed by that quantity over quality attitude. Though as I said, it happened before in One Piece and didn't have the impact it had in the Whitebeard war arc. Alot of shit went wrong here.

@UChessmaster: Come again? Nobody cares about pathetic wannabe troll phrases. If you can't even troll properly, then shut the fuck up yourself and stick your head in a can of ice water to cool down a little. See? I can do that, too. It's not even hard. I've also never claimed that any of you ever said something positive about stretching (although I'd believe you at least implied it at some point to defend your favorite anime if someone told me). Where did you get that from?
You should learn your place. Members do not have the license of telling other members how to act. All I do is discuss, even if you might call it bitching, because you disagree for the sake of disagreeing. What you do is far more destructive, as all you do in one post is aggressive flaming. I can go along without that, but you apparently cannot. Some teasing here and there is fine, but you're just being pathetic. Getting too focused on personal matters in a discussion forum might get you a warning or even a ban, you know.
Then there must be no possible way to win with you. If you don't have any opportunities to add in filler arcs (like in this case), you either have to stretch it out, or you catch up to the manga. One can have its effects mitigated to an extent, the other is disastrous. Its the nature of the beast with anime adaptations of still-running manga. Why should we blame the anime for taking the less disastrous route? Then again, I'm arguing with a master troll who succeeded in turning a Bleach episode discussion into a FF7 discussion, so maybe I should just cut my losses here and stop.

[Neniuntaill]

hey. I can't wait to be a part of this community

[TwisT]

On the topic of sacrifice for Ace release, it's because the Whitebeard pirates rules. If you touch one of them they will come for you. The Marines are no exception. So it was a matter of principal. Either they did nothing and their own reputation and name would be hurt by it or they could do what they did now. Also Ace was a very loved one among the entire crew. The entire crew seems determined to lay down their lives if needed.

From a tactician's point of view it would have been better to sacrifice Ace to continue to be strong. But for a pirate crew that's like a family, saving Ace is the only choice that exist. I respect the Whitebeard crew for showing that they're not all talk and they not only enforce their rules against weaker pirates and marines like a bully, but also against those bigger then them self.

[Endrance]

Yeah, that`s cute, just what i thought you would say.
I could go that route, too. But it's way under my level claiming things I cannot prove.


No and i`ve no idea what a can of "ice water" is supposed to do, so i`ll pass on that too.
It's supposed to say "icy water". Small typo. Still, it's funny to see someone being fussy about grammar, when that guy just posted a sentence like this "Apparently you do since took the time to hit me with a wall-o-text." and is generally the member with the most grammatical errors in his posts on this forum.


I got that idea from the post i quoted and the one where you call me out.
I see where you got it from, I was asking how you got that out of it, since at no point I've said anything about you claiming that stretching is good.


Oh the irony.
What I posted was supposed to be ironic and everyone can see that. But thanks for repeating the obvious Mr. Grammar.


I`m done with the Off topic, please, continue to enlighten us with your walls and brilliant remarks comparable only to the finest Shakespearean writing.
I bet you are. Running away is all you do after being done with your flame post having no content other than that, but I'm not letting you get away just like that.



I like how the guy who attacked a bunch of board members about a topic nobody was even discussing is calling other people trolls.
I've called him a pathetic wannabe troll, to be exact. And I'm generally the guy seeing important issues others aren't. Don't see anything wrong with posting them.


Then there must be no possible way to win with you. If you don't have any opportunities to add in filler arcs (like in this case), you either have to stretch it out, or you catch up to the manga. One can have its effects mitigated to an extent, the other is disastrous. Its the nature of the beast with anime adaptations of still-running manga. Why should we blame the anime for taking the less disastrous route? Then again, I'm arguing with a master troll who succeeded in turning a Bleach episode discussion into a FF7 discussion, so maybe I should just cut my losses here and stop.
If you would be so kind and check this again, you would find out that I was just making a comparison. Darth Ender was the one who started the distraction and kept posting false information. Although I was leading the discussion later on, I wasn't the one who started it. Still, I don't see anything wrong with that. The most interesting discussions are the unintended and I could find out alot about Darth Ender's and other members behaviour and thinking in general.

Also there are ways to avoid catching up or destroying the plot by stretching or adding in bad fillers. Producing viable filler episodes by adding in content that actually has some kind of quality isn't any harder than keeping the story going. We've seen good fillers before, so we know it's not impossible. It's also possible to calculate accurately before releasing an anime. Hell, it would even have been possible to actually fill logical holes with um... some logic. They just did a very bad job at all of it in this arc.

[Kraco]

UChessmaster made an excellent and valid point, though: It'd be strange if the marines don't capture any pirates during this confrontation, assuming the whole place won't get levelled and the pirates win. But that seems somewhat dubious. Looking back at this whole operation, I don't think the Whitebeards demonstrated overly good planning and strategy all in all. It would be strange if their escape plan, then, would be so excellent that every lowly deck scrubber gets away.

From a strategic point of view saving a man of Ace's calibre and standing (an officer, to use military terms) is of course much more important than saving some nameless thug. Also, like has been said before, what would their whole army stand for if not for taking action when action is needed? It's no cold war since nobody has Plutons or other doomsday machines.

Edit: The next one to continue the stupid trolling war gets an extra vacation. Grow up, dudes. In this world you won't always get the last word.

[TwisT]

Well you have to remember that they are pirates. It would feel strange if they had better strategy prowess then the marines that is basically the one and only military in this world. Sengoku is supposed to be the most feared strategist we have heard of. And he has home field advantage.

Also Sengoku raised the claim of Whitebeard trying to make Ace the Pirate King. It's been a common theme that most of the old big name pirates from Rogers era look for the newer pirates to have their own era and that their role is now more of support. So if that is true then that would make even more sense why Whitebeard is prepared to sacrifice this much for Ace. Even though Marco has higher rank, he don't strike me as a Captain. He is more of a follower. And i bet that is what WB thinks too. Marco would be a good leader, but Ace will be a great leader. Ace have demonstrated a strong will many times and he has the same kind of charisma that Luffy exudes.

[Belial]

the marines that is basically the one and only military in this world.

each county has it's own army / military... remember the alabasta war ? the current government vs the rebels... Wapol had his own army too, they just turned pirates when Blackbeard came (there were plenty of other kings in that vivi flashback too)

the marines just have the biggest army that "control" the whole world, well except maybe for the revolutionaries who are trying to free other counties from the marine oppressors and operate world wide too fighting wars in all counties

And you have to remember that pirates fight the marines all the time and other counties too when they come ashore as well as each other, and the WB pirates are at the center of it all being one of the 4 biggest groups fighting for control of the New World witch is the biggest battlefield there is... so they should have plenty of experience / strategy