The Legend of the Legendary Heroes

[Kraco]

They aren't even trying anymore to make the last few eps count. This was so random you'd think it was based on some end of the volume omake. If not for the last minutes.

No matter how much the adventure and fantasy fan inside me likes the vague notion of what this show could have been, I can't really be satisfied with what it turned out to be in reality. Quite a disappointment all in all.

[Buffalobiian]

They aren't even trying anymore to make the last few eps count. This was so random you'd think it was based on some end of the volume omake. If not for the last minutes.


I thought this was one of those "dream of an ideal world that I must wake up from" type of episodes, but the ending proved that everything was, in fact, real. (Including Ferris's indirect confession of love and all).

How the hell did we go from the previous episode's abduction by Ryner's dad, the mysterious JE(?) imprinted on his chest, to this? (Froade organising a birthday party?)

I am simply, utterly confused. And not in a good way.

PS: Gastark and Kiefer didn't even make it into this episode.

[Shadow Skill]

Don't forget less time was spent on the legendary relics and alpha stigma. It's like they decided at episode 3 "OK lets make this a romance instead of an action anime". :P

[Marik]

Derp - Legend of the Legendary Heroes - 24 - 720p (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=180520)

[Buffalobiian]

Does ANYONE understand this?

[RyougaZell]

Ryner is a Satan of Loneliness, that is why his Geass... errr... Alpha Stigma can be stopped from going berserk.

Ferris' brother made Sion into the Dark Hero... who needed to 'eat' the Satan to be powerful.

Sion couldn't kill him... but then took his human experiments to war, leaving the series unfinished.


What's so difficult to understand?

[Buffalobiian]

Ryner is a Satan of Loneliness, that is why his Geass... errr... Alpha Stigma can be stopped from going berserk.

I get the legend stuff. Just the whole "party" thing and the "wake up after four hours sleep" sequence in episode 24. Continuity seems to be off - along with how they just completely dropped the "E" sign on his chest, and the significance of his dad stabbing him.




Ferris' brother made Sion into the Dark Hero... who needed to 'eat' the Satan to be powerful.

Lucile is apparently the Weaver of all Equations (but shouldn't that exist in the Dark Hero then?).

As for eating Ryner.. was that the reason why Sion wanted to kill him? I never quite understood how killing Ryner was going to save him from walking through eternal darkness, unless it's like "kill him or eat him".

[shinta|hikari]

It's kill him (he just dies) or eat him (he suffers eternally).

[Buffalobiian]

It's kill him (he just dies) or eat him (he suffers eternally).

Cool.

Then, the two Sions debating with each other about killing Ryner were actually trying to save him? I don't think I'll get this straight without rewatching.

[shinta|hikari]

The Sion that tried to kill Ryner wanted to save him. The Sion that was arguing with that one wants to eat Ryner.

[Buffalobiian]

The Sion that tried to kill Ryner wanted to save him. The Sion that was arguing with that one wants to eat Ryner.

What's weird is that the one who wanted to save him was saying he wasn't going to kill him, while the other one was telling him to kill Ryner (from memory).

[David75]

Epic schyzophrenic yaoi soap :eek:

I think I understood most of it. Except as Buff I can't really follow the timeline when Ryner wakes Sion up... unless it was a dream telling the events before they happen, and then we switch back to after the events and Ryner waking up in his cell.

Open ending, just in case there's enough sales for a second season.

I wonder what will remain of Gastark's king in the end, lauching nuclear size attacks here and there, costing him body parts each time.

[lelouch]

Okay....what?

I am hoping maybe some of my questions can be answered here, but by the looks of it, no one else seems to understand either.

1) Someone asked earlier what the significance of Ryner's dad stabbing him was. In addition to this question, where did we learn that was his dad?

2) What is that thing in Ryner's inner world that ate that random black haired woman?

3) Okay so... weaver of all equations... is Lucile...? Isn't the weaver of equations supposed to only have half of a body? Or be a part of the dark hero? Was Lucile always the weaver of all equations, or was his body taken over? It sounded like it was a voluntary thing, where did Lucile find this demon to put in his body?

4) Does anyone else find it obscenely disturbing how characters like Claugh, his blonde metro-sexual friend, and Milk were made out to be as nice and virtuous as "Good-guy characters" can get, yet we see them mercilessly slaughtering other nations alongside an army made from human experiments in a war that they don't bother asking why is happening?

4) After the pink-haired guy died (the guy who uses light beasts?) It shows a messenger coming to the King of Gastark telling him something, and he smiles. Why did he smile?

5) Someone please explain to me that dream/flashback thing

6) If Ryner is Roland's greatest magician, why is Izuchi the only spell he knows and why does he have so much difficulty always defending himself. I have never seen him actually win a battle, and it can't be excused by "he never tries" because he is been in every possible situation, whether it be for fun, to test someone's strength, to keep a promise or to survive. He always loses.

7) Just what faction is Tiir a part of? Is there a third faction? It makes it really hard to root for any faction in this series. One is a nation that runs human experiments and is trying to take over the world. Another is another nation that kills little girls to rip out their eyes, also to take over the world. The third seems to be a renegade group of rejects who are led by a vampire-looking fellow who mercilessly slaughters villagers.

8) What happened to Arua?

9) So... Lucile is the weaver of all equations... Ryner is the solver of all equations... Then what is Sion? Wasn't there just two demon monster things? (The hero and the lonely demon?)

10) When the two Sions were arguing with each other, it seemed like the original Sion wanted Ryner to live and said that he will not be killed. Now it is reversed. I don't get it.

Yet for whatever reason, no matter how much this show makes no sense what so ever, it is somehow my favorite of the year... Go figure.


I want to buy the light novel series. Any idea if it's translated and where I can get it?

[fireheart]

I don't know any of these answers really just writing down my impression on some of them.


1) Someone asked earlier what the significance of Ryner's dad stabbing him was. In addition to this question, where did we learn that was his dad?

Don't remember properly but think they never said it out right he just happens to look like the dad in the flashback Ryner had about his mom and dad and some hints here and there like the things he said.


2) What is that thing in Ryner's inner world that ate that random black haired woman?

Well wasn't that random thing Alpha? Also think the random black haired woman is suppose to be his mom.


4) Does anyone else find it obscenely disturbing how characters like Claugh, his blonde metro-sexual friend, and Milk were made out to be as nice and virtuous as "Good-guy characters" can get, yet we see them mercilessly slaughtering other nations alongside an army made from human experiments in a war that they don't bother asking why is happening?

Not really Milk wanted to know about Rolands darkness and subsequently accepted it. Also they're soldiers, they may not want to go to war but they're aware of what's happening around them with Gastarks invasion be imminent so rather than waiting they went on the offense. Besides they probably talked to Sion before the war just that they didn't include it in the episode, not to mention their faith in Sion.

And think about it those human experiments won't die so that means that there'll be less casualties on their side while they can protect everything that Sion has built up rather than let it all be destroyed when Gastark invades them. So it makes sense that it's the most efficient way to protect Roland with the least casualties on their side.


4) After the pink-haired guy died (the guy who uses light beasts?) It shows a messenger coming to the King of Gastark telling him something, and he smiles. Why did he smile?

I don't know if it was the light beast guy didn't look at it properly, anyway I figured the message was about Kiefer hence why he smiled.


6) If Ryner is Roland's greatest magician, why is Izuchi the only spell he knows and why does he have so much difficulty always defending himself. I have never seen him actually win a battle, and it can't be excused by "he never tries" because he is been in every possible situation, whether it be for fun, to test someone's strength, to keep a promise or to survive. He always loses.

Because he's always been up against unfair odds? We've never really seen him one on one with a great magician it's been platoons of soldiers ambushing them, users with heroic relics, undead army that can't die etc. As for why Izuchi probably because he deems it to be the most harmless/less lethal magic he has.


7) Just what faction is Tiir a part of? Is there a third faction?

Yes I'd think so

[Buffalobiian]

answers

I agree with all of them. The pink haired guy who died was the one who used lightning beasts, yes.



3) Okay so... weaver of all equations... is Lucile...? Isn't the weaver of equations supposed to only have half of a body? Or be a part of the dark hero? Was Lucile always the weaver of all equations, or was his body taken over? It sounded like it was a voluntary thing, where did Lucile find this demon to put in his body?

Sion = Dark Hero
Weaver of Equations = Lucile?(he answered that spirit lady's call) = the half of the Satan of Loneliness that Dark Hero devoured.

Solver of Equations = Ryner = the half of the Satan that was left initially.

During the episode where they showed Lucile killing his parents to save Ferris from being raped, they mentioned that he acquired some abnormal power. Ryner noticed the same thing when he visited his house too.

I believe this answers Question 9.


10) When the two Sions were arguing with each other, it seemed like the original Sion wanted Ryner to live and said that he will not be killed. Now it is reversed. I don't get it.

I have the same question.


Perhaps the best thing I like about these turn of events is that Ferris's and Ryner's relationship is chugging along at a very healthy pace. Sucks that I couldn't get a look at her new outfit though. :( It promises to be even yummier than the previous ones.

[miyama_ryu]

I agree with all of them. The pink haired guy who died was the one who used lightning beasts, yes.


I thought it was just some random spy from Gastark. If it was really that lightning beast guy then I feel a little disappointed. I was looking forward to the showdown between him and Tiir. Well at least Kiefer gets to keep the powerup for her up coming battle with Ferris?

[fireheart]

The pink haired guy who died was the one who used lightning beasts, yes.

I checked the episode again and no it's not him since he's seen standing with the army behind Refal for maybe a second or less.

[Buffalobiian]

I checked the episode again and no it's not him since he's seen standing with the army behind Refal for maybe a second or less.

Fair enough. I was mistaken.

[Kraco]

I refuse to believe any publisher outside of the Oreimo universe would publish anything this messy, which means this anime was just ruined on its own. It's like after the sensible beginning (that ended up having nothing to do with the rest of the show) they took 10% of the material and skipped 90%, resulting in this terribly mess of story telling.

I didn't honestly enjoy very much the latter half of this show.

[Board of Command]

Sense... this series made none.

[Archangel]

I'm not so sure the novels aren't just as messy seeing as the translation efforts are being put only for the novels which the anime didn't cover.

It's like if i only gave you season 1 of higurashi or the first 3 episodes of FLCL, you wouldn't have any idea what da fuck was going on either. If anything you should blame Japan for not giving the anime a chance to develop the story any further.

[Board of Command]

The best part was then Kiefer just showed up out of nowhere after 2 years, does something to help (??) Ryner escape, then they both just run off. That topped it off for me.

[Archangel]

Not to mention she apparently ran all the way there :P

[Kraco]

No wonder she could shake off the guards. She probably already runs faster than a horse.

[shinta|hikari]

And for much longer too.

[ACTIVAOG35]

Since there is no season 2 so far for this anime does any one know where I can find the manga online? I keep coming up with "The Legend of the Legendary Heroes Vol.01 Ch.000: Starting Legend " which is basically like the first epi.

[Buffalobiian]

The best part was then Kiefer just showed up out of nowhere after 2 years, does something to help (??) Ryner escape, then they both just run off. That topped it off for me.

She tried. She was the one who nailed two guards with elemental spirits (I'm guessing she now possesses a ring like Froade). While she cut through the front, Ferris came from the back and bailed Ryner out before she could.

When she saw Ryner and Ferris make it across the bridge, she destroyed it to stop their pursuers, and stayed to create a diversion.

I say that's helping Ryner escape plenty.

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Never mind. Misread "something" as "nothing".

[ACTIVAOG35]

Any one?

[Archangel]

Any one?
There is no manga, only a series of light novels that are being translated into english by a group of fans. It's a work in progress, nothing concrete just yet.

[Dark Dragon]

Just finished watching the series.

I read some spoilers for the novels and it seems that the series end the story at the perfect place. A lot of stuff that was really confusing like Keifer showing up out of nowhere actually makes a lot of sense if you know what's going to happen next.

Anyhow, they set it up really well for a second season so i really hope that there's a chance it'll be made despite bad DVD/BD sales.

[Munsu]

Just began watching this, and am up to episode 5 right now. So far really enjoying it, hope it keeps up through the rest of it. Give me anything with graphic violence and you'll win me over it seems. The massacre of the classmates was awesome.

[NeoCybercoin]

The early episodes were the best. Kinda goes downhill afterwards for me.

[Munsu]

Forgot to mention that I finished this last week, in all I really loved this series. It was surprisingly violent as heck, and I loved all of it. Some nice characters, a good enough plot to keep me engaged waiting for the next massacre at it was. The seeming abrupt twists towards the end diminished it a bit, but mostly because of pacing and lack of sequels to keep the story going.

Doubtful that we get more content animated, but I'd be ecstatic if it did. Really really enjoyed this one.

I've never read LNs, but might give the translations a try at some point.

[shinta|hikari]

Good luck with the LNs for this one lol.

[Munsu]

Good luck with the LNs for this one lol.

Hard to find or poorly translated? Or just plain shitty content?

[shinta|hikari]

The writing style is absolutely horrible. The author is famous for it.

His characters are amazing though.

[Munsu]

The writing is absolutely horrible. The author is famous for it.

His characters are amazing though.

I read a lot of Urban Fantasy from shitty authors, so this shouldn't be that much different I'd imagine.

[shinta|hikari]

Sample:

Chapter 1 - The Moment When The World Completely Transformed

“I love you ♡.”
A sudden confession.
“......”
However, Ryner Lute was doing his best to ignore that.
“Heey heey Ryneer ♡ I loove you ♡”
He was told again.
“......”
Like before, Ryner said nothing.
A young man who wished he could sleep for ten thousand years, having black hair and equally sleepy-looking black eyes, Ryner Lute.
Just next to the tall and lean figure with a slightly stooped posture clearly lacking in motivation, came the voice again.
“Hey Ryyyneeer ♡”
What a sweet feminine voice.
“......”
Ryner stubbornly continued to ignore that voice.
To be more precise, he hardly had any time to respond to that lovely voice.
The reason was because, from behind them,
“Hey! Stop right there!”
“Fugitives! Don’t think that you guys can escape us so easily!”
“They are criminals anyway! Let's just kill them!”
The shouting came from dozens of pursuing mage soldiers right behind the duo.
One after another, glowing magical symbols were drawn into the air, and without warning, a hole appeared on the ground where Ryner’s foot had stepped just a split second ago.

“Uwah!?”
BAM! Another hole appeared!
“Waaaaaah!?”
BAM! Another!
“Gyaaaaaaaaa!?”
Ryner yelled out while just barely dodging the successive magical attacks.
“That was bad! That was REALLY bad! If I were a tad slower, my right foot would have been gone......”
BAM!
“Owa owa owa! Hey you guys, don’t you think that using such dangerous magical attacks in the middle of the night is troubling the neighbourho......”
BAM!
“Gyaaaaaaaaa damnnn! You guys have better F***ING remember this!!!”
He was yelling and running at the same time.
Running with every ounce of strength he had.
That was how tense the situation was.
And in that kind of situation.
Following just right behind him was a girl who spoke again,
“Heeey heeey listen to this Ryneeer ~ ♡ I would really love to eat dango (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dango) ice-cream now ♡.”
“......”
But, as before, Ryner just kept on running without paying any attention to that.
“Seriously ♡ just the two of us running on the streets, it somehow feels like a date, don’t you think ♡”
“......”
“Now, now, Ryyyneeer! You should already be looking at me ♡”
“......”
“Hey hey hey, why don’t I tell you about how I really feel ♡”
“............”
“Well, this is actually my secret, you see. I've already reached the point where I can’t live without Ryner ♡ Oh, I’ve gone and said it......!”
At that instant,
“YOU ARE SO ANNOYINGLY NOISYYY ARGHHHHHH!!”
He reached his limit and turned his head around.
Behind that sweet voice, somewhat contradictory, was an emotionless and expressionless face of a beautiful woman, following close behind him.

[Buffalobiian]

That sucks hard man. I'd never read that shit.

There's no art to his writing at all.

[Munsu]

That sucks hard man. I'd never read that shit.

There's no art to his writing at all.

By the same token, I don't know how much that is shitty writing or simply shitty translation with lack of editing.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm betting it's to do with the original author. If it's shitty translation, someone can easily jump on to edit. If it's screwed at the source there's not much for you to do. Shit in -> shit out.

I'm willing to accept that the fragmented, stream-of-consciousness style might work work better in Japanese though. Haikus sound weird in English after all.

[shinta|hikari]

It's the author. There is an entire section in Baka-Tsuki (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Mokushiroku_Arisu#About_the_Kagami _Takaya_style) explaining how his writing style sucks.

Despite that, I love his work.

[Munsu]

It's the author. There is an entire section in Baka-Tsuki (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Mokushiroku_Arisu#About_the_Kagami _Takaya_style) explaining how his writing style sucks.

Despite that, I love his work.

Well, Baka-Tsuki aren't going to blame themselves for the seeming subpar portion :P

But yeah, I'll take their word for it. We'll see how that goes if anything, as I said, never really been interested in LNs to this point.

[shinta|hikari]

It's not really hard to read. You just question yourself WHY you are reading it at some points lol.

[Archangel]

You suck Munsu, i thought they'd announced a second season when i saw this thread updated.

[Munsu]

You suck Munsu, i thought they'd announced a second season when i saw this thread updated.

Well, nothing we didn't know already.