Fuck crunchyroll

[Cal_kashi]

damnit it all... (http://dattebayo.com/pr/134)

What do all men with power want? More power.

[Kraco]

I don't even know why Crunchyroll would want a show like this...

[redcat]

whatever. someone else will pick it up like what happened with naruto

[Shadow Skill]

I like DB's fansubbing but I'll watch whichever group takes over. Petitions arent my thing and I never saw a point to them, since 90 % of the time they fail.

Whoever takes over, I hope they go back to leaving Japanese names of attacks and characters untranslated. DB translating attack names kind of made the subs for that part boring.

[Sapphire]

I always get a twisted glee when I see groups like HorribleSubs. I anticipate something like HorribleSubs/CrunchySubs happening for Bleach.

But you have to hand it to CR for adapting and crushing everyone in their way. Legal venues have really (finally) found a way to compete with fansubbing. The only problem is the official translations suck and are fugly. If only speedy/shitty didn't win over quality/enjoyability!

I still think fansubbers could find a way to fight back though, innovate somehow competition wise the way the legal market is doing, if half of them didn't think that it was dying.

[Sabrac]

i don't like this business of Db dropping bleach. They provide me with quality subs, speedy releases, great karaoke, and accurate translations. They're a good group except when they drop shows and leave people hanging. Weather the law is forcing them shouldn't matter considering fansubbing is technically illegal anyways.They should just continue. I will end up watching whoever picks it up however i doubt i will watch anything that DB puts out in the future because they just end up lettting me down by dropping the shows that I love.

[Jessper]

i don't like this business of Db dropping bleach. They provide me with quality subs, speedy releases, great karaoke, and accurate translations. They're a good group except when they drop shows and leave people hanging. Weather the law is forcing them shouldn't matter considering fansubbing is technically illegal anyways.They should just continue. I will end up watching whoever picks it up however i doubt i will watch anything that DB puts out in the future because they just end up lettting me down by dropping the shows that I love.

They don't drop it because it is now "more illegal" they drop a show because there is a legal alternative. They are not out to be the pirates on the interseas. Instead, they are just giving people access to shows that they would have no other real way to get with reasonable quality.

There should be some level of respect for them in that they are not thieves, surely that is still amiable this day in age?

Regardless of what happens, there will be alternatives, I wouldn't worry too much.

[Kraco]

i don't like this business of Db dropping bleach. They provide me with quality subs, speedy releases, great karaoke, and accurate translations. They're a good group except when they drop shows and leave people hanging. Weather the law is forcing them shouldn't matter considering fansubbing is technically illegal anyways.They should just continue. I will end up watching whoever picks it up however i doubt i will watch anything that DB puts out in the future because they just end up lettting me down by dropping the shows that I love.

They provided you with "quality subs, speedy releases, great karaoke, and accurate translations" for many years completely for free, yet now they had the audacity to drop the show and even outrageously provided you with a reason that's insolently consistent with their earlier actions with Naruto. Truly a despicable provider of free service. I'm sure they are just too stupid to realise they are obliged to keep laboring for free as long as the leechers deign to get their releases.

Give them a little break, man. Whether they decide to drop a show or not is 100% their business. That shouldn't affect at all how much your enjoyed their releases as long as they lasted (which was pretty long indeed).

[depthcharge]

Robin hood, except I dont particularly like Russell Crowl.

[Dark Dragon]

i don't like this business of Db dropping bleach. They provide me with quality subs, speedy releases, great karaoke, and accurate translations. They're a good group except when they drop shows and leave people hanging. Weather the law is forcing them shouldn't matter considering fansubbing is technically illegal anyways.They should just continue. I will end up watching whoever picks it up however i doubt i will watch anything that DB puts out in the future because they just end up lettting me down by dropping the shows that I love.

You shouldn't be watching DB release anyways. The fansub community argument for years has been the need to get their anime in a timely manner. Studios are actually trying to do this and provide foreign fans with subbed anime FOR FREE. This is not the kind of service that many industry are willing to provide FOR FREE, especially for fans that doesn't directly purchase their products. Now how about anime fans show some actual backbones and support the people that makes the products they enjoy.

I see popular mainstream anime getting pre-subbed as a good thing. This free up these fansub groups to maybe pick up other more obscure series that might never get an English translation otherwise.

[Archangel]

Awww, does that mean no more shitty 170M encodes?

[Buffalobiian]

Awww, does that mean no more shitty 170M encodes?

Nah, it means more.

DB had to actually sub it.

Now everybody can come up with their own CrunchyRip.

[Archangel]

Nah, it means more.

DB had to actually sub it.

Now everybody can come up with their own CrunchyRip.
I'd wager that even crunchy rips would look better than the shit DB puts out every week

[Cal_kashi]

My fear is that, eventually, the prevalence of streaming will make archival difficult, especially for the more popular shows. Freeing up fansubbers for obscurer anime is great but I would choose it to not be at the expense of shows I'm more likely to watch, and watch more times. Originally I was concerned this could happen to Bleach, and then I watched 272 and don't care anymore, but those are gripes for a different thread. At the very lease I'm glad I got us talking about the dynamics of fan-subbing. Dark Dragon brings up a good point that these companies ever offering anything is pretty cool of them, though I disagree that foreign viewers give them nothing in return. We help spread the word, we get others excited. I doubt Naruto would have been as well received in the US had internet anime nerds like us not already absolutely fallen in love with it. In exchange for our beloved anime, we serve both as a barometer for what has potential to do well in foreign markets (or more importantly what will certainly suck), and we provide the mythical word of mouth advertising that these companies would kill for.
Are we spoiled? In as much as technology has made acquiring and viewing anime easier, absolutely we are. However, I think if the day comes that only only streaming is available, I think the net impact for the anime producers will be negative.



I'd wager that even crunchy rips would look better than the shit DB puts out every week

Don't hold back Archangel, tell us what you really think. ^_^

[Archangel]

Don't hold back Archangel, tell us what you really think. ^_^
I hate both bleach and DB so this thread is like a 2 for 1 :)

[Cal_kashi]

I hate both bleach and DB so this thread is like a 2 for 1 :)

If you hate it, why hang around? Generally when I avoid subjects that anger me and move on to things that give me happies. I'm sure you've your reasons, and I'll bet they're along the lines of keeping yourself informed and involved in our spectacular community (Seriously, I love you guys and have enjoyed all my years here). So i'm snarkily curious why drop into bleach?


\Alternative reasons, I suspect you may be a masochist.

[Archangel]

If you hate it, why hang around? Generally when I avoid subjects that anger me and move on to things that give me happies. I'm sure you've your reasons, and I'll bet they're along the lines of keeping yourself informed and involved in our spectacular community (Seriously, I love you guys and have enjoyed all my years here). So i'm snarkily curious why drop into bleach?


\Alternative reasons, I suspect you may be a masochist.
Nothing as complicated as that, i rarely watch the anime anymore and read the manga so i can have a jolly good time ranting on how worse it gets each chapter

You should read the bleach manga section for some good laughs, there hasn't been a single positive thing said about a chapter in years

[Cal_kashi]

Nothing positive eh? That's not true. We were all happy with Gin for that one chapter, until he sucked the next one. And we ARE all hoping Aizen kills everyone... But yeah, it's been downhill since the chapter 271 was based on. blegh. And great response, you';re doing it for the lollz

[DarthEnderX]

I don't even know why Crunchyroll would want a show like this...Yeah, cause Bleach is such a different show than Naruto...


My fear is that, eventually, the prevalence of streaming will make archival difficult, especially for the more popular shows.Buy DVDs.

[Cal_kashi]

Buy DVDs.

ahhh haha ha ha, no.

[Sapphire]

I was thinking that fansubbing's strong points would be for archival purposes.

So people would watch shitty CR rips for immediate satisfaction and go back and archive the slower but better fansubs if still interested?

[DarthEnderX]

ahhh haha ha ha, no.Then you don't really like the series that much, so why bother archiving it.

[Cal_kashi]

Then you don't really like the series that much, so why bother archiving it.

Well I'm all about buying the manga. But I can't get myself to support Viz and funimation.
I hate the way that they water down the series to make it more accessible to younger and broader audiences. So, I really rely on teh fan subs to get the experience I want.

[Archangel]

Well I'm all about buying the manga. But I can't get myself to support Viz and funimation.
I hate the way that they water down the series to make it more accessible to younger and broader audiences. So, I really rely on teh fan subs to get the experience I want.
Lol, you're so full of shit... it's fine to admit you're just not willing to fork up the money you know?

[Cal_kashi]

Lol, you're so full of shit... it's fine to admit you're just not willing to fork up the money you know?

You can be as antagonistic as you want but it doesn't change how I feel, if money was the issue I wouldn't buy the manga.

[Sapphire]

I would happily buy some smut, but apparently they don't sell that in America?!

Okay I was lying I wouldn't buy smut, but I would read it at the bookstore. If someone sees me doing it, doesn't that count as IRL exposure? XD

I see Cal's points though. While raping the original product might please the moms and dads of the west, it can't be doing much for the hardcore fans who are actually willing to cough up a lot of money for merchandise. The happiness is almost mutually exclusive.

[Carnage]

Lol, you're so full of shit... it's fine to admit you're just not willing to fork up the money you know?

Hey man, calm the fuck down. I agree with Cal_kashi, they do water down the translations so that the series are enjoyable for younger audiences. It's not a matter of money, I'm still want to buy all the volumes of One Piece, but I do enjoy the translations in the scanlations a good deal more.

[Marik]

ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-06-02/crunchyroll-to-simulcast-bleach-tv-anime) | CR (http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-636343/bankai-bleach-coming-to-crunchyroll/)

It's official.


All episodes will be available to all viewers, with the latest simulcast episode available for Premium Members one-hour after TV broadcast in 480p and 720p, then available for all viewers one week later.

For subtitles, since BLEACH is already licensed by VIZ Media in the US, VIZ Media will continue to provide the official translation and subtitling for the newest episodes as well.

Starting next Tuesday, June 8th at 2:30am PDT (yes that's AM), the latest arc beginning with episodes #266-#273, and the latest simulcast episode #274 will be available for Premium Members. Tentatively, the following week on June 15th, episodes #270-#274 will be available to all viewers, and the latest simulcast episode #275 will be available to Premium Members. Every Tuesday at 2:30am PDT, we'll be adding the latest simulcast episode immediately after Japan TV broadcast, and one week later for all viewers.

[Cal_kashi]

well, fuck.

[Penner]

Oho, it says there that they are going to show it in 720p quality, if so, i'm ok with it ^^

[Archangel]

Oho, it says there that they are going to show it in 720p quality, if so, i'm ok with it ^^
It still only broadcasts in SD so it will just be an upscale

[Penner]

Awww, now it sucks again.

[Dark Dragon]

Well I'm all about buying the manga. But I can't get myself to support Viz and funimation.
I hate the way that they water down the series to make it more accessible to younger and broader audiences. So, I really rely on teh fan subs to get the experience I want.

Then why don't you support crunchyroll by purchasing their service? You are aware that some of the money goes back to the creator yes?

I think Divine from RandomC sum it up best (http://randomc.net/2010/06/02/crunchyroll-secures-rights-to-simulcast-bleach/)

The anime industry is suppose to be in a rather bad shape right now also. (http://randomc.net/2009/11/23/more-on-the-anime-industrys-turmoils/)

[RyougaZell]

I haven't seen a Bleach episode in like 40 episodes... so... whatever.

[Archangel]

I haven't seen a Bleach episode in like 40 episodes... so... whatever.
Dude it's liek so awesome now, you should totally watch those 40 episodes right now

[RyougaZell]

Dude it's liek so awesome now, you should totally watch those 40 episodes right now

I won't fall for your kuboing.
Bleach's canon parts are worse than their filler ones.

[UChessmaster]

I won't fall for your kuboing.
Bleach's canon parts are worse than their filler ones.

He`s right though, seeing the magnificent Arrancar arc bringed to life by only the best of the best artist out there brings a nerdgasm in me each and every second, i am of course, kidding.