Toaru Kagaku no Railgun

[Marik]

http://home.comcast.net/%7Esupergotenks/rg.jpg

Alternative titles:
とある科学の超電磁砲（レールガン） (Japanese)
科學超電磁砲 (Chinese (Taiwan))
어떤 과학의 초전자포 (Korean)
A Certain Scientific Railgun (English)

Type: TV
Episodes: 24
Producers: J.C. Staff
Genres: Action, Comedy, SciFi, Seinen, Super Power
Duration: 24 min. per episode

Summary: The To Aru Kagaku no Railgun side story is based on Kamachi's original story set in Academy City, a city where about 80% of its 230,000 citizens are students. The story deals with the adventures of Misaka Mikoto, one of the Level 5 psychics in the To Aru Majutsu no Index light novels.

Links: Official Website (http://www.project-railgun.net/) | Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10706) | Anime DB (http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=6460) | MyAnimeList (http://myanimelist.net/anime/6213/Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun/)

TV Releases by Mazui:

Episode 01 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_01v2_143A0A6F.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_01v2_XviDC408DCA9.avi.torrent)
Episode​ 02 - ​HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_02v2_C1073458.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_02_XviD6023C494.avi.torrent)
Episode 03​ - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_03_E7AD6F57.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_03_XviDC5764DCB.avi.torrent)
Episode 04 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_04_F9E68ACA.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_04_XviD2CD4F1FC.avi_.torrent)
Episode 05 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_05_5E31FA3E.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_05_XviDE9F1648D.avi.torrent)
Episode 06 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_06_3C31EA74.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_06_XviDF13069D0.avi.torrent)
Episode 07 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_07_D0494691.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_07_XviDAA2792FC.avi.torrent)
Episode 08 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_08_671ADFDF.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_08_XviD0EEC1E4B.avi.torrent)
Episode 09 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_09_CB8AD079.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_09_XviD80D36399.avi.torrent)
Episode 10 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_10_94C1EFAC.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_10_XviD02FB7D08.avi.torrent)
Episode 11 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_11_742F2B63.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_11_XviD0F035B50.avi.torrent)
Episode 12 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_12_BFEEEA3E.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_12_XviD89A57799.avi.torrent)
Episode 13 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_13v2_54AB9810.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_13_XviDE665AE86.avi.torrent)
Episode 14 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_14_9C67EFA2.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_14_XviDDF5D733E.avi.torrent)
Episode 15 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_15_B203CD03.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_15_XviD2971154B.avi.torrent)
Episode 16 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_16v2_1DD575E1.mkv_.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_16_XviDBB03F391.avi.torrent)
Episode 17 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_17_8B3B6CD8.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_17_XviDDFD98EA2.avi.torrent)
Episode 18 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_18_6162CA17.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_18_XviD9579C3F3.avi.torrent)
Episode 19 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_19_3F0150BD.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_19_XviDBCE82C81.avi.torrent)

[Buffalobiian]

It's here?! Nice, but I'll try to hold out a little while longer in case Eclipse pops out a HD version.

[Ryllharu]

After all the hype the series has been given, I can't hold out, and in terms of translation, Ayako is more than adequate for viewing. The video quality was sub-par, and if I'm not mistaken that was an Olympics message shrinking the screen.

I do like that the series has more of a focus on the espers, and even goes into detail about some of the rubrics they are tested by, instead of more of the outsider looking in viewpoint that Index had with the protagonists being either magical or from the general administration's viewpoint , completely "worthless" (Touma). Seeing the variety of tests they take was interesting given the total esper abilities out there.

Of course, the real star is Kuroko. Between her absolute obsession with making Mikoto her love-slave, and her 180 personality switch when it comes to Judgment work, I think she outshines the title star. Kuroko might not win in terms of destructive power, but she is definitely the one to watch out for, given her demeanor. She is not afraid to use her power, and integrates it seamlessly into her physical prowess.

I do wonder how Saten-san will play into the story.

I loved seeing Kuroko shocked at the end when Mikoto's patience finally ran out.

[RyougaZell]

It's here?! Nice, but I'll try to hold out a little while longer in case Eclipse pops out a HD version.

Agreed. Low quality simply fails.
But I guess someone just had to post the thread.
I'll too shall wait for Eclipse to release a better version.
Heck, even Ayako themselves state a better version will be aired in two days. The only available versions where crap.



A Certain Scientific Railgun – 01 – released!
Posted on October 3rd, 2009 by SpiegelEiXXL

rg01_001_23879

“There was this… quality control thing… wasn’t there?”

Yes dear fags and watchers!

This season we gonna do Railgun! Thanks to our inability to get a raw .ts provider any time soon we have to use some shitty 2nd hand raw. We gonna release a v2 with MBS, prolly, since the MX one contains a olympic info blendin, so… well, it airs 2 days later, so we gotta have to live with it.

[Ryllharu]

The video quality didn't matter to me as much. The audio was more than adequate, and Satomi Arai's (Kuroko) performance was lovely in every way possible. Well over half the humor in the episode is all her anyway.

[RyougaZell]

The video quality didn't matter to me as much. The audio was more than adequate, and Satomi Arai's (Kuroko) performance was lovely in every way possible. Well over half the humor in the episode is all her anyway.

While I completely trust on your judgement Ryll... this series is just one I can't watch unless its in HD... yes... Im spoiled... but I guess I'll do anything for Mikoto.

Yes... I'm screwed.

[Kraco]

I watched Mazui's version (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_01_F88007AF.mkv.torrent) and the video quality was decent enough. If it was an upscale, it certainly wasn't from a bad source.

The first funny scene was the not overly subtle suggestion that fans buy CDs even if they downloaded (legally) the music first. Must certainly be desperate times for the studios when they sacrifice artistic values for scenes like that. Not that I particularly minded, though, as I considered it only funny.

Not such an amazing episode otherwise. It gives me an impression this series might not possess an exceelingly deep larger plot at all. But then again, even the Magical Index didn't really have one either. Maybe this will be a slice-of-life show, who knows. I liked To Aru Majutsu no Index so much because of Touma's interaction with the other characters so I'll have to see how much I can like this show without Touma being there (other than in the background doing nothing). Since I have little interest in yuri, Kuroko's antics aren't that interesting for me personally.

[Archangel]

We're sure that eclipse is picking this up right?

[Ryllharu]

Since I have little interest in yuri, Kuroko's antics aren't that interesting for me personally.It is the dichotomy between her antics and the cold, confident, authoritative, and strategic side that make her so amusing.

I wouldn't really categorize them as yuri either, since Kuroko pushes it way too far. She planned to drug Mikoto with aphrodisiacs and take her to a love hotel after all. Even Kanako in Maria+Holic wasn't that bad.

[Marik]

She planned to drug Mikoto with aphrodisiacs and take her to a love hotel after all. Even Kanako in Maria+Holic wasn't that bad.
Haha, I loved that part. The way she had everything planned out in her notebook was just great.

I enjoyed the episode as a whole, but I really can't stand Kuroko's voice. She kind of sounds like a old hag instead of a young female student and I can't help thinking of Peke every time she speaks.

[Yukimura]

This first ep didn't pull me in as much as I thought it would, I think that like Kraco I was missing Touma's presence as well as a sense of a larger plot. While I am certainly a fan of yuri the idea of Kuroko x Mikoto doesn't do much for me either. For one I tended to see Mikoto as a gender-neutral character, which is to say if the character was exactly the same but male and I don't think it would affect my feelings or impression of the character that much. Additionally, I pretty much got used to Kuroko's genki/obsessive personality back in Index and it seems somewhere between neutral and annoying to me at this point. I'm much more interested in Kuroko when she gets serious against her enemies, I love her ruthlessness as well as her powers and how she uses them. The jury's still out for me on the two new girls but their first impressions didn't leave much of an impression at all.

[RyougaZell]

We're sure that eclipse is picking this up right?

Eclipse has been removed from the fansub wikia regarding Railgun. And from lurking in the chat room it seems they lost several translators.

Thus, I went for Mazui's version. Don't know about the translation, since I don't know Japanese, but it didn't read wrong. The video quality was great as well. As Kraco already mentioned, it was good enough to watch.


I like the small changes done from the manga to this adaptation. Im still a Mikoto-tard... but I think I'll soon become a Kuroko-tard as well.

Saten and Uiharu were already on Index opening videos. Funny enough, thats their only appearences at Index. Im glad to finally see them interacting in the story.

Anyone knows how long this will be? I hope for 26 episodes.

BTW...
Am I imagining things... or was Shakugan no Shana there at 15:00?

I also love the fact that the opening had an inverted scene from Index's opening. Touma passing besides Mikoto, who is giving her back to us, before Kuroko jumps on her. The scene is replicated from Mikoto's perspective this time around.

[fireheart]

No you weren't imagining things, think there's suppose to be characters from Toradora in the line as well when Mikoto falls to the ground. If I'm not completely off Touma is suppose to make a couple of appearances, not sure if it's suppose to be him before the mind thingie or after though.

[Archangel]

I like the small changes done from the manga to this adaptation. Im still a Mikoto-tard... but I think I'll soon become a Kuroko-tard as well.

BTW...
Am I imagining things... or was Shakugan no Shana there at 15:00?

I also love the fact that the opening had an inverted scene from Index's opening. Touma passing besides Mikoto, who is giving her back to us, before Kuroko jumps on her. The scene is replicated from Mikoto's perspective this time around.

Yeah, those changes make it alot more entertaining for those of us who have already read a bit of the manga

... how the hell did you catch that? It's half of her and she's backwards! Did you analyze every render of the episode? :p

That wasn't the opening it was the ending, and a damn good ending too.


I've only read like 5 chapters but i think Touma does make at least 1 appearance. Personally i hope it's more than that, i know that this is supposed to be all about Misaka but without her tsunderism she's just not as entertaining

[RyougaZell]

I was re-watching the scene because I wanted to see Mikoto despair over not getting the frog keychain when Shana catched my eye. And the girl besides her is the big breasted girl that is the rival of Shana, whatever her name was.

I don't see anybody from Toradora though, as fireheart pointed out.


The sequence was indeed at the ending, but it will be the opening song following next week's episode. 'only my railgun'

While I like that Mikoto got mad because the guy kicked Saten... there is just something I miss from having Mikoto zap the guy just because he dropped her crepe on her clothes.

[Archangel]

I was re-watching the scene because I wanted to see Mikoto despair over not getting the frog keychain when Shana catched my eye. And the girl besides her is the big breasted girl that is the rival of Shana, whatever her name was.

I don't see anybody from Toradora though, as fireheart pointed out.


The sequence was indeed at the ending, but it will be the opening song following next week's episode. 'only my railgun'

While I like that Mikoto got mad because the guy kicked Saten... there is just something I miss from having Mikoto zap the guy just because he dropped her crepe on her clothes.

Haha yeah, she blasted him to kingdom kong while saying it was self defense

At 15:17, i think the 2 first guys on the row are from ToraDora

I think i'll enjoy watching this, but i'm hoping it ends asap so the studio can get cracking on that Index sequel

[Board of Command]

I watched Mazui's release and it was pretty bad. I really hope there will be some better group for this series. It would be a travesty for Mazui and Ayako to be the only choices.

[Archangel]

I watched Mazui's release and it was pretty bad. I really hope there will be some better group for this series. It would be a travesty for Mazui and Ayako to be the only choices.

Their raws are always shit but the Tl isn't half bad

[Ryllharu]

That wasn't the opening it was the ending, and a damn good ending too.
As RZ pointed out, it will indeed be the OP, and while I read it somewhere else first, I definitely recognized Sugoi Sugoi-chan from CANAAN as the singer.

[Board of Command]

Their raws are always shit but the Tl isn't half bad
I thought the video was fine. It was the lack of editing/qc that really bugged me. Grammar mistakes galore.

[Buffalobiian]

I thought the video was fine. It was the lack of editing/qc that really bugged me. Grammar mistakes galore.

Perhaps you can convince SFW to pick this up. ;)

[Board of Command]

Believe me, I tried. The guys would rather compete with gg on Kampfer...

[RyougaZell]

In a separate development, the first episode of the To Aru Kagaku no Railgun anime series included a shower scene that ran this past week in several different versions throughout Japan. Several stations showed the scene with added "steam" to conceal the characters' bodies during the shower scene — with some stations showing more steam, and others using less steam or none at all. The anime adapts Motoi Fuyukawa's To Aru Kagaku no Railgun (A Certain Scientific Railgun) manga, which is itself a spinoff from Kazuma Kamachi's To Aru Majutsu no Index (A Certain Magical Index) light novels. Other television anime series in the past have been shown with levels of editing that varied with each local station.



From ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-10-05/funimation-streams-uncensored-strike-witches-episodes)

I LOLed

[Kraco]

Yeah, I saw it on Sankaku where the article contained a collection of pics of the scene from different raws. Some were truly ridiculous showing little but white. Fortunately there still are less hypocritical TV stations supplying the subber groups with material like the studio intended.

[Archangel]

Well i kind of understand, there was some massive groping going on in there haha

[KrayZ33]

isn't there supposted to be a HQ version out now.. I want to start watching this too :(

[Archangel]

isn't there supposted to be a HQ version out now.. I want to start watching this too :(

Eclipse isn't picking this up so i would go with Mazui for now if i was you

[Buffalobiian]

A Certain Scientific Railgun?

I vote for A Certain Predatory Siscon!

Kuroko outshone Misaka as a character. Though techinically she "compliments" the protagonist Misaka, you can just as easily say Misaka provides a target for all of Kuroko's fantasies.

Her powers are amazing too. Even if she doesn't reach Level 5 with ultimate precision and range, all she has to do is master some dart-throwing techniques and increase her teleportation speed. Imagine her rapidly teleport around the battlefield letting off projectiles while simultaneously dropping some from above. You'd have your hands full dodging them already, let alone looking out for her sweeping kicks from below.

Her only problem is the lack of lethality in her attacks, which explains why she has to pin them down first.


I was re-watching the scene because I wanted to see Mikoto despair over not getting the frog keychain when Shana catched my eye. And the girl besides her is the big breasted girl that is the rival of Shana, whatever her name was.

The hair colour was off, but otherwise it could have been her.

PS: The OP is pretty catchy. I was afraid they'd use another Kawada Mami song. Index's OPs by her weren't good at all.

[Archangel]

The hair colour was off, but otherwise it could have been her.

PS: The OP is pretty catchy. I was afraid they'd use another Kawada Mami song. Index's OPs by her weren't good at all.

It is her Bill, in her school uniform

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7493/shakugannoshanaova.jpg

[Buffalobiian]

Perhaps I should have specified then.

"The shade of hair colour was off."

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3315/grab21608.jpg

You can almost say that (^) brown looks slightly red.

[Archangel]

Lol, don't be picky :p

It's still obviously her with that hairstyle and hairpiece

[Ryllharu]

[Kuroko's] only problem is the lack of lethality in her attacks, which explains why she has to pin them down first.
I don't think that is a problem at all. She is just too disciplined and proud of being on the side of good and order to do otherwise. She even said that she would teleport a needle into the guy if he didn't behave. She can transport herself anywhere, and objects at about the size of an air conditioner 78 meters with pretty good accuracy when she's, "not her best." So, if she's 50 meters away, suddenly her opponent has a large metal box where their torso is supposed to be.

I don't think Misaka is the one everyone should be afraid of, deep down Mikoto is a really good person. Kuroko doesn't kill because as a member of Judgment, just like any constable, she is not supposed to.

[Archangel]

I don't think that is a problem at all. She is just too disciplined and proud of being on the side of good and order to do otherwise. She even said that she would teleport a needle into the guy if he didn't behave. She can transport herself anywhere, and objects at about the size of an air conditioner 78 meters with pretty good accuracy when she's, "not her best." So, if she's 50 meters away, suddenly her opponent has a large metal box where their torso is supposed to be.

I don't think Misaka is the one everyone should be afraid of. She doesn't kill because as a member of Judgment, just like any constable, she is not supposed to.

But there are limits to her ability such as only being able to teleport 2 people at once, so although teleportation seems like one hell of an ability we have to remember that she is still binded by certain rules.

That said, if she did manage to become a level 5 i think she would be up there with accelerator in terms of lethal power

[Buffalobiian]

She even said that she would teleport a needle into the guy if he didn't behave. She can transport herself anywhere, and objects at about the size of an air conditioner 78 meters with pretty good accuracy when she's, "not her best." So, if she's 50 meters away, suddenly her opponent has a large metal box where their torso is supposed to be.

Her teleportation accuracy test was at a still target. I'm not sure how much time or concentration it would take her to perform at that level of accuracy, so I didn't count 78 meters as the practical range just yet.

While Kuroko is much more scheming than Misaka, and probably darker at heart too, she's relatively composed and bound by her status as Judgement, like you mentioned before. Misaka, on the other hand, doesn't have to answer to all those other limitations, and, while she's good at heart, gets pissed much more easily than Kuroko.

She mightn't kill you, but an insult deemed tolerable by Kuroko may earn you a painful and/or shocking experience brought to you by Academy City's third strongest esper.

PS: Also, Misaka's ability is more suited for attacking multiple enemies than Kuroko's is right now.

[Archangel]

Didn't we already have this discussion in the Index thread?

[Buffalobiian]

Didn't we already have this discussion in the Index thread?

If we did, was a conclusion reached? (no sarcasm intended)

[Archangel]

I remember we having discussed about her teleportation powers before at least, about how she added speed to the pins

Then people wondered off about how awesome teleportation powers are and listed a bunch of possibilities, which is why i said that if she's still a level 4 is because there must be some limits to her abilities

[Buffalobiian]

I remember we having discussed about her teleportation powers before at least, about how she added speed to the pins

Then people wondered off about how awesome teleportation powers are and listed a bunch of possibilities, which is why i said that if she's still a level 4 is because there must be some limits to her abilities

From the testing done, I came to the conclusion that your level is how well you can exercise your powers.

The example we were given had their Levels decided using quantitative measurements:

e.g.:

Reading cards of varying materials and thickness
Max range/mass and accuracy of teleporting objects
Initial velocity of projectile

Everybody has "limits" to their abilities, which stops them being all-powerful. Even Accelerator's limited by his computation ability (which would rarely come into play unless he had to do something obscure).

These "limits" could also be arbitrary rules like what's suggested regarding Kuroko. I actually wonder if the 2-people-max could be changed so easily. (The three things that she seems to be able to improve on are range/mass/accuracy. )

[shinta|hikari]

I think computation comes into play more often than one thinks. I think that Kuroko does not merely think of teleporting something somewhere, but also has to consider the mass, complexity (like humans), exact location of origin, and exact location of destination. This makes it extremely difficult to attack moving targets.

For Accelerator, I think he computed practically everything he programmed his power to do, including how much force he wants to add/subtract and what exact direction the vector should go.

[RyougaZell]

That said, if she did manage to become a level 5 i think she would be up there with accelerator in terms of lethal power

I wouldn't go that far. Accelerator can still create his own power, based on grand calculations for which he has the brain it seems... whereas Kuroko still depends on what is around her to act. She needs to touch the object/person to teleport... so if the rival doesn't allowed her to touch she could not teleport him/her.

[Archangel]

I wouldn't go that far. Accelerator can still create his own power, based on grand calculations for which he has the brain it seems... whereas Kuroko still depends on what is around her to act. She needs to touch the object/person to teleport... so if the rival doesn't allowed her to touch she could not teleport him/her.

Doesn't that go for accelerator as well? He can't manipulate a vector that is not there, meaning that his only choice for attacking are either projectiles or physical contact ( well, that and the plasma )

Same deal with her, should she be have objects to project or is able to make physical contact she pretty much has the fight wrapped up. Not only that, by being able to choose the direction from which to strike she can pretty much guarantee at least 1 critical hit against any opponent who doesn't know about her skills, Touma style

Obviously this is all hypothetical, should she be level 5

[Marik]

[Mazui]​ To​ Aru​ Kagaku​ no​ Railgun​ - 01v2​ - mkv (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_01v2_143A0A6F.mkv.torrent) | avi (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_01v2_XviDC408DCA9.avi.torrent)

v2 released, albeit rather late, but it's got a bunch of fixes and little less harsh styling so go get. No patch because a different raw was used.

[Archangel]

321 megas? Fuck yeah!!

Hope they keep this up, this is not a show i'll want to watch with speedsubs and bad raws

[RyougaZell]

Holy. Im getting this version when I go home for lunch... hopefully I'll watch it tonight.

For 3rd time...

[Ryllharu]

I remember we having discussed about her teleportation powers before at least, about how she added speed to the pins
I don't recall what conclusions we drew, but Kuroko gave us an enormous hint in the extent of her powers reach in this episode.

Mazui v1, 5:10-17. "I don't want you comparing your ability to mine. After all, 10 dimensions are a whole different story from 3."

If Kuroko can truly transport across 10 dimensions, that means she can affect time, physics, and states of matter when she becomes strong enough, by sending objects through dimensions that operate with different sets of laws than our own.

Once she can actually achieve that, I think she'll be quite near Level 5. She seems to be training for reliability rather than her true potential, which is smart considering she teleports herself and people all the time, and you wouldn't want anything going wrong, would you? Maybe that is why she is stuck at Level 4. She's also a first year.

[Archangel]

How do you she was referring to her own abilities and not the ojou-sama's powers?

@below: Makes sense, i'll roll with it

[Ryllharu]

Because Kuroko was saying it with pride, as a way to strike back at the insult that the ojou gave her about how she is horribly inaccurate. She was giving an excuse for why what she does is so much more difficult, and therefore why she might not appear as skilled.

[Marik]

[Ayako] A Certain Scientific Railgun - 02 [HQ] [H264] [6A47877A].mkv (http://a.scarywater.net/ayako/%5BAyako%5D%20A%20Certain%20Scientific%20Railgun%2 0-%2002%20%5BHQ%5D%5BH264%5D%5B6A47877A%5D.mkv.torre nt)

[Ryllharu]

A very Kuroko heavy episode. I loved it, because she is completely insane, but consider this a warning if you're not a big fan of Kuroko.

[Archangel]

Ayako is better than Mazui right?

[Buffalobiian]

Ayako is better than Mazui right?

I honestly don't find Mazui bad, but if Ayako releases HD from now on, I'll follow them.

[digitalrurouni]

I had never heard of Ayako fansubs but I will give them a shot especially since it looks like the 2nd episode is out in HQ from them.

[Buffalobiian]

I had never heard of Ayako fansubs but I will give them a shot especially since it looks like the 2nd episode is out in HQ from them.

I'm surprised you haven't. They've got a fairly big list of works.

http://www.baka-updates.com/groups/info/name/Ayako

[RyougaZell]

Ayako is better than Mazui right?

Main problem with Ayako is they abandon projects halfway.

I was downloading Valkyria Chronciles from them and they abandoned it after half the series.

Also the fact that their first episode was released only in SD. Or at least I didn't see an HD version from them.

I'll wait for Mazui.

[Archangel]

Indeed i'll be archiving Mazui as well. Even with my rudimentary knowledge on the Japanese language i managed to find some mistakes with ayako's release anyway and if what you say is true i hate to switch subbers halfway anyway

By the way they're not following the manga are they, Zell?

[Ryllharu]

I thought Mazui kind of fudged the translation in the OP, some of the Engrish is definitely more correct in Ayako, and it's not like Yoshino Nanjou mangles both languages the way singers like MELL (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=54705) do (MELL's arrangements are awesome though). Some of the words are pretty clear, "shoot" being one of them. I'll stick with Ayako if they keep up with the HD releases here on out.

Speaking of the OP, I realized how much Mikoto reminds me of Lina Inverse during the 7 or so seconds when they dramatically show her shoot the railgun. Similar expressions, similar power output, same flat chest. :D

[Marik]

[Mazui]​ To​ Aru​ Kagaku​ no​ Railgun​ -​ 02​ [D61697C9].mkv (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_02_D61697C9.mkv.torrent)

[RyougaZell]

Yay! Episode 2.
Downloading :D

Archie:
Episode one had slight differences from the manga. I don't to point them out though. I learnt my lesson from the Index thread. Want to discuss differenes, feel free to pm me.

EDIT AFTER WATCHING EP 2:

Great episode. I kinda like this pace better than Index's, where shit went down the drain without reason very fast. It felt more like slice of life.

Loved the scene with Touma at the beginning, although a bit random.

[Buffalobiian]

I was pretty much smiling, if not laughing, from start to finish, save for when Kuroko really got depressed after the girl introduced her water ability. I actually felt kind of sad for her, which really should be hard given how difficult it is to take her seriously at times.


I loved it, because she is completely insane

Right on! Kuroko twitching in ecstasy at Misaka's "love beating" resembled Liang Qi (CANAAN) so much, right down to their taste for revealing underwear. I can't help but like it.

[Kraco]

Harrumph. Is this series really going to be only Kuroko lusting after Misaka and nothing else? The beginning was nice, though so short and detached, with Misaka and Touma but the rest was very... Well, meaningless. Unless you only want to see Kuroko's antics that won't progress any story or anything else at all. We don't even get any fight scenes with the focus being on that one-sided love affair all the time.

I guess my expectations of this series were simply 95% off. Man, I still don't want to drop the series because scenes like the beginning of this ep keep the flame of hope flickering, no matter how small the flame might be.

[Ryllharu]

I'm guessing that things will become very serious in short order, enough that we might complain the transition was too quick. It's only been a month since Kuroko and Mikoto met. I don't think the Sisters have even been made yet, and if they have, Mikoto is doing a very good job of not showing how much it concerns her.

They will probably sneak in some more Judgment work as well.

[David75]

I made quick calculations based on the test data we got from ep one, and it seems that for a 7 grams coin, the explosion caused by the impact if still at initial velocity would be around that of 1 gram of TNT.
I made the assumption the coin does not decelerate because I think Mikoto is able to extend her electrical field enough that the coin still is under its influence when impacting.

[Archangel]

I'm guessing that things will become very serious in short order, enough that we might complain the transition was too quick. It's only been a month since Kuroko and Mikoto met. I don't think the Sisters have even been made yet, and if they have, Mikoto is doing a very good job of not showing how much it concerns her.

They will probably sneak in some more Judgment work as well.

According to the opening and the fact that we only have 12 episodes i think they're only gonna use 1 arc from the manga and will filler the rest.

That shouldn't be much of a problem though, if i'm not mistaken this ep was mostly filler too and i enjoyed it greatly

And by the way i can't believe nobody has mentioned this already but chibi Misaka was just too adorable for words

[Buffalobiian]

According to the opening and the fact that we only have 12 episodes i think they're only gonna use 1 arc from the manga and will filler the rest.

Railgun is 24 eps.

http://www.mahou.org/Showtime

I had no problems with this pacing, since I thought it was obvious that we won't have an episode like this for a long time, if ever again. It basically served as a hilarious introduction of how Misaka and Kuroko met.

I can't remember how old Misaka was when those doctors approached her regarding the experiment. From memory, they asked for her DNA for medical research at first, in order to learn about how one can control electrical impulses in one's body.

From the OP, I'm willing to be that the evil looking scientist broke the "Patient Information Privacy" agreement and cloned the MISAKAs.

I'm pretty sure that's why Last Order was in chibi-form as well.

[Archangel]

Zell you douchebag, you told me there were 12 eps! :mad:

And here i was hoping this was gonna end quickly so i could have my Index sequel asap...

Then i have no idea what they're gonna do with the other 12 episodes, i've only read part of the manga

[Buffalobiian]

Zell you douchebag, you told me there were 12 eps! :mad:

I believe 12/13 was the original plan, but they decided animate it into a longer (and better) double-season schedule.

As for Index, I don't really care for that. I know it's most likely coming, but Railgun is much more promising right now. I'd have more Railgun than a quicker Index S2 any day.

This OP is even catchier than what I initially thought. I've had the same 1:30 track looped for who-knows-how-many repeats now. Guess the TV-cut will have to do until Nov 4th.

[RyougaZell]

Bill's source is the only one I've seen that says 24 episodes. ANN and WIki (albeit not that trustable...) both say 12 episodes. AniDB, which is listed as a souce on Bill's page, says unknown number of episodes.

I can't read Japanese to understand the Project Railgun page and see if they say anything either.

And man... I'll spoilerfy it if no one wants to read it... don't worry. Im not revealing plot or upcoming events.

SPOILER

Many seem to believe this episode was mostly filler. But heck... it happens in the manga... the thing is that the studio changed the pace. This episode wasn't supposed to happen for a while...

END OF SPOILER

[Ryllharu]

ANN is a pretty bad source in my experience. They slap 12 episodes onto nearly every series because they know most are going to be at least that long, and they can estimate what days they will air on.

They had Seakitties (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10168) listed as 12 up through episode 13, and now it is listed at 24. I find it hard to trust episode counts until moonphase (http://www.moonphase.cc/Html/anime.html) lists another series with the same time and day of the week.

Mahou's Showtime! (http://www.mahou.org/Showtime/) is usually pretty good as well.

[RyougaZell]

Ah believe me, I would be the most interested that this series is indeed 24 episodes, but I won't keep my hopes up for now, only for them to crash at the end. I did remark ANN and Wiki are not good sources. I didn't knew of Showtime's reputation though. I'll probably bookmark it for future references.

[Archangel]

I believe 12/13 was the original plan, but they decided animate it into a longer (and better) double-season schedule.

As for Index, I don't really care for that. I know it's most likely coming, but Railgun is much more promising right now. I'd have more Railgun than a quicker Index S2 any day.

This OP is even catchier than what I initially thought. I've had the same 1:30 track looped for who-knows-how-many repeats now. Guess the TV-cut will have to do until Nov 4th.

Meh, this is nice and all but it's mostly Kuroko and Misaka fanservice without any real character development

What i really want is that budokai ornament with all the espers like they showed on the last episode

[digitalrurouni]

The second episode was horrible. And also it seemed like Ayako's HQ release was really not worth it and Mazui's release was better though I think i am going to have to see if there is a v2 that is going to be released. You could see visually the quality of the vid for Mazui was much better than Ayako.

[KrayZ33]

well mazuis is hq too and I wouldn't be too suprised if they were using the same source.

btw this episode was very funny, I like it much more than the first one... especially the end when she drank her "special" drink.

[digitalrurouni]

well mazuis is hq too and I wouldn't be too suprised if they were using the same source.

btw this episode was very funny, I like it much more than the first one... especially the end when she drank her "special" drink.


Despite that...the Ayako episode had a bunch of aliasing...around the borders of the characters...that was absent in the Mazui version. And if I am not mistaken I think they were captured from 2 different channels...

[Buffalobiian]

And if I am not mistaken I think they were captured from 2 different channels...

They're both captured from TokyoMX. See the watermark on the top-right.

Whether they were captured by two different people is another matter.

Overall, Mazui's video looks better, but it has some chugging problems in the OP that Ayako's doesn't. It's as if the vid freezes for a fraction of a second.

Some examples are:

1:08 - lightning in the OP. The lightning patterns are meant to slow down, but not stop like Mazui's does. All these examples you can compare with Ayako's.

1:45 - the two teachers(?) walking down the hall, right before the sprint in police gear.

2:17 - close-up of Misaka after she fired the railgun. Mazui's freezes again.

There are probably a few more that I simply didn't jot down, but that's about it.

[Marik]

[Mazui]​ To​ Aru​ Kagaku​ no​ Railgun​ -​ 02v2​ [C1073458].mkv (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_02v2_C1073458.mkv.torrent)

New raw again so no patch.

[Archangel]

I thought the first one was fine but what the hell

Edit: Is it me or was the other raw better than this one?

[Buffalobiian]

Ayako - Episode 3 (http://a.scarywater.net/ayako/%5BAyako%5D%20A%20Certain%20Scientific%20Railgun%2 0-%2003%20%5BHQ%5D%5BH264%5D%5B247B25D0%5D.mkv.torre nt)

PS: Who else gets the lag I mentioned in Mazui's OP?

[Marik]

[Mazui]​ To​ Aru​ Kagaku​ no​ Railgun​ -​ 03​ - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_03_E7AD6F57.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_03_XviDC5764DCB.avi.torrent)

[Buffalobiian]

-Mikoto's role in negating the stun gun attack could be seen a mile away.

-Of course, this was an easy rat to corner for Uiharu, but she seems to be pretty competent at intel and backup operations. Should be fun to see what she can do in a real Judgement mission.

-I couldn't take her seriously when the ssuspect started talking about her past. Not when the same piano piece was used in Kuroko's anniversary preparation scene.

-Some people might be disappointed about the lack of action this week, but I didn't mind. It all wasn't completely pointless. Plot-wise, the last line hinting at possible corruption in the higher-ups was the single important thing here.

[RyougaZell]

WTF? Lee and Gai have a female friend here.

And what? Must all episodes end with something yuri? LOL.

While indeed obvious, as Bill pointed out, I still loled when the girl was shocked by Mikoto.

[Kraco]

Plot-wise, the last line hinting at possible corruption in the higher-ups was the single important thing here.

My first thought was that somebody's artificially boosting up easy subjects as an experiment. Kind of like this crazy girl seeking for revenge. She wouldn't have hesitated for a second if somebody had asked if she wanted a litle bit of extra power (even if there was a risk or illegal means involved). But who knows. I don't see why any corrupted higher-up would have altered the files of a nutcase like her. Where's the profit?

[David75]

Nice girl's school with an almost parisian looking district.

Regarding the database, they directly think there's a mistake, sure. But it's not necessarily a corruption.
A database is at best, as good as what you input.

So if for example for the last test that eyebrow girl was purposedly (or for any reason) not at full power, they would not be able to tell she shifted to level 3.

But I guess that as judgment, they have to think of the worst case scenario.

The later would be cool, only if there are a lot more level 5 than expected, and some of them near the level of Mikoto, or even a bit superior so that she gets to progress.

[Buffalobiian]

I meant corruption to simply mean someone's doing something they're not supposed to (unauthorized experimentation perhaps? Or secretly training espers?). Probably the wrong word to use then.

[Archangel]

Oh the main plot is coming up already, good

Well this was cute and all but i would think they'd save these kinds of eps after building up the story a bit more. I think they're playing on the fact that Index already gave them a solid fan base they can work on

[narutosharingan]

Is this worth watching if you haven't seen Index?

[Buffalobiian]

Is this worth watching if you haven't seen Index?

I find it hard to say it's "not worth it" if you haven't, but I would certainly recommend you watch Index first. It covers all the background information, and gives a better introduction to two of the main characters in Railgun than this does.

[animus]

Actually you probably don't even need to watch Index. So far it's easily a stand alone title, with no real connection to Index yet (besides seeing Touma for like 2 seconds).

My impressions so far are rather dismal. Not much plot, way too much forced fan service, and no real sense of direction to me at this point. Can someone who has read the manga at least reassure me that it does indeed get better? If it's just gonna be a different sidestory every episode, I'd probably drop it.

[Board of Command]

Is this even related to the storyline of Index? It's set long before the events of Index (Misaka is only lvl 5 here) but she already met Touma. In Index, she supposedly met him for the first time as a lvl 7.

[Buffalobiian]

Is this even related to the storyline of Index? It's set long before the events of Index (Misaka is only lvl 5 here) but she already met Touma. In Index, she supposedly met him for the first time as a lvl 7.

Pretty sure she was still lvl 5 in Index dude. Otherwise there's no point in Accelerator trying to become the first lvl 6 esper.

[KrayZ33]

Misaka is a level 5 in Index.
but there are *7* lvl 5s...

[Archangel]

Is this even related to the storyline of Index? It's set long before the events of Index (Misaka is only lvl 5 here) but she already met Touma. In Index, she supposedly met him for the first time as a lvl 7.

... wut? She's been a level 5 throughout the whole series, both Index and Railgun

Anyway the story for now actually takes places slightly before Index, and will eventually start happening during the same time frame as the original, always through the eyes of Misaka

[RyougaZell]

Actually you probably don't even need to watch Index. So far it's easily a stand alone title, with no real connection to Index yet (besides seeing Touma for like 2 seconds).

My impressions so far are rather dismal. Not much plot, way too much forced fan service, and no real sense of direction to me at this point. Can someone who has read the manga at least reassure me that it does indeed get better? If it's just gonna be a different sidestory every episode, I'd probably drop it.

I could answer that... but I would be accussed of spoiling.
Just keep watching. Its going there.

The only recent series that had Level 7 Espers was Zettai Karen Children... I *did* make that mistake once during Index, naming Mikoto a Level 7... whereas Level 5 is the top Level on this universe.

Index's timeline can't be that far away, seeing as we've seen Touma already. Even if it was just a few seconds.

[David75]

From what I understand, Mikoto is currently ranked number 3 amongst level 5s

If my memory is fine, she was ranked number 1 amongst level 5s, hence why she was the primary subject for the experiment enabling accelerator to access the level 6 graal.

Is that ok?

[Archangel]

From what I understand, Mikoto is currently ranked number 3 amongst level 5s

If my memory is fine, she was ranked number 1 amongst level 5s, hence why she was the primary subject for the experiment enabling accelerator to access the level 6 graal.

Is that ok?

Not really, the whole purpose behind the sisters was so accelerator could become a level 6, because apparently this is an rpg and he needed to grind the xp points O_o

She might have been the strongest at some point in time, but that has never been mentioned before

[RyougaZell]

From what I understand, Mikoto is currently ranked number 3 amongst level 5s

If my memory is fine, she was ranked number 1 amongst level 5s, hence why she was the primary subject for the experiment enabling accelerator to access the level 6 graal.

Is that ok?


No. In Index it was mentioned Accelerator was the number 1 Level 5, that is why he was the one that was killing the sisters in order to reach level 6.

[animus]

I wonder if we'll ever learn who number 2 is.

[Archangel]

I wonder if we'll ever learn who number 2 is.

Like i said, i bet he'll be making his appearance in the budokai tournament

He's probably not number 2 anymore either, i don't think accelerator got out of that last fight without some major damage

[Kraco]

I wonder how strong Touma actually is. He takes some damage from Mikoto's better attacks and the spells of the magicians, so I suppose it's safe to say he isn't -5. Maybe at least -4 seeing he can neutralize a lot?

[Archangel]

I wonder how strong Touma actually is. He takes some damage from Mikoto's better attacks and the spells of the magicians, so I suppose it's safe to say he isn't -5. Maybe at least -4 seeing he can neutralize a lot?

Hmmm? Damage? So far the only spell powerful enough to get in the way of his Imagine Breaker was Index's magical laser, and that thing was even able to take out a satellite !!!

I assume that the computer in her head deducted that a continuous and concentrated attack to a small area would have more of a chance to pass through his defense than anything else.

[Ryllharu]

Direct esper and magical attacks don't cause damage to Touma, but physical ones that alter or affect the environment around him do. That's why the overwhelming majority of Steyr and Misaka's attacks have little effect, but Kanzaki and Accelerator's do.

[Archangel]

Direct esper and magical attacks don't cause damage to Touma's imagine breaker, but physical ones that alter or affect the environment around him do. That's why the overwhelming majority of Steyr and Misaka's attacks have little effect, but Kanzaki and Accelerator's do.

He can still be hurt my magic and esper abilities, aside from his right hand he's a normal human

[Ryllharu]

True, but if he tried to block Kanzaki's magically empowered swordplay, or block one of Accelerator's projectiles, his arm would be cut/smashed to bits.

[Archangel]

True, but if he tried to block Kanzaki's magically empowered swordplay, or block one of Accelerator's projectiles, his arm would be cut/smashed to bits.

Actually he would indeed by killed by Kanzaki's swordplay, but only because the sword itself would be enough to kill him

As for projectiles... i can't prove you wrong without spoilers

As i've said, the only magic attack to even come close to breaking Imagine Breaker has been a spell that was chosen out of millions as the one who would stand the best chance against it.

If i had to guess i don't think it would be so crazy to predict Touma as the mythical level 6

[Kraco]

He can still be hurt my magic and esper abilities, aside from his right hand he's a normal human

His right hand is permanently attached to his body, though, meaning he's not entirely normal, ever. If the hand nullifies any magical or scientific effects in an object it touches, it will also do that with his body, at least partially. I'm not saying 100% or anywhere near that as we have seen multiple times.

Otherwise only his right hand would be knocking over coffee cups and that would be the whole extent of his unluckiness.


If i had to guess i don't think it would be so crazy to predict Touma as the mythical level 6

You mean level -6?

[Archangel]

His right hand is permanently attached to his body, though, meaning he's not entirely normal, ever. If the hand nullifies any magical or scientific effects in an object it touches, it will also do that with his body, at least partially. I'm not saying 100% or anywhere near that as we have seen multiple times.

Otherwise only his right hand would be knocking over coffee cups and that would be the whole extent of his unluckiness.

Well i'll give your theory some credit since Kuroko might have been unable to teleport him for that very reason, or because by trying to do it to his whole body the hand got in the way


I think these discussions where we try to make reason of esper powers and magic are half the reason why i love this series :D

[Board of Command]

I was horribly mistaken. I thought Misaka was one of the few level 7's, and Accelerator was trying to get to level 8. I guess i just got the numbers mixed up.

Regardless, there's still some conflicting material here. In Index, Misaka met Touma for the first time on that bridge the night before he met Index. In Railgun, she met him for the first time in that back alley. It would only make sense for that to be their first meeting in the "Railgun universe," since she wouldn't attack him otherwise.

[Ryllharu]

But Touma knew exactly who she was in the first episode of Index. He notes that he wasn't protecting her, he was protecting the hoodlums from her. So Touma was quite well aware of exactly who she was.

Considering that Saten didn't know her, and Uiharu didn't know her face either, it gave off the impression that they've met before. Nor did Misaka sound all that surprised that he was completely unharmed from her attack.

I'll admit the times don't seem to add up, but it isn't clear whether or not the time on the bridge was their first meeting.

[Archangel]

Actually it adds up perfectly
What about Misaka's personality tells you that she would shoot a railgun at a defenseless level 0? At that distance she would kill any normal human being, no question about it after we saw what she did to that car.

She's a tsundere, not a yandere.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm pretty sure the meeting on the bridge wasn't their first meeting, as Ryll has explained already.

I'm not sure why you guys say the timeline doesn't match. Here, Touma's run into a bit of trouble with Mikoto, and in Index, you start off with Touma rescuing some guys from her wrath. None of these two cases indicate they had to be the first encounter.


It would only make sense for that to be their first meeting in the "Railgun universe," since she wouldn't attack him otherwise.

Why?

As for Esper powers, I think Touma will always be Level 0. Based how they tested subjects in the episode before, it's all about what the esper can do. In Touma's case, nothing.

He can survive, but nullifying other's powers doesn't automatically mean he's absorbing, or doing an equal and opposite reaction.

-Misaka's electricity just doesn't zap him. He's not counter-zapping, or putting up an interferring electromagnetic field to nullify it.

-Kuroko can't teleport him. He's not counter-teleporting or anything.

-Accelerator's the same case, no vector manipulation, just a straight punch.

If I had to describe Touma's powers, it's like he holds an "All attack/defence powers are reduced to zero" card. When measuring the effect of that card...really it's still zero, based on the scientists measuring, what I saw, was the power/control of esper abilities.

Calling it a "good card" is an understatement, but I wouldn't classify it as anything other than Zero. Not -5/6 neither.

[Archangel]

Actually it's been mentioned before that the reason why he is considered level 0 is because the methods normally used to gauge abilities aren't compatible with Imagine Breaker

[Buffalobiian]

Actually it's been mentioned before that the reason why he is considered level 0 is because the methods normally used to gauge abilities aren't compatible with Imagine Breaker

Really? Where and why?

[Archangel]

Really? Where and why?

Dam that was fast!! O_o

I believe it was the loli pink teacher in episode... something. Still during the first opening

Edit: Just noticed, 3 posts on the same page starting with "Actually...". Way to sound like a pretentious douche O_o

[Buffalobiian]

Cool. I'll dig that out later to revisit that Mikoto-bridge scene too.

[Board of Command]

There's a lot of evidence indicating that their meeting on the bridge in Index was their first encounter. Just because Touma knew about her doesn't mean they've met before. Misaka was one of the strongest espers in the city, so it shouldn't be out of the question for people to know her.

Misaka was totally surprised that her attack was nullified. If she encountered his power beforehand, then she'd have no reason to be so surprised by him.

Actually... I just watched that scene in Railgun again, and it seemed like that was not their first meeting, which would make the encounter in Index the first meeting after all. She was chasing him around like she did slightly later on in Index. This would put Railgun's timeline, at the very least, after the vending machine incident in Index.

[RyougaZell]

Dam that was fast!! O_o

I believe it was the loli pink teacher in episode... something. Still during the first opening

Edit: Just noticed, 3 posts on the same page starting with "Actually...". Way to sound like a pretentious douche O_o


Actually... shouldn't I be the one here? LOL.

If memory doesn't fail me... Touma mentioned, in his inner monologue, that Mikoto was a Level 5 during the bridge scene. So it does fit, that he knew her from before (Railgun). How and when this took place? Who knows...

[Board of Command]

If memory doesn't fail me... Touma mentioned, in his inner monologue, that Mikoto was a Level 5 during the bridge scene. So it does fit, that he knew her from before (Railgun). How and when this took place? Who knows...
It should be the other way around. Index was the first encounter, and the Railgun scene came after that. You don't need to meet people to know about them. Mikoto clearly didn't know him at the time.

[Kraco]

As for Esper powers, I think Touma will always be Level 0. Based how they tested subjects in the episode before, it's all about what the esper can do. In Touma's case, nothing.

Please don't ever get in contact with any armor or bulletproof vest designers. You would depress them. It's like saying the shielding level of a bulletproof vest will always be the same, regardless of the fact whether it can only stop a measly .22 pistol bullet or even a 7.62mm rifle bullet. Or because the vest does nothing but stop a bullet, it's not actually doing anything at all!

If Touma's power level is set at zero, it's only because the way of measuring sucks. Honestly, those levels were anyway measured at the school backyard... How reliable and scientific is that? They were even doubting the recorded level of the fade girl in this latest episode.

There are definite limits to the usefulness of the ability as well, so it should be possible to measure it if anybody was at all interested in it (or even knew about it).

[shinta|hikari]

I think Buff is merely saying that with the current system of measurement, Touma will always be level 0, and I agree.

Yes, that simply means that the system sucks.

If it does get revised, then Touma's power is definitely measurable, assuming they actually find something that he cannot negate. It would be impossible to measure something when a limit hasn't even been reached.

[Kraco]

If it does get revised, then Touma's power is definitely measurable, assuming they actually find something that he cannot negate. It would be impossible to measure something when a limit hasn't even been reached.

Since the series keeps calling it science, there definitely is a limit. However, we don't actually even know what Touma's hand does. It might not simply negate the power but the intended effect. For example transmutate it into something harmless; a process that potentially would require a lot less power, or power tolerance, than absorbing the whole energy involved. For anybody studying Touma's level, it would thus be of utmost importance to figure out what he actually does because without knowing that it could be futile to try to gauge his exact power level.

[Yukimura]

I seem to remember someone mentioning a theory in Index that Touma's power had to do with removing the 'quantum uncertainty' that ESPers create/manipulate in order to manifest abilities that should otherwise be impossible for a person?

If this is indeed the case then there may not be an upper limit on his power as the power would just be forcing the the universe around his hand to have its 'natural' uncertain state as opposed to any 'unnatural' uncertain state any ESPer powers (and maybe magic too) induced to produce their effects. The only limitation I can think of in this scenario would be a time delay between an unnatural effect entering the area of influence of Touma's hand and the uncertainty state that makes up the effect being returned to 'normal'. That being said as long as the time delay is less than the distance light would have to travel between the edge of the area of effect and Touma's hand he shouldn't have anything to worry about.

[David75]

In fact, I think Touma has been trying to keep a low profile on his ability. I'm not too sure that besides loli teacher, anyone know of Imagine Breaker or all of what he was able to do in the index arc. He probably discovered the extent of his own power along the way.

Why am I writing this?
Because Mikoto was surprised he's able to resist her power.
More importantly, Kuroko was surprised she couldn't teleport with him, when she should have some data in the database regarding his power.

There's also the fact that some people in the background know about touma, like the guy in that strange room talking to the esper using magic who works as a spy. Knowing that, they use him for some purposes and ultimate goal we do not know of for the moment.

To summarize:
Yes the measurement system is flawed for Touma, and maybe other students.
Touma uses that flaw to keep low profile
Some group know about Touma and use that.

Now, it doesn't help us knowing much more.
Also, it remains a bit out of subject in the Railgun Arc (at least for the moment)
The only thing is that Touma could also be a key to anihilate both Magic and Esper powers from the Index+Railgun world.

[Kraco]

I had forgotten all about the explanation in Index about Touma's power. Damn loli teacher talking too much. Well, that solves that issue. So, in fact Touma doesn't probably need to suffer any damage as long as whatever energy coming still has magical properties.

Another matter is how long he can keep doing it. That in itself would at least be one factor in gauging his theoretical level.

I don't really know why he wants to keep it a secret, though. It seems to me people in that academic city place lots of importance on the power level (making Misaka almost an idol, for example), so why does he want to appear a zero level failure? Because that makes it easier for him to keep telling himself he's oh the unluckiest person in the world (despite his harem).

[David75]

I had forgotten all about the explanation in Index about Touma's power. Damn loli teacher talking too much. Well, that solves that issue. So, in fact Touma doesn't probably need to suffer any damage as long as whatever energy coming still has magical properties.

Another matter is how long he can keep doing it. That in itself would at least be one factor in gauging his theoretical level.

I don't really know why he wants to keep it a secret, though. It seems to me people in that academic city place lots of importance on the power level (making Misaka almost an idol, for example), so why does he want to appear a zero level failure?

He seems to be quite unlucky and wants a peacefull life?

That reminds me that for him to be that unlucky is quite strange. That could mean good luck is a magical/esper power existing everywhere and the normal state of the world would be bad luck when I would think it would be pretty even. But it's just a digression.

[Buffalobiian]

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[RyougaZell]

I can't stop grinning like a fool.
I've been waiting for this episode since the start :D

Tsundere :D

[David75]

I like the metal particles sand sword. To me, it requires a lot more control than what we've seen from Mikoto so far, so it was a nice addition. Now I understand a little more why she was a relevant target for the Accelerator.

I also think Touma is a great sparing partner for her.
He's the only one with who she be at full power. Being able to use her power at will is a big plus towards controling it even further. It might also be good for stamina.
We know little about where the energy comes from for the various powers and if overusing them could cause some kind of depletion.

[Ryllharu]

So, does this give proof that Touma and Mikoto's first meeting really was not on the bridge? Mikoto was not surprised on the bridge one bit. She was completely astonished that Touma blocked her in the flashback at the storefront.

The evidence seems to support the bridge being a subsequent meeting, but well before the start of this series.

The undressing woman and Mikoto's denials of liking Touma were funny, but overall the episode needed more Kuroko (serious or otherwise). I really enjoyed the prank Saten and Uihara played on Kuroko about the curse being contagious.

EDIT:

Her reaction when she grabbed his hand and instantly became powerless was priceless. It really shows that Mikoto (and many other espers most likely) are very reliant and proud of their powers. When they lose them, even temporarily, the psychological damage can do more than physical strikes. They get drunk on the confidence having esper abilities gives them.

It is also interesting seeing Touma from Mikoto's point of view, because we are starting to realize the true depth of Index's memory wipe. We just saw the bridge and a short meeting between Mikoto and Touma in the first series. They've evidently been meeting a number of times before he met Index. Touma lost a great deal more than I had thought.

[Kraco]

The scientist woman must be Hosaka's (Minami-ke) relative...

I think this was easily the best Railgun ep so far and precisely because Touma was in it so prominently. Being in his company transforms Mikoto from an ordinary zinc-carbon battery into a real lithium battery. You could really see in this episode how much she enjoys his company even though I doubt she even knows his name. Considering her all-girls school, Touma could be the only guy she knows at all, which would make it no wonder she'd like to spend more time with him. Touma isn't any scumbag after all.

The bathroom tsundere scene was priceless. It's not that many series yet that actually utter that word aloud. Another very nice scene was the moment Touma raise his fist and Mikoto realised she would get hit maybe for the first time since forever. Although it's quite obvious Touma would never actually hit her, at least under such circumstances.

[Archangel]

That was a nice treat, i didn't expect us to get this episode so soon

Lol this is one of the things that makes the series great, it's not above making fun f itself from time to time. The tsun moment in the bathroom was priceless, especially because i think it was an anime original ( i might be wrong )

We also got to see why Misaka is the third most powerful level 5, electrical control is more than just firing pew pew lasers all the time

[Buffalobiian]

Great episode, though I think I enjoyed the previous ones on a nearly equal level. Still.. Kuroko banging her head repeatedly on the desk got me cracking.

I agree with Ryll about Touma's memory loss. It really wasn't that powerful in Index because it focused on his losing all 3 days of memory of her, but in Mikoto's scenario the gravity is on a completely different level. Thankfully, Touma's bluffing was superb. I don't know if I could bear seeing Mikoto cry for real.


The tsun moment in the bathroom was priceless, especially because i think it was an anime original ( i might be wrong )

Hitagi (Bakemonogatari) is a self-proclaimed tsundere.


We also got to see why Misaka is the third most powerful level 5, electrical control is more than just firing pew pew lasers all the time

The iron-sand saw was a new trick, but I'm not sure if it beats the railgun in terms of control. I say this because it's creating an oscillating field around her hand, while the railgun required both control and speed of switching the electric field on and off at specific intervals, taking into regard the mass of the coin and its instantaneous velocity to calculate where and when each "pulse" needs to be.

[Archangel]

Oh, and i just had to do this


http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8505/misaka.jpg

[fireheart]

Isn't Toumas powers pretty weirdly depicted? Well maybe it's just my opinion seeing as he stopped Misakas railgun and ironsand, which should mean if you use your power to move something it won't have an effect on him. But use your power to throw a car at him and he'll jump out of the way. Technically shouldn't he be able to stop it if he can stop a railgun.

Ohh as for the whole whether Touma and Misaka knew each other at the beginning of Index, the manga chapters are named after days with the first chapter being July 16th while the Index manga states the day he ran away from the thugs that hit on Misaka as July 19th. If that clears anything up other than the scene in the last ep.

[Buffalobiian]

Isn't Toumas powers pretty weirdly depicted? Well maybe it's just my opinion seeing as he stopped Misakas railgun and ironsand, which should mean if you use your power to move something it won't have an effect on him. But use your power to throw a car at him and he'll jump out of the way. Technically shouldn't he be able to stop it if he can stop a railgun.

The sand was actively held together by Misaka's electric field. It makes sense that he can turn it back to normal sand.

I remember nothing about him nullifying her railgun. The coin's already accelerated, and is not under her influence after it's left the "cannon", so to speak. If memory serves correctly, he dodged them on the bridge, which was the only scene I remember him being shot at by railguns

[fireheart]

The sand was actively held together by Misaka's electric field. It makes sense that he can turn it back to normal sand.

I remember nothing about him nullifying her railgun. The coin's already accelerated, and is not under her influence after it's left the "cannon", so to speak. If memory serves correctly, he dodged them on the bridge, which was the only scene I remember him being shot at by railguns

Well even if they're held together she's making them vibrate and moving them which means they should have a bit of momentum even after he nullify the sand.

Well had to check again after you mentioned him not stopping the railgun and yeah seems he never tried to stop it. Sorry my bad

Ohh and it seems the index manga depicts their meeting on the bridge as their first ever so yeah.

[RyougaZell]

Ohh and it seems the index manga depicts their meeting on the bridge as their first ever so yeah.

Index's manga should never be taken as a serious source. Specially since they skip arcs (like Himegami... or whatever her name was... even the shorts make fun of her). The good source is the novel.

Whereas Railgun's source is indeed the manga. The story was written by the novel author, an is hinted even on the first novel (there, now I can say it), but it was made a manga instead. Why? I dunno.


I need to watch this episode four more times...

[KrayZ33]

Another very nice scene was the moment Touma raise his fist and Mikoto realised she would get hit maybe for the first time since forever. Although it's quite obvious Touma would never actually hit her, at least under such circumstances.

best scene

not only because of it's cuteness, but also because of touma's reaction and acting.

oh well, it's really impossible to hit a girl like that, he had no chance to win this from the very beginning :(

on a side note, the fight-animation is really good and Touma is actually fairly skilled.. and so is Mikoto, she's actually using tactics and does not rely solely on her Railgun

[Kraco]

he had no chance to win this from the very beginning

I believe he did think he would have a chance. To be precise, he thought Mikoto would give up at some point and that would be his victory (I doubt Touma really is that keen on beating somebody for no concrete reason). But of course she wouldn't. She has worked too hard to become level 5 and a tsundere can't give up like that in front of her love interest.

It would have actually been nice to see an alternative scene in which Touma had just patted her head telling everything's alright...

[Archangel]

It would have actually been nice to see an alternative scene in which Touma had just patted her head telling everything's alright...

It would result in something like this

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/699/ichaicharailgun10.png
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3835/ichaicharailgun11.png

[RyougaZell]

One thing I disliked about the episode was that the purpose of the last scene was changed because of Kuroko. The original scene didn't had her crying over a cursed Mikoto, but rather Kuroko cringed upon seeing Mikoto sleeping happily, while hugging her pillow, implying that whatever may have happened to her had her in a great mood.

[Archangel]

One thing I disliked about the episode was that the purpose of the last scene was changed because of Kuroko. The original scene didn't had her crying over a cursed Mikoto, but rather Kuroko cringed upon seeing Mikoto sleeping happily, while hugging her pillow, implying that whatever may have happened to her had her in a great mood.

It was more subtle but you could still make a valid point that the whole fight was what made her smile too :)

[Yukimura]

I loved the stripping researcher chick, I hope she comes back and continues to be herself. Her detached attitude seems right up my alley. Kuroko's reactions were also quite entertaining especially that last scene with her trying to shove panties on Misaka's head. Also I can't really explain it but I just like looking at Saten's character design do random things, I guess I think she's cute or something idk.

And just to light a different colored candle for the hell of it Mikoto's cowering and tsundere behavior didn't really do anything for me, at least anything positive. Her reason for fighting Touma seemed so silly and childish. She didn't seem to know him beyond his legend and his penchant for trying to insert himself into her business and from what I recall he never actually attacked her in any way. That said, Touma was the one who chose to engage with her (thanks plot) and he clearly didn't mind her behavior enough to knock her on her prissy Level 5 ass for it. I know my reservations are pointless as the rabu rabu sub plot is inevitable and probably a big part of why this show is being aired at all but I'm not going to pretend I don't get bored at best, annoyed at worst, with the elements of the story that boil down to Misaka being incapable of expressing herself around Touma. I wish she'd 'man up' for lack of a better phrase, but then she probably wouldn't be as popular would she...

[shinta|hikari]

I believe he did think he would have a chance. To be precise, he thought Mikoto would give up at some point and that would be his victory (I doubt Touma really is that keen on beating somebody for no concrete reason). But of course she wouldn't. She has worked too hard to become level 5 and a tsundere can't give up like that in front of her love interest.

I think Touma never intended to beat Mikoto this time. He asked her before the fight what it would take for her to stop chasing him around. She answered that she would only stop if she won. That is probably the reason why Touma accepted this fight in the first place. He planned to lose on purpose the whole time. His acting in the end ruined the plan though.

[Kraco]

There were a couple of times during the fight it looked like Touma was actually interested in ending up as the winner. But you are probably right about his initial thoughts, yes.

[Archangel]

I think Touma just wanted the matter to be resolved, no matter who won

[Buffalobiian]

My take on it is that he didn't really want to fight, but after seeing Mikoto's determination, he concluded that having a proper match was the only way to settle the matter.

When he lifted his arm for the punch, he realised he could never hit her, so opted to lose instead.

That is the smart choice. Had he hit her, his arm would not have protected him against Zell's wrath.

-edit: and Archie..

[Archangel]

That is the smart choice. Had he hit her, his arm would not have protected him against Zell's wrath.

Cough cough cough... i feel somewhat ignored here :p

And you have laugh at how unlucky Misaka is, grabbing the one part of him where the current wouldn't pass

[RyougaZell]

That is the smart choice. Had he hit her, his arm would not have protected him against Zell's wrath.


Cough cough cough... i feel somewhat ignored here :p


You can be my second in comand :p I was the very first Mikoto-tard here after all. And supporter of the Mikoto x Touma too...



And you have laugh at how unlucky Misaka is, grabbing the one part of him where the current wouldn't pass

And Touma says he's the unlucky one. Lol.

Another Shana sightening this episode btw. She was on the cover of one of the magazines Mikoto was browsing at the store.

[Buffalobiian]

Cough cough cough... i feel somewhat ignored here :p

So you're official now? Fine, you're added to the list.

-Any analytical fighter would have noticed Touma's characteristic pose of putting his hands out in front, as well as observing exactly how Touma nullifed her iron sand.

Guess analysing enemy weaknesses isn't second nature for the 3rd strongest lvl 5 whose "fry or blow shit up" until recently has been anything but one-shot, one-kill.

[Kraco]

-Any analytical fighter would have noticed Touma's characteristic pose of putting his hands out in front, as well as observing exactly how Touma nullifed her iron sand.

It doesn't really mean anything concrete. Misaka herself points her hand at any individual she wants to electrocute or railgun and I assume great many people with similarly offensive powers would as well. When she sees Touma raising his hand to nullify the attack, it must seem analogous to her. That's more probable than thinking it must be only Touma's right hand that has any power, because she is doing it just for the sake of convenience and control herself. So, when she attacked, she grabbed any part of Touma readily available for grabbing.

[Archangel]

It doesn't really mean anything concrete. Misaka herself points her hand at any individual she wants to electrocute or railgun and I assume great many people with similarly offensive powers would as well. When she sees Touma raising his hand to nullify the attack, it must seem analogous to her. That's more probable than thinking it must be only Touma's right hand that has any power, because she is doing it just for the sake of convenience and control herself. So, when she attacked, she grabbed any part of Touma readily available for grabbing.

Lol... :p

I agree with what you say , it's not as obvious as it was accelerator where every combo was made using solely the right hand but she has fought him a couple of times before and by seeing him use that pose time and time again i wouldn't be surprised if she deducted it eventually. By the time of the second fight in the bridge she seems to already know about it at least

[November 11]

Lol... :p

I agree with what you say , it's not as obvious as it was accelerator where every combo was made using solely the right hand but she has fought him a couple of times before and by seeing him use that pose time and time again i wouldn't be surprised if she deducted it eventually. By the time of the second fight in the bridge she seems to already know about it at least

Kuroko should be able to teleport the rest of Touma's body except his right hand :P

From what I have observed, it seems that his right hand is the source of the nullifying ability, extending throughout his body. So while attached, his whole body should be immune to abilities so I do not see why he only can use his right hand in fights.

[shinta|hikari]

Touma's power does not work that way. He can be affected by magic or abilities, excluding his right hand which nullifies them. What is the point of him extending his hand in front of him in the first place if his whole body is invulnerable?

If his nullification did indeed extend throughout his entire body, they would not intentionally make Mikoto grasp the right hand when she could have just as easily (or more easily for that matter) grabbed his shoulder.

I think the reason why Kuroko cannot teleport Touma is because she was trying to teleport him entirely, including his right hand. Since the power does not work on his right hand, the entire calculation and execution of the teleportation will be off, and as we saw, simply did not activate. Either that, or the mere fact that the right hand is included as a subject of teleportation allows the hand to absorb all the energy/power/whatever directed towards it, causing the execution of the teleportation to never reach completion.

[Kraco]

If somebody cut off Touma's right arm and replaced his own with it, would the magic nullifying power be transferred to that person? According to the theory only his right hand has any power, it should, shouldn't it? If it didn't work, it would indicate Touma is like any esper but has lousy control over his own power and with little practice he would eventually be able to extend the nullifying power all over his body.

Although I doubt he would willingly accept such an experiment...

[Buffalobiian]

If somebody cut off Touma's right arm and replaced his own with it, would the magic nullifying power be transferred to that person?

Hmm..I wonder.

What I do remember is when Touma's arm was chopped off by the Alchemist in Index, the doctor reattached it form him with do dramas.

If the arm's powers are transferable, strongly suggesting the arm itself contains esper-nullifying properties, then any esper techniques involved in the reattachment would have also been ineffective.

You could argue that science had advanced enough for doctors to attach nerves, muscle, bone and all perfectly. With the renowned alias of "Heaven's Canceler" though, his methods should be all but normal.

[Shadow Skill]

When the Alchemist chopped his hand/arm off, there was a dragon in it's place...

I don't believe the nullifying powers are transferrable.

I'm liking this prequel story, even though there's less Touma. :)

[Buffalobiian]

When the Alchemist chopped his hand/arm off, there was a dragon in it's place...


The dragon was a manifestation of the Alchemist's own fear, not a feature of Touma's right arm.

[Ryllharu]

The dragon was a manifestation of Alchemist's imagination, literally his worst nightmare. His powers were the creation of twisted self-delusion, and when Touma nullified those with his powers, Alchemist started to freak out, just like any esper or magician both series have ever shown. Once he was able to use a physical blade to sever Touma's arm, Alchemist imagined the blood spewing from Touma's arm to be a dragon.

Touma really didn't do a whole lot other than nullify a few objects that Alchemist created. The difference is that Alchemist kept imagining Touma being more and more powerful.

[Shadow Skill]

So.. how'd he nullify stuff without his Right hand then?

After rewatching episode 9 of the Index story, none of them had an explanation as to why there was a dragon in his arm. :/ You could be right though, sounds a little odd though for an explanation considering the circumstances. I'm just being picky though, forgive me. :)

Back on topic. Judging from the story, this takes place before Index, but leads up to the point of Touma meeting Index or is this Story Arc centered on Misaka only?

[Archangel]

Ryllharu didn't just pull that explanation out of his ass, it makes perfect sense if you just calmly analyze the situation.

All of this is centered about, you guessed it, Railgun but being a spinoff in the same time span as the original you'll find certain repetitions of already seen events although under the perspective of other characters. That said, the story itself also has many exclusive arcs itself that any Misaka fan is sure to enjoy

[RyougaZell]

At this point, I don't think this quote from the 1st novel's prologue would be considered a spoiler. I'll 'white it' just in case. But this pretty much explains what everybody has already concluded here.

Removed before Im reported for suppossed 'spoiling' despite the fact that the scene takes places in the prologue of the novel of the first episode of index... over 20+ episodes ago. Yes, it happens only her on gotwoot.

[Archangel]

I can already picture Ryllharu... sharpening his blade :p

[Ryllharu]

Ryllharu didn't just pull that explanation out of his ass, it makes perfect sense if you just calmly analyze the situation.
Regardless of whatever it was Zell actually posted (I've been asleep since I posted in the bitching thread), I'm not even that clever. They say it directly.

Episode 9 of Index, Steyr explains to Touma about the dragon at the 18:36 mark of Eclipse's subs. Steyr speculates that was the form of the despair that Aurelous must have felt at that final moment. Combine that with the thorough explanation of his powers that Touma kept saying while he approached him and what they had determined during the battle, and you get exactly what I wrote.

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah after his arm got cut off Touma kept going and freaked out the Alchemist. That made him think for a second that Touma could not be beaten, thus the blade for his head missed. Then he thought that when he Guillotines dropped that they would be canceled out. So basically they were canceled out by the Alchemists own power. Anyway....this is Railgun not Index. Argue in the Index thread if you want to.

[Archangel]

Talk about your "in fuego", only 4 episodes and already 165 comments

[RyougaZell]

That's why I nominated it for the section, but the mods didn't want it. Im still waiting for the subforum to be deleted as well. Oh well.

@Ryll
What I had posted was about the Bridge scene at the beginning of Index. Not about Styll nor the alchemist.

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[Ryllharu]

I love the diligent side of Kuroko. While she ends up being comedy relief most of the time with her obsession with Mikoto, Kuroko's strong conviction of doing the right thing makes her such a great character. It was also nice to see that backfire on her some of the time, stressing on why a strong sense of justice isn't all that useful unless you have enough common sense and proper judgment to go along with it.

Young Kuroko got overconfident, just like her sempai told her not to, and it nearly got them all killed. A powerful lesson for someone like her.


What I found more intriguing was that Kuroko learned to teleport other objects and people long before she could teleport herself. I found that the most interesting. It would seem like teleporting people wouldn't be any different that teleporting yourself, but there must be some mental grounding that Kuroko has to do in order to know where she fits into the world before she teleports herself. We normally see her flit around all over the place, so hearing her saying she can't teleport herself was startling.

I wonder if this has to do with her comment to the Oujo type rival she has at the school, where Kuroko said she teleports through 10 dimensions rather than just 3.

[Buffalobiian]

I love the diligent side of Kuroko. While she ends up being comedy relief most of the time with her obsession with Mikoto, Kuroko's strong conviction of doing the right thing makes her such a great character. It was also nice to see that backfire on her some of the time, stressing on why a strong sense of justice isn't all that useful unless you have enough common sense and proper judgment to go along with it.

I like how you worded this ;)


Young Kuroko got overconfident, just like her sempai told her not to, and it nearly got them all killed. A powerful lesson for someone like her.

What I found (best described as) annoying was that she repeated the same mistake again that could have cost her comrade's life. You'd think such an emotionally stimulating event would have a greater impact on her, but she still jumped the gun. It's almost like she's forgotten her lesson.

Kudos to Uiharu for yelling at her. Not telling anyone about it would have just mean Kuroko will repeat the same mistake without thought. If she didn't talk back, it would have been the second annoying thing for me.



What I found more intriguing was that Kuroko learned to teleport other objects and people long before she could teleport herself. I found that the most interesting. It would seem like teleporting people wouldn't be any different that teleporting yourself, but there must be some mental grounding that Kuroko has to do in order to know where she fits into the world before she teleports herself. We normally see her flit around all over the place, so hearing her saying she can't teleport herself was startling.

I was very surprised to hear this myself. I'm not expecting them to explain it to us, but I believe you're correct about how self-teleportation requires more effort in the form of self-awareness. When she teleported other people and objects, she could use herself as a reference point, an ability that should be rather instinctive. Teleporting yourself would mean using other places/things as a reference point for yourself instead, increasing its difficulty.

Only thing I see that's wrong with that is it should only impact on its accuracy, rather than an all-or-nothing effect. That is, unless she's not allowed to break objects while teleporting them.

eg. teleporting a cup, but relocating the cup's handle 3cm further than the body would result in a malformed cup upon materialization, and so an "unsuccessful" attempt would reverse the previous steps back to the original cup.

That may also explain why she can't teleport Touma if his arm won't allow it despite not touching his actual arm.

[Ryllharu]

I like how you worded this ;)You make it sound like it wasn't absolutely intentional.
What I found (best described as) annoying was that she repeated the same mistake again that could have cost her comrade's life. You'd think such an emotionally stimulating event would have a greater impact on her, but she still jumped the gun. It's almost like she's forgotten her lesson.

Kudos to Uiharu for yelling at her. Not telling anyone about it would have just mean Kuroko will repeat the same mistake without thought. If she didn't talk back, it would have been the second annoying thing for me.I think the reason that Kuroko forgot about their promise and did it again anyway (and as we saw late in Index, did it yet again), is because of her strong convictions about maintaining order in Academy City. Kuroko takes great pride that she is an Esper, and seems to want to maintain a happy and safe environment for everyone like her to learn in. She was just as fervent when she didn't even have any power back when she was in elementary school. She mostly relied on her jujitsu, not her teleportation as she does now. It's not that she wants to play hero, she just wants to restore order as quickly and as efficiently as possible.

I was very surprised to hear this myself. I'm not expecting them to explain it to us, but I believe you're correct about how self-teleportation requires more effort in the form of self-awareness. When she teleported other people and objects, she could use herself as a reference point, an ability that should be rather instinctive. Teleporting yourself would mean using other places/things as a reference point for yourself instead, increasing its difficulty. That reference point mechanic makes a lot of sense. Aside from rare mental/medical disorders, knowing where you are, where your body parts are, in relation to the world is very innate. We can move things with our limbs, Kuroko decides to misplace things elsewhere with her mind. It would almost be a total disconnect from the world to deny your own location, and declare it somewhere else. When it is described that way, it makes more sense that teleporting oneself would be so hard.


I liked that Kuroko had the exact same attitude that Saten-san had about Mikoto before they knew her.

If moving oneself to particular reference points is how self-teleportation is accomplished, no wonder Kuroko has such ease at finding Mikoto wherever she goes, Mikoto must be Kuroko's most important reference point in the world.

[RyougaZell]

Wow. I truly never expected to see this episode animated so soon. Specially since I saw its manga counterpart just last weekend.

Chibi Kuroko is just so cute... I liked they showed us how the relationship between her and Uiharu began. She was a bit tomboyish as well, which makes me lol since she wants Mikoto to be more lady-like.

Kuroko did a 100% regarding Mikoto as well. And I wonder if she ever learnt that it was Mikoto who saved her.

The flashback showed very little of Mikoto, and never besides neither Kuroko or Uiharu. But she somehow seemed to be the same height as she is currently. Whereas Uiharu and Kuroko looked very small, for being in their last year or elementary. Which grade are they in the present anyway? 7th? Or 8th? I just know Mikoto is a year older... but they seemed too young here.

I hope Mazui releases a V2. There were some awful grammar mistakes on their version. And I refuse to get Ayako's.

Arch, whenever you get yer ass here. Are you as surprised as me to see this animated after we found the chapters just days ago?

EDIT:
Pizza hut supports Railgun (http://www.pizzahut.jp/whatsnew/142_091013_rail/)

Wallpaper (http://www.megaloli.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/railgunpizzawall.jpg)

If someone finds the 2nd wallpaper I'll be thankful

[Archangel]

Haha, Zell had just linked me the manga counterpart of this episode the day before it aired. Good thing it was too late and i decided to read them another time :)

Anyway chibi chibis are always cute and the hearing Kuroko bash on Misaka was really funny to watch so overall good ep

Zell: I didn't find the wallpaper, but i found this

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b232/paulosergio96/6452733.jpg

Isn't it uber cute? Enjoy it

[RyougaZell]

There's really something in that pic that clashes with Mikoto. Dunno what is though.

[Archangel]

The chibiness of it perhaps? Her face is too round but that's what makes it cute

[RyougaZell]

I don't think its the chibiness. We've already seen chibiness with Last Order (MISAKA 20001). The picture could represent Last Order more than Mikoto, if she ever grew up.

[Archangel]

In terms of physical appearance she's still a Misaka clone, only younger, so she should grow up to be just like Misaka and the sisters

In fact:

Last Order - 1 (http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6089/to20aru20majutsu20no20i.jpg)

Baby Misaka - 1 (http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3219/to20aru20kagaku20no20ra.jpg) & 2 (http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9973/to20aru20kagaku20no20ram.jpg)

Spot the differences

[RyougaZell]

I meant the cherry expression.
I can't picture Mikoto doing so, neither 10032... but maybe Last Order could smile cherryly like that.

[Marik]

[Nipponsei] To Aru Kagaku no Railgun OP Single - only my railgun [fripSide].zip (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20To%20Aru%20Kagaku%20no%20Railgun %20OP%20Single%20-%20only%20my%20railgun%20%5BfripSide%5D.zip.torren t)

[Nipponsei] To Aru Kagaku no Railgun ED Single - Dear My Friend -Mada Minu Mirai he- [ELISA].zip (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20To%20Aru%20Kagaku%20no%20Railgun %20ED%20Single%20-%20Dear%20My%20Friend%20-Mada%20Minu%20Mirai%20he-%20%5BELISA%5D.zip.torrent)

[Archangel]

Awesome, i wanted that single for my mp3

[Buffalobiian]

Haha, so it was actually:

Looking!

This blitz loop this planet to search way
Only my Railgun can shoot...

Honestly can't blame fansubs for getting this "wrong". :o

[Archangel]

Music Video (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2009/11/03/fripside-only-my-railgun-pv-to-aru-kagaku-no-railgun-op1/)

Lol, that video is SO bad haha

[Buffalobiian]

Music Video (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2009/11/03/fripside-only-my-railgun-pv-to-aru-kagaku-no-railgun-op1/)

Lol, that video is SO bad haha

Moral of the story:

-Don't make a live action Railgun

[Xelbair]

am i the only one who hates op and ed of this series?

[Buffalobiian]

am i the only one who hates op and ed of this series?

I daresay, yes.

[Archangel]

I daresay, yes.

I second this

[KrayZ33]

I can't say I'm a fan of them...

[Board of Command]

Music Video (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2009/11/03/fripside-only-my-railgun-pv-to-aru-kagaku-no-railgun-op1/)

Lol, that video is SO bad haha
That got creepy near the end with the magician guy.

[Archangel]

The fact that the lead singer has a face made for radio didn't help either

[RyougaZell]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/RyougaZell/34.jpg

[Archangel]

Lol, i thought about posting that too :P

You're also getting rss updates off one manga?

[RyougaZell]

No.
I just tend to check it every lunch break.

I find funny that the To Aru Majutsu no Index manga has skipped directly from the Mikoto - Sisters - Accelerator arc directly to the Mikoto - Mitsuki arc. LOL. The author loves Mikoto. Fine by me.

[Ryllharu]

Can we scale it back on the image posting? At least put them into thumbnails.

This is starting to look like a car forum.

[Marik]

[Ayako] A Certain Scientific Railgun - 06 [HQ][H264][465C395A].mkv (http://t.bt.is-ingenio.us/t/%5BAyako%5D%20A%20Certain%20Scientific%20Railgun%2 0-%2006%20%5BHQ%5D%5BH264%5D%5B465C395A%5D.mkv.torre nt)

[Mazui]​ To​ Aru​ Kagaku​ no​ Railgun​ -​ 06​ [3C31EA74].mkv (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_06_3C31EA74.mkv.torrent)

[RyougaZell]

A somewhat slow episode that ended with a bang (don't forget to see after the credits)

A nice buildup of what is to come though.

And I LOLed at Kuroko trying to preach Mikoto, when she is really rash as well.

[Kraco]

The littering dude totally deserved the shocking.

I wonder how much those Judgement people get paid. It surely would be too much work and responsibility to perform as something equal to club action. School clubs are, after all and obviously, only meant to develop the members themselves (being school related) and this Judgement is more about serving the public. I guess it could be viewed as acknowledged experience when applying to antiskill or other law enforcement forces but still it's going well beyond a mere hobby.

[David75]

The littering dude totally deserved the shocking.

I wonder how much those Judgement people get paid. It surely would be too much work and responsibility to perform as something equal to club action. School clubs are, after all and obviously, only meant to develop the members themselves (being school related) and this Judgement is more about serving the public. I guess it could be viewed as acknowledged experience when applying to antiskill or other law enforcement forces but still it's going well beyond a mere hobby.
My question was more about robots that did the job in previous eps, and were even scolding people littering.

My take on this is that they need to train those power geniuses to common life, so that they have a strong and responsible character.

[Ryllharu]

I guess it could be viewed as acknowledged experience when applying to antiskill or other law enforcement forces but still it's going well beyond a mere hobby.I thought they said in Index that most of the Anti-Skills don't even have Esper powers. They're just like normal SWAT or Riot Police specially trained to counter Espers. I know they said something about it one way or the other in the final arc of the series, but I can't seem to find it.

[Archangel]

I thought they said in Index that most of the Anti-Skills don't even have Esper powers. They're just like normal SWAT or Riot Police specially trained to counter Espers. I know they said something about it one way or the other in the final arc of the series, but I can't seem to find it.

Well i don't remember reading it either but it wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume it was so. In the one part we did see them act back on Index they all had similar equipment and we saw none of them use any sort of powers

[Ryllharu]

@RZ: I am assuming this RZ post at RandomC is also you. I thought it was interesting enough to discuss here, since it didn't look like it was getting any attention there.

I didn’t get why the bag couldn’t get wet. Neither here nor in the manga. Would it have exploded?

It was Konori yelling for Mikoto to save the bag from falling in the fountain.

Konori, knowing it was just a lost bag, didn't want it to get ruined in the water. Given it looked like an inexpensive leather bag, anyone who has gotten leather shoes soaked inside and out during in a rainstorm knows the potential outcome, a terrible smell. It might even have to get thrown away. Given her speech on why any gift from a parent would be especially important, Konori didn't want to see such a memento from home get irreparably damaged.

[RyougaZell]

That's me indeed. I've been cloned a few times, but most of what you can find on the net with that nickname is me. Don't search though.

Regarding the bag... the explanation you give is indeed very reasonable if we take the anime's explanation into consideration. The manga didn't cover most of this though, but it always felt like a very incomplete chapter anyway. Im even considering taking the anime version, on this episode, as the better version.

I think that Mikoto, at some point, must have thought the 'bomb' would be set off because of getting it wet though. Specially since it was a special kind of bomb created via esper powers. Im no expert... but I would assume a bomb would get damaged if it gets underwater, not set off. A normal one though.

[Ryllharu]

Well, upon review I was mistaken. It was Uiharu who gave the speech when she was in the offices, but Konori certainly was thinking along similar lines, which is why they were putting top priority on it in the first place.

Mikoto was basically only using the incomplete information she got from Uiharu and her complete ignorance about what Judgment does to assume that everyone was working on the bomb threats. She misinterpreted the phone call Konori got to be about that topic, and let her imagination and dreams of glory (and showing Kuroko that she is capable of doing Judgment stuff) take over. She just assumed the worst the entire time.

Mikoto didn't really know anything about either case this entire episode, and her ignorance got the better of her. It was funny seeing Konori getting taken aback at why Mikoto was getting so zealous about the search right after the call.


EDIT:

I also forgot about Kuroko at 20:31 (eclipse). She says "Onee-sama" in a super deep voice. Satomi Arai (her seiyuu) was all over the octaves in that scene. It makes Kuroko so much weirder and hilarious.

[Archangel]

Lol, i was bored throughout most of the episode and then that last scene made my whole day and it didn't matter anymore

Seriously, Kuroko takes sexual harassment to a whole new level

[KrayZ33]

The "last scene" with Kuroko (the way she says "One-sema" was really awesome :P) , or the bomb explosion at the end?

btw I expected so much more from this series... this is really boring.
I hope next episode is going to be better.

[Archangel]

The "last scene" with Kuroko (the way she says "One-sema" was really awesome :P) , or the bomb explosion at the end?

The awesome sexual harassment scene obviously

And just hang on a bit, the first main arc is starting next episode

[RyougaZell]

Wikipedia (as unrelaiable it is) updated Railgun number of episodes to 24. I still haven't found info on the official railgun page (via google translator) so I still have my doubts.

[RyougaZell]

To Aru Kagaku no Railgun's Opening Theme Lands at #3
posted on 2009-11-10 11:22 EST
Anime's "only my railgun" song by fripSide sells 26,000 CDs in debut week

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The CD single for "only my railgun," fripSide's opening theme song for the To Aru Kagaku no Railgun television anime series, debuted at #3 on Oricon's CD single ranking chart for the November 2-8 week. It sold 26,000 copies in its first week as fripSide's first top-10 single. Producer Satoshi Yaginuma formed fripSide in 2002 and Yoshino Nanjou (CANAAN) had only just been hired as the group's new vocalist earlier this year. The group had previously sung the Koihime†Musō anime's opening theme "flower of bravery," which landed at #26 in July last year.

Director Tatsuyuki Nagai (IDOLM@STER: XENOGLOSSIA, Toradora!) and J.C. Staff are adapting Motoi Fuyukawa's To Aru Kagaku no Railgun (A Certain Scientific Railgun) manga for Japanese television. The To Aru Kagaku no Railgun manga is itself a spinoff from Kazuma Kamachi's To Aru Majutsu no Index (A Certain Magical Index) light novels that are set in Academy City, a city where about 80% of its 230,000 citizens are students. The spinoff deals with the adventures of Mikoto Misaka, one of the Level 5 psychics in the original light novels. The anime premiered on October 2.

Source: Mainichi Shimbun's Mantan Web (http://mainichi.jp/enta/mantan/news/20091109mog00m200038000c.html)



Source: ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-11-10/to-aru-kagaku-no-railgun-opening-theme-lands-at-no.3)

[Archangel]

That's surprising, i didn't think the single was that good

[Marik]

[Mazui]​ To​ Aru​ Kagaku​ no​ Railgun - 07 - HD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_07_D0494691.mkv.torrent) | SD (http://herpes.deepbone.net/data/torrents/Mazui_To_Aru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_-_07_XviDAA2792FC.avi.torrent)

[Ayako] A Certain Scientific Railgun - 07 - HD (http://t.bt.is-ingenio.us/t/%5BAyako%5D%20A%20Certain%20Scientific%20Railgun%2 0-%2007%20%5BHQ%5D%5BH264%5D%5B655E35B7%5D.mkv.torre nt) | SD (http://t.bt.is-ingenio.us/t/%5BAyako%5D%20A%20Certain%20Scientific%20Railgun%2 0-%2007%20%5BLQ%5D%5BXVID%5D%5B4FB6460B%5D.avi.torre nt)

[RyougaZell]

That was fast o_O

Too bad im at the office. I shall download it in about 4 hours when I get home.

[Ryllharu]

Mazui's version was not very good, and it had technical problems. The technical issues seem to be from an incomplete copy I got off of Mazui's bots (fixing with the torrent now), but I didn't really like the flow of their translation, and there's just way too much crap on the screen during the OP, which surprisingly caused slowdown on my computer.

I will never download their version again. Ayako is worth waiting for.

Will comment on the episode when I can finish watching it.

EDIT:
Got Ayako's version instead.

No wonder Mikoto is all tsundere around Touma. He's a really nice person, helping some random little girl around like a brother, then saving her ass like some action film hero, and modestly denying he had any part in it when she gets the credit instead. Which of turn, pisses her off more.

It was a very dramatic visual looking at the scene with Kuroko standing in the same spot he did, with a spotless section of floor.

I wonder if they are starting to build up a sub-plot about Saten being powerless compared to her friends (even the ultra-cute Uiharu).

[Archangel]

My main concern with Ayako was their video quality, but that's all taken care of now right?

I wasn't really happy with Mazui's subs and Nuke was a but too literal for me, so maybe i should start archiving them instead?

[Buffalobiian]

Mazui's version was not very good, and it had technical problems. The technical issues seem to be from an incomplete copy I got off of Mazui's bots (fixing with the torrent now), but I didn't really like the flow of their translation, and there's just way too much crap on the screen during the OP, which surprisingly caused slowdown on my computer.

I will never download their version again. Ayako is worth waiting for.

Will comment on the episode when I can finish watching it.

I grabbed Mazui's this time round simply because Ayako's didn't finish downloading by the time my off-peak download quota rolled to peak today.

I already had an idea that the softsubs during the OP was causing momentary pauses, and I took the opportunity to confirm that today. Every time the soft-subs change to a new line, there will be a slight pause, making everything chug intermittently.

I didn't notice anything about Ayako's video being subpar from episode 02 onwards, so give that a go Archie.


It was a very dramatic visual looking at the scene with Kuroko standing in the same spot he did, with a spotless section of floor.

That is certainly true. It feels like we were looking through Kuroko's eyes as she imagined how the crime (or action, in this case) happened. The starkly contrasting floor had an awe-inspiring effect.

I'm confused at how Touma managed to block that though. My logic tells me blocking an explosion like that is like trying to block Mikoto's railgun (to my knowledge, that hasn't happened before/yet). If he had grabbed the metal or the graviton I would have understood, but an explosion seemed like an after effect. Wiki isn't very good at telling me how gravitons can cause explosions. (high gravity causing objects to crumple, compressing atoms to force a small scale atomic fusion reaction? No idea)

They keep bringing up the AIM field, which was interesting, because I always had a hunch that nullifying that has something to do with the basic principles of how Touma's arm works ever since they first introduced the concept in Index, since he would destroy the girl who was manifested by its accumulation.

Apparently only espers emit this, but they can't control it. In which case, I wonder if magic is but the result of harnessing and control this An Involuntary Movement in a way that users (magicians) can control its effect. It could explain why Touma's hand works against magic as well.

Kuroko mentioned that Mikoto increased her power through hard work, while AIM by definition suggests that espers have no control over emitting it or not. Evidence which may back this up exists already, such as how Mikoto always has a residual charge on her that makes animals uncomfortable, and how Touma's hand keeps nullifying his luck.

In that case, it implies that espers, through use, can gradually improve or refine their ability, but they won't be able to change the nature of that (or induce a rapid change).

Tying this in with AIM talk <-> Sudden power improvements <-> Level Upper <-> developments in AIM research, it only makes sense that someone (stripper *cough*) is doing some unreported/unauthorized experimenting.

[RyougaZell]

I haven't had slowdowns with Mazui's version as of yet. Guess its my 4GB of ram =P. I just can't go and get Ayako. I won't take it well if they drop the show middway, like they did with Valkyria Chronicles.

The episode itself was as I expected, due to the differences with the manga. One thing I didn't like was the fact of the little girl meeting Uiharu until she had the gravitoned toy. In the manga she saw Uiharu just as soon after Touma saw Mikoto in front of the mirrors. Without this scene... how can you explain the girl running at her saying Onee-chan? Just because of the crazy guy? I know its plausible, but the original scene made more sense.

For a moment I thought Mikoto's remembrance of what really happened was cut out, but it was fortunately at the end of the episode.

Like Ryll pointed out a few episodes ago, we are truly seeing the impact Touma had upon losing his memories. He doesn't go preaching everybody like he did in Index. He just acts.

[Buffalobiian]

I haven't had slowdowns with Mazui's version as of yet. Guess its my 4GB of ram =P. I just can't go and get Ayako. I won't take it well if they drop the show middway, like they did with Valkyria Chronicles.
.

I highly doubt having that much RAM makes the difference. I've got 3GB, and I never use more than 1.8 anyway.

From playing Mazui's Railgun Ep07 OP, peak physical memory usage was all of 90.7MB.

[Kraco]

The OP video seems to have some jerking in the Mazui version but otherwise I find no problems in their release. The translation is also just fine. I've been getting them and I intend to archive them as well. I skip the OP anyway, and even if I didn't, the problems aren't really intolerable (unless you have David's sensitivity).

I'm really liking Mikoto's tsundereness, more and more episode by episode. This show always becomes several times better when a scene is shared by Mikoto and Touma. Like RZ said, if anything this show makes Touma's memory loss really tragic. Good thing for the English church Touma isn't vengeful or he would travel to the UK to personally thank a few members of the church. Although he should still do that for what they did to Index.

I also don't get how Touma stopped the explosion. I thought they were caused by the dude compressing matter beyond what it should be able to be compressed and thus when the ESP power effect is cut, the compressed matter would expand, like a ruptured gas cylinder. I guess it will remain a mystery, though, since the dude wasn't really the real focus of the arc but the Level Upper.

[Ryllharu]

The episode itself was as I expected, due to the differences with the manga. One thing I didn't like was the fact of the little girl meeting Uiharu until she had the gravitoned toy. In the manga she saw Uiharu just as soon after Touma saw Mikoto in front of the mirrors. Without this scene... how can you explain the girl running at her saying Onee-chan? Just because of the crazy guy? I know its plausible, but the original scene made more sense.I didn't see any problem with that scene.

The girl was young, and Uiharu is an authority/helpful figure simply because she is a member of Judgment. It isn't uncommon in anime to see someone completely unrelated to an older girl/woman who helped out (or disciplined) a younger child being called "Onee-*" by that child. Actually, it's very common.


I had expected Touma to grab the toy and stop the reaction completely when Mikoto dropped her coin. I don't get it either, since the explosion itself should be like Accelerator's thrown I-beams, and be unblockable. Perhaps the explosion itself was a continuation of that power. It was rather sustained for an "explosion," so perhaps gravitons were still influencing the distribution of that compressed matter, which Touma could negate from the arc that contained the three girls.

[Buffalobiian]

The girl was young, and Uiharu is an authority/helpful figure simply because she is a member of Judgment. It isn't uncommon in anime to see someone completely unrelated to an older girl/woman who helped out (or disciplined) a younger child being called "Onee-*" by that child. Actually, it's very common.


To add to that, in various Asian cultures the terms "older sister (onee-chan), "older brother", "uncle/ middle-aged man" and "gramps" are used to refer to a person of that age bracket when you don't know their name (and hence can't use an honorific). The use generally implies a level of respect (hence the common use of referring to older people), rather than a level of familiarity.

edit: At last, a decent Index/Railgun figure

http://www.animeraku.com/2009/11/gscs-index-18-pvc-preview.html

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7519/gscindex4.jpg

I have no intention of getting her, but it still looks great.

[RyougaZell]

I do get the meaning behind the 'Onee-chan' Ryll and Buff.
But remember this was the same little girl from the previous episode. The one that slept on Uiharu's legs.

The meaning would have been the same, but the girl would have been more eager to give Uiharu the doll, to her onee-chan, if she had seen her before getting the doll.

Or maybe she did see her and ran happily... oh whatever. The scene works like that as well. I was just ranting about a different scene... but many have been adjusted anyways.

I never stopped to think about the explosion being stopped by Touma... but I guess you guys raise fair points. Was the explosion still influenced by the gravitons? We could only conclude they were.

@Bill: Let me know when a new Mikoto model comes out. The last three have been dissapointing, only the first one was good, but the features are really different from the anime Mikoto, solely based on the fact that the first figure (which I own) was based on the novel version of Mikoto. This is Index's second figure btw.

[Yukimura]

I liked the moral of this episode in part because it once again raised the question that has been an underlying theme of this show for the last few episodes, what do you do when 'the system' fails?. Bomber-kun was basically a bullied kid who got his hands on some power and choose to use it to try and redress wrongs he perceived in the world. Traditionally the line fed to bullied kids is to rely on authority figures to protect them because fighting back makes them just as bad as the bullies. Rarely do you hear anyone 'official' telling this type of person what they should do when the authority figures fail them repeatedly. Bomber-kun's actions struck me as those of a person who believed very strongly in the idea of the system, in this case Judgment, but was embittered by it's repeated failures to help him. Thus he sought to punish the agents of the system for failing in their duties rather than attempting to punish the people directly responsible for his problems, which the system would probably frown upon.

While he's quite deplorable I can see some twisted logic in his actions and I think it raises interesting questions about 'proper' behavior in a society with a system meant to govern and regulate society which is unreliable for some members of the society. When systems like this fail it's generally still expected that people play by the rules and continue to rely on the system in the future. A similar scenario can be seen from the ESPer database's recent shortcomings. Kuroko, and apparently everyone in Judgment, seem to have strong faith in this system being foolproof and thus have a hard time discarding what it says. In contrast, Misaka doesn't follow the philosophy of 'trust in the system' as closely as the others from what I've gleaned. She advocates taking matters into her own hands and solving problems herself. Thus I took her comments chastising Bomber-kun as a criticism not of his use of his power against people but of his use of his power against people who didn't directly hurt him.

The key contrast I see here is faith/expectations in the system to solve your problems. Misaka seemingly doesn't have it, Bomber-kun seemingly does, in spades. The system asks people to forgo using their individual power to protect themselves and promises to provide them all protection through agencies like Judgment and Anti-Skill. I gleaned this from Kuroko's constant chastising of Misaka for taking matters into her own hands rather than relying on Judgment. For Bomber-kun, who perhaps represents undue attachment to the system, this principle can be seen as his fundamental guide. He only hurt the people who volunteered to put their lives on the line to protect others but didn't protect him when he needed it. I certainly wouldn't argue he's not a bad guy and his actions weren't deranged, but he's good food for thought about the expected consequences that can arise from having a system that people are taught to believe in fail them again and again. Misaka on the other hand seems to represent lack of faith in the system (as opposed to herself) and I won't be surprised if that trait ends up coming in handy in the ultimate conclusion of this story.


TL; DR Mikoto goes rogue once again and catches the bad guy. Then she indirectly advises a terrorist bomber to go rogue against the people who hurt him instead of going rogue against the people who failed to protect him. Misaka Logic: If you're weak and it causes you problems, get stronger so you can blow up your problems yourself, don't take your anger out on those who we supposed to protect you but failed.

[Ryllharu]

In contrast, Misaka doesn't follow the philosophy of 'trust in the system' as closely as the others from what I've gleaned. She advocates butting in to situations where she really doesn't have the authority or fully understand the responsibilities of those positions and getting herself into trouble where someone else ends up having to save (or at least assist) her despite her overwhelming power.
I think you had a mistake or two in there. I fixed them for you, no need to thank me.

[Kraco]

I'm not altogether sure Bomber-kun ever really reported the crimes and thus Judgement was ever really aware of the fact he got his money robbed every day. It seems to me he has lots of malice and the kind of mental condition and thought process that since Judgement isn't (magically) fixing his problems like it would in an ideal world, it's a complete failure and has personally betrayed him. I'd even go as far as saying the dude had a martyr complex that had been fed by the constant bullying.

I also don't believe that Misaka doesn't trust the system. Her actions are more like a combination of her rather competitive and aggressive nature and the fact she's so powerful she rarely needs anybody's help. When you always win your own fights (and even help others in theirs) it won't occur to you somebody in reality should be doing the fighting for you. However, she has shown she respects Kuroko's work and encourages her in it.

[Marik]

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[Buffalobiian]

So much head banging. So much awesomeness.

That was some seriously good acting by Mikoto. I'd love to see her pull one on Touma sometime, but I'm not expecting it.

Guess Level Upper is some drug that screws you over later huh? I'm wondering how far they'll take this Rescue Saten arc in terms of making Saten stray, become a victim or even become an antagonist for part of the series. Things haven't really been "serious" yet, so I hope they bring in something grand.

[Ryllharu]

I noticed the restaurant that Mikoto was at was the same one shown in the first scene after the OP in Index.

[Buffalobiian]

I noticed the restaurant that Mikoto was at was the same one shown in the first scene after the OP in Index.

Hmm, good eyes Ryll.

Talking about stuff from Index, the physics stuff they brought up pretty much coincided with the previous proposed explanations on powers back then too. I think it was also Ryll who proposed the Schrödinger's cat theory.

[RyougaZell]

Im still laughing at poor Kuroko. Mikoto practically burned her brain back there.

[David75]

Im still laughing at poor Kuroko. Mikoto practically burned her brain back there.

Oh You wish you were replacing Saten and share tastes with Mikoto.
When Kuroko banged her head, I had a smile thinking you'd probably do the same while watching that ep :D

[Kraco]

Guess Level Upper is some drug that screws you over later huh?

It seems to be audio. That's why the bomber was always listening to something, everywhere. Since the esper powers depend on personal reality, then the more immersed you are in your own reality, the stronger you can become. In that sense listening to suitable brainwashing audio would make perfect sense.

It's a good question why it would induce coma, though. Maybe it's simply too fast and the body can't keep up with the strain caused by the boosted esper powers. Or maybe it also has something to do with the personal reality. It could be a twisted form that's generated by the brainwashing audio. In some sense a state of coma could be the highest form of personal reality, of course.

Back during the restaurant scene I was almost sure Touma would appear behind Mikoto and ask what the hell Biribiri is doing talking like that.

[fireheart]

Back during the restaurant scene I was almost sure Touma would appear behind Mikoto and ask what the hell Biribiri is doing talking like that.

Possible spoilers removed for reason Archie mentions down there. The series seems to be shuffling content in any case so let's play it safe.

Anyway didn't really hit me before now but isn't the line that Mikoto says before punching the graviton guy the same as the line Touma said before punching punching accelerator though think he added a few lines.

[Archangel]

Spoiler spoiler spoiler spoilser and moar spoiler

Anyway didn't really hit me before now but isn't the line that Mikoto says before punching the graviton guy the same as the line Touma said before punching punching accelerator though think he added a few lines.

That scene may still come up in the future under different circumstances, i would edit that if i were you

[RyougaZell]

Oh You wish you were replacing Saten and share tastes with Mikoto.
When Kuroko banged her head, I had a smile thinking you'd probably do the same while watching that ep :D

Believe me. I was tempted.

One thing that was removed, and I don't understand why, is Mikoto holding a little bottle on her hands. In the manga she used it to fake her tears. I guess her anime self can shed them by herself.

Do you guys remember episode 1? The useless shot of the thug's mp3 player? We seem to have our reason now, for he was also on the report the doctor had.

[Archangel]

What i missed the most was the blank stare of death after the head banging

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4914/railgan01160u.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8190/railgan01160.jpg)

[Marik]

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[RyougaZell]

And here I am stuck at the office for one hour and a half more. Add the half hour it will take to get home... plus the half an hour to download... dang... *cries*

[Archangel]

And here I am stuck at the office for one hour and a half more. Add the half hour it will take to get home... plus the half an hour to download... dang... *cries*

/me whips Zell

Less talky, more worky

[RyougaZell]

Shut it Arch.

And Kuroko was awesome this episode. Totally.

[Kraco]

She does have lots of pride, though. She absolutely had to beat the dude in an eye to eye fight. I guess she judges two ribs a fair price for retaining that pride. But then again, based on her actions, I don't think she has been involved in too many potentially lethal fights so far. Although remembering Mikoto's cute reaction under Touma's raised fist, it's not like even the better ones were all that battle scarred.

I'm getting an ominous feeling that now that they are solving a real case, there won't be much room for Mikoto-Touma interaction anymore. Even though this series is supposed to be about Mikoto, not Judgement...

[Ryllharu]

Mikoto always butts in to Judgment work though. I had thought the series was supposed to be about Mikoto & Friends, meaning primarily Kuroko among those. Index isn't really about its title character either. She's barely even in the show when you look back.

I'm dying of suspense to know whether Saten is going to use Level Upper or not!

[David75]

Yup, we are now dealing with Kuroko's limits.
She's not that bad with her powers and wits, but lacks a bit in the experience/fighting department.
What's more, she got involved with absolutely no backup available.

Hopefully for her, the guy wasn't that powerful, but he was on his turf and not that dumb... except he didn't understand Kuroko's explanations of what she was about to do...
He was very dumb at the time, but I think Kuroko was dumb too.
I would never explain my strategy, intentions and how things should turn out to my enemy in a fight.
Maybe after I beat them... but not before I do so. I said maybe after, because I do not think it's a good idea even after, since I could meet with the guy another time.
But I would allow that one in anime, as there's sometimes a need for explanations for the viewers.

As I thought, and it was obvious, Kuroko can teleport objects through/inside other objects.
Her power really is great but also dangerous for herself or her surrondings.
I guess she really had to practice slowly not to make a fatal mistake...

A strong point in that ep was the growing angst induced by Saten-san about to decide to try the level-upper.

Fanservice was nice too

[KrayZ33]

great episode!

the fight was awesome
and Saten always wears such nice clothes :o

[Buffalobiian]

Yup, we are now dealing with Kuroko's limits.
She's not that bad with her powers and wits, but lacks a bit in the experience/fighting department.
What's more, she got involved with absolutely no backup available.

Hopefully for her, the guy wasn't that powerful, but he was on his turf and not that dumb... except he didn't understand Kuroko's explanations of what she was about to do...
He was very dumb at the time, but I think Kuroko was dumb too.
I would never explain my strategy, intentions and how things should turn out to my enemy in a fight.
Maybe after I beat them... but not before I do so. I said maybe after, because I do not think it's a good idea even after, since I could meet with the guy another time.
But I would allow that one in anime, as there's sometimes a need for explanations for the viewers.



I felt that she was obliged to explain her deadliness as a warning for the guy. As judgment, she can't randomly go out to kill people. When police whip out a gun, they tend to yell "Freeze! or I'll shoot" or something similar. Normal people understand the consequences of being shot by a gun. Since weapons here are so diverse, they took the opportunity to flash out her powers as well as remind us again that Kuroko is part of a law enforcement organisation and not some street gang.

I agree with Zell. Kuroko was totally cool.

I had a different idea of what her attack was going to be though. Given how deadly her warning made it out to be and displaying how well glass can cut concrete, I thought she was going to teleport the glass horizontally in the general area of the guy and cut him open instead. It's the same application as the rods, but on a larger level that does not require pinpoint knowledge of the person's body

Bit too gory for Railgun I guess.

[Archangel]

Lol, do keep in mind that although extremely powerful these are still just children.

At the exception of a few selected individuals like Accelerator i don't think they are capable of murder

[Ryllharu]

As cool as Kuroko's fight was (if an little inelegant), this is what really made the episode for me.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3219/to20aru20kagaku20no20ra.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3219/to20aru20kagaku20no20ra.jpg)

She's so damn cute!

[Archangel]

New avatar for Ryllharu :p

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8829/66873349.jpg

I think that scene was the epitome of her cuteness

[Marik]

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[Ryllharu]

The end of the episode did bring up a good point. What the hell is Uiharu's ability anyway?

I'm a bit disappointed in Saten. I thought she was better than that. I guess Mikoto was right though, just because she made it through hard work, doesn't mean everyone else won't take the easy route out. She has been taking her own experiences and impressing them on others, where it usually isn't appropriate. She's at the top of the stack, a lot of others must be jealous no matter how much work she says it took since all to many of them might have tried just as hard as she did early on and never got anywhere.

I'm still half expecting her to casually mention that while she might be a Level 5, she knows a certain someone who can beat her every time.

[RyougaZell]

I always thought Uiharu's ability was centered on something computer related and that was why she was Kuroko's support.

At first I thought Saten collapsed too soon, but then they pointed out at least 5 days have passed since she heard the Level Upper.

And who didn't see this coming about Stripper Sensei?

LOL

[digitalrurouni]

This show is slowly but surely growing on me. I especially enjoy how they bring in ah crap I forgot his name...the one with the hand that cancels all the powers...ah yeah Touma.

[Archangel]

The end of the episode did bring up a good point. What the hell is Uiharu's ability anyway?

You got that just now? I've been curious about it the moment they said she was from Judgement.

Great episode, we're finally getting to the part i haven't read yet ( Why did i ever read the manga? WHY?? ) and the preview looks especially awesome this week

[Ryllharu]

You got that just now? I've been curious about it the moment they said she was from Judgement.
Like RZ, I assumed it had something to do with computers and was pretty mundane. She is also supposedly just a Level 1, so maybe it was something semi-pointless like she can see electrons or something.

When Stripper Sensei wondered if the flowers had anything to do with her powers, Uiharu's subsequent snapped non-reply, and Kuroko made those remarks about if it was in the right place under the right circumstances, etc., I remembered that Uiharu had powers at all.