Toaru Kagaku no Railgun [Archive] - Page 3

David75

Sun, 05-12-2013, 11:59 AM

Accelerator will meet someone who knows how to use his powers against him. That we know from the first show.
Even if the explanation was a bit too cheesy for my tastes, Accelerator isn't unbeatable. Even without the more effective and simple ways Kraco mentioned.

That reminds me that Accelerator would probably be useless against Kuroko. Well almost anyone would be per our former discussions.
But in that particular case, Accelerator can reverse anything coming at him or touching him. But since Kuroko can teleport things, there's no reverse option and no vector/speed change Accelerator could use if objects appear inside him, like a pebble or anything teleported inside his brain.

Xelbair

Sun, 05-12-2013, 12:40 PM

Well, according to Index he hasn't been hurt even once before Touma's punch. so i doubt that anyone can win vs him.

Reversal of vectors is default mode of the barrier around him, but it is not the only one. He can alter vectors too.

Teleportation - we don't know how exactly her power works - she might be moving stuff through extra dimensions as it was theorized before, therefore teleportation uses a vector, albeit not a 3d one. It can be reversed/altered.

The theory behind teleportation is to get away from the 3 dimensions, find his/her position in the 11th dimension, and then calculate the vectors to teleport.
source - Index wiki

I think that there is only thing that could damage Accelerator - something that it outside of his understanding(new law of physics for example. or some kind of quantum tunnelling-like power effect) -as we are aware that espers need to do precise calculations to properly apply their powers.

Kraco

Sun, 05-12-2013, 01:45 PM

Well, according to Index he hasn't been hurt even once before Touma's punch. so i doubt that anyone can win vs him.

That doesn't prove anything siginificant at all. It's not like beating Accelerator would have been the life's mission to anybody but some miserable lowlifes that we have seen attacking him. Even Accelerator himself never wandered around looking for strong people to beat. He was annoyed when fools appeared out of nowhere to challenge him in vain. So, why would anybody more intelligent and actually strong even bother? They would require a strong motive like Mikoto trying to save her sisters. It doesn't need to be mentioned how rare such an incentive would be. If nobody serious ever tries, then nothing can be proven. Except that the first, or second if you count Mikoto, serious person who did try, Touma, actually did beat the mighty, invincible Accelerator. Not much of a legend if you think about it...

Xelbair

Sun, 05-12-2013, 03:53 PM

I'm willing to bet that all lv5 have fought with each other to test the limits of their power.

Archangel

Sun, 05-12-2013, 08:04 PM

There is not a single thing that can even damage Accelerator(except Touma)...
You've already forgot that scientist dude who shat on him hardcore?

shinta|hikari

Sun, 05-12-2013, 08:54 PM

I'm pretty sure Teleporters cannot even touch Accelerator, otherwise all decent Teleporters would be level 5, and Accelerator won't be number 1 out of the level 5s. It was already deduced before that Kuroko adds vectors to anything she teleports, so Accelerator's reflect will work on it.

Killing 128 original Railguns was deemed necessary to make Accelerator level 6, so yeah, Mikoto will never be able to beat him.

Saying that no one is seriously after Accelerator's life despite him being number 1 in the entire city is absurd. He is performing an experiment that involves killing 20,000 Railgun clones, and only because there aren't enough original Railguns to beat. Don't you think the other Level 5s or powerful espers will be involved in something similar? The very nature of ranking espers means they are competing with each other, and not all competitions are friendly and fair, as we have seen from the 4th ranked level 5 and the insane Accelerator. What's the most straightforward method to be the number 1 in the city? Just get rid of the number 1. The reason Accelerator retains that spot is simply because no one is able to beat him, except of course Touma, who won by being underestimated, luck, and plot armor.

Poisoning his food might work though, if he was stupid enough to eat food someone else has prepared, which is quite possible after he was changed by Last Order.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 05-13-2013, 01:16 AM

You've already forgot that scientist dude who shat on him hardcore?

Are you talking about the one who put a bullet in his brain? That guy took on Accel when he used his full processing power to decode Last Order's virus, so I'm not sure I'll give him much credit for that.

As for the Top Esper Competition, I'm not sure there's some real combat ranking per se. I'd say each esper simply just gets evaluated on their ability and ranked, just like Mikoto gets ranked in the railgun-test. The question I've always had was how they evaluated esper powers. Something "objective" would be energy output, but it would be difficult to apply that across the board when some abilities such as mind-control doesn't use power its basis for "ability". Control obviously plays a part in it, but how you gauge that is an even bigger question.

Based on that, the exact definition of a level 6 isn't even given to us, so I have no idea about what such a "breakthrough" signifies beyond +1 to an arbitrary category system.

Kraco

Mon, 05-13-2013, 01:28 AM

We haven't seen other level 5s than Accelerator, Biribiri, and Mental Out, if memory serves. We know Mikoto is no match against Accelerator, and we can deduce Misaki is neither as it's all too easy to imagine reading and affecting brain waves requires traffic to and from (Mikoto is able to block it, after all), plus she's even using that remote controller for whatever purpose. Besides, I don't see such a princess character interested in fighting swearing, scruffy men in dark alleys anyway. Mikoto was chasing Touma all the time to have a fight, but we all know her real tsundere motivation behind that action. She would never chase Accelerator similarly.

So, what guarantee do we have any of the level 5 would have a personality making them fight till death against another level 5 just for the sake of a ranking list? Nothing. That's just an assumption. Even Accelerator's personality wasn't deep down like that. If it was, he wouldn't have saved Last Order and suffer her continuous presence by living with her. In fact nothing suggests the highest level espers (4/5) became such by endlessly challenging strong people in fights. It's about personal reality, which makes it all about stuff inside one's head, not gaining experience points from last bosses.

I was never overly impressed by the people behind the level 6 shift program, so I've very high doubts the stupid fights Accelerator went through would serve any other purpose but to make him a psychopath. Seriously, the CPU time they got from Tree Diagram was completely wasted.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-13-2013, 01:59 AM

So, what guarantee do we have any of the level 5 would have a personality making them fight till death against another level 5 just for the sake of a ranking list? Nothing. That's just an assumption.

Of course there is no guarantee. However, that goes both ways. There is no proof of there being no combat between the level 5s at all is there (in fact, a conflict between 3 and 5 was already seen in a previous episode, and a beat down in the next)? There is also no proof that the other ranked espers have no desire to improve their ranks by beating those above them is there? What I am saying is, in a setting where 20,000 clones are being killed to improve the power of 1 esper, it is stranger to assume that no violence, competition, or conflict exists between those at the top.

When Accelerator was beaten in Index, people started coming after him. Why the hell would they do that? While vengeance is a possible reason, it was made obvious that the assailants wanted recognition, which is a perfectly good reason, especially for people nearer the top because they may believe they have a chance.

If you are saying that the others aren't seriously trying to kill Accelerator because the risk is too high for the gain, doesn't that prove Accelerator's superiority and practical invincibility? If he could be killed just by "seriously trying" he would be dead by now.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 05-13-2013, 02:26 AM

Of course there is no guarantee. However, that goes both ways. There is no proof of there being no combat between the level 5s at all is there (in fact, a conflict between 3 and 5 was already seen in a previous episode, and a beat down in the next)? There is also no proof that the other ranked espers have no desire to improve their ranks by beating those above them is there? What I am saying is, in a setting where 20,000 clones are being killed to improve the power of 1 esper, it is stranger to assume that no violence, competition, or conflict exists between those at the top.

While there is no rule that said "No Espers shall fight for rank", the chances of that happening are slim - simply because the way people are being constantly evaluated on-screen are through tests. Kuroko was graded a lvl4 by her control and ability to move objects. But all that's just a side-argument. The biggest reason why fights aren't used to evaluate abilities is because abilities are not military-goal related. This is Academy city, not super-soldier city. Students are assessed on merits, not combat proficiency. Accelerator was made to fight because life/death situations were supposed to advance his ability.

There is nothing to rule out the violent approach you suggested, but at the same time there is simply no reason to evaluate non-combat skills via combat (while there is at least (elusive) reasoning behind the personal-reality and world-bending tests currently used).

People want to take down Accel because:

1) he's an asshole (revenge)
2) he was untouchable (feel good)

You've pointed that out, but you suggest that 2 is meant to boost their ranks. I fail to see Academy City Admin raising anybody's stats because they beat Accel. Touma beat Accel and he's still level zero.

Kraco

Mon, 05-13-2013, 02:34 AM

When Accelerator was beaten in Index, people started coming after him. Why the hell would they do that? While vengeance is a possible reason, it was made obvious that the assailants wanted recognition, which is a perfectly good reason, especially for people nearer the top because they may believe they have a chance.

Yeah, sure they want recognition and fame. But they were all were nobodies, just like the people Mikoto keeps electrocuting in the dark alleys. They are either common ruffians not knowing what they are doing, Skill-Out members, or some level 1 or 2 fools who don't know how they are supposed to develop themselves.

If you are saying that the others aren't seriously trying to kill Accelerator because the risk is too high for the gain, doesn't that prove Accelerator's superiority and practical invincibility? If he could be killed just by "seriously trying" he would be dead by now.

Risk is high, but what exactly is the gain, huh? I said before we have no evidence whatsoever you become a strong esper by defeating strong people in battle. All we have is the bullshit theory from Tree Diagram, which no sane person would buy, because that theory even replaces strong opponents by a huge number of weak opponents. As if a normal human could become stronger by killing 20000 mice one by one, for example. Since your power as an esper is all inside your head, you could become level 5 by sitting in a monastery dwelling in your own little personal reality until you believe you are the emperor of the world and can do anything. Though I doubt in practice great many could pull that off.

And yes, Accelerator could be killed by seriously trying. We have already covered that. But there's no meaning in killing him by underhanded methods. Your fame wouldn't rise among your peers if you told them you killed Accelerator not in a fight but by spicing his meal with botulinum. But then again, we haven't even seen yet serious people who would care about such a fame, just the nonames.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-13-2013, 03:40 AM

@Buff - Ranking non-combat abilities may have to rely on tests as you said, but combat abilities can be compared and ranked by combat. Tests may exists, but that does not mean that defeating a higher ranked esper (and thus proving you are stronger) will not be recognized. Mikoto wanted to sacrifice herself in a battle with Accelerator in Index to save the sisters. She intended to die on the first move, disproving the tree diagram that stated that she would be killed in a set number of moves. This means there is reason to believe that scientific evaluation based on "on screen" tests can be affected by real life events. Real life events are still data after all, and are part of the data used on evaluations. The level 6 experiment being halted indicates this as well. Scientific evaluation and data were overturned by a real battle. The reason Touma did not rise in level is simply because he did not have any observable abilities to begin with.

I guess speculation at this point is moot, because all we are saying is that we cannot disprove each other. It will simply end up in "How do we know..." or "Chances are..." which really have no meaning because all that can be said has already been said at this point. Debating possibilities based on the lack of evidence is pointless.

I am still quite certain that in Academy city, no one can beat Accelerator in a straight fight, even if it is just based on the nature of his power.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 05-13-2013, 03:54 AM

I am still quite certain that in Academy city, no one can beat Accelerator in a straight fight, even if it is just based on the nature of his power.

But.. there's Touma.... :(

Kraco

Mon, 05-13-2013, 04:05 AM

I am still quite certain that in Academy city, no one can beat Accelerator in a straight fight, even if it is just based on the nature of his power.

He seemed to have that sort of fame, if nothing else, so it makes sense most espers would imagine losing the fight immediately.

If I understand correctly, there are already quite a lot of level 4s in Academy city, which means there are all manner of powers as well. Considering how all level 5s are so famous, or at least much attention is paid to being level 5 even if the actual person behind the rank number was largely unknown to the population, it would be strange if there actually weren't a few official level 4s who hold themselves back in the examination to avoid being promoted to level 5. Sure, most people especially of that age would like nothing better than to belong to the glorious elite, but I'm sure there are some among them who'd think two steps ahead, especially since they need to be special to be so strong espers, so they can't be any Jane or John Does. I'd see certain advantages in being officially level 4 but in reality already level 5, all the more so if Shinta is correct and some espers try to climb ranks by proving they are stronger than those right above them. In short, there could be a level 4 with some non-vector power who could actually fight Accelerator. Not that I'd except such a person to appear in the story.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-13-2013, 04:06 AM

@Buff - I never really considered that as a straight fight, since Touma had help from Mikoto and the sisters, unless you considering ganging up on a person a straight fight.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 05-13-2013, 05:18 AM

@Buff - I never really considered that as a straight fight, since Touma had help from Mikoto and the sisters, unless you considering ganging up on a person a straight fight.

Right. I don't remember the exact details, only that Accel somehow missed Touma with the giant pillars and Touma punched him in the face. If Touma had significant help from everybody else though, then I agree that it wasn't all that "straight".

(Just remembered that they screwed up his plasma bomb, so yeah. Accel got handicapped bad)

If I understand correctly, there are already quite a lot of level 4s in Academy city, which means there are all manner of powers as well. Considering how all level 5s are so famous, or at least much attention is paid to being level 5 even if the actual person behind the rank number was largely unknown to the population, it would be strange if there actually weren't a few official level 4s who hold themselves back in the examination to avoid being promoted to level 5. Sure, most people especially of that age would like nothing better than to belong to the glorious elite, but I'm sure there are some among them who'd think two steps ahead, especially since they need to be special to be so strong espers, so they can't be any Jane or John Does. I'd see certain advantages in being officially level 4 but in reality already level 5, all the more so if Shinta is correct and some espers try to climb ranks by proving they are stronger than those right above them. In short, there could be a level 4 with some non-vector power who could actually fight Accelerator. Not that I'd except such a person to appear in the story.

I personally see the most merit being the 2nd strongest in Academy City. You're not targeted for being the "champion", but you also have the ease of mind that the only one officially stronger than you in fact isn't.

If the top guy is seen as invincible (like Accel), then you might be the second alternative that everyone looks for instead. Since you're already stronger than Accel though, all you have to do is show how much of a power gap there is between #2 and #3, and they'll all try the next student in the pecking order.

Kraco

Mon, 05-13-2013, 05:33 AM

I personally see the most merit being the 2nd strongest in Academy City. You're not targeted for being the "champion", but you also have the ease of mind that the only one officially stronger than you in fact isn't.

Yeah, if you care for any merit, then that would be a jolly choice. I was theorising about people who have no use for official recognition and develop themselves purely for their own satisfaction or personal goals. For such people official level 4 would be enough. It would already open the doors (because level 4 is already plenty strong), but they wouldn't be awesomely special level 5 who won't get a good night's sleep from all the buzz and hype. There are people like that, who want to stay in the background.

Marik

Fri, 05-17-2013, 06:31 PM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 06 [720p][B559DBAC].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=434495)
[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 06 [480p][9D9429FC].mp4 (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=434496)

shinta|hikari

Fri, 05-17-2013, 09:48 PM

Buffalobiian

Fri, 05-17-2013, 10:18 PM

I really felt sorry for Mikoto this episode. It was expected, but I guess having her trump card defeated so easily by another person is quite shocking. Accelerator didn't even do anything because his reflection is automatic.

I am surprised Mikoto did not get hit by her own projectile. Maybe Accelerator intentionally adjusted his reflect, because usually it redirects targeted projectiles in the exact same direction it was launched. He was just teasing her after all.

I think it's simply due to problems with tearing off a limb from our dear Mikoto. She's got plenty of spare clones to get an arm from, but no researcher would stick their neck out to repair that.

Kraco

Sat, 05-18-2013, 02:26 AM

I really felt sorry for Mikoto this episode. It was expected, but I guess having her trump card defeated so easily by another person is quite shocking. Accelerator didn't even do anything because his reflection is automatic.

I am surprised Mikoto did not get hit by her own projectile. Maybe Accelerator intentionally adjusted his reflect, because usually it redirects targeted projectiles in the exact same direction it was launched. He was just teasing her after all.

It seems like he usually alters the trajectory during an active battle. I guess that makes sense since the default mode would leave him little control.

Seeing Mikoto's despair and utter defeat in this episode, it's no wonder she fell so hard in love with Touma, in her tsundere fashion, after he defeated Accelerator and thus voided the shift project.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 05-18-2013, 09:36 AM

It seems like he usually alters the trajectory during an active battle. I guess that makes sense since the default mode would leave him little control.

So he normally sets a new default to +15 degrees for battle?

The way he responded sounded like the reflect happened automatically while he was talking, so there shouldn't be any active control at all. I take it that Accel wasn't being sarcastic when he acted confused for a second.

Ryllharu

Sat, 05-18-2013, 09:58 AM

I never thought this arc could be so incredibly boring the second time around. I hope it gets more interesting soon. I nearly started to skim this episode.

Kraco

Sat, 05-18-2013, 02:29 PM

So he normally sets a new default to +15 degrees for battle?

The way he responded sounded like the reflect happened automatically while he was talking, so there shouldn't be any active control at all. I take it that Accel wasn't being sarcastic when he acted confused for a second.

I remember he "apologized" to either Misaka Imouto or some random chav, who got wounded by the default deflect, saying that he was still in his default state, suggesting he wasn't yet in his battle state. Or at least that's how I interpreted it. It also makes sense judging by the evidence we have seen: It looks very much like he first enjoys deflecting all attacks, making the opponent panic, and only then he goes forward himself to deal some damage. It was very pronounced in this Mikoto battle, but it did show quite well indeed in the previous Imouto fight as well. Obviously he couldn't do that if the enemy's first attack was send straight back immediately.

Archangel

Sat, 05-18-2013, 05:55 PM

This week's episode summed up

http://i.imgur.com/n2jnHXf.gif

We already know the conclusion but i'm looking forward to see the journey. For example, the events that led Misaka to consider suicide was her only option left.

Marik

Fri, 05-24-2013, 07:33 PM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 07 [720p][B9A9D548].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=436667)

Buffalobiian

Sat, 05-25-2013, 02:37 AM

Smart. Dedicated. Perverted.

Kuroko would make an awesome wife.

Kraco

Sat, 05-25-2013, 03:45 AM

Poor Mikoto. She shouldn't have refused to eat the gel whatevers, though. It looks like her vigilante activity eats helluva lots of calories, so she could have used the carbohydrates. And it only seems to be getting harder in the future.

Quite a nice contrast to Uiharu & Saten's usual silly everyday life and antics. Kuroko seems to be suffering mentally quite significantly due to Mikoto's troubles. She really loves her onee-sama.

shinta|hikari

Sat, 05-25-2013, 04:08 AM

Finally, ITEM makes its appearance!

Archangel

Sat, 05-25-2013, 06:46 AM

Holy shit that was so boring

Inazuma

Sat, 05-25-2013, 07:23 AM

Holy shit that was so boring

Fast forwarded through and through. That episode was equal to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z779cj87ZRA)

Kraco

Sat, 05-25-2013, 07:39 AM

Holy shit that was so boring

Fast forwarded through and through. That episode was equal to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z779cj87ZRA)

I think this show has pretty much established itself already in such a way that the preview shows high action and thrill, yet when the episode actually comes out, it's 75% slow trudging and 25% action. I'd prefer at least 50-50, because no matter how much I try to like this, it's still a struggle all too regularly. I guess it would be better for a Kuroko fan, but, alas, I was never one.

Marik

Fri, 05-31-2013, 07:48 PM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 08 [720p][D11CB467].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=438802)
[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 08 [480p][10BFE736].mp4 (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=438801)

Buffalobiian

Fri, 05-31-2013, 09:57 PM

This stuff is better than any fight Touma could pull off, since all he can do is talk to them and/or punch them.

Mikoto's power, but particularly control is much better than any Index fights I remember, and probably even the previous Railgun adaptation. Funnily enough, this is largely because she isn't using her railgun move.

Kraco

Sat, 06-01-2013, 02:15 AM

This stuff is better than any fight Touma could pull off, since all he can do is talk to them and/or punch them.

Even so Mikoto is still talking too much and pulling her punches, when the opponent is obviously trying to kill her. You'd think she learned humility from being completely helpless against Accelerator and on the other hand determination from her desperate fight to save the sisters. I guess a person can't change overnight. But then again, she wouldn't be the good old cute Mikoto anymore if she did...

With her opponents multiplying, she ought to start to regret trying to solve everything by herself.

shinta|hikari

Sat, 06-01-2013, 04:59 AM

Ryllharu

Sat, 06-01-2013, 07:48 AM

Because she actually doesn't want to kill someone, and in this case, also wanted more information. That would make her as bad as Accelerator. On some level, she knows she can go further on Touma, because nothing really works on him. Each time she steps it up a little, but even against him it's not her full strength.

This is a repeat of what we saw when she fought Kiyama. The doctor noticed that once Mikoto had switched to fighting the AIM fetus, her power apparently quadrupled. Kiyama and the AIM fetus both used the same shield to disperse Mikoto's powers, but she severely damaged the AIM fetus by going all out against it, superheating the atmosphere. Kiyama only got a good jolt of electricity at the end of their fight, and regained consciousness moments later.

Mikoto always holds back against humans, even Touma to a degree. Kuroko, as often as she gets shocked, doesn't end up with her tongue paralyzed. Frenda got maybe the equivalent to a tazer hit. You get the feeling that Mikoto knows precisely how dangerous she is, and how lethal her powers can be if used incorrectly.

That's why she's one of the good guys. She thinks about how she uses her powers and who she uses them on. It is what separates her from the other Level 5s, who so far have all been sociopaths or flat out psychopaths. Accelerator has been getting better in the Index timeline, but he's still pretty vicious.

edit:
As bad as the Telestina arc was, we also learned that Mikoto uses the coins to limit the range on her railgun. The larger an object she uses, the further it goes, and the more it destroys. The coins disintegrate at exactly 50 meters. Her true range is measured in kilometers.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 06-01-2013, 08:50 AM

edit:
As bad as the Telestina arc was, we also learned that Mikoto uses the coins to limit the range on her railgun. The larger an object she uses, the further it goes, and the more it destroys. The coins disintegrate at exactly 50 meters. Her true range is measured in kilometers.

Not exactly. The coin's range is 50 meters because it disintegrates. Something heavier could arguably travel further given that Mikoto has the energy to propel it (she does, but to what extent we do not know). In the end, it's the durability of the object less so than the size or mass. Size in particular would increase drag and further reduce the durability of the shot.

The blonde girl is probably the most annoying member of item so far. That speech pattern really irks me to no end.

I thought it was kinda cute, but she's a bitch.

KrayZ33

Sat, 06-01-2013, 09:08 AM

The blonde girl is probably the most annoying member of item so far. That speech pattern really irks me to no end.

Mikoto is being really annoying with her strange restraint. Why didn't she just pour electricity directly into the blonde's body when they touched?

cause it would have caused a spark, most likely, at least I don't think its possible to do that without it happening
what was most annoying for me was that weird fuse ability.. so easy to counter especially for mikoto and she managed to get cornered so often

Kraco

Sat, 06-01-2013, 10:03 AM

As bad as the Telestina arc was, we also learned that Mikoto uses the coins to limit the range on her railgun. The larger an object she uses, the further it goes, and the more it destroys. The coins disintegrate at exactly 50 meters. Her true range is measured in kilometers.

I'm pretty sure she uses coins because they are everywhere and they are all the same, within quite a decent error marginal (coins of the same value), so she would know how they behave. They are ammunition she can acquire extremely easily (she's just a middle school girl even if rich, so it could be annoying to try to order special projectiles from some factory), they are standard size and weight, they aren't suspicious (everybody can have coins) and thus can't be even used as evidence against her.

shinta|hikari

Sat, 06-01-2013, 11:17 AM

If Mikoto cannot control the amount of electricity when she pours electricity directly into someone she is touching so that she hurts them but does not kill them, she does not deserve her level 5 rating. She does it to Kuroko all the time, so it should be a piece of cake.

So she can electrocute the air, but not the inside of human body she is directly in contact with? That is pretty fail for a top electromaster. Electricity travels much better on human bodies than air after all. Sparks won't appear if the energy is directed to the body itself. If done in low voltages, the body won't heat up enough to ignite the explosives.

I'd rather think that she simply did not come up with the idea at that time because she was being pressured by kicks than she being unable to control her powers properly.

KrayZ33

Sat, 06-01-2013, 03:22 PM

everytime she does anything sparks fly around her.
the same actually happened when she shocked that blonde chick

do we even know if she is able to generate an electric field "inside" her body, or won't it stun her too if she does?
a pyromancer probably can't boil up his body either without suffering the consequences
I wonder how they are able to control the heat anyway.... whatever, powers vary each episode anyway, the show is doing a poor job in that regard

shinta|hikari

Sat, 06-01-2013, 07:35 PM

whatever, powers vary each episode anyway, the show is doing a poor job in that regard

Exactly my point.

EDIT: Actually, I think the bigger problem for me would be how the espers don't use their powers efficiently. Mikoto can fly around and stick to walls using magnetism, but she chases her enemy on foot, and even maintains the shape of the stairs after it blew up. She could have just zipped directly to the enemy and zap her a bit. It was like the entire fight was there just to show how versatile Mikoto's power are at the expense of her tactical ability.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 06-01-2013, 08:23 PM

Exactly my point.

EDIT: Actually, I think the bigger problem for me would be how the espers don't use their powers efficiently.

I'm glad Mikoto brought up that using her powers uses up energy though. I don't think it was ever really mentioned that using their powers actually costs them anything. I'm honestly not sure how much I can count on this being fact, or just being an inconsistent, one-off comment. If this is true, that means Accelerator can be overwhelmed if we forced him to use his Reflect enough times.

One nuke wouldn't work, but how about 3?

shinta|hikari

Sat, 06-01-2013, 09:46 PM

Esper powers use up mental capacity. They have to concentrate to use them, and concentration eventually runs out. Maybe there is such a thing as overusing your powers, but that would likely be more of a mental breakdown than a physical breakdown.

For accelerator, even using 100 nukes would be pointless because his default reflect will protect him. I think that in order to tire him out, one should make him use his ability in different ways, directions (targets) and magnitudes, like making him protect his surroundings while forcing him to attack and defend all at the same time, for a long period of time.

Yeah, he isn't number 1 for nothing.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 06-01-2013, 10:19 PM

For accelerator, even using 100 nukes would be pointless because his default reflect will protect him. I think that in order to tire him out, one should make him use his ability in different ways, directions (targets) and magnitudes, like making him protect his surroundings while forcing him to attack and defend all at the same time, for a long period of time.

For that to work (because all the attacks wouldn't be directed at him), you'll be making him jump back and forth to use himself as a human shield? That would be a sight to watch. :p (it should just be reflect + increase vector of leg power though)

Adding to the whole Misaka inconsistency, I remember a previous episode where she has trouble with powering a rice cooker without overloading it. It further adds to our previous perception that Mikoto's forte was power (railgun) and not fine control. Here, it seems she's capable of both.

Kraco

Sun, 06-02-2013, 01:43 AM

Accelerator wouldn't survive a nuclear attack. He would suffocate during it. It's also why he wouldn't survive a far more simpler chemical weapon attack, provided he wouldn't notice it quickly enough to simply escape.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 06-02-2013, 02:51 AM

No he won't. Accelerator is a freak who blocks out sunlight because it is "harmful" to his skin, all while walking on the ground and not repelling his clothes. He can probably filter any harmful matter in the air, and if there is simply no oxygen to breath in, he can just fly up faster than the speed of sound, take a breath, and fly away to grab a burger.

David75

Sun, 06-02-2013, 03:35 AM

Accelerator can probably hold his breath longer than anyone as he probably can control his own blood circulation to prioritize brain and heart oxygenation. He probably can finetune his body/mind functions to a minimal outuput needed to get his ass off of most dire situations.
He probably even could deconstruct molecules to get oxygen (like underwater)

He's a strong level 5 after all.

Kraco

Sun, 06-02-2013, 03:47 AM

It's one thing to filter a band of EM radiation and to choose which molecules to inhale from the surrounding air. Well, it would be actually plasma in the center of a nuclear explosion - and I'm pretty sure you'd be dead if you took in much of that.

In episode 14 of Index, Accelerator already lamented he had troubles breathing after the dust explosion of his own making. And that's a tiny thing compared to a nuke. His escape would also be slowed down by acceleration, of all things. After all, it's not speed which harms the body but too fast acceleration or deceleration. And who knows, considering how fast a nuclear explosion is, he might not even have the time to filter anything at all. He could be dead before he knew what happened.

Edit: You guys also forget he's currently a half-vegetable only functioning with the help of the sisters network. He couldn't stop one ordinary bullet when he was concentrating on Last Order. So, what makes you think he could concentrate on repelling all the EM and other forces from a nuclear explosion, choosing what to breath or not to breath, very quickly escaping from the site (without seeing anything)... All at the same time. He already proved he couldn't do too much at the same time.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 06-02-2013, 04:11 AM

His auto reflect will handle everything harmful that the nuclear blast will do. He does not even have to do anything or react to anything. Then he can simply escape by flying up (I mean seriously, where else would you fly after a nuke..?) afterwards. He does not even have to filter the air really because he can just hold his breath for like 10 seconds. Acceleration or deceleration does nothing to Accelerator. He mentioned in Index that he can negate Newton's third law, converting the direction of the opposite force to be directed, amplified/weakened, any way he wants.

When he saved Last Order, the entire point was that he did not have any leeway to do anything else except save her. The complexity of the operation needed to save her was just that high. It has nothing to do with his ability to protect himself without any distraction.

He is only a vegetable if the electrode is off. If it is on, he is still as strong as before. He is still the number 1 level 5 even while walking around with a cane after all.

The manipulation of vectors is simply an overpowered ability.

Xelbair

Sun, 06-02-2013, 04:13 AM

I remember that Reflect works like a program - he sets minimum values of different forces, light intensity, air density etc that can pass through and reflects the rest(which is a error that leads to him getting punched in index s2 - he should've set 'change vector to outwards from my body' to be perfectly immune).

Nuke's explosion wouldn't kill him - but lack of air probably would - its just matter of time - how long it takes for 'air' to arrive near him after explosion. - i bet that he would hold his breath for at least minute, and then there is usual 4m30s before any brain damage starts to happen.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 06-02-2013, 04:18 AM

Yeah, if for some stupid reason he wanted to stand around at ground zero after the blast.

KrayZ33

Sun, 06-02-2013, 04:26 AM

I always wondered how he would go against a teleporter, since there won't be a vector to control to prevent anything and once something is inside his body its to late.
isn't kuroko (thats her name right?) the strongest esper, that ability is way to powerful

shinta|hikari

Sun, 06-02-2013, 04:37 AM

This was mentioned before. Teleportation has vectors, so reflect works on it too, probably in a different way though because there is no exact opposite direction for a teleported object.

KrayZ33

Sun, 06-02-2013, 05:00 AM

in what ways does it have vectors there is no "start" and "end", its just appears there, inside him... she could probably teleport another human into him and he would explode because his body wouldn't be able to hold the mass. its instantaneous and thats the important part to counter his ability

in the end noone knows what anyone is capable of in this show, the only constant so far has been touma, who can't do shit but nullify everything, which itself is stupid again because he is able to nullify misaka's attacks, but not Accelerators plasma bomb

for example, the fire mage spells should've burned his skin to toast because the heat is there, no matter what, the moment they come close enough to "touch" them, touma should've suffered burning damage to a certain degree
the same goes for Accel's plasma bomb, even if he used vectors to do that shit, the plasma bomb should disappear once touma touches it, but there is no way he could ever touch a thing like that without dying first

Kraco

Sun, 06-02-2013, 05:04 AM

When he saved Last Order, the entire point was that he did not have any leeway to do anything else except save her. The complexity of the operation needed to save her was just that high. It has nothing to do with his ability to protect himself without any distraction.

You can believe that saving a girl is more difficult than surviving a nuclear explosion. I won't. We will never know since I very much doubt we will be seeing Academy City nuked to oblivion.

Liked Xel said, he allowed that one ordinary human bastard with nothing but a ridiculous technique of pulling punches beat him almost as badly as Touma with Imagine breaker, so in my opinion that also tells plenty of how well he would manage to deal with a nuke.

David75

Sun, 06-02-2013, 06:20 AM

in what ways does it have vectors there is no "start" and "end", its just appears there, inside him... she could probably teleport another human into him and he would explode because his body wouldn't be able to hold the mass. its instantaneous and thats the important part to counter his ability

in the end noone knows what anyone is capable of in this show, the only constant so far has been touma, who can't do shit but nullify everything, which itself is stupid again because he is able to nullify misaka's attacks, but not Accelerators plasma bomb

for example, the fire mage spells should've burned his skin to toast because the heat is there, no matter what, the moment they come close enough to "touch" them, touma should've suffered burning damage to a certain degree
the same goes for Accel's plasma bomb, even if he used vectors to do that shit, the plasma bomb should disappear once he touches it, but there is no way he could ever touch a thing like that without dying first

The very sound argument as to why accelerator is immune to teleportation, is that teleportation still is a vector based power. The vector only is with 11 coordinates instead of 3.

Xelbair

Sun, 06-02-2013, 07:26 AM

It has been said(can't remember the ep) that teleportation works through some kind of other dimension - it just moves object through it - and therefore it has vector - but not 3D one, but of higher dimension.

KrayZ33

Sun, 06-02-2013, 03:42 PM

so.. wouldn't that mean that accel is capable of doing teleportation?
and what about his limits in terms of "power level"

why would someone like him even go for lvl6
what would change/improve? if he is able to control every vector, then he should be max-level already

shinta|hikari

Sun, 06-02-2013, 07:16 PM

Level 6 is basically unknown, so no one really knows if they can achieve it, and what results it would bring. The method is also in question because the entire Sisters project is pretty iffy for reasons already mentioned by posters before.

Accelerator cannot teleport because espers can only have 1 power. He can manipulate vectors but using the 11th dimension is different because it is an ability reserved to teleporters (as far as I know).

Buffalobiian

Sun, 06-02-2013, 08:34 PM

Accelerator can manipulate vectors, but he can not create them. That's why he leaps. I'm sure he could leap really high, but I'm not that sure of sustained flight at this point.

He's not able to teleport because he can not create the vector. While he can manipulate vectors, it's arguable as to whether he has to be able to conceptualise the vector.. in which case he would have to be familiar with the means of teleporting if he is to stop it. As to whether or not he can learn that from being touched by such a vector.. /shrugs.

The most iffy thing about level 6 is the classification: what even separates lvl6 from lvl5? I've defaulted to the level of reality warping (however that's measured), but decided that it was just something thrown into the story that will probably never get visited again since the project is now stopped.

Xelbair

Mon, 06-03-2013, 04:24 AM

His default 'reflect' will change the vector of teleport without his conscious action, but he by himself doesn't have access to that dimension, or maybe he doesn't know HOW to access it and how it works(contrary to the teleporters)... reversing the vector is just literally adding minus sign before each of coords.
and yes, he can create vectors- he did so in season 1 of index i think.

think of level six as achieving even more power - some kind of unknown barrier to overcome. He wants to overcome it just because it might exist. He doesn't even know what level 6 it - but he thinks that it is change to Übermench, or ÜberESPer. something beyond current realm of powers.

Kraco

Mon, 06-03-2013, 07:00 AM

His default 'reflect' will change the vector of teleport without his conscious action

His default reflect is pure magic anyway, considering his clothes aren't exploding, he can use door knobs and eat food, and breath. The fact it just happened to disappear somewhere when he was saving Last Order makes it even more magical, by any reckoning. So, rejecting teleported objects isn't anything much.

The espers aren't far less mysterious than the magicians in the Index/Railgun world. They are merely less ritualistic, but it's all the same stuff.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 06-03-2013, 11:14 AM

he can create vectors- he did so in season 1 of index i think.

I don't recall this...

Archangel

Mon, 06-03-2013, 11:57 AM

This discussion again... we have no idea if he can create vectors or not, for all we know he's just redirecting gravity as he pleases.

KrayZ33

Mon, 06-03-2013, 05:00 PM

we also have no idea what vectors are..

i'm pretty sure temperature is not a vector for example

Inazuma

Mon, 06-03-2013, 05:02 PM

Actually ... depends how far you go. Atom vibration. And Vibration can be seen as movements, thus vector. But I don' have no Phds.

KrayZ33

Mon, 06-03-2013, 05:03 PM

we also have no idea what vectors are..

i'm pretty sure temperature is not a vector for example
unless you go into molecular level, probably... don't know.

edit: oops meant to edit

and how does someone not create vectors in his everyday life?
everytime I move I'm creating a vector, by doing so I could for example increase my velocity with accel's power
his power is simply impossible to understand and thats horrible.. worst superhuman power - ever

shinta|hikari

Mon, 06-03-2013, 08:25 PM

He can create vectors by moving his body. For example, if he wants to fly up, he cannot simply fly. He has to at least step on the ground to create a vector, then he can manipulate it to propel himself like a rocket.

He cannot randomly create vectors out of thin air. He can just manipulate them, and he has to do it by touch too. I have never seen him manipulate a vector he was not in contact with. That means the vector he is manipulating will always have a new starting point which is the contact point with his body. This means that he cannot make objects fly in a zigzag pattern because he is no longer able to influence the vectors once it he no longer has contact with it. This is of course only about Accelerator in his normal state. His black wing mode is another thing altogether.

A vector is simply "A quantity having direction as well as magnitude, esp. as determining the position of one point in space relative to another." (google). I think if Accelerator becomes powerful enough, he can probably create and destroy matter by manipulating the vectors of its most basic parts, like subatomic particles. He obviously cannot do that yet though.

Marik

Sat, 06-08-2013, 03:39 AM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 09 [720p][5B391C31].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=441030)
[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 09 [480p][6E28EA61].mp4 (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=441031)

Kraco

Sat, 06-08-2013, 08:10 AM

Mikoto isn't nearly as good at fighting strong espers as she is at giving the random punks and other weaklings a hard lesson. I guess it's mainly due to lacking the will to really fight till the end. She can dispose of weak opponents being sure not to cause any permanent damage, but there's no such luxury in a fight against genuinely strong opponents, so she's at a loss and fights below her level. That's quite a deadly sin when the enemy has no such reservations. Well, she will always have the main character shield, so I guess she'll be alright no matter what happens.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 06-08-2013, 09:59 AM

So out of Academy city's 7 Level 5s, 4 out of the top 5 have various abilities to control EMR. It'd be nice of the rest of them are somewhat varied. Frenda's my favourite out of ITEM. Sure, she'd be kinda shitty to know as a person but she's got plenty of cute sides that make her the most interesting compared to the rest.

Too bad Mikoto only uses her railgun against non-human targets. Given that lasers work in a straight line, I would have sent a railgun back down the tunnel and see what happens. They could have fried it if they had the same situational awareness that Mikoto has, but otherwise it should be too quick to react against.

Kraco

Sat, 06-08-2013, 10:42 AM

Given that lasers work in a straight line, I would have sent a railgun back down the tunnel and see what happens. They could have fried it if they had the same situational awareness that Mikoto has, but otherwise it should be too quick to react against.

It doesn't change your point but I thought to point out it's probably not a laser. The next ep preview says: Particle Destabilizer Meltdowner. So, it's not a laser, just your regular death ray.

But yeah, she should have done that, but I guess she would have been too worried somebody might actually get hurt (while she was all the time dodging lethal attacks).

David75

Sat, 06-08-2013, 01:30 PM

shinta|hikari

Sat, 06-08-2013, 02:48 PM

I actually think Mikoto fought fine this time around. She attacked immediately, but that got deflected, so she opted for escape. She wasn't getting away so she figured out that they have a tracking esper. She also managed to use her spider powers to its fullest, all while sensing the attacks, even deflecting one using her powers (wall climb, spider sense, {electric} web grab of objects and walls, yeah that cannot be a coincidence).

She did well surviving until now, even forcing Takitsubo to burn out on drugs. She just wasted energy on a stupid battle with Frenda after all (and she is fully to blame for that), and even then she managed to elude 3 espers, one of which is the 4th ranked level 5, technically rated only weaker than her by a step.

In terms of pure destructive power, her railgun looks like crap to the meltdowner (stupid name, but that's the toaru series trademark). It is simply an unstoppable laser cannon. It's good that she is able to deflect it though. Mikoto wins hands down in terms of versatility though. If they had started fresh one on one, I'm pretty sure Mikoto will win against Mugino, especially if Mikoto had access to the iron sand (which she does not in this scenario).

Why the hell is Kinuhata wearing shorts?? It may be canon for Railgun (I don't know), but I really wanted to see her in her trademark Am I Wearing Anything Down There Wool Sweater. (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g310/shinta617/saiai_zps6a588532.jpg)

Kraco

Sat, 06-08-2013, 03:00 PM

Tactically speaking she should have wiped out the small fries first, leaving the actually dangerous Meltdowner for later. Like you said yourself, Mikoto's power is far more versatile and it would be a breeze to defeat an opponent without any defenses against electricity. However, despite the fact she has made a hobby out of hanging in dark alleys in the hopes of cooking fried punks, she doesn't possess the mentality of a fighter (yet). Not that I'd be really complaining as I'll rather take the cute tsundere Mikoto than a battle scarred veteran with dead eyes. But nevertheless in serious battles like this she is selling herself short.

Well, to keep things in a proper perspective, for a middle schooler she is definitely doing great simply by staying alive.

shinta|hikari

Sat, 06-08-2013, 03:21 PM

She didn't think that Takitsubo was a small fry. She felt something dangerous from her, so she ran, which is the best tactical decision at that time because trying to attack 2 espers with unknown powers (one of which erased huge metal objects and shot beams) and another esper that had bombs all over the place alone is just stupid.

After she ran, she had her hands full just not getting melted. I don't really see how she can take care of the other two first, especially because Mugino will protect them, as she said so herself in this episode, even if it is just for the sake of keeping her tools safe.

Kraco

Sat, 06-08-2013, 03:38 PM

Yes, it was the best tactical decision considering she was never interested in the slightest in defeating these people. Her objective is to disable the facility. Maybe I left it too ambiguous in my previous posts, but I was merely theorising what would have been the most effective way if she wanted to get rid of these people for good.

NeoCybercoin

Sun, 06-09-2013, 05:06 AM

I find it funny how all of the level 5 have no idea what the others look like.

Ryllharu

Sun, 06-09-2013, 05:57 AM

I assume that Mikoto is rank 3 and Mugino rank 4 because she can pseudo-fly and Mugino can't. Mugino's power seems much stronger than Mikoto's in terms of pure destructive capability. Mikoto's railgun does about the same amount of damage, but Mugino can do it all the time and doesn't need anything ferro-magnetic to fire. It kind of bothers me that flight seems to be the deciding factor when someone's rank is considered increased. Accelerator was perceived to have powered up after he started making those tornado wings, when he could have always just altered his own vectors and jumped as far as he wanted. Mugino doesn't appear to be able to fly, so she's weaker...riiiight. :/
Guess that's another so-called toaru trademark, arbitrary rankings.

There was also the line about how the two can defend or deflect each other's powers, so they operate on the same basic principles. I suppose where Mikoto moves electrons to create and manipulate electric fields, Mugino brings them to an extremely excited state to make free-electron lasers. Looking forward to their fight.

Buffalobiian

Sun, 06-09-2013, 06:00 AM

I assume that Mikoto is rank 3 and Mugino rank 4 because she can pseudo-fly and Mugino can't. Mugino's power seems much stronger than Mikoto's in terms of pure destructive capability. It kind of bothers me that flight seems to be the deciding factor when someone's rank is considered increased. Accelerator was perceived to have powered up after he started making those tornado wings, when he could have always just altered his own vectors and jumped as far as he wanted. Mugino doesn't appear to be able to fly, so she's weaker...riiiight. :/
Guess that's another so-called toaru trademark, arbitrary rankings.

Or it's based on power output.

Do you mean that Accel was "powered up" in that he had a cool-factor? Or did someone from Academy city actually say that he became stronger?

Ryllharu

Sun, 06-09-2013, 08:05 AM

The whole series gives the impression off that Accelerator reached a new apex once he could fly about, mostly in tone. The characters responded to it that way, though I don't remember if anything explicit was said. Dramatic power up music, that sort of thing.

His lame-ass flying is definitely not cool in any way. It's such a hack job, but they made a big deal out of it every time he did it. Flying or levitation in Index just isn't cool for some reason. Mikoto's spider powers are much more creative and interesting to watch. Or Kuroko's teleporting and even Sherry getting a lift from golems.

Marik

Fri, 06-14-2013, 07:41 PM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 10 [720p][5011AD87].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=443022)

Buffalobiian

Sat, 06-15-2013, 12:46 AM

ITEM would be no fun without Frenda. That much is evident.

And... rankings are based on profit??? I've never seen Mikoto do anything profitable other than being an unofficial member of Judgement.

Kraco

Sat, 06-15-2013, 04:10 AM

And... rankings are based on profit??? I've never seen Mikoto do anything profitable other than being an unofficial member of Judgement.

She gave her genome to the level 6 project. That seems profitable enough - if you are a fool like the involved scientists and those in power, considering the project is pure bullshit. But I'm sure there's an equipment manufacturer or whatever somewhere out there who made a fortune out of it.

Anyway, don't be like Mikoto and believe everything you hear or read. Why would this Meltdowner know any better what's the real situation? She's nothing but a tool used to do dirty deeds and clean up the mess. A mercenary. It's quite natural she thinks the ranking is something based on profit, since she obviously does anything for the right price.

It's quite evident Mikoto has skipped her Combat 101 if she hasn't been eating much during the past days. I thought everybody knows the old saying an army marches on its stomach. You'd think she would have had the wits to at least get chocolate bars if nothing else.

David75

Sat, 06-15-2013, 04:42 AM

I kept reading the numbers, but really under 2 grands for a Mikoto clone... Geez, that's dirt cheap.

Ryllharu

Sat, 06-15-2013, 05:51 AM

I kept reading the numbers, but really under 2 grands for a Mikoto clone... Geez, that's dirt cheap.

No that's SCIENCE!

Kraco

Sat, 06-15-2013, 06:22 AM

It's probably the cost of the growth medium, drugs, and electricity running the equipment. If the process is extremely streamlined, like it should be considering they make thousands of clones, then around 2000 is quite realistic for the organic and inorganic matter needed to compose a human. The price cannot include development costs, general facility costs, wages of the mad scientists, equipment, or anything of that sort. Just the gun the clones are usually carrying, FN F2000, would eat most of the price of ~2000.

David75

Sat, 06-15-2013, 06:47 AM

NeoCybercoin

Sat, 06-15-2013, 08:58 AM

And finally we see Touma. If you are up against Espers. Get Touma. If you need help, get Touma. If you need to force someone, force Touma. Poor guy.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 06-15-2013, 09:07 AM

I kept reading the numbers, but really under 2 grands for a Mikoto clone... Geez, that's dirt cheap.

So where can I buy a grid-computer Mikoto clone?

Archangel

Sat, 06-15-2013, 10:17 AM

And... rankings are based on profit??? I've never seen Mikoto do anything profitable other than being an unofficial member of Judgement.
Potential profit, manipulating electricity seems much more versatile than shooting death rays.

TouMan has returned, time to punch bitches and melt tsunderes.

David75

Sat, 06-15-2013, 10:25 AM

Potential profit, manipulating electricity seems much more versatile than shooting death rays.

TouMan has returned, time to punch bitches and melt tsunderes.

Meltdowner power would be awesome in destruction work (buildings for example?), escavating, drilling, and so on.
Since she trully vaporises the matter, rather than just displacing it, that would save even more ressources.

But Mikoto's power is a lot more versatile as she can use it from fine manipulations like server hacking to moving tons of metal scrapes, weapons, walking on walls and so on. Her range of possible is clearly vastly superior to what Meltdowner showed us.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 06-15-2013, 10:26 AM

Potential profit, manipulating electricity seems much more versatile than shooting death rays.

So what is this "potential" doing just sitting around at school? Potential needs to be realised, or else it's called wasted potential. Or are you suggesting that they're all kids at school learning to develop their powers, so their "profit" is measured by their projected contribution to Academy city when they graduate?

Kraco

Sat, 06-15-2013, 10:54 AM

So what is this "potential" doing just sitting around at school? Potential needs to be realised, or else it's called wasted potential. Or are you suggesting that they're all kids at school learning to develop their powers, so their "profit" is measured by their projected contribution to Academy city when they graduate?

Mikoto is a middle schooler. I'm pretty sure middle school is still obligatory in Japan, even if high school is not. She's also a rich kid, so I imagine Misuzu will want her to continue to high school as well, and likely university after that. So, she's not really there to automatically profit anybody - aside from cloning her.

Meltdowner, however, is mercenary, so one could say she's being exploited already for what little she's worth.

Archangel

Sat, 06-15-2013, 11:06 AM

Meltdowner power would be awesome in destruction work (buildings for example?), escavating, drilling, and so on.
Since she trully vaporises the matter, rather than just displacing it, that would save even more ressources.

But Mikoto's power is a lot more versatile as she can use it from fine manipulations like server hacking to moving tons of metal scrapes, weapons, walking on walls and so on. Her range of possible is clearly vastly superior to what Meltdowner showed us.
Ya, that was my point...

So what is this "potential" doing just sitting around at school? Potential needs to be realised, or else it's called wasted potential. Or are you suggesting that they're all kids at school learning to develop their powers, so their "profit" is measured by their projected contribution to Academy city when they graduate?

I mean the potential for Electricity manipulation, not the potential for Mikoto herself. The whole point of Academy city is to develop esper abilities into their own useable tools. That's the cover up at least.

Marik

Fri, 06-21-2013, 11:42 PM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 11 [720p][8203942B].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=445057)

Kraco

Sat, 06-22-2013, 04:48 AM

Touma isn't regarded very highly in Kuroko's mind... But at least the unassuming clones always treat him fairly.

You'd think the vending machine had a phone number where you could call in case they malfunction. Especially in Japan, the promised land of vending machines where even cars have been (even if half-jokingly) sold in vending machines. I have lost a 2 euros coin and didn't bother to call the number, but if the automat had eaten 20 euros (since there are no 15 euros bills to better match Touma's loss), I most certainly would have used my phone. Or an iron pipe.

Archangel

Sat, 06-22-2013, 10:45 AM

Touma isn't regarded very highly in Kuroko's mind...
Yeah, that didn't come back to bite her in the ass at all.

It wasn't exactly like the Index version but it remained faithful enough, i really like to rewatch these scenes where the moments interline between the 2 shows. It'll also be pretty awesome to get to watch Touma vs Accelerator again.

NeoCybercoin

Sat, 06-22-2013, 11:26 AM

He doesn't seem to remember the fights he had with her at all so I take it this is after he had lost his memories.

Archangel

Sat, 06-22-2013, 12:31 PM

He doesn't seem to remember the fights he had with her at all so I take it this is after he had lost his memories.
You take it? Did you even watch Index?

NeoCybercoin

Sat, 06-22-2013, 01:21 PM

Yes, but a long time ago. Plus the timeline of the two shows always confuse me a bit so that's all there is to it.

Marik

Fri, 06-28-2013, 09:54 PM

[UTW-Mazui]_Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_S_-_12_[720p][20E590E0].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=448008)

Kraco

Sat, 06-29-2013, 04:20 AM

And so Mikoto found out the result of the little incident with Index...

I personally find it a very cute aspect of Mikoto's personality how she always comes up with some grand plan that is sure to solve all of her problems - but in the end rarely turns out to work in practice.

Archangel

Sat, 06-29-2013, 09:15 AM

Kraco

Sat, 06-29-2013, 10:22 AM

It's never really her fault though, there's just too many unknown variables around this whole thing.

Yes, indeed, I'm not saying it would have ever been blatantly her fault as such. But it's just cute that she always believes the grand plan will work for sure, only to find out reality is not as straightforward as it seemed when she was making the plan. Considering the nature of her problems, there's nothing cute about failing to solve them; that's not what I mean, either.

Archangel

Sat, 06-29-2013, 10:29 AM

Well everything about Biri Biri is cute, obviously :3

Marik

Sun, 06-30-2013, 01:02 PM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 12 [720p][20E590E0].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=448008)

Here’s the real non v0/v1 release.

Marik

Fri, 07-05-2013, 05:42 PM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 13v2 [720p][CD016773].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=449691)

Buffalobiian

Fri, 07-05-2013, 09:00 PM

I don't remember Index being as depressing as this.

On the other hand, what would happen if you reverse blood flow in a human? You've got valves in your heart and veins that would resist the flow, and the veins themselves aren't built to withstand high pressure like arteries are... but I'd think you'd have to have the reverse flow go at an extremely fast rate to blow up a body like that.

Kraco

Sat, 07-06-2013, 02:41 AM

I don't remember Index being as depressing as this.

I'd guess that's the point the director is trying to make. Touma only knew about the clones' fate a little before the final showdown with Accelerator, but Mikoto has been agonized by it for a longer time. Since Index was from Touma's pov, this is an understandable difference. However, I have to say they could have shortened this arc by a couple of eps. Nevertheless, the best parts are beginning in the next episode, so it's all good at this point.

Besides, according to ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-06-29/railgun-s-director/season-to-include-original-summer-vacation-story), the director lamented this lack of light fluffy and promised such a filler arc just for you, Bill, immediately after this sisters arc finishes.

Archangel

Sat, 07-06-2013, 03:45 AM

Besides, according to ANN, the director lamented this lack of light fluffy and promised such a filler arc just for you, Bill, immediately after this sisters arc finishes.

...fuck!

Inazuma

Sat, 07-06-2013, 04:18 AM

...fuck!

Fuck indeed.
They won't stop shitting on their franchises, will they ?

NeoCybercoin

Sat, 07-06-2013, 06:07 AM

So she was thinking of getting herself killed in order to save a bunch of Sisters?

Buffalobiian

Sat, 07-06-2013, 10:41 AM

So she was thinking of getting herself killed in order to save a bunch of Sisters?

Sounded like it. And it would have only saved 156 of them.

Accel got some redeeming qualities in my eyes. He didn't start off being crazy, and one can only remain so sane after killing 10'000.

As for the next arc.. well, let's just say I don't mind fluffy. I do mind shitty, but fluffy's okay.

KrayZ33

Sat, 07-06-2013, 03:33 PM

So she was thinking of getting herself killed in order to save a bunch of Sisters?

thats not "new" is it?

I believe she said so in Index too

Archangel

Sat, 07-06-2013, 04:18 PM

thats not "new" is it?

I believe she said so in Index too
Gotwoot has the memory span of a potato.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 07-06-2013, 08:02 PM

Gotwoot has the memory span of a potato.

I didn't remember it either (nor did I remember pretty much anything from Index2 until I rewatched some segments)

shinta|hikari

Sat, 07-06-2013, 10:01 PM

Buffalobiian

Sat, 07-06-2013, 10:42 PM

Potato spotted.

/jk

Why would it save only 156 of them? I believe Mikoto's plan was to get herself beaten in the very first move, showing that the fundamental assumption used as a base for the experiment is wrong. If she is much weaker than predicted, 20,000 clones would not be enough to level Accelerator up, and she hopes that this will stop the experiments from continuing.

Yeah, she is still kinda stupid.

I don't know whether she was going to get beaten in the first move or not. We also had no information from the Tree Diagram about how difficult it would have been for Accelerator to beat Railgun (but from what we've seen.. not hard). Killing Railgun 128 times gives the same xp as killing a Sister 20K times, so I just worked the maths from there.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6438/dnt0.jpg

Glad to be a potato.

Archangel

Sun, 07-07-2013, 01:04 AM

I didn't remember it either (nor did I remember pretty much anything from Index2 until I rewatched some segments)
I'm shocked, surprised and bewildered.

Sounded like it. And it would have only saved 156 of them.

Wat? Mikoto's point was to lose far too easily to accelerator so as to fuck the computer's calculations. By math alone she's worth 156 lvl 3 electromasters like you said and that's the x value, if she's made to look weaker than she actually is the scientist will have no choice but to assume x is quite lower than they assumed meaning Y, the numbers of sisters equivalent, must be proportionally much higher. Seeing as they're not producing more sisters and Three Diagram is destroyed they would drop the project entirely, as not to waste any more resources.

Buffalobiian

Sun, 07-07-2013, 01:50 AM

I think it's a stupid plan. I don't know what kind of fight Tree Diagram simulated for Railgun vs Accelerator, but if the computer has equal ore more knowledge than the audience, then it knows all Accel has to do is try and anything would get wasted.

Misaka's railgun might as well be the Sister's bullet. Anything requiring contact would be completely useless. Any fight against Accel (aside from Touma's) has been a case of Accel giving the opponent a few minutes of free time before crushing them. Power means nothing against Accel, so I'm not even sure why Railgun is worth more than those Sisters. Is it based on the Sisters having only 1/128th the power of Mikoto?

But... if that's her plan, then so be it.

edit: oh, right, so she was going to lose to Accel, and hack the Tree Diagram to give a bogus result based on that fight, right? The latter part makes sense if she could fuck up the interpretation of the results like that.

Archangel

Sun, 07-07-2013, 02:30 AM

Kraco

Sun, 07-07-2013, 02:56 AM

Considering how weak the sisters are, especially against Accelerator, I very much doubt their levels of power have anything at all to do with the plan. Esper powers are all about the personal reality. That is, what is inside their heads. The real plan must be to make Accelerator crazier than ever by having him slaughter 20000 girls one by one. There's no way that wouldn't affect a person's psyche. Considering how ruthless and insane bastards the scientists planning this operation are, they must think that it specifically makes Accelerator's personal reality stronger. Well, the one scientist we saw in this episode looked like a nazi doctor, so it makes sense he would think like that.

Thus, the real Misaka being beaten easily would throw the plan off because it would, theoretically, adversely affect the development of Accelerator's personal reality, as opposed to the plan. I don't really see why, but whatever. Regardless, getting beaten by Touma certainly made the scientists think so, and they were probably right.

Buffalobiian

Sun, 07-07-2013, 03:45 AM

It's not if they can beat him, it's how much he has to sweat to beat them. Mikoto would be swirling around the place, probably dropping shit on top of him and then bailing with guerrilla tactics. That accel is stronger than her isn't the point, it's how much stronger he is that enabled those sort of calculations in the first place.

I agree with your argument that Accel being stronger than Mikoto isn't the point, and rather it's how hard he has to try to get there.

My point however, is that the whole "difficulty" thing in practice isn't based on how strong Mikoto's strength is - it's based on how many shits Accel gives during that particular experiment. If he feels bored, he'll stand there till you're tired. If he feels like playing with you, he'll make things interesting on purpose. If he's hungry he'll just walk over you in an instant, then head for fast food.

Accelerator doesn't care for Mikoto raining shit on him. (Reflect trumps anything she's got). Accel doesn't care for guerilla tactics (he's faster and can just demolish buildings). The only reason guerrilla tactics get employed for as long as they do is because Accel allows them to. As soon as he's had enough, he goes "fuck this" and kills whoever.

It doesn't matter if it's a Sister running around with guns and grenades.
It doesn't matter if it's Mikoto running around with railguns and magnetised whatever.

The all do the same thing as far as Accel's concerned. Mikoto really doesn't make Accel sweat like you suggested.

Archangel

Sun, 07-07-2013, 04:46 AM

I agree with your argument that Accel being stronger than Mikoto isn't the point, and rather it's how hard he has to try to get there.

My point however, is that the whole "difficulty" thing in practice isn't based on how strong Mikoto's strength is - it's based on how many shits Accel gives during that particular experiment. If he feels bored, he'll stand there till you're tired. If he feels like playing with you, he'll make things interesting on purpose. If he's hungry he'll just walk over you in an instant, then head for fast food.

Accelerator doesn't care for Mikoto raining shit on him. (Reflect trumps anything she's got). Accel doesn't care for guerilla tactics (he's faster and can just demolish buildings). The only reason guerrilla tactics get employed for as long as they do is because Accel allows them to. As soon as he's had enough, he goes "fuck this" and kills whoever.

It doesn't matter if it's a Sister running around with guns and grenades.
It doesn't matter if it's Mikoto running around with railguns and magnetised whatever.

The all do the same thing as far as Accel's concerned. Mikoto really doesn't make Accel sweat like you suggested.

You know it's not like Accel is some sort of omnipresent God, as powerful as he is he's within limits of his own reflexes for example and as we've seen Mikoto can be very nimble.

I'm not going to go further here though because there would be too much speculation involved and i hate that shit, i'll just say i believe you're grossly overestimating Accel and underestimating Misaka and leave it at that.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 07-07-2013, 05:02 AM

Considering we have already seen Accelerator completely crush Mikoto's pride without even doing anything just a few episodes ago, I would say that Buff is not far off the mark.

Kraco

Sun, 07-07-2013, 06:00 AM

The only thing about this whole affair making Accelerator sweat is the fact everything suggests this has become a huge chore for him. You can see he's really looking forward to the day when there won't be anymore another clone waiting to get killed.

KrayZ33

Sun, 07-07-2013, 06:10 AM

shinta|hikari

Sun, 07-07-2013, 06:12 AM

Buffalobiian

Sun, 07-07-2013, 06:15 AM

the whole experiment is stupid, you don't get stronger by defeating weaker opponents, especially not if its always the same one... and even with the help of Last Order and after ~10000 clones they still go for him with weapons and machine guns. (learning? my ass...)

its more the other way around, HE is helping the other clones to "level up"

Weapons and machine-guns themselves can't why the sisters are losing - it's more about figuring out how Reflect works. We saw that the Sisters hypothesised about Reflect not working from below because Accel could walk normally. I'm not sure how far they'd get (especially now that 10K have been killed with little difficulty), but once they do find a weakness, Accel might have to actually work.

The dude from Index-2 managed to thump Accel pretty hard since he knew how Reflect and vector calcs worked. In the end though, Accel's safe as long as he stays at a distance, turns on Reflect for protection and just throws shit at the opponent.

Kraco

Sun, 07-07-2013, 06:40 AM

The way Accelerator looked when the first clone died was a bit strange. It seems like he did not actually want to kill Misaka, and even found it strange when the scientist suggested it. Maybe after he accidentally "killed" the first one, he decided to believe the scientists that the clones were just protein to avoid any feelings of guilt. His extreme cruelty and predatory blood lust when slaughtering the clones may stem from the fact that he is intentionally trying to see and treat them as inhuman to prevent his actions from taking an emotional/mental toll on himself.

It makes perfect sense. We already know Accelerator isn't inhuman since he decided to save Last Order, sacrificing his own health to boot, and even took the onerous job of looking after her. In light of that it's more than obvious he made a firm mental decision not to view the clones as humans during the experiment. He wouldn't otherwise have been able to either keep going through the experiment or remain sane (or as sane as he is, which is a little less than any average joe). Keeping this in mind, even blowing up a clone like he did in this episode is only logical: He can't afford any mercy or sympathy, lest he accidentally lapses into considering them human, which would have marked the end of the experiment for him.

Marik

Fri, 07-12-2013, 09:23 PM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 14 [720p][3A139231].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=451946)

Archangel

Sat, 07-13-2013, 08:12 AM

God dammit, Touman is kakkoii as fuck.

On another note though, it dawned on me as i was watching that this is already the 14th episode and not a really big deal has happened when you really think about it. Maybe my perception is skewered from all the information given on this arc that we all already knew about but it seems to me that the pace has been really slow so far.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 07-13-2013, 10:31 AM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 14 [720p][3A139231].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=451946)

AKA: A 20-minute guide on "How to win over a tsundere"

I really don't mind any inconsistencies (if any) as long as the overall product keeps improving as a whole.

edit: actually, I have to take that bit back.. since I can't let all inconsistencies go.. but this episode was alright.

Archangel

Sat, 07-13-2013, 12:12 PM

What inconsistencies? Any of the small stuff can be written off as simple differences in perspective.

Kraco

Sat, 07-13-2013, 04:14 PM

God dammit, Touman is kakkoii as fuck.

Yeah, but he chose a troublesome moment to pull off one of his cool guy acts, since it left him all beaten up before he even met Accelerator. But then again, it gave him some Misaka lap pillow time, so with the end well, everything was brilliant.

On another note though, it dawned on me as i was watching that this is already the 14th episode and not a really big deal has happened when you really think about it. Maybe my perception is skewered from all the information given on this arc that we all already knew about but it seems to me that the pace has been really slow so far.

It's not just your perspective. Like I said before, this arc could have used a bit more aggressive cutting. The part with the exlosives girl and Meltdowner were jolly good additions to the story we already know, but otherwise it's still a story we know, nothing changes that, so it could have been told more briskly.

Archangel

Sat, 07-13-2013, 05:41 PM

It's not just your perspective. Like I said before, this arc could have used a bit more aggressive cutting. The part with the exlosives girl and Meltdowner were jolly good additions to the story we already know, but otherwise it's still a story we know, nothing changes that, so it could have been told more briskly.
Should have have taken a page from Rozen Maiden, apparently the current anime skips something like 8 volumes of content in a single episode.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 07-13-2013, 08:15 PM

What inconsistencies? Any of the small stuff can be written off as simple differences in perspective.

Touma's arm power raised eyebrows here. Why is it that if he holds it towards his side it does absolutely nothing, while if he holds it in front of him it becomes an absolute shield? There was an episode one time where his hand was used to protect him (and some other people) from an explosion blast, which would mean the hand has to work on an area other than JUST the palm, forearm and arm.

Archangel

Sat, 07-13-2013, 08:25 PM

...you want to argue about shit we've already been aware of for 4 years now? I thought you were complaining about contradictions between what they're displaying now and what they did in the Index adaptation but you just had to take it a step further for that oh so Bill-esque full retard mode.

If his hand is what's closest to Misaka it will act as his lightning rod and dispel it the moment the 2 connect. If it doesn't the circuit between her, touma and the ground is complete and he gets shocked, i assume his right hand is the only part that didn't hurt like hell.

TL;DR: Why Bill, whyyyyyyyyyyyyy??!

Buffalobiian

Sat, 07-13-2013, 10:51 PM

If his hand is what's closest to Misaka it will act as his lightning rod and dispel it the moment the 2 connect. If it doesn't the circuit between her, touma and the ground is complete and he gets shocked, i assume his right hand is the only part that didn't hurt like hell.

Except that his arm hasn't been explained to be a lightning rod (and for something that has zero power, seems strange that it'd "absorb" it like that), but whatever.

I wasn't going to elaborate, but you asked for it.

KrayZ33

Sun, 07-14-2013, 01:29 PM

guess what gets hit by lightning if you stretch out your arm towards it, your feet or your arm?

SCIENCE!

but that electrostuff should also be dispelled if it hits anywhere else, since it will reach his arm eventually a few milliseconds later or at whatever speed electricity travels through a human body

Archangel

Sun, 07-14-2013, 02:37 PM

Except that his arm hasn't been explained to be a lightning rod.

They have to explain logic?

Buffalobiian

Sun, 07-14-2013, 08:18 PM

They have to explain logic?

Let me clarify: ... to be a lightning rod against supernatural powers.

If I stretch my arm out, it's not going to attract a flame that was directed towards my whole body.

I see it as being flawed for convenience's sake. Notice how the cat's fine in this episode even though the bridge was fucked? It's not outside the anime-level flaws, but remains one nonetheless.

Marik

Fri, 07-19-2013, 09:28 PM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun_S - 15 [720p][CFCB76A2].mkv (magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9E4D0632FF7706FC632FA87AF9DCD A48C801DCC3&dn=[UTW-Mazui]_Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_S_-_15_[720p][CFCB76A2].mkv&tr=http%3a%2f%2fopen.nyaatorrents.info%3a6544%2fan nounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fa nnounce)

dat filesize...

Buffalobiian

Fri, 07-19-2013, 11:52 PM

*sigh*.. Accel even figured out his right hand, but he was still dumb enough to lose..

While I like that it's as if Touma took some punching classes, it sucks that his ability varies so much in the series. He always lands his punches somehow in the end (even if they look as cool as they did here), but he's otherwise bumbling around the blattlefield usually.

David75

Sat, 07-20-2013, 04:08 AM

Well, his "zero" ability forces him to close combat if he wants to take down an oponent.
Problem is, when the oponent understands that, there are many ways to stop Touma from getting close.

Accel did understand that in the first series, but did not choose to use that idea to the end. That's clearly a weakness in the scenario.

Archangel

Sat, 07-20-2013, 10:57 AM

Again with the misconception that Accelerator is all powerful... obviously he could work something out if he had time to think and wasn't being punched in the face every 2 seconds but under this situation is perfectly believably for him to derp around while facing an enemy who's immune to auto reflect.

It's like when you're playing a videogame and you always use that same move because it's awesome and powerful and kills everything, until you face an enemy immune to it. Yeah you'll beat him after a quick reload but in that first battle he's probably gonna slap you around pretty hard.

If you want to bitch, bitch about how Touma manages to get up after being thrown off what looked like 20-30 meters up. Plot armor has always been around though so it's silly to start complaining about it now.

David75

Sat, 07-20-2013, 12:53 PM

It's true that Touma flying around and surviving was annoying. I was at least waiting for some Misaka magnetic sand manipulation that would dampen Touma's fall. But seems she wasn't even able to play a supporting role.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 07-20-2013, 01:30 PM

Again with the misconception that Accelerator is all powerful... obviously he could work something out if he had time to think and wasn't being punched in the face every 2 seconds but under this situation is perfectly believably for him to derp around while facing an enemy who's immune to auto reflect.

I stop and think after the "usual" method doesn't work.

Accel did that - he wondered if he accidentally turned it off, so he tried again. The second time should have told him that it's not his fault, and that the opponent is doing something against his power. Sure, he worked it out in the end.. after getting punched shitloads. The thing that looked stupid was Accel lunging when he was obviously losing the exchange. Get some distance and recover.

Kraco

Sat, 07-20-2013, 02:19 PM

Damn cool looking episode if you don't get stuck on the twisted details. Maybe they even serve a role in presenting the fight how Mikoto saw it: Hero Touma fighting against impossible odds she never hoped to beat herself. Certainty it's far flashier than I remember from Index, and Touma seems to suffer far more, yet still gets up eventually. He really should man up and take responsibility for making a girl fall for him that hard.

I stop and think after the "usual" method doesn't work.

Accel did that - he wondered if he accidentally turned it off, so he tried again. The second time should have told him that it's not his fault, and that the opponent is doing something against his power. Sure, he worked it out in the end.. after getting punched shitloads. The thing that looked stupid was Accel lunging when he was obviously losing the exchange. Get some distance and recover.

He continued it, for a while, precisely because he felt like he was losing. Unlike the supercomputer that got what it deserved and the idiotic nazi scientists, Accelerator understood he won't get any stronger by crushing thousands of helpless insects; instead he needs to fight an opponent that baffles him and forces him to seek new approaches.

NeoCybercoin

Sat, 07-20-2013, 02:49 PM

Man this episode was awesome as fuck.

Ryllharu

Sat, 07-20-2013, 06:19 PM

So...let me just reiterate this again. We'll be 16 episodes in next week, and we'll have just six episodes of new material. Maybe seven.

This arc is great an all...the first time around...but we're not going to get anything out of this series, and there won't be enough time to start more than one other arc of anything good after the Index recap ends.

I don't watch Railgun to watch Touma punch people in the face again and again and again. I watch it for the shit like the three episodes with ITEM. The scene with Shokuhou Misaki back in the very first episode was the biggest tease ever.

KrayZ33

Sat, 07-20-2013, 06:29 PM

it was wrong of you to expect more than a "revamp"

Ryllharu

Sat, 07-20-2013, 07:11 PM

it was wrong of you to expect more than a "revamp"
On what grounds? We knew that the Sister's arc was going to get animated. We didn't know it would take up the majority of the series and not be abbreviated in any way at all.

Archangel

Sat, 07-20-2013, 07:34 PM

On what grounds? We knew that the Sister's arc was going to get animated. We didn't know it would take up the majority of the series and not be abbreviated in any way at all.
I agree that the amount of repetition is annoying but i can't say i regret it for this episode, they could make a 2 cour show of accelerator getting punched in the face and i wouldn't complain.

Kraco

Sun, 07-21-2013, 01:52 AM

Like the ANN article said earlier, the director intends to insert some light filler arc next. That leaves even less space for any canon arc following later. Though I'm sure the light novels are full of short stories they can animate. I would have liked to see the current manga arc animated, but it would likely be too long, based on how stretched this sisters arc was. Unless the director does a 180 turn in his directing habits.

KrayZ33

Sun, 07-21-2013, 02:56 AM

On what grounds? We knew that the Sister's arc was going to get animated. We didn't know it would take up the majority of the series and not be abbreviated in any way at all.

I knew

description says it'll focus on the Sisters Arc and the show itself is called Railgun S....

Ryllharu

Sun, 07-21-2013, 06:35 AM

Interesting theory, but you're making it all up with the benefit of hindsight.

J.C. Staff picks stupid names for their sequels all the time.
Shana -> Shana II -> Shana S -> Shana F
Slayers Revolution -> Slayers Evolution-R

Nowhere officially is this series referred to as Railgun Sisters, that's just stuff people put on ANN.

The problem isn't that the series has the Sister's Arc in it. The problem is that is basically ONLY the Sister's Arc, and we've already seen 70% of it. If Rozen Maiden (2013) can summarize 24 episodes and correct the anime original content of the previous series, then this certainly could have shortened the material from Index that we're largely seeing frame for frame.

edit:
This is like one step above the four back to back recap episodes in Wolf's Rain. I won't exaggerate and try to say this is a few steps above Endless Eight. Nothing is that bad.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 07-22-2013, 02:55 AM

That fight was done much, much better in Railgun than it was in Index. A lot of things made more sense. I was also annoyed by how much content is being repeated, but this made it fine for me.

Marik

Sat, 07-27-2013, 06:03 AM

[UTW-Mazui] Toaru Kagaku no Railgun S - 16 [720p][45301CBA].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=456825)

Kraco

Sat, 07-27-2013, 08:51 AM

So very tsundere... At least Touma didn't really lose anything since he's doing everything solely because of his hero complex and he's only interested in people who need help (Index needing that 24/7). But for fairness sake he would have deserved to get the cookies.

Now that it's over, it was a good arc. I hope the filler is short and we get something concrete to end this season.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 07-27-2013, 09:59 AM

MISAKA and Mikoto both got so much more development here - I'd say Railgun S is worth it just for that (as well as some Accel, but he's not all that interesting unless he's bashing the shit out of people. It still pisses me off that he couldn't come up with "I could break him if I touch him throw a rock at him really really fast". That's generally what you do as well if you're afraid of someone).

It's almost like Railgun S is doing what Shana S did in trying to emphasise the relationship between our two main romantic characters.

Kraco

Sat, 07-27-2013, 01:38 PM

It still pisses me off that he couldn't come up with "I could break him if I touch him throw a rock at him really really fast". That's generally what you do as well if you're afraid of someone).

That doesn't work, unless you are a politician or some other scumbag, or a pos supercomputer called Tree Diagram. If he had killed Touma in a cowardly manner, he wouldn't have conquered his fear or achieved anything at all. He was getting his ass kicked fighting hand-to-hand, so he had to try to win that way to regain everything and power up (since powering up was all he cared about). When he seemed to be losing earlier he came up with the plasma bomb idea, feeling that was more progress than slaying 10000 Imouto had allowed him to make.

The scientists and Tree Diagram thought life is based on experience points like an old rpg and thus instead of struggling to kill one dragon you can go and get away with grinding and killing 10000 rats instead, safely and comfortably. Accelerator realised otherwise fighting Touma, and rightly so.

KrayZ33

Sat, 07-27-2013, 04:09 PM

Wehhh, that feel when Accel's finger broke

Archangel

Sat, 07-27-2013, 04:59 PM

Wehhh, that feel when Accel's finger broke
You and NeoCybercoin know what's up.

I could have gone without the mini redemption flashback though, he got punched because he was being a dick. Let him be a dick.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 07-27-2013, 08:33 PM

That doesn't work, unless you are a politician or some other scumbag, or a pos supercomputer called Tree Diagram. If he had killed Touma in a cowardly manner, he wouldn't have conquered his fear or achieved anything at all. He was getting his ass kicked fighting hand-to-hand, so he had to try to win that way to regain everything and power up (since powering up was all he cared about). When he seemed to be losing earlier he came up with the plasma bomb idea, feeling that was more progress than slaying 10000 Imouto had allowed him to make.

The scientists and Tree Diagram thought life is based on experience points like an old rpg and thus instead of struggling to kill one dragon you can go and get away with grinding and killing 10000 rats instead, safely and comfortably. Accelerator realised otherwise fighting Touma, and rightly so.

The idea is just to win. The whole point of fighting Misakas and everything was that it was supposed to make it more difficult for him by the end as the sisters learned how to counter his ability, NOT that the sisters were supposed to give him 1xp each. The prerequisite to levelling up is not to lose (in his case anyway). If you can't beat Touma in hand to hand, don't fight him in hand to hand. The problem was that his thought process wasn't even "If I have to level up, I have to beat him in hand to hand", it was "If I can touch him, he's dead" - whcih obviously wasn't the case as he should have learned from his previous exchange. The whole idea of gaining experience is to learn - Accel didn't learn.

Kraco

Sun, 07-28-2013, 01:57 AM

I see you are supporting the scientists and Tree Diagram's view, but everything we have seen, that is, the evidence, speaks against it. Even after 10000 Imouto they couldn't do jack shit against Accelerator. Except make him really, really bored. I guess getting super bored might encourage him to make great discoveries but, to be honest, I think the plasma bomb was far better in that regard than reversing the blood flow of a person.

That said, if he had killed Touma in a single second by sending a rock at bullet speed, he wouldn't have learned anything at all. Touma would have been just another fly comparable to the Imouto clones. Winning in that manner doesn't teach him anything at all. At least not anything wholesome. I said much earlier in this thread that perhaps the Tree Diagram wasn't actually counting on the Imouto to become stronger or anything like that but simply making Accelerator utterly insane by having him kill 20000 persons in cold blood. Since esper powers are all about personal reality, insanity might be the best path to the strongest powers. Although I think the scientists wouldn't have much enjoyed an even more lunatic Accelerator, but they seemed the type who wouldn't care even if the experiment cost them their own life.

shinta|hikari

Sun, 07-28-2013, 08:02 AM

I think Accelerator going for a melee against Touma was stupid on his part, but believable. He was confused, pissed, and afraid all at the same time, having so many firsts happening to him in such a short span of time.

Ryllharu

Sun, 07-28-2013, 10:59 AM

Indeed. Accelerator is a person who has never been hit in his entire life. He actually wondered if what he had felt was pain (though that one is a little silly, even someone like him should have suffered a stomach ache or something at some point in his life).

There is no doubt in my mind that he thought for a few moments that he had actually allowed it to happen for some reason.

The situation is very similar to how Touma defeated the self-hypnosis magic guy, except Touma actually knocked Accelerator out.

Espers and magicians alike are in a state of shock when initially fighting Touma. Only a few of them actually figure out that he is actively negating their abilities. Even Mikoto, in all her numerous fights with him, still thinks that Touma is using his ability to stop her electricity specifically, not just negating everything.

edit:
Oriana Thompson is one of the only few I can think of that decided to use it against him.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 08-03-2013, 10:12 AM

[UTW-Mazui]_Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_S_-_17_[720p][60B4FC61].mkv (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=459264)

Kraco

Sat, 08-03-2013, 12:16 PM

The best parts of this uneventful episode were the scenes of Saten teasing Mikoto with questions about the cookies. Mikoto's tsundere reactions never fail. As an added extra the expression on Saten's satisfied face reminded me of Rin's happy face in Usagi Drop.

Archangel

Sat, 08-03-2013, 03:28 PM

This second part is gonna suck so much :/

Ryllharu

Sat, 08-03-2013, 03:50 PM

From the looks of the preview, they're going to air the Index movie, probably with an additional scene to make it the "special" version. Did it get bad reviews?

Kraco

Sat, 08-03-2013, 04:16 PM

From the looks of the preview, they're going to air the Index movie, probably with an additional scene to make it the "special" version. Did it get bad reviews?

I still find that hard to believe. First it's a remake of the sisters arc we had already seen, (then one-shot filler episode), and then an Index movie, huh? What was this second season of Railgun for if this is everything it has to offer?

Ryllharu

Sat, 08-03-2013, 04:26 PM

Archangel

Sat, 08-03-2013, 04:43 PM

From the looks of the preview, they're going to air the Index movie, probably with an additional scene to make it the "special" version. Did it get bad reviews?
Wat? Why would they air the movie, the Blurays aren't even out yet.

It's probably just a special episode tie-in, hopefully not an epilogue.

Kraco

Sun, 08-04-2013, 02:05 AM

I guess it makes some sense to do what they're doing. The next arc in the Railgun manga is even longer than the Sister's arc, and isn't even over.

The alternative is to pad it with garbage fillers. As much as I'd like more Kongo, the made-for-the-anime stories just aren't any good.

They could have taken some shorter Mikoto heavy arc from the novels and made it even more Mikoto heavy. In an ideal world that would never happen...

I guess not too much stock should be put in the OP considering the first OP was hardly descriptive of what happened in the sisters arc, but it seems to me, assuming if has any relevance at all, that the ending of this season won't be so different from the bs ending of the first season. That is, they will be fighting pesky powered suits and whatnot. However, like I said yesterday, I'd rather agree with Archie at this point and think it'll be just a special episode doing little but advertising the movie.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 08-17-2013, 02:40 AM

[UTW-Mazui]_Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_S_-_18_[720p][7DB947D7].mkv (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=463834)

Kraco

Sat, 08-17-2013, 04:23 AM

I guess it's safe to assume this is an anime original arc to end this season? Looks like level 0 scientist wannabes trying to prove their worth by using terrorist tactics to outsmart the city and random espers.

Oh, well, I'll wait and see. I did finish the second half of the first season, so I have seen the worst already. Maybe this will be even good, you never know.

Inazuma

Sat, 08-17-2013, 12:31 PM

Archangel

Mon, 08-19-2013, 12:13 PM

Had to skip parts to get through this episode

Buffalobiian

Fri, 08-23-2013, 05:10 AM

Well, I finally watched this. I didn't realise until I posted episode 18, that I hadn't actually finished episode 17 from the week before. Somewhere during the middle of it I just dropped out and didn't finish it.

Once again, thank you smartphones for bringing me anime when I have time for them.

Kraco

Fri, 08-23-2013, 05:33 AM

Much More Railgun III – Railgun S Special - UTW-Mazui 720p (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=465913) | 1080p (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=465912)

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Quite a funny Railgun special.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 08-24-2013, 08:03 AM

[UTW-Mazui]_Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_S_-_19_[720p][D7A02698].mkv (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=466178)

Kraco

Sat, 08-24-2013, 08:07 AM

Buffalobiian

Tue, 08-27-2013, 12:24 AM

Episode 19 - UTW-Mazui (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=466178)

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Is anything worthwhile supposed to happen in this arc? As stretched as the Sisters arc was, I can't help but wonder if the Japanese fans really prefer this over it.

The students commented that Misaka was the "real one", which gave me the initial impression that Febri was an attempt to reproduce an Electromaster. Then they threw in something about experimenting with Meltdown, and I have no idea anymore. The fluff is suffocating though.

Kraco

Tue, 08-27-2013, 02:19 AM

The students commented that Misaka was the "real one", which gave me the initial impression that Febri was an attempt to reproduce an Electromaster. Then they threw in something about experimenting with Meltdown, and I have no idea anymore.

I thought they were building some fancy machinery or something that could stand a chance against espers. The beginning of the arc had Meltdowner annihilate those robots, possibly for some in situ ability measurements. Thus they were pleased to encounter Misaka as well; after all, just a single high level esper doesn't yet provide much in the way of statistics. However, I have absolutely no idea how Febri fits in, unless she's just some dummy they intend to use as a bait. That wouldn't really fit in very well with her initial fear of Misaka, though. Maybe she has some weird power the wannabe mad scientist students need in their experiments.

Yukimura

Tue, 08-27-2013, 06:46 PM

Buffalobiian

Tue, 08-27-2013, 08:24 PM

In before Febri turns out to be an artificial esper/construct with either the power to have all powers through mimicry or absorption, or (hopefully less likely) some sort of general or wide area esper power nullification/countering ability. If it's the latter I'd bet on some sort of computer analysys program that figures out how an espers powers work and makes optimal suggestions about how to go about neutralizing them.

But we already have Touma and the power-down speaker system from last time! :(

I'd very much rather they came up with a super-powerful esper instead... but then we also had that AMI monster from last time...

We can't step away from rehash, can we? :S

Archangel

Wed, 08-28-2013, 03:20 PM

[Woun] To Aru Majutsu no Index Movie Miracle of Endymion [BDrip][720p][CNsub]+SPECIAL
(http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=467542)

Should we wait for UTW?

Kraco

Wed, 08-28-2013, 03:27 PM

Should we wait for UTW?

Did the Japanese BD have English subtitles or why do you ask? I assume that particular release has provided only Chinese subs, and Chinese isn't exactly my strongest language...

Archangel

Wed, 08-28-2013, 05:03 PM

Hmm? I think those have english as well don't they?

Kraco

Sat, 08-31-2013, 05:26 AM

Episode 20 - UTW-Mazui (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=468281)

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80% fluff, 20% something remotely interesting. While I normally in fact enjoy a plot of some little kid thrown into the middle of hardcore action characters, I don't enjoy it anymore when it's all about that little kid and nothing else (but slice of life moeblobbery). Fortunately this arc, as tiresome as it started to get, the half-assed fight didn't much help that, saved some of its rapidly running out grace by turning the little kid into something artificial. I know I shouldn't expect anything much from this arc despite that, hardly any existentialistic pondering, and I wouldn't really dare to expect for the android (or whatever she is) to encounter an unavoidable demise as the plot progresses, leaving all the girls to face the grim reality.

The enemy must be the most underwhelming one so far in the history of Railgun.

Kraco

Sat, 08-31-2013, 04:18 PM

[Woun] To Aru Majutsu no Index Movie Miracle of Endymion [BDrip][720p][CNsub]+SPECIAL
(http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=467542)

Should we wait for UTW?

Endymion - Hatsuyuki (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=468485)

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I watched this release, after starting to harbour doubts if it's really worth it to wait for UTW's possible release. And no, it wouldn't be worth it. The movie was all over the place (literally) and while I wouldn't exactly say it didn't focus enough, as it did quite admirably, I'd instead say that the more it focused, the stupider it got. I suppose trying to integrate all of the popular characters was a sign of a minor lack of focus, but honestly some Accelerator did wonders to this festival of foolishness even if his role was completely unnecessary.

I wish at least the singing had saved this thing, but it was utterly forgettable, which is quite unforgivable considering it played such a huge role. They should have learned a thing or two from Angel Beats or Macross.

Edit: And, Jesus Fucking Christ, I had blissfully forgotten just how bloody annoying Index is. I guess Railgun has one saving grace if nothing else: Index doesn't get screen time.

Archangel

Sun, 09-01-2013, 03:23 AM

The Hunter x Hunter movie was crap as well, One Piece Z was mostly crap with some good moments. Come to think of it, when was the last time we saw a good non standalone anime movie?

Ryllharu

Sun, 09-01-2013, 05:55 AM

You mean aside from the Evangelion movies? The K-ON movie.

You'll make some posturing elitist response to prove you're some "Type A" fan, that moe is ruining anime and so forth, but it was a good non-standalone movie.

Archangel

Sun, 09-01-2013, 06:30 AM

I'm sure i would but i haven't seen it so i can't. And the evangelion movies don't count, they could very well stand on their own when it comes to the story. And even if they did the last one was terrible as well.

I did come up with a good example though, The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya. See it appeals to both our points because i can recognize it as a good movie and you get to suck Kyoto Animation's dick a little more.

Ryllharu

Sun, 09-01-2013, 06:41 AM

Pretend you know nothing about the any of the characters in Evangelion. That 1.0 You are not alone is the first Eva thing you've ever seen. It's not a great movie unless you already know the characters, it would confuse the hell out of most people. Misato gets zero character development for most of the movie series so far, just for one example. It's good because viewers know what it compares to.

Kraco

Sun, 09-01-2013, 07:58 AM

but it was a good non-standalone movie.

You seriously judged this movie good? I'd call it worth watching if you are already an Index/Railgun fan (like I am), but I wouldn't call it good. Although the production values were good (not counting the script and songs). Calling it good would be an insult to all genuinely good anime movies, or even most of the canon arcs of the Index/Railgun series.

Ryllharu

Sun, 09-01-2013, 08:45 AM

No, I was still off-topic referring to the K-ON movie. I haven't watched EndemiyonFuFuSaladMustard647 yet.

Kraco

Sat, 09-07-2013, 06:24 AM

Episode 21 - UTW-Mazui (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=470576)

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In order to avoid pure hypocrisy I have to confess this episode even managed to get me a little interested. Perhaps because Febri got less screen time and the ambiguous enemy actually felt like an enemy for the first time, when the girls were struggling to find out anything at all with the impending deadline looming in the horizon. I'm not entirely sure what to think about Misaka relying so openly on the others. I can't shake the feeling that since this is a filler it might be uncalled for and will come to kick the story in the ankle later in the canon arcs, since in the canon so far the others have mainly been ignorant, aside from Kuroko's obvious encounters with Misaka's darker side. Thus I find it troublesome it's a filler where they suddenly get dragged in. Another thing I could have survived without is the what's-her-name woman from the previous season's miserable latter half appearing again.

KrayZ33

Sun, 09-08-2013, 02:50 PM

You seriously judged this movie good? I'd call it worth watching if you are already an Index/Railgun fan (like I am), but I wouldn't call it good. Although the production values were good (not counting the script and songs). Calling it good would be an insult to all genuinely good anime movies, or even most of the canon arcs of the Index/Railgun series.

"its magic / a miracle, I ain't gotta explain shit: the movie-dex"

was worth watching for the fighting scenes and animation quality though
it had a very short "ego-shooter" scene too which looked very similiar to that in cowboy bebop

Buffalobiian

Mon, 09-09-2013, 10:07 AM

Kongo Mitsuko is the best thing that's happening this arc. She may not be waifu material, but these haughty ojou type of characters are rather entertaining to watch as long as they're not 100% bitches. She takes pride in her eliteness but doesn't let it get to her head. Her "lackeys" are more like devoted admirers who she helps and apologises to as friends.

She's the good type of classy, in contrast to the bitch that is Misaki. I really wish we'd see her get beaten up again by the end of this series.

Ryllharu

Wed, 09-11-2013, 04:58 PM

Re: Endymion

I wish at least the singing had saved this thing, but it was utterly forgettable, which is quite unforgivable considering it played such a huge role. They should have learned a thing or two from Angel Beats or Macross.
The CG dancing is so fucking bad. I've tried so many ways to describe how bad it is comparatively...and I just can't. Even 90s American CG cartoons didn't look this shitty. Anime has been doing rotoscoping to do dance sequences for decades when they can't do it properly otherwise, and this really could have used that. The hair is static, the limbs are rigid, and nothing is fluid in the slightest. It's not even like Para Para (http://youtu.be/pYqjeB7Q-g4) quality. It's like freshmen year animation class.

I need to watch the Macross movies just to get the image out of my retinas.

To be honest, it ruined the movie for me.
edit: Well, before the rest of it got even dumber.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 09-14-2013, 07:55 AM

UTW-Mazui - Episode 22 (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=472872)

Kraco

Sat, 09-14-2013, 09:17 AM

Mikoto is being helluva meek. But I suppose that doesn't clash with her established personality. She's more or less only tough when she's solely fighting for herself and is sure of her victory (or that there's no danger present). Like when she's beating random ruffians or trying to beat Touma. Plus she's too good-natured and self-sacrificing anyway to deal with the shady, insidious types.

I think I'd have enjoyed more watching Accelerator have a conversation with Therestina...

Buffalobiian

Mon, 09-16-2013, 01:18 AM

I don't know why Mikoto always insists on doing these infiltration missions herself, now that she's decided to tell her friends and let them help. Kuroko's ability is the best for bailing out of traps.

Kraco

Mon, 09-16-2013, 02:43 AM

She might have decided she can trust them and share some of the burden, but I very much doubt she would willingly share any of the danger with them. She considers herself the tank of the group.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 09-21-2013, 07:12 AM

[UTW-Mazui]_Toaru_Kagaku_no_Railgun_S_-_23_[720p][113E5243].mkv (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=475175)

Buffalobiian

Sun, 09-29-2013, 10:43 AM

UTW-Mazui - Episode 24. (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=download&tid=477931) 800MB of it.

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LMFAO. 5 insert songs.. they really did take that formula to heart.

I couldn't bring out any emotions here. The experience is best described as general apathy while music and action entered my brain with disconnect. Kongou's power was fun to watch while everyone else did more or less the same old thing*.

edit: * Misaka picked up the slapping/lecturing thing from Touma, that's new.

Kraco

Mon, 09-30-2013, 03:05 AM

They went admirably out of their way to ensure Touma didn't need to do anything in this arc. After all, instead of that fancy shooting a robot into the orbit, they could have had Touma pat Janie's head. That method of artificially removing him from this arc for the sake of the series was made all the funnier by Mikoto actually begging a favour out of Misaki; as if she would find it easier to rely on her than Touma.

Yeah, this arc did nothing for me emotionally, either. Still, at least this was better than the last portion of the first season. Too bad they didn't keep animating the manga, who knows for what reason. I know the Japanese otaku can't be underestimated enough, but I seriously fail to understand how they could prefer this over the canon story.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 09-30-2013, 03:53 AM

They are milking the series. They probably plan to use the manga content for the next season, then slap another filler hell at the end.

There was so many things random and wrong about this arc that I don't even.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 09-30-2013, 04:22 AM

Yeah, this arc did nothing for me emotionally, either. Still, at least this was better than the last portion of the first season. Too bad they didn't keep animating the manga, who knows for what reason. I know the Japanese otaku can't be underestimated enough, but I seriously fail to understand how they could prefer this over the canon story.

I don't know, I actually felt kinda cool watching the finale from S1. Any climax this final ep potentially had was deadened by the volume of musical pieces.

Kraco

Mon, 09-30-2013, 04:45 AM

I don't know, I actually felt kinda cool watching the finale from S1. Any climax this final ep potentially had was deadened by the volume of musical pieces.

Oh, I also felt immensely cool watching the end of S1. Because I knew the idiocy would finally stop. I'm such a big fan of Mikoto I couldn't drop it like I would have any other series turning similarly bad, so I was happy enough when the travesty finally ended.

MasterOfMoogles

Tue, 10-01-2013, 12:17 AM

Honestly, if you're going to do filler, this is how you do it. While the plots don't really make that much sense, I appreciate that they loosely tied them together. They even included the terrible movie in the filler subplot with the mech design and the space elevator itself.

While the story doesn't make any sense, I can still enjoy Saten piloting a giant robot and Kongou rocketing it into space, and Misaka using it as railgun ammunition.
Kuroko with javelins is also pretty cool. Though it would have been better if she just javelin'd the first one and then used that robot corpse and telefragged it into the other robots, making a giant robot katamari.

S1 - railgun with mecha arm
S2 - railgun with mecha body
I can only imagine what they'll have Misaka use as railgun ammo in season 3 filler.

Ryllharu

Tue, 10-01-2013, 03:55 PM

This series needed a lot more Kongou. She's one of the best things that comes out of Railgun, but they never give her enough screen time. Instead they waste episodes on the boring characters introduced in the bad final arcs of season 1. The ones with no personality, no entertaining abilities, and no fun rivalry with any of the characters. Kongou even has a pretty good character development in finding her own two best friends despite her proud outward attitude.

I don't watch Railgun for the dull friendship between people who might as well not even have powers. I watch it for entertaining stuff like Kongou slapping a rocket booster to power armor and then watching it spin off into the sky to crash into who the hell knows what.

It's like Kuroko destroying a building with teleportation. These are espers with super awesome powers and lacking the wisdom to use them correctly and appropriately. Be creative!

No, we get, "I'm gonna be sad because I was living with you and now you want to move in with your best friend."

Less weepy go-nowhere "drama," more paper fan waving and air-rockets!

edit:
We get episodes devoted to espers who can...talk to other psychics. We don't get mindwipe brainwash physics. Lame.

One saving grace was the reason Meltdowner was helping. It wasn't because she cared about what was going on. No, she was just pissed at being used. Didn't care by whom or what for, she was just going to make them suffer.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 10-01-2013, 08:10 PM

This show needed more Shokuhou and Mugino. They are by far the best characters introduced in this season.

I also wanted more Kinuhata. That deadpan washboard hotpants combination!!!

Buffalobiian

Tue, 10-01-2013, 08:57 PM

+1 for Shokuhou. She's a bitch, but at least she's interesting.

Archangel

Sun, 10-06-2013, 04:49 PM

They really have a tendency to go full retard with Toaru filler don't they. I don't even want to go into detail how fucking stupid it all was because i'd never be done typing.

Whatever, the first part was ok and i only skimmed through the second one anyway.

Kraco

Fri, 01-10-2020, 05:33 PM

Railgun T - 01

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This instantly feels more entertaining that Index. Probably because this doesn't have the insufferable character called Index. No idea if I keep watching this, though. I didn't end up watching Accelerator either. It feels like enough to read the manga adaptations. I did watch a bunch of episodes of the newest Index series, but somehow I couldn't be bothered to finish it. It was too hurried and disjointed. Maybe I should check how far the manga adaptation is, assuming it's still running like Accelerator and Railgun. I just wish Railgun had more Touma+Misaka scenes (without Index, obviously).