Bleach 230

[Marik]

[DB]​ Bleach​ 230​ [A74C2BE0].avi (http://dattebayo.com/t/b230.torrent)

This arc looks promising. It should be better than the Lurichiyo arc at least.

[digitalrurouni]

Yeah I heard it will be 52 episodes or something like that! I must say i like the new characters looks and style :)

[Maverick-DBZ-]

WOW... :eek:


This was a really good filler. I really hope it's a good arc because it started off really well with a really good build-up so far.

[Marik]

This was a really good filler.
Yeah, especially when you compare it to some of the past stuff.. I just hope they can keep it up and it ends on a high note.

[Nadouku]

I have high expectations in this arc (just like the Amagai Sucksuke Arc). However... they both did start off good in the beginning and then one of them ended up being so bad that I wish it didn't even exist in the first place. Still, the concept of the arc is somewhat questionable. I thought of Soul Slayers to be partners that shared close bonds with their Death God masters. Why would they want to revolt now? They were always fighting together and helping each other out, unless the Soul Slayers harbored a deep hatred for their Death God counterpart for a quite a long time. In any rate, only Ichigo and Zangetsu will probably be still partners in action, since I don't see Zangetsu betraying Ichigo soon.

[Mahado]

I have high expectations in this arc (just like the Amagai Sucksuke Arc). However... they both did start off good in the beginning and then one of them ended up being so bad that I wish it didn't even exist in the first place. Still, the concept of the arc is somewhat questionable. I thought of Soul Slayers to be partners that shared close bonds with their Death God masters. Why would they want to revolt now? They were always fighting together and helping each other out, unless the Soul Slayers harbored a deep hatred for their Death God counterpart for a quite a long time. In any rate, only Ichigo and Zangetsu will probably be still partners in action, since I don't see Zangetsu betraying Ichigo soon.

I came up with this conclusion: This Muramasa guy is controlling or somehow got other Zanpakuto turn against their owners, plus he is Zanpakuto of Zaraki Kenpachi. Because if this is the case, then he should have grudge/hate towards Shinigami. (Makes kinda sense, since Zaraki was gone off somewhere in this episode and he wasn't in good relationship with his zanpakuto). ;P

[ian_sanzo]

Yes this Arc is really interesting, I keep on wondering how the shinigami will handle this situation.

[Nintendo]

A very promising intro to the new filler arc,i hope it continues and ends in that way.
for the shinigamis i think they now only have kiddu and their brute strenght to get back their swords beside the help from ichigo and his friends who don't have Zanpakuto so their powers are still there.on the other hand i think they won't show Zaraki in this arc coz his Zanpakuto doesn't have a known name or never released by Zaraki before so he is VERY strong with only his brute force so if he is present he will kick all these Zanpakutos asses very easly and make them return to their owners and by that there will be no blot or story to continue.

[Shadow Skill]

Dang, I was hoping for a physical form of Zangetsu where he owns all the other Zanpakutos and sends them back to their masters. Muramasa is Bakyuya's?

[November 11]

The concept is very interesting, I always wonder about the other zanpaktous spirit form since we only seen Zangetsu so far.

If they keep up the atmosphere, this should provide some enjoyable episodes, filler or not. The character designs pretty decent too.

Muramasa could be the sleek zanpaktou/katana at the very beginning of the episode.

[Harima Kenji]

Dang, I was hoping for a physical form of Zangetsu where he owns all the other Zanpakutos and sends them back to their masters. Muramasa is Bakyuya's?
Byakuya's is Senbonzakura. I'm guessing this is Kenpachi's.

But if I may guess the plot: It's a trick made by Genryuusai to make people show respect for their zanpakutou or something. Or to get them to improve themselves without relying on their zanpakutou.

[UChessmaster]

A good filler episode...? wtf? what is this feeling...?

Anyway, are we absolutely sure they are the true form? might be some evil energy version of them, also, i didn`t saw zabimaru anywhere.

Also, Byakuya`s zanpaktou was the one that walked besides him, then japanese armor one.

[Nadouku]

It would make sense if this was a test from the General Commander but too many people have already died (unless they were fake but that doesn't seem like the case) and I'm also veering more towards Murasama being Zaraki's Soul Slayer. However... since Zaraki never had his Shikai before, we don't even know what it looks like (all the other Soul Slayers are in their representive Shikais when they released from their owners). I could probably say that Murasama belong to a new filler character and he or she will show up pretty soon, if not the next episode.

[Penner]

Yeah, this was really good, hope they can keep it up.

Damn, i wanted to see the physical incarnation of the Captain Commanders zanpaktou, tho we might have already and i just dont know it yet, same with Zarakis.

[Archangel]

Holy crap that was... awesome!

Better than the real thing, i hope they keep this arc rolling for many episodes to come

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah that was pretty damn interesting to see.
Also we DID see Zabimaru. Just check out the ED and you will see who they all are. Zabimaru is that one with the fury woman with the chained kid. Considering Zabimaru is a monkey AND a snake and that it has two personalities makes sense.

[DarthEnderX]

We've already seen Zabimaru in the series. He's a white baboon with the snake head for a tail.

http://www.bleachedichigo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/renji-zanpakuto.jpg

Also, AWESOME episode. Not even "awesome filler episode". Just awesome episode period.

I don't buy for a second that Muramasa is Kenpachi's sword. Nothing about the character reminds me of Kenpachi, and the other zanpaktou seem very similary to their shinigami.

I fully expect Kenpachi is going to show up and turn the tide of the battle at a pivotal point since essentially none of his power comes from his zanpaktou.

[NeoCybercoin]

Darth...all of these Zanpaktou are human shaped. Hyourinmaru is shown to be a ice dragon as you saw in the episode. That would be his normal form. But then you saw his human form. So all zanpaktou here have a human form. Including Zabimaru.

[UChessmaster]

That`s what i`m saying, we`ve seen zabimaru before, but he wasn`t in the group of rebel swords.

[Archangel]

Obviously these forms aren't exactly the same as the originals, after all Matsumoto didn't recognize her sword at first and neither did Konomaru (sp?)

I'd assume these are their "evil" forms, so that the anime staff may represent all the swords they want without having to be troubled with the true forms Kubo may want to give them later on

[dragonrage]

That`s what i`m saying, we`ve seen zabimaru before, but he wasn`t in the group of rebel swords.
Zabimaru is in this episode, look at the match up at the ending of the episode. He is the one with the red hair that attacked the shinigami, along with Rukia's zanpaktou and a few others.

Also I have a question, does anyone know Yourichi's Zanpaktou name or even yachiru's?

[Marik]

Also I have a question, does anyone know Yourichi's Zanpaktou name or even yachiru's?

Both are unknown at this point.

[UChessmaster]

Zabimaru is in this episode, look at the match up at the ending of the episode. He is the one with the red hair that attacked the shinigami, along with Rukia's zanpaktou and a few others.

Also I have a question, does anyone know Yourichi's Zanpaktou name or even yachiru's?

Unless i`m missing a scene, the ones that attack the shinigamis are

Kazeshini (Hisagi)
Tobiune (Hinamori)
Hozukimaru (Ikaku)
Sode no Shirayuki (Rukia)

So no... i don`t think Zabimaru appeared, wich leads me to beleive he DOES has a diferent shape or is not among them for some reason, also note he does NOT appears on the ending song but the released sword does appears.

[Shadow Skill]

Always thought Senbonzakura was the name of an attack from Byakuya, not the actual name of his sword. :/ OH well, as long as this is an awesome arc. :)

Also, didnt Zangetsu say that a Shinigami and Zanpakuto cannot be at odds with one another and if they are, their power is dropped in half or something? Back when Ichigo was learning Bankai or something?

It seems as though, Ichigo is the only one who communicates with his Zanpakuto.

I really want to see a physical form of Zangetsu and have all the other Shinigami be like "WOW! Ichigo has the #1 awesome Bankai/Zanpakuto". :)

[dragonrage]

Unless i`m missing a scene, the ones that attack the shinigamis are

Kazeshini (Hisagi)
Tobiune (Hinamori)
Hozukimaru (Ikaku)
Sode no Shirayuki (Rukia)

So no... i don`t think Zabimaru appeared, wich leads me to beleive he DOES has a diferent shape or is not among them for some reason, also note he does NOT appears on the ending song but the released sword does appears.

You are absolutely right I Had Hozukimaru in mind for whatever reason when you asked about zabimaru, sorry.

[David75]

Nice ep.
It's strange because they potentially could do better with these filler eps than with the original arc. But they also have the potential to ruin it all.

I don't know what you all think, but for some reason this zanpaktou rebelion is linked to the shinigami being too weak.
Ichigo and friends being up to their level, other fights including arancar were they have great troubles being strong enough etc...

Since Zampaktous die with their master, and so many shinigami did lose in battles they shouldn't, you can understand why they would try to escape their master and try to protect themselves.

After the Soul Society arc, I've always thought that except the Commander, the Gotei 13 is quite weak.

[Nintendo]

Obviously these forms aren't exactly the same as the originals, after all Matsumoto didn't recognize her sword at first and neither did Konomaru (sp?)

I'd assume these are their "evil" forms, so that the anime staff may represent all the swords they want without having to be troubled with the true forms Kubo may want to give them later on



i totally agree with that.that's why we shouldn't take these forms seriously and just wait and watch what will happen next,may be it will all be an illusion or a spell made by the Evil guy or something,i don't know,we will have to wait and see.

[DarthEnderX]

I get the distinct impression that not everyone communicates face to face with their Zanpaktou. Some of them don't recognize the forms of their Zanpaktou because they've never seen them before.


I'd assume these are their "evil" forms, so that the anime staff may represent all the swords they want without having to be troubled with the true forms Kubo may want to give them later onSomeone mentioned in the thread for the previous episode that Kubo himself did the character designs for this arc.

[David75]

I get the distinct impression that not everyone communicates face to face with their Zanpaktou. Some of them don't recognize the forms of their Zanpaktou because they've never seen them before.


Hisagi clearly stated he hates his zanpaktou's form.
Yumichika is forced to hide his bankai and also has some kind of hatred for it.
Madarame refuses to show his bankai because he doesn't want to get responsibilities and lose his fun when fighting.
Zaraki Kenpachi doesn't give a damn about his zanpaktou, since he's so uber powerful he doesn't even need its abilities. only Ichigo did push him far enough, that in the end he was into asking its name.

So the point may be right there, as you pinpointed it.
Most shinigami aren't close enough to their zanpaktou, don't care, fear them, or hate them.
There's no fusion, no deep bond. They're mainly used as mere weapons.

Ichigo is the only example we know of deep bond beetween the shinigami and their zanpaktou, probably explaining how well he did in the SS arc, although he was inexperienced and less powerful.
Toushiro might be an example of some communication, altough probably at a much lower level.

[psiman]

So the point may be right there, as you pinpointed it.
Most shinigami aren't close enough to their zanpaktou, don't care, fear them, or hate them.
There's no fusion, no deep bond. They're mainly used as mere weapons.

Ichigo is the only example we know of deep bond beetween the shinigami and their zanpaktou, probably explaining how well he did in the SS arc, although he was inexperienced and less powerful.
Toushiro might be an example of some communication, altough probably at a much lower level.

i'd have to disagree with that... most if not all of the death gods are hundreds of years old and i find it impossible to believe that ALL of these people have weak relationships with their swords. We've seen points where various characters have either atempted or had actual conversations w/ their swords... now i don't care who you are but you go into battle enough with the same people (some times it just has to be once) a very strong bond is formed... just ask war vets.

Now to address their forms... i'm not 100% on this so i'll need confirmation but wasn't it stated that the physical manifestiation of a death gods sword reflected upon their own soul? if that's the case maybe all of these guys are reflections on Muramasa's soul?

also i'd like to know where Hanataro is.... we saw his shikai! even if it was just in a filler arc... also kenryu and his partner (forgot is name)

[The Chancellor]

Nice ep.
But they also have the potential to ruin it all.
How? This is epic in terms of story. I think they have to have something really weird or off happen in the story to have it ruined.

- the shinigami are going to have to come up with a new way to defeat them or bring them back. Even the Old man captain
- They have no powers, they're real life samurai now.
- The character design is epic for each one of the spirits
- They're basically walking bankais in raw power form.

I see few ways the producers can send this down the wrong path.

Edit: Also I'm guessing the little kid twins in the beginning are one of the dual blade swords. And guessing by Shunsuis reaction (just a guess) at the end when the last ones were walking away from their former owners, he wasn't surprised meaning his reiatsu or release probably didn't work before everyone else was trying and, we didn't see any spirit walk away from his. And obviously he's one of the only ones that has a dual type sword.

[David75]

How? This is epic in terms of story. I think they have to have something really weird or off happen in the story to have it ruined.

- the shinigami are going to have to come up with a new way to defeat them or bring them back. Even the Old man captain
- They have no powers, they're real life samurai now.
- The character design is epic for each one of the spirits
- They're basically walking bankais in raw power form.

I see few ways the producers can send this down the wrong path.

Edit: Also I'm guessing the little kid twins in the beginning are one of the dual blade swords. And guessing by Shunsuis reaction (just a guess) at the end when the last ones were walking away from their former owners, he wasn't surprised meaning his reiatsu or release probably didn't work before everyone else was trying and, we didn't see any spirit walk away from his. And obviously he's one of the only ones that has a dual type sword.

Well the Shinigami have their swordmanship, fast moves and kidou. But it's true that without the help of their zanpaktou, they're a lot less powerful.

Regarding the ability to screw an arc, everything is possible.

[The Chancellor]

Well the Shinigami have their swordmanship, fast moves and kidou. But it's true that without the help of their zanpaktou, they're a lot less powerful.

They have those to rely on yes. You have to admit though, with the thing that made them the most powerful, their key strength, against them in pure power form it'll be much harder to take them down or get them back. What I'm wondering is how they'll do it? Do they have to talk to them one on one with each like Ichigo did? Do they have to beat them hands down and make them listen to them again? It should be interesting. This could be the best bleach arc I've ever seen. In fact I think making this filler, is a major career mistake for Kubo. It can easily trump the bount arc and in terms of story, for me at least, the current Espada arc.

It's just a great long over due concept to play with in my opinion. I'm actually wondering what happened to the old mans zanpakto. Or the old man in general. Muramasa said that he isn't joining them. Is he holding him hostage? Does he have his zanpakto specially trapped with plans for it? Because they kind of just had him shocked when those three showed up at his office and then let it alone. And we didn't see his zanpakto I don't think.

By the way they show everyone's spirit form with the shinigami at the end matched up side by side. Most of them at least.

[DarthEnderX]

They have those to rely on yes. You have to admit though, with the thing that made them the most powerful, their key strength, against them in pure power form it'll be much harder to take them down or get them back.I think it depends entirely on the shinigami in question. They have definitely shown us Shinigami who pretty much don't use their zanpatou's because they are Kidou specialist. And their zanpaktou usually just gives them access to another, unique spell.

But someone, like, say, Byakuya, who can blow shit up with white lightning and bind shit with barriers and light prisons, can probably fight just fine.

[The Chancellor]

I think it depends entirely on the shinigami in question. They have definitely shown us Shinigami who pretty much don't use their zanpatou's because they are Kidou specialist.

The higtest and most experienced ones should be fine. Most of the time we only see the lowbies using shikai anyway. Kyoraku for example doesn't release for hardly anything or anyone. He doesn't need too. But, you also have to consider that these things have pure power, so it should be hard even for the high level ones to take down. What I'm curious about is why they are being set free? How did muramasa convince them to turn on them and break free? Because most of the spirits seem like they're just sick of being controlled, but we don't know yet.

In fact, Kurotsuchi and Kyoraku didn't seem fazed or surprised at all when they found out. Kurotsuchi just seemed like he found it interesting. So maybe he has a plan.

[Inazuma]

Me Wants Zaraki Kenpachi to whoop some ass

[The Chancellor]

Me Wants Zaraki Kenpachi to whoop some ass y? He's the most boring character in the entire series dude. And he doesn't even know the name of his sword.

[Penner]

*gasp* Blasphemy!

Zaraki is like my favourite character in the show!

[The Chancellor]

that must be why I got neg repped for the comment. I don't know if he's so strong, then Kubo made a mistake letting Ichigo beat him in the past. And either it was a mistake and Zaraki let him win, or Ichigo work his ass off for it.

[Penner]

lol someone neg repped you for that?

I don't think ive neg repped anyone since i registered here, atleast none that i can remember ^_^

/offtopic

[DarthEnderX]

Did you not watch the series up to this point?

Ichigo beat Kenpachi in the past. But then it's revealed that he's FAR more powerful if he uses two hands on his sword(stupid powerup that may be), which he didn't do against Ichigo. Kenpachi clearly let him win.

[Abdula]

Kenpachi clearly let him win.
Oh so now you agree with me.

[The Chancellor]

Oh so now you agree with me. Then you can also make the case that he was just fucking with Noitra the 5th espada, until he was just bored and actually wasting time just messing with him.

[DarthEnderX]

Oh so now you agree with me.Was I disagreeing with you before or after the Noitra fight? Because if I was disagreeing with you before, then I feel I was totally justified in doing so. There's was no real reason to believe Kenpachi was holding back.

Until the moment in the Noitra fight where he uses both hands and becomes ten times stronger.

At which point, yes, it becomes obvious Kenpachi was holding back during his fight with Ichigo.

Just like I wouldn't have thought Ikkaku was holding back against Ichigo either. But then BAM, he had Bankai all along.

[Abdula]

It was before the fight and as I said back then it was really obvious to me that Zaraki wasn't using his full power, he himself said he was handicapping himself to make the fight as even as possible.

Perhaps you'll reconsider your stance on Zaraki v. Tosen now too.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, Tosen is probably much more powerful than he let on. He wouldn't be much of a threat at the power level the main characters are at now if he wasn't.

But considering that Kenpachi was doing the same thing, I still think Kenpachi is stronger than Tousen.