Naruto Chapter 453

[Marik]

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[Archangel]

Sasuke just got his ass handed to him twice by killerbee, and the raikage is even stronger than he was.

Not to mention there are 5 of them!!!

Is he really that retarded?

[Psyke]

Sakura really needs to get her act together. Crying because of a question isn't really shinobi-like. :(

[ForteCross]

and she didnt wanted to cry when she though that sasuke was dead, way back on the first arc...

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

I totally forgot all about Gaara being a Kage. We might get to see a Sasuke/Gaara rematch! Not to mention it would be cool to see some of the other Kages fight.

[Patriot]

Everyone is really strong. And there is so much more involved right now. Wow, the potential is amazing...

Naruto is stronger then Sasuke...I just wanted to hear that once..

[Stitch]

Isn't Gaara going to have access to much less chakra now that he is no longer a host? Don't all his techniques use chakra pretty heavily? Won't he be less than half as effective as he used to be? Kankuro and Temari better step their shit up if they're going to bodyguard him.

Also, I call bullshit on Naruto being more powerful than Sasuke. That's bullshit. Naruto will just cry and whine until Sasuke starts to feel bad and decides that he too is going to change his vengeful ways.

[-=DS=-S.W.A.T3]

Isn't Gaara going to have access to much less chakra now that he is no longer a host? Don't all his techniques use chakra pretty heavily? Won't he be less than half as effective as he used to be? Kankuro and Temari better step their shit up if they're going to bodyguard him.

Also, I call bullshit on Naruto being more powerful than Sasuke. That's bullshit. Naruto will just cry and whine until Sasuke starts to feel bad and decides that he too is going to change his vengeful ways.


someones in denial naruto has been more powerful then sasuke for a whie now...

[Death BOO Z]

moon eye phase? isn't that just tsukiyomi?

I like the "god, you're dumb" look naruto has in page 10, priceless.

other than that, they ruined zetsu. after they ruined Sakon.

where the hell is Kisame?

[itadakimasu]

I really don't see gaara being super strong now that he's lost his tailed beast.

plus, how is sasuke going to go take on all of the kages.... I can see him raping danzo, but the kage's are the strongest from each country.

[Honoko]

And, is it my imagination, or is Kishi actually pacing the story in a way that's EXCITING? =0

[NeoCybercoin]

Sasuke thinks too high of himself. Im sure he thinks something like "Orochimaru defeated the 3rd and I killed Oro. So I am Kage level?"

[Rikudo]

where the hell is Kisame?

Tobi sent him to capture the 8-tails.

So has Naruto turn into Oprah now? It seems like whenever someone try to explain something, Naruto will go to a phase and think to himself that he can relate or understand what the other person is going through.

On the other hand, It looks like Tobi is considering to use Sasuke as a host for "Gedo Mazo." So a final rematch of Sasuke and Naruto will be a tailed-beast match.

[Assertn]

I was thinking about how difficult it will be for someone to finally figure out how to take out madara, but then I forgot that there was an attack that did successfully injure him...amaterasu. Sasuke's not completely defenseless against him, at least.

I wonder what syncing with the statue entails, though. I kinda figured it was an exclusive privilege of the kage clan, since the statue seems the exhibit all of the techniques of the 6 paths of pain.

[darkshadow]

Gaara, that is all.

[rockmanj]

I think Sasuke is being set up to fail. Tobi must surely know that their team can't kill 5 Kages.

[XanBcoo]

Is he really that retarded?
A thousand times this. Nothing Sasuke says or does makes sense anymore.

"Hey Sasuke, you're not as strong as you think you are. Even Naruto may be stronger than you.'
"I don't care. I'm off to kill the 5 Kages all at once. Maybe if I murder them, they'll understand my pain."

But I do love that Sakura still becomes a miserable, sobbing wreck every time his name is mentioned. Poor girl is fragile.

[Assertn]

Madara is one of the five kages....

[Sidnne]

I wonder what syncing with the statue entails, though. I kinda figured it was an exclusive privilege of the kage clan, since the statue seems the exhibit all of the techniques of the 6 paths of pain.


On the other hand, It looks like Tobi is considering to use Sasuke as a host for "Gedo Mazo." So a final rematch of Sasuke and Naruto will be a tailed-beast match.


I thought the statue was just the thing they used to extract the bijuus from the hosts, and the need a certain number of people to do it, which is why they need Sasuke for it, to replace the guys they lost?


Anyway, pretty cool chapter. I'm really enjoying the maturity that Naruto continues to display. And Sasuke is retarded for just deciding on a whim to try and kill the 5 kages, its not like they'll be alone either, they are all sure to have their best fighters with them. Plus, Sasuke's goals aren't political, so why should he care about the kages anyway?

Also, Tobi says Nagato's rinne tensei was supposed to be for him... that was the technique that brought everyone back to life right? I wonder if that was how Madara kept himself alive all this time, or if he meant it was precautionary to use in case something did happen to him.

Oh, and Gaara is back :)

[Death BOO Z]

wasn't the gedo manze technique the one that created the big ass statue?

the Madare - Payne chain of command seems really, really jiffy.

[Assertn]

Yes, gedo mazo is the statue. Someone needs to sync with it so they can summon it.

[RasenDori]

It really gets to me how Madara says one thing and does another. He claims that he will kill Sasuke, but then butters him up so he can use him. Then he has the nerve to blaim Sasuke and Pain for the Gokage Summit. With Akatsuki so close to its goals it was bound to happen. Hell, Sasuke "pulled off" his mission more discreately then Pain, and it was the "capture" of Killer Bee that caused the summit.

Man I totally forgot about Yugito being a Cloud Ninja.You would think that after she was defeated they would give Bee some protection, but I guess they thought that his control over the eight tails would make make him not lose very easiler. And I guess they were kind of right. (Why the hell did he ever release the eight tails anyway? He was winning that fight.)

I'm glad to see that Naruto is acting more mature. In the past he would have just yelled at Omoi and Karui, and claimed that he would never work with them. (Then in the usual Naruto plot twist become best friends with them.) It might be sinking into him that Sasuke might have to be dealt with as an enemy. It's clear that he doesn't want to deal with that. Poor guy. His heart must be crushed right now.

Seeing Gaara and the others is really exciting. Damn... they change costumes alot... anyone notice Temari's small fan and scroll? Looks like she got a new fighting style. I can't wait to see what Kankurou's got. I'm sure he's not using Sasori's hand me downs anymore after that thorough ass whooping. Hopefully they don't get glanced over. The Sand's gotten no love in part 2.

[FireEmblem]

Madara could either be setting Sasuke up to fail at this so that Sasuke realizes that he needs Madara's help, or Madara intends to help him at this Kage Summit and wipe out the other Kage's with Sasuke, but as the Mizukage. That would be sick!

[poopdeville]

If a certain crazy theory is true, it would be a 2 on 3 fight against the Raikage, Stone Kage, and Kazekage.

[Sidnne]

If a certain crazy theory is true, it would be a 2 on 3 fight against the Raikage, Stone Kage, and Kazekage.

No it wouldn't. Because if a certain crazy theory were true then you'd imagine that Sasuke would realize that if Madara is Danzou, and Danzou is responsible for the death of the Uchihas, then Madara is responsible for the death of the Uchiha. I'd hope Sasuke at that point would realize he'd been duped and fight against Madara.

[Assertn]

yeah...makes no sense for madara to put the blame on danzo if he himself is danzo

[poopdeville]

No it wouldn't. Because if a certain crazy theory were true then you'd imagine that Sasuke would realize that if Madara is Danzou, and Danzou is responsible for the death of the Uchihas, then Madara is responsible for the death of the Uchiha. I'd hope Sasuke at that point would realize he'd been duped and fight against Madara.

Sasuke already knows Madara was responsible for the death of the Uchiha, along with Itachi and Danzou (with varying degrees of responsibility and motives). Heck, he knows Madara killed the Uchiha basically for the fun of it. Sasuke can't do anything about it.

Also, if Danzou is a Kage Bunshin, Sasuke has no particular reason to think Danzou is Madara. More likely, he would think Danzou was a sorry sack of cowardly crap who was too scared to go to the Kage meeting. Even if he did realize it, he would HAVE to fight the three kages before he could fight Madara, since he is on their enemies list and revealed himself to them all.

Edit: Funny, I got called a "Tard" for this post. I wonder who it was... probably somebody who is habitually wrong.

[Sam98034]

I don't think Sasuke plans to fight all 5 of them--that would be silly. The whole idea is to set a trap or something for an assassination. If he could find a way to lock them all in one place and Amets them, it might do something. Of coarse there will be a back up plan and such and probably an escape plan.

[Patriot]

Genjetsu your opponent and then have your team take them out. 15 seconds to win. Not everyone has trained their left eye against the sharrigan. Itachi had to be the greatest Genjetsu user out there save for 1 or 2 historical greats, and Sasuke at least kept up with him in that battle. Sasuke could always use that tactic.

[darkshadow]

Trained their left eye against sharingan? Lol where did you get left from.
Anyway you must be a fool if you think that 5 kage's and their bodyguards would succumb to Sasuke's genjutsu.

The only way that could plausibly work if all ( thats like what, 15 people at least?) would stand against a wall looking at sasuke and he somehow puts them all under genjutsu at the same time, and then a second later kills all of them.

[rockmanj]

No way that would work? Anyone remember the chunin exam? I doubt any of the Kages succumbed to Oro's genjutsu trap. It appears that not even most jounin did. I don't know what Madara is getting at, but it seems like he's trying to off Sasuke.

[mage]

Trained their left eye against sharingan? Lol where did you get left from.

I believe he is referring to Deidara.

Anyway, I doubt Sasuke has any intention of killing all the kages and more likely just wants to take out Danzou.

[FireEmblem]

Genjetsu your opponent and then have your team take them out. 15 seconds to win. Not everyone has trained their left eye against the sharrigan. Itachi had to be the greatest Genjetsu user out there save for 1 or 2 historical greats, and Sasuke at least kept up with him in that battle. Sasuke could always use that tactic.

Wrong. Itachi was toying with Sasuke. Itachi would have ripped Sasuke if that was the real deal.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

I wonder if that (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/18/) is how Madara has managed to stay alive so long. Well at least for however long Nagato was in the Akatsuki. That is the jutsu that brought the people back to life right?

[The Chancellor]

Sasuke is retarded for just deciding on a whim to try and kill the 5 kages, its not like they'll be alone either, they are all sure to have their best fighters with them.

Lets once again visit this. You say it's stupid for him to try and kill the five kages at the summit. I agree, however I don't agree on the reason you seem to think. I might be the only one who thinks this, but they don't need any of those guards. At all. Most people seem to think that they need one or two, and the rest seem to think they need a crew. I think they can go around alone, unaccompanied by any guards at all. These are the strongest people in the entire village. They don't need any help whatsoever from anyone on fighting or protecting themselves. And I don't think Sasuke has the ability to even go toe to toe with a kage.

Plus, this quote from Kankuro backs me up.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/19-20/

And if someone is going to bust out Danzos age, I'm sure he has something up his sleeve (in both life experience and skill) that makes him a formidable fighter able to handle a whelp like Sasuke.

@ I must be the devil: he wants to sync him to it. Basically madara is saying he wants to make sasuke the unofficial leader of akatsuki like pein was so he doesn't have to get any heat and can continue to plot without anyone knowing he is behind it all. At this point, Sasuke is already basically his pawn anyway... madara wanted the 8-tails and knew there would be a lot of heat from abducting him so he sent sasuke. Now its sasuke getting all the heat not madara even though sasuke doesn't give a crap about the hosts. ya sasuke is already being used by madara and is already his pawn at the moment.

[darkshadow]

Kankuro's quote isn't backing you up, since both him and Temari are going with Gaara. Even if they are Kage's they will always have 1 or 2 strong people around them at all times when outside the village, going outside alone is just irresponsible.

[The Chancellor]

Kankuro's quote isn't backing you up, since both him and Temari are going with Gaara. Even if they are Kage's they will always have 1 or 2 strong people around them at all times when outside the village, going outside alone is just irresponsible. I'm not saying that the the village will let them go alone because of their status. I'm just making a statement that they don't need addition support from other guards. And how is it not backing me up? I'm not trying to start a post war with you, but (barring the recent rant Danzo was allowed to give to make himself new hokage) don't you think that the elders think hard and long about who to make the next kage? No matter what village? Besides speed of getting someone new into the seat within a matter of short days, a kage is probably chosen on three requirements:

1) the ability to take down anyone in the village by themselves. No help at all
2) good solid, likable reputation from both the peers, and the village elders. Kakashi is a great example (not for hokage, but for reason number 2)
3) the ability to lead extremely well and make good decisions (a byproduct, not trait, of leading well)

And I don't think it's irresponsible. I just think that they can all handle themselves in battle.

[darkshadow]

It is irresponsible, because if something happens a long the way, and the kage gets killed, their body and all their secrets then belong to the enemy, but if at least one escort survives, they can warn the village.

If the kazekage had more guards, there would've been a slightly higher chance that the sand would've been informed that Oro killed the kazekage, stopping the entire chain of events we all know.

The leader of any organization should never travel anywhere without some sort of escort.

[poopdeville]

@ I must be the devil: he wants to sync him to it. Basically madara is saying he wants to make sasuke the unofficial leader of akatsuki like pein was so he doesn't have to get any heat and can continue to plot without anyone knowing he is behind it all.

Rinne Tensei and Gedo Mazo are different techniques. Rinne Tensei is the technique Pein used to revived the village after he bombed it. Gedo Mazo is the "statue" summon that apparently sucks chakra out of people's bodies and stuck its chakra rods into Nagato's spine.

I must be the Devil is wondering if Madara has been using the Rinne Tensei to stay alive for over a hundred years.

It is an interesting idea, but if it is true, it might mean there has been a long line of people with the Rinnegan.

Edit: Apparently, I am "another dumb fuck", based on this post. Heh. Keep 'em coming, please.

[samsonlonghair]

Sasuke isn't in deep enough shit already. Just pissing off the Raikage isn't enough. Now Sasuke is going to attack all five kages at once. The entire ninja world will sign his death warrant.

[Sam98034]

It is an interesting idea, but if it is true, it might mean there has been a long line of people with the Rinnegan.

I don't think there's ANY way that could be the case. I thought Nagato was the only one who has ever had it. Ever. Or their could have been like 6 before him. It's one of those.
Seriously, though. Doesn't the manga blatently state that there has been a long line of people with it? And if you were being sarcastic, I'm a stupid idiot and I'm sorry.

[darkshadow]

The manga only states the "sage of the six paths" and "pein". Hardly a long line of people.

[Sam98034]

The manga only states the "sage of the six paths" and "pein". Hardly a long line of people.

What about this: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/449/01/
"He who controls the Rinnegan is a master of all six Pains' (plural) techniques." "Nagato is the 7th Pain..."

I interpreted that as there being 6 previous Pains, and the next one in line inherits all their skills. Did I read this incorrectly?

[Assertn]

What about this: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/449/01/
"He who controls the Rinnegan is a master of all six Pains' (plural) techniques." "Nagato is the 7th Pain..."

I interpreted that as there being 6 previous Pains, and the next one in line inherits all their skills. Did I read this incorrectly?
I believe you did read it incorrectly. I interpreted it as the six bodies that Naruto defeated are the six pains, with the puppetmaster, Nagato, being the 7th pain.

[Sam98034]

I definitely see how that can be the case. I read into it badly, I guess. It's settled, then: me=idiot. But the wording of "He who controls the Rinnegan..." does make it seem like only one person could have the technique and it switches owners.

[Patriot]

Trained their left eye against sharingan? Lol where did you get left from.
Anyway you must be a fool if you think that 5 kage's and their bodyguards would succumb to Sasuke's genjutsu.

The only way that could plausibly work if all ( thats like what, 15 people at least?) would stand against a wall looking at sasuke and he somehow puts them all under genjutsu at the same time, and then a second later kills all of them.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-360/page017.html

I don't expect Sasuke to win in a 5 on 1 against Kage's. i was refering to the fact if you go into a situation where you know there is a less then 1% chance of winning, then you come up with a home run strategy, and this would be Sasuke's bet. I was referring to something someone else said.

However having said that, I don't expect that Kishi would make it end for Sasuke at this point. I instead expect to see some subterfuge, in essence, Sasuke going after the hokage only, which is his intent in the meeting but rather what I see happening is him making some sort of deal in exchange for something with Danzou in the end. And we may get to learn something new of Danzou or Madara instead.

But right now, all we know is that Sasuke is only looking to kill Danzou.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-453/page015.html

[Patriot]

Wrong. Itachi was toying with Sasuke. Itachi would have ripped Sasuke if that was the real deal.

I know that, but I perfer to believe he was keeping up with him, 'toying' 'keeping up' Same difference...

[Assertn]

I'm 95% sure that at least Kankuro and Temari are going to fight during this arc.

[Archangel]

This is a pretty late warning, but sleepy fans kinda fucked up the translation

I recommend binktopia's release

http://www.binktopia.org/showthread.php?t=311

[samsonlonghair]

Sure they'll fight. Kishimoto wouldn't have wasted the time updating character models for those two if he didn't intend for them to fight. Their new outfits might look like a minor wardrobe change to us, but for the illustrator it meant many hours of work. Character models require revision after revision, after revision. It's a tedious, timer-consuming job.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/RockLee89/FFScopy.jpg



how long does bink usually take to clean and translate?

[enkoujin]

It seems like a day after SleepyFan's translations (Saturdays).

[Archangel]

It seems like a day after SleepyFan's translations (Saturdays).

Yeah

If you ask me, 1 day for better translation and incredibly better cleans seems like a good deal

[The Chancellor]

Rinne Tensei is the technique Pein used to revived the village after he bombed it

If Madara was able to stay alive for this long and then show up as Tobi, then why would he say that he was supposed use it on him instead of the village? He wasn't dead this whole time. He's been living as Tobi in the shadows?

[Sam98034]

Maybe Tobi was planning on dying as part of the plan. He might be a Jinch. or something.