One Piece Chapter 547

[Augury]

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Pretty epic.

[Death BOO Z]

indeed, though, we still don't know why black beard is there.

[Carnage]

That might be explained after the arc. I think Oda might just focus on getting to Ace for now.

[RyougaZell]

If Blackbear's actions will cause something epic it will probably be shown on its own chapter, like when he fought Ace. Otherwise, it will probably be a Cover Story.

For they finally made it. Even Iva-chan and Inazuma, who I thought were remaining behind.

Epic.

[Assertn]

Still don't know what shiryuu's up to either.
Lol, the giant Ivankov head is ridiculous.

[FireEmblem]

If Blackbeard removed his own poison, maybe he's the one that saved Inazuma and Iva?

And wow Magellan is so damn powerful haha!

[Sentenal]

I bet Blackbeard will be the one who ends up beat Magellen now, unless Magellen pulls a Smoker and begins constantly chasing Luffy.

[rockmanj]

So Jimbei is like a non-sucky Aquaman...Interesting; and yea, Ivankov's head is just plain absurd. I am not even sure it can fit on a ship.

[toonice714]

I...... LOVE...... THIS ......MANGA!! Jimbei can manipulate the seakings?!? That is soo cool. If I remember correctly arlong's gang had a seaking with them but sanji owned it with one kick. Cant wait to see the next chapter. I wonder if this current force will join the revolutionary army.

[rockmanj]

Those weren't sea kings, they were whale sharks; probably to protect them from the sea kings.

[poopdeville]

So Jimbei is like a non-sucky Aquaman...Interesting; and yea, Ivankov's head is just plain absurd. I am not even sure it can fit on a ship.

Of course it can. Didn't Jaguar D. Saul fit on a battleship? He was a giant. Admittedly, it's hard to imagine him having a room to sleep in.

[Archangel]

Why didn't Luffy just use that giant boot to squash Magellan?

And how the hell did the guy managed to shake off Luffy's champion punches just like that???

Looks like he's pretty tough, even without his poison powers

[rockmanj]

I guess, because he's logia, he just like reforms after the punches. Really, he is uber powerful, but wouldn't you want the warden of the most dangerous prison in the world to be tough? If someone like Wapol or Nami ran it, there would be chaos. Not that I am a proponent of the WG or anything...

[Assertn]

I'm pretty sure magellan is a paramecia

[Archangel]

I'm pretty sure magellan is a paramecia

Maybe a special king of logia like Blackbeard?

I know it's stretchy but i just refuse to believe that Luffy's attacks at this point would have so little effect on anyone not a logia

Even Blackbeard got hurt ( badly i might add ) by Luffy's attack

[poopdeville]

Didn't they say Crocodile was a logia? If he is, then Magellan could be. Also, I'm pretty sure Magellan is a logia, since his legs keep disappearing when he uses the poison monsters.

I really don't understand what the difference between them (logia/paramecia) is supposed to be, considering that Luffy's fruit doesn't merely give him the power to stretch, but makes him into a rubber man. That is to say, it didn't give him a power, it changed what he was fundamentally.

This is very much unlike Wapol, Moria, Buggy, Kuma, Robin, Kalifa, Justice Kidd, Trafalgar Law, or Bon~chan. Or that invisible guy on Thriller Bark. Or Das Bones or his female partner (the bar owner with the steel web), Brooke, Alvida. Or Mr. 3. Or the Mafioso captain. Or... damn, that vampire onion looking guy with the Slow-Slow fruit.

Or Blueno, who can make doors on and through anything.
Or Inazuma, who can cut anything and treat it like a piece of paper.

I think I have listed all the known paramecia users. Is there any other known paramecia fruit which causes the user's body -- in terms of what it is made of -- to change?

Also, the only person (that I remember) who called Luffy a paramecia type was Enel. And he didn't know what rubber was, let alone that somebody could conceivably be made of it...

[Assertn]

Luffy's attack on Magellan during their first fight seemed to be pretty effective on him. The difference this time, however, is that Luffy never went into gear 2nd. All logia users have a passive defense that makes attacks pass through them. BB explicitly stated that he is the exception to this. There has never been an instance where Magellan physically turned himself into poison, and even when he's traveling around, he just uses his poison as a chute to slide across. None of these behaviors point to Magellan being a logia type.

[poopdeville]

Their passive defense is a product of the fact that their bodies have changed "into" their element. Blackbeard's darkness absorbs everything. Crocodile's sand is just plain old sand, and "explodes off" if he is struck hard. It clumps together if it gets wet. Just plain old sand, under Crocodile's control.

Luffy's rubber is just plain old rubber, and bounces if it is struck. It gets cut by blades, just like plain old rubber. That is to say, Luffy has a form of this passive defense. It just isn't as awesome as Enel's (who basically has no weakness aside from the obvious one, since his element has none/few) and significantly better than Blackbeard's. Someone who was literally made of diamond would have it too, and theirs would presumably be stronger than Luffy's. Someone who was made of glass would have it, but it would be a terrible weakness unless they learned to stay in a liquid state (in which case, they would have the flowing action described)

[Assertn]

Don't hate the player, poopdeville, hate the game.

Enel's body is made of lightning, and so regular attacks pass through him. Luffy's body is made of rubber, so blunt attacks don't hurt him. Yet, Luffy is distinctly classified as paramecia and Enel is distinctly classified as logia.

All you can do is accept that this is the way Oda presents his story.

[rockmanj]

Yea, it does say he is a paramecia; my mistake, but he is damn powerful...except for the diarrhea...

[poopdeville]

Yet, Luffy is distinctly classified as paramecia and Enel is distinctly classified as logia.


By who?

The only person who has said Luffy was a Paramecia was Enel, who didn't even know what rubber was. And Enel was demonstrably wrong about a lot of things. He saw Luffy stretch, claimed that was the limit to his power, and on that limited basis decided he was a Paramecia type. Of course, stretching is not the limit to his power. He is invulnerable to attacks that wouldn't hurt rubber. He can turn into a giant, by inflating his bones, he can pump his own blood faster than his heart lets him. And it is all because he is made out of rubber.

I am not saying Oda is wrong. I am saying I think Enel was wrong.

I think, under these circumstances, if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

[Assertn]

By who?

The only person who has said Luffy was a Paramecia was Enel, who didn't even know what rubber was. And Enel was demonstrably wrong about a lot of things. He saw Luffy stretch, claimed that was the limit to his power, and on that limited basis decided he was a Paramecia type. Of course, stretching is not the limit to his power. He is invulnerable to attacks that wouldn't hurt rubber. He can turn into a giant, by inflating his bones, he can pump his own blood faster than his heart lets him. And it is all because he is made out of rubber.

I am not saying Oda is wrong. I am saying I think Enel was wrong.

I think, under these circumstances, if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
uhh.....are you seriously going to tell me that Luffy is a logia user?

[Archangel]

uhh.....are you seriously going to tell me that Luffy is a logia user?

The element of rubber :D

[The Chancellor]

uhh.....are you seriously going to tell me that Luffy is a logia user? I think that's what he's trying to say yeah lol. I'm going to have to go with AssertN on this one.

A) Rubber can't be found naturally in nature. It has to be manufactured. Even the tree it comes from doesn't have any rubber like properties.
B) Even though Luffy can take a lot of different kinds of damage from a lot of stuff. He can't piece his body together after it's been separated because well, he can't separate it like a logia user does.

And I know most of you are going to bust out Buggy against me, but it's not the same. When he gets sliced his body just separates. There isn't a natural element helping him reform a part of his body. And he can stay separated and can control the separation intentionally. When Kizaru got blown in half, his torso just followed suit and materialized to his legs forming his body again. When Aokiji gets an arm blown off, he can walk around while it regrows back on it's own. Buggy's and more over Luffy's arm can't be destroyed and reformed. That's the definition of a logia being practically unstoppable. The destruction, separation and reformation of the giving destroyed body part.

[poopdeville]

I asked a specific question: "What is the difference between a logia and a paramecia fruit?"

The question motivated by the fact that Luffy was granted powers not granted to anybody else in the class of paramecia users and otherwise only given to logia users. Most people only point to Enel when they affirm that Luffy is a paramecia, but he was demonstrably wrong about many aspects of Luffy's powers. It stands to reason he could be wrong about being a paramecia. Most people do not have better reasoning than merely pointing to Enel.

If Luffy is one giant lump of rubber, it would make sense that getting split in half would kill him (unlike, say, Crocodile, whose constituent particles would not be harmed by the split. However, if his sand itself was melted under high heat or otherwise destroyed, I suspect he would die. By the same token, Enel is just a giant lump of whizzing electrons. It would take an atom smasher to destroy his body, because you need to destroy the constituent parts)

Admittedly, your "was manufactured" argument does distinguish paramecia and logia users.

[Assertn]

I would probably also elaborate that the "rubber" of Luffy's ability could represent the texture of rubber, rather than any sort of specific rubber substance. Just like how Bellamy's spring fruit didn't physically turn him into a spring, but rather allowed him to have spring-like characteristics, you could argue that Luffy's ability allows him to have rubber-like characteristics.

[UChessmaster]

I agree with Assertn luffy has "Rubber-like" abilities, when he gets hit he doesn`t turns into actual rubber bits, thats what makes him paramecia, as for the he got diferent abilities than paramecia argument and is more logiaish type, i disagree there, paramecia essentially means it can be any random thing, maybe it comes with a pasive ability like luffy (ex. Albina) or maybe it doesnt (ex. Door guy from cp9), maybe you can do all random kind of attacks (ex. Moria) maybe its only good for one thing (ex. Bellamy), maybe you can pull a transformation out of it (Ex. Luffy, Moria again), maybe you dont (Ex. Buggy)

[The Chancellor]

Bellamy's spring fruit didn't physically turn him into a spring No but it did allow him to physically turn his legs into springs. And that's all that fruit was meant to do. Luffy's is meant to turn him into rubber. Does that mean if you cut open aokiji or Crocodile their body parts will be made of ice and sand? No, but that just means they're true logias. As soon as you start slicing, the part that was cut away will just regrow back.

[Augury]

I asked a specific question: "What is the difference between a logia and a paramecia fruit?"

Different paramecia fruits operate differently, and discussing certain paramecias' similarities to logia doesn't really answer the question. The rule Oda has used is:

Physical attacks pass through a logia user's body.
Physical attacks do not pass through a paramecia user's body.

Both paramecia and logia may be vulnerable to certain non-physical attacks that is dependent on each individual fruit.

The noted exception to this is Blackbeard, who states that his logia is different from other logia fruits because physical attacks do not pass through his body.

[The Chancellor]

Physical attacks pass through a logia user's body.
Physical attacks do not pass through a paramecia user's body.

That's another thing I didn't bring up. The fact that they have to pass through the users body and not do harm to them. Yeah blackbeard is one exception. I think he'll be the only one in the series though.

Another thing simply is, if you can find it naturally in nature then it's bound to become a logia fruit down the road in the series.

Although there are some I don't think we'll ever get:

rock
wood
water (although I think that Aokiji kind of took care of this one)
dirt?
lava (this might be another that's hard to tell because it's not really an element)

There are a lot of elements left. But I don't know whats to come. It should be interesting.

[Death13a]

Logia user can reform or fuse with their element. That how logia user regenerate by using their element nearby and making it part of their body. Paramecia can't use external elements to repair their damage.

Blackbeard's ability is to nullify person's fruit power on direct contact, which means he nullifies his own ability to regenerate/fuse with darkness .

Brook's revive-revive fruit allowed his soul to comeback from dead in a body, i wonder did it had to be his own body or anyone else?. Can he call back others back too from dead, and revive-revive fruit is not completely paramecia or logia, it keeps Brook from separating his soul from body but it just basic function, I kinda hope he can separate from his body and possess anyone's body even for few minutes, revive dead people(scripted plot-hole).

[FireEmblem]

Logia user can reform or fuse with their element. That how logia user regenerate by using their element nearby and making it part of their body. Paramecia can't use external elements to repair their damage.

Blackbeard's ability is to nullify person's fruit power on direct contact, which means he nullifies his own ability to regenerate/fuse with darkness .

Brook's revive-revive fruit allowed his soul to comeback from dead in a body, i wonder did it had to be his own body or anyone else?. Can he call back others back too from dead, and revive-revive fruit is not completely paramecia or logia, it keeps Brook from separating his soul from body but it just basic function, I kinda hope he can separate from his body and possess anyone's body even for few minutes, revive dead people(scripted plot-hole).

See now that's actually an interesting thought. Especially because Brook is currently on an island where they do rituals of some sort, it could be completely possible that he may learn something like, whether it's meant to be that way or by mistake. An ability like that would be a stepping stone for the Strawhats to catapult into one of the top crews of the New World.

Since we're speaking of abilities, I was thinking of what Kuma's paw teleportation required or worked on. Since we know that Moria said he knew how it worked, and that it wouldn't do him any good or something. I was thinking, that particular ability works based on what the user is thinking, based on Moria's comment, and the fact that Perona was sent to a dark and gloomy place near a castle, just like she was thinking. So my guess is that Kuma might not have sent the Strawhats to specific locations of his choosing, but rather their primary thoughts during their encounter with Kizaru, Sentoumaru, and the PX's was to "get stronger". At least that's the only way I can think of Moria's comment making sense, unless he knows some other way of countering it. Since he could easily keep his mind focused on Thriller Bark and the teleport would be null/useless.

[Assertn]

Since we're speaking of abilities, I was thinking of what Kuma's paw teleportation required or worked on. Since we know that Moria said he knew how it worked, and that it wouldn't do him any good or something. I was thinking, that particular ability works based on what the user is thinking, based on Moria's comment, and the fact that Perona was sent to a dark and gloomy place near a castle, just like she was thinking. So my guess is that Kuma might not have sent the Strawhats to specific locations of his choosing, but rather their primary thoughts during their encounter with Kizaru, Sentoumaru, and the PX's was to "get stronger". At least that's the only way I can think of Moria's comment making sense, unless he knows some other way of countering it. Since he could easily keep his mind focused on Thriller Bark and the teleport would be null/useless.
When did Moria say that he knew how Kuma's ability worked? Also, why would Luffy be thinking about amazon women? More importantly, why would Sanji be thinking about transvestites??

Besides, Sentoumaru already said that only Kuma knows where the destination lies.

[Death13a]

The reason why Kuma's ability won't work on Moria because Moria can change places with his shadow so Moria will just be coming back.

[Archangel]

The reason why Kuma's ability won't work on Moria because Moria can change places with his shadow so Moria will just be coming back.

...?

1) Kuma sends Moria to Hell

2) Moria exchanges places with his shadow

3) Kuma sends him to hell again

4) Both Moria and his shadow are now in hell

[Death BOO Z]

he can always transport his shadow back to him, so unless both him and his shadow are in the same place in some unlikely easily-avoidable situation, Kuma's air travel ability is pretty pointless.

[FireEmblem]

When did Moria say that he knew how Kuma's ability worked? Also, why would Luffy be thinking about amazon women? More importantly, why would Sanji be thinking about transvestites??

Besides, Sentoumaru already said that only Kuma knows where the destination lies.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/474/10-11/

I kinda took that to mean that he knew how it worked.

And what I meant was that the Strawhats were thinking of how to get stronger, so Kuma's ability automatically teleported them to the places where they would get stronger, but if it's true that he already knows their destinations before doing it, then that debunks my theory!

[Archangel]

he can always transport his shadow back to him, so unless both him and his shadow are in the same place in some unlikely easily-avoidable situation, Kuma's air travel ability is pretty pointless.

Did you see Kuma's speed? More importantly, did you see Moria's speed?

I always thought that Moria was one hell of a weak Shichibukai but opinions aside, he wouldn't last 5 second should Kuma be serious

[FireEmblem]

We know that Moria overdid it to his own demise though in Thriller Bark by consuming 1000 shadows. It wouldn't be too much to assume that he could take in 100 shadows with ease. Or if he was pickier with his shadows and was prepared for a fight of that caliber with Kuma, he would stand a better chance than what we saw in Thriller Bark.

[The Chancellor]

I know one thing. After this little production, Luffy's bounty is going to be easily be in the billions

[poopdeville]

Yeah right. People were saying that after Enies Lobby. The WG would rather just hide what happened than acknowledge that they can't stop him.

[Archangel]

I know one thing. After this little production, Luffy's bounty is going to be easily be in the billions

Probably more like something around the 500-700 mil

[Assertn]

Yeah right. People were saying that after Enies Lobby. The WG would rather just hide what happened than acknowledge that they can't stop him.
Luffy's bounty tripled after Enies Lobby.
I kinda forgot the details on the outcome. I know they hid some info about the incident, like the involvement of all the minor characters, but did they neglect to acknowledge Luffy as the chief offender?

[poopdeville]

They haven't said a word about Enies Lobby to the public (that we know of). This is the most relevant page I have found in the manga.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/498/08/

Presumably, Shakky is talking about Water 7's newspaper reports. I make that assumption because she specifically says she is "well informed". Also, Justice Kidd speaks of Luffy's past/craziness in terms of rumors:

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/504/14/

There are basically two rumors he could be referring to, and only one is as crazy as punching a Tenryubito.

[The Chancellor]

did they neglect to acknowledge Luffy as the chief offender? I wouldn't blame Oda for making it seem that way. There are so many other people casuing equal havoc on par with him.