TV: Breaking Bad

[Xrlderek]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8110/breakingbadl.jpg

Anyone else watching this?

It is about a high school chemistry teacher who decides to cook crystal meth. He is "breaking bad". There is lots of drama, some humor(sometimes a lot) and the characters are all great. It is currently in its second season, the first season only had 7 episodes. The current episode is season two episode 9. It airs on sundays.

[Munsu]

From what I've seen, everyone seems to like it. I watched a bit of the first episode and it didn't interest me much. Might give it another try some other time.

[Xrlderek]

It starts slow, it does get much better as soon as the second episode.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

The whole show is slow, slower than anything Ive ever watched probably. Whatever that means... but it definitely makes up for it with great performances and its story is always incredibly good. Each episode is a work of art in itself, takes a while to get through but at the end you really appreciate the whole ep

Good show to sit down, smoke, and watch though. Gonna see how it is sober pretty soon since I just quit. Probly gonna be kinda rough to get through with all the drug talk :P

[Assassin]

man, this show can be so trippy sometimes....for instance, the final scene of the latest ep. Those that are caught up will know what im talking about....i was slightly inebriated when i saw that, and i was like, "what..the...fuck"

[Xrlderek]

Yes, I was shocked. I have no idea what will happen now.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

I watched it this morning... great episode, but what happened at the end that was so groundbreaking? My memory escapes me at the moment.

[Stitch]

Anyone got a good torrent for the first season?

[Assassin]

you can stream it or ddl it here: http://www.ninjavideo.net/cat/28

Or if you insist on a torrent, heres a few (http://www.torrentz.com/5d48659fa3eafab84eaa0cd10ca63779a634d413)

[Xrlderek]

Just saw the season finale. I like how they weave everything together. One thing I like a lot is the good acting the lesser important characters do. Good thing the show has been confirmed for a third season.

[Sapphire]

Watching episode 1 now. =D

This sort of reminds me of Weeds. I need to finish the latest season of that..

[Assassin]

the last season of weeds was kind of fucked up....this is like weeds, but a drama rather then a comedy.

[Sapphire]

Isohunt is a good place to get the torrents for this show, season one is here (http://isohunt.com/download/71056469/breaking+bad.torrent) with lots of seeds.

I'm on episode three and I have to say this is pretty awesome! I love that feeling of "OH SHITTTT THEY'RE SOOOO SCREWED!!" and then seeing them manage to find a way to solve their problem, usually the hard anti-moralistic way. I'm also doubly glad that I wore gloves whenever handling HF in lab. :p

[rockmanj]

Just saw seasons 1 and 2. This is now one of my favorite shows, but damn, Skylar is a bitch!

[Sapphire]

The main character is awesome. He was the dad from Malcolm in the Middle, and he voice acted for various anime back in the day:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=3037

[Xrlderek]

Two episodes of the new season are out. Loved what Jesse did hahaha. Seems like walter is going "fuck you I'm taking my family back". Didn't quite understand the connection between those two guys and pollos(?), not sure if they work for him or if they just have enough respect for him to do as he says.

[Sapphire]

They are out already?! Oh HELL yeah! I can't wait to see the morpheus looking manager either!!!

[Xrlderek]

Anyone seen the latest episode yet? Good stuff.

[Xrlderek]

Last episode was insanely good.. wow.. Spoilers:



Hank is awesome, Walt and Jesse back together.. good stuff imo.. his wife is still a bitch though.

[Sapphire]

Holy fucking shit. Hanks prolly still alive though. :(

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

its abouttttttime walt and jesse started the dream team back up. Im glad I watched the 2 seasons building up to this it was well worth it.

you don like hank?! he's the only one with any sense of morals like his actor said at the end. he'll be back and im glad, i love the character. except for when he punched in my boy jesse's face I thought jesse was dead and I was literally yelling at the tv

[Sapphire]

Downloading the latest episode now.

I have a feeling that Hank will live. I don't know why, but at least if he died Heisenberg's wife couldn't blame it on Heisenberg since the dead mexican guys are right next to him. I don't like (the character) Hank because I feel like he puts up a front. Not that he feels superior or anything, but that he always wants to be buddy buddy and jovial with everyone when he isn't. I am neutral towards his job choice, and even somewhat sympathize with his slow disintegration into violence and treachery in order to catch Jessie.

At first I thought that Morpheus simply tried to give Heisenberg three months in order to train Heisenberg's successor. But I like that Morpheus exceeded my expectations and was simply stalling for time in order to save Heisenberg's life.

Heisenberg was smart in making Jessie his partner again, but I feel sorry for his old partner. I feel like somehow Heisenberg will be punished for this wrongful firing. Like it will come back to bite him.

I thought that Jessie's monologues in the last episode were very moving. Now that we know that Jessie's product is indeed as good as Heisenberg's (unless Heisenberg was just manipulating him) I am looking forward to seeing Jessie evolve into a more mature and in control individual. We already saw this when he decided to play smarter on the streets when he got out of rehab, even though he was stupid in leading Hank to the trailer.

My favorite thing about first season vs. second season was seeing Heisenberg go from being a total pussy chem teacher to holding a bag of money, blowing shit up to threaten gang bosses... and being... well, Heisenberg. I hope to see Jessie undergo a similar badass transformation. While all of Jessie's development has been a somewhat forced result of his stupidity, I am hoping that this punch in the face was a catalyst for a different sort of growth into badassness.

[The Heretic Azazel]

DAMN WALT!! DAMN WALT!!

He's past the point of return now. Don't forget to watch the season finale next Sunday!

[Assassin]

Siiiick

I really thought walt was gonna rat on jesse, but in the end he had balls.

[The Heretic Azazel]

Victor shooting that guy through the wall was the best thing ever.

[Assassin]

ya, i loved how he used the asian guy to get his target spot on lol.

[Uchiha Barles]

I find it unbelievable that this show has so little discussion. Just a heads up, the first episode of season five (the final season) airs this Sunday at 9pm on AMC. After last season's ending, I cannot wait.

[Uchiha Barles]

Since it aired, it's ok to start a discussion about this, but if you have not seen episode 1 of season 5, then I strongly suggest that you avoid this post and all that follow it like the plague.

Alright, this season is going to be absolutely insane. In case you missed the hints about the direction Walt has fully embraced last season, it's crystal clear as of episode 1 of this season. Walt is through with ANY level bullshit and is sinister as hell...evil even. While it is quite entertaining to watch his new found confidence and air of just not giving a fuck, realistically speaking he should probably watch himself a bit. No doubt he's earned some level of machismo, but other than his wits and Jesse, he's still alone and without connections. Mike on the other hand, has a gun still, and probably still has connections. If he really wants Walt dead, he could still make that happen given that he's willing to off Jesse. To Walt's credit, he did manage to forge Jesse into a willing shield, which is (obviously) why Mike hasn't shot him.

Of even greater concern is Tyrus - the black dude that replaced Victor last season and escorted Gus to the nursing home where he got face-offed. The news reports mentioned 2 people dead in the explosion, Gus and old man Hector. Tyrus was there as well but there was no mention of him in the reports. I remember speaking to some friends of mine at the end of last season concerning that scene, and one of them mentioned that Tyrus was in a good position to duck into the bathroom and shut the door to avoid the worst of that explosion...given that he noticed what was about to happen early enough. It looks like that's exactly what happened. He'd then be able to hop out the back window and make a getaway. I don't think Tyrus is going to be Walt's ally at all, considering that bomb nearly took him out along with Gus. Not to mention that he did seem loyal, and unlike Mike, I don't think Tyrus gives a shit about Jessy.

Then, there are the doctors that took care of Gus and Mike in the deserts of Mexico/Southern U.S. I can't imagine that the people I've mentioned are the only ones left who know of Walt. His identity is definitely out there. To make matters worse, far worse, there's a power vacuum left by Gus' death. Gus was THE major regional distributor of meth (and maybe other stuff too...can't remember.) With him gone, you better believe others are going to want to come in or expand into this newly opened market and vie for supremacy. Knowledge of Walt's skills as a cook is also something that I'm sure is out there.

All this to say that, even if Walt wanted out of the drug business, I don't think he could get out. Luckily for him, it doesn't look like he's even thinking of that as an option.

[Raven]

Surprised there's not more discussion about this great, great show. I'm a bit sad that we've only got a couple more episodes before another long wait, but at the same time I don't mind so much because it's something to look forward to.

Walt has no reason to be sympathized with any more. He's one bad dude now.

[Uchiha Barles]

Oh yeah, redemption at this point seems...pffft. This last episode in particular spelled it out for us. He won't take 5 million dollars to get out of the game. I was honestly expecting him to be unable to get out, not unwilling to get out. He also didn't really give a shit about the dead kid. That scene with him whistling as he got back to business after sending Jesse home was kind of funny.

I blame Skyler for pushing him over the edge btw. She wants to be afraid of Walt for the things he *had* to do on account of her spending money on Ted Beneke. No love or moral support, just fear and death wishing. I'm convinced that the real reason she picked up smoking again is to try and help his cancer along. She seems to make it a point to pull out a cigarette anytime they're around each other.

Now, it's just a matter of seeing how this ends. Does Walt die, or does he become a badass kingpin?

[Raven]

Oh there's no doubt in my mind he'll get his comeuppance. Whether it's in death or legal consequence, who knows. Hank probably has to catch him eventually otherwise his character would have been a bit pointless. But I suppose Walt can be caught and also die, they're not mutually exclusive.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Mike!!! NoooooO!!!!!!


"Shut the fuck up, just let me die in peace"

best quote of the series to date.....


.....other than "Yo bitch!" of course.

[Raven]

What about (also from this ep):

"You're Eisenberg."
"You're god-damned right."

or whatever it was. :D

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Oh shit, yeah. That did made me giddy like a school girl with a vibrator on full blast.

[rockmanj]

Jesus, Walt's hubris is WAY out of control now. I don't think what he did to Mike will bring him back from the brink either. What else does he have?

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

But he was clearly still broken up about it... the instant he did it. And even as he was doing it. Then when he realized he didn't have to he was nearly in tears. He's yet to entirely break that infamous bad.

[Raven]

I didn't take it as him being upset about killing him, but rather that he didn't need to do it because he could have gathered the info he wanted elsewhere. To me it was more like "oh crap, sorry about that Mike, didn't really need to do it".

[rockmanj]

I didn't take it as him being upset about killing him, but rather that he didn't need to do it because he could have gathered the info he wanted elsewhere. To me it was more like "oh crap, sorry about that Mike, didn't really need to do it".

That is how I felt about it as well, with maybe a small twinge of regret. He literally has nothing left in his life but cooking meth. The thing that kind of irks me is that at first Skyler was shocked, then embraced the money and was more than willing to help Walt launder money, but now she seems to act like she had nothing to do with how Walt made his money. Yes, he is horrible to her, but I don't know how bad I feel for her.

[UChessmaster]

1 more episode! then we wait a year...

[Archangel]

1 more episode! then we wait a year...
Awww shit! Seriously?

American shows are too fucking short yo.

[UChessmaster]

It was suposed to be 12 episodes and then the show`s over, but they decided to do 18 instead, but divided the season in 2... half this year and the other half the next year.

[Archangel]

Over as in over or as in the season is over?

[UChessmaster]

Over as in over.

[Uchiha Barles]

You know...this is the first time I've ever wanted Walt dead. Right now, I hope he catches cancer again and dies slow enough to watch his "empire" crumble.

[Uchiha Barles]

Ladies and gentlemen, do not, I repeat, do not go to fucking prison. Hooooooly shit! Those stab wounds happened so fast, you couldn't even really count them as they were happening, you could only estimate the rate at which the bodies became covered in wounds in terms of (% covered)/time.

I'm gonna go ahead and give Jesse some Kudos, because he was soooooooo ready to take Walt out, and he played it cool like a motherfucker. That kind of work still clearly is not in his nature, but yo bitch, if you're there to take a shot, get ready to rumble. And that ending, made me incredibly happy. I don't care that he's out, he fucking killed Mike. In hindsight, he might've needed to kill him regardless. Like Lydia said, Mike would not have taken kindly to Walt killing all his men in prison. I can't wait to see him go down in flames for this.

[UChessmaster]

Dat ending!

[Archangel]

Dat ending!
Not big enough

DAT ENDING!


Shit's about to get incredibly real.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

Not big enough

DAT ENDING!


Shit's about to get incredibly real.

In about 9 months.

[rockmanj]

Well, to be fair, Mike was a criminal as well. In fact, this show is kind of amazing in that the audience actively cheers for such bad people. Bryan Cranston says something of the sort on a Marc Maron interview.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

A lot of it has to do with how they deal with the situations. If they anguish over killing someone like Jesse did forever after killing that poor sweet man. I think that 2 minute prison massacre is one of the more interesting scenes. Not just the mass shanking parts.... but the cutting back to Walt in his dimly lit during the daytime house.

High five for referencing WTF with Marc Maron. Two-handed high five if you heard the interview when it first came out a year ago.

[TwisT]

I just marathoned this show. Had decided to watch this one after i finished Sopranos. After watching like 2 episodes i just couldn't stop. Took me 1 week to catch up. I guess that's the one of good things about short seasons.

Anyways what an incredible journey it has been. From chemistry teacher, to scared shitless cook that deals with Tuco, Gus and others like them, to fucking Empire-man that orders 9 deaths in less then 2 min.

And how it ended. Walt says he's out (I'm guessing that he realized Skyler was right) and that's when Hank starts to connect the dots.

So when it returns, will it be 8 episodes like now? And it's certain that this will be the last season and they are going for an ending?

[Dalmore]

Look at that look!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsqdmqRgrIc


Watch Breaking Bad.

BB is on Sundays

[Archangel]

And that post was in April.

[Animeniax]

Surprised there's not more discussion about this great, great show. I'm a bit sad that we've only got a couple more episodes before another long wait, but at the same time I don't mind so much because it's something to look forward to.

Walt has no reason to be sympathized with any more. He's one bad dude now.
I keep trying to find a reason to sympathize with Walt, and I think it's his brush with death that is the reason to forgive him. I don't think any of us can really judge someone who's come that close to death and felt like life is a big disappointment. Also, everyone he's killed was a criminal or evil person too (I can't remember if he's killed anyone who could be considered innocent, but I don't think there were any).

@Uchiha Barles: you mentioned Tyrus but no one ever responded, though you've maybe found out by now. The news report said 3 people died, so Tyrus is definitely dead, especially considering his position to the blast.

[Uchiha Barles]

Oh really? I don't know why I heard 2...was pretty sure I even went back and checked. Probably misinterpreted something then. Well, no Tyrus, but he's still in an outhouse after diarrhea without toilet paper. Also, fuck that, Mike may have been a criminal, but he wasn't a horrible person. He had honor and only ever killed if he needed to. His actions were measured in all things and you can respect him as a man, and count him honorable, even if his job was illegal.

Walt killing him for the reason he killed him, was a piece of shit move. I don't think he even thought he needed to kill Mike, he did it cuz he was pissed. Jesse leaving him as a partner, his wife wishing cancer on him, all of those things weighed on him, and then he did what he did.

[Animeniax]

Yeah I remember wondering what if someone survived that blast, but it was pretty horrific if you looked into the room as Fring walks out and keels over. I just checked again and they definitely report 3 dead (ep 13 of season 4, the family is sitting around the TV watching the news report just as Skylar calls Walt, the reporter says 3 dead).

Like Rockmanj said, it's weird how we're rooting for some pretty terrible people. Mike is no saint. He was a man of principle and honor, I'll agree with you there, but principle and honor can lead you to do some evil stuff.

I think Walt killed Mike because Walt feels like he's the boss and no one better mess with him or challenge him. He just saved Mike's neck by warning him, so he feels even more upset that Mike won't even thank him or do as he asks (give him the names). You can tell by his remorse for killing Mike that he'll be really torn up if/when he kills Jesse.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

I got pissed at him for killing Mike even tho I saw it coming, but mainly because of the aftermath how he didn't even need to kill him. Well he still technically did need to or Mike would be trying to kill Walt for going after his men in prison. Soo idk I'm not suddenly against Walt for that. As much as I liked Mike.


But if he does ever kill Jesse, thats my breaking point for him. Then I have zero sympathies left.

[rockmanj]

I feel that Jesse may be the one that Walt has to run from when he was in N.H. I feel that Jesse will find out that Walt poisoned that one kid and let Jane die.

[Archangel]

If this all ends badly for Walter I'm sure that Jesse will be the one pulling the trigger.

[Animeniax]

What about all those teasers at the beginning of episodes in season 2, where they're fishing evidence out of the pool and putting things in evidence bags, including Walt's glasses? And then they show two body bags, one the size of Walt and one shorter for Jesse?

I don't think there's any way for Walt to walk away from this clean and free after all that he's done, which means he dies. This is like House where he gets away because deep down he meant well.

[Archangel]

What about all those teasers at the beginning of episodes in season 2, where they're fishing evidence out of the pool and putting things in evidence bags, including Walt's glasses? And then they show two body bags, one the size of Walt and one shorter for Jesse?

I don't think there's any way for Walt to walk away from this clean and free after all that he's done, which means he dies. This is like House where he gets away because deep down he meant well.
... those were victims of the plain crash. How slow are you?

[Animeniax]

... those were victims of the plain crash. How slow are you?

So all the stuff they fished out of the pool and placed in evidence bags was from the plane crash? Why did they linger on the final item, a pair of eyeglasses that look a lot like the ones Walt wears? I figured it was a prelude to events down the road.

[Archangel]

So all the stuff they fished out of the pool and placed in evidence bags was from the plane crash? Why did they linger on the final item, a pair of eyeglasses that look a lot like the ones Walt wears? I figured it was a prelude to events down the road.
Because the whole thing was a red herring you dumbass :/

[Animeniax]

You don't know that. You're basing that on what, all the other episodes where they show prologue material to start the episode? It's very well possible that the show ends with Walt and Jesse dead at Walt's home. The White residence is central to the story, so it'd be a fitting place for it too all come to an end.

And I think Walt and Jesse's deaths are inevitable... they're both terrible people who have done some evil stuff that can't be excused.

[UChessmaster]

Jesse isn`t that evil :/

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

If jesse goes down too I'll be shocked.


And if he's the one to go after walt I'll be less shocked... but still shocked.

[Animeniax]

Jesse isn`t that evil :/

Maybe not by nature, but he's done some very evil things like multiple murders, including shooting Gale in the face. He may have a soft spot for kids and women, but he's every bit as dangerous as Walt, since he can be used and controlled into committing heinous acts, but without the excuse of facing death or ego like Walt has.

[kyubisrage]

You don't know that. You're basing that on what, all the other episodes where they show prologue material to start the episode? It's very well possible that the show ends with Walt and Jesse dead at Walt's home. The White residence is central to the story, so it'd be a fitting place for it too all come to an end.

And I think Walt and Jesse's deaths are inevitable... they're both terrible people who have done some evil stuff that can't be excused.

Remember the floating Eye scene from the stuffed animal.... Ya the one that fell from the plane? That was all connected to this those scenes

[Animeniax]

Remember the floating Eye scene from the stuffed animal.... Ya the one that fell from the plane? That was all connected to this those scenes

That does make sense, though that is a shit ton of stuff fished out of his pool from a plane crash. I guess having them placed in evidence bags was a red herring like Archie said. I kind of marathoned the series so I thought the scenes were foreshadowing future events.

edit: if those two bodies in the body bags were also plane crash victims, they really downplayed that. Having two corpses land in your pool might warrant more development. That's why I think it's a prelude to the finale of the series, not related to the plane crash.

[UChessmaster]

Maybe not by nature, but he's done some very evil things like multiple murders, including shooting Gail in the face. He may have a soft spot for kids and women, but he's every bit as dangerous as Walt, since he can be used and controlled into committing heinous acts, but without the excuse of facing death or ego like Walt has.

Who did he killed besides Gale?

[Animeniax]

Who did he killed besides Gale?

He killed one of the Mexican bodyguards while helping Mike and Gus flee. But he is also responsible for the 2 drug dealers that Walt killed, because he went at them with a gun and would have died if Walt hadn't intervened.

[Archangel]

The Mexican bodyguard that was shooting at him and the drug dealers who killed a kid? Yeah, Jesse is an asshole.

[Animeniax]

Thing is we have laws in this country (even Mexico has laws) against vigilantism and murder. The Mexican bodyguard was doing his job. According to you, people should be able to shoot at police for shooting at them, with no moral qualms.

And you're still conveniently forgiving him for shooting Gale in the face, and that he's a drug dealer (also kills kids) and drug manufacturer.

[Archangel]

I haven't forgiven him for anything, even ignoring all else he is a drug dealer pushing a very dangerous and rightfully illegal drug and should be punished accordingly.

You on the other hand are pointing out what are probably the most excusable and understandable of his misdeeds.

TL;DR: You're seriously fucking bad at proving your points.

[Animeniax]

Umm dude asked "who else did he kill," to which I answered (sans judgement) by listing the other folks he has killed. Then you try to change the subject.

Jesse is a bad guy. In many ways, worse than Walt. If anyone deserves to die, it's Jesse.

[kyubisrage]

That does make sense, though that is a shit ton of stuff fished out of his pool from a plane crash. I guess having them placed in evidence bags was a red herring like Archie said. I kind of marathoned the series so I thought the scenes were foreshadowing future events.

edit: if those two bodies in the body bags were also plane crash victims, they really downplayed that. Having two corpses land in your pool might warrant more development. That's why I think it's a prelude to the finale of the series, not related to the plane crash.


They didn't downplay anything... Watch the episode ( i think the following season episode 1) the news reports explain body parts falling from the sky and obviously people......

[Animeniax]

They didn't downplay anything... Watch the episode ( i think the following season episode 1) the news reports explain body parts falling from the sky and obviously people......

They downplayed the effect on Walt and the family. I think the only possible reference to it was Walt's broken windshield and the temper tantrum he had with the police the resulted in him getting maced. But his windshield had already been broken from other events and Walt was in a bad mood from other events. So you couldn't even say he was upset because bodies and body parts landed in his pool.

[kyubisrage]

They downplayed the effect on Walt and the family. I think the only possible reference to it was Walt's broken windshield and the temper tantrum he had with the police the resulted in him getting maced. But his windshield had already been broken from other events and Walt was in a bad mood from other events. So you couldn't even say he was upset because bodies and body parts landed in his pool.

Also consider that he doesn't have that car anymore so no it was in reference to that seasons ending and not hinting at something that is yet to come.

[Animeniax]

Also consider that he doesn't have that car anymore so no it was in reference to that seasons ending and not hinting at something that is yet to come.

Fair enough, he did get rid of the Aztek and yet it appears next to those 2 body bags. Still, they really downplayed how much that affected Walt and family, having bodies land in your yard from a plane explosion.

So what do you all think Hank will do with what he's learned in the latest episode of season 8? If he acts on it, he ruins family and his career. But he's a lawman by nature so if he doesn't act on it, he'd just hate himself for the rest of his life.

[rockmanj]

Fair enough, he did get rid of the Aztek and yet it appears next to those 2 body bags. Still, they really downplayed how much that affected Walt and family, having bodies land in your yard from a plane explosion.

So what do you all think Hank will do with what he's learned in the latest episode of season 8? If he acts on it, he ruins family and his career. But he's a lawman by nature so if he doesn't act on it, he'd just hate himself for the rest of his life.

The thing is, he also benefited from drug money, so he is in a legally sticky situation himself (remember, Walt paid for his rehab). Also, if he goes after Walt, it could ruin the lives of his niece and nephew. I am sure there will be hell to pay, but I don't think it will be as clear cut as the two things you just laid out. He may have to get extralegal or something. Basically, it looks like the White-Schrader family will be screwed either way.

[Animeniax]

The thing is, he also benefited from drug money, so he is in a legally sticky situation himself (remember, Walt paid for his rehab). Also, if he goes after Walt, it could ruin the lives of his niece and nephew. I am sure there will be hell to pay, but I don't think it will be as clear cut as the two things you just laid out. He may have to get extralegal or something. Basically, it looks like the White-Schrader family will be screwed either way.Ahh, I hadn't considered that angle (marathoning series sometimes means you miss out on angles like that). Plus, is Hank really a lawman by nature? Does he really believe in the law and upholding it at all costs, or is it just a livelihood for him? I think he's screwed no matter what, same as his boss for not realizing Fring was a criminal. Of course, I'm typing this on the fly and not really thinking that hard about it, so I'm sure there will be other considerations and problems for him to figure out. Great series.

[rockmanj]

Ahh, I hadn't considered that angle (marathoning series sometimes means you miss out on angles like that). Plus, is Hank really a lawman by nature? Does he really believe in the law and upholding it at all costs, or is it just a livelihood for him? I think he's screwed no matter what, same as his boss for not realizing Fring was a criminal. Of course, I'm typing this on the fly and not really thinking that hard about it, so I'm sure there will be other considerations and problems for him to figure out. Great series.

I think Hank is a natural lawman, not an administrator. I think that is why he was having all those issues this season, since he is used to actually being a detective and sniffing out leads. Remember how grumpy he was when he couldn't work? Something just came to me as well but I am not sure where I'm going with it. Hank was obsessed with those minerals when he was bedridden...most of them having crystalline structures, or am I wrong? That seems like some sort of foreshadowing. Or maybe it just tied in with his relentless pursuit of the meth kingpin.

[Animeniax]

I think Hank is a natural lawman, not an administrator. I think that is why he was having all those issues this season, since he is used to actually being a detective and sniffing out leads. Remember how grumpy he was when he couldn't work? Something just came to me as well but I am not sure where I'm going with it. Hank was obsessed with those minerals when he was bedridden...most of them having crystalline structures, or am I wrong? That seems like some sort of foreshadowing. Or maybe it just tied in with his relentless pursuit of the meth kingpin.

Yeah that might be another angle, though the series did have some possible foreshadowing events and leads that went nowhere and were just filler or red herrings. I can't believe we have to wait until summer to see how this concludes.

[Paper]

What about all those teasers at the beginning of episodes in season 2, where they're fishing evidence out of the pool and putting things in evidence bags, including Walt's glasses? And then they show two body bags, one the size of Walt and one shorter for Jesse?

I don't think there's any way for Walt to walk away from this clean and free after all that he's done, which means he dies. This is like House where he gets away because deep down he meant well.

That had to do with the time the plane crashed and everything including bodies fell from the sky into walt's pool ... I believe one of the bodies fell unto his car hence telling the officer that it was raining bodies when he got that ticket which lead him to spaze out and get locked up. I love breaking bad, only show on tv that had me rooting for the bad guys and hating the good guys

[Animeniax]

That had to do with the time the plane crashed and everything including bodies fell from the sky into walt's pool ... I believe one of the bodies fell unto his car hence telling the officer that it was raining bodies when he got that ticket which lead him to spaze out and get locked up. I love breaking bad, only show on tv that had me rooting for the bad guys and hating the good guys

Yeah that makes sense. At the time I was watching the episodes so fast and not fully understanding the nature of the series that I thought it was foreshadowing their deaths. But when Walt got pulled over, he didn't mention that bodies landed on his house. He did say stuff from the crash landed everywhere, but I thought it was a cover story to get out of the ticket, considering he had his windshield busted before from running over those two drug dealers (or did that happen after?).

[Paper]

Yeah that makes sense. At the time I was watching the episodes so fast and not fully understanding the nature of the series that I thought it was foreshadowing their deaths. But when Walt got pulled over, he didn't mention that bodies landed on his house. He did say stuff from the crash landed everywhere, but I thought it was a cover story to get out of the ticket, considering he had his windshield busted before from running over those two drug dealers (or did that happen after?).

Yeah I believe the windshield got busted again after the run in with two dealers during the Pollo Gus season. That car went through some shit .

[Uchiha Barles]

Fun little compilation of every profanity ever uttered by the characters who matter:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/every-time-jesse-pinkman-says-bitch-in-breaking

[UChessmaster]

Back to cooking on August 11th.

[Archangel]

Back to cooking on August 11th.
I fucking hate you Americans and your weird tv schedules. I want more now

[Animeniax]

Dang, they weren't kidding when they said summer. That's almost the fall.

[Archangel]

Typical Hank, he was never one for pleasantries. That and Jesse going full retard again, if Walt had found any other partner his whole life would probably be a whole less messy right now.

[Animeniax]

Typical Hank, he was never one for pleasantries. That and Jesse going full retard again, if Walt had found any other partner his whole life would probably be a whole less messy right now.

Yeah but then the series wouldn't be quite as interesting if not for the massive waste of a life that is Jesse Pinkman. I don't like that they've got him all emo but I guess that's his character, a lost soul who tries to mask his pain with drugs.

I'm surprised at Hank's reaction, though I wonder if it's more because he was fooled or because he actually thinks Walt is a "monster". From what I've seen of lawmen, they don't get too upset if a bad guy gets killed, and Walt killed a lot of bad guys.

[Munsu]

Just marathoned all episodes, and this show is simply awesome.

[Animeniax]

That's pretty tough to do, marathoning this series. I found it had this necrotic effect on my mood and just made me feel progressively worse about humanity. But it is an awesome series.

[Sapphire]

I like how Hank and what's her face totally gave Skylar the benefit of the doubt at first. Skylar was a dumb beeyotch as usual, she could have totally played dumb, but NOOOO she had to basically tell everyone (through her held back sobs) that W.W. is really Walt.

I'll send her to Beliz.

[UChessmaster]

How could she play dumb? it was clear she was in it as well if you think about it for 3 seconds.

[Sapphire]

The only thing Hank had was a notebook with similar handwriting and a conjecture. Hank's wife didn't WANT to believe it and if Skylar was half as good an actor as she was with the whole "gambling" story, she would have got home... maybe not scott free, but without getting bitch slapped and having a baby kidnapping nearly take place.

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I'm chuckling about the posts I wrote in back 2010 about Jesse's growth and development. Ironic, since now he's totally broken. :(

[UChessmaster]

Well, you`ll have to excuse her for not being able to bullshit her way out of an intensely stressful situation each and every time. Yeah, Hank only had the notebook and this little fact called "knowing that Walt is Heisenberg".

[Animeniax]

Yeah I think you're being too hard on Skylar too, Sapphy. If she had done the smart thing, she would have talked to Walt before talking to Hank, but we don't know what Hank told her to get her to come see him without conferring with Walt.

@Uchess: like they've said a few times in the show, what Hank has are "suspicions," no hard evidence. He probably has enough to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt, but he's also thinking about his career in law enforcement and how this case will end it, so he might be buying time for that as well.

[UChessmaster]

He has circumstantial evidence, but he KNOWS Walter is Heisenberg as shown in his confrontation in the garage. I`m sure he didn`t tell Marie "I think WW = HS", and instead he said "I know WW = HS". Marie didn`t believe it entirely and went to Skylar hoping for some monumentally epic explanation, at this point there isn`t much Skylar can do.

[Animeniax]

I guess it depends if you mean he knows it and can prove it (in court) or just "knows" it in his gut. Right now he can't prove it, and the confrontation in the garage was just him acting on a (strong) hunch.

I think Hank and Marie don't/can't see Skylar's full involvement in this and think she's just a victim of Walt's diabolical schemes. So when she balks at helping them and fleeing Walt with the kids, they're dumb-struck because they don't think she's as involved as she is.

[UChessmaster]

I guess it depends if you mean he knows it and can prove it (in court) or just "knows" it in his gut. Right now he can't prove it, and the confrontation in the garage was just him acting on a (strong) hunch.

I think Hank and Marie don't/can't see Skylar's full involvement in this and think she's just a victim of Walt's diabolical schemes. So when she balks at helping them and fleeing Walt with the kids, they're dumb-struck because they don't think she's as involved as she is.

Indeed, he can`t prove it, but he knows it. Speaking on the garage confrontation, remember how he also failed to explain himself yet no one complained about it?

If Hank knows about Walt (and he does), Skylar being in it as well would be a serious possibility he should have contemplated, one I`m sure he didn`t ignore. I`m certain he KNOWS about Skylar, he`s just hoping to get her out of the whole mess because she`s direct family to Marie and he needs her to get concrete evidence.

[Animeniax]

Indeed, he can`t prove it, but he knows it. Speaking on the garage confrontation, remember how he also failed to explain himself yet no one complained about it?

If Hank knows about Walt (and he does), Skylar being in it as well would be a serious possibility he should have contemplated, one I`m sure he didn`t ignore. I`m certain he KNOWS about Skylar, he`s just hoping to get her out of the whole mess because she`s direct family to Marie and he needs her to get concrete evidence.

Maybe, but Hank is pretty shaken up, so he might not think Skylar is fully involved or is deluding himself into thinking that. The family angle definitely plays a big part, as he stated that Marie is the most important person in the world to him (or something like that) so he wouldn't want to bring down Skylar. He even gave justifications for why she would have acted under duress, which might free her from legal responsibility for her actions.

[Animeniax]

Latest episode: WOW. Can't believe the balls on Walt with that confession video. He's got Hank by the balls now.

[UChessmaster]

I find the video hard to believe, outside the medical operation and PT, what has Hank done with the money exactly...? How will Walt explain that?

[Animeniax]

Swiss bank account? Hank has moved up pretty far in the DEA chain of command, and he's wily and intelligent. People would believe he is capable of this kind of manipulation. He has that nice house in a nice neighborhood. The biggest evidence is probably the $177k spent for his rehab.

[UChessmaster]

Well yeah, but I don`t mean where the money is but what has he done with the money. I`m certain his and his wife`s salary allows him to live in that house (as is the case). I find it hard to believe that Walter can somehow explain that Hank has an empire worth hundreds of millions of dollars and all he`s done with it is use 177,000$ for therapy he got from getting wounded from having such an empire in the first place.

[Animeniax]

I think the authorities would reason that Hank knows the system well enough to not live outside his means to avoid attracting attention. He could have all the money stored in a Swiss bank account, biding his time before he moves to a non-extradition country to live off his ill-gotten fortune. $177000 isn't chump change, it's a huge red flag.

[UChessmaster]

It is when you supposedly have hundreds of millions (if not billions). How does the Swiss bank account works exactly? Wouldn`t he have to go through the IRS first? If he can do what you say then you`re probably right then.

[Animeniax]

No, the Swiss don't usually cooperate with foreign authorities like the IRS, which is why the rich and criminal deposit their money in a Swiss bank account. The Swiss bankers protect the privacy of your bank information such as totals, transaction dates, etc. and they don't care where the money comes from.

[Archangel]

Dude i fucking hate Jessie

[UChessmaster]

Why is that?

[Archangel]

Because i really like Walt and he's always fucking with his perfect plans :3

Jesse is always the variable, i can see a finale where Walter is forced to kill him and that's what sends him over the edge.

[Animeniax]

That's funny because it's Walt that we should all hate. Whatever his reasons for all he's done, in the end there's no real justification for any of it.

Like I said before, without Jesse there to mess up Walt's perfect plans, this show wouldn't be half as entertaining. The fact that Walt can navigate the problems Jesse creates and still come away mostly scott free is why he's such a badass.

[Carnage]

That's funny because it's Walt that we should all hate. Whatever his reasons for all he's done, in the end there's no real justification for any of it.

Like I said before, without Jesse there to mess up Walt's perfect plans, this show wouldn't be half as entertaining. The fact that Walt can navigate the problems Jesse creates and still come away mostly scott free is why he's such a badass.

No doubt. I'm glad we have Jesse as a character because he's entertaining, but that doesn't mean he isn't a little bitch. I still think Jesse is guiltier than Walt for almost everything up until the little kid got shot in the desert. Last I watched seasons 1-5A was almost a year ago, but it seemed like Walt got into the most trouble trying to bail Jesse's ass. Even poisoning Brock wasn't lethal, and Walt had to resort to it because Jesse wouldn't help him in the first place even after saving his life.

[Sapphire]

Well this was an interesting place to end an episode. I can't see Hank and his friend not dying, though.

It looks like Jesse bounces. I guess the poison is for him?

The Jesse vs. Walt scene was pretty intense!

[Animeniax]

I'm not sure if I like this episode or where this series is heading in its final 3 episodes, particularly with the epilogue scenes with Walt visiting his trashed and vacant house to get the poison.

Also, what does the title to this latest episode have to do with what happened in the show? What does "to'hajiilee" refer to?

edit: found it: The episode's climax takes place at To'hajiilee, the Native American reservation where Walt buried his money and where he first cooked crystal meth.

[Carnage]

Holy shit this was the best episode of the series so far. I felt nothing for Jessie until they showed the picture of his ex and her son. Skylar was a cunt and got what she deserved. The Neo-Nazis are probably going to raid Walter's house for the confession tape I guess, I'm glad he's still looking to kick neo-nazi ass.

I really wish we learned more about grey-matter though.

[Animeniax]

That was an amazing episode. You can still see Walt's humanity as far as his family is concerned. He even condemned Jesse to death for endangering Walt's family.

I don't think the neo-Nazis are looking to attack Walt. At first I thought so too, but after watching it again all the stuff in the preview seems to be the DEA/feds looking at the White family for their roles in the disappearance of 2 federal agents. I think Walt is looking for revenge against the neo-Nazis for killing Hank and taking $70 million of his money.

I don't get your reference to grey-matter. What's that about?

[Carnage]

All the flashbacks to the company he founded with his ex and his friend. The show never went into great detail about that.

[Animeniax]

Oh right. I marathoned the series last summer so details like that didn't stick.

Can't believe there are only 2 episodes left. But hopefully this series ends when it's supposed to, instead of trying to linger to make money and ruining what is one of the best TV series ever.

[UChessmaster]

But hopefully this series ends when it's supposed to, instead of trying to linger to make money and ruining what is one of the best TV series ever.

Was always meant to end here.

Best.Episode. Ever!

[Animeniax]

Was always meant to end here.

Best.Episode. Ever!

Perhaps, but you have to believe that Vince Gilligan (show's creator/writer) has gotten a lot of offers to continue the series in some fashion. It's a ratings bonanza and there's money to be made. Score one for artistic integrity that he's ending the series like this.

[Sapphire]

Good episode.

However, all of the females in this show are all, ugh. SOOOOO emotional!

And the son sucks too! Walt didn't pull no knife on her! :<
I have a feeling Jesse will survive this.
I can't see Walt not knowing the police were listening. I am just chalking that phone call to him not giving a shit and wanting to hurt Skylar since he's about to die, anyway.

[Animeniax]

The women really did play a submissive supporting role throughout the series, and you can't expect them to behave any differently now that shit has hit the fan.

When he took his mom's side in the fight, I think Flynn was just coming to grips with the fact that everything he was told about Walt was probably true.

I think you misinterpreted the phone call Walt made. Watch it again, and remember every terrible thing he has done in this show was to protect his family.

[Sapphire]

That's what he likes to say, but I'm pretty sure it would have been fine to stop at 5-10 million or so. 80 million? For the empire.

The women weren't submissive, just busy whining and assuming the worst of everything. Though, Walt didn't explain what happened very well either.

[Carnage]

Animeniax is pointing out that Walt used the phone call to wipe Skylar's plate/involvement clean as far as the feds are concerned. He cried during the phone call because it pained him to pretend that he is as cruel as his image is, whereas in his genuine anger in the house he wasn't close to crying but lashing out.

Walt didn't have the time to explain, and probably would have had Skylar just waited until they were done packing.

[Sapphire]

Oh snaps! You're probably right.

Still hate the women, though! NOTHING CAN CHANGE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[UChessmaster]

Perhaps, but you have to believe that Vince Gilligan (show's creator/writer) has gotten a lot of offers to continue the series in some fashion. It's a ratings bonanza and there's money to be made. Score one for artistic integrity that he's ending the series like this.

It will continue, with a Sasul spin off.


I think you misinterpreted the phone call Walt made. Watch it again, and remember every terrible thing he has done in this show was to protect his family.

Inflate his ego*

[Animeniax]

That's what he likes to say, but I'm pretty sure it would have been fine to stop at 5-10 million or so. 80 million? For the empire.


Inflate his ego*

Both true, he did get a lot carried away with his fortune building. But at the core it was still for his family. Like Carnage said, he never really did explain to his family why he did what he did, that it was (mostly) all for them.

Remember also that he wasn't aware of how much money he had made until Skylar showed him the pile, at which point he stopped, and he didn't even know how much money was there.

[UChessmaster]

Both true, he did get a lot carried away with his fortune building. But at the core it was still for his family. Like Carnage said, he never really did explain to his family why he did what he did, that it was (mostly) all for them.

Remember also that he wasn't aware of how much money he had made until Skylar showed him the pile, at which point he stopped, and he didn't even know how much money was there.

He never had the need to get into the business in the first place, most of gray matter`s money is rightfully his and Eliot and Gretchen were more than happy to pay for everything. It was never a family thing, that was just a screen. Instead it was a pride and ego thing.

[Animeniax]

He never had the need to get into the business in the first place, most of gray matter`s money is rightfully his and Eliot and Gretchen were more than happy to pay for everything. It was never a family thing, that was just a screen. Instead it was a pride and ego thing.
They offered to cover his chemo and treatment, but that doesn't provide for his family or ensure their financial security if he didn't survive. Whether the money/invention is rightfully his or not, he has no legal right to it as far as I recall.

Yes a lot of this was ego, and he had other options than becoming a drug kingpin. Still, after everything that's happened, I think it's crazy to say the family angle was just a screen. I say it was his driving force, and his ego got in the way.

[UChessmaster]

They offered to cover his chemo and treatment, but that doesn't provide for his family or ensure their financial security if he didn't survive. Whether the money/invention is rightfully his or not, he has no legal right to it as far as I recall.

Yes a lot of this was ego, and he had other options than becoming a drug kingpin. Still, after everything that's happened, I think it's crazy to say the family angle was just a screen. I say it was his driving force, and his ego got in the way.

They had no legal obligation, but they were still 100% willing to pay for everything and more. He had zero need to do this, the whole family thing is how he convinced himself that what he was doing was remotely noble.

[Archangel]

Good episode.

However, all of the females in this show are all, ugh. SOOOOO emotional!

And the son sucks too! Walt didn't pull no knife on her! :<
I have a feeling Jesse will survive this.
I can't see Walt not knowing the police were listening. I am just chalking that phone call to him not giving a shit and wanting to hurt Skylar since he's about to die, anyway.
Jesus Christ this show is completely lost on you, it's like playing Mozart for chimps.

The episode itself was amazing, for a moment i thought they were going to continue the trend of the paralleling Walt and Gus' journey into a kingpin but if anything Hanks death seems to have brought Walter White back from within Heisenberg. And in the end i still find myself siding with him, even if the conclusion is all that really matters i wish his family at least knew a bit about the circumstances that led to it.

[Sapphire]

Jesus Christ this show is completely lost on you, it's like playing Mozart for chimps.

The episode itself was amazing, for a moment i thought they were going to continue the trend of the paralleling Walt and Gus' journey into a kingpin but if anything Hanks death seems to have brought Walter White back from within Heisenberg. And in the end i still find myself siding with him, even if the conclusion is all that really matters i wish his family at least knew a bit about the circumstances that led to it.

Let's no go crazy with rage because I don't sympathize with the characters, here.

Just because the characters are written brilliantly, doesn't mean I have to like them. Shouldn't you have grown out of ur "omg this show is so smart therefore u should like it if ur smart" phase? It's like you've seen nothing but shitty anime your whole life, the first cleverly written thing you see can endure no vitriol. (Remembering ur rage at me not liking Dexter despite it's amazing and groundbreaking nature vs. nurture themes)

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For example, I am well aware that the son probably midged the story a bit (on who pulled the knife on who) to get the cops to come faster. Or he is one of those guys who think that engaging in self-defense against a woman is bad because, it's, omg! attacking a woman. However, if he went through the whole show blindly believing in his dad, he could have given his dad the benefit of a doubt for 30 more minutes to let him explain what was going on. If my panicked dad (who I had no reason to disbelieve until 30 minutes ago) comes in covered in dirt and grime and says 'we need to get the fuck out of the house NOW, I'll explain later', I'll get out of the house so he can explain, not stand around being super dramatic.

@Ani: Check your wall, love.

[Animeniax]

Sorry Sapphy, but I think Arch is saying that you don't seem to understand peoples' motivations or nuances of their actions in this show. It might be the wrong kind of show for you, which isn't the worst thing. It'd be nice to be so innocent and naive about the evil of man.


They had no legal obligation, but they were still 100% willing to pay for everything and more. He had zero need to do this, the whole family thing is how he convinced himself that what he was doing was remotely noble.Yes they were willing to pay for his cancer treatment, but they didn't offer to take care of his family for the rest of their lives after Walt died. How long and to what extent would they take care of Walt's family? Would they pay for the kids' college and cover Skyler into retirement?

Regardless, what kind of man would take that kind of charity? He provides for his family and is a brilliant guy, but circumstances in life resulted in him being a high school chemistry teacher instead of a millionaire. We can call that ego, but it's standard male ego, not egomaniacal.

[UChessmaster]

Yes they were willing to pay for his cancer treatment, but they didn't offer to take care of his family for the rest of their lives after Walt died. How long and to what extent would they take care of Walt's family? Would they pay for the kids' college and cover Skyler into retirement?

If Walter died, do you honestly believe they would leave Skylar and the kids alone? I very much doubt it.I have no doubt they`d pay for college and whatever, it`s pocket money to them. Let`s review the context here, these two people have a lot of millions thanks entirely for Walter, they are infinitely thankful to him.


Regardless, what kind of man would take that kind of charity? He provides for his family and is a brilliant guy, but circumstances in life resulted in him being a high school chemistry teacher instead of a millionaire. We can call that ego, but it's standard male ego, not egomaniacal.

For family? Any man that truly loves his family would. Again, it is hardly charity.

[Animeniax]

If Walter died, do you honestly believe they would leave Skylar and the kids alone? I very much doubt it.I have no doubt they`d pay for college and whatever, it`s pocket money to them. Let`s review the context here, these two people have a lot of millions thanks entirely for Walter, they are infinitely thankful to him.I think you overestimate the charity they would give to Walter's family if he died (and this was never broached in the show). They offered to cover his medical expenses, that's all. You can't extrapolate that to say they'd take care of Walt's family, or even that they'd cut him in on their profits if he were to live. If I recall correctly from season 1, he gave up rights to the work and sold his interests to his partners. They did the rest of the work to make their millions.


For family? Any man that truly loves his family would. Again, it is hardly charity.I wish we lived in a world like you suggest, but we don't. My father loves our family but he struggled to accept welfare when they first came to the US in the 70s. He got off welfare as soon as possible (through legal means) because he hated the idea of it so much, the same as Walt refusing help to provide for his family.

[Carnage]

In addition to what Animeniax has pointed out, remember Walt's ego (not in a purely negative sense). Here we have a brilliant genius out of Caltech, smarter than 99.9% of the people around him, and society seems bankrupt to him because he stuck as an unappreciated high school teacher who can barely make ends meet when there are millions of people doing better who are both extremely less intelligent and ill mannered. Remember the asshole with the bmw at the bank/gas station? Seems like society fucked Walt over and he wanted to leave his kids something he built, something he deserved. You can argue that he isn't justified, but I'm somewhat confident this is the premise.

[UChessmaster]

I think you overestimate the charity they would give to Walter's family if he died (and this was never broached in the show). They offered to cover his medical expenses, that's all. You can't extrapolate that to say they'd take care of Walt's family, or even that they'd cut him in on their profits if he were to live. If I recall correctly from season 1, he gave up rights to the work and sold his interests to his partners. They did the rest of the work to make their millions.

You keep calling it charity... I do believe they would take care of his family, but I guess I`m alone in this one, in the end I don`t really have any solid evidence.


I wish we lived in a world like you suggest, but we don't. My father loves our family but he struggled to accept welfare when they first came to the US in the 70s. He got off welfare as soon as possible (through legal means) because he hated the idea of it so much, the same as Walt refusing help to provide for his family.

Are you saying your father`s pride was bigger than the well being of your family? And this is normal? Different countries, different values I guess.

[Animeniax]

You keep calling it charity... I do believe they would take care of his family, but I guess I`m alone in this one, in the end I don`t really have any solid evidence.I don't remember anything from the episodes that suggested they would go that far to help Walt. They are old friends and I think Walt was the wife's bf in college. Saving his life is one thing, but that's a stretch to think they'd support his family.


Are you saying your father`s pride was bigger than the well being of your family? And this is normal? Different countries, different values I guess.No because he did accept the welfare checks, but it hurt his pride to have to. What he'd prefer (almost to the point that it would be bad for the family) is the opportunity to make his own way with hard work and effort. I think Walt is the same. A man wants to provide for his family, not have someone else take care of them, especially because he can't. In some cultures not being able to do that is worse than death.

[Animeniax]

Let's no go crazy with rage because I don't sympathize with the characters, here.

Just because the characters are written brilliantly, doesn't mean I have to like them. Shouldn't you have grown out of ur "omg this show is so smart therefore u should like it if ur smart" phase? It's like you've seen nothing but shitty anime your whole life, the first cleverly written thing you see can endure no vitriol. (Remembering ur rage at me not liking Dexter despite it's amazing and groundbreaking nature vs. nurture themes)

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For example, I am well aware that the son probably midged the story a bit (on who pulled the knife on who) to get the cops to come faster. Or he is one of those guys who think that engaging in self-defense against a woman is bad because, it's, omg! attacking a woman. However, if he went through the whole show blindly believing in his dad, he could have given his dad the benefit of a doubt for 30 more minutes to let him explain what was going on. If my panicked dad (who I had no reason to disbelieve until 30 minutes ago) comes in covered in dirt and grime and says 'we need to get the fuck out of the house NOW, I'll explain later', I'll get out of the house so he can explain, not stand around being super dramatic.

@Ani: Check your wall, love.

It just seemed you missed the obvious intent of Walter's call to Skylar and the fact that he was crying and struggling to get through the call. You might have just been busy raging against the women or awe-struck by the events of the show to notice it. I didn't mean to be mean, was just a gut reaction post.

[poopdeville]

Animeniax is pointing out that Walt used the phone call to wipe Skylar's plate/involvement clean as far as the feds are concerned. He cried during the phone call because it pained him to pretend that he is as cruel as his image is, whereas in his genuine anger in the house he wasn't close to crying but lashing out.


If Walt knew the cops were on the line, he totally threw Skylar under the bus. He incriminated them both.

[Splash!]

I don't remember anything in that phone conversation that incriminated Skylar. He seemed very non-specific throughout the whole thing. He still does seem to care about his family and isn't a complete monster (but after all the shit he has pulled, that isn't saying alot).

I have been along for the ride since season 1, but I have to say that I myself never found the characters to be interesting or likeable in the least. I guess Walt is an exception in that he is at least interesting, even if he is a bad person. The only thing that has kept me in this is the plot itself, which is great. But often times I find myself skipping scenes just to find out what happens next, because I find the characters and dialogue are not as engaging.

[Animeniax]

If Walt knew the cops were on the line, he totally threw Skylar under the bus. He incriminated them both.
At first I thought maybe you misunderstood the call, but you might be on to something.

[enter internet over-analysis mode] Since the feds don't know the details of all this, they would assume Skylar's involvement is as strong as we know it is. Walt's statements could be used to incriminate her in his crimes. At best it will help convince Marie and maybe Flynn that Skylar is a victim, but how far will that go to protect her from the authorities?

At best, if the family chooses, the feds wouldn't need to find out what Hank and Gomez knew about Walt/Heisenberg. This could be just a domestic violence situation, with the disappearance of Hank and Gomez as an unrelated work-related matter. Of course, Flynn did say on his 911 call that he thought Walt had killed someone...

[UChessmaster]

Did Walt said anything specifically labeling Skylar as an accomplice? it sounded to me like he was trying to make it seem like she was an abused wife that had no saying or choice in the matter but had to participate because she was afraid of her husband.

[Carnage]

The tape on Walt's hand was a sign from the director/writer that he knows his call is being taped. There is no way Skylar was going to get off scott free. This call saved her from the worse portion of punishment.

[poopdeville]

Did Walt said anything specifically labeling Skylar as an accomplice? it sounded to me like he was trying to make it seem like she was an abused wife that had no saying or choice in the matter but had to participate because she was afraid of her husband.

"You knew. And you bitched and moaned and so on and so forth about how I make my money. It's illegal! It's immoral!" etc.

[Animeniax]

"You knew. And you bitched and moaned and so on and so forth about how I make my money. It's illegal! It's immoral!" etc.

But knowing doesn't prove involvement. Under the eyes of the law, she could have acted under duress of the threats against her and her family, which is a valid legal defense.

[Splash!]

"You knew. And you bitched and moaned and so on and so forth about how I make my money. It's illegal! It's immoral!" etc.

That is still a whole lot better than "You helped me setup and run a fake business to launder money". Then he also added the bit at the end about "You have no idea what I have had to do to get where I am" implying a certain level of ignorance on her part. Really, I doubt any Fed would believe that Skylar knew absolutely nothing whatsoever, but just being the wife that chose to look the other way is a lot less damning than a being a full blown accomplice.

[Animeniax]

That is still a whole lot better than "You helped me setup and run a fake business to launder money". Then he also added the bit at the end about "You have no idea what I have had to do to get where I am" implying a certain level of ignorance on her part. Really, I doubt any Fed would believe that Skylar knew absolutely nothing whatsoever, but just being the wife that chose to look the other way is a lot less damning than a being a full blown accomplice.
Even better for Skylar, she didn't simply look away (willful ignorance). Instead she was forced to be involved because of threats and coercion by Walt (acting under duress).

[Splash!]

Even better for Skylar, she didn't simply look away (willful ignorance). Instead she was forced to be involved because of threats and coercion by Walt (acting under duress).

Yeah but that's a tricky stance to take. Claiming that she were forced into being an accomplice would suggest that she knew more (in spite of being under duress). That opens her up to further questioning on the exact nature of her situation with Walt. I can't help but feel that somewhere down the line, she would expose herself.

However, she can use the duress argument for why she didn't straight up go to the police with her limited knowledge on Walt being involved in illegal activities.

[Animeniax]

Yeah but that's a tricky stance to take. Claiming that she were forced into being an accomplice would suggest that she knew more (in spite of being under duress). That opens her up to further questioning on the exact nature of her situation with Walt. I can't help but feel that somewhere down the line, she would expose herself.

However, she can use the duress argument for why she didn't straight up go to the police with her limited knowledge on Walt being involved in illegal activities.

She was only an accomplice to a degree. She was involved in the money laundering, but she could still claim she didn't know how the money wad made. But to be involved with that much money, it would be hard to claim ignorance and excuse inaction except to claim that Walt coerced her with threats.

With his call, Walt also shielded Skylar from being used as a pawn by the prosecution to try to get to him. If they felt she was important to Walt, they could threaten to press charges against her to make Walt cave. With the tone and message of the call, Walt has distanced himself from Skylar to anyone who didn't know their background.

[UChessmaster]

With his call, Walt also shielded Skylar from being used as a pawn by the prosecution to try to get to him. If they felt she was important to Walt, they could threaten to press charges against her to make Walt cave. With the tone and message of the call, Walt has distanced himself from Skylar to anyone who didn't know their background.

I thought husband and wife dont have to testify against each other in the first place.

[Splash!]

I think he meant the DEA/Cops/FBI using the threat of pressing charges against Skylar (for her direct involvement) to extort Walt into giving himself up. Because at this stage,Walt worrying about being in a courtroom with Skylar testifying against him is hardly something to be worried about (with him already dying of cancer).

[TwisT]

Husband and wife can't be made to testify against each other, and knowing about your spouses illegal activity and not reporting it is not an offence. Add to that, that Walt made it sound like she was living under threat and abuse, making her fear for her life and the childrens life (supported by the fact that Walt kidnapped his youngest as soon as she finally took a stand). She will walk away clean from it all as long as she plays along. If she promise to testify against Walt she will even go free even if she confesses to everything. Walt Jr. will even believe she was innocent and forced to go along with it.

[Animeniax]

The tape on Walt's hand was a sign from the director/writer that he knows his call is being taped. There is no way Skylar was going to get off scott free. This call saved her from the worse portion of punishment.

Did you read or see that somewhere? It definitely sounds plausible and is a clever way to add depth to the scene.

Everyone should also keep in mind that no one (still alive or who would talk to the feds) knows how much money Walt made except for Skylar. Saul and his boys know of 7 barrels loaded with cash, but with the limited info the feds have (unlike all the Hank had), they wouldn't know to pursue Saul and his handymen.

[Carnage]

Did you read or see that somewhere? It definitely sounds plausible and is a clever way to add depth to the scene.

Yeah I read it. At first I thought it was meant to tape his family back together (without him).

[UChessmaster]

The last two episodes are going to be 1.5 hours long.

[Animeniax]

I wonder why they chose to do that instead of making 3 more episodes. I think 1.5 hours of the crazy shit that will go down in these final episodes might be too much awesomeness that some of the awesome will get lost in the mix. It's kind of like the Super Bowl with all the pageantry and the commercials. Too much going on, so you miss some of the more nuanced greatness.

[Carnage]

Yeah I wouldnt be surprised if the episodes themselves weren't any longer and it was all commercials. This is probably the most watched event outside of the Superbowl I guess.

[UChessmaster]

75 minutes not counting commercials.

[Animeniax]

Your average hour long show is around 40 minutes of actual show, so 75 minutes is a lot of material for an hour and a half episode. Can't wait!

[UChessmaster]

To all those Skylar haters. (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html?_r=0)

Edit: About the episode, turns out it`s 75 minutes WITH commercials, actual episode will be about 6 mins longer than other episodes, oh well.

[Carnage]

To all those Skylar haters. (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html?_r=0)


Funny, she doesn't actually confront that actual situations that cause us to hate her character. I do feel bad for her as an actress though, must be stressful.

[UChessmaster]

Funny, she doesn't actually confront that actual situations that cause us to hate her character. I do feel bad for her as an actress though, must be stressful.

For example?

[Carnage]

For example?

It's difficult for me to recall most of it, because I marathoned the show a year ago. But for one example, she never addresses Skyler cheating with Ted.

[UChessmaster]

Considering she just found out Walt is a drug lord, fucking Ted was not anywhere near getting even. She should`ve fucked Walt Jr, Honk, Gomez, Gus, Mike, Tio Salamanca, Tuco`s body, Ted, Holly, The chair Walt sits to eat and THEN they`re even, maybe.

[Animeniax]

I think she already provided the reason there's so much hate for Skyler: she is Walt's foil. More so than Tuco, or Gus, or even Hank, she is the one that has stymied Walt since the beginning and to the end. She is the cause and drive for most of the struggles he's endured. Like she said, Skyler is the antagonist and Walt is the protagonist.

It's ridiculous that people would threaten the actress because they hate the character, but it should be some consolation that she did a great job of playing a character that affects people so deeply, even if it's with a negative emotion.


Edit: About the episode, turns out it`s 75 minutes WITH commercials, actual episode will be about 6 mins longer than other episodes, oh well. Yeah I noticed on my DVR that the show will be 75 minutes total. I think it ran long last week too.

[Carnage]

Considering she just found out Walt is a drug lord, fucking Ted was not anywhere near getting even. She should`ve fucked Walt Jr, Honk, Gomez, Gus, Mike, Tio Salamanca, Tuco`s body, Ted, Holly, The chair Walt sits to eat and THEN they`re even, maybe.

Uh, Walt didn't betray their marriage. He did what he could to provide for his family knowing they have little to nothing. A good reason to move the kids out of the house? Sure. A good reason to fuck Ted? No. The reason people hate her is because she's an ungrateful bitch. Sure Walt is doing something illegal, but he's not doing it for shits and giggles.

[Animeniax]

I can't remember, did Skyler sleep with Ted when she knew Walt was lying to her, but didn't know yet that he was a drug kingpin and death machine?

I wouldn't say she's an ungrateful person. To some, the ends do not justify the means, so regardless of the nobility of Walt's intent, his actions are a betrayal of their trust. Would you personally be able to live off money that you knew came from terrible sources?

[Carnage]

I wouldn't say she's an ungrateful person. To some, the ends do not justify the means, so regardless of the nobility of Walt's intent, his actions are a betrayal of their trust. Would you personally be able to live off money that you knew came from terrible sources?

That's why I said:



A good reason to move the kids out of the house? Sure. A good reason to fuck Ted? No.


It's not that she doesn't want anything to do with Walt, which any sane wife wouldn't. More so the her fuck-ups along the way as well as her attitude towards him. For example, not only did she fuck Ted, but she also gave him Walt's money. When he needed it most.

[lelouch]

Yo I can see the finale now:

Walt pays $10.3 million to a gang of street rats to obliterate Shwartz and his slut wife along with Todd and his redneck crew, come back to buttfuck Jesse and then kill him, and then leaves $567,750 (or however much he calculated in the beginning of the show) for his kids. Then he turns himself in, but right before they can handcuff him, he dies from cancer. PoPo never caught the Heisenberg.

ALL HAIL THE KING

[UChessmaster]

Uh, Walt didn't betray their marriage.

Yes, he did. His gazillion lies were a betrayal to her trust.


He did what he could to provide for his family knowing they have little to nothing.

And kept going even after he had no need for it, what a hero.


A good reason to move the kids out of the house? Sure. A good reason to fuck Ted? No.

Already addressed in the getting even part. But just for fun, look at what the other family members did when they found out, Hank and Marie tried to straight up uncover him, which is way worse than having sex with some dude, Jr. immediately sided with Skylar, but no one complained about them being against Walter, because being against Walter is the logical path, Skylar didn`t revealed him because she loves Walt, and instead chose to redirect her anger towards a far less damaging action.


The reason people hate her is because she's an ungrateful bitch. Sure Walt is doing something illegal, but he's not doing it for shits and giggles.

You`re right! she should totally be grateful her husband is now a druglord! I love it how you bellitle what Walter does, sure, he`s making drugs, endangering his family, making business with other dangerous people, killing people, ruining hundreds (if not thousands) of people that buy and become addicted to the drug, but hey, he likes his family so is ok, meanwhile, Skylar had sex with someone? BURN THE BITCH!

That particular paragraph is exactly what Anna talk about, people expecting her to be all submissive and shit.

[Carnage]

Yes, he did. His gazillion lies were a betrayal to her trust.


Not a betrayal to their marriage pact.



And kept going even after he had no need for it, what a hero.


I already explained this previously in the thread. At this point, it had less to do with Sky



Already addressed in the getting even part. But just for fun, look at what the other family members did when they found out, Hank and Marie tried to straight up uncover him, which is way worse than having sex with some dude, Jr. immediately sided with Skylar, but no one complained about them being against Walter, because being against Walter is the logical path, Skylar didn`t revealed him because she loves Walt, and instead chose to redirect her anger towards a far less damaging action.

Trying to uncover him vs. betraying their marriage is a matter of opinion I suppose. In last night's episode Walt went out of his way to tie his ring around his neck. I personally find cheating more offensive than Hank doing his job. As for Walt Jr., he has Cerebral Palsy, so its silly for you to even make the comparison.



You`re right! she should totally be grateful her husband is now a druglord! I love it how you bellitle what Walter does, sure, he`s making drugs,

I guess the point of the show flew right over your head. What Walt does isn't far darker than what many people do legally. Hank is a racist, the DEA is willing to fuck over Skylar's family even if they had little to do with the crime, schwartz never seemingly cared to give Walt credit (prior seasons), chemical and tobacco companies affect a lot more people in negative ways than Walt, U.S. citizens pay their taxes which are used in war. Walt's product fucks over deadbeats. It's perspective. The only time I truly ever felt he was guilty was when that kid on the bike was shot, and Walt didn't reprimand/shoot Todd.


endangering his family,

Granted. Which is grounds for a divorce.



making business with other dangerous people, killing people, ruining hundreds (if not thousands) of people that buy and become addicted to the drug, but hey, he likes his family

Oh no, a bunch of deadbeats already addicted to the drug are still buying a drug they would otherwise still have access to. The only deaths Walt is responsible for are of criminals, save the one boy on the bike.




so is ok, meanwhile, Skylar had sex with someone? BURN THE BITCH!

That particular paragraph is exactly what Anna talk about, people expecting her to be all submissive and shit.

Yeah, she not only fucks Ted while Walt is breaking his balls to provide for his family, but gives that guy the very money he bled for. I guess marriage isn't as big a deal to you, different strokes for different folks.

[UChessmaster]

Not a betrayal to their marriage pact.

Trust is one of the foundations for marriage.



Trying to uncover him vs. betraying their marriage is a matter of opinion I suppose. In last night's episode Walt went out of his way to tie his ring around his neck. I personally find cheating more offensive than Hank doing his job. As for Walt Jr., he has Cerebral Palsy, so its silly for you to even make the comparison.

And that`s where the problem is, cheating on someone ONCE is way smaller than all the shit Walt did, but maybe I`m wrong on this, I`d like to see other members opinion on this. What does Jr`s CP has to do with anything?


I guess the point of the show flew right over your head. What Walt does isn't far darker than what many people do legally. Hank is a racist, the DEA is willing to fuck over Skylar's family even if they had little to do with the crime, schwartz never seemingly cared to give Walt credit (prior seasons), chemical and tobacco companies affect a lot more people in negative ways than Walt, U.S. citizens pay their taxes which are used in war. Walt's product fucks over deadbeats. It's perspective. The only time I truly ever felt he was guilty was when that kid on the bike was shot, and Walt didn't reprimand/shoot Todd.

And that justifies his actions? what he does is not that bad because someone, somewhere, somehow is doing something worse than him? alright


Oh no, a bunch of deadbeats already addicted to the drug are still buying a drug they would otherwise still have access to. The only deaths Walt is responsible for are of criminals, save the one boy on the bike.

I`m not quite sure how to answer this, Walt`s drug is vastly superior to what`s on the market, so his product obviously created a lot more addiction that wouldn`t exist with a normal product.

I honestly can`t believe the lengths people go to defend Walt to this day and slam Skylar, you claim I missed the point of the series as you defend this guy. Remind me again the name of the series.

[Carnage]

Trust is one of the foundations for marriage.


But nothing Walt did was ill willed. It was out of consideration for his family, if he broke the trust fucking someone else or shooting up highschools then that would be another matter. Our difference in priority of values probably wont allow us to settle this argument.




And that`s where the problem is, cheating on someone ONCE is way smaller than all the shit Walt did, but maybe I`m wrong on this, I`d like to see other members opinion on this. What does Jr`s CP has to do with anything?

I'm assuming Walt Jr. having CP affects his judgement or ability to think critically. Otherwise, if he were normal I would call him an absolute idiot for taking everyone else's side of the story before even listening to his father. Wouldn't you give your dad the chance to explain himself?




And that justifies his actions? what he does is not that bad because someone, somewhere, somehow is doing something worse than him? alright

No, I'm calling people who criticize Walt hypocrites for hating on Walt while not complaining about the rest of humanity that is just as guilty either through complacency or directly being responsible for worse crimes.




I`m not quite sure how to answer this, Walt`s drug is vastly superior to what`s on the market, so his product obviously created a lot more addiction that wouldn`t exist with a normal product.

If you're addicted to meth, you're addicted to meth.



I honestly can`t believe the lengths people go to defend Walt to this day and slam Skylar, you claim I missed the point of the series as you defend this guy. Remind me again the name of the series.

Like the term "Grey Matter" doesn't mean anything?


The whole point is that not everything is black and white. Some things Walt does do and don't bother me so much depending on the justification. Same goes for Skyler, I can understand her walking into the pool and wanting her kids out of the house. Her cheating and giving Walt's money away is unjustified. People don't hate women who are strong and self-dependent, they hate idiots who think they're strong and self-dependent.

[UChessmaster]

But nothing Walt did was ill willed. It was out of consideration for his family, if he broke the trust fucking someone else or shooting up highschools then that would be another matter. Our difference in priority of values probably wont allow us to settle this argument.

Yeah, there`s no point in keeping this argument.



I'm assuming Walt Jr. having CP affects his judgement or ability to think critically.

You assume wrong.


Otherwise, if he were normal I would call him an absolute idiot for taking everyone else's side of the story before even listening to his father. Wouldn't you give your dad the chance to explain himself?

You mean like when he kept asking Walt if it was true he killed Hank and Walt wouldn`t give him a straight answer?


No, I'm calling people who criticize Walt hypocrites for hating on Walt while not complaining about the rest of humanity that is just as guilty either through complacency or directly being responsible for worse crimes.

The show is about Walter White, not the tobacco companies.


If you're addicted to meth, you're addicted to meth.

.....


Like the term "Grey Matter" doesn't mean anything?

Not quite sure what you meant by this.



The whole point is that not everything is black and white. Some things Walt does do and don't bother me so much depending on the justification. Same goes for Skyler, I can understand her walking into the pool and wanting her kids out of the house. Her cheating and giving Walt's money away is unjustified. People don't hate women who are strong and self-dependent, they hate idiots who think they're strong and self-dependent.

The point is about a good guy that makes bad decision and becomes a bad guy, it IS about black and white, he was white, and he is now black. He was meant to be bad and people aren`t meant to relate or feel sorry for him. The creator`s view, not mine.

[Carnage]

He was meant to be bad and people aren`t meant to relate or feel sorry for him. The creator`s view, not mine.

I'm not going to continue with the arguments because I dont want to spam this thread, but do you have a source for this?

[UChessmaster]

I'm not going to continue with the arguments because I dont want to spam this thread, but do you have a source for this?

He said as much in several interviews, most recently in the talking bad segment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/12/breaking-bad-creator-vince-gilligan-like-walt-video_n_3742070.html

Host Chris Hardwick asked Gilligan if he still liked Walt. "Not so much, no. He’s kind of a bad dude," Gilligan responded. "I mean, that was kind of the whole point of it all, but at a certain point he’s harder and harder to symapthize with.”

Here`s some funny news, BrBa is getting a remake already... a Latin american remake called "metastasis".

Arriba Walter Blanco!

http://i42.tinypic.com/nq1do2.jpg

[Carnage]

"Not so much, no. He’s kind of a bad dude," Gilligan responded. "I mean, that was kind of the whole point of it all, but at a certain point he’s harder and harder to symapthize with.”


Sounds like black and white to me.

Either way, it doesn't justify Skyler's cheating on Walt and giving his money Ted. Although again that's a difference in our priority of values, so that's a subjective argument that won't go anywhere.

[UChessmaster]

Sounds like black and white to me.

Either way, it doesn't justify Skyler's cheating on Walt and giving his money Ted. Although again that's a difference in our priority of values, so that's a subjective argument that won't go anywhere.

So you agree with me...?

For the record, you stated it`s NOT black and white a few posts ago, I stated it is, now you`re saying it souns black and white?

Again, it`s called Breaking Bad, not Breaking Ambiguous.

[Carnage]

So you agree with me...?

For the record, you stated it`s NOT black and white a few posts ago, I stated it is, now you`re saying it souns black and white?

Again, it`s called Breaking Bad, not Breaking Ambiguous.

I was being sarcastic. "Grey Matter" - it not black and white. Gilligan didn't do that by coincidence.

[Animeniax]

I'm surprised that Gilligan so easily dismisses Walt as just a bad guy who is getting what he deserves. Haven't all of us been involved in something that spiraled out of control or got out of hand, and we deal with it the best we can in hopes it turns out ok? Of course what Walt did is x1000 but you can still sympathize with a guy who had good intentions but let things get wildly out of hand.

@UChess: about the title, remember back in the first episodes how it came about in the show. Jesse tells Mr. White that just because his life is going to shit it doesn't mean he can simply "break bad" and go into this life of crime. I don't think it's as simple as saying Walt is bad.


It's not that she doesn't want anything to do with Walt, which any sane wife wouldn't. More so the her fuck-ups along the way as well as her attitude towards him. For example, not only did she fuck Ted, but she also gave him Walt's money. When he needed it most.AS UChess has said, the lies were a betrayal of trust in their marriage, so Skyler sleeping with Ted was just desserts. She gave Ted money to keep his business afloat (old loyalties) and so she wouldn't go to jail for cooking his accounts.


Yo I can see the finale now:No, we've already seen in previous episodes that Walt takes matters into his own hands with the M60. He's going full frontal assault on everyone.

[Animeniax]

Sorry for double posting, but maybe we can discuss the actual latest episode.

I was pretty upset with the way they had Walt dissolving into nothingness, hiding in a cabin slowly dying and completely losing control of everything. Then the bar scene happens and Heisenberg reappears and the show is the greatest ever again.

I was really annoyed with how Andrea (Jesse's girlfriend) went out. She's from a bad part of town, doesn't she know not to open the door to strangers at night? What a dumbass.

I thought Jesse was going to escape and was actually rooting for him to get away, even though he deserves his pain for being such a pussy and bringing all this shit on everyone.

[Carnage]

Yeah one thing the writers overlooked, Andrea must have figured out Jesse's past in drug dealing when Walt's face was all over national television. Her listening to a stranger in the dead of night seemed to be a stretch.

[UChessmaster]

@UChess: about the title, remember back in the first episodes how it came about in the show. Jesse tells Mr. White that just because his life is going to shit it doesn't mean he can simply "break bad" and go into this life of crime. I don't think it's as simple as saying Walt is bad.

AS UChess has said, the lies were a betrayal of trust in their marriage, so Skyler sleeping with Ted was just desserts. She gave Ted money to keep his business afloat (old loyalties) and so she wouldn't go to jail for cooking his accounts.

A) Yet that`s exactly what he did, he broke bad, he is a bad guy, thus the tittle. Jessie`s comment was just to tie the series to the tittle directly and to foreshadow Walt`s path.

B) Exactly, Skyler gave money to Ted for "the sake of the family", by Carnage`s logic she should not be held accountable.


I was really annoyed with how Andrea (Jesse's girlfriend) went out. She's from a bad part of town, doesn't she know not to open the door to strangers at night? What a dumbass.

Yeah, it was rather odd how she just drops her guard to anyone claiming to be Jessie`s friend.

[Animeniax]

A) Yet that`s exactly what he did, he broke bad, he is a bad guy, thus the tittle. Jessie`s comment was just to tie the series to the tittle directly and to foreshadow Walt`s path.

B) Exactly, Skyler gave money to Ted for "the sake of the family", by Carnage`s logic she should not be held accountable.We all apparently have differences of opinion as to fidelity and the sanctity of marriage. I tend to agree with you, I don't think having extra-marital affairs are the end of a relationship or the ultimate betrayal. I separate sex from love, and I think you do too.


Yeah, it was rather odd how she just drops her guard to anyone claiming to be Jessie`s friend.She did the same thing with Walt. I think she was a convenient tool for the writers to manipulate Jesse, but it was lazy of them. Small detail, but it stuck out in my head because I hate when people answer the door, particularly at night, and unaware. Sure way to get killed, in TV/movies and in real life.

[lelouch]

Again, it`s called Breaking Bad, not Breaking Ambiguous.

This is why it's called Breaking Bad:

1565

Said Vince Gilligan

[Animeniax]

That is evil, but funny.

Saw this on cracked.com:

1566

[lelouch]

What are those last two?

[Animeniax]

Walking Dead and Boardwalk Empire. People really hated Lori, Rick's wife in Walking Dead.

[Carnage]

Giving credit where it's due, apparently Vince Gilligan does side with Skyler:

http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/05/vince-gilligan-skyler-white/


Man, I don’t see it that way at all. We’ve been at events and had all our actors up onstage, and people ask Anna Gunn, “Why is your character such a bitch?” And with the risk of painting with too broad a brush, I think the people who have these issues with the wives being too bitchy on Breaking Bad are misogynists, plain and simple. I like Skyler a little less now that she’s succumbed to Walt’s machinations, but in the early days she was the voice of morality on the show. She was the one telling him, “You can’t cook crystal meth.” She’s got a tough job being married to this asshole. And this, by the way, is why I should avoid the Internet at all costs. People are griping about Skyler White being too much of a killjoy to her meth-cooking, murdering husband? She’s telling him not to be a murderer and a guy who cooks drugs for kids. How could you have a problem with that?


Edit: But Vince also lays out how Walt isn't "white and black" evil:

http://www.vulture.com/2013/05/vince-gilligan-on-breaking-bad.html


But this is not a show about evil for evil’s sake. Walt has behaved at times in what could be regarded as an evil fashion, but I don’t think he’s an evil man. He is an extremely self-deluded man. We always say in the writers’ room, if Walter White has a true superpower, it’s not his knowledge of chemistry or his intellect, it’s his ability to lie to himself. He is the world’s greatest liar. He could lie to the pope. He could lie to Mother Teresa. He certainly could lie to his family, and he can lie to himself, and he can make these lies stick. He can make himself believe, in the face of all contrary evidence, that he is still a good man. It really does feel to us like a natural progression down this road to hell, which was originally paved with good intentions.

[Animeniax]

Thoroughly satisfying ending to a great show. Another milestone creation that has come and gone, and our Sunday evenings are a little less exciting now that it's over.

I want to marathon the entire series in a few weeks, but I do recall certain episodes were very frustrating to watch.

[UChessmaster]

Wow, I can`t believe it`s over. Extremely awesome ending, I`m glad Walt finally admitted the whole "doing this for my family" thing was crap, which I`ve been yelling since season 1 to everyone. Interesting that Walt was using a green shirt, I was pleased that he died a good guy. Flynn had no dialogue this episode, lol. I love full circle endings. I think the most beautiful part of this is that, at the end of it all, everything he did this episode he really did it for his family, Jessie included.

[Animeniax]

I disagree that the "doing this for my family" thing was crap. For most, your family is an extension of the self, particularly your children, and particularly if you are the traditional bread-winner (the spouse who brings home the bacon, the man of the house). Yes he did it largely for himself, especially considering how he went about doing things, but in the end what is he but the head of his household, the father of his children, and he wants to leave them financially secure and his legacy. That legacy (and the money) got heavily tainted by the end, but his intentions were intact.

Still, awesome episode, and like you said the full circle ending was perfect. All loose ends tied up, everyone got what they deserved.

[Carnage]

Vince explains the series finale:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/09/30/breaking-bad-finale-vince-gilligan/

[Splash!]

Lol @ Vince Gilligan thinking Todd was a likeable character. The creepy child killer, really? The guy who just offed Andrea a while ago...

[Animeniax]

I've read different angles on Todd's character and if you imagine he was raised by his Uncle Jack and hung around those neo-nazis his whole life, then he's probably a victim of his environment as much as an innately terrible person.

Todd did come across as a soft-spoken guy, and he showed respect to Mr. White at times. It demonstrates his mentality of being someone who follows leaders and does whatever they ask or he thinks will make them happy. I hate people like that, but it does explain it a bit better than just writing them off as psychopaths.

[Splash!]

Todd did come across as a soft-spoken guy, and he showed respect to Mr. White at times. It demonstrates his mentality of being someone who follows leaders and does whatever they ask or he thinks will make them happy. I hate people like that, but it does explain it a bit better than just writing them off as psychopaths.

I have hated Todd ever since I saw him kill that kid, and nothing that has happened since then has changed my opinion of him in the slightest. It wasn't so much the killing, but the fact he seemed unfazed by the act itself. When unwanted deaths occurred around Walt or Jessie, they usually felt some type of remorse or had to struggle to come to terms with it.

Sure, he is victim of his circumstances but all psychopaths are usually broken by something that happens to them in their past or how they are brought up. Who is to say uncle Jack or the other neo-nazis weren't raised by similar crazies? Doesn't make them any more likeable. To me, being soft-spoken actually makes him even creepier because we all know that he is no less than a monster himself.

[Animeniax]

Besides the kindnesses he showed Walt and the kindness he showed Jesse with the ice cream and leaving the tarp off, there wasn't anything to like about Todd. You don't have to like the guy, but you should factor in that he's not an evil person, it doesn't factor in for him that what he's doing is right or wrong.

It'd be like hating a dog or a lion that killed. The animal doesn't know right from wrong, it just does what it does. I'm not saying it's ok or that he should be forgiven or excused for his crimes, just that it's not black and white, good and bad with him.

[Splash!]

It'd be like hating a dog or a lion that killed. The animal doesn't know right from wrong, it just does what it does. I'm not saying it's ok or that he should be forgiven or excused for his crimes, just that it's not black and white, good and bad with him.

Well if a human being like Todd is comparable to a wild animal, that kind of says something, doesn't it?

I don't think even the most heinous criminals out there are ever truly black and while, but that in itself doesn't mean much. With him, I feel that the bad significantly trumps the good.

[UChessmaster]

For some reason I don`t hate Todd either and I feel like I totally should. Maybe is the few small sliver of adorable things Todd does or says every now and then when he`s not killing innocent kids, his puppy love for Lydia, being a fanboy of Walt and as already mentioned the ice cream. I think we`re experiencing some sort of Stockholm tv syndrome.

[Animeniax]

It wouldn't be fair that so many empathize with Walt but vilify Todd. Both guys are terrible people for different reasons and because of different causes. Don't mistake me, I don't like Todd. I just don't hate him. Weird that I think I hate Jesse most of all the primary characters.

[Carnage]

It wouldn't be fair that so many empathize with Walt but vilify Todd.

It's entirely fair. Walt has only ever harmed bums and violent drug criminals, the only indirect exceptions being Gale and the kid on the bike. Todd willingly shoots innocent children and mothers.

[Animeniax]

It's entirely fair. Walt has only ever harmed bums and violent drug criminals, the only indirect exceptions being Gale and the kid on the bike. Todd willingly shoots innocent children and mothers.

Well all that meth he made hurt a lot of people. I've heard arguments that only drug addicts were affected by the explosion of high quality meth. But something like this creates new addicts and ruins more lives.

[Carnage]

Well all that meth he made hurt a lot of people. I've heard arguments that only drug addicts were affected by the explosion of high quality meth. But something like this creates new addicts and ruins more lives.

I guess I'm just very conservative, but I just don't feel very bad for people trying it in the first place unless they're 12 and don't generally know that hard drugs have side effects.

Edit: make that 10 year olds.

[Animeniax]

I guess I'm just very conservative, but I just don't feel very bad for people trying it in the first place unless they're 12 and don't generally know that hard drugs have side effects.

Edit: make that 10 year olds.

Peer pressure can make even smart kids do dumb things, and most teenage years are rife with dumb decisions and mistakes. We can dismiss these kids as getting what they deserve, but that doesn't lessen the societal impact. I never tried drugs until I was in my 30s (as documented in the bitching thread), so in general I agree with you that only dumb kids do drugs.

[lelouch]

Jesse was breaking bad when we was drove through that gate... must have learned from Flynn.

http://screen.yahoo.com/sketchy/breaking-bad-alternate-ending-210659594.html



Flynn had no dialogue this episode, lol.


g-g-ggg-g-ggg-ggggg-gg-gg

gooOOOOd

[UChessmaster]

Speaking of Jr. am I the only one that thinks that Walt doesn`t loves him per se? I was always under the impression Jr. is not the kid he wants, but the kid he got stuck with. Instead, I think he subconsciously thought of Jessie as his real son, as evidenced by the "thank you Jessie" scene, thoughts?

[lelouch]

Speaking of Jr. am I the only one that thinks that Walt doesn`t loves him per se? I was always under the impression Jr. is not the kid he wants, but the kid he got stuck with. Instead, I think he subconsciously thought of Jessie as his real son, as evidenced by the "thank you Jessie" scene, thoughts?

Well duh, it's because Jr. was the real mastermind behind this whole thing and had his dad held hostage.

[Animeniax]

Speaking of Jr. am I the only one that thinks that Walt doesn`t loves him per se? I was always under the impression Jr. is not the kid he wants, but the kid he got stuck with. Instead, I think he subconsciously thought of Jessie as his real son, as evidenced by the "thank you Jessie" scene, thoughts?

I wouldn't say he doesn't love him, but I agree he probably doesn't like him as in he's not what Walt wanted in a son. Who would want a child who had to live a handicapped life, instead of a healthy normal child (as terrible as that sounds)? I think Jesse was his surrogate son who shared his interest in chemistry (in a sick and twisted way) and making money.

[lelouch]

I wouldn't say he doesn't love him, but I agree he probably doesn't like him as in he's not what Walt wanted in a son. Who would want a child who had to live a handicapped life, instead of a healthy normal child (as terrible as that sounds)? I think Jesse was his surrogate son who shared his interest in chemistry (in a sick and twisted way) and making money.

While secretly working for Flynn http://screen.yahoo.com/sketchy/breaking-bad-alternate-ending-210659594.html

[UChessmaster]

I wouldn't say he doesn't love him, but I agree he probably doesn't like him as in he's not what Walt wanted in a son. Who would want a child who had to live a handicapped life, instead of a healthy normal child (as terrible as that sounds)? I think Jesse was his surrogate son who shared his interest in chemistry (in a sick and twisted way) and making money.

I don`t mean just the CP though, I imagined post grey matter Walter as some sort of caged bird, trapped with his family while convincing himself he loves them, while Jessie is a free bird, doing what he wants without giving a shit while still having some sense of morality, then he looks at Jr. who is like... an old dog ashamed of his own name.

http://i44.tinypic.com/29o0kec.jpg

[Animeniax]

While secretly working for Flynn http://screen.yahoo.com/sketchy/breaking-bad-alternate-ending-210659594.html
Haha yeah that's funny. I love these conspiracy theories and alternate views of the BB world. I'd say Gilligan could make a spinoff or continue the story, but he ended it perfectly and anything more than fan-made material on the internet would taint the original.


I don`t mean just the CP though, I imagined post grey matter Walter as some sort of caged bird, trapped with his family while convincing himself he loves them, while Jessie is a free bird, doing what he wants without giving a shit while still having some sense of morality, then he looks at Jr. who is like... an old dog ashamed of his own name.
That makes sense, and plays right into his "conviction" that he was doing all those bad things for his family and not just for himself. I guess the family was another symbol of what Walt could have been (rich and prosperous) but wasn't. It's like the reverse of that Nic Cage movie, the Family Man.

[poopdeville]

I wonder if "Better Call Saul" is going to be about Saul's adventures post-running. Bob Odenkirk would act the shit out of a sleazy Taco Bell manager part.

[Animeniax]

I wonder if "Better Call Saul" is going to be about Saul's adventures post-running. Bob Odenkirk would act the shit out of a sleazy Taco Bell manager part.

I hadn't heard but they've greenlighted this spinoff. Apparently it's a prequel so no Walt/Jesse/White family. Not sure how to feel about this, as BB ended so well. I'd hate for anything to taint the memory of a great show.

[UChessmaster]

Fun fact, the last episode is called felina, fe=iron, li=lithium and na=sodium, those are key components for blood, meth and tears.

[Animeniax]

Fun fact, the last episode is called felina, fe=iron, li=lithium and na=sodium, those are key components for blood, meth and tears.

That's one of the suggested meanings of the title, and speaks to the many layers of a lot of the cool elements in the show.

[Animeniax]

This is one of the funniest BB memes I've seen:

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[UChessmaster]

What`s the deal with the name Flynn? did he really change his name? does anyone else finds it extremely low of him to do so?

[Animeniax]

Are you marathoning the series for the first time or did you just forget that part?

He changed his name to have his own identity apart from Walt. I think it was when he was pissed that his dad wasn't being honest with the family and his lies were getting a bit out of hand, circa season 2. It wasn't a legal change, just what he asked to be called by friends and family.

[UChessmaster]

Yeah but, how many people ask to be called a different name when theyre upset at their father.

[Carnage]

The same person who lies to the cops and about his father pulling a knife on his mother.

[UChessmaster]

You take apples and oranges to a completely new level.

[Animeniax]

He's also a teenager so he's naturally rebellious. Most teens smoke or drink (which Walt Jr. also tries). But finding out your father may die soon and then the feeling that he's lying or not being himself can also push a son to want to rebel or act out.

[Carnage]

You take apples and oranges to a completely new level.

They're both fruit!

[UChessmaster]

He's also a teenager so he's naturally rebellious. Most teens smoke or drink (which Walt Jr. also tries). But finding out your father may die soon and then the feeling that he's lying or not being himself can also push a son to want to rebel or act out.

Yes, i completely understand and accept teenage rebellion, but I just think this choice was way too harsh, changing the name itself is not the issue, but the fact that they share the same name and jr. casuallly dissmised it seems like a direct hit at walt, I mean, his father is dying of cancer and clearly going on a bad time (understandably so) and jr. just metaphorically slaps walter, couldnt he like... buy a lot of Linkin Park cds? paint his hair green? get a piercing?

[Animeniax]

Yes, i completely understand and accept teenage rebellion, but I just think this choice was way too harsh, changing the name itself is not the issue, but the fact that they share the same name and jr. casuallly dissmised it seems like a direct hit at walt, I mean, his father is dying of cancer and clearly going on a bad time (understandably so) and jr. just metaphorically slaps walter, couldnt he like... buy a lot of Linkin Park cds? paint his hair green? get a piercing?

I think there's some psychology behind it but sometimes kids subconsciously (and unfairly) blame the parent in situations where a parent might be leaving. It might have to do with a sense of abandonment. Add in the teen rebellion, his already tenuous sense of self because of the CP, and the feeling that Walt is not being honest to his family. That should be enough to excuse what is a pretty mean thing to do to your dying father. But he does change it back eventually once the family splits in season 3.

[lelouch]

I think this argument is moot and nonsensical for two reasons:

1) Isn't Flynn like mentally retarded? Kind of like asking why a retarded person likes to stick crayons in their nose..

2) His rebellion started long before he changed his name. It started when he was breaking bad.

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[Animeniax]

Look up cerebral palsy before grouping all handicapped people as mentally retarded.

[Carnage]

I get the feeling he's being facetious.

[Archangel]

What`s the deal with the name Flynn? did he really change his name? does anyone else finds it extremely low of him to do so?
First it was just some adolescent rebellion of wanting to be "his own man" but by the end even Skyler was using it. It was a sign of their whole family wanting to distance themselves from Walter.

[UChessmaster]

Better call Saul (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/better-call-saul-mad-men-670045), begins in november.

[Animeniax]

Not sure if the Saul spinoff is a good idea or not. I always felt he was comedic relief on BB, so will this new show be a comedy or a drama? I guess they could make it a lawyer show with new cases each episode (Fox has a new sleazy lawyer show called Rake, which might be them trying to get the jump on AMC) or another extended caper series like BB was.