Valkyria Chronicles

[shinta|hikari]

So it was even more random? Then the Dragon Ball/Bleach comment was perfectly appropriate. Whether it is a criticism or not depends on whether you like those two shows.

No I did not watch the youtube clip. Not everyone wants to spoil themselves, even if it is a close adaptation.

If possible, please edit your post to remove the fantastic array of spoilers from the game, for the sake of people like me who want to enjoy playing it.

[Nadouku]

Now, I won't negatively comment on Faldio's doing, since Alicia was the key to their success. Still, I don't like the idea of having someone, or a friend, shoot you in the back (and through a vital point?) just to unlock some hidden power. Next episode name fits perfectly, alright.

[shinta|hikari]

Faldio is a psycho. If nearly killing her is necessary, he should have explained everything as fast as he could, then got her consent. Knowing Alicia (like Faldio should by now), she would most likely agree to take the risk, especially for Welkin and her squad.

[Buffalobiian]

Faldio is a psycho. If nearly killing her is necessary, he should have explained everything as fast as he could, then got her consent. Knowing Alicia (like Faldio should by now), she would most likely agree to take the risk, especially for Welkin and her squad.

Maybe. But Faldio didn't want to leave anything to chance (contradictory as this statement may be). He was desperate for a way to save everybody after losing his entire squad, and if whether or not Alicia was a Valkyrur was a gamble, he wanted it to be the only gamble.

I can't agree with what he did, but I can't answer you neither if you asked for a better alternative.

I agree with Zell's comments regarding the clip (how the music was good). As for DBZ comparisons, most of the anime was like that anyway due to the lack of strategy involved.

Eldeweisse > non-Valkyrurs, Alicia > Selvaria > everything else etc.

(A comparison follows between episode and youtube clip that doesn't ruin anything). The clip above didn't have the young-Alicia flashback, so it looks like the anime is going for a less-random, more-foreshadowing approach, for better or worse.

Note that I haven't played the game neither, but you've got to have rocks for brains to not guess, if not figure out what that flashback meant.

Hint: (2 orphans, both Valkyrurs. Maybe they were neighbours.)

PS: Maximilian should give up his powers too. He's a joke. Being voiced by Lelouch's VA doesn't make it any less so.

[shinta|hikari]

A better alternative? I just gave one in the last post. If that fails, then shoot her. Faldio just went bat nuts because his squad was killed (which is understandable).

I never said he was evil, just psycho.

About Max though... I didn't think he could have done anything else in that situation, except depend on the last remaining (he assumed) Valkyria. Granted, he did nothing smart either, but no one does in this show, except maybe invent smoke grenades.

[Buffalobiian]

A better alternative? I just gave one in the last post. If that fails, then shoot her. Faldio just went bat nuts because his squad was killed (which is understandable).

I never said he was evil, just psycho.

Okay...well that's hypocritical, but whatever.


About Max though... I didn't think he could have done anything else in that situation, except depend on the last remaining (he assumed) Valkyria. Granted, he did nothing smart either, but no one does in this show, except maybe invent smoke grenades.

Alicia might have an edge over Selvaria, but as they've shown, one Valkyrur isn't everything. At first, his army was doing fine until they shot his tank's engine. After that, Selvaria came and started annihilating the enemy and taking most, if not all the fire. And now, his tank's fixed.

Well, it's not fixed anymore, so at the very end he really did have no options.

[shinta|hikari]

How is it hypocritical? Trying to do the best the situation offers is normal. I am not condoning the shooting of Alicia. I just wanted to point out that Faldio should have done that instead of shooting her from behind. The problem is, he didn't even try to think of an alternative, much less try to actually do it. Then he says that he had no choice? Psycho.

[Nadouku]

You know Welkin will be so pissed off that his friendship with Faldio might as well just dissolve. ;)

[Buffalobiian]

How is it hypocritical?

Asking her nicely, and if she refuses, shoot her anyway.

[shinta|hikari]

Like I said, that was not meant to be taken literally, but to express how Faldio did not even consider other options. I'm sure I explained it in my last post though.

[Kraco]

Looking at Selvaria's powers in this episode (and the previous one), it's no wonder if the Darcsens in the past tried and succeeded in developing some weapons of mass destruction... Anybody would if you had an enemy like that.

Furthermore, a wise nation would have sheltered Darcsens later instead of persecuting them and tried to find out their secrets. Kind of like in our world the nazis persecuted jews and thus aided their enemy's, the Americans', science programs, the Manhattan project included.

It would have been a nice twist if somebody could have presented alternative weaponry able to match valkyria powers. Although seeing how the valkyrias really did anything only so late in the series, it would have been neither necessary nor really smooth plot development to introduce extra stuff.

[vizion]

gleam - Episode 22 (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=83605)

[Nadouku]

Good lord. I've never seen such stubbornness in one episode before, but the biggest douchebag, that General Daemon, just needs to die in this upcoming battle, preferrably by either Selvaria or Alicia, or both.

[shinta|hikari]

I honestly don't get what is going on in Alicia's head. Why reject Welkin's help? I thought Welkin handled the situation perfectly, only to be pushed away numerous times.

[RyougaZell]

While I also wanted for her to accept Welkin's help... do understand she heard all the doubt from her comrades. And she feels as a Monster.

[Buffalobiian]

I honestly don't get what is going on in Alicia's head. Why reject Welkin's help? I thought Welkin handled the situation perfectly, only to be pushed away numerous times.

I thought he wasn't being forceful enough with it. She's completely insecure about everything right now, and he didn't go far enough in reassuring her that everything's alright. He said it, but not well enough.

When Alicia told him to let go, I was hoping for him to yank her closer and hug her, telling her he'd never let go or something like that. That would have been much more emotional, compared to his, what I'd call reasoning with her that she's really the same Alicia, because frankly, she's not.

But that's not the problem. What matters is that Welkin will fully embrace her, past, present or future. Of course, that's asking too much from his passive personality. If my squad started talking like that about Alicia, I'd get fired up.

I did like the Welkin-Faldio confrontation though. It was expected that Welkin would express his emotions like that, but I thoroughly enjoyed watching him speechless as Faldio asked him what he should have done instead. It once again shows that Welkin really is lost when there's no ideal solution.

It was redeeming that he stayed silent, rather than spout some baseless nonsense about not shooting Alicia.

General Daemon.....lol. I want to see him on the battlefield. Even the worst Imperial snipers can't possibly miss such a fat target.

[shinta|hikari]

Alicia was just being too stubborn. It would be unreasonable to ask anyone to keep chasing after you several times, after you have rejected their offer to help. Alicia even pleaded with him not to chase after her in tears, so it would be correct to assume (even if that was not really the case) she really does not want his company, at least at that time. Rather than a lack on Welkin's part, I see the whole thing as Alicia's overreaction.

[Buffalobiian]

Alicia was just being too stubborn. It would be unreasonable to ask anyone to keep chasing after you several times, after you have rejected their offer to help. Alicia even pleaded with him not to chase after her in tears, so it would be correct to assume (even if that was not really the case) she really does not want his company, at least at that time. Rather than a lack on Welkin's part, I see the whole thing as Alicia's overreaction.

I was editing while you posted, so some stuff I might have addressed.

I really meant Welkin should have been more assertive about his support for Alicia right when Squad 7 started discussing the issue, and right after they stopped running.

Alicia pleeded to him not to chase after her because she thinks Welkin doesn't realise she's not the same person that he knew, as if he has chosen to ignore the fact that she's now an awakened Valkyrur. He didn't bring that up once to her. His manner of speech was also too passive, talking about how she was there for him, so he's now here for her, repaying her.

Welkin failed to convey to her that he doesn't give a shit she's a Valkyrur.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm a bit confused. Isn't ignoring the fact that she is a Valkyrur the same as not giving a shit that she is a Valkyrur? It is not like Welkin is pretending that she isn't, just that she is still Alicia no matter what (which I believe he stated verbally). Alicia is certainly way too demanding if she wants to hear the things you have written down, especially on the spot without preparation. Only a mind reader would manage that.

I am not saying that it is impossible for Welkin to stop Alicia at that point. If he did indeed manage to say what you wrote down, Alicia might not have run away. What I have been saying from the start is that Alicia is being unreasonable. Welkin performed at least above average in his attempt to convince her. If that doesn't work, it is Alicia's fault, not Welkin's.

[Buffalobiian]

I'm a bit confused. Isn't ignoring the fact that she is a Valkyrur the same as not giving a shit that she is a Valkyrur?

In a sense, yes, but the difference is in how it comes out. Ignoring means disregarding it, whether it is conscious or not. Under the right circumstances it is akin to avoiding. By "Not giving a shit", I intended it to mean he acknowledges that she's different, but his feelings towards her haven't changed.

They key thing there was that Welkin made it sound like Alicia hasn't changed, while Alicia insisted that she has.

I know what you're saying, and I guess it comes down to whether we saw it as Alicia crossing her line, or Welkin not meeting his.

[vizion]

gleam - Episode 23 (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=85115)

[Buffalobiian]

I'm surprised. I actually liked this episode, probably due to multiple factors.

There wasn't anywhere near as many awkward character-interaction scenes, which has become all to common for this show lately. Flow was better IMO, and I'm pretty sure no one here boo-ed Welkin when he hit the brass (hopefully a KO punch. :o).

I've always wondered where Alicia got her powers from, and why in contrast the Princess is so powerless for a legendary Valkyrur. The way the Princess worded things, I'm sure the next sudden WTF moment is when they announce Alicia as the real princess/Valkyrur, and the Princess is a replacement or something.

[Nadouku]

My mind eased a little when Squad 7 started to regret their actions against Alicia, though I am still a bit mad from their previous hurtful comments. Looks like a rematch next episode.

[Buffalobiian]

gleam - episode 24 (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=86244)

[RyougaZell]

I think I understand why Shinta was saying the Valkyria thing felt too sudden. It wasn't presented as it was on the game. In the game we knew of Selvaria's power ever since they meet on the Valkyrur ruins. Instead of having Alicia and Faldio get trapped, in the game you fought a Valkyria-empowered Selvaria.

And lol at Cordelia having a wig in the anime. She just had her funny hat in the game.

[shinta|hikari]

That would probably be it. If I had seen it beforehand, I wouldn't think it random at all. I still wouldn't enjoy it as much because of the hax capabilities, but that is just my personal preference.

[RyougaZell]

Works better on a game I guess.
BTW... Valkyria Chronicles 2, for PSP, has just been announcer for a western release in Summer 2010

[Buffalobiian]

Fat asshole goes down, blond asshole steps up.
Must be tough being royal.

The legend gets a major turn around though. I certainly wasn't expecting Cordelia to be a Darcsen, though I expected her to not be of Valkyrur blood. So the legend was all about keeping the Valkyria name all noble at the expense of the Darcsen's, even though they're most likely the ones who blew everything up. I'm all eyes and ears for how the legend goes, since there's nothing else to grab my attention.

I vote for the pony-tail general to kill the prince and marry the princess.

edit: lol @ Maximillion randomly living next to an orphanage.

[Nadouku]

What was Maximillian doing there? Taking a survey? That sure was coincidental. :p

At least, Daemon died, hopefully. Looks like Maximillian is taking a crazed turn next episode.

[RyougaZell]

I actually think Selvaria managed to hide herself in Palace Grounds.

Yet this makes me think... was Alicia from the Empire on this continuity? The anime I mean.

[Buffalobiian]

I actually think Selvaria managed to hide herself in Palace Grounds.

Yet this makes me think... was Alicia from the Empire on this continuity? The anime I mean.

She was being chased by people with white coats, and the siren was still sounding, so she couldn't have been far from the facility. Then she hid in a flower bed, and walla, behold Maximillion.

As for Alicia, I guess she'd have to be, if we assume Selvaria's facility was also from the Empire.

[Buffalobiian]

Gleam - Episode 25 (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=87355)

[Nadouku]

It's like a bigger spear means better power, but Alicia managed to stop it, anyways, and the concept of revenge seems to be thrown out-of-control for Maximillian. What a crazed dude.

[Buffalobiian]

I like how body armour in this show does absolutely nothing.

[Ryllharu]

I think this screenshot from the final episode characterizes everything I think about this show.

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[shinta|hikari]

You win.

[RyougaZell]

I think this screenshot from the final episode characterizes everything I think about this show.

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I still believe it works better on a game. It wasn't loyally shown on a series.

[Nadouku]

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5...onicles202.jpg
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5128/valkyria20chronicles202.jpg)

Wow, that's some strange looking artwork there.

[Buffalobiian]

gleam - Episode 26 (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=88782)

[RyougaZell]

Damn. They cut a scene from the ending I was expecting :(

[Nadouku]

What a fitting end for Maximillian. I liked the ending since it was pretty happy, but the series had some rocky moments. Overall, it's a nice series.

[RyougaZell]

Whoever hasn't played the game here... do yourself a favour and go play it.

[RyougaZell]

http://imageshack.us/m/856/7128/senjounovalkyria3unreco.jpg

Senjou no Valkyria 3 - PSN OVA 01 (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=213896)

The first of the OVA series made for the third videogame on the Valkyria Chronicles series. The plot centers on a Gallian Squad called the 'Nameless' were deserters are usually thrown and discriminated.

The story takes place at the same time as the original Valkyria Chronicles... and chronologically speaking takes place at the 1st half of the game / series.

The translation is quite bad, but still understandable. I posted it since the OVA has been around for months and no one else had bothered to translate it.

[shinta|hikari]

Why not ask gotwoot to do it?

[RyougaZell]

Valkyria Chronicles 3 OVA 1 & 2 Blu-ray Rips (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=244456)

[Buffalobiian]

Valkyria Chronicles 3 OVA 1 & 2 Blu-ray Rips (http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=download&tid=244456)

As expected of a combat unit. Their coolness factor was a grade above Squad 7 with their good commander but green team.

Their tank was still a little hax in that it was capable of taking at least one direct hit from the enemy tank while being able to do them in with a direct hit themselves. Then there's also the whole mine-detonating run. Still, wasn't as bad as Elderweiss.

Chick in the tank (favourite character in this OVA by a large margin) > Isara OVA ver. (her hair seems shorter and eyebrows thicker in this OVA)

Reila (?) > Alicia. She's kind of like a healthy moderation between Alicia's personality and Selveria's body.

[RyougaZell]

The Nameless are by far one of the best units in the Valkyria Chronicles universe (fuck you Sega for not localizing the game). Riela and Imuka are also two of my favorite characters. I bought their nendoroids recently actually.

[Dark Dragon]

Yeah, i'm playing though valkyria 2 right now and most of the characters just annoys me. V3 looks really good but judging from the sales of the first 2, it's doubtful that sega will ever localize it.