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Nadouku
Wed, 11-19-2008, 12:15 AM
[Dattebayo] Bleach - Episode 195: Download (http://www.dattebayo.com/t/b195.torrent)

Wow, the animation blew my mind in this episode, especially when Nel used her release and drilled Nnoitra a new one. Kind of sad to see what happens to her afterwards...

Pesche and Dondochakka had an interesting technique, but like Szayel said, they took too long to reveal it, and got the worst result out of it.

I kind of felt sad for Ichigo this episode, being powerless and not being able to do anything. Throughout the course that Tesla beat him, he began to lose his voice and sounded weaker, and weaker with every passing moment. Poor Ichigo! Well, at least someone unexpected saves him. :D

kmkze04
Wed, 11-19-2008, 01:23 AM
Can't say anything except...

OH HELL YESSSSSSS

Awesome ep, except for the whole Kurosaki-kun thing. I'd expect to hear that kind of thing in a hentai.

Kleitan
Wed, 11-19-2008, 01:32 AM
Superb episode. Hope to see more action in the future.

Uberbaka
Wed, 11-19-2008, 04:14 AM
Holy hell that was amazing, and Neliels adult voice didn't bother me for one second this episode and it felt good rooting for pesche and dondochakka and all the music clicked perfectly into the episode.

And there was tons of progression on all fronts, this is the kind of awesome I watch bleach for.. Worried about it not lasting though, any predictions on how many eps before filler time again?

Nintendo
Wed, 11-19-2008, 04:51 AM
let the tough battles begin.

Penner
Wed, 11-19-2008, 06:56 AM
YES, ZARAKI ACTION FUCK YEAH!

That is all.

Pessu
Wed, 11-19-2008, 07:17 AM
First i was hoping for hitchigo to take control but seeing Zaraki is sooo much better. I wonder who else came with him :)

I'm betting on Byakuya saving Rukia atleast :P

Kraco
Wed, 11-19-2008, 09:13 AM
Ichigo should keep his masochistic tendencies behind closed doors. It was so embarrassing to watch this episode. We know well enough already he gets his kicks out of pain, for god's sake. Well, now that the real ass kicker appeared, things should get more interesting. Maybe Orihime will also finally remember she could and should heal Ichigo for a change.

If somebody has avoided watching the OP, don't read on:




I expect Mayuri to appear to fight against the Udon espada. Both have somewhat strange and disgusting techniques... Byakuya saving Rukia would be a nobrainer, for sure. Maybe Unohana will save Sado. Well, this is assuming the OP is of any indication of who came from the SS, if only some came.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 11-19-2008, 10:00 AM
Weeooooooooooo! KENPACHI!!!



Also, Nels released form sucks. Fuzzy hollows? No thanks.

And the fact that she goes back to her kid mode when she runs out of energy? Sucks more.

NeoCybercoin
Wed, 11-19-2008, 11:54 AM
She didn't rrun out of energy Darth. Her released form was just highly unstable because her mask is still broken. It was still missing the front teeth on the right if you look closely.

But ahh well...

ZARAAAAAKKIIIIII WOOOOOH!

(I wonder if he took that little midget with him >_>)

David Craft
Wed, 11-19-2008, 01:12 PM
(I wonder if he took that little midget with him >_>)

I would be greatly surprised if he didn't... I mean like the ONLY place you see her NOT with him is in the captains meetings... And the woman's shinigami association if you count the endings.



ANYWAYS that was a AWESOME ep... I predict the other captains that were in the op coming as well.

Though the part about 'whos thingy was thicker' was just wrong >_<

Nadouku
Wed, 11-19-2008, 01:49 PM
Ichigo should keep his masochistic tendencies behind closed doors. It was so embarrassing to watch this episode. We know well enough already he gets his kicks out of pain, for god's sake. Well, now that the real ass kicker appeared, things should get more interesting. Maybe Orihime will also finally remember she could and should heal Ichigo for a change.

Yes. The badass Ichigo that we once knew now gets kicked around by an Espada and his pet Fracción. His development seems to be cut short in this arc, but I hope he does regain his glory in the future episodes!


I would be greatly surprised if he didn't... I mean like the ONLY place you see her NOT with him is in the captains meetings... And the woman's shinigami association if you count the endings.

Bleach Movie 2 is also when Zaraki didn't bring Yachiru along to fight, if you even count that. The only time she is shown with him is when they're warning about the King's Seal and Toushirou on the execution grounds. :D

Just wondering, I do not see any Hollow hole in Nel. It might located somewhere that's pretty hidden, but the obvious places do not house it. :eek:

redcat
Wed, 11-19-2008, 02:41 PM
I was expecting Orihime to snap and discover new ass kicking powers after watching ichigo get his shit ruined. but I guess I can't complain about what happened instead.

Yukimura
Wed, 11-19-2008, 04:40 PM
Putting aside the fact that I don't think Ichigo has been that badass since his first Bankai fight. Fighting that gigantic battle against Grimmjow looked to have worn him t pretty good, even Ichigo has to have some limits (I know it seems odd since he's a Shounen Hero but still). He couldn't even summon his mask, which is the only thing that lets him fight at Espada level anyway. As soon as Orihime decided to not start healing him immediately after Grimmjoww was down I think it became inevitable that either this would happen or we'd get another total Hichigo takeover.

Jessper
Wed, 11-19-2008, 08:40 PM
Absolutely amazing. A real fight where Zaraki can go all out should be mind blowing. Have not been this excited for the next episode of a show in, well, maybe ever.

Alhuin
Thu, 11-20-2008, 03:45 PM
Nel's fall back into child form was predictable. Didn't expect it at that point, but still predictable none-the-less. Rasencero was interesting, but as Szayel mentioned, they took way too long to do anything, so even if they were some bad ass Fracchion back in the day (which they probably weren't), they're just utterly useless now. Even their comedy relief is stale... seriously, what was the deal with the whole "pulling out my 'thing'.... if that was in the manga, I seriously lost respect for it because of that.

But, aside from those minor details, the episode was quite interesting. Seeing Ichigo get roflpwned was enjoyable, because it's always fun to see Inoue suffer. Maybe that will teach her to heal him when she has the first available chance instead of standing around looking dumbfounded. However, like a few others, I thought for sure she was gonna go through a "shounen power-up". Well, Kenpachi showing up at the end is just as good.

Looking forward to the next episode. Let's just hope they don't fuck up and start a new filler arc right after Kenpachi does whatever he can do.

Jessper
Thu, 11-20-2008, 08:17 PM
I doubt Inoue would have to go through any sort of "power-up" more like a realization of her power. We know her strength is tied to her emotions so something as world-shattering as losing Ichigo would have been should be sufficient for her to "reject" Tesla out of existence. I am glad they didn't go that route.

I forgot to mention I enjoyed the music this episode, different but I felt it fit very well.

Alhuin
Thu, 11-20-2008, 09:52 PM
I forgot to mention I enjoyed the music this episode, different but I felt it fit very well.

Ironically I forgot to mention that as well. The music these past few episodes has been incredibly fitting... unlike a certain other shounen series... :p

DeathscytheVII
Fri, 11-21-2008, 02:04 AM
Every time I heard Inoue say "kurosaki-kun.." i felt like stabbing my brain.

Luckily Zaraki was the perfect cure :D

Vorlath
Fri, 11-21-2008, 09:19 PM
I was hoping to see someone whip out their Bankai, mount Nel and then ride her to victory in one big thrust. Didn't happen. Seeing Nel and Kenpachi just made that scenario fizzle out like a limp rag on a rainy day.

Abdula
Sat, 11-22-2008, 02:03 AM
So anyone notice that Nel did absolutely nothing. All that fuss and all she was good for was buying time for the real fighter to show up.

Nadouku
Sat, 11-22-2008, 02:28 AM
The only thing I'm confused about is when she said "Don't worry, I won't take your life," then proceeds to hurl another strike at Nnoitra before changing back. :confused:

Jessper
Sat, 11-22-2008, 04:01 AM
The only thing I'm confused about is when she said "Don't worry, I won't take your life," then proceeds to hurl another strike at Nnoitra before changing back. :confused:

She was saying, "This won't kill you but it will incapacitate you"

I'm kind of curious about Nnoitra though, the other Espada seem to have normal katana for their unreleased swords, he doesn't. Is he in a permanent state of release or does he just use an odd weapon? The first doesn't make much sense but if he does just use a strange weapon I wonder why it hasn't been brought up.

Nadouku
Sat, 11-22-2008, 04:06 AM
She was saying, "This won't kill you but it will incapacitate you"

Hmm, I see.


I'm kind of curious about Nnoitra though, the other Espada seem to have normal katana for their unreleased swords, he doesn't. Is he in a permanent state of release or does he just use an odd weapon? The first doesn't make much sense but if he does just use a strange weapon I wonder why it hasn't been brought up.

It's just probably his "style" of using a strange weapon.

Sapphire
Sun, 11-23-2008, 10:48 AM
I finally caught up on Bleach, even though after all this time there were only five episodes worth watching..

I was SHOCKED at Zaraki's appearance.. shocked and SO freaking happy. Now I wonder what the hell will happen next. I'm sure that Zaraki could own anyone.. but Aizen + Zaraki? Hmm!

DarthEnderX
Sun, 11-23-2008, 08:12 PM
Unless he's received some sort of powerup, Zaraki shouldn't be able to beat anyone here.

Jessper
Sun, 11-23-2008, 10:40 PM
Unless he's received some sort of powerup, Zaraki shouldn't be able to beat anyone here.

Don't you talk bad about Zaraki!

Kraco
Mon, 11-24-2008, 03:04 AM
Unless he's received some sort of powerup, Zaraki shouldn't be able to beat anyone here.

I see no reason why not. These guys so far haven't been that strong. Ichigo just has been somewhat sucking except for the moment when Inoue finally cheered him. At that (brief) moment Ichigo was what he should have been all the time. For example Nnoitra has shown nothing Zaraki shouldn't be able to beat. The only thing I'd worry about is speed, but if you think about it, it has been a long time since there was a single (serious) opponent who wasn't as fast or faster than Ichigo, and Ichigo was supposed to be really fast. So, in the light of recent evidence Ichigo's speed is nothing peculiar, and thus there's no reason to assume Zaraki, having been a captain for a while and beating lots of folks, couldn't handle that as well.

Nintendo
Mon, 11-24-2008, 05:18 AM
when i heared the music that played in the last part where ichigo was beaten to death,i expected hollow ichigo to appear coz this music usually plays before he appears but the arrival of zaraki is great too and i hope that zaraki vs noitra battle will be tough enough so that we may see zaraki knowing the name of his sword and become more freakin' stronger.

Archangel
Mon, 11-24-2008, 11:12 AM
Unless he's received some sort of powerup, Zaraki shouldn't be able to beat anyone here.

It's been like 100 non filler episodes since he last fought, he is now more powerfull than God

Nadouku
Mon, 11-24-2008, 11:15 AM
It's been like 100 non filler episodes since he last fought, he is now more powerfull than God

And we know how badly Ichinose lost to Zaraki. :D

Other than that, with his eye-patch removed, Zaraki can probably fight Espada at equal or higher level. Poor Tesla is gonna get eaten, probably.

redcat
Mon, 11-24-2008, 12:12 PM
Other than that, with his eye-patch removed, Zaraki can probably fight Espada at equal or higher level.
but can he see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?

hikkifan17
Mon, 11-24-2008, 12:43 PM
Hmmmmm,

This episode was interesting but now I await Kenpachi kicking the 5th Espada's A$$ xD

Jessper
Mon, 11-24-2008, 08:24 PM
And we know how badly Ichinose lost to Zaraki. :D

Other than that, with his eye-patch removed, Zaraki can probably fight Espada at equal or higher level. Poor Tesla is gonna get eaten, probably.

Zaraki never really fought Ichigo. He could have killed him in the first 10 seconds of the fight if he had wanted. That fight simply isn't a good judge of his strength.

Yes, Tesla is going to be a quick show of power to give Nnoitra a clue he should be scared.

Nadouku
Mon, 11-24-2008, 08:32 PM
Zaraki never really fought Ichinose. He could have killed him in the first 10 seconds of the fight if he had wanted. That fight simply isn't a good judge of his strength.

At least Zaraki got serious enough (even if it was for one second) to unleash his eye-patch upon Ichinose's Soul Slayer, Nijigasumi. But you are right. Battles like that aren't really a good way to measure a character's power. :rolleyes:

Jessper
Mon, 11-24-2008, 08:59 PM
At least Zaraki got serious enough (even if it was for one second) to unleash his eye-patch upon Ichinose's Soul Slayer, Nijigasumi. But you are right. Battles like that aren't really a good way to measure a character's power. :rolleyes:

Erm, I assumed you meant Ichigo because that fight was filler so it isn't grounded in the reality of the Manga, even if the result was the same.

Nadouku
Mon, 11-24-2008, 09:24 PM
Erm, I assumed you meant Ichigo because that fight was filler so it isn't grounded in the reality of the Manga, even if the result was the same.

Heh, we all want to forget the fillers, someday. :D

DarthEnderX
Tue, 11-25-2008, 04:15 AM
It's been like 100 non filler episodes since he last fought, he is now more powerfull than GodWell yes, he obviously has powered up since then. I'm saying that if he hadn't, he wouldn't even be able to beat any of the Espada. He couldn't even beat Ichigo before he had his Bankai.

By all rights, Yami should be able to kick his ass if he hasn't powered up.

Kraco
Tue, 11-25-2008, 05:03 AM
He couldn't even beat Ichigo before he had his Bankai.

Ho... When did this happen?

Come on, man. We have been through this ten times, and even you have to admit Zaraki could have ended that fight during the first four seconds if he had wanted. Instead he kept coaching Ichigo, trying to get the most out of him, and he finally succeeded for that final clash. And that final clash was the only thing Zaraki was looking for. He wasn't looking for a way to kill Ichigo. The whole thing was like an M1A2 and an assault rifle man meeting, and the tank crew opening the hatches and sticking their heads out so that the fight would be more fair for the rifleman.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 11-25-2008, 05:02 PM
Ho... When did this happen?

Come on, man. We have been through this ten times, and even you have to admit Zaraki could have ended that fight during the first four seconds if he had wanted. Instead he kept coaching Ichigo, trying to get the most out of him, and he finally succeeded for that final clash. And that final clash was the only thing Zaraki was looking for. He wasn't looking for a way to kill Ichigo. The whole thing was like an M1A2 and an assault rifle man meeting, and the tank crew opening the hatches and sticking their heads out so that the fight would be more fair for the rifleman.Yeah, if Kenpachi had killed him right off the bat, he would have won. But Ichigo had a huge powerup DURING that fight, and by the end, he was Stronger than Kenpachi.

I don't have any doubt that if they'd both rested up fully after that battle and went at each other again, full strength, Ichigo still would win.

And since then, Ichigo has obtained Bankai, and learned to control his Hollow mask. Two MASSIVE powerups. Kenpachi, until they reveal otherwise, hasn't done anything.

Since Ichigo needed to use Bankai to even wound Yami, the Kenpachi that Ichigo fought shouldn't even be able to wound the Espada.


Now, I don't believe for a minute that any of this is the case, because I'm 100% sure that Kenpachi WILL have done something to power up. Personally, I'm hoping he's learned his Zanpaktou's name and obtained his Shikai. But they haven't revealed anything yet. And if he does do something like kick Noitra's ass without revealing any new abilities, I'm gonna call bullshit on Kishi's writing.

Vorlath
Tue, 11-25-2008, 05:11 PM
I agree with Kraco, Zaraki was bored when he faught Ichigo. He wanted to have some fun. He was just caught by surprise that Ichigo could release that much power. But unless Zaraki underestimates someone who has a #5 on his tongue and believes that these Espadas (who would need to have NEVER shown any HUGE skills in order to be similar to the Ichigo vs. Kenpachi fight) are somehow weaker than Zaraki expects them to be... in the middle of Los Noches... well he'd have to be incredibly stupid.

I always got the impression that the only reason Ichigo won against Zaraki is because Zaraki got caught by surprise. But if it wasn't for that, I think it would have been different.

Kraco
Tue, 11-25-2008, 05:29 PM
I'm gonna call bullshit on Kishi's writing.

Better start to get ready for that already, then. Just recall Tousen Kaname, for example. The man is now there right next to Aisen, yet he's also a man who couldn't do shit against Zaraki, even with his bankai, according to your logic. Do the Espada keep him alive out of pity, or something? Kenpachi didn't even bother to take off his eyepatch when he beat Tousen.

I already get you dislike Zaraki for some reason, just as much as I'm a fan of his, but honestly there hasn't yet been a single fight, where we would have seen his real strength. The Ichigo fight was like a sports competition compared to a war, and during the Tousen fight Tousen was so baffled he didn't even try to kill Zaraki before it was too late already. But what we do know, though, is that Zaraki is some sort of a once in a century monster and that he was a "nobody" who took out a captain in an honest fight. A long time ago.

The Heretic Azazel
Tue, 11-25-2008, 06:25 PM
But they haven't revealed anything yet. And if he does do something like kick Noitra's ass without revealing any new abilities, I'm gonna call bullshit on Kishi's writing.

I know a lot of people here love to knock Kishimoto but come on, this isn't even his manga :p

We all know how screwed up Bleach's power levels are. I don't like DBZ-type power levels; if in all cases, one person clearly outshines another, it kills the element of surprise. On the other hand, in Bleach it's never adequately explained why the underdog wins. It is always because the opponent is arrogant. Byakuya is arrogant and so is, for that matter, Kenpachi, the two captains Ichigo beat with very little experience under his belt. Yes, Kenpachi has a blood lust, he loves to fight, but he is so cocky and likes to fuck around too much. If he had stormed on Ichigo from the start, Ichigo would have been wasted. He wouldn't have had time for his powerup. I think Kenpachi's arrogance keeps him from being a much better fighter than he is now, and it's even possible he's not "connected" with his sword because he would rather throw his life away than obtain more power.

Abdula
Tue, 11-25-2008, 06:37 PM
Yeah, if Kenpachi had killed him right off the bat, he would have won. But Ichigo had a huge powerup DURING that fight, and by the end, he was Stronger than Kenpachi.
No he wasn't. Thats just your opinion.

I'm gonna call bullshit on Kishi's writing.
Its Bleach not Naruto, so its Kubo not Kishi:p Kishi always gets a bad rap.:D
And you wouldn't be the first.

Nadouku
Tue, 11-25-2008, 07:29 PM
Kenpachi is a man of many mysteries. It wouldn't be surprising if he beat Nnoitra, since he has his eye-patch as his "ace in the hole," or maybe, some other hidden power-up that has yet to be revealed (after the Ichigo vs. Kenpachi battle).

Kenpachi did want to "connect" with his sword after Ichigo showed him the combined power of his and Zangetsu, but fails to get any response because... his Soul Slayer is already "dead" to him. My only guess is Kenpachi is still trying to do that, even now.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 11-26-2008, 04:38 AM
I already get you dislike Zaraki for some reasonWell you don't get shit then because he's one of my favorite characters.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's an antagonist from, like, 4 arcs ago. And if he's able to keep up with this arcs antagonists without any kind of powerup...that's just total bullshit.
No he wasn't. Thats just your opinion.No. It isn't. Two brute force characters attack each other with their full power. One is able to keep going afterwards. The other isn't.

Kenpachi lost. Ichigo was stronger.

Kraco
Wed, 11-26-2008, 05:28 AM
But that doesn't change the fact that he's an antagonist from, like, 4 arcs ago. And if he's able to keep up with this arcs antagonists without any kind of powerup...that's just total bullshit.No. It isn't. Two brute force characters attack each other with their full power. One is able to keep going afterwards. The other isn't.

Kenpachi lost. Ichigo was stronger.

Ichigo was stronger during that one very specific and particular moment and setting Kenpachi allowed (allowed that setting, not Ichigo's victory). Unless such a moment is repeated in this Kenpachi-Nnoitra fight, it won't mean shit. Besides, Nnoitra is a bully so I very much doubt he could ever recreate Ichigo's spirit during that clash.

Archangel
Wed, 11-26-2008, 09:26 AM
Personally, I'm hoping he's learned his Zanpaktou's name and obtained his Shikai. But they haven't revealed anything yet. And if he does do something like kick Noitra's ass without revealing any new abilities, I'm gonna call bullshit on Kishi's writing.

Wouldn't that be bullshit writing as well? I mean Kakashi didn't give a shit about his sword for something like a couple hundred years and didn't do the least to try to understand it, and after a nice little speech and pleasent conversation he obtains his shikai just like that?

Kishi? U mean Kubo. And you probably will.

Kraco
Wed, 11-26-2008, 09:49 AM
Wouldn't that be bullshit writing as well? I mean Kakashi didn't give a shit about his sword for something like a couple hundred years and didn't do the least to try to understand it, and after a nice little speech and pleasent conversation he obtains his shikai just like that?

Haha. Just look at Ichigo and then tell you can't achieve things in a short time. The dude not only achieved shikai and bankai but also a vaizardism in a time shorter a regular or probably even above regular shinigami would use to get their shikai alone. I think Zaraki would have had plenty of time now to break the ice. A shinigami and his zanpaktou should be somehow compatible to begin with so I don't think it makes sense Zaraki's would be some eternally offended pussy sword.

That being said, I have no idea whether we will ever see what manner of a sword he really has, but it could be nice to witness the effect.

DarthEnderX
Wed, 11-26-2008, 09:56 AM
Wouldn't that be bullshit writing as well? I mean Kakashi didn't give a shit about his sword for something like a couple hundred years and didn't do the least to try to understand it, and after a nice little speech and pleasent conversation he obtains his shikai just like that?

Kishi? U mean Kubo. And you probably will.Well yeah, it is kinda bullshit. But that's the nature of the shounen powerup. Kenpachi has been out of the series for months though which gives him alot more time than just "a pleasent conversation".

And yeah, I meant Kubo.