Naruto Chapter 421

[Marik]

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Why Danzou, WHY!?

[Psyke]

So Pain's piercings are there not just for decorative purposes. And Sakura can kill a giant centipede in a single punch? Where did Danzou pop out from anyway? And Kakashi's move, while cool, looked like he just electrocuted a dog. :p

[6Zabuza9]

noooooooooo the frog died :(

[rockmanj]

Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or did Naruto destroy a mountain? O_o And Danzou popping out from the shadows? I suppose he is a ninja after all.

[ruccus]

Well I never liked those advisors anyways, so that little part this week was pretty good. But how does Kishi plan on ending this fight now that Naruto is "trapped" with Fukusaku. This fight is just too similar to the Orochimaru fight at this point and I wouldnt be surprised if Konoha actually manages to drive Pein away, just as the 3rd did with Orochimaru

[Rikudo]

Well I never liked those advisors anyways, so that little part this week was pretty good. But how does Kishi plan on ending this fight now that Naruto is "trapped" with Fukusaku. This fight is just too similar to the Orochimaru fight at this point and I wouldnt be surprised if Konoha actually manages to drive Pein away, just as the 3rd did with Orochimaru

I don't think this fight is anywhere near the 3rd and Oro's fight. There is no one at Konoha at this point that can level with Pein's power. I think Kakashi can buy a little time with his Mangekyou sharingan until he figures something out but he'll be dead by then. BTW, he is against 2 of Pein's body now. Figuring out the chakra modulator might help them disable Pein but there's also his rinnegan.

[ruccus]

I don't think this fight is anywhere near the 3rd and Oro's fight. There is no one at Konoha at this point that can level with Pein's power. I think Kakashi can buy a little time with his Mangekyou sharingan until he figures something out but he'll be dead by then. BTW, he is against 2 of Pein's body now. Figuring out the chakra modulator might help them disable Pein but there's also his rinnegan.


Well I was trying to compare the invasion angles of this fight, what with the families grouping together to fight, and also with the "traitorous" aspect of Danzou. And honestly I just hope Kakashi comes out of this alive. Jiraiya's already gone, lets just leave the rest alone Kishi -_-

[LaZie]

How dare you do that to the frog Danzou! What an evil bastard, but anyway, the best part about this ch was the lecture Tsunade gave them senior citizens. Finally gave them a little of what they deserve.

[Tyreal]

Well this chapter made me fully believe that Danzo is actually Madara/Tobi. When you compare Danzo on that last page to the small part of Madara's face that you see when he starts to take off his mask they look almost identical. Not to mention ANBU's Root division which Danzo leads is said to be similar to The Village of the Mists teachings (i.e. Bloody Village in the Mist or something was it's nickname) fits in very well with Madara also being the Mizukage. Also the fact that Itachi trained under Madara means that Madara must of been somewhat close to Konoha often, which allowed Itachi to track him down. Not to mention the most obvious fact which is that Danzo keeps the eye that Madara uses for his sharingan constantly covered by a bandage, their hair styles are also almost identical, I've also been told that Madara has pins in his right arm (although I can't find the chapter in the manga that supports this) and Danzo's right arm is always in a sling.

Image of Danzo from current Chapter: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/17/
Image of Madara without his Mask: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/03/

One the topic of the destroyed mountains near Naruto, I think that means that he might be able to through the Rasenshuriken now.

[Idealistic]

^^ Oh my god what a twist that would be.

[ruccus]

Well this chapter made me fully believe that Danzo is actually Madara/Tobi. When you compare Danzo on that last page to the small part of Madara's face that you see when he starts to take off his mask they look almost identical. Not to mention ANBU's Root division which Danzo leads is said to be similar to The Village of the Mists teachings (i.e. Bloody Village in the Mist or something was it's nickname) fits in very well with Madara also being the Mizukage. Also the fact that Itachi trained under Madara means that Madara must of been somewhat close to Konoha often, which allowed Itachi to track him down. Not to mention the most obvious fact which is that Danzo keeps the eye that Madara uses for his sharingan constantly covered by a bandage, their hair styles are also almost identical, I've also been told that Madara has pins in his right arm (although I can't find the chapter in the manga that supports this) and Danzo's right arm is always in a sling.

Image of Danzo from current Chapter: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/17/
Image of Madara without his Mask: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/03/

One the topic of the destroyed mountains near Naruto, I think that means that he might be able to through the Rasenshuriken now.


One little flaw with this theory; why would Danzou, assuming he is Madara, keep Naruto AWAY from Pein? Sure he looks very similar but honestly does Madara need to be an exisiting character? Danzou obviously has his own plans here.

[Rikudo]

If that's the case, then the rumor about Danzou being an Uchiha is true. Except he's not another Uchiha, he is The Uchiha.

BTW, the title of the next manga is "Kakashi's hope" - could it be Gai? lol

[Vegechan]

Sure he looks very similar but honestly does Madara need to be an exisiting character?

Because the manga is making such a big deal with hiding his face. I mean, light is magically avoiding his face whenever he reveals it for whatever reason. He's an established character. Trust me. Plot devices don't lie.

[Tyreal]

One little flaw with this theory; why would Danzou, assuming he is Madara, keep Naruto AWAY from Pein? Sure he looks very similar but honestly does Madara need to be an exisiting character? Danzou obviously has his own plans here.

I thought about posting something about this in my original post, but decided we don't really know enough info about Madara to come to any real conclusion (I know that's a little hypocritical considering I put forward a theory about Madara being Danzo). The fact that the theory I put forward could actually be true proves this. But if you want some sort of speculation about why I do have a few ideas, one of which he might be trying to get rid of Pain since it's probably a good bet in a 1-on-1 fight that Pain would beat Madara (if him losing some of his power in the fight against the First is true).

Another idea (and one that the more I think about it is more and more likely, if Danzo really is Madara) is that he might want Tsunade dead so he can put in a puppet Hokage that would answer to him (or possibly even set himself up as Hokage), without Naruto there to fight Tsunade would be forced to fight, and considering Jiaiya lost to Pain Tsunade wont stand much of a chance. This idea is further supported by the fact Tsunade has just lost all the respect of the advisors in the current chapter so they aren't likely to appoint someone who is similar to Tsunade again. Not to mention the fact Madara's feud with the First Hokage.

IF (and I admit that the next idea is a big if, which like I said before is why I didn't post this earlier) all of this turns out to be true we might see Naruto not be able to return to Konoha and effectively become a rouge ninja (since Konoha wouldn't be safe for him anymore). This would then give way to Naruto being able to team up with Sasuke (and returning Sasuke into the good books) and try and "destroy" the Konoha created by Madara. Wow... that post really got off track.

[ruccus]

Plot devices don't lie.

Until people start to see the holes in that plot device.
Around the same time Madara shows his face to Sasuke, he tells him about the village elders, and Danzou is one of them. He has practically told Sasuke, to go and kill those people if he wants revenge. Now this manga has had some real out there moments, but I highly doubt the manga's main villain is going to ask someone to just go and kill him. Honestly this one is dumber than Tobi being Obito (sorry in advance on opening THIS can of worms :P).

Oh and the name Uchiha Madara is an established enough character himself.

[Death BOO Z]

Around the same time Madara shows his face to Sasuke, he tells him about the village elders, and Danzou is one of them. He has practically told Sasuke, to go and kill those people if he wants revenge. Now this manga has had some real out there moments, but I highly doubt the manga's main villain is going to ask someone to just go and kill him.

where have you been during the entire Itachi plotline?

dammit, I wanted to believe Danzou is a good guy, with only different view about how to deal with some stuff... now it seems that you can't be a good guy if you dare to oppose the monarchy of the hokage.
also, Danzou told Sai to kill Sasuke. You might say that danzou knew that Naruto will change Sai and protect Sasuke, but it's still a pretty dumb thing to do if he was actually Madare.

Seeing how it become two paynes vs Kakashi, I'm saying that Kakashi is going to survive this fight. maybe even shoot some more 'electric dogs'... like we have all gone super retard.

So, Paynes' piercing is an chackra cellular antenna? good to hear. maybe the vulcan cryogenic tubes are recalibrating the chackra freaquncey between the bodies, (keeping the brainwash intact). pseudo-science mumbo-jumbo.

I really hope that Naruto doesn't return in the close time, but I doubt it, he has to at least meet up with Iruka to become a rouge ninja.

[Raven]

The only thing is, if he actually is secretly Madara, wouldn't everyone in Konoha know what Madara looks like, therefore know it's him? It'd have to be a bit like nobody recognizing that Clark Kent is actually Superman despite the only difference between them is the clothes they're wearing.

[Tyreal]

The only thing is, if he actually is secretly Madara, wouldn't everyone in Konoha know what Madara looks like, therefore know it's him? It'd have to be a bit like nobody recognizing that Clark Kent is actually Superman despite the only difference between them is the clothes they're wearing.

Well the statue at the Valley of the End looks nothing like Danzo or what we've seen of Madara for that matter. Not to mentioon Danzo keeps a good portion of his face covered.

[Assertn]

Danzou was trying to kill Sasuke. Madara was trying to win Sasuke over.
What's the connection?

[Tyreal]

Danzou was trying to kill Sasuke. Madara was trying to win Sasuke over.
What's the connection?

Was this going on at the same time though? I don't think it was because when Sai went to assassinate Sasuke, Sasuke had no idea who Uchiha Madara was. From what I remember Danzo didn't want Orochimaru to have Sasuke (and we know that Madara has no problem killing fellow Uchiha), also Orochimaru had previously betrayed Akatsuki so it makes sense that Madara wouldn't want him to get any more powerful. He probably just took advantage of the fact that he could deal Orochimaru a blow from the shadows with Orochimaru blaming Konoha. Then later on after Sasuke dealt with Orochimaru (and Itachi for that matter) he decided to have him join Akatsuki.

[Vegechan]

My response wasn't about Danzou being Madara, I'm not sure about that twist... but I'm pretty sure by the time it's revealed who Madara is, he's going to be someone previously established.

[darkshadow]

perhaps danzou is Madara's brother? what if he never died? and they just traded eyes?

[Death BOO Z]

perhaps danzou is Madara's brother? what if he never died? and they just traded eyes?


Possible, would require a whole lot of spin-shitting to explain how they gave a zombie the position of mega-military commander, or otherwise, how they gave that position to someone they don't know anything about.

Tyreal:
madare is the kind of guy that lived for a gzillion years just to get revenge (and has a use for another Uchiha to do it), he wouldn't kill Sasuke, especially when he knows that Itachi is dying.
Danzou allowed Tsunade to send 5 shitty genins to go after Sasuke, if he cared so much about preventing Orochimaru from getting Sasuke, he would have sent his own men after him (Sai.. maybe yamato? most likely a few others who could kick any of the sound nins ass).
unless, of course, you believe that Madare planned all this from ages ago, and knew that Sasuke would betray orochimaru, and this, and that, and he knew it all so good and actually planned the entire thing from beforehand. and if you believe that, then you'll believe anything.

also, Madare is already Tobi and Mizukage. he's got a good deal of personalities to take care of...

[xaoc.]

I actually had to make an account after reading madare is danzo bs ...

Danzou allowed Tsunade to send 5 shitty genins to go after Sasuke
-your talking about the first time right ? The village was still recovering and short on people i dont even think danzo was shown then ? the second time it was Sai/yamato both being anbu level for sure. sai's pretty badass when their not trying to dumb him down with emotion :P

@ all this danzo is madare stuff..
-mad has black hair and doesnt age, danzo is old, grey haired, and one of the people who decided to destroy the uchia clan (seems like the person who would suggest it to me)
madare's brother more than likely died /is blind/ cant be danzo.. everyone would remember him as a uchia if he was.. and both brothers had mang eyes..if i remember correctly .. he merely took out his younger brothers eyes to make his perm...

@pein would beat madare..
uber superpowerful uchia who can make attacks phase through his body and more than likely knowns all of peins abilities would not loose :P

@ madare
personally im just betting on him having a second eye that he can't turn off, or he has 1 eye because he lost the other when he fought the 1st....

[Tyreal]

Tyreal:
madare is the kind of guy that lived for a gzillion years just to get revenge (and has a use for another Uchiha to do it), he wouldn't kill Sasuke, especially when he knows that Itachi is dying.

If Madara wanted/cared about Sasuke he wouldn't of risked Orochimaru using him as his body, which would effectively make him useless to Madara since Orochimaru would of been much harder to manipulate and more of a threat than Sasuke is. On the same line of thought if Madara cared about using the Uchiha why would he help Itachi kill them all off. Although I admit that since Sasuke was left alive it might prove that Madara does have a use for him specifically, however I think the original use was just for Itachi to get Sasuke's eyes (at least that is what I think Madara thought). The only reason Madara is currently using Sasuke is because he needs a replacement for Itachi.


Danzou allowed Tsunade to send 5 shitty genins to go after Sasuke, if he cared so much about preventing Orochimaru from getting Sasuke, he would have sent his own men after him (Sai.. maybe yamato? most likely a few others who could kick any of the sound nins ass).

Why should Madara care how Sasuke trains to become powerful. We can assume that Madara/Danzo has the same information as the rest of Konoha (i.e. he knows that Orochimaru can only change bodies every 3 years and that he recently changed bodies before getting Sasuke, he probably knows even more if Orochimaru did come up with his eternal life technique while in Akatsuki and even more if he modified Madara's way of staying alive for centuries). That's even if Madara cares about if Sasuke lives or dies.

Another possibility is that Madara/Danzo sent Sai to assassinate Sasuke as a test (possibly even on Itachi's request), since if you remember correctly ANBU's Root and the Hidden Mist Village had a similar way of doing things and one of those ways of doing things was life or death battles as tests. We also know that after a rouge ninja is killed the person who killed them (if they are from the rouge ninja's village) take the body back with them to prevent the villages/clans secrets getting out. Which means Itachi would of probably gotten Sasuke's eyes if Sai did somehow manage to beat him.


unless, of course, you believe that Madare planned all this from ages ago, and knew that Sasuke would betray orochimaru, and this, and that, and he knew it all so good and actually planned the entire thing from beforehand. and if you believe that, then you'll believe anything.

Why would he of needed to know about this and planned it from ages ago. He could just be responding to situations as they arise in a manner that best suits his ultimate goal. Anyway arguing about this is pointless so this will be my last post on the subject, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I could very well be wrong.

Also I didn't consider that Uchiha Madara's brother may be Danzo (although now that I've been told about the theory it's another one I like), but if that's the case why is he going against Madara. If anything I would of thought he would be helping Madara as didn't he give Madara his eye's willingly, it's even more likely he would be helping his brother if they swapped eyes.


@ all this danzo is madare stuff..
-mad has black hair and doesnt age, danzo is old, grey haired, and one of the people who decided to destroy the uchia clan (seems like the person who would suggest it to me)

Look at the pictures both Madara and Danzo have black hair, not to mention they both have age lines (just because someone doesn't age doesn't mean they aren't old):
Danzo: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/5/5f/Danzo.jpg
Madara: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/7/72/Tobi.png


madare's brother more than likely died /is blind/ cant be danzo.. everyone would remember him as a uchia if he was.. and both brothers had mang eyes..if i remember correctly .. he merely took out his younger brothers eyes to make his perm...

Madara told Sasuke that his brother gave up his eye's willingly. Also I thought all the stuff with the first and Madara happened a long time ago. It's unlikely anyone remembers them in person.


@pein would beat madare..
uber superpowerful uchia who can make attacks phase through his body and more than likely knowns all of peins abilities would not loose :P

I have to point out that Itachi did say that Madara is only a shell of his former self. And Pain has a reputation as a God, not even the First Hokage or Madara got that kind of recognition (and they could both control the Bijuu).

[toonice714]

This chapter only makes me wonder what was in that message to Orochimaru. I bet ANBU's roots division tries to step in and deal with pain and if they win they try to declare ome kind of martial law that overrides the hokage. That would put Danzou in a good place to control stuff.

I dont know what to think of akatsuki still. Their goals are either shallow or murky. Even though they are currently attacking the village i dont think they are the more pressing enemies to worry about.

[Yukimura]

Well Raikiri Inu was pretty cool, and it seems like it has a longer range and area of effect than Sasuke's chidori snake/pole thing so take that me from the chapter 420 page, Kakashi >>> Sasuke.

Still, I don't see Kakashi beating multiple Pein bodies without some serious support. He's always struck me as a more one on one and sneak attack specialist. As someone else mentioned Gai would probably be a big help here since he's too wild to fight just one person at a time.

Danzou's gambit was a bit of a surprise, but it makes sense that he wouldn't want to risk Pein getting his hands on the Kyubii. I just hope he's got something up his sleeve to help Konoha deal with Pein.

[RyougaZell]

Look at the pictures both Madara and Danzo have black hair, not to mention they both have age lines (just because someone doesn't age doesn't mean they aren't old):
Danzo: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/5/5f/Danzo.jpg
Madara: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/7/72/Tobi.png



Wow...using the argument of black hair on a manga that is draw in white and black :rolleyes:

[darkshadow]

Wow... totally disregarding the similar age lines and trying to de-proof something that isn't really that important anyway:rolleyes:

[Abdula]

I wasn't even going to bother posting in this thread after seeing all the BS here. I mean seriously Danzou kills a frog to prevent idiot Tsunade from throwing Naruto right into Pain's hands and all of a sudden Danzou is Madara. If there was ever a time for a good face palm, this is that time.

Anyway this chapter was good. The only problem I had was Sakura one-shotting the giant centipede when all those random ninjas were just standing there. Made them look completely useless.

Kakashi showing his awesomeness, and yes take that Yuki from chapter 420. Naruto actually looks promising, seeing all those decapitated mountains gave me a little hope and a thrown rasenshuriken should be good for at least one surprise attack before his opponents get wise to it.

I think Tsunade was being an idiot and I agree with the elders. I can't say Danzou did the right thing, because killing the toad was unnecessary but I agree with his course of action. Tsunade really was being an idiot, faith, faith, faith, yeah they should believe in Naruto more but having blind faith in people is not being a good leader. Right now they know diddly shit about Pain. So wait a bit and actually get some more info about Pain before you call in Naruto. Konoha has numbers on their side so send in some people to surround Pain's bodies, counterattack and actually assess his abilities before you throw in your trump card. If you send in Naruto right away and Pain does to Naruto's rasengan what he did to Jiraiya's ultimate rasengan and captures him, then game over.

I said this before and I'll say it again, Tsunade really doesn't make good decisions. I guess thats why she is so bad at gambling, she should have learned by now that you don't go all in from the very beginning. Tsunade likes to gamble which is okay, but more often than not she loses and this is one time they can't afford to lose.

Anyway I think Danzou has a plan and I want to see what he has up his sleeve.

[Death BOO Z]

With all these bad guys posing as anbus, you'd think that someone will start suspecting something..

I know that ANBU have uses for their masks, but seriously, it's ridiculous that everybody can pass as an anbu and wreck mayhem with the mask.

however, we still need to consider the possibility of a double set-up, maybe someone is just pretending to be Danzou. my first suspicion is Qunan, but I need to figure a motive for her not to want to bring Naruto to the village. so the next suspect is Kabuto, who is very good at ANBU disguises, maybe he wants the village to be destroyed so he could use Naruto to kill\weaken Sasuke so Oro could take over.

I'm really disappointed that Danzou is a bad guy.

[Abdula]

What is wrong with you guys, is the idea that Danzo killed the toad to prevent Pain from getting an opportunity to capture the Kyuubi just too simple an explanation for your tastes. Must there always be some conspiracy? Anyway I've said all I'm going to say about that.

[DB_Hunter]

Because if you read the manga, across Danzou's face it says "Danzou's secret plot!!".

That's why it is a conspiracy.

Have to admit that Danzou being Madara or somehow connected to Madara may not be so far fetched. Afterall, he hates the First Hokage and therefore Tsunade, but no explaination is given this hatred other than the line that he likes to do things in a different, more violent way.

[Abdula]

Because if you read the manga, across Danzou's face it says "Danzou's secret plot!!".
But we've seen that before haven't we?:rolleyes:
In fact doesn't it say: Danzo's secret plot 2 (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/17/):p

[DB_Hunter]

Those look like exclaimation marks to me, albeit shit ones. Still, its a plot nontheless.

[Assertn]

Wow... totally disregarding the similar age lines and trying to de-proof something that isn't really that important anyway:rolleyes:
What similar age lines? We only saw part of Madara's face once, when he was talking to Sasuke, and he didn't look remotely like Danzou.

[Archangel]

Take that senile bastards, the hokage is the boss here so shut the fuck up and obey her.

So kakashi has been messing with the raikiri too, up yours sasuke :D

Throwing the rasenshruiken... how predictable

Danzo did the smart thing btw, and any sane person who wasn't aware that naruto is the main character and therefore cannot die would do the same thing


Something for the Madara is Danzo groupies to think about - Here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/04/)

Why would he add himself to sasuke's target list?

[rockmanj]

Just because its predictable, doesn't mean that throwing the rasenshuriken is a bad thing; it actually makes sense.

[poopdeville]

Those look like exclaimation marks to me, albeit shit ones. Still, its a plot nontheless.

So Danzou is plotting to keep Naruto away from Pein and Akatsuki. Damn, that bastard.

(Yeah, killing the frog dude was lame, but that's why it has to be a secret)


Why would he add himself to sasuke's target list?

There's always the potential for learning/gaining more Sharingan hax if they fought.

Madara: "Haha, I was Kakashi all along!"
Sasuke: "KAKASHI! <burning sound effect> My eye!"

Not that I agree with the theory that Madara is Danzou.

[Idealistic]

Madara: "Haha, I was Kakashi all along!"


LOL... damn dude... that made me laugh so hard for some reason.

[Gundorado]

it looks like Danzo and Madara could be brothers to me. I mean has anyone else noticed Danzo is missing his right eye, and Madara may only have a right eye as far as we know at this point. could Madara have taken only one of Danzo's eyes?

[Archangel]

it looks like Danzo and Madara could be brothers to me. I mean has anyone else noticed Danzo is missing his right eye, and Madara may only have a right eye as far as we know at this point. could Madara have taken only one of Danzo's eyes?

In every flashback we've seen Madara with 2 MS, besides the statue on the valley of the end also has 2 eyes, so i don't think that's the case.

[digitalrurouni]

I was always under the impression that Madara had 1 eye and the other was given to Kakashi...

[Elessar]

Not every villain was Obito in his previous life.

[Archangel]

Not every villain was Obito in his previous life.

Or so you say

[Assertn]

Madara is Tobi is Obito is Mizukage is Danzou is Kakashi is Hattori Hanzo is Gatoh is Raidou is Tazuna is Kurenai's unborn baby is 4th tail Jinchurriki.

What, you guys didn't know that?

[Archangel]

I suspected it

[itadakimasu]

If that's the case, then the rumor about Danzou being an Uchiha is true. Except he's not another Uchiha, he is The Uchiha.

BTW, the title of the next manga is "Kakashi's hope" - could it be Gai? lol

Thats what I was thinking when I saw kakashi in this chapter. I was imagining Gai coming to his rescue and them teaming up (and possibly failing) against pain.

[Uberbaka]

You know why Gai isn't there? Because he's really Madara.

I never really thought about Danzou's eye until now and it makes me very worried regarding "major revelations".

What I don't like about Narutos new jutsu, ie blowing the shit out of mountains, is the fact that he doesn't need to blow the shit out of mountains... He normally needs to kill one person in front of him.

Meh.

[DB_Hunter]

That's kind of what I was thinking... he just needs to suck less at avoiding someone else's attacks and actually connecting with his. This new move just seems to be trying to overload the opponent rather than using a clinical strike, which is what a ninja should be doing.

[rockmanj]

Yea, but remember, Naruto has his own way of the "ninja", which includes being loud and an showoff. Sure, he should be all stealthy and use precise techniques, but we all know, that's not like him at all. So I guess, if he's gonna go that direction, he go balls to the wall (at least, that's what I think Kishi thinks).

[FullMetalAlchemist]

Doesn't look like he blew up a whole mountain, it looks like he cut off the tops of it so im guessing alla destucto disk, he can throw the resenshuriken or another wind technique he just learned.