Toaru Majutsu no Index

[Buffalobiian]

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4589/13333of1.jpg

* Based on a light novel series by Kamachi Kazuma, illustrated by Haimura Kiyotaka.

Alternative title:
A Certain Magical Index
とある魔術の禁書目録（インデックス）

Genres: action, drama, fantasy, science fiction


Set in a city of scientifically advanced superhuman students, but in a world where magic is also real. Toma Kamijo's right hand, the Imagine Breaker, will negate all magic, psychic, or divine powers, but not his own bad luck. One day he finds a young girl hanging on his balcony railing. She turns out to be a nun from the Church of England, and her mind has been implanted with the Index-Librorum-Prohibitorum - all the magical texts the Church has removed from circulation.

-AniDB-

Sites: ANN Encyclopedia, (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10044) AnimeNfo (http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,4337,tuwdue,toaru_majutsu_n.html), AniDB (http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=5975), syoboi (http://cal.syoboi.jp/tid/1487/time?Filter=ChUser&Filter2=All) Official Website (http://www.project-index.net/)

Episode 1: [AoShen] To Aru Majutsu no Index 1 HD.mkv.torrent (http://forum.anirena.com/viewtracker.php?action=download&id=14911)

[NeoBear]

man is it just me or does alot of this new stuff seem to have really high production values this show could be awsome i really love the OST hope i can pick up bits of it soon

also i love Index and Naoko-san are so cute Viva the Loli >.<

[TheBladeChild]

I believe its because more and more animes in Japan are being broadcasted in HD, and the anime industry in general doesnt want to have its anime, which looked fine in cable, look crappy in HD.

[Kraco]

Ahhah! We got a most excellent choice here:

Episode 1 HD - Eclipse-m.3.3.w (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse-m.3.3.w%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2001%20(1280x720%20h264)%20%5b678AB4A6%5d.mkv.tor rent)
Episode 1 SD - Eclipse-m.3.3.w (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse-m.3.3.w%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2001%20(XviD)%20%5b93356754%5d.avi.torrent)

I watched AoShen's version already but it's pretty much a nobrainer which sub I'll be watching from now on.

[animus]

I enjoyed this pretty much. When we were first introduced to the railgun girl it suddenly clicked. I read the first 2 chapters to the manga "To Aru Kagaku no Railgun" awhile back and I had no idea these two were related. Good to know.

[Yukimura]

I liked this a lot more than I thought I would. The main characters power is interesting in that it actually has a drawback (balance is always fun). And I found the humor surprisingly fun. I've always had a soft spot for delayed reaction clothes disintegrations.

Hopefully this show will go somewhere interesting, though I don't think we can hope for it to go somewhere all that new.

[DDBen]

I enjoyed the first episode of this quite a bit. Its definitely one of the series I'll be picking up. Given seeing that Eclipse/M.3.3.W. were subbing it made me instantly download episode 1 and I wasn't disappointed at all. Never taunt a guy into showing you he really can blow up your clothing ;).

[RyougaZell]

Okay.... I have a new character to add to my harem of favorite characters... Misaka Mikoto...

[Marik]

[AoShen]​ To​ Aru​ Majutsu​ no​ Index​ - 02​ HD.​mkv (http://forum.anirena.com/viewtracker.php?action=download&id=15150)

[AoShen]​ To​ Aru​ Majutsu​ no​ Index​ - 02​ HD.​avi (http://forum.anirena.com/viewtracker.php?action=download&id=15151)


[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 02 (XviD) [D07C4DAC].avi (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2002%20%28XviD%29%20%5bD07C4DAC%5d.avi.torrent)

[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 02 (1280x720 h264) [B4690E27].mkv (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2002%20%281280x720%20h264%29%20%5bB4690E27%5d.mkv .torrent)

m.3.3.w has withdrawn from the joint due to unavailability of .ts sources for them

[animus]

The AoShen subs are absolute garbage, but whatever.

This series really feels like Shana (a good thing). A lot of contrasting blazing reds, and ice blue's make for a really nice effect ala Shana.

[BioAlien]

[/I][/B]m.3.3.w has withdrawn from the joint due to unavailability of .ts sources for them

I'm just glad Eclipse is still subbing it.

[The Heretic Azazel]

I'm enjoying this show as well. Index seems like an interesting character, and being a loli nun is just too cool. Mikoto is a bad bitch as well, and I love how they animate her creating/disrupting electrical flow.

I was waiting for there to be a drawback to his power for a while. I do not want to see Touma raising his hand in the air during every fight for however long this series is going to be. That said, it was clever of him to trip the sprinkler system and give Steele a good old fashioned knuckle sammich.

[Buffalobiian]

Like Yuki said, balance is always good. Touma's got a potent power that's difficult to harness, and won't work in all situations. Not a one-power-owns-all, he'll have to use his brains when the time comes, and that's what makes this show enjoyable. Index rebooting really shows how she's really just a storage device - something impossible to imagine from her cheery, loli self.

[Kraco]

Index seems like an interesting character, and being a loli nun is just too cool.

Agreed. I'm still not too sure how cool the main character is, but since he didn't run, I think I'm liking this series quite well.

[NeoBear]

lord i love the OST

hmm not to derail the thread there used to be a site i went to for anime ost's, all i can remember was it had a very basic look with the background being black and all the text being like a teal color, anybody have any clue or anything they recommend?

[animus]

Maybe this one? Gendou's Anime Music (http://gendou.com/amusic/)

[NeoBear]

Maybe this one? Gendou's Anime Music (http://gendou.com/amusic/)

thats the one thank you bro i owe you =)

[Munsu]

Just watched the first two episodes, and I'm really enjoying this so far. Though he whole nullifying ability aspect has occured many times before, I think this is giving it an interesting take. Just as he might be overpowering against some things, that he can nullify things can make him weaker against others. I also like that it's an involuntary thing, and how it affects even his normal daily life with "unfortunate" accidents, etc.

We'll see how it goes, if they can keep the action well animated and interesting, I think the plot can take care of itself.

[Munsu]

Episode 3 by Eclipse:
http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2003%20(1280x720%20h264)%20%5bAC578F83%5d.mkv.tor rent

[Buffalobiian]

Hmm....you just can't get away from comparing this show with Shana. Fuzetsu anyone? It was good to see some background info, though I'm sure this won't be the end of it (info feeding). It's also interesting to learn that magic, the means of untalented people to use supernatural powers, also has its drawbacks in the form of destroying the user.
The flame magician confused me. Is he saying that he used to house the 103K books?

[NeoCybercoin]

No I think he was talking about Index her peacefull little life.

[Munsu]

No I think he was talking about Index her peacefull little life.
Well, he made some allusions to have suffered to some extent the same as Index has. This doesn't mean that he used to have the grimoires, but I'm sure that the Church or whatver did some things to him just the same as they did to Index. They use them to further they own agendas for the "greater good". Things should be revealed in time.

[Alhuin]

Hmm....you just can't get away from comparing this show with Shana. Fuzetsu anyone?

I thought the same thing when that happened.
Ironically, the opening theme is done by Mami Kawada, who also did several OP/ED for Shana.

[RyougaZell]

Episode 3 was very 'meh' on my opinion. I just hope the anime staff also cover the 'Railgun' side of the story, and not just the 'Index' one.

[Yukimura]

Cute loli is cute, cute loliform teacher is cute, hot girl with randomly missing pant leg is hot, typical main character is typical.

I'm finding the supporting cast funny/cute/sexy enough that I'm hooked into this series. I feel like they might have messed things up by saying the church team isn't going to get reinforcements but I suspect other factions will come after Index to keep the antagonist cast from stagnating too much.

[animus]

Episode 3 was very 'meh' on my opinion. I just hope the anime staff also cover the 'Railgun' side of the story, and not just the 'Index' one.

They might make another anime for it, since there's a seperate manga dedicated to her.

[Marik]

[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 04 (1280x720 h264) [1288BEE4].mkv (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2004%20%281280x720%20h264%29%20%5b1288BEE4%5d.mkv .torrent)

[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 04 (XviD) [E861F941].avi (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2004%20%28XviD%29%20%5bE861F941%5d.avi.torrent)

[animus]

Good episode. The information revealing was a little random, however.

I just realized that Kaori's voice is also voice by Wilhelmina from Shana.

[Kraco]

That was quite a lot of essential information, though it's yet to be seen how much of it was true (at least the male mage was so evil it's hard to believe he would be anybody's friend). Although the swordswoman didn't look like she was lying - or she was just quite an actor. In any case it's a tough dilemma now for Touma: Will saving Index's memory endanger her or not.

[animus]

I really enjoy the OP's song, very Shana-y.

[RyougaZell]

They might make another anime for it, since there's a seperate manga dedicated to her.

While I would love that, I don't think they will, since Toaru Kusaka no Railgun is more of a sidestory than a full fledged story, that is why I hope they show episodes based on that.

At least I can't wait to see if they show some of Mikoto books of Index's side of the story.


Episode 4...
Dunno, I don't really liked it. Sure, the information was great, but I find Styl and this girl very idiotic. 'Oh noes, we can't bear to see her smile anymore, so lets follow her and make her believe we want her dead!'

That is pure BS... if Index's knowledge is so precious, why didn't Neccessarius lock her down in a place where she doesn't learn new things or somewhere they can delete her useless memories when its needed,,, instead of freeing her where other enemy factions could get the information of the grimoires out of her?

I am thinking that the only way for her to remain with Touma will need for her to forget the grimoires,,, and no one is gonna be happy with that.

[Board of Command]

I just realized that Kaori's voice is also voice by Wilhelmina from Shana.
That was the first thing I looked up when Kaori started talking. It turned out I wasn't mistaken.

[Buffalobiian]

I am thinking that the only way for her to remain with Touma will need for her to forget the grimoires,,, and no one is gonna be happy with that.

Or to kill her perfect memorisation ability. Popular opinion tells us that humans use 11% of their brain, while Einstein used 12%. Index can use all 100% of hers, while only 15% is spare for daily use. That amount is more than sufficient if only she didn't keep remembering useless information like the shape of a googleplex of rain drops she sees over a year. So somehow, Touma will have to find a way to to "reorganise" her brain properly, without touching or removing the grimoires.

What I'm confused about right now is why Touma is reluctant to let them erase Index's memories. I would have thought the best course of action is to do it this year, then spend the next thinking up a solution with her former friends. Not allowing them to reset her, yet having no plan to save her otherwise seems like simply shortening Index's life so she can simply keep her memories for a little while longer.

[Munsu]

I don't think Touma has that much of a problem with them erasing her memories. He has a problem of how they are going about it. Sure he might not like it, but if it's to save her life he has no choice. He simply feels they could've handle it better. He questions the motives of why these guys are doing it this way... they make it sound that it's for Index's benefit, but Touma calls their BS since it's really for their benefit that it is being handled this particular way.

[Buffalobiian]

That's what I thought when he was talking to Kaori. He was saying their method of pretending to be her enemy so they "did have to see her smile" was BS and inconsiderate, right? He suggested that they should have spent time with her, and make her realise that even if her memory's erased, she'll have better, warmer ones the year after anway, right?

Then in the preview Touma says "I'll get you out of there", which boggled me.

[RyougaZell]

That's exactly what bothered me of this episode. Their method is pure BS. But I really don't see a way for Touma to get out of this.

[animus]

This would really all be much easier if they had Index in Robot Mode just type all these grimoires out and upload them to a database >_>

[Yukimura]

Shhhhh animus! That would make too much sense. Storing 108,000 books in the brain of a cute loli is far more useful as a story element then having them all stored on a magic hard drive.

I really felt for Touma this ep, he really had no chance of winning that fight except for taking a shot and appealing to Kaori's humanity. I was expecting someone to come save him at the last minute though, I"m not sure I like the way it actually turned out as much but at least it wasn't exactly what I was expecting.

[Kraco]

Popular opinion tells us that humans use 11% of their brain, while Einstein used 12%. Index can use all 100% of hers, while only 15% is spare for daily use. That amount is more than sufficient if only she didn't keep remembering useless information like the shape of a googleplex of rain drops she sees over a year.

Unfortunately that's nothing but BS, though. The brain is one of the energy hungriest organs of the body, and while these days food is (too) plentiful in many parts of the world, in the past it wasn't so nor it is so everywhere in the world even today, and there's not a snowball's chance in hell that evolution would have develop a high energy organ that only runs at 12% efficiency.


I really felt for Touma this ep, he really had no chance of winning that fight except for taking a shot and appealing to Kaori's humanity. I was expecting someone to come save him at the last minute though, I"m not sure I like the way it actually turned out as much but at least it wasn't exactly what I was expecting.

I actually liked it quite a lot, which surprised me tremendously because normally I'd hate it when the good guy talks endlessly to the bad guy during a fight. However, something about this just clicked. Maybe the fact he really didn't have a chance and had to do it, like you said, making it much more plausible, and also the way he appealed to her. It showed he honestly cares for Index, and it wasn't a lecture as much as calling their BS, yet without offering some better uber solution, which would have been unrealistic considering he knows next to nothing about the situation.

[BioAlien]

Aww, I was actually looking forward for a flashback of Index/Stiyl/Kaori's relationship like in the manga... Instead we got a long conversation between Touma and Kaori...

[The Heretic Azazel]

Unfortunately that's nothing but BS, though. The brain is one of the energy hungriest organs of the body, and while these days food is (too) plentiful in many parts of the world, in the past it wasn't so nor it is so everywhere in the world even today, and there's not a snowball's chance in hell that evolution would have develop a high energy organ that only runs at 12% efficiency.

It doesn't run on 12% efficiency, memory retention is only one duty of the brain.

The conversation in this episode was way too long and emo, but I'm pretty happy where the story was going. Must be tough to have your memory erased every year. I wonder, though, how she remembers that they do this. They must tell her what they did after it happens each time.

And it's looking more like I was right about Touma constantly waving his hands in the air to fight. I hope that gets less annoying, since everyone is finding ways around it anyway.

[RyougaZell]

They might make another anime for it, since there's a seperate manga dedicated to her.

I still have my doubts... but after finding this promo bag's picture... I can only hope it is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/RyougaZell/wecallherrailgun.jpg

Notice:
- Anime screens
- Title 'A certain Magic Index Spin-Off' add in the lower corner.
- The damn kanji I can't read which has the TV legend.

EDIT:
Found another picture. Can someone translate it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/RyougaZell/Railgun.jpg

[BioAlien]

If it's true, that's great, but I doubt it will air at the same time as To Aru Majutsu No Index, as it may confuse some people.

[Buffalobiian]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/RyougaZell/wecallherrailgun.jpg

TV(something) decided<-last two Kanji

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/RyougaZell/Railgun.jpg

TV (something) latest news included?<-last 6 Kanji
Names of two staff/characters?
Dream (something)
[A certain scientific railgun?]
Premiers!! <- All three Kanji.

Unlike Ryouga, I can only guess-read the Kanji.

Maybe between use we can work something out? ;)

(or someone can just translate it for us :p)

[Marik]

[Nipponsei] To Aru Majutsu no Index OP Single - PSI-missing [Kawada Mami].zip (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20To%20Aru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index% 20OP%20Single%20-%20PSI-missing%20%5BKawada%20Mami%5D.zip.torrent)

[Munsu]

アニメ is "anime" in katakana.

So, TVアニメ is TV anime.

Then, after the anime title, you see an SS... which usually is used to mean Second Season... if I had to guess. Like Da Capo SS. Or it could be Side Story.

とある魔術の禁書目録 <-- Toaru Majutsu no Index according to anidb.

とある科学の超電磁砲 <--- according to mangaupdates, this is the title for Toaru Kagaku no Railgun... same as the poster.

[RyougaZell]

Buff:
At least you can guess them. I can't even do that...

Munsu:

My guess for SS would be Side Story since its already on the first picture.

A Certain Magical Index and A Certain Scientific Railgun... two opposites sides in which Touma gets drawn into.

Anyway... since the title of Magical Index is besides the Tv Confirmation of the first picture, plus that I found out that the cover of the 2nd Railgun manga has those images... I can discard the 1st picture...

Don't know about the second one though. I can't find any information about it anywhere... and the source of the picture is animepaper, so now Im having second thoughts about its validness...

[Buffalobiian]

I have no clue when it comes to hiragana or katakana though. Kanji's the only thing I have a chance at.

So "A certain scientific railgun" is a spin off from Index, similar to the Tomoyo Special from Clannad?

[RyougaZell]

As far as I know (without going into details so I won't spoil anything...) A Certain Scientific Railgun details some events from Misaka's POV, which happen between the time Touma fought her and then met Index. Unlike A Certain Magical Index which is on Touma's POV... Railgun follows Mikoto.

[Board of Command]

OP has been released by Nipponsei. Grab it on their IRC channel.

https://nipponsei.minglong.org/packlist/distro/

[animus]

OP has been released by Nipponsei. Grab it on their IRC channel.

https://nipponsei.minglong.org/packlist/distro/

Marik already posted it on post #45 =(

[Board of Command]

Oh oops. I thought he posted an episode, not the song.

[Alhuin]

Definitely my favourite OP of the season.

[Yukimura]

While I really liked Mami Kawada's OP songs for Shana and Shana II, PSI-missing just feels like it's missing something, especially in the TV version. When I listen to the TV version I keep expecting the song to make a dramatic upward shift at the end of the crescendo sequence but instead of shifting it just flattens out. It feels like such a shift could/should happen at about :52 in the OP version and/or at about 1:02. The music has been building leading up to those points but then bleh, the excitement is allowed to dissipate without capitalizing on the potential.


I'm comparing to things like ~1:07 into the TV version of Joint (Shana II OP1) where the music builds to a more 'explosive' point and then the song puts out even more energy than it was before for a while. Another easy comparison is to Hishoku no Sora (Shana OP1). There she does a similar thing, not fulfilling the promise hinted at by crescendos. However, Hishoku no Sora keeps the pace and energy pretty high throughout so the crescendos are less pronounced, and the absence of climactic shifts at their ends doesn't leave one feeling so under-energized. The PV verision of PSI-missing doesn't feel like it suffers quite as heavily from this (especially the second verses crescendo) so hopefully the CD version won't either.

[Buffalobiian]

While I really liked Mami Kawada's OP songs for Shana and Shana II, PSI-missing just feels like it's missing something, especially in the TV version. When I listen to the TV version I keep expecting the song to make a dramatic upward shift at the end of the crescendo sequence but instead of shifting it just flattens out. It feels like such a shift could/should happen at about :52 in the OP version and/or at about 1:02. The music has been building leading up to those points but then bleh, the excitement is allowed to dissipate without capitalizing on the potential.


I'm comparing to things like ~1:07 into the TV version of Joint (Shana II OP1) where the music builds to a more 'explosive' point and then the song puts out even more energy than it was before for a while. Another easy comparison is to Hishoku no Sora (Shana OP1). There she does a similar thing, not fulfilling the promise hinted at by crescendos. However, Hishoku no Sora keeps the pace and energy pretty high throughout so the crescendos are less pronounced, and the absence of climactic shifts at their ends doesn't leave one feeling so under-energized. The PV verision of PSI-missing doesn't feel like it suffers quite as heavily from this (especially the second verses crescendo) so hopefully the CD version won't either.

Spot on. For that very reason, Ame sounds better despite it suffering from the same flaws, mainly because it's even less upbeat, allowing you to hear it as an "easy-listening" piece without expecting something dramatic.

[digitalrurouni]

Thanks for that link for that album! I am really liking the PSI-Missing song!

[Kraco]

Contrary to a popular belief, Toaru Majutsu no Index episodes are made of more than just the OP:

Episode 5 HD - Eclipse (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2005%20(1280x720%20h264)%20%5bA62C46FD%5d.mkv.tor rent)
Episode 5 SD - Eclipse (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2005%20(XviD)%20%5b8BB57ECE%5d.avi.torrent)

[digitalrurouni]

Downloading it already thanks for the link Kraco. Now if Kurozuka 04 gets released today as well that would make my day :)

[RyougaZell]

The episode was quite good, but I can't shake the feeling they were dragging it.

Stiyl calling Touma a 'monster' just cause he is an ESPer made me lol... specially since he is a Magician...

[Kraco]

I think this was a good episode. You say they were dragging it, but I think this slowish progress was very much needed to create suitably the feeling of helplessness Touma was feeling and the morbid sense of dark obligation those two magicians have been experiecing year after year.

[digitalrurouni]

I agree with Kraco. I got no complaints about this show well maybe the loliness but I can live with it.

[Kraco]

Loliness? She's quite perky but hardly a loli...

http://forums.gotwoot.net/gallery/files/9/7/6/2/perkymage.jpg

[animus]

The episode was quite good, but I can't shake the feeling they were dragging it.

Stiyl calling Touma a 'monster' just cause he is an ESPer made me lol... specially since he is a Magician...

I thought he called Touma a monster because of how Touma wanted to find strangers or drug her to find a cure that didn't work, or something.

[MasterOfMoogles]

I'm pretty sure he called Touma a monster because of his right hand.

[digitalrurouni]

Loliness? She's quite perky but hardly a loli...

http://forums.gotwoot.net/gallery/files/9/7/6/2/perkymage.jpg


Present company excluded!! :)

[NeoCybercoin]

Overal slow episode but I am still liking every second of it. Never thought the seal would be in her mouth. Thing this is the first time I have seen that happen in a anime. Besides Glutonny's Homonculus mark. It's funny how that in all of those 103.000 Grimoires there isn't a single one with has information about Touma's right hand. Really looking forward to the next episode.

[RyougaZell]

Why would there be info of Touma's hand in there? Touma's power is ESPer based... while the grimoires only cover Magic (Majutsu) and not 'Science' (Kagaku) as Touma refers to their power...

Index already said it... the 'normal' people developed magic since they didn't have ESP powers.

BTW... the part of Touma seeking what places he had not touched was priceless...

[animus]

I thought it was funny how nearly all of those hospitals he called didn't have receptionists. Sure it was late, but they have people that work late shifts, people's lives depend on it.

[David75]

I thought it was funny how nearly all of those hospitals he called didn't have receptionists. Sure it was late, but they have people that work late shifts, people's lives depend on it.

I guess there's an emergency phone number that can redirect you whenever you have a medical emergency. And when you call, they have direct lines to the right places.


I remarked something:
This is the first time Touma's hand is hurt by something magical/esper. Everything that was only power with no physical support, never had any effect on that hand.
And there, just touching the seal he starts bleeding and is hurt, even "lightly"... well there's a bit too much blood, but lightly.

Also the seal isn't totally destroyed, meaning it's also very strong.

So here we have two ultimate powers confronting, touma will have to be clever to use his hand the best possible way without having his advantage fading away.

[Marik]

[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 06 (1280x720 h264) [5FDB0E01].mkv (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2006%20%281280x720%20h264%29%20%5b5FDB0E01%5d.mkv .torrent)

[Eclipse] Toaru Majutsu no Index - 06 (XviD) [4BB8A003].avi (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bEclipse%5d%20Toaru%20Majutsu%20no%20Index%20-%2006%20%28XviD%29%20%5b4BB8A003%5d.avi.torrent)

[Kraco]

I'm not sure I like this talk about vampires the end of the ep had. Surely this serious could have gone on without them. Especially when they come out of nowhere. Of course they needed to have something on the table now that poor Index was saved (and Touma got his brain broiled), but did it have to be vampires? I'm a vampire fan, but not a fan of having vampires in other stories just for the sake of having vampires.

Well, I hope I'm proven completely wrong and they are integral to the story (or don't exist at all, and this is just some plot).

[RyougaZell]

Im completely annoyed with this episode, specially the ending.
I was waiting patiently for the 'next arc', and it wasn't the one I wanted to see.
Meh!

[Nadouku]

Nice episode, great animation as usual, but it was awesome to see Index unleash her defenses at Touma. Supercomputer mind. :D

I like seeing how their relationship formed so fast compared to most of the other animes, aka Index loves Touma after like two episodes and Touma resolves to protect her. I hope the next arc will be as enjoyable.

[Kraco]

I like seeing how their relationship formed so fast compared to most of the other animes, aka Index loves Touma after like two episodes and Touma resolves to protect her.

Yeah, that was a very positive aspect. It's true normally in shounen shows such words aren't spoken before the last episode if ever. Along the same lines the hospital scene was also executed very well. Touma just playing around and not becoming emo. And it seemed to be true indeed what he said: Even if he had forgotten all about Index, he apparently hadn't lost his feelings (heart) for her (mushy mushy).

[animus]

Uh, is it me or was Touma running at the 7 minute or so mark for a very long time in his sensei's VERY VERY VERY small home? He's like running in a long hallway, when it's in fact 2-3 feet...

[shinta|hikari]

I was thinking the same thing, but it is not uncommon for anime shows to make an action that takes less than a second last for an episode or so *cough** slam dunk *cough*.

[Nadouku]

Uh, is it me or was Touma running at the 7 minute or so mark for a very long time in his sensei's VERY VERY VERY small home? He's like running in a long hallway, when it's in fact 2-3 feet...

I found it to be a dramatic scene, but there is another question in my mind: Why did the teacher take so long to take a hot bath, and leave Touma alone, knowing those two magicians will come back?


I was thinking the same thing, but it is not uncommon for anime shows to make an action that takes less than a second last for an episode or so *cough** slam dunk *cough*.

Reminds of Naruto when the 3rd Hokage held Orochimaru for like... three episodes? :D

[Buffalobiian]

I just got tired of Touma's lecture. It was good at first, but was it really necessary to go for a full minute?!

Other than that, the episode was pretty decent. I'm a bit disappointed at St George's Sanctuary, I have to say. Out of all those 103 000 volumes and making the menacing, black aura, it ended up being a laser beam. I was expecting something...more. From last episode's preview, the way they said "St George's Sanctuary puts more distance between me and Index than ever", I thought it was going to be something smart, like a space-time warp so Touma couldn't touch Index's program.

Touma losing his memory was an interesting touch, and was written rather well. We witness Touma and Index's feelings for each other, but we won't have to go through another "do you remember me?" episode, and the battle didn't turn out to be a Everybody-walks-out-unharmed bullshit. I liked it. Even the slightly sad tug.



As for the vampires, they're not unwelcome. I just hope they pull them off as really mysterious, shady occult beings rather than simply vicious animals, or just humans with fangs.

[digitalrurouni]

Uh, is it me or was Touma running at the 7 minute or so mark for a very long time in his sensei's VERY VERY VERY small home? He's like running in a long hallway, when it's in fact 2-3 feet...

Haha yeah I was gonna say the exact same thing and that annoyed me to no end!

[Munsu]

I'm still enjoying the series, and looking forward to where the series is going, but man I'm really really getting tired with the long monologues by Touma. Usually in shounen series has these types of heroes, but man this guy's are unusually long.

Anyways, I wasn't expecting that he himself would lose his memories... I think it's a good move by the series. A good surprise. Once again I'm liking the whole aspect of his power, which gives him bad luck.

[Marik]

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[Kraco]

A good episode. Touma is covering nicely his memory loss, but the difficulty of unexpected circumstances was executed well. Still, now that Index isn't anymore dying and they aren't active chased, there's visibly less heat in Touma and Index's relationship. Well, maybe it was partly due to this particular episode, but it shows Touma lost some of his heart in addition to the factual memories. Makes sense, but it's a bit sad at the same time. Let's hope he will grow to like Index again as much as he did before, even if being aware of his memory loss will make him more doubtful of any action and development, trying to compare it to what he thinks he once had.

Plot also seems to be proceeding nicely.

"Let's move on. There's nothing here, just a corpse..." The fire mage has a proper attitude. Haha.

[RyougaZell]

Ugh... the episode was plainly idiotic thanks to Index.
What happened to her being cool? Just because she was saved she acts like a brainless idiotic loli?

The episode would have been better if it didn't had so many idiotic moments...

And when I started to like it... it ended. The corpse scene was the best of the whole episode. Why wasn't anyone able to see it? I mean... Touma's hand is not uberpowerful to let him see through illusions... does it? Or does that mean everybody in the building is under the power of the Alchemist?

Frankly I just see this show to see Mikoto's story... Index is such a letdown of a character in my book...

[Nadouku]

So far, we've seen about four groups of entities: Espers, Magicians, Vampires, and Alchemists. That is, if vampires are counted as a separate group and not just a general term to coin people with.

As for the episode, pretty good, especially when Index brought home the cat. It pains me to see Touma suffer from pretending to be himself, but at the same time, not himself. At least he hasn't lost his sense of humor and trust in her, for the very least.

[Kleitan]

Nice episode, great animation as always. Liking Touma's character.

[Buffalobiian]

The pregnant thing made me laugh. Pregnant loli, haha...........okay, maybe I should stop thinking about now. :)

Alright episode this time, as itw as pretty much a setup for the battle to come. Leaving Innocentis behind would be a heavy loss though, since it's pretty much Styil's trump card.

[Kraco]

Ugh... the episode was plainly idiotic thanks to Index.
What happened to her being cool? Just because she was saved she acts like a brainless idiotic loli?

Uh... Nothing happened to her? I don't see any discrepancy in her character. It's understandable she's a bit different after she isn't dying anymore because of a curse and isn't hunted by two magicians anymore. If there's something wrong with her character, it's because you expected her to be what she's not.

[RyougaZell]

To be fair... you are correct.
I blame myself for thinking she could be a better character.

Anyway... now I know (without spoiling) why the arc I wanted was not the next one... this vampire episodes take place on the 2nd novel, which was skipped on the manga. The next arc, which is the one I want, is the 3rd novel.

Seeing how many episodes each novel is taking... I don't think will get to see the 16 novels animated. I wonder if we will get a 2nd season or more later on...

[Munsu]

8:
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[Nadouku]

Now Index is kidnapped... again! What will our heroes do now?

I just like how the fire mage uses Touma as his shield, and his behavior overall. Be interesting to see how well the next episode goes, judging from the previews. :D

[Buffalobiian]

-I'm totally confused. The managed to spend the whole episode talking about the alchemist without telling us what he's trying to do, besides the general comment "he's trying to save someone".

-Index again plays damsel in distress, and I can't say I like it. I'd much rather she played a more supportive role with all her knowledge as Touma comes to grip with everything that's happening around him, even cast a spell or two.

Next week seems like a pretty bloody fight, so I'll look forward to that. Hopefully they'll disclose more about Izzard. His powers to simply issue commands seems like the ultimate gea-, umm, magical hax.

[RyougaZell]

For someone having perfect memory, even if those memories are just 1 year old, Index seems brain dead... to charge directly inside a territory she detects has unknown magic...

I kinda enjoyed the episode until Index-damsel-in-distress came forward... and I don't understand that miko girl... is she or not on Izzard's side? Or are her memories being manipulated? I think the latter.

PS: I want Mikoto...

[Kraco]

I join your chorus of disliking Index's role in this. While it's totally believable she would be thoughtless enough to enter the suspicious building, it's still annoying her role was reduced to such an object and Touma's actions dictated by trying to rescue her (gee, I think I've seen this plot somewhere before). It would have been much better if Index had remained out of the picture like she was supposed to, and Touma had decided to march in simply to kick some ass.

[DDBen]

Forget the fact she's often reduced to a damsel in distress I might not like it but I can live with that for now. The real question is who randomly brings a cat with them to go find out where Touma is?

[RyougaZell]

The kitty brought to a battlefield is convenient. You can always send if to get help. Like Index did. *sarcasm*

[Buffalobiian]

I don't understand that miko girl... is she or not on Izzard's side? Or are her memories being manipulated? I think the latter.

She seems to be in a co-operation with Izzard. He provides her with shelter, while she uses her ability for his research, with the condition that no killing results from it. Izzard supposedly wants to save someone, and the miko's all too happy her powers are being used to save after all the killing she's done. I'm not sure about memory manipulation done by Izzard, but it does look like she has no memory of when she kills people.

[Marik]

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[Marik]

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[Kraco]

It was a badass fight, I have to say. A very interesting yet believable way for a high-level alchemist to fight (or operate) as well. Touma's approach was quite a reckless one, but it affirms my belief that despite his lectures he's still one who can make things happen if necessary. Yet Index got a very flimsy role again. Almost hard to believe her name is in the series name when she's hardly more than an object in the background...

[Nadouku]

That was a pretty awesome fight. That Alchemist just literally slices Touma's arm off, and Touma just walks to him like nothing happens. It kind of worried me when Touma started acting crazy, but having Stiyl be stripped of his skin was pretty cool. I wonder who'll get influence by Index next, since she seems to have a lot of partners throughout her life.

[Kraco]

I wonder who'll get influence by Index next, since she seems to have a lot of partners throughout her life.

I don't think that's very relevant anymore now that her memory reset days are over. She can stick to ol' Touma as long as Touma can survive the craziness attracted to her...

[digitalrurouni]

Err looks like I really should be grabbing the torrent :)

[Nadouku]

I don't think that's very relevant anymore now that her memory reset days are over. She can stick to ol' Touma as long as Touma can survive the craziness attracted to her...

Indeed. Also, the next arc looks promising, since it features Misaka. :D

[RyougaZell]

I must say I am very pleased with this episode. It totally saved the 'arc'. The fight was fantastic, very well animated, very well developed.

Although I was afraid for a moment... seeing a repeat of the first arc with the alchemist being a previous partner of Index. Guess he DID crack when it happened, unlike Stiyl and the other chick.

And next episode is what I've been waiting for since episode 1. The return of Mikoto!! (*stares at her Mikoto 1/8 Model*)

LOL Kraco... you are correct about the series name... unlike A Certain Scientific Railgun, which focuses on Mikoto, a Certain Magical Index seems to be more centered on Touma than on Index. Or rather... the story revolves around what Index is and has done, until now, having Touma being the star...

[Buffalobiian]

Jolly good fight. Izzard's ability is both awesome and flawed, the way things should be. It seems all forms of "magic" in this show has one weakness or another, while those naturally gived Espers are free to use that power all they want (with a tactical weakness, rather than a fundamental one).

Ms Deep Blood, on the other hand, was somewhat underwhelming. The way she doesn't remember killing anything, and how the bodies were arranged in her flash backs suggested that she had some sort of subconscious predator instinct that activates when a vampire approaches. The way they die on contact, with no awesomeness on her part, just makes her a walking version of this:

http://www.mosquito-control.eu/images/mosquito_trap.jpg

[DDBen]

Like the rest of you I was all set to hate this arc I cringed when vampires were brought up and then.... This episode came along and ended the arc with a awesome fight and really kept everything moving nicely with the truth of if vampires even exist left until later.

I love episodes like this that exceed my expectations by and am really looking forward to what else this show has in store for me in the future.

[RyougaZell]

I have a question...

How come Stiyl lost his skin and then appeared like nothing happened, while Touma got his arm ripped off and re-attached? I thought he didn't really lose it after seeing Stiyl... THAT confused me.

[animus]

I'm thinking his thoughts were going out of whack, and he just imagined Stiyl normally grabbing what she longed for most, Index away fine and dandy. I guess those things he uses to pierce his neck clear his thoughts to focus his reality bending to words only?

When that whole thing was going on I kept thinking, "He's gonna reveal that he doesn't bend reality, he just bends illusions!".

[Buffalobiian]

I have a question...

How come Stiyl lost his skin and then appeared like nothing happened, while Touma got his arm ripped off and re-attached? I thought he didn't really lose it after seeing Stiyl... THAT confused me.

That's because Stiyl was directly affected by his Ars Magna. His direct commands were "float in the sky" and "shred to pieces". In other words, Stiyl's damage was caused by none other than Izzard's "thought".

Meanwhile, Touma can dispel any direct commands on him by touching himself (connotation not intended). That's why Izzard manifested a weapon instead, then told it to "fire the rotating rifle blade" or something. He aimed the shot at Touma's right arm, without actually commanding it to hit.

So when Izzard come to the conlusion that his Ars Magna has lost it's power, he'll think that everybody currently under the influence of it will be freed.

Or it could be as simple as animus said, he simply thought about Stiyl being back to normal.

Edit: rewatching that part, animus' reasoning makes more sense. The line of events where:

"My Ars Magna has lost its power"
"Wait..don't think that. If you do...(pause and imagines something)"
(Izzard opens his eyes in shock, looks up and sees Stiyl)
"Stop thinking....!!"

The most reasonable explanation was that he thought Stiyl would turn back to normal as he thought through the consequence of having his Ars Magna dispelled.


I guess those things he uses to pierce his neck clear his thoughts to focus his reality bending to words only?

When that whole thing was going on I kept thinking, "He's gonna reveal that he doesn't bend reality, he just bends illusions!".

The pain from his skewers clears his mind of unnecessary thoughts, allowing him to concentrate. Ars Magna brings the alchemist's thoughts into reality. In other words, he must have confidence, thinking he can actually do something for it to work. Secondly, he'll need to have a single train of thought, for it to create exactly what he wants, without creating anything else that might cross his mind.

Him putting his thoughts into words just helps him concentrate on that one thought.

[digitalrurouni]

What you said Buffalo makes sense...I just could not get all that from the anime episode I guess.

[Kraco]

Yeah, it was one of the most clever fights I have ever seen in anime. Usually there isn't that much to understand in fights, but this was certainly different.

[RyougaZell]

animus & Buff:
Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand.

BTW... can't wait for Sunday... I need my Mikoto dose...

[Kleitan]

Neat episode, visually awesome and good planning. Can't wait for next episode.

[Marik]

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[Nadouku]

Quite a refreshing episode, gave out a few laughs. The power difference in "Accelerator" seems too great for the MISAKA clones, but hopefully, Touma can save one of them.

I don't think I was spoiling.

[RyougaZell]

Nadouku... edit that comment before others see it. You are spoiling.


The episode I've been waiting forever has arrived. Any scene involving Mikoto is a win for me...

Loved her weird 'blush' while at the soda dispenser.

LOL at Touma seeing the underwear of Mikoto and sister.

LOL at the Cat and the fleas...

[Buffalobiian]

Nadouku... edit that comment before others see it. You are spoiling.

I read it....:(

Well, this arc seems slightly confusing, but I'll tag along with it.

[Everon]

Clones now....really? They're just throwing out every phenomenon and idea out there so Touma will get a harem.

[animus]

Loved the creepy laugh MISAKA-bot gave after naming the cat Inu.

[Nadouku]

I read it....:(

Sorry to dirty your eyes Bill! :(

[Kleitan]

Good episode, hope they keep up the good work.

[RyougaZell]

A twin figure of Misaka Mikoto and Misaka Imouto is going to be released in march... likewise a figure of Kuroko. I think I'll get them both (or three?)

There are also figures of Index and sword-girl, but... not interested.

animus:
Oh yeah... that scene with the names for the cat was fantastic. Misaka Imouto's laugh was great.

Anyway... seems we FINALLY get to the scientific part of the story. I mean... we began with it, explaining about the Espers and the Academic City, and suddenly we were thrown to two full arcs involving Majutsu...

At the rate this series is going... I think 5 novels (out of 16) will be animated. I hope the series does well enough yto guarantee future seasons, so more of the novels get animated.

[Kraco]

I don't mind Misaka (plus clones) appearing but this series is starting to resemble one of those pot foods prepared by a no-cooking-skills anime girl where you have all manner of ingredients floating around and no harmony what-so-ever. I'm sure it's not supposed to be like that, but Everon has a valid point: This is nothing but mindless harem building unless they try to have all the people do something sensible, Index being the prime example.

[RyougaZell]

Take into consideration this is based on a series of Light Novels. And every novel has its own story.

For instance... episodes 1 to 5 where the first novel. 6 to 9 are the second novel. Episode 10 began the 3rd one, which features the second co-heroine mostly.

Despite the series having the name 'Index', the main character is Touma, and the two co-heroines are Index and Mikoto. It just happens that Mikoto didn't have really much to do, sans the 'prologue' (first episode)

Mikoto became so popular she got her own manga in the 'A Certain Scientific Railgun' series, where Kuroko is the co-star. Touma appears as well, but Index doesn't.

[Kraco]

I see. I guess it can't be helped then. Thanks for the info.

[RyougaZell]

A translation of the 1st Novel's prologue. The scene where Touma sees Mikoto at the bridge, prior to meeting Index for the first time. Lots of info not seen at the anime though.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1698539&postcount=4

[Marik]

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New ep.

[Nadouku]

Ouch, what a cruel way to kill someone. Good episode, expands on the explanations of the clones. I hope Touma can stop all of this madness. :D

[Kleitan]

Awesome episode. This arc is looking sharp.

[Kraco]

I wonder how the dude's clothes stay on him. He said his skin is autorepelling everything, so his clothes should be slipping off all the time. What a plothole. Actually he shouldn't be able to walk, because he would be reflecting the ground below his feet (though in reality he would repel himself up because you can hardly push the ground anywhere unless you are standing on thin ice or something). In fact, how can he breath, because he should be pushing off the air that approaches his mouth?

And funny wind power plants they have there... If it's not windy, they will apparently suck electricity from the grid. Whoever designed them should be fired and soon.

It was an entertaining enough episode, though, even if the parts with Index & co were really purposelessly slapped on and only so that nobody would forget them.

[Marik]

It was an okay episode to me. This Accelerator guy, seems to be quite the unbeatable foe. I would like to see more background info on him, to see how he obtained such a power. Index didn't get much screen time, which to me is a plus. I prefer Misaka Mikoto, so I'm liking this arc. Also Himegami = win.

[RyougaZell]

The epicness of the episode went down a bit with the idiotic Index scene.

Wow... just wow. The arc is as great as I expected. I wouldn't mind a harem of Misaka clones.

Kuroko Shirai is a great character... I love her jealousness, and how she glomped Mikoto's bed.

A fact that was left out, when Touma found the notes, was why Accelerator is killing the clones. I will not state what it is, in case it is revealed next episode.

Oh yeah... another scene that was left out was Mikoto hugging the weird bear Touma found. This should have happened last episode.

[Buffalobiian]

The science side of things is definitely more tense, will less explanations and more well-paced action.

As for the Accelerator's vector-change plothole, it could work out if he can assign functions to various items. That way, he could tell it to disregard his clothes, shoes etc, but any foreign objects not previously assigned will be "reflected" by default. Kind of like a firewall.

Having that ability would make him immensely, if not overpowered though. Unlike him, Touma doesn't have an off-switch for his arm, and has to think his way through situations to utilise it, or get around its weakness. That's what makes these fights interesting.

-Selfish Miko hogging all the meat made me lol.

As for MISAKA clones....I wonder if they all wear different underpants :p

[RyougaZell]

Hands off. Mikoto and her clones are mine :p

[Kraco]

Having that ability would make him immensely, if not overpowered though. Unlike him, Touma doesn't have an off-switch for his arm, and has to think his way through situations to utilise it, or get around its weakness. That's what makes these fights interesting.

Yeah, that must be how it works, for it to work at all (without a plothole). However, I think it reasonable, if things are indeed like that, that Touma should be able to develop his power sufficiently to create an on/off switch, at least to a degree, and also the other way around: to have the ability also elsewhere than just his right hand. It wouldn't make much sense if Touma's power was 100% fixed while others can control theirs as much as they want. That would be nothing but another plothole.

[shinta|hikari]

Not really. Power levels and conditions for its use are not sufficiently elaborated. It may very well be possible for some people to have 100% fixed powers. Touma would be way too overpowered otherwise.

[Kraco]

Touma would never be overpowered. He can't do anything against anything but magic and other mystic (or scientific like this series calls them) powers. Take a pipe and hit him in the head, and his powers will be good for nothing, unlike this Accelerator fellow or Railgun's powers. Or if somebody's powers allow them to accelerate a physical object to high speed, Touma can't do anything about it, because it's not anymore magic but simple classical momentum he would be fighting against. Or make a structure collapse on him. You can't really be calling that overpowered. And especially since his own power has zero attack strength, and only grants a surprise factor once against an opponent with half a brain.

[David75]

Touma would never be overpowered. He can't do anything against anything but magic and other mystic (or scientific like this series calls them) powers. Take a pipe and hit him in the head, and his powers will be good for nothing, unlike this Accelerator fellow or Railgun's powers. Or if somebody's powers allow them to accelerate a physical object to high speed, Touma can't do anything about it, because it's not anymore magic but simple classical momentum he would be fighting against. Or make a structure collapse on him. You can't really be calling that overpowered. And especially since his own power has zero attack strength, and only grants a surprise factor once against an opponent with half a brain.

Yes, I think the confrontation will be very interresting against that guy.
In fact they're almost similar, to me that guy has near zero attack power too, but is used to use it.
He can't do anything against something with no vectors... be it energy, momentum etc...
You could say they are both very high in defense, but it should produce nothing if both of them can't produce any attack.

Regarding touma's oponents having no brains, maybe, but since that hand is so good at eliminating any paranormal power, it's hard on a powerful oponent to accept and change drastically their way of attacking in order to crush Touma.
In the last fight we also get the feeling Touma has incredible recovery abilities, it seems it was limited to his arm... but who knows? Maybe there's a key here... eventough he didn't recover from his memory loss...
Why do I stress that point? well after all he didn't burn when he was in innocentis furnace. I understand his hand can absorb that power, but not on all sides, does it?

Last but not least, Touma may be very smart when he's in battle mode, but that can't be helped since he is the main character and needs a way to win or survive at least.

[Kraco]

Regarding touma's oponents having no brains, maybe, but since that hand is so good at eliminating any paranormal power, it's hard on a powerful oponent to accept and change drastically their way of attacking in order to crush Touma.

That is indeed very true and also very realistic, and it allows Touma to survive a little longer than he otherwise would. But it's not really a surprise factor anymore, it's just something hard to accept and adapt to to the opponents, but nevertheless the opponents will be much more cautious already even if they still try, in vain, to use purely supernatural attacks.

[Buffalobiian]

He can't do anything against something with no vectors... be it energy, momentum etc...
You could say they are both very high in defense, but it should produce nothing if both of them can't produce any attack.

True, but Accelerator can easily create something like momentum and use his "defense" as "offense", such as throwing a rock in mid air and kicking it. Since vectors are composed of both magnitude and direction, "vector change" can effectively cause anything moving to fly with a speed and direction of his choice.

Actually, it doesn't even have to be moving. Even objects at rest are under constant acceleration (gravity) downwards, meaning anything he touches can effectively be accelerated towards something else.

This guy is officially overpowered.

That is, unless he has some sort of limit, like if he can only apply one "function" at a time, leaving an opening for Touma to think out an attack with his Imagine Breaker.

One other point that'll need clarifying is how this "vector change" is used. Is it simply applied on contact, and moves without intervention afterwards, or does his skin leave a "constant change" effect for the duration of its flight path?

Reason I say this is because it's critical to whether Touma can counter it with his Imagine Breaker. If Accelerator's esper powers are only applied once, then he can do nothing but dodge. However, if Accelerator's effect is lasting (ie, the "vector change" can only be applied once, but then has to actively maintain the changed vector), then a touch with Touma's hand will return the object to its original vector.

e.g: If a rock that hit Touma's hand was thrown at Mach 3 using Vector Change, if case 2 applied, then upon hitting Touma's hand, it would slow down to the point as of it was thrown normally (physically) by Accelerator.

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Hands off. Mikoto and her clones are mine :p

Keep the clones. Just leave me the pants :p

[David75]

Well he was conscise enough while talking about the vector change.
To me it was clear he only acts as a miror, he can change some parameters.
Maybe I was wrong before, to me he only changes directions, but not intensity, energy, velocity.
He can choose any direction, and he set that to reflection as default. He's some kind of universal miror.

I wonder what Imagine Breaker can do with it. What would be an inversion of the Imagine Breaker if we suppose the Imagine Breaker doesn't just anihilate the Vector power. Then what will happen of the power if Touma can actually touch him too... I suppose that would deactivate the power.

[shinta|hikari]

I think he can only change direction, not speed. If Touma manages to get a hold of him, Touma will just beat the shit out of him like he did everyone else he fought.

Being able to neutralize every mystical attack on all sides at will is not overpowered? Teach him how to use a gun (a real one) and he will be.

[RyougaZell]

Touma's esper power is classified as Level 0 not because he is useless, mostly because his power cannot be detected. Remember he nullified Mikoto's attack on episode 1, and she is supposed to be the 3rd strongest Level 5 esper.

And its a power that works on its won, nullifying anything. See Kuroko trying to teleport him, with no ill intent, and it didn't work.

Accelerator is the strongest Level 5, so he must be able to control his power, so he doesn't die by repelling oxygen.




Keep the clones. Just leave me the pants :p

No way. Keep Index, Kaori and the loli-sensei.

Mikoto, her clones and everything about them is mine.

PS: later I'll post a picture in my room, but I bought this last month:

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[Marik]

Nice, dude! How much did that cost ya? Oh, by the way, Himegami > all.

[animus]

Sphinx is probably my favorite character so far.

[David75]

Touma's esper power is classified as Level 0 not because he is useless, mostly because his power cannot be detected. Remember he nullified Mikoto's attack on episode 1, and she is supposed to be the 3rd strongest Level 5 esper.

And its a power that works on its won, nullifying anything. See Kuroko trying to teleport him, with no ill intent, and it didn't work.

Accelerator is the strongest Level 5, so he must be able to control his power, so he doesn't die by repelling oxygen.



No way. Keep Index, Kaori and the loli-sensei.

Mikoto, her clones and everything about them is mine.

PS: later I'll post a picture in my room, but I bought this last month:


He's considered level 0 also because his attack power is 0, 0 being the attack power of your average human being.

That let's me think that the accelerator must have something else up his sleeves than just his Vector direction modification... or he'd be level 0 too.

Other questions:
Why having young teens with powers and the ability to kill/attack?
What is the society they live in?
What is the source of their power, which parts of sciences did develop to give them these powers and why?

For the magic world we know, and somehow we get the idea that science and magic are equal in power allowing for some kind of balance or coldwar beetween them.
That's all we know I guess.

Back to Touma, he had trouble with the cutting strings and swords girl, because her attack was mainly physical. Touma escaped thanks to his wits.
His hand proved some limits with the spell that was threatning Index, his finger got injured by magic only, which never happened before, and didn't after. So some level/types of magic can actually work on it. It's not necessarily a threat now, but could be in the future.

Regarding his powers, wits and recklessness, Touma ressembles Kuzumi Taiga from Mx0 a lot. Everything else is quite different.

[RyougaZell]

Nice, dude! How much did that cost ya? Oh, by the way, Himegami > all.

6600 Yens

My Mikoto at my room
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[animus]

He's considered level 0 also because his attack power is 0, 0 being the attack power of your average human being.

That let's me think that the accelerator must have something else up his sleeves than just his Vector direction modification... or he'd be level 0 too.

Other questions:
Why having young teens with powers and the ability to kill/attack?
What is the society they live in?
What is the source of their power, which parts of sciences did develop to give them these powers and why?

For the magic world we know, and somehow we get the idea that science and magic are equal in power allowing for some kind of balance or coldwar beetween them.
That's all we know I guess.

Back to Touma, he had trouble with the cutting strings and swords girl, because her attack was mainly physical. Touma escaped thanks to his wits.
His hand proved some limits with the spell that was threatning Index, his finger got injured by magic only, which never happened before, and didn't after. So some level/types of magic can actually work on it. It's not necessarily a threat now, but could be in the future.

Regarding his powers, wits and recklessness, Touma ressembles Kuzumi Taiga from Mx0 a lot. Everything else is quite different.

No I'm sure Level 0 was not finding Touma's ability, because I'm sure the Teleporting Girl isn't classified as a Level 0.

[shinta|hikari]

True. It is absurd to rate powers solely on their attack power anyway.

[RyougaZell]

I was going to explain somethings... but then I deleted it... it was further explained at A Certain Scientific Railgun, but would be a spoiler... as its the series precuel...

Kuroko's level, Accelerator's power, etc.

[Buffalobiian]

I guess I was taking "vector change" a bit too literally. I guess we shall see, but I think you guys are right.

Other questions:
Why having young teens with powers and the ability to kill/attack?
What is the society they live in?
What is the source of their power, which parts of sciences did develop to give them these powers and why?

They live in a city based entirely on science. The whole city is an academy for all these young people with supernatural powers, known as espers. They're born with their powers, but given (as far as we know). If we think of it as something genetic, then these powers have a scientific root to them. They're gathered there to put their powers to use, as well as learning to use their powers (safely?).

Normal, powerless people can obtain these supernatural powers artificially by means of magic. These are people who obtained power, while espers are those born with power. Scientific or magical, both can be regarded as "supernatural" powers.

[NeoCybercoin]

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[Kraco]

That was a strange emo episode. Would have made somewhat more sense if Touma had suggested he will help Railgun to stop Accelelator. A kind of a strange approach to simply try to make her dream crumble without any option offered instead. Although not necessarily a bad one as such. Basically he was forcing Mikoto to rethink the decision and her own values. Not a very effective solution and quite a painful one no doubt (for both of them) but perhaps it will open a road to a more lasting change of thinking.

[RyougaZell]

While it was indeed a bit emotional like Kraco said, I think it was a fantastic episode with a different pace as of yet.

Chibi-Mikoto was adorable.

And Touma receiving so many electric shocks must have been painful. I guess his power really isn't protecting all of him as one would thought when he cancelled Kuroko's teleportation even thought she wasn't touching his right arm.

Don't miss the scene after the ending and before the preview. It was kinda weird they did it like that since no other episode of this series has.

And Mikoto cried at the end...

[Kleitan]

Depressing episode, but still good. Mikoto is lovable.

[Nadouku]

I think Touma and Mikoto should hook it up. They would make a great couple, bickering over each other and having battles as they go along the way. :D

As for the episode, nice feeling to it. I like how Touma just takes all of her attacks just to hear her say "Help me" (if he's even thinking of that). He's really a tough son of a bitch. :p

[Xelbair]

Touma got his Badass stat increased by over 9000.
Awesome ep, bit emo true, but it gives possibility for so much plot lines(fighting, running, love, random mages encounters, or some kind of plot twist). Look how he changed from well, failure to such badass - taking hits from Mikoto, Fighting Aureolus Izzard(only i think that it sounds like Wizzard?) etc.

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Woot - 200 post! rank-up!

[Buffalobiian]

I certainly didn't find the dialogue dragging, but perhaps only because I like to see the chemistry between these two. It seems kind of out of place that they showed scientists wanting to learn about Mikoto's electricity control for medical purposes, only to have the following airtime dedicated to her being cannon fodder for Accelerator. Judging from that, I'm inclined to think somehow Touma can convince them that the previous experiment is the more worthwhile or something.

Other than that, looking forward to an action episode next week (hopefully).

[David75]

I still think his power works for his whole body, only that its weaker there, so the protection is not as good as when his hand shields him.

Also, in time, his power may grow and he is able to have a sphere around him that anihilates anything paranormal. I don't know if they'll take that route as in the end he could well extend his ability to say a whole city...

Regarding his fighting style, it remains the same:
Have the other guy to attack him full force, anihilate every attack to destabilize them. They're so shocked they do not think of simple ways to strike him.
In that case, she could take any metal bit, have it heated up to a point of fusion and accelerate it to near light speed: increadible cannon. The fusion bullet would go through Touma without any deceleration...
But right now, she's too preocupied by the fact her powerful attacks can't get to him

[shinta|hikari]

The reason why Touma could not be teleported is because his right hand is part of his body. Anything supernatural is negated by the hand, thus the teleportation that involves the hand cannot work.

The flames and the like that he negated before despite the fact that they should have engulfed him can be explained by how he stopped the beam Index fired. The size of the beam should have passed through his relatively miniscule right hand, but it was stopped completely. This means that energy attacks can be absorbed by his right hand as long as it makes contact, which means that the flames and the like were completely negated the moment his hand touches any part of the energy aimed at him, much like a vacuum.

If he was attacked by 2 beams from different directions and his right hand can only touch one of them, he should get hit by the other.

Accelerator should be Touma's worst enemy, since all accelerator's power does is to redirect objects (I am assuming he cannot alter the speed, since nothing has been shown to prove otherwise). The object itself should contain no supernatural properties, so even a stone hurled at the right speed should be able to take Touma out. But then again, if Accelerator cannot control the speed of the object, and Touma does not have any active attacks aside from punching, it seems like it will end in a stupid stalemate, unless Accelerator is smart enough to bring a gun with him.

[RyougaZell]

I certainly didn't find the dialogue dragging, but perhaps only because I like to see the chemistry between these two. It seems kind of out of place that they showed scientists wanting to learn about Mikoto's electricity control for medical purposes, only to have the following airtime dedicated to her being cannon fodder for Accelerator. Judging from that, I'm inclined to think somehow Touma can convince them that the previous experiment is the more worthwhile or something.

Other than that, looking forward to an action episode next week (hopefully).

Actually... I think they just told her that so she would accept having her DNA copied. That is... they never intended to user her cells to help people.


One little fact from the episode no one seems to have catched on.

Mikoto said that the central machine... that is... the satellite... was destroyed and no one knows how. My guess its that it was Index's spell from the 1st arc.

[David75]

Actually... I think they just told her that so she would accept having her DNA copied. That is... they never intended to user her cells to help people.


One little fact from the episode no one seems to have catched on.

Mikoto said that the central machine... that is... the satellite... was destroyed and no one knows how. My guess its that it was Index's spell from the 1st arc.
I noticed it, but didn't mention it as for now it didn't seem to be of much importance, eventhough it affected Mikoto's choices and strategy, by actually helping a little bit

[Kraco]

But then again, if Accelerator cannot control the speed of the object, and Touma does not have any active attacks aside from punching, it seems like it will end in a stupid stalemate, unless Accelerator is smart enough to bring a gun with him.

How is that a stalemate? Touma walks to Accelerator and punches lights out. End of story. Accelerator would never have a chance since he would be expecting Touma's punch to be reflected, but instead it would hit him full force. Unless the dude is not only powerful but also very intelligent and cautious and never takes anything for granted, suspecting foul play all the time. But honestly it didn't look like that when he fought the clone.

[shinta|hikari]

The assumption of that statement was a direct match with full disclosure, meaning both are aware of each other's powers. I did not account for underestimation or outside help (like Mikoto assisting Touma) since I was merely comparing their powers.

[Xelbair]

Just cast a spell, intense heat on spot where he is, if he reverses it it will be extreme cold and he will freeze, if not he will burn, then let Touma finish him off.

[David75]

Just cast a spell, intense heat on spot where he is, if he reverses it it will be extreme cold and he will freeze, if not he will burn, then let Touma finish him off.

as far as we know, his power changes a direction in a vector. I guess your idea doesn't fit with what we know now.

[Xelbair]

He said something about changing any property while fighting one of Sisters.

[Kraco]

Just cast a spell, intense heat on spot where he is, if he reverses it it will be extreme cold and he will freeze, if not he will burn, then let Touma finish him off.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Heat doesn't have an opposite (reverse value) in cold. The starting point is absolute zero with no thermal energy. Anything up is heat, and anything down doesn't exist, because if it did, the absolute zero would be moved there by definition. So, you can't take some arbitrary temperature perceived as hot by humans and then take another random point of considerably less heat energy and name it the opposite.

[Xelbair]

depends on what point is zero, in kelvins - true, but meybe there is temperature lower than absolute zero - but we haven't found it(something similar to anti-matter). if you use Celsius scale(or Fahrenheit) it will have effect that i mentioned above.

[shinta|hikari]

Wow, you completely missed Kraco's point.

Absolute zero means zero energy. Even in Celsius or Farenheit there is an absolute zero point, where it cannot go any lower. Only the label changes.

[Buffalobiian]

Just cast a spell, intense heat on spot where he is, if he reverses it it will be extreme cold and he will freeze, if not he will burn, then let Touma finish him off.

It would work normally if you think about it like this:

Example: Projectiles
1) Projectile hits skin with "x" vector
2) Skin absorbs the vector, projectile has zero momentum
3) Skin redirects vector back, projectile fires with "x" vector, but in a different direction (-x vector)

LIkewise.
Example: Directed Heat
1) Heat hits skin with "x" vector
2)Skin absorbs vector, heat has zero direction
3) Skin redirects vector back, heat moves in the opposite direction.

Accelerator won't freeze because while he's removing heat from his skin, he has the heat there already, just with zero direction (hence harmless as it doesn't penetrate the skin). Hence, if the air temperature on the surface of his skin is 24 degrees C, The introduction of heat would elevated it to 24+ "x". His skin will remain at body temperature, since he absorbs the vector, hence stopping the heat from moving inside of him. Then he reverses the heat, and 24+ "x" - "x" becomes 24 again.

[Xelbair]

You all seem to miss the part of my post. Possibility of discovering similar to anti-matter anti-energy, which would allow this to happen.

[Kraco]

You all seem to miss the part of my post. Possibility of discovering similar to anti-matter anti-energy, which would allow this to happen.

Disregarding the fact this anti-energy of yours doesn't sound anything similar to anti-matter (which produces our regular energy in annihilation), I don't think it's really relevant to this series to scrap our current view of the universe just so that Accelerator could turn heat into cold... Why, he just reflected bullets as they were and didn't turn them into anti-matter bullets like your theory would assume. He didn't even produce positrons out of electricity.

[David75]

You all seem to miss the part of my post. Possibility of discovering similar to anti-matter anti-energy, which would allow this to happen.

Alas, science is trying to be very precise. Eventhough we are in animeworld, the shift in rules tend to remain true to the first set given.
Unless they state differently, for the moment they never mentionned anti-energy.
And that thing doesn't exist in reality, when anti-matter does.

[Nadouku]

I'm guessing that's why Accelerator's hair is white? His ability seems to also block melanin, which would explain his ghostly appearance.

[Xelbair]

Ok you made your point, but if he reverses vector and there is no value lower than 0 then its like lest say heat of 10000C gets reversed x -1 = therefore we get -10000c but there is no such heat(absolute zero is -273 or -272 celsius degrees? will take -272) so we get 9728 degrees lower than absolute zero. but there is no heat lower than absolute zero therefore we get to take this value (-9728K) and make it like |-9728K|, so we take absolute value, which gives us 9728K, but accelerator would still be changing its heat "vector", it will continue until it reaches absolute zero. therefore he will freeze.

Don't kill me for it - i just stopped playing GH4 drums... and drumsticks eat our minds.

[Buffalobiian]

Okay, let's do this:

1)Accelerator's skin: 0 degree C
2)-Accelerator's skin: 0 degree C ..............<<<--------------9000000 degree heat (vectored towards him)
3)Accelerator's skin: 0 degree C (9000000 degree)(heat has no direction, simply adsorbed at skin)

....[insert vector change -9000000]

4)Accelerator's skin: 0 degree C ..............9000000-------------->>>(opposite direction)



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I think where you're getting confused, Xelbair, is the difference between vector "change", and "opposite vector materialization".

Accelerator changes an existing vector, therefore the magnitude already exists. Something goes to him. He stops it. He sends it back.

Your idea would mean he makes whatever comes to him disappear, as if nothing happened. Then he recreates an opposite vector from existing material, then fires it.

Heat works the same way as if you threw a rock at him.

Rock flies at him
Rock stops at his skin
Rock flies back.

He doesn't make the rock disappear, then recreate a rock from his skin to reflect, leaving him with (body mass minus rock), just like your freezing concept of (body temp minus heatblast).

[NeoCybercoin]

Instead of trying to explain it so accurately...isn't it easier to just say that he pretty much reflects anything? XD

[Xelbair]

well i mean not throwing fireball at him, but summoning fire where he is, therefore it have no movement vector, and i didn't remove body temperature - i just changed from celsius degrees to kelvins.

[Buffalobiian]

Heat will always have a movement vector if it's touching something. The transfer of heat from one medium to another itself is already the vector. The summoner mightn't have created such a vector, and intended the heat to simply be there, but by touching another medium (eg skin), heat is conducted away, hence a flow of energy, therefore, a vector.

And since it's a vector, Accelerator can resist this flow of heat, transferring any heat from the surface of his skin to whereever it came from, be it the ground he's standing on or the air around him.

I talked about the "removing body temperature" thing because you mentioned freezing

[darkmetal505]

I think change in vector just means change in direction....

Like Medusa's vector arrows from Soul Eater. It just shoots things back where they came from (or maybe a chosen path).

None of this thermo stuff though.

[shinta|hikari]

But magnitude is in fact included in the definition of vector, meaning it might include speed and energy.

[Buffalobiian]

What shinta said. Accelerator said himself he can control anything that has a vector, eg, energy, electricity etc.

[RyougaZell]

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I want to be on Touma's place at the beginning of the episode...

Mikoto and MISAKA... are mine!!

Oh yeah... another stupid scene with Index. Guess they want to show her because her name is on the title.

[Yukimura]

Accelerator is seriously OP however he's cocky as all hell which is of course why he'll lose. His horrible aim may play a role as well. I have to give Touma props though for being able to run around like that after getting zapped multiple times then running across the city (but of course this is anime so it's not really all that special.

[shinta|hikari]

The hope of getting a pantyshot of Misaka again gives any shounen infinite energy.

[Buffalobiian]

Guess he can control magnitude after all. That guy's power is overkill. How can you put him on the same level as Mikoto?

btw...what's with the similarities. Creating their own realities...Esper=Gigalomaniac?

[shinta|hikari]

It's a good thing both aired in the same season. Otherwise, the succeeding one would suffer from comparison, much like Rahxephon being compared to Evangelion.

[RyougaZell]

Guess he can control magnitude after all. That guy's power is overkill. How can you put him on the same level as Mikoto?

btw...what's with the similarities. Creating their own realities...Esper=Gigalomaniac?

We really haven't seen how they really classify the levels.

Maybe his abilities are overkill, because of the vector usage, but maybe powerwise he has just a bit more than Mikoto. Anyways... there are only 7 level 5 espers... wonder who are the other five...

[Xelbair]

It is total overkill, only possible way to kill him would be using touma's arm to hit him as hard as possible, but damn he's to smart to let someone near him.

[Nadouku]

I laughed when Accelerator was confused as to why his vector was dispelled for a second.

Great episode, going to love seeing the climax of the battle pretty soon. It looks like To Aru Majutsu no Index isn't going to air until January 10th, 2009.

More Touma x Mikoto/MISAKA! :p

[David75]

I laughed when Accelerator was confused as to why his vector was dispelled for a second.

Great episode, going to love seeing the climax of the battle pretty soon. It looks like To Aru Majutsu no Index isn't going to air until January 10th, 2009.

More Touma x Mikoto/MISAKA! :p

yup. He suffered the same symptoms as others. He goes berserk after he finds out his power isn't flawless against Touma...

The problem is that his power can give large amounts of cinetical energy to large quantities of matter. I think Touma's hand can't do anything against moving matter, because the esper cause for it to move is already gone.
Also Accelerator seems to be on the high IQ side, probably meaning why he's the strongest level 5, so it's hard to predict how Touma will get himself out of the troubles he got in willingfully.
Because Accelerator can kill him with just a small stone...

From the intro with MISAKA, I think Accelerator will play around a lot till he loses by being to full of himself. That's a very common scenario in anime.
I guess that what will save Touma is that he's maybe smarter that Accelerator.

That black cat is normal is it?

Regarding the explanation for the espers... ok with drugs reality becomes distorted... but only to those using them, and only in their heads, how come drugs enable them to change matter/energy?
Unless they are in a collective dream/alternate reality (Matrix?) I do not see how they explain those facts...

Also, level 0 isn't a single level in itself... it also comprises people for which they don't know why the procedure didn't work, and Touma is a special case.
So in Level 0 you get powerless guys/girls and some you can't classify.
Which leaves doors wide open for Touma and his speacial power.

Well whatever, we shall know a little more next ep.

[MasterOfMoogles]

It seems to me that the battle will be all about Touma trying to grab him. Once he has a hold of the guy with his right hand, he's free to beat the crap out of him.

[Xelbair]

you know what? fun part is grabbing him - have fun while doing that suicidal action.

[RyougaZell]

I laughed when Accelerator was confused as to why his vector was dispelled for a second.

Great episode, going to love seeing the climax of the battle pretty soon. It looks like To Aru Majutsu no Index isn't going to air until January 10th, 2009.

More Touma x Mikoto/MISAKA! :p

Definitely better than watching Index.

I hope a second season is announced... so we can see novel 12 animated... seeing at the pace this series is going... I think we'll see only up to novel 5 animated.

I hope someone licenses the novel and translates it to english... I found all volumes scanned... the 12 + the 2 SS, but I can't read japanese =P

[Nadouku]

Definitely better than watching Index.

I hope a second season is announced... so we can see novel 12 animated... seeing at the pace this series is going... I think we'll see only up to novel 5 animated.

I hope someone licenses the novel and translates it to english... I found all volumes scanned... the 12 + the 2 SS, but I can't read japanese =P

Very better, at this point.

I do hope so too, although I haven't read any of the light novels yet. :p

[Kraco]

The problem is that his power can give large amounts of cinetical energy to large quantities of matter. I think Touma's hand can't do anything against moving matter, because the esper cause for it to move is already gone.

Indeed, it's troublesome. A moving object doesn't have any energy as such anymore, because energy is only spend in acceleration (or released in deceleration). Of course ESP energy was used to give the speed to the object, and I do think it's somewhat fuzzy why Touma can't negate that movement as simply as he can negate Mikoto's electricity. Electricity is nothing but moving charged particles (electrons), after all, or creating the charge difference then naturally decharged. It kind of stinks of a story serving plothole.

Looks like he needs to fool the guy and get a firm grab or use poison gas, because obviously the dude needs to breath and he can't repel something he doesn't notice before it's too late (I estimate the chances for the latter option 0.1%, despite ozone).

[David75]

Your last point has me thinking that while using the dust explosion, he deplates oxygen in a large volume.
He can protect himself from the explosion, but how about the lack of oxygen he just created?
After all, they even took the time to let him explain 10032's strategy around the same idea.
He doesn't seem dumb as to burn oxygen all around him, but this may be the result of his last action.

Regarding how Touma dispells Mikoto's electricity, there's the contact idea.
I guess that since his hand is in contact with the current, his anihilator remains in contact through the stream with the esper source and can anihilate the part needed to protect itself.

In the case of the accelerator things are a lot different, since the cause for the moving objects doesn't exist anymore when the object arrives near Touma... He had the same problem with Izzard when he was throwing bullets. Eventhough we may argue these weren't real bullets and Touma could dispell them too.

Maybe after thinking about all of this, Touma will learn a way of stoping moving objects with his hand, it's mandatory for him to survive the moment the accelerator will be fed up and will trully aim at him with rails or whatever too quick/heavy for Touma

[shinta|hikari]

Touma wasted a perfectly good chance to defeat Accelerator when he slapped his hand away. If he just grabbed him right then, the battle would be over. Did he not even have a plan before coming to fight a level 5 monster? Even an elementary school kid should realize that the best tactic is to surprise the enemy, either by sneaking up to them or allowing yourself to be underestimated. But when Accelerator comes in range, he slaps him away, revealing his power in the process?

The Touma that destroyed the seals of the fire user, talked his way out of being killed by sword girl, discovered the Index's memory seal and figured out the trick behind the alchemist's power should not be that stupid.

[RyougaZell]

The Touma that destroyed the seals of the fire user, talked his way out of being killed by sword girl, discovered the Index's memory seal and figured out the trick behind the alchemist's power should not be that stupid.

He's not the same Touma, remember?

He forgot all that thanks to Index's malfuntioned spell.

[shinta|hikari]

Intelligence is not what you know, but how you use it.

Well, unless his brain damage caused his IQ to drop significantly.

[Nadouku]

I'm guessing it was because Touma was in a rush to change Mikoto's mind that he forgot to calculate a plan with information on Accelerator. Can't blame that guy though, he's always rushing into danger and doesn't even realize what to do when arriving. :p

[RyougaZell]

Intelligence is not what you know, but how you use it.

Well, unless his brain damage caused his IQ to drop significantly.

Well... Im assuming he forgot all about magic and espers... so he has had a few days to remember this.

Or as Nadouku said... he has Mikoto on his mind and its a bit distracted to think straight.

[shinta|hikari]

@RZ - He only forgot up until the Index seal incident. He remembers the Alchemist event where he performed well by figuring out the true identity of the enemy's power. You can't just say that he is confused because the enemy is using "powers" or "magic".

Unlike the previous cases where he had to get beaten up first (and get information) before eventually defeating the enemy, full information regarding Accelerator's powers were given to him this time. This includes his own powers. Add to this a relatively long period of time between learning this information and the actual battle.

Then he forgot to calculate a plan..?

And you don't call that stupid?

[Nadouku]

Well, lets just say that Touma is forgetting an important aspect before entering a fight. Desperately, he's trying to save someone without thinking clearly. Yea, that's stupid, trying to be a hero and all with that damaged body of his. And you wonder why most of the girls has the hots for him. :o

[David75]

Well, I guess that beating him too quickly with what could be considered luck isn't in Touma's plan.
He wants to show the ones behind the experiment that the Accelerator really is weak, so Touma wants to show that he, a level 0, can beat the accelerator fair and square.

Well, I guess that beating him too quickly with what could be considered luck isn't in Touma's plan.
He wants to show the ones behind the experiment that the Accelerator really is weak, so Touma wants to show that he, a level 0, can beat the accelerator head on

[Kraco]

If I try to remember his previous fights, I don't think he has ever planned anything, just reacted when things started to happen, and, fortunately for him, at that point he has had pretty quick wits. Who knows why he never plans anything beforehand, even in extremely simple situations like this when he already realised he must do something.

His power is strange, thinking about it based on this episode and the loli teacher's explanation. ESP is altering reality, so what exactly is Touma doing? Removing ESP alterations? What does that exactly mean? It means Touma has the exact same power as any esper or magician he meets, only he can't control it and it always just reverses what was done - unless that would be inconvenient for the script writer in which case his power does nothing. It's kind of boring, really. I hope they will spend time to probe it sufficiently.

[Xelbair]

Theoretically Accelerator by one mistake could destroy earth.
I think that touma won't finish him off, someone other will - some magican or something. Well he just wasted his best chance to win, and enemy knows 'bout his power. without outside help he is as good as dead.

[shinta|hikari]

Touma never planned anything because he didn't have the information to plan anything. It was either an unexpected fight, or an unknown situation.

He is supposed to be quick-witted, being able to come up with a plan the moment he realizes something. This has been shown in all of his other fights.

This time, he completely wastes a good opportunity. Making the opponent underestimate you is part of strategy, not luck. If he managed to beat the shit out of Accelerator when he slapped the hand away, the experiments should cease.

I know I am being picky, but it could have been done much, much better so easily that I am irritated why they had to present it in such a manner.

@Xelbair - That's true. If accelerator steps on the ground and changes the speed enough that it can destroy the earth, and adjust the recoil to his body towards the ground as well, the planet would be destroyed twice over.

[Buffalobiian]

@Xelbair - That's true. If accelerator steps on the ground and changes the speed enough that it can destroy the earth, and adjust the recoil to his body towards the ground as well, the planet would be destroyed twice over.

There may be a limit to how he can change vectors. Perhaps his total energy manipulation can only be equal to a certain constant times his own body mass (ie, k x mc^2 where m=his body mass) or something. Otherwise, it's just infinite power. It's like Mikoto can save the planet by providing the entire world with "clean energy".

I just don't think it'll work that way, that's all.

[shinta|hikari]

I hope so. Maybe Touma will figure out a loophole in the guy's powers.

[RyougaZell]

Is he acting rashly? Yes
Is he acting stupid? Yes

Does he have the time to plan? No

If he takes time to plan MISAKA 10032 would be dead by now... and maybe even Mikoto would have gone to fight.

Setting aside the Index incident... he was indeed thrown directly towards Lezzard... but Styl did give him information on him. He didn't plan though because he isn't a freaking genius.

And anyway... you were ranting about he forgetting what he did against Styl and Kaori... whereas the current Touma only has known Styl as a semi-ally.

[shinta|hikari]

You know, I came up with a plan to defeat Accelerator with the information given in less than 10 seconds. Anyone could, actually. It is not foolproof, nor is it complete to the details, but it sure beats slapping away the chance handed to you.

Touma had minutes to do it when he was running to the scene.

I can't believe you still think I am referring to knowledge about magic and powers when I talk about the incidents from before. I am referring to his ability to use the information, which should remain despite memory loss.

What exactly is your definition of a plan? It doesn't have to be Light or Lelouch level in complexity. It can be as simple as waiting for a chance to grab the enemy and beat him silly. When Touma approached the alchemist, he had a plan, which he formed in less than a minute when he realized the true nature of the enemy's power. It is this lack of consistency that irks me.

[Xelbair]

I would love to see fight Accelerator vs mage. I'm interested in his power to reflect - meybe magic follow other rules than normal physics and fight would not be like "I'm sooo imba and i'm gonna kill you after having fun with beating you up"...

[fireheart]

I don't know about the whole plan thing, like others said it'd probably be kinda boring if he just went in there with any kind of weapon and swung it towards the back of his head as in a surprise attack also there's no point in fighting him unless they actually fight head on. Besides he's using a lot of range attacks including those that surrounds him which making it harder for him to approach him. Also seeing as he's throwing physical stuff at him his Imagine breaker is pretty useless. Right now he pretty much just needs to get close and throw a couple of punches at him.

[Munsu]

Need input from you guys since I'm considering moving this series to the "En Fuego" section for the last 9 episodes. Please discuss here:
http://forums.gotwoot.com/showthread.php?t=15913

[Ryllharu]

His power is strange, thinking about it based on this episode and the loli teacher's explanation. ESP is altering reality, so what exactly is Touma doing? Removing ESP alterations? What does that exactly mean? It means Touma has the exact same power as any esper or magician he meets, only he can't control it and it always just reverses what was done - unless that would be inconvenient for the script writer in which case his power does nothing. It's kind of boring, really. I hope they will spend time to probe it sufficiently.According to the Alcoholic Chain-Smoking Loli's explanation, normal Espers are able to choose what type of candy comes out of the box (or whether the cat is dead or not). Instead of the result being an unknown until the box opens, Espers guarantee the outcome. Affecting enough of those minute changes lets them shift reality enough that they create a power.

Mikoto presumably distorts the precise location of an electron, and another and another. The electrons rub together and align until she generates sufficient electromagnetic engeries. Similarlly, Accelerator distorts something as minute as the spin direction the subatomic particles (basis for Schr&#246;dinger's Principle). Stacked together, he controls where and how fast they are collectively going. Someone like Kuroko (played by the lovely Satomi Arai, Sayoko in CG) with teleportation probably shifts the judgment on the precise location of her composite particles and associated ones around her until, *Poof* she's somewhere else.

Magic does this all by violating physics just the same, only using the divine to do the dirty work that Espers do subconsciously. Magic seems more like a conscious will driving the same guarantees that Espers accomplish unconsciously. Magicians always beseech intervention to their benefit (or their opponent's misfortune). Index's Walking Church supposedly used to accomplish the same thing as Touma's ability, but in addition consciously didn't allow shifts that would harm the wearer, explaining why physical attacks like Kaori's also should have failed.

Touma on the other hand forces the choice back into the box. He recreates that uncertainty, rendering both magic and ESP abilities useless. That's why he doesn't have any power without something being used against him. That same uncertainty always exists outside the influence of an Esper, so he normally doesn't affect anything. But when Mikoto blasts him with a lighting bolt of modified electron locations, he just ensures that their locations are again unknown, and the effect is dispelled. Perhaps his bad luck is, like Index claimed, just a side affect of him cancelling out the standard level of benevolence the divine imparts on all human beings. When all is uncertain, things just happen as they will (for comedic effect).

[Kraco]

Something about that bothers me, which is why I wrote what I did. It's probably the weak link (in your theory) between these ESP powers and the reality. Moreover, you can't return the uncertainty once the power has been used already because that has become the real reality already at that point. It would make sense he could render someone unable to use the power when touched, but it doesn't make sense an already altered reality could be returned to the "normal" state. Well, that seems to be the case with Accelerator and the shit flying around, but Mikoto's case still fights againt this in my opinion. Also the fire used by Stiyl, The Fire Mage.

There seems to exist a discrepancy between how matter and energy are treated in this series.

[Ryllharu]

I have to disagree, mostly because everyone is so shocked that his power works that way. It absolutely makes no sense that Touma reinserts the uncertainty of the world, but that is why I strangely find it to be the most plausible explanation given Lolita-sensei's explanation behind the science. That's why Espers are so confused by the effect, because most of them probably know the science too.

I don't think it actually is returning to a "normal" state. Just a different uncertain state. That appears "normal" enough to the observer, hence the cancellation of the altered reality. Nothing is reversed, just, "returned to the inside of the box."

With Mikoto, Touma's ability just makes a jumble of everything again. Lighting (one of her abilities) is created when all the charges in the air align to make a column. The negative charge in the clouds then shoots down this column to the positively charged object (in this case, Touma). Touma jumbles the alignment of column right at the level of his right arm (since he can only affect it locally), so the effect is only cancelled in his immediate vicinity, and disperses around him as electricity might normally. He replaced that uncertainty about the alignment of the charged particles right near him, shooting the electric discharge off in all directions through a disorganized field. Her normal blasts work the same way, so they are cancelled the same way. However, her railgun is different, and she intentionally missed him, and is why he avoids Accelerator's projectiles. Can't stop what is already been done, as we saw when Touma's arm was sliced off.

I agree with you on the fire for the most part, but fire is just plasma in fluid form, and can be affected by the same particle phyiscs. So Touma could theoretically cancel the fire itself. As for the heat which would already have been created...Touma would be incinerated either way, I agree there. But that is one of the abilities of a magic user, we aren't supposed to understand the science behind that.

EDIT:

Okay, I've worked out a plausible explanation for the heat too. If magic is just divine intervention on the same level of an Esper, then Stiyl's (or any other Esper's abilities) come from reversing the laws of thermodynamics among others. They are [B]reducing[B] entropy (simply described as the disorder/randomness of a system, which always increases). Touma is just replacing that entropy taken out. This would reduce the heat created by the flames as well by reversing the system Stiyl's magic creates.

[fireheart]

To lazy to check if it's already been mentioned but where you guys aware that Stiyl was only 14 years old?

Ryll: Don't quite think that works with the heat since the heat surrounds him more than just one way, which means his hand shouldn't be able to cancel out all the hot air. The same should go for all the lightning bolts as well if he only cancels out what he's touching unless it's got some kind of range and cancels the whole distorted reality that he touches. Besides they haven't properly explained his imagine breaker anyway so they'll probably do it at some point.

[Buffalobiian]

Well, them talking about how Esper powers are really the user's distorted reality,
Imagine Breaker suddenly makes sense. Imagination Breaker would make more sense, but it's close enough.

[Munsu]

I added this series to the En Fuego section. This thread will remain here until the next episode is released, but feel free to create other discussion threads in the En Fuego section. Enjoy.

[Buffalobiian]

So the next episode will mean a new thread titled Toaru Majutsu no Index: 14...in General Anime? Or En Feugo?

Edit: I get it now. Soul Eather: 38 explained everything.

[Munsu]

When episode 14 comes out, create a thread in General Anime called Toaru Majutsu no Index 14. Once that happens a me or some mod will move this existing thread to the En Fuego section.

The En Fuego section should also be used for any other type of discussion you guys might be interested in that is not episode specific, like Super Powers, OST, etc.

Hopefully this system will be good and promote better discussions. We'll see after a couple of weeks or so.

Edit: Instead of using the full title of the series 'Toaru Majutsu no Index' to name new threads, we'll simply use the tag 'Index:'. It'll be easier for people creating new threads, plus it works better as it regards the 'Latest Post' view/

[Munsu]

Touma wasted a perfectly good chance to defeat Accelerator when he slapped his hand away. If he just grabbed him right then, the battle would be over. Did he not even have a plan before coming to fight a level 5 monster? Even an elementary school kid should realize that the best tactic is to surprise the enemy, either by sneaking up to them or allowing yourself to be underestimated. But when Accelerator comes in range, he slaps him away, revealing his power in the process?

The Touma that destroyed the seals of the fire user, talked his way out of being killed by sword girl, discovered the Index's memory seal and figured out the trick behind the alchemist's power should not be that stupid.
He was scared shitless for his life at the moment... he clearly felt overwhelmed. Nothing to do with stupidity or anything like that. A waste of a chance? Sure, but he was in a very disadvantageous position at the time, and fighting against a very powerful Esper and it was simple reflect.

Also, we don't know if by simply grabbing his arm it would be all over right? Have we seen him grab someone and render that person powerless in the process? Let me know because I can't come up with any. I mean, would grabbing him prevent the guy from using his powers? Would grabbing him prevent him from kneeing him in the head? So as good as a move as you seem to think grabbing him would be, in the end it probably wouldn't have accomplished much and the result would've been the same... his powers revealed.

[shinta|hikari]

I can agree with the reflex idea, but if he was mentally prepared that too can be prevented, much like how a boxer is trained to not flinch at punches. If he was waiting for that chance from the beginning, he should be able to take advantage of the situation instead of being dictated by it.

It is true that we cannot be certain about the effects if he grabs onto a person, but more likely than not the esper should be unable to use his powers. It is probably similar to how he could not be teleported before.

Either way, grabbing the enemy and at least trying to attack is much better than revealing your powers with 0 gain. I doubt that Accelerator can manage to do anything proper to defend himself immediately, much less knee Touma in the face judging from his shocked and confused reaction after just being slapped on the hand.

Even if for some reason grabbing the enemy does not seal their powers, just knowing this fact is already enough reason to try it out. I would certainly prefer it to simply being chased around running for my life.

[Munsu]

That's true about the teleporter thing... but maybe it happened that way because she was trying to teleport the whole body, so that might prevent the power from manifesting. So, it may not be representative, but a good example.

Still, he was on the floor and clearly scared. I think we can forgive him this once. I think his only plan was to land a solid knockout punch and that's about it. Also, even if grabbing the dude might have the desired effects, Touma probably doesn't know it.

[shinta|hikari]

Everybody makes mistakes I guess.

I just hope it doesn't become a pattern. I am waiting for Touma to kick Accelerator's ass without help next episode, as unlikely as it may seem.

[Archangel]

Hey guys i just started watching this and i had one question, does the main character ever get any other ability besides the esper nullifier thingy ?

[RyougaZell]

I think Touma never had the complete information regarding Accelerator's powers. My guess is he was expecting someone like the alchemist or like Mikoto, not someone that could throw anything due to his vector power.

And as Munsu said... he got scared noticing in what deep shit he had gotten. All for MISAKA and Mikoto.

[Munsu]

Hey guys i just started watching this and i had one question, does the main character ever get any other ability besides the esper nullifier thingy ?
See Kraco, who says that the En Fuego doesn't promote lol.

Anyways, so far he really hasn't gotten any... though as the series progresses who knows what he might be able to gain to help him throughout. I think the most important part right now is to see how he finds new ways to apply his powers, and I have a feeling that it isn't fully developed yet.

[RyougaZell]

Hey guys i just started watching this and i had one question, does the main character ever get any other ability besides the esper nullifier thingy ?

Does extreme bad luck count?

His power even negates it.

Just one thing Archie, because it was commented before. The series is based on light novels, so a few people commented the series seemed to be not following a line, but it actually does... it follows Touma's 'vacations' from school... lol

Currently 3 novels have been animated (we are currently on the 3rd)

[David75]

What amazes me is that even Mikoto can't do a thing against the accelerator.

Afterall, she's aliased railgun, as I've read in a thread before.
That alias should'nt be taken lightly. I guess you guys know what we talk about when naming a railgun...
We talk about a device able to launch pellets at speeds of several hundred miles per hour... giving those pellets an unprecedented penetration factor.

Or is it because she isn't railgun yet? I mean she doesn't know yet she can accelerate a piece of metal to incredible speeds?

Because I guess there's a limit to Accelerator's power to divert a vector.
In a railgun case, we talk about a mere 1 to 5 kg pellet able to pass through a tank as if it was butter and move it tens of meters from its initial position...

Or is it Touma who will give her hints and help her defeat him? He should'nt even need to touch him to weaken him...
Accelerator thinks himself as quick, but I do not see him quicker than a railgun bullet...
He clearly specified his power is at the surface of his skin,
I do not see a surface power being fast enough to divert a pellet launched by a powerful railgun...

[Munsu]

She used the railgun in the first episode with a coin.

[David75]

She used the railgun in the first episode with a coin.

I didn't even remember.
So she's not even confident to defeat Accelerator with this. Humm, Touma really needs to be clever this time.

[Munsu]

I didn't even remember.
So she's not even confident to defeat Accelerator with this. Humm, Touma really needs to be clever this time.
Yeah, but she also hasn't fought him herself so who knows. The clones might not be able to use the railgun though.

[Kraco]

The bad thing about the railgun is of course that if it doesn't work, she will automatically die herself. Quite a bet, especially with the initial assumption the dude can reflect it.

[Ryllharu]

What amazes me is that even Mikoto can't do a thing against the accelerator.

Or is it because she isn't railgun yet? I mean she doesn't know yet she can accelerate a piece of metal to incredible speeds?

Because I guess there's a limit to Accelerator's power to divert a vector.
In a railgun case, we talk about a mere 1 to 5 kg pellet able to pass through a tank as if it was butter and move it tens of meters from its initial position...

Or is it Touma who will give her hints and help her defeat him? He should'nt even need to touch him to weaken him...
Accelerator thinks himself as quick, but I do not see him quicker than a railgun bullet...
He clearly specified his power is at the surface of his skin,
I do not see a surface power being fast enough to divert a pellet launched by a powerful railgun...Accelerator completely cancels out her power with his own. He said it to one of the MISAKA's before he killed her, he can change the vector of anything, even the flow of blood, just by touching it. He changes heat flows (fire), he changes electron flows (Mikoto's normal ability), bullet trajectories (MISAKAs previous modes of attack), and anything else.

Because her railgun is just a vectored projectile, he can turn it away just as easily. Accelerator also told MISAKA-10031 (The one before 10032 that Touma is trying to save) that his body is defaulted to a reflection mode. Subconsciously. Anything Mikoto magnetically accelerates at him would return to kill her, just as the sniper rifle rounds returned to destroy the gun of the first MISAKA we saw.

This is why MISAKA 10032 remarked there was no wind and was trying to suffocate Accelerator with fused ozone. Without any kind of wind, not only would the ozone stay in the area, Accelerator wouldn't notice or be able to do anything on a large scale (as he would with a gust of wind) about it.

It also doesn't matter if Mikoto defeats him, Mikoto explained this in quite the desperate tone. She's a Level 5 just the same, and unless he kills her easily instead of in the 128 encounters (125th would statistically kill her), the organization would determine she was strong enough to train him to Level 6. If Mikoto defeated him just by a little bit, they'd probably be delighted. Only by getting killed would it prove that the magnitude of a 100 number of samples are an efficient way of training Accelerator up.

Touma on the other hand, proves that Accelerator isn't anywhere close to as strong as they thought, and no matter if they have him kill 1 million MISAKAs, he would never get to Level 6.

If a MISAKA took him down, that might be similar though.


Touma's power is the reason he has a chance at all. As we saw with the little slap, Touma negates Accelerator's Auto-Reflect form of energy/momentum manipulation. This drove him into a manical rage (because I imagine Accelerator hasn't been touched in a decade). If Touma can get close, he can slug the shit out of Accelerator.

While Touma holding Accelerator might allow Mikoto or MISAKA-10032 to defeat him, it still wouldn't stop the research.

EDIT:
Ah...everyone beat me to it.

Yeah, but she also hasn't fought him herself so who knows. The clones might not be able to use the railgun though.
I thought the MISAKAs said they couldn't see the energy flow without the goggles, and as a result, can't really control the energies instinctually well enough to generate the railgun effect.

[RyougaZell]

It also doesn't matter if Mikoto defeats him, Mikoto explained this in quite the desperate tone. She's a Level 5 just the same, and unless he kills her easily instead of in the 128 encounters (125th would statistically kill her), the organization would determine she was strong enough to train him to Level 6. If Mikoto defeated him just by a little bit, they'd probably be delighted. Only by getting killed would it prove that the magnitude of a 100 number of samples are an efficient way of training Accelerator up.


I agree with all you said. Just quoted this fragment to clarify something.

Accelerator needs to kill either 20,000 MISAKAs or 128 Railguns... since they only have 1 Mikoto they cloned her. The part of that 125th would statistically kill her I think it was the predicted moves in battle the central computer came with, not that the 125th battle would kill her.

At least that its what I think. I mean... they already have Mikoto's DNA. If she could indeed survive until battle 125th, those madscientists would have made her fight, and then make Accelerator kill just about 200 more clones in place of the last 3 battles. I mean... they do rely a lot on the stadistics.

[Ryllharu]

Well, I could be wrong, that was just how I took it. I'd have to rewatch the episode, but given how easily he kills MISAKAs, you are probably right. Still...if a MISAKA is equal to a 156th of a Mikoto, then it's possible she could survive a number of their encounters.

I imagine a lot of their battles would be back an forth things. She zaps at him, he reversed it, she railguns, he reverses it...until he throws a non-metallic at her and she fails to vaporize it.

Eh, you're probably correct.


I just really liked the way you Freudian slipped on spelling 'statistics.' One 't' away from 'sadistic,' which the scientists certainly are.

[RyougaZell]

Argh... actually... I think Im still sleepy and made a spanglish there... estadistica... or something.

But yeah... Mikoto told Touma that the computer predicted she could survive 125 moves, but that she was afraid that she could not even survive the first move. And somewhere she mentioned that since they could not clone a 100% faithful Mikoto they had to make 20,000 MISAKAs

[Archangel]

Bad luck my ass

I haven't finished yet but from what i see this guy has girls falling into his lap mostly every episode, even if they are lolis.

[Xelbair]

I would love to have that kind of bad luck....

[Archangel]

So they got tired of just giving him 1 girl at a time so they're giving him a whole army of them at once? This anime is gonna spawn more hentai than naruto once it really picks up.

Anyway, overpowered anyone? At this time i cant really come up with a way for Touma to win this battle other than accelerator making the mistake of being too cocky and going for him head on, and even then he would have to come up with come amazing combo to knock him out in that small windows of opportunity.

This is off topic but i didn't have the chance to discuss this last time since i just recently began watching this show:

- Am i the only one who didn't buy Stiyl's explanation that the dragon that came from Touma's arm was a product of the alchemist's power?

My guess is that it was the next phase or maybe the true form of Imagine Breaker, maybe a power that not only negates another ones reality, but all of reality itself.

A crazy theory i know, but it just kinda came to me.

[Buffalobiian]

Anyway, overpowered anyone?

Everyone.


- Am i the only one who didn't buy Stiyl's explanation that the dragon that came from Touma's arm was a product of the alchemist's power?

I don't know, I bought it. Sounded fair game that since he's going ballistic and trying to use his powers at the same time, he's turning his fears into reality.

[Archangel]

I don't know, I bought it. Sounded fair game that since he's going ballistic and trying to use his powers at the same time, he's turning his fears into reality.

Why a dragon then?? If he was turning his fears into reality shouldn't it have been something more specific? Anyway i hope i'm right, i've been dying to see an upgrade to imagine breaker, just defending powers is getting boring.

[Buffalobiian]

Why a dragon? You'll have to ask him ;) He was thinking Touma was a monster, so I'd assume a dragon is a monster of that calibre for the freaked-out alchemist.

[Archangel]

But why did his right arm turn into a monster and not Touma completely?

Maybe because his whole fear was based on the imagine breaker on his arm

Argh but i want him to have a freaking dragon on his right arm for a weapon so i'm going with my theory !!! Yep, i totally owned you in this discussion Bill :p

[Buffalobiian]

Yep, i totally owned you in this discussion Bill :p

Now, what that really necessary? :p

I'm just going with that Izzard subconciously associates Imagine Breaker with Touma's right arm. Even though it's cut off, Touma said "You didn't think you'd get rid of my Imagine Breaker that easily did you?!"

Then Izzard thought Touma (and his power, hence associated right arm) is a monster. That's it from me, I'm out of here.

[Archangel]

When is ep 14 gonna be released?