CLANNAD ~After Story~

[Buffalobiian]

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Alternative title: クラナド アフターストーリー (Japanese)

Genres: romance, slice of life

Plot Summary: A sequel to the recently wrapped anime based on the Key Clannad franchise. After Story is a path that opens in the original visual novel after all the other paths have been opened.

Clannad (prequel) Plot Sumarry: Tomoya Okazaki is a third year high school student resentful of his life. His mother passed away from a car accident when he was younger, causing his father to resort to alcohol and gambling. This results in fights between the two until Tomoya's shoulder is injured in a fight. Since then, Tomoya has had distant relationships with his father, causing him to become a delinquent over time. While on a walk to school, he meets a strange girl named Nagisa Furukawa who is a year older, but is repeating due to illness. Due to this, she is often alone as most of her friends have moved on. The two begin hanging out and slowly, as time goes by, Tomoya finds his life shifting in a new direction.

-Info provided by ANN.-

Sites: Clannad Homepage (http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/), ANN Encyclopedia (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=9701), AnimeNfo (http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,4303,qyscyl,clannad__after_.html), AniDB (http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=5841), syoboi (http://cal.syoboi.jp/tid/1462/time?Filter=ChUser&Filter2=All)

Clannad After Story - 01 (http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/CLANNAD_AFTER%20STORY_01_PAS_%5BAQS%5D%5BSprocket% 5D%5BTWH%5D%5B68B2AD69%5D.avi.torrent) subbed by Aquastar-Anime & Sprocket Hole Subs & The Waffle House

[animus]

How're the subs? It's a clusterfuck or groups I've hardly ever heard about. Anyone know if the more popular groups like SS or Eclipse are planning to pick this up?

[Buffalobiian]

How're the subs? It's a clusterfuck or groups I've hardly ever heard about. Anyone know if the more popular groups like SS or Eclipse are planning to pick this up?

I'm waiting for SS-Eclipse myself (they're joint-subbing this again), but I couldn't pass up starting this thread :))

[David75]

I've only watched the first minute:
It seems like the source raw was widescreen, but it had been croped after to 4:3 (640*480) :mad:
The video encoding is awful, like a vhs, with such a heavy file (170+ Mb)

For those who can overcome this or a really to impatient...

[Kraco]

Wasn't Clannad originally aired so that a cropped 4:3 came first and then weeks later the real widescreen? Or do I remember incorrectly? Perhaps this is the same way.

[David75]

Wasn't Clannad originally aired so that a cropped 4:3 came first and then weeks later the real widescreen? Or do I remember incorrectly? Perhaps this is the same way.

I got the hint when a logo appeared cut in half at the right of the screen.
I doubt this logo would be cut in a broadcast. I may be wrong though.

[Buffalobiian]

Eclipse, efficient as always.

[Eclipse] Clannad After Story 01h264 (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2001%20(h264)%20%5b7EA43B3E%5d.mkv.torrent)
[Eclipse] Clannad After Story 01XviD (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2001%20(XviD)%20%5b2E71CB71%5d.avi.torrent)

[animus]

Man, I was just about to post that haha.

[narutosharingan]

I think the Eclipse version had a typo in there somewhere, but otherwise a good starting episode. I've missed the quirky comedy in this series.

[Buffalobiian]

Well, at first I was a bit worried. Continuing on from what I thought was a pretty rounded up story, I was really wondering if this second season will simply tarnish the good memories Clannad left. Tomoya seems pretty stable with Nagisa, so I won't be expecting any external affairs, as such. Being a Tomoyo fan, that doesn't help. But since Clannad did so well in my books, I'll see what After Story can do.

That changed after the baseball game.

Real-Time Trajectory Analysis.exe FTW!! Yuusuke's speeches were another gold moment. Plot-wise, it did well to introduce the cast again, and the comedy more than made up for any lack of story progression. I'm happy to say, After Story hasn't lost it's touch yet, and it'll be another show I'll be following eagerly each week.

[animus]

I missed Clannad, and for good reason.

I like the new OP, but it just doesn't feel right with a different OP.

[Kraco]

It was Clannad alright, with all its trademark quirks. It wasn't exactly a hilarious episode but consistently good to honour the memory of the original series.

Tomoya still speaks for others as smoothly as ever.

[David75]

ok, I probably was wrong about the widescreen thing. It probably was in the raw... was it cropped then by the recorder? Because it seems strange to crop a broadcast in such a fashion.
I've seen a typo for Okazaki-san towards the end. Not a big deal ;)

Other than that, I had a hard time remembering who's who and in which sub-plot they played a role in Clannad.
Regarding the plot, I guess that being able to bat is a major thing for the main protagonist...

[Buffalobiian]

Regarding the plot, I guess that being able to bat is a major thing for the main protagonist...

It was similar to the basketball game they had to promote Tomoyo's popularity for the Student Council Presidency run. Nagisa was his source of strength that time too I think.

How does not being able to raise your arm above your shoulder prevent you from batting though. It definitely limits you movement and strength, but you can still do it. Better than tapping predictably IMO.

[David75]

It was similar to the basketball game they had to promote Tomoyo's popularity for the Student Council Presidency run. Nagisa was his source of strength that time too I think.

How does not being able to raise your arm above your shoulder prevent you from batting though. It definitely limits you movement and strength, but you can still do it. Better than tapping predictably IMO.

I guess he also has a huge strenght deficit in that arm. I do not know much about swing specifics, but I guess that for him it's a mix beetween reality of his arm and psychology.

[Kraco]

Tomoya is slightly emo (though under those circumstances I can't much blame him) and maybe his damaged shoulder has become as much an excuse for him as a real liability.

[Board of Command]

I think the Eclipse version had a typo in there somewhere, but otherwise a good starting episode. I've missed the quirky comedy in this series.
Eclipse had two typos in this episode. One was using "anchor" instead of "encore" when they first met Yoshino. The second one came near the end but I forgot what word it was. It might have been a misspelling of "Okazaki."

[animus]

Yeah, it was a misspelling of Okazaki, it was just "Okazai"

[MFauli]

Meh, i just cant stop myself from perverted thought whenever i see that Sanae looks exactly like Nagisa, only different hair style. Akio-san might just accidentially....well, whatever.

Nice episode, though...are they going for a full season? If so i wonder what the main theme of this one will be. First season was about Nagisa´s play and Okazaki choosing one of the girls.

I´d like to see the matter with Okazaki´s father solved, he seems to be such a poor dad, whenever he´s shown. And what i´d like to see is, ah, forgot his name, Okazaki´s friend to get together with Tomoyo. To me they look like they have already a nice relationshio (ok, her him beating up whenever they meet, haha), and i´d kina like to see that guy being lucky ;)

[Buffalobiian]

Unless Sunnohara does something really out of character, I don't see Tomoyo giving him a second glance. It would be interesting though.

[shinta|hikari]

Not really. Sunohara is usually an idiot, but he is a really nice guy. Tomoyo started liking Tomoya because he treated her like a girl and was nice to her, so if Sunohara managed to care enough for Tomoyo to do something like that, it won't be impossible.

Don't count on it ever happening though.

[animus]

I'd prefer it not to since I always enjoyed my Tomoyo x Tomoya. Not that I don't enjoy Sunohara, it's just that Tomoyo is the best fit for Tomoya.

And for those of you that might've missed the Clannad special that showed Tomoyo ending up with Tomoya and don't feel like digging through the first Clannad thread: Tomoyo Special (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20-%2024%20(DVD)%20%5b110D8E9A%5d.mkv.torrent)

[kenren]

Woot. I found my favourite character in Clannad. Yoshino-san! :)

[Marik]

Episode 2

AQS, Sprocket, & The Waffle House

CLANNAD​_~AFTER STORY~​_02​_PAS​_[AQS][Sprocket][TWH][7D611EA6].avi (http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/CLANNAD_AFTER%20STORY_02_PAS_%5BAQS%5D%5BSprocket% 5D%5BTWH%5D%5B7D611EA6%5D.avi.torrent)

SS-Eclipse

[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 02 (h264) [2A94748E].mkv (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2002%20%28h264%29%20%5b2A94748E%5d.mkv.torrent)

[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 02 (XviD) [16B3FEA5].avi (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2002%20%28XviD%29%20%5b16B3FEA5%5d.avi.torrent)

[Buffalobiian]

[Eclipse] Clannad After Story 02 h264 (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2002%20(h264)%20%5b2A94748E%5d.mkv.torrent)
[Eclipse] Clannad After Story 02 XviD (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2002%20(XviD)%20%5b16B3FEA5%5d.avi.torrent)

Edit: Didn't see Marik's edit.

[animus]

You got owned by Marik's edit, btw. Much like you did to me. Revenge!

[Kraco]

Sunohara is one wacky and funny guy. It was rather interesting though how Tomoya began to doubt the plan before the end, and didn't want to take it all the way to the end like he has always before. Hard to say whether it was because it's so close to Nagisa or because he was genuinely worried about Sunohara, and didn't see anymore the simple source for laughs in it.

In any case it's good they gave more screen time to Sanae in an arc. Kikuko Inoue is such a gifted VA.

[David75]

In any case it's good they gave more screen time to Sanae in an arc. Kikuko Inoue is such a gifted VA.

They also strongly revamped AMG with the flute music, sanae's hair etc... Or maybe I'm a little biased on this.

I can perfectly understand sunohara being totally out of his mind having his classmate's young beautiful mother playing his girlfriend.

[animus]

I really enjoyed that episode. What a surprise, Sanae out of left-field.

[David75]

I really enjoyed that episode. What a surprise, Sanae out of left-field.

She gotta love teenagers.

Sunohara should be more composed... after all for a teenager to approach an experienced woman.

[MFauli]

What a great, great episode.
i dont know when an anime had me entertained that well the last time.
I love Sunohara, well, i guess i like support-characters getting more attention.
Hope it ends with him getting a real girl friend.

[Buffalobiian]

Very entertaining episode. I loved it every time Nagisa mistook Tomoya liking her mother. (Or did she :D). Seems like despite Mei's worries, she'll feel lonely soon as another woman takes care of her brother's life for her. In the end, I think the cover will blow, but not for the worst.

Sanae out of the left field indeed. Especially the whole school uniform getup.


You got owned by Marik's edit, btw. Much like you did to me. Revenge!

Carry out your revenge yourself next time :p

[Marik]

CLANNAD​_~AFTER STORY~​_03​_PAS​_[AQS][Sprocket][TWH][5E5B610B].avi (http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/CLANNAD_AFTER%20STORY_03_PAS_%5BAQS%5D%5BSprocket% 5D%5BTWH%5D%5B5E5B610B%5D.avi.torrent)

[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 03 (XviD) [EBA6301A].avi (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2003%20%28XviD%29%20%5bEBA6301A%5d.avi.torrent)

[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 03 (h264) [A147861D].mkv (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2003%20%28h264%29%20%5bA147861D%5d.mkv.torrent)

[Buffalobiian]

Wow. This guy is all over the place.

[MFauli]

another great episode.
as i said, sunohara is the most interesting guy

[animus]

The beginning of this OP song sounds very familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is exactly.

[Kraco]

This arc feels a lot different compared to the bulk of the series as Tomoya seems to be quite out of it. This began, like pretty much everything, as one of his genius jokes but it has been a long time since this was anymore anywhere near his control. Now he's just like a dude following after a boulder he pushed down a hillside. It lessens the humour considerably, like this ep demonstrated, though naturally there still are some scenes like the "onii-chan" scene, where Tomoya actually had to taste how it feels like to be Sunohara (especially the bad end of it; being a laughingstock)...

On the other hand, Sunohara didn't receive that much development during the original series, so I guess it's fair.

[Buffalobiian]

This arc does have a more serious feel to it than simply a joke gone wild. Onii-chan scenes were definitely the funniest this ep. I'm not sure if the soccer idea will work, snce I've forgotten why Sunohara was kicked out of the club in the first place, but it's either this or Mei getting into trouble that will drag him out of it.

Akio's "She's cute no matter how old she gets" really gets me thinking about her age. Maybe she's even much older than Akio.

[narutosharingan]

Did they even mention why Sunohara got kicked out in the first series? I can't remember if they did. He almost said something to Mei and Tomoya, but seems to be just missing something. A sense of belonging somewhere? Maybe that's why Mei wants him back on the team.

[k1sousuke]

i like the series though im really interested on how they are going to develop the rest of this arc since like some people said sunohara didnt get much development during the 1st season and the rest of the story for that matter though im sure it will follow the movie since all of Key's works follow the movies to some extent but end almost the same now my question if the intro gives us looks at further eps does it mean that the "miracle" is used to bring back fuuko?

last reply yes in ep 15 12:12 into the ep tomoya tells nagisa that sunohara used to be in the soccer club but got into a fight with his seniors so he quit
@ animus the op song is from the anime ost disc 2 track 5 "To the Same Heights" you first hear it in ep 6 near the end when fuuko meets mitsui in the hallway around 19:45 another variation of the same one is in ep 16 during the basketball match

[Marik]

CLANNAD​_~AFTER STORY~​_04​_PAS​_[AQS][Sprocket][TWH][EC1AB0F8].avi (http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/CLANNAD_AFTER%20STORY_04_PAS_%5BAQS%5D%5BSprocket% 5D%5BTWH%5D%5BEC1AB0F8%5D.avi.torrent)

[k1sousuke]

that was a good ending for his story i actually did his story from the game right before i watched it but i was good how they ended up closing his story it was a bit more serious from other eps but its not like they could pull it off any other way

[animus]

WTB Eclipse sub.

[MFauli]

i found the ending of this arc a bit too lame and uncreative. In the end, all it took was putting his sister in a situation where she´s bullied, and all´s back to normal. The initial problem, Sunohara not getting further in life, wasnt resolved at all.

What i liked, though, was how this episode showed why Tomoya and Sunohara are called delinquents, haha, was great when they started beating up the soccer team.

[David75]

A 1440*1080 3.98 Gb raw transport stream for Ep1 is available.
That means quality will come, at last.
I wonder if eventually the quality raws will be available at the same time as the others, or if we should wait a bit for HD releases.

The torrent @ Mininova (very slow/DoS at the moment)
Clannad Raw Ep1 1440*1080 3.98Gb ts (http://www.mininova.org/tor/1952281)

[Marik]

WTB Eclipse sub.
[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 04 (h264) [2CB0C1CD].mkv (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2004%20%28h264%29%20%5b2CB0C1CD%5d.mkv.torrent)

[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 04 (XviD) [7B4E75CE].avi (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2004%20%28XviD%29%20%5b7B4E75CE%5d.avi.torrent)

[Buffalobiian]

A 1440*1080 3.98 Gb raw transport stream for Ep1 is available.
That means quality will come, at last.
I wonder if eventually the quality raws will be available at the same time as the others, or if we should wait a bit for HD releases.

The torrent @ Mininova (very slow/DoS at the moment)
Clannad Raw Ep1 1440*1080 3.98Gb ts (http://www.mininova.org/tor/1952281)

For those put off by the 3.98GB file, you can grab the enhanced definition (1024x576) for only 174MB!

What's more, it's subbed by Eclipse:

[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story 01h264 1024x576 (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2001%20(1024x576%20h264)%20%5b63593DCC%5d.mkv.tor rent)
[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story 01 XviD 704x400 (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2001%20(704x400%20XviD)%20%5bC09B56D6%5d.avi.torr ent)

Static Subs and Eclipse release 16:9 versions 3 weeks later, so remember to check their website, that's http://eclipse.no-sekai.de/

(I sound like a salesperson :p)

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The ending of this arc was pretty alright. It wasn't as "spectacular" as some of the best from last season, but it concluded well enough. Best part was Sunohara and Tomoya letting it all out in their fight, as well as the backstory of how they actually met.

The way they had Sanae reveal her identity was completely predictable, but Sunohara's idiocy and Tomoya's setup kept it funny never the less.

Like MFauli said, they ever actually moved Sunohara forward into thinking about a career after school. His final words only hinted that he'll treasure his time here in highschool, which of course wasn't the point. But anyhow, the arc concluded in such a way with Sunohara redeeming himself as a brother, if not a student, that I don't really feel it was incomplete. Emotionally anyhow.

Next arc, Misae-san - the dorm lady who was such a hit in the first Clannad ep, but was never developed on.

[narutosharingan]

I really did enjoy the scene where they beat the crap out of each other. I thought that was certainly due, and I wondered if Tomoya would actually end up fighting Sunohara before that, in the classroom. Did Tomoya even tell Sunohara that he wasn't actually dating Mei?

[Buffalobiian]

Did Tomoya even tell Sunohara that he wasn't actually dating Mei?

No. I don't think so. Sunohara did yell in surprise and asked why Nagisa was still sticking around. Add that to how she was over him, stopping him, and in a sense, protecting Tomoya, I think even the idiotic Sunohara got the answer.

Then again, he never once realised Sanae was Akio's girl :D

[animus]

Episode 5 by A lot of Groups (http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/CLANNAD_AFTER%20STORY_05_PAS_%5BAQS%5D%5BSprocket% 5D%5BTWH%5D%5B7BF36E2B%5D.avi.torrent)

[Buffalobiian]

[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 05 h264 (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2005%20(h264)%20%5b6346A005%5d.mkv.torrent)
[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 05 XviD (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2005%20(XviD)%20%5b30F93A7A%5d.avi.torrent)

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Edit: I liked this episode a lot, mainly because it moved away from out main cast and explored an entirely different setting that was Misae's highschool. I see no doubt that Shima's Misae's cat, now that it's giving Tomoya visions, as well as the strongly suggesting "Forever with you". Just check out his hair/eye colour.

I'm speculating that Shima wasn't the kid Misae talked to in the hospital, but rather the cat on his lap. The boy probably didn't make it through, but tried anyway, despite her words. His last wish was to grant Misae hers, which the cat decided was his mission to carry out. One clue was how Shima doesn't remember what she said, just the effect it had, suggesting it probably never understood her. Second is just how the preview sounds when he says "I came to grant that wish".

It may well be wrong, but it does provide a basis for how a boy suddenly got some wish-granting powers.

And at the end of the day, Tomoya will suggest the cat be named Shima, triggering Misae's memories yet again.

I'm really liking this arc, even though it'll be a short one. The supernatural theme and the tear-jerkiness that should come remind me of Fuuko's arc.

[MFauli]

Wah, i totally mixed up Sanae and Misae´s name, and wondered for the whole episode "huh, do they have the same name, or what" lol

whatever, i found this episode rather boring. Misae seems just TOO unconnected to the main cast, and long flash backs dont help...i just dont like long flash backs, not that this one was particular bad ;)

[Buffalobiian]

I'd think the ones who should be mixed up are Misae and Kyou. I wasn't really aware of it before this, but those two have some striking similarities. Annoy them and you'll get your pain fix real soon, be it flying dictionaries, roundhouse kicks or a pile driver. Stick with her long enough though, and she'll take care of you in every way a Big Sister presence could.

What made the similarities more apparent this time was putting Misae in a school uniform and unbound hair. It might also explains how she got the whole school to arrive on time with "just her word". After all, Kyou gathered a huge turnout to Kotomi's concert with "just her word". ;)

[kenren]

Does the beginning scene of the episode (The girl and the robot) has anything to do with the series so far? I kept thinking back and I'm still clueless. Could it be that I missed something previously? >_<

[David75]

Does the beginning scene of the episode (The girl and the robot) has anything to do with the series so far? I kept thinking back and I'm still clueless. Could it be that I missed something previously? >_<


I was thinking about that too, it's a recurring side story that seems to have no connection with the show at all except that the little girl could be Nagisa when she was young.

From the first season we knew she was too weak to go to school, thus has been quite lonely I guess. That's the only connection I can make so far, and not a strong one.
Maybe she'd been in a coma sometimes, switching beetween reality and that world we get to see where she expressed her deep lonelyness.

[Ryllharu]

Wasn't it the same story as the play they preformed at the end of the first season?

I always took it as an analogy between Nagisa and Tomoya. He's a broken doll that doesn't really think he can feel anything for anyone anymore due to the situation with his father, an Nagisa is the endlessly kind girl that can fix him as he grows closer to her. They accomplished a good deal of that last season, but I imagine the play only fit to Nagisa's singular storyline.

[k1sousuke]

younger or older the girl in the illusionary world isn't nagisa; yes it is the same as the play nagisa performed in the last ep but to her its a memory from what she saw or remembered from her childhood as to the question if it has to do with the main story if you have seen Kanon and Air you can tell that most of Key's stories deal with supernatural and intertwining stories be it either illusions or dreams so if you put all those things the robot's been saying with what the girl has said too you can kinda figure that both stories might come together at a certain point....... uhmmm its late and i need to sleep so.....ill edit once i got more stuff in my brain

now to the ep it was an alright ep good to see the other character's stories and what made them be the way they are but it looks like this might be a 2 or just under 3 eps to fill her story not complaining seeing as misae is a side char with not much importance to the rest of the story but i wonder ....gah im tired if i remember ill edit otherwise its was a good ep thats all i wanna say

[Marik]

CLANNAD​_~AFTER STORY~​_06​_PAS​_[AQS][Sprocket][TWH][427BD098].avi (http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/CLANNAD_AFTER%20STORY_06_PAS_%5BAQS%5D%5BSprocket% 5D%5BTWH%5D%5B427BD098%5D.avi.torrent)

[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 06 (h264) [11E48FF4].mkv (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2006%20%28h264%29%20%5b11E48FF4%5d.mkv.torrent)

[SS-Eclipse] Clannad After Story - 06 (XviD) [58B8E2CC].avi (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Clannad%20After%20Story%20-%2006%20%28XviD%29%20%5b58B8E2CC%5d.avi.torrent)

[MFauli]

Well, i cant say i enjoyed that flashback. Also, wasnt this exact same story used before? Or am i remembering something from Kanon?
Anyway, WHAT i thought after this episode, though, is that Misae is the hottest girl of the show ;)

[k1sousuke]

yea it was used in kanon makoto the fox and this guy the cat then again it is a Key production so mby they're running out of ideas. It was an alright ep though my reaction would be different if some1 told me that my dog(or cat) spoke to them in a dream.....neways looks like they're moving to miyazawa's story. might be interesting

[David75]

Well, i cant say i enjoyed that flashback. Also, wasnt this exact same story used before? Or am i remembering something from Kanon?
Anyway, WHAT i thought after this episode, though, is that Misae is the hottest girl of the show ;)

Well a bit creepy the way she said she'll play with that cat..

[narutosharingan]

Well I enjoyed it, I thought it was rather sweet.

[MFauli]

Well a bit creepy the way she said she'll play with that cat..

haha, dito

[Buffalobiian]

Well a bit creepy the way she said she'll play with that cat..

*Shakes head* David......:o

I enjoyed this arc quite a lot. Didn't make me cry like I hoped, but still felt quite emotional and well concluded. I haven't seen Kannon or Air, so fortunately it didn't leave me with a recycled feeling like a lot of Code Geass R2 did.

I can only imagine how things would have turned out if Misae never told Shima her wish. Bittersweet situations where a confession marks the fruition and end of something always works on me.

I was left somewhat incomplete when Tomoya didn't name the cat. Thinking back though, I think it's best they didn't spell everything out. Especially now that Misae realises herself who that cat is.

Good arc in my book.

[Kraco]

I'd have enjoyed this arc more, recycled or not, if I didn't find Shima so annoying a character. Fortunately this episode wasn't as bad as the previous one in that respect. But nonetheless his passiveness was tiresome.

[kenren]

Good arc for me too. It's quite saddening how Misae somewhat waited for Shima all the while. I'm glad that she finally knows what's really going on and seemed relieved. :)

[Nadouku]

Such a warm episode, and so much dedication to Misae. I like this episode a lot.

[Marik]

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[MFauli]

Damn, i hope Sunohara will get a girl friend until the end of this season. I really thought he could get along with Yuki.

[Buffalobiian]

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[Nadouku]

Being a sister of the leader and managing all those guys must be pretty tough. Getting into constant fights over territory and what not, and he's even in the hospital! Hope the conflict resolves soon.

[animus]

Lucky kid, his sister is hot stuff.

[Kraco]

Damn, i hope Sunohara will get a girl friend until the end of this season.

I wonder about that. He seems to be the solid humorous sidekick, and moreover his complete inability to form any sort of a connection to the opposite sex (his sister included) has been a high recursive element in the plot. The fact that despite the rather generous screen time his character has hardly developed is another indication of his fate, I reckon.

[Marik]

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[MFauli]

to be honest, i found me scenes of this "gang-story" quite embarrassing...yeah, even though i realize that this is an oh so romantic anime and all that :P

anyway, what i REALLY hated was how Tomoya once again got into the spotlight. I SO would have love to see the very same fight...only with Sunohara instead of Tomoya...

[Buffalobiian]

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[Yukimura]

I'm pretty sure that was Akiko's (Kanon '06) jam they spread on Sanae's rainbow bread. If so it's a testament to those gangsters that they were able to move at all, but I expect it also means Tomoya was getting his ass kicked for at least a few hours :(.

[Alhuin]

I was thinking the same thing about that jam. Haha... what's worse than Sanae's bread? Her bread with Akiko's jam.

Though I sort-of felt that Sunohara would have at least eaten all of his. Even if it was horrible, he's like... in love with Sanae, so I figured he would have eaten it out of respect for her even making something for him. Though, I may just be underestimating the knock-out power of that combination.

[Marik]

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[animus]

Man this moved really fast. Not sure how much I like that.

[Kraco]

Has it been mentioned what ails Nagisa? I don't think it's quite normal or conducive to have fever for half a year for no particular reason. I certainly didn't see something like this happening, but on the other hand these Key shows tend to be mixes of comedy and melancholy, so it's hardly totally unexpected.

[Buffalobiian]

I looks like whenever it's winter, she gets sick easily or something, and it keeps her bedridden for the next half a year to come. They claim she's unhealthy/weak, but I mean....AIDS sufferers probably fair better than her. (I'm joking, but this does seem like some severe immune deficiency.

I actually thought Nagisa's sickness would drive Tomoya to become a doctor, however impossible it seems for him.

It was very quick, as animus mentioned. So much that it looked like they were trying to conclude the story by episode 13. I had to confirm that After Story is indeed a ~24 episode series, since it was very good material to finish on IMO.

"Boton, doll!!"
"Puihi!" <- was just awesome :)

[David75]

I'm thinking "Tomoyo After" really is what happens after and not an alternate story/reality.
That could mean Nagisa won't finish the year Tomoyo graduates.

[Buffalobiian]

From what I've heard, Clannad After Story is what you unlock after finishing the game (with all the different girls?). Tomoyo After is a sequel based off the Tomoyo ending. You can choose to have a romantic relationship with the different girls, and your ending will depend on that, from what I gather.

[David75]

From what I've heard, Clannad After Story is what you unlock after finishing the game (with all the different girls?). Tomoyo After is a sequel based off the Tomoyo ending. You can choose to have a romantic relationship with the different girls, and your ending will depend on that, from what I gather.

Yup, that's what I read/understood. I wonder what they'll choose for the anime though.
Is their will to show us Nagisa in a bas state so soon a choice for the future, or just a way to move on and go further in happiness?
I wouldn't mind something truly sad, even if it means loosing Nagisa. She isn't a character whose death would unbalance the show too much, I certainly do not whish for that, just that it could lead to a very interresting alternate way of telling a story.

[k1sousuke]

Well unlike Key's other titles Clannad isnt an ero-game its actually the only game Key has made so far that doesn't show the girls in "adult" situations. The after story in game is when you go through or complete the girls "path" misae's, yukine's, kotomi, ryou, kyo, tomoyo, fuuko, komura,(yea the old guy....), and Nagisa as the final path; when After story is unlocked you finish some stories from before. By the looks of it they are going to go Nagisa's final route as to how they are going to show the final 4/5 stories is ....idk. To those wondering parts of this ep really did happen in game and its all a set up for their After Story.

[Marik]

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[Kraco]

This show is getting seriously melancholic. Not totally unlike the Tomoyo special.

[David75]

This show is getting seriously melancholic. Not totally unlike the Tomoyo special.

The show still is entertaining, but for some reason I'm even more attached to the little side story. Don't know why, because after all it's short, simple and nothing really happens there.

Technical:
Sound encoding is different for SS-Eclipse and PAS/AQS.
The first ones use vorbis stereo and the later AC3.
The main difference I get is that the 2 low frequency "booms" you get at the begining of the op gos deeper/clearer in AC3 than vorbis. That's important to me as for some reason that deep sound really stirs something in my mind.

[Nadouku]

I like the Tomoya spice-of-life. Shows that he can look out for himself, even if he has to go through a lot of harsh training to achieve it. I like this episode. :D

[Marik]

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[animus]

I love Clannad to death, but these past couple of episodes have been somber through and through.

I like drama and tragedy, but Clannad feels lacking without the rest of the cast and antics that include Sunohara.

[MFauli]

does anyone know what that Clannad Movie is about?

[k1sousuke]

its a faster paced of s1 and an alternate ending from s2 w/o the other girl's paths.
thats as far as i can go w/o spoilers


yea it is staring to slow down but i guess they did it to develop tomoya and nagisa not only relationship wise but also personality wise hes actually trying now to be someone and to become independent unlike his former self...im tired ill add more once i get more sleep.... if i do......

[Buffalobiian]

I love Clannad to death, but these past couple of episodes have been somber through and through.

I like drama and tragedy, but Clannad feels lacking without the rest of the cast and antics that include Sunohara.

Season 1 of Clannad had a lot of comedy in its slice-of-life school setting, with little development of relationships as such. People got together, and some were rejected, but there weren't many tests as such, since the main focus was to introduce all the characters and their respective arcs.

After Story, especially lately, leaves some of that behind, and explores the relationships between characters, rather than on the individual (and non-relationship problems) themselves. It's telling the story differently, and fans of Season 1's wel-scripted comedy will find this arc lacking. However, I find this as a necessary, and complimentary to the otherwise developed story of Clannad.

As for this episode, every time Nagisa or Tomoya says sorry, I was expecting one of them to break. Especially turning down the Founders Festival. School for Nagisa's probably just as hard emotionally as the work is physically for Tomoya. It says something about her swallowing all that disappointment and putting on a happy face for her tired boyfriend.

[Nadouku]

I like the reference from that lightsabre duel, but I also like how Tomoya's development is slow paced, but practically explained in details. Good episode.

[Kraco]

As for this episode, every time Nagisa or Tomoya says sorry, I was expecting one of them to break.

When watching this, I'm feeling dreadful anticipation all the time. It's somewhat, nah, totally different compared to the first season for sure. At least we got the lightsaber and lizard scenes... Without those it would be hard to believe this is still the same series.

[Buffalobiian]

To anyone wondering, a Bengal Monitor Lizard isn't as cute as they make it out to be:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7428/varanusbenghalensiscg4.jpg

Poor Sanae...

[Marik]

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[Buffalobiian]

Since the start of this arc, I always thought Yuusuke and Tomoya looked alike. Who would have thought the guy who broke them would do too:

http://randomc.maximum7.net/image/CLANNAD/CLANNAD%20~AFTER%20STORY~%20-%2012%20-%2026.jpg
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[Nadouku]

Nice episode.

The similarities lies within their eyes! Those shiny eyes... :p

[narutosharingan]

I figured he would finally get around to working things out with his father, but it just seems to get worse. It'll be interesting to see what Sanae can do, but I can understand why Tomoya is upset. His father doesn't seem to have any willpower or motivation to do anything. Or maybe he's just too ashamed to talk to his son.

[MFauli]

Um, when is the new episode coming? :-(

[fireheart]

Friday next week, most if not all anime is on a break for a week now

[Buffalobiian]

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[narutosharingan]

I'm surprised they didn't spend an episode or 2 on the wedding. They skipped through that entirely. It'll be interesting to see how they go from now on.

[oyabun]

Fanservice and teasing for Tomoya.

[Kraco]

I wonder if they even had much of a wedding, considering they showed nothing. Maybe they just filled the form and that is. Ate some of Sanae's bread and drank sake.

I'm glad this wasn't anymore an overly gloomy episode like a few in the past.

[Nadouku]

Good to see the rest of the cast come out... after a long period of Tomoya and Nagisa together. Comedy relief aside from those serious moments, good episode.

[Buffalobiian]

I wonder if they even had much of a wedding, considering they showed nothing. Maybe they just filled the form and that is. Ate some of Sanae's bread and drank sake.

I'm glad this wasn't anymore an overly gloomy episode like a few in the past.

Yeah, it looked like a simple legal marriage. The preview was funny though, and I do hope this light humour carries on for the rest of the series. Depressing themes in Clannad seem to amplify the effect somehow.

It also ended up being Nagisa who visited Tomoya's dad, not Sanae. That hairstyle caught me completely by surprise, but it looks good, pretty much a Sanae with a bun.

Since the last few episodes were talking about how depressing life was for Tomoya, I initially thought the company Sunohara was working at was the same one that intended on hiring Tomoya...not adding to Tomoya's bitterness.

But for now, it seems the rain's cleared up for a bit of sunshine.



And apparently Sanae's boobs are huge. Akio would be one to know.

[narutosharingan]

Yeah, it looked like a simple legal marriage. The preview was funny though, and I do hope this light humour carries on for the rest of the series. Depressing themes in Clannad seem to amplify the effect somehow.

It also ended up being Nagisa who visited Tomoya's dad, not Sanae. That hairstyle caught me completely by surprise, but it looks good, pretty much a Sanae with a bun.

Since the last few episodes were talking about how depressing life was for Tomoya, I initially thought the company Sunohara was working at was the same one that intended on hiring Tomoya...not adding to Tomoya's bitterness.

But for now, it seems the rain's cleared up for a bit of sunshine.



And apparently Sanae's boobs are huge. Akio would be one to know.

I was thinking the same thing, I thought it was Sanae visiting Tomoya's dad. They look quite similar, those two girls when Nagisa has her hair up like that

[animus]

Episode 14 by group clusterfuck (http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/CLANNAD_AFTER%20STORY_14_PAS_%5BAQS%5D%5BSprocket% 5D%5BTWH%5D%5BA0026E3D%5D.avi.torrent)

edit: Rofl MC Akio. A really tender and sweet episode. I'm surprised at the end though, good going Nagisa.

[TheBladeChild]

Lol @ Nagisa at the ending, anyway I gotta admit that was pretty fast.

*high fives Tomoya*

[David75]

Is it possible you guys lost interrest in this show?

Because eventhough it seems less interresting on the surface, a lot is going behind the scenes I might say.

Somehow they just softly and quickly depict some of the hardships of living together, and the ever evolving world. I like how holding hands can lead to pregnancy :D

The restaurant in that ep and the shopping area were built at the expense of the trees Tomoyo was protecting in Tomoyo special (I think it was there). That's why Tomoya got a shock.


I'm only sad we do not get to see the little side story anymore.

On another note, with only two music themes, they can hold for a whole ep each time, nice.

[Nadouku]

I haven't lost interest, just waiting for the next release of the episode by Static-Subs. The story has begun to get deep, and I really want to know more about Tomoya's past than him spending more time with Nagisa and sharing their slice of life stories.

[Marik]

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[narutosharingan]

That was a terrific episode. It's been awhile since I've laughed so hard. As Tomoya says, only Nagisa can be so frank with her parents. That and MC Akio were just priceless.

[Yukimura]

A fine ep indeed but I felt the hand holding was too subtle a symbol for what it apparently was supposed to hint at. Hand holding is like the absolute first step of intimacy and then 5 min later we find out they've jumped all the way to the final step with no exposition on the journey to get there. Just try to imagine Nagisa trying to 'seduce' Tomoya or make out decently, I bet you start laughing too. I know we're not going to get an ecchi scene but I would have preferred they were at least shown looking at each other longingly in the bed or something or even a more pronounced comedy scene involving them getting used to one another as a husband and wife are supposed to.

And isn't Tomoya like 18-19? Are people in Japan so baby crazy that it's normal/encouraged for 18-19 year old newlyweds to jump to procreation so quickly?

Anyway, I really liked the way the worked in the undertone of change in this ep and I hope they'll continue to expand on that somehow. This season is 24 eps and if the pace continues this way it seems like we may end up following Tomoya and Nagisa all the way into middle age...creepy.

[David75]

A fine ep indeed but I felt the hand holding was too subtle a symbol for what it apparently was supposed to hint at. Hand holding is like the absolute first step of intimacy and then 5 min later we find out they've jumped all the way to the final step with no exposition on the journey to get there. Just try to imagine Nagisa trying to 'seduce' Tomoya or make out pdecently, I bet you start laughing too. I know we're not going to get an ecchi scene but I would have preferred they were at least shown looking at each other longingly in the bed or something or even a more pronounced comedy scene involving them getting used to one another as a husband and wife are supposed to.

And isn't Tomoya like 18-19? Are people in Japan so baby crazy that it's normal/encouraged for 18-19 year old newlyweds to jump to procreation so quickly?

Anyway, I really liked the way the worked in the undertone of change in this ep and I hope they'll continue to expand on that somehow. This season is 24 eps and if the pace continues this way it seems like we may end up following Tomoya and Nagisa all the way into middle age...creepy.

Not creepy by any means. If well done interresting for once I'd say ;) not usual for the least.

Regarding the quick baby thing, well remember we're in Japan, know for low natality. I don't know if they plan on stimulating early pregnancy like that, but to my (poor) knwoledge, age for first baby is quite late in Japan, and more than often there isn't a second one... which is a problem in an ever aging population.
On the other hand they are a bit cramped in their archipel and real estate and living expenses are very expensive, puting pressure on couples that can't afford lots of children, if one at all...

[Kraco]

The "She must be a rare animal on this Earth" scene was great. Good old Clannad stuff. I'm glad most of the darkness seems to be left behind already.

[shinta|hikari]

That was my favorite scene in this entire season, especially when Tomoya says "Nagisa is amazing" in his head with such emotion and amazement.

[Buffalobiian]

That was my favorite scene in this entire season, especially when Tomoya says "Nagisa is amazing" in his head with such emotion and amazement.

He's just thinking back to when they had....you know. :rolleyes:

MC Akio and his rhyming was pretty hilarious.

The scene where Nagisa reminds Tomoya of work actually had me confused for a bit. He's gone on for a few episodes about how he lost a position, and I've always assumed it was the job he's applying for, but the way he forgot about working in that scene, added with Nagisa's financial income made me think for a second he actually lost that one too, but was too ashamed to tell her.

After that I thought the show was going to go in the direction of Nagisa becoming more strong and independent while Tomoya just gets overtaken, then depressed. But that's not happening now.


The restaurant in that ep and the shopping area were built at the expense of the trees Tomoyo was protecting in Tomoyo special (I think it was there). That's why Tomoya got a shock.

The tree preservation was present in the main story too, not just the Special (if they ever talked about it there). I thought Tomoya was remnicent thoughts of Tomoyo there too, and thought "Stray thoughts and an affair with Tomoyo? This could get interesting...."

In the end though, he was more concerned about the trees as part of the hill where he and Nagisa met.

(But didn't Tomoyo said the tree protection was, well, permanent? Or was it just against the shopping centre scheme or something? I might be confusing this with another series.)

[TheBladeChild]

Anyway, I really liked the way the worked in the undertone of change in this ep and I hope they'll continue to expand on that somehow. This season is 24 eps and if the pace continues this way it seems like we may end up following Tomoya and Nagisa all the way into middle age...creepy.

Lol well put it this way, Akio and Sanae should be in their late 30s-mid 40s and they dont look too bad.

[k1sousuke]

since I'm at work and on my cell atm ill make this quick. I'm not trying to be mean but if u guys go bk to the ep tomoyo talks about her family and when they stroll by the trees they kinda look like cherry trees I don't see none on this path the reason tomoya looked dumbfounded after nagisa told him he has work the next day was prob bc he was still happy and in the clouds knowing that he was married. the reason y he acted weird towards the news of the ne school building and the new rest. was bc it was where he and nagisa met and walked together and he didn't want to loose those things he still had thought that nothing changes or it didn't matter but for him, an ex delinquent, now growing 'up' ....well u get the idea. like I said I'm sry if I came out sounding mean I'm just short on time ill edit if I have the chance

[Kraco]

The scene where Nagisa reminds Tomoya of work actually had me confused for a bit. He's gone on for a few episodes about how he lost a position, and I've always assumed it was the job he's applying for, but the way he forgot about working in that scene, added with Nagisa's financial income made me think for a second he actually lost that one too, but was too ashamed to tell her.

I was thinking he got one day off from work for getting married, and thus didn't remember it's again back to business the next day, being still all happy and giddy. It looked pretty natural.

The whole tree business was somewhat vague in my opinion as well. Like k1sousuke, I also seem to recall Tomoyo wanted to save cherry trees, not some random forest. And since the matter was settled, it would be strange if they had now suddenly been harvested and a restaurant already built there. While the scene seemed strange, I guess k1sousuke's explanation could hit the mark.

Well, even the school building talk scene seemed strange to me. The old building wasn't so old it would have been historically precious, so in my opinion it's utterly stupid to wish all the future generations of students should sit in the same moldy rooms just because he and Nagisa met there. Quite shallow thinking.

[narutosharingan]

Shallow, but important to him. Especially considering that he didn't really have many friends apart from Sunohara before he met Nagisa. And they're deeply in love, and you know how that skews most rational things anyway.

The first thing I thought of when I saw Tomoya's vision of the trees was about Tomoyo protecting them. But certainly, it could just be that those trees were memories on his way to school, and slowly things are changing from what they used to be.


edit: I just watched the episode again, and I can't stop laughing.

[fireheart]

Episode 15 by Aquastar-Anime & Sprocket Hole Subs & The Waffle House (http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/CLANNAD_AFTER%20STORY_15_PAS_%5BAQS%5D%5BSprocket% 5D%5BTWH%5D%5BFEFDBBD2%5D.avi.torrent)

[Marik]

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[Kraco]

I'm getting an awful feeling Nagisa will die while giving birth and Tomoya will be left alone with the baby. But perhaps such a drastic thing can't happen in a series like this, and it'll end well.

[NeoCybercoin]

I know what you are saying and I totally got that vibe as well. With the way things are going now....I think she will die giving birth. I really like this episode. Had enough emotion in it that reminded me of the previous season. So..next week will be the delivery huh?

[Nadouku]

Same thing with Kraco. Due to her weak physical conditions, giving birth to her baby would probably kill her, unless some miracle happens. Hopefully, she doesn't die. :(

[narutosharingan]

That's pretty much how I feel, and it seems Nagisa is preparing for the worst. I certainly hope she pulls through. I wonder how Tomoya would take something like that.

[animus]

Something makes me think Nagisa will die. And Tomoya + Ushio will end up in the same situation, as Tomoya + his dad.

[David75]

Something makes me think Nagisa will die. And Tomoya + Ushio will end up in the same situation, as Tomoya + his dad.

What I was going to write.

On the other hand, they prepared us so much, they insisted so much on it, that their hard times could be different.
There are other possible mishaps related to giving birth, or being pregnant.

[Buffalobiian]

Something makes me think Nagisa will die. And Tomoya + Ushio will end up in the same situation, as Tomoya + his dad.

Aye, since they've still got Tomoya's Dad's issues to wrap up. I'd think that because of how things will turn out, Tomoya will be able to forgive his dad (though perhaps it'll be too late, adding to the melancholy of this second season). I can see Tomoya+Ushio reflecting Tomoya+Dad's relationship, but it should end on a higher note. Tomoya has the support from his friends, while his dad's seemed reliant solely on alcohol, and perhaps on whoever called Tomoya about the cops.

The most concrete simile this episode was the construction scene. There's a saying in Chinese: "If the old doesn't go, the new will never come." In much the same way, Nagisa's life will be forfeit to bring a new being into the world, just as the forest makes way for a hospital.

Furthering that, alternate universe may represent the relationship between Nagisa & Ushio -> In a world where there is nothing, a woman gives a body to a new soul and, when the time is right, shows it to a new world.

[k1sousuke]

i actually think the alt universe is tomoya and ushio and in some way shape or form they will meet under certain circumstances ie the magical orbs during the yukine arc and as to what will take place is still kinda iffy for me i rly cant tell which route they will take movie or the game's 2 alternate endings i wont say nemore cuz honestly i cant remember nemore

[David75]

i actually think the alt universe is tomoya and ushio and in some way shape or form they will meet under certain circumstances ie the magical orbs during the yukine arc and as to what will take place is still kinda iffy for me i rly cant tell which route they will take movie or the game's 2 alternate endings i wont say nemore cuz honestly i cant remember nemore

You'd better keep quiet with anything you remember so as not to spoil anyone -including me, myself and I-, thanks ;)

I really like how this show tries to depict, even in a metaphoric way at times, the hardships you can meet in your life in the after highschool

[MFauli]

episode 16 is out

http://a.scarywater.net/aquastar/

Havent watched it yet, but, without talking about this in here, does anyone know if the series follows the same story as the movie?

[k1sousuke]

the movie is based mainly and solely on nagisa so the other girl's paths are never shown or developed basically so far the series has followed the movie to some extent omitting some parts.

[animus]

Episode 16 was painfully obvious it was going to happen, though I'd have liked it not to have happened. My prediction was on the money I guess.

Still, I was rather annoyed the writers or whatever went through with it, because we all knew it was going to happen and they practically shoved it in your face.

[Nadouku]

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[Kraco]

It wouldn't have been that bad - nah, it was still going to be bloody bad no matter what - but anyway if the preview hadn't been what it was. It's not impossible Tomoya could have overcome Nagisa's demise for the sake of the child, but the preview suggested he totally cracked and the baby isn't probably even living with him (at least I hope not if it indeed is as bad as it looked).

Goddam, I don't want to suffer through stories like this.

[Marik]

Wow, that was a very sad and depressing episode. It actually made me choke up a bit. The animation team did an amazing job of making you feel what was going on. That other world robot stuff still doesn't make any sense to me, and I'll probably never understand it. Hopefully it will have something to do with the main story in the future.

I enjoyed the party section of the episode the most. It was nice to see everyone, as I wasn't expecting any of them to show up again. I thought Sunohara's comments were rude and uncalled for, but none of others seemed to be offended by it, so it worked out. This was easily my favorite episode of the second season.

[David75]

It's the first time I've been watching a preview in a long long while.

I don't know how to interpret it, sometimes previews can be sickly misleading, although Nagisa's death would fit perfectly in what the show has become this season.

Regarding the little side story, Tomoya is the link, he mentionned it that ep as a dream he'd prefer not having anymore, or rather was annoyed to have it back.

[Nadouku]

It was nice to see the original cast of characters get together again, and having Nagisa's last reunion party before... that happened.

It was already tear-jerking enough that Tomoya had to do everything to keep her companied, but now he's regretting things that he's done, which seems faulty in his character. No matter what happens, you should always look forward and contribute to things that you couldn't do in the past. Well, based on the preview, it seems like Tomoya had given up on life.

[animus]

You can't really blame him. He's taken the blame upon himself of why she died. He believes that being involved in a relationship with her, her going through childbirth and in the end her death were his cause. He's right, but though she could've lived a longer life, it wouldn't have been as great as her short and happy life.

Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved.

[narutosharingan]

That really teared me up. I had a small hope that Nagisa would somehow survive, but that was a gut-wrenching episode. The reunion, the thoughts that Tomoya were having led you to suspect that she really would die, but the way they did it was so well done, and very sad. Tomoya desperately trying to keep Nagisa awake by talking to her, yet nothing could've been done. Based on the preview, it looks like the appt is incredibly messy and uncared for, which leads me to suspect Ushio is probably with Akio and Sanae.

[Buffalobiian]

You can't really blame him. He's taken the blame upon himself of why she died. He believes that being involved in a relationship with her, her going through childbirth and in the end her death were his cause. He's right, but though she could've lived a longer life, it wouldn't have been as great as her short and happy life.

Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved.

But to Tomoya, Nagisa could have lived just as happy a life if she found someone else. Or if she didn't, then at least she could enjoy life a bit more. To him, their meeting sealed her fate. You can also see exactly why Ushio will probably come to hate him. To Tomoya, Ushio not only reminds him of Nagisa, but also the very reason she died. She died for Ushio. She died for Tomoya. She died because she met Tomoya.

Depressing as it is, they did a very good job here. In particular, the blurred and blackening vision just showed how unreal that moment must have been.

I never liked the ED, but this time it just fucking killed it.

[David75]

Tomoya can always blame himself for coupling with Nagisa. He can have the impossible whish of canceling that very fact.
However, if not him, Nagisa may have met another guy and live the same life with that one, leading to a similar ending.

That very wish at that time, the fact he wants to have everything canceled, is a huge slap in the face of Nagisa, because he also denies her the right to choose her path with him even if that path means her death.
I know all too well that in such a case you'd have that extreme thoughts, but if Tomoya ends up being extreme by cutting links with Ushio and live like his father did with him... that'd be just sad and uncarying for Nagisa.

[Kraco]

I know all too well that in such a case you'd have that extreme thoughts, but if Tomoya ends up being extreme by cutting links with Ushio and live like his father did with him... that'd be just sad and uncarying for Nagisa.

Like father, like son. In fact considering Tomoya's personality and everything we have seen, I think this path, as ugly as it is, is natural for him. He never got over his dad's failure and it seems to me Nagisa was, to put it bluntly, a way for him to escape the reality of his own desolate soul. Now with Nagisa gone, he would need to rebuild himself to dedicate himself to Ushio, but it looks like he hasn't got the mental stability for that anymore. He was a broken person to begin with. A veritable time bomb.

[David75]

Like father, like son. In fact considering Tomoya's personality and everything we have seen, I think this path, as ugly as it is, is natural for him. He never got over his dad's failure and it seems to me Nagisa was, to put it bluntly, a way for him to escape the reality of his own desolate soul. Now with Nagisa gone, he would need to rebuild himself to dedicate himself to Ushio, but it looks like he hasn't got the mental stability for that anymore. He was a broken person to begin with. A veritable time bomb.


That's very true, in fact he was a delinquent to begin with but somehow was tamed anytime Nagisa was around. But even then, he had his occasional fights.
Nagisa gone, he may just return to what he was, or even getting worse, who knows.

Somehow I wish the preview was volutarily misleading, but as I wrote before, this show is consistent, so the mislead might be too demanding.

[narutosharingan]

But to Tomoya, Nagisa could have lived just as happy a life if she found someone else. Or if she didn't, then at least she could enjoy life a bit more. To him, their meeting sealed her fate. You can also see exactly why Ushio will probably come to hate him. To Tomoya, Ushio not only reminds him of Nagisa, but also the very reason she died. She died for Ushio. She died for Tomoya. She died because she met Tomoya.

Depressing as it is, they did a very good job here. In particular, the blurred and blackening vision just showed how unreal that moment must have been.

I never liked the ED, but this time it just fucking killed it.


I was so upset they used that ending. Seriously, happy music after she just died? What were they thinking

[TheBladeChild]

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[David75]

Nice ep, although it's a bit strange in a way

[animus]

Quite an enjoyable ep. Though I'm surprised they didn't mirror the Tomoya and father situation with Ushio being a girl instead of a boy

[k1sousuke]

i was hoping that they would of taken the movie approach to end the series but by the way they are taking things they want to close all loose ends....not bad of an ep it was funny seeing ushio running around like some unknown object till the mid ep transition and at least to me tomoya seems to have taken a more diff approach to treating ushio than his dad treated him. at least his dad let him live and acknowledged him as a person but tomoya seem to not even want to know anything about ushio ... just my impression

[Marik]

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Good episode. I'm glad they didn't spend too much time on depressed Tomoya. I didn't want to see him like that.

Shio-chan is cute. It was kinda sad to watch the interation between her and her father. He seemed so disinterested and uncaring. I especially hated the part where he was smoking around her.

Sanae is awesome. She'll worry you to death until you give in. That was the best part of this episode to me.

[Nadouku]

Tomoya is still exhibiting weak characteristics from his usual self by plaguing his thoughts of the past. He lost his wife, and is emotionally broken down, but he should really start a new with his daughter, Ushio, and hopefully not mirror what his father's situation was. Unlike his father (presumably), Tomoya has some friends to back him up during his time of depressing, so that's what's gonna lead me to believe that he won't exactly follow where his father's path lies.

On the other hand, he hasn't known Ushio at all for five years, and that's just dispicable. Quite a fluent episode of back-to-back father/daughter's first relationship, although Tomoya might need to work on his fathering techniques a little more for being a workaholic and big spender, as evidented from his actions in this episode and there on.

[animus]

There looks to be conflict next episode. Tomoya can't control his attitude anymore, as well as scaring his daughter.

[Kraco]

I deem it pretty evident Tomoya is but a shell of a person somewhat holding together by drowning himself in work so that he would have no time to think of anything else. He pretty much said as much, himself. While it's sad his daughter is a stranger to him, and vice versa, it wouldn't have done any good to Ushio to be in his company if he can't let the past be past and move onto the future. Things would have mirrored Tomoya and his old man's relationship in that case, if he hadn't succeeded in changing himself. Seeing how he is a pretty weak person, he might not have been able to.

Other than that morbid stuff, Ushio certainly is an amalgam of Tomoya and Nagisa.

[narutosharingan]

It certainly has taken Tomoya a long time to try and get over Nagisa. I'm surprised they fastforwarded 5 years. Based on the preview, Tomoya still has his many issues of depression and anger. But it'll be interesting to see whether Ushio will have any effect on him for the positive, or he'll just end up the same. Maybe he'll reflect on what his father was like, and that will push him to become a better father.

I also thought the ending was much better. The skipping in the beginning of the ED was actually Ushio, and the lead into it was much better.

[TheBladeChild]

This was a touching episode i gotta admit, anyway looks like Ushio will bring Tomoya out of the darkness. Also I love how Sanae has aged a day since Nagisa died.

[Kraco]

The five years skip might have been needed simply because now that Ushio already is old enough to have thinking capabilities, it will be immensely easier to build a plot that may allow Tomoya to shift his attention from Nagisa to Ushio (from past to future) and heal. If Ushio was very young, she would have no lines and far more limited potential for interaction.

[narutosharingan]

That is certainly true. Plus, they would have to dwell on Tomoya's depression as well. They kept that short in the beginning.

[Buffalobiian]

Haha, I knew the family genes would run like this. Ushi looks exactly the same as Sanae and Nagisa :D (More Nagisa though, with the occasional pouting look) :o

It's always sad to see parents and kids treat each other like strangers, but this was by far the best way for things to go. Beeing raised by Sanae and Akki (I loved that part :)), Ushio gets a proper upbringing, even if it wasn't from her actual parent, while Tomoya takes his time to get over things. When he's ready, Ushio would be there to start fresh with him.

On the other hand, if she had stayed with him since birth, who knows how neglected she'd be. We can only guess from the way Tomoya lives, and his smoking. Even if Tomoya's ready, say 5 years down the track, he'd have to repair the damage to their relationship he's caused previously.

You can say Tomoya's fallen into depression, but he's still got enough in him to clean the house and act more cheerfully when people come around. That in itself shows he hasn't completely hit rock bottom, like his Dad had. It's just when he's by himself, stray thoughts get to him, which he wards off by working, which is why Ushio occupying his time is a healthy way for things to go. (For Tomoya, at least).

It's also great knowing she refers them as Sanae-san and Akki, leaving it completely open for Tomoya to be called "Daddy" the first time (betting it'll be the climax of the series). Not only is there no identity crisis for Ushio down the track, but it also prevents Tomoya to completely palm her off and assume no responsibility over her.

Overall, a very entertaining episode, and refreshingly more to my liking than I expected last week.

[animus]

Ushio is too cute to not like her. The cute moments with Tomoya's awkward lack of father talent moments meshed well like bragging about going to the bathroom. And Tomoya bragging that he could do it too.

[Buffalobiian]

About that, it looks like she misses next episode, cops an outburst and runs away.

(Yeah, the "I can do it too" put a smile on my face )

[narutosharingan]

Shio is ridiculously cute. At first I though it was some other kid running around, and then I realized they skipped 5 years. But their interactions were great, even though they don't spend much time together.

[oyabun]

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Freaking awesome episode.

[animus]

Ushio is pretty awesome. And yeah, that was a really sweet and very warm episode.

I'll admit, I cried a bit.

[MFauli]

really heart-warming episode.

but now that tomoya and ushio already got together, i wonder how this series ends. another dramatic event, maybe?

[Buffalobiian]

Wow. I didn't realise this many people watch AQS.

[animus]

They're decent enough and come out fast.

[Marik]

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[Nadouku]

Tomoya finally learned from a fatal mistake that he shouldn't have ever done: not knowing what to protect and who to care for. That was so touching the way how he managed to learn from it and how it brought Ushio closer to him. Very warm-hearted episode.

[Buffalobiian]

-That was some episode, agreed. I snapped when Tomoya did remembering Nagisa. That perfectly placed soundtrack sure does the job. They actually wrapped everything up this episode, save the Tomoya-father bit, so I'm expecting another timeskip sometime down the track.

-That robot very much resembled the one in the opening, especially the head. Now that it's lost though, I guess it wasn't symbolizing anything.

-What I was surprised to hear though, was that Ushio knew all this time Tomoya was her dad.Seeing as he's only seen her a few times these past few years, it totally caught me off guard.

[David75]

I was semi-touched by this ep. But I was a tad annoyed to by a detail that holds a lot.

Why does Sanae-san tell Ushio to go to the Toilets to cry!
That's purely insane! I won't talk too much about it and the psychology behind that, but to me it shows that Sanae has a severe problem too and I even wonder if she's somehow responsible for Nagisa's condition... (I'm maybe going a bit far here...)

Regarding Tomoya, we now understand that unconsiously he choosed Nagisa because he felt she was so weak she could die on him. I wonder how unconscious it was, still he lived that to the extent he ends up in almost the same situation his father was around his age.

[Buffalobiian]

Regarding Tomoya, we now understand that unconsiously he chose Nagisa because he felt she was so weak she could die on him.

Huh? You mean like while they were at school, Tomoya thought if he had left her, she'd sink and all without his support? While he definitely saw the weak person in her, I didn't think he thought of himself so highly as the support of Nagisa.

[fireheart]

The way I see it she told her to go cry in the bathroom because no one is there to comfort her and as a way to distance both her and Akio from Ushio. Now why do this? Because they're waiting for Tomoya to get his act together and take responsibility for Ushio. They simply did it to leave the spot of parent open for him and to make Ushio miss her dad so to not take his place. Same reason why they didn't tell her about Nagisa. Think it probably hurt them a lot to not comfort her when she's sad or tell her about Nagisa etc so I'd rather give them credit for having that much faith in Tomoya for those 5 years.

I highly disagree with the whole he chose her just because she's so weak that she can die on him. Hell I'd describe Nagisa as weak because her body was weak, it's the truth so why shouldn't he say it? But he's making a point of how kind she was and strong willed even though her body was weak.

[Kraco]

Damn, that was one awesome episode. I don't remember when I last time watched something so emotional. Excellent scenes towards the end. Those two really saved each other, and no small thanks to the crying rule. Considering how good people Sanae and Akio are, the rule must have hurt them as much as Ushio.

Wow, David, where did all that negativity suddenly come from?

[animus]

Regarding Tomoya, we now understand that unconsiously he choosed Nagisa because he felt she was so weak she could die on him. I wonder how unconscious it was, still he lived that to the extent he ends up in almost the same situation his father was around his age.

Wait, what? This episode didn't indicate anything like that. And he didn't choose her because she was gonna die on him... Unless you mean somehow he wanted his situation to be exactly like his father's, which would just be far-fetched.

[David75]

Think about it:
I'm not saying he did it on purpose, just that something inside him had him towards Nagisa. You know the "like father, like son" idea. Unconciously by chosing Nagisa, the outcome could be that she eventually dies.
And then, they even go as far as having a child together.
That's also the truth behind his lamentations on Nagisa's death bed, just he doesn't know some force in him pushed him that way.

For a reason, lots of things in that ep rubbed me the wrong way.

And the "Cry in the toilets" thing was a climax to me, because it's some kind of psycological torture, again to me. I know the stereotypical japanese should'nt show much emotions, but that's going a little far. Oh and it's not located only in Japan...
The thing is that it's the seemingly incarnation of good that did this to Ushio.
Toilets other than their obvious use carry a deep meaning, even more for young children.

So telling them to go there to hide their sorrow from everyone isn't something healthy

Oh, and I knew I'd get a negrep from this anyway, thanks.

[Ryllharu]

Why does Sanae-san tell Ushio to go to the Toilets to cry!
That's purely insane! I won't talk too much about it and the psychology behind that, but to me it shows that Sanae has a severe problem too and I even wonder if she's somehow responsible for Nagisa's condition... (I'm maybe going a bit far here...)

Regarding Tomoya, we now understand that unconsiously he choosed Nagisa because he felt she was so weak she could die on him. I wonder how unconscious it was, still he lived that to the extent he ends up in almost the same situation his father was around his age.Yes, Sanae has Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome, and loved that her daughter was sick all the time and is now dead. :rolleyes:

Sanae told Ushio to go to toilets to cry probably because she didn't want Ushio to look like a crybaby like Nagisa did. Especially in front of her father. That's why the other stipulation was that Ushio could only cry in her own father's arms, because after that point, he would have accepted her. The point of this roundabout method, I don't know, but Sanae probably knows best. Perhaps Tomoya would have recognized his daughter's plight sooner if he always saw her crying, or perhaps he would have only seen more of Nagisa in her and labeled her more of a burden. The same may be for Sanae. Having another crybaby would remind her of her own deceased daughter. Crying only in the bathroom also gives Ushio the outer appearance of being happy, instead how lonely she has felt until now.

Regarding Tomoya, you've got the cause and effect backward. After Nagisa died, Tomoya kept thinking that everything would have been better off if he had never met Nagisa. He wouldn't feel hurt, beaten down and depressed. He wouldn't have a constant reminder of his dead wife in Ushio (he had asked Sanae whether she was alone or not when she dropped by, referring to her usually bringing Ushio along). Tomoya remembered that Nagisa, though she was weak, had little tricks to give her just enough confidence to continue on. He chose her because he, being the weaker of the two ultimately, was relying so much on her. When everything clicked, he finally figured it out and realized that he was even weaker than his own "deadbeat" father. In her own crybaby way, Nagisa supported Tomoya and his rehabilitation. When he lost her, he went back to the way he was before he met Nagisa. He cries at the end because having finally realizing what he's become, all the memories of how Nagisa supported him flood back, and he relates those to his daughter on the ride back.

In short, when she died, Tomoya forgot why he loved Nagisa. He forgot how she was strong, and could only remember where she was weak. He chose Nagisa for her strengths, but mourned her for her weaknesses.

EDIT: I think this post covers your newest one as well David.

[animus]

The reason he chose Nagisa was I'm sure because the producers deemed it the best choice and would feed for good drama. And that's just ridiculous. There is no subconscious telling you that he should choose a person to be his wife that he knows is gonna die eventually, so that she would be exactly like his mother. Besides he knew she was weak, that's it. He didn't know what she had, or how severe it was. I'm positive there was no thought in his head when he started dating her that clicked and said "Yep, she's gonna die."

For crying in the bathroom, I honestly thought it was a way for Sanae and Akio to make her a stronger child, and look for comfort from the only one parent she had, and when they were finally ready to be a family. Showing emotions to the public is no different than showing emotions to only those that love you.

[David75]

There are just other places than toilets right?
And bathroom is a different translation for the word Toilet Ushio uses.
She's got her own bedroom, that's a place of her own and she can go there if it's too painful for Sanae and Akio. I know I've been a bit far with my saying Sanae was responsible for Nagisa's bad health. But Ushio's comments really angered greatly.

Regarding Tomoya, at first he knew fairly fast that she was weak in body and the storytelling kept reminding us.
Eventually, after living long enough with her, he knew how feeble she can be, there's even that particular dream.

I'm not saying he did it consciously, or wilingly, it's just that it happened to be like that and that there's more than statistics behing it. Psychology is a hard thing, and some of our choices are tainted by our experiences in life, even against our reasoning.
It wasn't wanted, it wasn't conscious, but after all he dated a health fragile girl, then share life with her and eventhough she was that fragile they had a baby. And I know what it means, really. But I guess that when you're out of such situations, you can't understand.

[Ryllharu]

There are just other places than toilets right?
And bathroom is a different translation for the word Toilet Ushio uses.
She's got her own bedroom, that's a place of her own and she can go there if it's too painful for Sanae and Akio. I know I've been a bit far with my saying Sanae was responsible for Nagisa's bad health. But Ushio's comments really angered greatly.
The reason Ushio uses "toilet" instead of "bathroom" is probably because most Japanese houses do not have a bathtub in the same room as the toilet. That's not the point of why Sanae told her to use the toilet to cry. Is Ushio's bedroom accessible everywhere she goes? Is a closet? The kitchen? No. Sanae told her to cry in toilets because nearly everywhere she may go, there will be a toilet she can excuse herself to. No one will think, "I need to use the toilet," will mean that she is going to go cry. It makes it appear that Ushio just needs to go to the bathroom, a perfectly normal occurrence for children her age. She can cry all she wants, as many times as she wants, and no one will notice.

Think back just one episode. How many times did Ushio go to the toilet? It really changes the dynamics of that episode if you think that way. Tomoya caught her finishing her tears on the train, but he waited the other times in Sanae's house. Ushio was almost certainly crying most of those times. Sanae and Akio had run off after promising to go with her. Her father shows up, and is as usual cold to her. Her favorite toy broke, she fell, etc. Why wouldn't a five year old cry in those situations?

That episode wasn't so shiny and bright like we all thought it was, was it?



As for the rest, Tomoya took the risk of having a child with her. He loved Nagisa, and they did ecchi things together. :D In the end, he thought she'd be fine, but that's the way things ended up. He couldn't cope as a result. Don't confuse the cause and effect.

You're looking too deeply into this. This isn't Evangelion, Lain, Now and Then Here or There, School Days, or White Album.

[David75]

Ok let's say I just put in some out of subject things that made the ep not as fine for me as it was for others. I'm aware of that too.

[MFauli]

and they did ecchi things together.

Great message that this series sends, though: "Have sex and someone dies"

:-/

[fireheart]

Small thing but don't she actually cried in ep 17 when she went to the bathroom because she kept saying she did it on her own which she also did in ep 18, not to mention both of the times in ep 17 she said what she was going to do even in ep 18. The only time we know for sure she cried in the bathroom she just left on her own without saying anything.

[Ryllharu]

One could equally suppose that she says that every time, either way. The point was that no one else would really know. It's possible she was crying those times, and maybe not.

You're right though, I should have said, "certainly crying some of those times" instead of, "certainly crying most of those times."

[narutosharingan]

The first thing that really struck me was that that robot was incredibly similar to the opening scene robot, as mentioned. I think more important significance was what Ushio said, that it was the first thing Tomoya bought for her.

It seems as though we'll finally have a chance for Tomoya and his father to interact more. I wonder if he'll help his father get back on his feet before sending him home.

Will Ushio stay with Tomoya at his apartment or will he move back in with Sanae and Akki...err Akio?

[Buffalobiian]

Will Ushio stay with Tomoya at his apartment or will he move back in with Sanae and Akki...err Akio?

I'd think the best thing would be:

a) Tomoya moves back in with Akio & Sanae. Them two still know Ushio best, and can teach Tomoya how to actually care for a child.

or

b) Tomoya moves back in with his dad, taking Ushio with him. Without Akki and Sanae, she'd be able to get some more time with her dad, while caring for his grandson would also give Tomoya's dad a starting point to work on, since he's lost his job and friends.

[k1sousuke]

wow this ep has flared up many debates.....
neways... i liked this ep no matter what ne1 says.
1st off now has anyone began to think that the illusionary world is a parallel of tomoya and ushio?ie. the robot doll and how tomoya HAS heard the play nagisa played in s1 and its the 1st thing ushio's dad gave to her and how the girl decided to make a robot...and about the bathroom comments everyone's flaming about ever thought as to WHY sanae never shows a sad expression? Why is she always so cheerful? yea it could be her nature but she just lost her only daughter were else is she going to cry? in he r room with akio? sanae doesnt seem that type of character. In a closet? Im sure its a more plausible option but were is the most (for some) private place in the home for many families?a place were no one can interrupt you? I know im probably personifying these characters too much but how do you think sanae feels every time she sees ushio? a reminder of her daughter every day and every night. even a normal person would break. i know from personal experience how hard it is to smile every time you look at someone or something that brings back memories from the you lost 2 years nor 5 years maybe not even a lifetime can you ever truly forget them.sry going off-topic. the way i see it in a way yea sanae might of suggested some other "place to cry" but i see the bathroom/toilet idea somewhat feasible now as to comments about his regretting ever meeting nagisa what are you supposed to do when you meet the one person that supports you and you cant help but to support them back? are you guys going to just ignore that person?...i realize this will cause more flames so i will stop. hmm whats next...from the looks of it tomoya might finaly forgive/relive his father from his duties seeing how hard it was for tomoya and finally understanding what his father did for him we might get the conclusion to him and his father's problems.

@Buffalobiian
b) ..., while caring for his grandson (who's grandson?)would also give Tomoya's dad a starting point to work on(work on what?), since he's lost his job and friends.

im usually not critical about other people's post but im somewhat lost as to what you have posted. no matter what the circumstances i highly doubt tomoya would want his father to take care of his daughter secondly after tomoya finally forgives or whatever he decides on doing what are the chances that his father will stay around much less take care of his son's daughter after he did what he did to his own son yea he might wanna reconcile and change but at this point i highly doubt its possible again im sorry im not trying to offend you or anything but i just dont see anything plausible in that particular statement

[narutosharingan]

That's way too annoying to read...paragraphs would be helpful

[Buffalobiian]

Lots (114) of words, not many (1) full stops.

Woh. Let me break that up.

No matter what the circumstances, I highly doubt Tomoya would want his father to take care of his daughter.

You moved onto your second point after this without explaining. Now I'm lost as to why you say this.


Secondly, after Tomoya finally forgives or whatever he decides on doing, what are the chances that his father will stay around, much less take care of his son's daughter after he did what he did to his own son.

After he did what to his own son? Raise him up when he was still ~5years old, swallowing the pain and keeping up his smile in front of Tomoya because he still depended on his father? Sure, he snapped towards the end, getting drunk and all, but he was strong enough to stay in shape when Tomoya needed him most. Comparing this to Tomoya, he was a stronger person. Tomoya realises this now himself, which is why he's now both ashamed of his own collapse and able to forgive his dad.

I do agree on your point that Grand-dad's not going to stick around though. The old lady did ask for him to come home.


Yeah, he might wanna reconcile and change but at this point I highly doubt it's possible.

Why not? He held himself up all those years because he had to take care of someone (Tomoya). Being the sole support of a kid that young, he would have told himself not to fall apart. By loving and caring for that child, he was able to change from his depressed state, at least for a while. Taking care of a child is also extremely busy, thus taking up his time instead of letting him sink into depressed thoughts and actions (drinking). I think there was a reason why Tomoya's dad broke later rather than earlier.

That's why I'm saying getting him to take care of Ushio isn't a bad idea.


Again I'm sorry, I'm not trying to offend you or anything but i just don't see anything plausible in that particular statement

No offense taken, just really hard to read.:(

[Nadouku]

After he did what to his own son?
The biggest reason why Tomoya hated his father was because he kept treating Tomoya like a stranger, even though his father didn't mean to do that, and possibly another reason is that he slammed his son into the wall, causing his shoulder to dislocate permanently so he lost his place in playing basketball.


1st off now has anyone began to think that the illusionary world is a parallel of tomoya and ushio?ie. the robot doll and how tomoya HAS heard the play nagisa played in s1 and its the 1st thing ushio's dad gave to her and how the girl decided to make a robot...
I agree with you that the girl and the robot mirrors Ushio and Tomoya, and that losing that robot doll will probably end in some terrible event for the girl and the robot in the illusionary world, as well as Ushio and Tomoya.


WHY sanae never shows a sad expression?
She probably did when Nagisa died, which can be said with the same thing to Akio; it's just that the scene was never animated to make them look liked they cried, but it's heavily implied at the end of the scene when Tomoya breaks down.

[k1sousuke]

sorry its kinda hard to write paragraphs at 3am om my 14th straight night at work. that's what i wrote on my cell phone and i didnt have time to break it up b/c something came up and buff now i under stand what you wrote i was just tired.

again, it just doesnt seem like tomoya's dad would want to raise his daughter. not that he failed or anything but does he still have the strength or the will to raise another child? yea it would be helpful and be in a way a sort of redemption for the bridge he created but to me it seems like he's too exhausted for the parenting job he did what he could with tomoya to the point where he himself got tired so that makes me wonder if he could even do it again?

ill edit my previous post later today so ppl can actually read it kinda hard to write properly on a cellphone

[Board of Command]

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[Nadouku]

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[animus]

That was quite the magical episode, the same feel good feeling from a Disney movie.

Tomoya also looked a lot more mature. He had those eyebags which I don't recall him having last episode.

[MFauli]

i really wonder how this series will end.
it just wouldnt be happy end imo, if tomoya ended up alone, living only for the sake of his child. that would be a bitter-sweet ending. he should find a new wife, there are enough choices.

[animus]

When they were talking about Ushio's teacher, I'm sure they were talking about the Kiyou, since she wanted to be a preschool teacher. Maybe he'll end up with her? Though, that's 99% unlikely, it wouldn't hurt to see Tomoya remarry. Sanae did say for him to pursue happiness, which I thought she had meant for him to forget about her death, move on, and get a new lover.

[Marik]

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I'm not really buying into those whole what a great father he was lovefest. A father that got drunk, fought me, and injured me to the point where I can't lift my arm up anymore, isn't so damn great in my opinion.

[Kraco]

Tomoya getting remarried, or implied he would, that is, getting a new girlfriend, would be the best kind of good ending for this show. While it would be kind of a "second choice" ending if he ended up with one of the harem girls of the first season, who knows, based on these two seasons I have pretty good trust in the story author's skills to pull off anything.

All in all I have surely been impressed by these last episodes. There was a time I let the unwatched After Story episode count rise to three before bothering to watch, during the darkest times, but now the series has certainly redeemed itself with Ushio. But if we really want to see Tomoya do better than his own father, he would need to get a new wife. After all, it's not like his dad was broken in the beginning, only later, so right now Tomoya isn't yet in any better position, unless you count his awareness of a bad example and Sanae and Akki's ever present support.

[Nadouku]

It was good that Tomoya didn't actually fall into the same pit as his dad and that he learned from his past mistakes and have decided to redeem on those lost values. I am touched by his actions at this point, especially when he decided to bravely give his father a visit and relinquish him of his miseries so that Tomoya can take care of the rest. Truly an inspiring event. And... Fuko finally gets some screen time in the second season. Holy shit, how long has it been since we even last saw her!?

About Tomoya getting another girlfriend, who do you think might benefit him the most? I think starting a second life, like Kraco said, would be the best choice for Tomoya.

[MFauli]

Haha, oh well, how about Akio dies in some accident and Tomoya marries Sanae? At least that way noone could complain about "being second choice", since both would be comforting each other. Of course, that&#180;d be a weird ending, haha.

Though im afraid something might happen to Tomoya&#180;s dad. It was great to see him apologizing to his dad, but even though his dad said that everything&#180;s okay now...i dont buy that, yet. not completely, at least. and i dont want him to commit suicide, but that&#180;s exactly what im thinking about. His reactions werent that clear imo...and instead of finally feeling good, knowing that he raised a fine son...he could also feel that now he&#180;s useless...and makes himself an end. I&#180;d be shocked if that happened, but i think it&#180;s possible. :-(

[Ryllharu]

I find it a little farfetched that Fuuko looks exactly the same she did when she fell into the coma. Her mental state being a first year high school student, fine, but she should have at least grown a little.

They are definitely setting up a reunion with Kyou, and I always felt the storyline with she and her sister was completely abandoned at the end of the first season. They were starting to develop whatever triangle might exist between Ryou, Kyou and Tomoya and then it was just, "Oops, we lost onee-chan!" and plenty of sobbing. Seriously pissed me off. It compounded my thought that they had wasted too much time on Fuuko and Kotomi.

All that said, if Tomoya is moving on and getting a new wife, I'd still prefer Tomoyo, but Kyou would be fine too.

[Kraco]

Though im afraid something might happen to Tomoya&#180;s dad. It was great to see him apologizing to his dad, but even though his dad said that everything&#180;s okay now...i dont buy that, yet. not completely, at least. and i dont want him to commit suicide, but that&#180;s exactly what im thinking about. His reactions werent that clear imo...and instead of finally feeling good, knowing that he raised a fine son...he could also feel that now he&#180;s useless...and makes himself an end. I&#180;d be shocked if that happened, but i think it&#180;s possible.

He was already useless. Also, his state during the whole show was underlining the living for the past mistake that became very topical for Tomoya in these eps. I could be wrong but my feeling is his role is pretty much finished now. It would be the best spot to finish it. He was only living for the past, and now he was freed from that burden. He might die as well, though, but I think they could spend the remaining eps for better and more significant things than that, things bringing more to the table.

And hah hah about marrying Sanae. Seriously, Akio dying would be outrageous beyond imagination in any case. He's the most awesome character in the show.

Actually, in the end, the second choice setting could be really interesting, considering the level of script writing here. My initial feeling is always somewhat dubious, considering the mental burden, or awkwardness, and the fact it would still feel far less romantic than the primary choice. Still, it's just my personal problem since I don't want to watch morbid dramas (damn KGNE for wounding me permanently).

[Ryllharu]

It wouldn't have to be that unromantic if they just make it look like Tomoya is starting to move on. If they fulfilled it, yeah, that would kind of suck considering how few episodes are left.

If they just spend the last three episodes working in some new romance (Kyou for the example we've been playing with), they could end it in a place where the 'second choice' would start hanging around, learning to interact with Ushio. They'd end it with Tomoya and say...Kyou holding hands on a bench, with Ushio playing or something.

Hand holding means a lot without saying anything. Just a final message leaving a little hope.

[Buffalobiian]

Fuuko having a mentality of a freshman (as in senior high freshman?) was fine....but I think they went a bit overboard having her in a sand pit :p

I thoroughly enjoyed the scene between Tomoya and his dad. The realistic awkwardness really made it for me. They really care about each other (now), but have trouble expressing themselves after so many years of not communicating. The fact that their feelings get through despite all this was touching.

Only other thing I'll add here is that I really thought Tomoya would change his mind and live with the Furukawas after hearing Sanae cry. It seemed like an obvious "repaying" method so to speak.

[Kraco]

Nah. He might have done that, but all things considered a person who has lived on his own for years is not that likely to move in to his parents or wife's parents house anymore. Also, I think he didn't want to bother Sanae and Akio anymore. They probably wouldn't have been bothered that much, though, considering they felt Ushio saved them, but that's pretty general thinking on Tomoya's part; he had somebody else completely take care of his child for five years, which is a lot of work. Besides, Sanae cried now because her daughter died, not because Ushio was leaving. All in all they are good people and know Ushio really belongs to her father's company now that the father is healed, not theirs.

[narutosharingan]

I find it a little farfetched that Fuuko looks exactly the same she did when she fell into the coma. Her mental state being a first year high school student, fine, but she should have at least grown a little.



I can't quite recall from the first season, but I thought Fuuko looked taller than before.

It would be interesting if Tomoya actually got a wife, since they might be hinting at that. I wonder if that's possible, though, considering how much he loved Nagisa. Is it possible for him to love another woman like that? And while some might think Kyou, he didn't really give any interest towards her before, did he? That could, of course, be because of Nagisa, but to me it seems like he shouldn't be able to love just after getting over Nagisa (kind of).

[Buffalobiian]

Of all the girls Tomoya had in contact with, I'm pretty sure Tomoyo was the only one to have visited his home, even if they weren't invited nor welcomed.

[Ryllharu]

And while some might think Kyou, he didn't really give any interest towards her before, did he? That could, of course, be because of Nagisa, but to me it seems like he shouldn't be able to love just after getting over Nagisa (kind of).It was that the writers and director didn't give any interest towards Kyou. She was only there for comedy relief and occasional fanservice (gym uniform, knee socks, laying prostrate in the storage room). Sunohara of all people got more character development than Kyou.

Counting this season and the last, he actually got a lot more.

[fireheart]

Of all the girls Tomoya had in contact with, I'm pretty sure Tomoyo was the only one to have visited his home, even if they weren't invited nor welcomed.

Actually all the girls visited his home when he got suspended after taking the fall for Tomoyo though they all did it at the same time so Tomoyo is the only one that spent time with him alone at his home.

[Buffalobiian]

Actually all the girls visited his home when he got suspended after taking the fall for Tomoyo though they all did it at the same time so Tomoyo is the only one that spent time with him alone at his home.

Ah, quite true. I forgot about that. Did his father meet them? Because I can only remember Tomoyo speaking with him.

[fireheart]

No they didn't met with his father since he had already left when the other ones came, so Tomoyo would be the only one other than Nagisa to have met with him. Unless they met him somewhere offscreen.


Edit: Didn't realize this until just a moment ago when I went back to check out the first ep again but Tomoya daydreams about the time when he went to his grandmothers place and you can see him as a kid with his dad on the train and in the field.

[David75]

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[animus]

Really good episode, with a bit of drama at the end for next week.

[MFauli]

seems like clannad becomes a bit filler-ish now.
no way is ushio going to die, so thats just toying around with us, the audience. he&#180;ll marry kyou, end of story.

[Marik]

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[Kraco]

This certainly seemed to try to give the image Ushio inherited Nagisa's weakness. As well it might have been any regular sickness and everybody just overreacted. But you can't say the name of the next ep revealed in the preview wouldn't have been ominous indeed. While I deem Ushio dying during this show an event highly unlikely, it looks like the rest of the season won't be all celebration either.

At least Kyou's finger was free of a ring, as far as I could see. The way she also started to "bully" Tomoya towards the end of the ep is suggestive. Let's hope for the best.

[Nadouku]

Good episode, highlights the daily activities of the Okazakis. I couldn't help but get the omnious feeling that something worse is gonna happen to Ushio, as it seems to foreshadow her demise by repeat visits of the new hospital on her strolls. It's probably symbolic for fate.

It seems Fuko had forgotten about Tomoya and Nagisa, but she still has the vibe of connection between them, as evidented in her wanting to play with Ushio most of the time.

[Ryllharu]

If it was possible for Fuuko to get any weirder, she certainly did. I won't deny that I still enjoy the fact that 5 years later she still looks and acts like an middle schooler. I particularly like how she attempts to imply that she's more adult and mature than Tomoya.

Am I just idly hoping that Kyou and Tomoya were flirting, or were they actually? I mean I know he still loves Nagisa more, but he needs a little happiness too. Fuuko can be a big sister, but Ushio still could use a mother figure. Sanae could fill the role, but by the sounds of what happened during the gap, Sanae was playing the loving yet stern grandmother.

Here's hoping Ushio just has a normal fever. If she doesn't, we're going to be seeing some KEY series style miracles before this is over. They would never let Ushio die.

[David75]

Here's hoping Ushio just has a normal fever. If she doesn't, we're going to be seeing some KEY series style miracles before this is over. They would never let Ushio die.

I was wondering about that, they could really take that path I'm afraid.
I'm still wondering what is their goal in the end, but it could be showing a story where sad things keep hapening and you have to keep on living no matter what.

Well I'll see, for some reason what's having me watching this is the ost in the eps, though really simple, I'm drown to it.

[Marik]

I enjoyed this episode immensely. I hated the Fuuko arc during the first series. but I like her here for some reason. The interaction between her and Tomoya was very funny and entertaining. I couldn't stop laughing.

[MFauli]

You cannot deny, though, that this show would be quite on a whole new level of tragic occurrings, IF Ushio really died. I dont think it&#180;ll be happen, but that would be something that&#180;d be a real surprise, positive or negative, doesnt matter.

Do you think Tomoya would be capable of, maybe literally, surviving another death of his now most loved person? I couldnt see a believable happy end that way.

[Ryllharu]

It's not like KEY hasn't actually killed off characters before at the end of a series or arc (Kanon has one and a half, AIR has more than one) but to kill off a heroine AND her daughter? I don't think they could be that cold, even for the drama it would generate.

[Nadouku]

Do you think Tomoya would be capable of, maybe literally, surviving another death of his now most loved person? I couldnt see a believable happy end that way.

Since losing Nagisa had such a long-lasting effect on Tomoya, losing Ushio would probably mean that he's gonna lose his own life; his will to live on will probably cease and will utterly cause him to commit suicide. Even if his friends come in to aide and comfort him, that's not enough to bring Tomoya out of the darkness he's gone through. An ending like that is way beyond imagination. I hope that doesn't happen and Clannad will stick to some form of happy ending, possibly another life for our theoretical couplings.

[MFauli]

Btw what ill never understand is why the producers of the show cut Sunohara away. I can only imagine how awsome their life could be, if Sunohara lived next door to Tomoya and took the role of "Uncle Sunohara".
They were such great friends, but juts because Sunohara has to work "somewhere", they split like that.
Oh i guess that&#180;s a little pseudo-plothole, like what happened in the latest Naruto-chapter...

[Buffalobiian]

Having Sunohara around would really lighten up all the emotions and tension they've been trying to convey for the past few episodes. Especially the depressing ones. Sunohara's a great character who could make fun in almost any situation - but that's not what we needed. Having a supporting friend nearby would have killed any impact of Tomoya's downfall.
The Funny Uncle Sunohara role has more or less been fulfilled by Akki anyway. I liked it how the sole focus for the past few eps were on Tomoya, Ushio and Nagisa - with some support from Sanae. Quite powerfully, that showed how people move on, whether to a different suburb, a different state of mind, or a better place.

Nagisa's photo made me (slightly) teary every time. They just couldn't have chosen a better picture.


Am I just idly hoping that Kyou and Tomoya were flirting, or were they actually?

I'm not sure if it's flirting, but I saw it as Kyou finally feeling comfortable settling back into her old playful self. Somewhere I'm hoping for a relationship here too, but if that were to happen, I sort of feel bad to Nagisa. <- me and my conservative/backward values...

[Kraco]

Somewhere I'm hoping for a relationship here too, but if that were to happen, I sort of feel bad to Nagisa. <- me and my conservative/backward values...

Nagisa is dead. There's no point feeling sorry for her. She's well past caring. You have some strange traditions and values.

[Buffalobiian]

Nagisa is dead. There's no point feeling sorry for her. She's well past caring. You have some strange traditions and values.

I am a bit strange...many ways :o

[narutosharingan]

There's no way they could kill off Ushio. Tomoya would just go nuts. And that's too cruel, way too cruel. It's very possible she just has a regular flu, but because of Nagisa's history, we can't tell. They did a good job of making that doubt.

Again, I wonder if Tomoya can like Kyou, especially since he still tears up over Nagisa. And BB, I agree that that picture they chose of Nagisa was well done. It's such a happy picture, yet seeing her like that makes me teary as well.

And I love Fuuko. I missed her; that first arc in the first series was one of the best.

[Yukimura]

I'm going to have to disagree about the Fuko arc's bestness. To me it started out cute but ran about two episodes two long without enough actual development per episode. I would have much rather seen those two eps spent on Ryou and/or Kyou development. That said I still think Fuko is a great support character for comedy and I'm liking her reemergence in After since things aren't focused around her letting her support talents shine.

I'm hoping worst case will be Ushio happened to inherit Nagisa's seasonal weakness and Tomoya will have to come to terms with the idea that she will likely die young just like her mother while trying to raise her anyway. If she just drops dead it would be a huge kick in the balls and I would need several buckets to hold all my tears.

[shinta|hikari]

There is a reason (one which I will not elaborate on) for the Ryou/Kyou storyline not to be developed in the series, so I don't really blame the anime much for it (even though I am also a Kyou fan, almost as much as I hate Ryou).

I think Ushio did inherit something like her mother's weakness, but it is something that they will eventually get over and she ends up healthy.

[oyabun]

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[David75]

Did not watch it yet but the smiley probably tells something I thought would happen... gosh, what a show.

[Archangel]

If that smiley means what i think it means... God dammit...

[animus]

Why do they have to subject Tomoya and us to this?

I was crying for like 15 minutes.

[oyabun]

I was getting tired of all the drama. If she really is dead... that is just too much,,

[David75]

In the preview, next ep is named final episode.

So I guess there'll be 2 DVD specials/OAV?

In the end, I hope they won't play us in telling that this was a dream Tomoya had and he now can change his future to prevent hose hardships from happening.

[shinta|hikari]

I think the obvious ending would be something similar to what happened to Nagisa. Ushio revives due to some mysterious power, but this time, the results are more permanent. Then there will be a time skip, a relatively short one, showing Tomoya and Ushio, and hopefully Kyou, living happily together.

[animus]

If she does indeed die (she probably won't), Yuki's gonna need many buckets.

I'm kinda surprised I was the only one who teared up. As I was watching that scene I felt crushed.

[shinta|hikari]

I've been tearing up since Nagisa died. I just didn't think it needed to be said anymore.

[MFauli]

Awsome episode. Though i dont think she&#180;s already gone, they certainly toy around with Tomoya.

But it cant happen.
If Ushio died, there are 2 options: Tomoya locking away himself in a dark room, or running Amok in his city. And neither would be happy endings. (Though, Tomoya starting a massacre would certainly make this show memorable).

[TheBladeChild]

Wow life really likes to kick Tomoya in the teeth.

[Kraco]

Damn, what a show. Tomoya took so heavily Nagisa's death but somehow managed to revive with Ushio's help. Should Ushio die now, there won't be anything left anymore to save him, nor do I think he would even like to be saved, having already a tendency to blame himself for things that clearly aren't anybody's fault. Nearing the end his looks were already eerily reminding of his dad's ghastly looks and how he himself looked after Nagisa's demise. He's certainly going down the same path.

After all we have seen, I'm not unwary enough to make predictions of how this all is going to end. The only thing I dare to expect is a good end, no matter if it's sad or happy. These past eps having been so powerful I doubt they could screw it all up.

[Nadouku]

So emotional... it was already painful for me to watch Ushio barely walk with Tomoya. I would have just carried her despite her pleas to walk on her own... and Tomoya was already looking miserable when he quit his job to stay around Ushio, but now, he's lost everything. Yukimura's gonna need about ten buckets. :(

[fireheart]

weird usually someone would have posted this up already

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