Macross Frontier [Archive]

Ryllharu

Wed, 04-09-2008, 06:28 PM

Time for a bump now that the episode has re-aired (slightly modified).

I checked out the original pre-air episode. Wow, I loved it. The last Macross series I watched was Plus (yes, just like Gundam, I'm not up to date on the staple mecha serials).

Watching Frontier was like putting a shoe back on that you used to wear all the time. Comfortable, familiar, and an excellent fit. I could tell from just one single image.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2639/38226246yc9.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=38226246yc9.jpg)
The hand motion. That single image symbolizes Macross for me. It's the love of flying so much, that you visualize it with a part of your own body. Though it was not the male lead, Alto-hime, he holds that ideal higher than anyone in the series.

The love of flight above all else, and the desire to go further, go higher. Just like Isamu in Macross Plus, the simple joy of it is what will make Alto the "perfect" pilot.

Nor did the creators leave us wanting on any of the other staples I've always associated with Macross. The rival pilot. The innocent female lead/love interest. The glitter and sparkle of technology that actually feels "futuristic." Lanka's frog phone.

Miboshi Academy's appearance at 2:39 in Shinsen's subs. Classic Superdimensional Fortress. The two "horns" are unmistakable.

And of course...the songstress.

But they but a spin on everything, right from the start. Alto-hime. A protagonist in Macross meant to look as feminine as possible? In my Macross? Isamu was a badass, and Hikaru was not feminine either. And our songstress? A complete and total egotistical bitch.

Even Lanka. A debut voice actress (something I always like as long as they are bolstered with strong costars to help them out and bring out the good performances) and a "fresh" feeling to her.

I'm sold. Macross is back.

Darknodin

Sat, 04-12-2008, 01:35 PM

what are the difference between the two ep 1? just edited for regular tv?

Ryllharu

Sat, 04-12-2008, 02:24 PM

They moved some scenes around, swapped out a few. They added in the official OP/ED, though the latter was half-length to include a few extra clips.

Details here:
Differences between normal broadcast and special broadcast months earlier (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/04/03/macross-frontier-01-normal-broadcast-version/)

Less epic flight sequences (but not mixing the combat and concert together), but more of Sheryl being a huge bitch.

Yukimura

Sat, 04-12-2008, 05:12 PM

Not seeing any links....

Macross Frontier - 01 (1280x720 H264) - [Gattai] (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=15622)

Macross Frontier - 01 (mp4) - [Anime-in-Action & Infinite-Zero] (http://a.scarywater.net/aia/%5BAiA%20I-Z%5D%20Macross%20Frontier%2001.mp4.torrent)

Buffalobiian

Sat, 04-12-2008, 07:01 PM

I was waiting for Shinsen's links, but they're slow. I thought they'd be hot on this show.

Yukimura

Sun, 04-13-2008, 01:15 AM

Macross Frontier - 02 (1280x720) - [Gattai] (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=15810)

@Buffalobian: lol

animus

Sun, 04-13-2008, 11:22 AM

The OP's swirly vortex thingy right at the beginning looked very much like the one used in Geass. Will give opinions when finished watching.

Edit: Rather good episode, everyone seems to want Alto bad.

Ryllharu

Sun, 04-13-2008, 12:10 PM

I'm not so sure about whatever reason Sheryl wants him. I guess he saved her during the concert in the newer version, but that doesn't really compare to all the things he (heh, I wrote "she" first) did for Ranka/Lanca.

In addition to the awesome flying and combat in the beginning, we got a good amount of background on the main characters this time:

Alto is actually descended from a line of Kabuki actors, received training for years, and is probably the geisha in the OP. I had thought that was Sheryl in heavy makeup until they revealed that. That explains his feminine appearance very well.

Lanca is a 1/4 Zentradi. Perhaps that explains why her hair gets a little floaty sometimes and she can even control it a bit?

The real mystery is why the aliens are after her. Particularly when she sings, they wake up, or start hunting her down and chase after her. I'm not entirely sure whether they are after both Lanca and Sheryl, since the parts at the end had them together. For now, I'm leaning towards them only going after Lanca, and not Sheryl. Maybe that could be a hit to Sheryl's ego?

depthcharge

Sun, 04-13-2008, 06:17 PM

Alto is my favourite hime now! Eventhough I am not familiar with the Macross series. I go wiki up what Zentradi means.

I think this show can actually be something interesting for the next couple of months. How many episodes anyway?

KrayZ33

Mon, 04-14-2008, 08:32 AM

will macross frontier air weekly now?

this is a great series, macross zero or yukikaze is a joke compared to that.

NeoBear

Mon, 04-14-2008, 04:48 PM

i like how when they wear riding in the car they played that song from Macross 7

"Lets go! something something blah blah i dont know the words!!! "

lol =)

Buffalobiian

Thu, 04-17-2008, 08:08 AM

Ep 01 -Shinsen- (http://bt.shinsen-subs.org/%5BShinsen-Subs%5D_Macross_Frontier_-_01b_%5B4D5EC315%5D.avi.torrent)

I was wondering why those HD releases looked subpar. I thought it was dodgy encoding since it's the first time I've heard of Gattai, but it's because macross doesn't air in true HD.

depthcharge

Sat, 04-19-2008, 08:58 AM

ep 3 raw is out. I guess everyone who watches probably already knows. But damn, there is some fan service in this ep.

animus

Sat, 04-19-2008, 09:31 AM

You can't say anything about the episode if a raw is released, until there's a sub released. You didn't really reveal anything, but keep it in mind for the future.

Munsu

Sat, 04-19-2008, 02:07 PM

Well, here's a tripple joint, or might even be a quadruple joint if you consider Menclave two groups... AonE-Gekkostate-Menclave releasing episode 1:
http://bt.mymenclave.com/torrents/%5BAonE-Gekkostate-Menclave%5D_Macross_F_-_01_%5B1280x720_H.264_AAC%5D_%5B1057D3D8%5D.mkv.to rrent

I want to start this series, it really does looks awesome... but I want to finish watching Zero first, which I never did. I also want to watch all the original series that I have burned somewhere before I get to this... so hopefully in a couple of months I will get on this.

NeoBear

Sat, 04-19-2008, 04:15 PM

Munsu

Sat, 04-19-2008, 04:47 PM

Zero relly has nothing to do with the timeline from what i can tell. hell there was not even a Macross however it was still great, except for the stupid oh look at me ending

i tried to go back and watch some of Macross 7 and all i could find was something called Macross 7 Dynamite ..... you do not want to watch that trust me
Zero I don't want to watch because of chronogical purposes... I just want to finish it because I had already started it.

Let me throw in all the series that are available for download, and the general order I came up with (chronogical order):

Macross Zero [5 Episodes] (http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/9717551/macross+zero?tab=summary)
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross [36 Episodes] (http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/24114800/?tab=summary)
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? [Movie] (http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/31274200/?tab=summary)
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross: Flashback 2012 [OVA Music Video] (http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/17911435/macross+flashback?tab=summary)
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: Lovers Again [6 Episodes] (http://www.boxtorrents.com/details.php?id=126975/Macross_II:_Lovers_Again_(dual_audio))
Macross Plus [4 Episodes] (http://kaa.animeconnection.net/torrentpage/torrents/[KAA]_Macross_Plus_01-04.DVD(Complete).torrent)
Macross 7 [49 Episodes] (http://a.scarywater.net/ca/Macross%207%20Complete%20%20Movie%20%20Dynamite%20 7%20%20Encore%20%20Specials%20-%20Central%20Anime.torrent)
Macross 7 Encore [2 Episodes + Special] (http://a.scarywater.net/ca/Macross%207%20Complete%20%20Movie%20%20Dynamite%20 7%20%20Encore%20%20Specials%20-%20Central%20Anime.torrent)
Macross 7: The Galaxy is Calling Me [Movie] (http://a.scarywater.net/ca/Macross%207%20Complete%20%20Movie%20%20Dynamite%20 7%20%20Encore%20%20Specials%20-%20Central%20Anime.torrent)
Macross 7 Trash [8 Volume Manga] (http://www.mangatraders.com/manga/series/303)
Macross 7 Dynamite 7 [4 Episodes] (http://a.scarywater.net/ca/Macross%207%20Complete%20%20Movie%20%20Dynamite%20 7%20%20Encore%20%20Specials%20-%20Central%20Anime.torrent)

http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/continuity.shtml For Detailed Information on Macross Continuity

Just the same, there's this huge ass torrent with a ton of shit of Macross (most if not all the above series are included):
http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/25714064/?tab=summary

KrayZ33

Sat, 04-19-2008, 05:11 PM

Hmm, which one of those is actually worth watchin? (good animation)

Zero was very good, but i watched something like "macross plus" and that was just bullshit...
It felt like i was watching Saber Riders or something like that.

Ryllharu

Sat, 04-19-2008, 05:24 PM

Stop being such an animation whore. Those newest to anime, or the youngest, are really spoiled about that these days. You're missing out on so many great titles just because of how it looks.

Superdimensional is early 80s, so you have to give it some leeway there.

Just avoid Macross 7. Just...don't

Plus has really good 90s animation, think Bebop or the Evangelion movies. Plus is also one of the few that I felt really caught the feeling of Macross. It's test pilots. The most badass pilots there are. Versus a rogue AI. I fail to see how that could possibly remind you of Saber Riders (which I had to look up) in any way.

Zero looks really nice, but I didn't find all that much substance to them. Didn't have the Macross "feel" to them.

KrayZ33

Sat, 04-19-2008, 05:49 PM

The animation style (of the anime i was talking about) reminded me of saber-rider thats all.. and in my opinion there is nothing wrong with being an "animation whore". There has to be a minimum of realism in animes... i hate bad looking characters, because it just destroys everything. If the animation is bad but the story good, then i'd prefer a book about that anime.
Btw, there is a reason why computer games have better graphics than they did 10 years ago. The same goes for animes, the very old stuff is only good if you want to feel nostalgic (for example Saber Rider, Mask, or He-man...yes i watched all of these and they were great back then, especially mask...but today it seems weird and comical)

But I'm not sure anymore if it really was Macross Plus i disliked so much. (just watched a video on youtube and the animation style isn't bad at all)
There is a Macross with a scene of a test pilot, sitting "buddha style" in a plane (obviously meditating) and flying it through a test course. He avoided like 20000 lasers during that testflight... and that is just ridiculous .. really if I want to see something like that, i start rewatching DBZ or something similiar to that, I always thought Macross is something for "older" people. (I know that I'm talking about macross here, in which every pilote avoids getting hit by like 300 rockets at once, but there is a limit for that too... it was like in Yukikaze or the movie Independence Day where all the planes [about 100-200 planes] shot all their missles at one target, but unlike in Yukikaze or Independence Day they didn't even hit the target)

Well after watching that scene, i instantly deleted the whole package, thats why i can't remember exactly which Macross it was.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 04-19-2008, 05:54 PM

AonE & Co's release is 340MB? I thought this show didn't air in true HD? Am I mistaken there?

Munsu

Sat, 04-19-2008, 06:08 PM

I may be making shit up, but I think that rectangle that comes up in the very begining of the episode usually is found on HD channels.

animus

Sat, 04-19-2008, 06:12 PM

Episode 3 - AiA I-Z (http://a.scarywater.net/aia/%5BAiA%20I-Z%5D%20Macross%20Frontier%2003.mp4.torrent)

Dunno if they're any good, considering I-Z did Dragonaut and I dropped that series after episode 2 and I have no idea who AiA is.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 04-19-2008, 06:17 PM

I may be making shit up, but I think that rectangle that comes up in the very begining of the episode usually is found on HD channels.Hmm. I'll have a look at that later. Paraphrasing from Shinsen, they reckon Macross F doesn't have a true HD source, and that all the HD raws are station upscales. I"m guessing station upscales are the same quality as home upscales.

(side note on upscales, if you play SD anime on a HD tv from your computer full screen, is the resultant image upscaled when you use full screen?

Ryllharu

Sat, 04-19-2008, 08:23 PM

The joint AiA I-Z not translating the songs is really unacceptable. This is Macross. The songs are as important as the rest of the dialogue, if not more so. They put a lot of meaning into each of the songs. Not knowing what they are saying takes a lot out of the series.

I would really like Alto to punch Mikael right in the face and then beat the shit out of him. He ends up coming off as such a douchebag. While it is true that he's better pilot than Alto, I just get this feeling like he is only doing it for the glory, not for anything like protecting people or the joy of flying. Maybe that last part isn't true, but he just comes off that way.

They really went overboard making Ranka cute. Not beng able to let go of Alto's shirt, and some of the other things later on the hill. It's way too hard not to like her.

The same goes for Sheryl. She comes off really self absorbed and a huge bitch, but she's nice in her own way, and the stubborn way she tried to leave the shelter, live or die, showed that she's not too far off from Alto. She has her own dreams, shallow as they may or may not be, but she persues them just as fervently. She also keeps making excuses to herself to keep visiting Alto. I wonder if there's more to than that.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 04-19-2008, 08:31 PM

I'll wait for a better sub. Gattai seemed pretty good, but now with releases everywhere, I don't really know which to pick. Probably Gattai still, since they're pretty fast and not obviously bad. I'll check out AonE too later.

I may be making shit up, but I think that rectangle that comes up in the very begining of the episode usually is found on HD channels.

From what I gather, the kanji there reads "subtitles". Whether that has to do with HD channels or not I don't have a clue.

Yukimura

Sat, 04-19-2008, 10:16 PM

Finally got around to watching the first two eps. I felt like my eyes were going to orgasm from the animation and visual details. So many little things that didn't have to be animated were added and gave it a nice realistic feeling.

The story doesn't seem particularly special, but I really don't care since its following a pattern I tend to like. The Mecha looked great, the enemies were interesting, and the definite lack of a one shot, one kill dynamic really made the battles more enjoyable. I don't know how they can put so much effort into the details of the show but I hope they maintain it as long as is physically possible.

NeoBear

Sun, 04-20-2008, 12:52 AM

@ KrayZ33

if you honestly thought Macross Plus was bullshit man you need to drop macross and never look back im sure some would argue that was one of the greatest oavs of all time honestly =/

but after watching episode 3 of frontier i am getting a little worried i mean we all know that music and singing are a big part of macross but god some times its just so akward and out of place.

why does there always have to be some random female who will just burst into song out of the blue in macross ugh. however i think this is so much better then anything done in macross 7 hope i don't have to eat to many more Celine Dion moments

Ryllharu

Sun, 04-20-2008, 05:32 AM

I'd probably be happy to discuss all the virtues of Plus, it certainly is one of my favorite OVAs, but this isn't really the best place.

So far, I've thought all the songs were very well placed. The importance of songs in Macross obviously stems from Minmay being such a huge part of the war in the first series, generally putting an enormous hit on the Zentradi's will to fight, and allowing for the peace that gives us the half-breeds like Mikael (guess at this point), and Ranka. One pop idol crushed the morale of an entire species. Or in Plus, the song that Myung sang (also the ED theme) described her childhood relationship with Isamu. That his desire to fly was so strong, he left her alone.

Anyway, outside of the pop performances, Ranka's little songs fit really well where they are. Not to mention they are sung a capella, which I really prefer in these settings. The first one in the second episode that Sheryl took over was really moving if you watch the lyrics, especially as the planes shoot off into space in the background. That song could be applied to someone leaving for war, and goes on to describe the worry and feelings of the person left behind.

Now, I have no idea what Ranka's episode 3 song was about because I-Z doesn't translate them, but from her talk about it at the end, I imagine it is a little less fitting because it is a song she remembers from her parents. But the way she was singing it also fit. Ranka just learned her "brother" had been lying to her, and that he had been going into combat, leaving her alone after he promised she wouldn't lose anyone close to her again. Something like that would ruin Ranka's day pretty badly, and that's an understatement. So Ranka went to her special place to think. Someone like Ranka who is really into music, Sheryl's or otherwise, might only be able to fully calm herself by singing a little. Especially a song familiar to her and the only thing she remembers of her parents.

animus

Sun, 04-20-2008, 08:43 AM

Episode 3 - Gattai (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=16498)

The Gattai version for those who wanted it, maybe they'll have translated the songs.

Ryllharu

Sun, 04-20-2008, 08:56 AM

Sadly, I checked already. They did not either.

EDIT: Which is fine, because I thought their translation of Sheryl's concert was lacking. Shinsen fixed their translation up with their version of the broadcasted version, and it certainly sounds the most accurate with all the amount of English in the song.

Looks like Shinsen or AonE are the only real options.

Buffalobiian

Sun, 04-20-2008, 09:10 AM

In that case, I dearly hope AonE catches up. Macross with proper subs would be a killer. If not, I guess Shinsen will suffice too.....but HD mecha.....

Everon

Sun, 04-20-2008, 01:06 PM

I've been watching the [AiA IZ] subs. I didn't notice any major errors, just a few awkward phrases in episode 3.

http://a.scarywater.net/aia/
_________

Am I crazy, or does the protagonist sound and look a lot like the character for D.grayman? (Blanking on name, he uses that sword)

Yukimura

Sun, 04-20-2008, 04:00 PM

Yes, Alto is a lot like Kanda for D.Gray-Man

Anyway, AIA IZ's version just doesn't cut it for me visually. With all the beautiful eye candy in this series I at least want 1280x720 and so I go with Gattai. The songs are a big loss, but AonE et al will putter along at their normal pace and I can grab them for archival.

Alto is coming off as the typical upstart angsty teen so I can't really bring myself to care about him, however I love Sheryl and Ranka is starting to grow on me. The battles are still great but hoepfully we'll be getting more backstory on who's being fought and why soon.

Everon

Mon, 04-21-2008, 11:03 AM

^^ I have trouble viewing a lot of 1280x720 videos. I guess my computer is getting old :|

Chiodos

Mon, 04-21-2008, 01:25 PM

Planet Smasher

Mon, 04-21-2008, 09:11 PM

So, they're gonna be "singing" in Macross F too? I hated the music in the original series. It really killed it for me. I couldn't bring myself to finish watching them. If they're gonna be singing the same crappy songs over and over and over..... again, there's no way I'll be able to stomach this new addition to the series either.....

Buffalobiian

Tue, 04-22-2008, 03:36 AM

I rather like singing. It's good to calm down and balance the story after all the mecha action. I like how they'll do a parallel telling of the story from Ranka and Alto's sides. It really does give it an all round feel, and explores the universe from different perspectives other than just soldiers. I haven't seen any other Macross series. From what I gather, they all feature Divas?

Ryllharu

Tue, 04-22-2008, 04:01 AM

In one manner or another.

- Macross Zero has a singer on the island who does rather special things.
- Superdimensional has a girl, Minmay, who becomes a super pop idol (and her seiyuu who debuted in the series became one in real life because of it).
- Plus has a local starlet who left for the galaxy and is now the manager of an AI pop idol.
- Macross 7 has a rock band...or something, it's just strange.
- And now Frontier has essentially two Minmays, probably as an homage to the original series. One is already a huge star, and the other is a talented girl who just might win a local idol competition.

MFauli

Tue, 04-22-2008, 12:07 PM

Watched the 3 episodes and just wanted to say that i really like it so far.
How many episodes is this series going to feature?

Anyway, i really hated how Alto´s friends kept their membershit in that elite group a secret from him. hope hell get his revenge on that.

Chiodos

Tue, 04-22-2008, 01:27 PM

It is shit but in reality it was for the best. Even it it were your closest ones you shouldn't talk top secrets that could, in a complicated way, make a leak. And that's obvously bad for military businees.
What I am do waiting for is Alto's first "OH MI GOSH? DID I JUST KILL SOMEBODY?"-thingy. I hope this serie do avoid that point....

MFauli

Tue, 04-22-2008, 04:07 PM

What I am do waiting for is Alto's first "OH MI GOSH? DID I JUST KILL SOMEBODY?"-thingy. I hope this serie do avoid that point....

I wouldnt have a problem with that if it was like "OH MY GOSH, DID I JUST KILL MIHAERU AND SHERYL?"

:)

KrayZ33

Tue, 04-22-2008, 05:09 PM

Sheryl is hawt, don't say that!

Buffalobiian

Wed, 04-23-2008, 03:48 AM

I wasn't expecting it to come out this quick, but here it is:

[Nipponsei] Macross Frontier OP Single - Triangular [Sakamoto Maaya].zip (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20Macross%20Frontier%20OP%20Single %20-%20Triangular%20%5BSakamoto%20Maaya%5D.zip.torrent )

NeoBear

Wed, 04-23-2008, 05:20 AM

ohhh nice now if i can only get the one they play during Sheryl's first concert

Chiodos

Wed, 04-23-2008, 12:57 PM

Just a simple question. When does the weekly episode of Macross Frontier come out?

Animeniax

Wed, 04-23-2008, 01:41 PM

Quit asking dumb questions that can be answered with a quick trip to ANN.

Anyone seen Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles? Does it stray very far from what's happening in the Macross series?

edit: Just watched it, has nothing to do with anything beyond expanding on the end of the Invid series and what possibly happens next. See that, Chodie? I took care of it myself, instead of relying on others, ya lazy sack.

KrayZ33

Wed, 04-23-2008, 02:57 PM

uhm i have not watched all the macross series (is there a story anyways? for me Macross looks so random), but Robotech is based on it, so it shouldn't stray far away. Its another story but its pretty much like Macross Frontier in my opinion

It reminded me of the game Freespace. (at least the fighting scenes :) )

Buffalobiian

Wed, 04-23-2008, 05:50 PM

Just a simple question. When does the weekly episode of Macross Frontier come out?

Quit asking dumb questions that can be answered with a quick trip to ANN.

Anyone seen Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles? Does it stray very far from what's happening in the Macross series?

edit: Just watched it, has nothing to do with anything beyond expanding on the end of the Invid series and what possibly happens next. See that, Chodie? I took care of it myself, instead of relying on others, ya lazy sack.

Funnily enough, ANN doesn't have that info. Neither does AniDB and whole bunch of other sites. I think it'll be 26 plus, judging from the length of previous series.(Macross 7 was 49 while Macross was 36)

Ryllharu

Wed, 04-23-2008, 06:18 PM

http://www.mahou.org/Showtime/

This site does. Nor is it very hard to find. And I personally have listed it many times in this forum.

EDIT: As for the subs, that depends entirely on the group doing it, and as always, their personal lives will supersede the subbing process.

I know we haven't been given too much to talk about, but staying more on topic might be nice.

For example:
What was with the guy sexing up the female military officer that Sheryl knows? He seems to be her superior, but her father it seems is also very prominent. Did I miss something, or do we know who that is and why might this be important to our overall storyline?

Buffalobiian

Wed, 04-23-2008, 07:41 PM

I really don't have an idea why that was in there, and in that much detail. At first I thought it was just to fit in some fanservice while they were at it. We'll be seeing some more of the female officer, since she's part of the official military. I foresee them having clashes with the SMS.

I'm rather interested in how Alto's skills compare with those of the SMS, especially his peers who've been keeping their membership secret. It's been established that Alto's keenness and joy for flying surpasses theirs. He'll definitely be behind in weapon training. so the one thing that'll set him apart will have to be his piloting skills.

@Ryll: I checked that website before, and it's not their neither.

Ryllharu

Thu, 04-24-2008, 03:42 AM

@Ryll: I checked that website before, and it's not their neither.
You've got to be kidding me. I assume what "isn't there" is the total number of episodes. Chiodos didn't ask for that.
Just a simple question. When does the weekly episode of Macross Frontier come out?
Also known as "when does it air," since it would be impossible to know when whatever group releases because there are too many variables and I would not expect them to prioritize subbing over a variety of other things they may encounter in life. The answer to that question is "when it's done."

However, the airtime is right on Mahou's site. You've got to be blind not to see it.

Station: MBS
Time: Friday 1:25AM

So expect speedsubs on the weekends, and better versions later in the week, or weeks later in Shinsen's case.

Buffalobiian

Thu, 04-24-2008, 04:38 AM

Urgh. Mistook what Chiodos was asking for. I seem to be doing that a lot of late. Sorry about that Ryll.

Chiodos

Thu, 04-24-2008, 02:19 PM

Well, everyone loves to mistake everything I do becuse I'm having a hard time writing in a sense.

@Ryll:
Thanks.
About the blindness, well, sometimes you don't really see when it's infront of your nose. I guess I'm the most maturity in that ^^!

Buffalobiian

Fri, 04-25-2008, 09:53 AM

Episode 2 brought to you by AonE, Menclave and Gekkostate.

Macross Frontier 02 (http://bt.mymenclave.com/torrents/%5BAonE-Gekkostate-Menclave%5D_Macross_F_-_02_%5B1280x720_H.264_AAC%5D_%5BBD0BEDA3%5D.mkv.to rrent)

Yukimura

Sat, 04-26-2008, 01:06 PM

Macross Frontier - 02v2 (1280x720 H.264) - [AonE-Gekkostate-Menclave] (http://bt.mymenclave.com/torrents/%5BAonE-Gekkostate-Menclave%5D_Macross_F_-_02v2_%5B1280x720_H.264_AAC%5D_%5B556DEC40%5D.mkv. torrent)

350MB v2's make me :(

MFauli

Sat, 04-26-2008, 03:47 PM

dont post in this thread until ep 4 is subbed, dammit :P

edit:

speak of the devil, here it is

http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=17061

1^^

Edit:

Watched the episode, great.
a bit weird handled how Ranka looked totally down when Alto wasnt sitting in the audience and then still had no problems with her singing, but oh well.

the action scenes are just beyond awsome, the best ive ever seen in my anime-life ;)

Darknodin

Sat, 04-26-2008, 08:20 PM

I don't like the animation in the show... I wish they'd do it like Naruto's fillers. those were awesome!

Zentradis are cool though (its my first macross show, so i didn't know what they were)

depthcharge

Sat, 04-26-2008, 09:21 PM

Can I ask if anyone knows how to make the subtitle file with tc or sc .ass to display in vlc player. I tried to use the fonts available by default as well as the included fonts. Does not seem to work.

The file that I was trying out is the below. I start to watch abit of it. I can see why some cringe at the thought of all the singing and love solving world problems. (I can only say that "yeah its a dream."

[POPGO][FREEWIND][Macross_Do_you_remember_love_HD_REMASTER][DVDRIP][H.264_AC3]

Buffalobiian

Sat, 04-26-2008, 10:06 PM

NeoBear

Sat, 04-26-2008, 11:11 PM

no that disorder is not normal and i dont beleave you have to be mixed to be able to macro either.i have never seen a Zentran macro and it make them go (loli mode) but im also wondering are only Zentradi able to go macro and whatnot? i cant remember if humans can do it.

also man the combat in this episode was awsome im sorry but watching valks flying around and transforming mid fight is why i love macross =)

Wren

Sat, 04-26-2008, 11:49 PM

in reference to whether humans can go macro or not, in the DYRL movie Max was made to be big so he could fight along side milia in the quadrono power suit. but who knows, could just be because its a movie.

Ryllharu

Sun, 04-27-2008, 06:13 AM

Looks like Gattai heard our complaint and translated the song. I see where the other fellas were coming from now, the moment would have just been random singing accompanying the fight. I liked the action too, and the light off the helmet when the plane reached the launch pad was just nostalgic. That lieutenant with the genetic disorder is mixed (with Zentradi) blood, right? Do all mixed have such a disorder? If that was the case, then Ranka may not be as young as we think she is, making a love triangle more believable.
As for the song, as the episode itself said, it was a cover of one of Minmay's songs from the 80s series. They timed it, and I'm very glad it was in there, I'm just still not so sure they translated it.

Klan Klan (or Kuran Kuran, however you want to say it) is a full blood Zentradi. I believe that Zentradi are naturally giants. I don't think anyone but full bloods can even switch between. I've never seen any of the half-breeds do it. Though the full bloods certainly shrink down in order to breed with humans. Her genetic defect just makes her a loli when she's supposed to appear as a human sized version of her jumbo-boobied self.

Ranka is really 16. Alto isn't far from that either, after all he's still in high school. Ranka's age is definitely 16 because it is again a reference to Minmay, who was also that age during most of the original series. Maybe Sheryl is a bit of a cradle-robber though.

Darknodin

Sun, 04-27-2008, 06:23 AM

Alto is 17... it was said in that episode

KrayZ33

Sun, 04-27-2008, 06:43 PM

Wowowow... really thats all I can say to this, I m new to the macross series (all i watched before was macross zero and a bit macross plus) but this is awesome

even the "miss macross contest" was cool!

does anyone care to explain what those "elves" are about? Why was Klan "Klein" (lol) so big and why so a few seconds later small?
And what kind of mechas are they using? Its not a fighting-plane is it? it looked like a robot from ghost in the shell for me.

btw that beverage vending machine was cute "*beep* :) *beep* :) *beep* do you want something to drink? *beep* :) *beep* :) *beep*?" - "no go away *hush hush" - " *beep* :( *beep* :( *beep* :("

depthcharge

Sun, 04-27-2008, 07:42 PM

wow the varja kept coming one at a time. They will get wiped out soon. Even the Princess can take them down with some 700 year old gun pod?

Ryllharu

Sun, 04-27-2008, 09:02 PM

does anyone care to explain what those "elves" are about? Why was Klan "Klein" (lol) so big and why so a few seconds later small?
And what kind of mechas are they using? Its not a fighting-plane is it? it looked like a robot from ghost in the shell for me.
They explain it partially in the intro sequence before the OP. The events were all chronicled in the original Macross series. The "elves" are the Zentradi, the race of giants that humanity was nearly wiped out by when they attacked Earth. They were created by and enslaved to another race to act as warriors and not allowed culture of any kind. Humanity developed the first variable fighters to combat them and their weapons suits (now seen here as the mechs, before they were more like giant, armored spacesuits). They eventually heard songs from the original Miss Macross, Minmay. I don't know all the details because I haven't seen most of the original, but sooner or later the Zentradi rebelled and joined the humans against their masters.

Humans and Zentradi can interbreed because they are "genetically equivalent." Thus half-breeds like Mikael and quarters like Ranka. Zentradi are originally giants (as far as I know) and they can be micronized, where they change into more human-sized bodies, but maintaining their proportions. This is also how they interbreed with humans.

That's why it's funny that Klan Klein (Kuran Kuran, whatever) turns into a loli from a genetic abnormality. Her proportions don't stay right and she turns into a kid.

That should cover all the questions, either directly addressed or buried in one of those paragraphs.

NeoBear

Sun, 04-27-2008, 11:42 PM

I rember when i was like in 1st grade i would wake up at 5am to watch the original Macross for its time it was so advanced. the Macross time line and or series over the years have been hit and miss i personly enjoyed the Original Macross, Macross plus, Macross Zero, and if they can keep up the pacing and production values the Current Macross Frontier.

also as a side note if you are someone who can deal with animation from the 80s/90s i very much recomend the Original series the story has aged well and i think it allows for a much better understanding of some of the referances in Frontier. had you seen the Original series you would not have batted an eye when KK poped out of her suit nore would you have been surprised to see her microed a few moments later. although i was a little baffled to see her in loli macro mode....and perhaps a little disturbed...but only a little =O

Buffalobiian

Mon, 04-28-2008, 01:12 AM

They explain it partially in the intro sequence before the OP. The events were all chronicled in the original Macross series. The "elves" are the Zentradi, the race of giants that humanity was nearly wiped out by when they attacked Earth. They were created by and enslaved to another race to act as warriors and not allowed culture of any kind. Humanity developed the first variable fighters to combat them and their weapons suits (now seen here as the mechs, before they were more like giant, armored spacesuits). They eventually heard songs from the original Miss Macross, Minmay. I don't know all the details because I haven't seen most of the original, but sooner or later the Zentradi rebelled and joined the humans against their masters.

Humans and Zentradi can interbreed because they are "genetically equivalent." Thus half-breeds like Mikael and quarters like Ranka. Zentradi are originally giants (as far as I know) and they can be micronized, where they change into more human-sized bodies, but maintaining their proportions. This is also how they interbreed with humans.

That's why it's funny that Klan Klein (Kuran Kuran, whatever) turns into a loli from a genetic abnormality. Her proportions don't stay right and she turns into a kid.

That should cover all the questions, either directly addressed or buried in one of those paragraphs.

I'd imagine that big ugly guy is one from the master race? I couldn't imagine Ranka's grandparents looking like that...

KrayZ33

Mon, 04-28-2008, 11:07 AM

Btw is Kyun's nick name (from Melachony of Haruhi) actually "Woosh" ?

Chiodos

Mon, 04-28-2008, 01:57 PM

Btw is Kyun's nick name (from Melachony of Haruhi) actually "Woosh" ?

Totally off topic:

No. Kyon was the nickname and in the anime they never told his real name. Although they, if I do remember correctly, did mention it in the novell.

But maybe I didn't get the question right so...

depthcharge

Fri, 05-02-2008, 09:20 AM

I am up to eps 21 of SDF Macross. While it has some quite familiar scenes, of the Zentradi ships blowing up. I kind of remembered watching something similar before. While I felt in the past that it seemed like crap, the SDF macross seems pretty good. Even with the less then impressive graphic. However, I think I seen the Robotech "dubbed" series which is crappy? anyone can confirm that?

Cant wait for more eps to finish downloading and for this weeks eps.

Ryllharu

Fri, 05-02-2008, 03:38 PM

I ordered most of the dvds for SDF Macross, but I don't know when those will come. I can't wait to catch up on Macross as a whole, I only saw parts of SDF long ago.

Anyway...yes, if you thought it sucked hard, it was probably Robotech. Robotech was the edited to hell, redubbed, mixed around, mish-mash of three totally unrelated anime series. While elements of Macross (first part of Robotech) and Southern Cross (second part) do seem to cross over well enough, the beginning of Southern Cross was completely bastardized to make the compilation work. Macross recieved probably the heaviest editing, largely due to plot and the occasionally graphic/mature nature of relationships between Macross characters, like we've seen so far in Frontier. "Butchered" is almost always used to describe it.

The third part doesn't even remotely make sense. Macross = variable fighters or at the very least, fighter planes. The plot of Southern Cross has a couple of elements that make sense, and the mechs vaguely resemble the Zentradi suits. The third part of Robotech has a mech that looks more like a Code Geass Knightmare.

So I can't confirm it, but if you thought it sucked, it was almost certainly one of the Robotech versions.

NeoBear

Fri, 05-02-2008, 07:30 PM

the thing to understand if you talking Robotech is like Ryllharu said there wear three series as far as i could tell.

Robotech = Macross
Robotech II = Souther cross
Robotech III = hell if i know?

i rember there wear three series i watched as a kid Macross was fine and all im sure it was edited but all in all for its time it was pretty advanced stuff for kids to be watching at 6am in the morning.

Southern cross as i rember delt with Max's daughter who as it turns out was not relly his daughter but was made to be his daughter for continuity here in america? also in this one there were no valks or if there are they were mostly replaced buy these transforming hover tank things that nobody cared about.

And the third series i remember almost nothing of as the Valks were almost all but absent. and i seem to remember this being the one with the transforming motorcycles and the singer chick that was really a guy or some shit .... it sucked

in any case if it was not Robotech/Macross that you watched but one of the other two i can understand why you would think it sucked.

depthcharge

Fri, 05-02-2008, 09:56 PM

good thing. I downloaded another series, that hunted for "whales" wow that was crap. I had only one eps completed and deleted the thing. This SDF macross on the other is worth it to buy. I would just hope that if they reproduce it in HD I would buy the collector edition in a second. Makes it so much more that the MF is really good in the eye candy.

Ryllharu

Fri, 05-02-2008, 10:24 PM

There's really no point in releasing SDF in HD. It aired in 1983. We're lucky to be getting remastered versions on dvd. Upscaled is really the best you can hope for, which is exactly what Frontier's "HD" really is.

(Also the reason Shinsen does not release Frontier in anything other than standard def)

depthcharge

Sat, 05-03-2008, 09:19 AM

I am satisfied with Frontiers SD release. I find it well done, details in the scenes, and the valk looks damn real. I can feel the candy in my mouth.

Anyhow, thanks for the recommendation to watch the original MF.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 05-03-2008, 09:33 PM

Macross F ED is out.

[Nipponsei] Macross Frontier ED Single - Diamond Crevasse [Sheryl Nome starring May'n].zip (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20Macross%20Frontier%20ED%20Single %20-%20Diamond%20Crevasse%20%5BSheryl%20Nome%20starrin g%20May'n%5D.zip.torrent)

Yukimura

Sat, 05-03-2008, 10:24 PM

I could care less about the ED itself but the single also includes Iteza Gogo Kyuuji Don't be late AKA the song from Sheryl's consert!

Ryllharu

Sat, 05-03-2008, 10:30 PM

I'd still be more interested in all the a capella versions of the songs that Ranka has been singing. Or at the least acoustic versions, I really preferred Ranka's version of the ED clip that was towards the end of eps 2. Sheryl's songs are nice and very pop-ish, but Ranka's feel more moving and have a clearer sound.

It's like comparing Sharon Apple's songs to Myung's song in Macross Plus.

shinta|hikari

Sat, 05-03-2008, 11:12 PM

I don't think the Ranka songs need to be a capella or even acoustic. As long as it doesn't go too noisy (the instruments) it should be fine.

animus

Sun, 05-04-2008, 01:13 AM

Episode 5 - Gattai (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=17887)

For those of you who can't wait for the triple-joint of doom.

Ryllharu

Sun, 05-04-2008, 06:28 AM

Heh, we got to see the completely opposite side of Sheryl. The genuine and cute side rather than her stuck up, angry, and forceful side. We've seen the wiser side once or twice, usually her giving Ranka advice.

But the cute side of Sheryl makes it really hard not to like her just as much as Ranka. I didn't even think that some of the other Macross class colony ships would be older and nowhere near as sophisticated as the Frontier. The ships have to take decades to build now that I think about it, and they'd be in service as long as they had to. To think that Sheryl comes from one of the more decrepit and utilitarian ones.

But like she said, that's part of her appeal. All natural (and how nice it is, cleavage shot as she hides Alto's talisman).

I particularly liked her in awe of the Zentradi farmers and the hippo-cows.

But the side of Sheryl that was most impressive was her genuine side. She's completely driven to sing, as much as Isamu from Plus was to fly, and Alto here. Overcome with the urge so completely that she rips down the nearest object and begins writing lyrics all over it.

Perhaps that same drive she has is quickly making her fall in love with Alto. Sheryl seemed to be less about teasing him as the episode went on, shifting into genuine affection.

Though with Galaxy being attacked, perhaps this won't be the last we see of Sheryl. She'll probably get stuck on Frontier (which I'm sure she'll be fine with).

But again...why are the Vajra attracted to Ranka? She sings, they wake up and attack. Sheryl has no affect on them, so it can't be a reference to their Vajra's controllers attempting to kill all singers due to the Minmay Factor*. I'm not seeing the connection, unless it has something to do with her lineage.

[*Minmay Factor: In SDF, broadcasts of Minmay's songs are what eventually turned the Zentradi's into allies. They had no concept of "culture" before.]

Darknodin

Sun, 05-04-2008, 08:02 AM

week after week, episodes meet my expectations. characters are likeable and believable. and really, its the first time i actually look forward to a character singing! I'm enjoying this show tremendously.

So the Vajra are being controlled, and Galaxy will probably be destroyed. can't wait for next week.

MFauli

Sun, 05-04-2008, 01:01 PM

Ryllharu, its a bit embarrassing to read your posting, when you make it feel as if youre talking about real persons :P

Anyway, nice episode, but i wonder when the real story starts. It feels to be still in setting up-mode.

Oh, and i hate HD-videos. My notebook is just not powerful enough to run them perfectly smoothly :-/

NeoCybercoin

Sun, 05-04-2008, 01:08 PM

Well Ranka is a quarter Zerk. So I think her songs also represent or feelings/emotions or just general drive to do something. Could explain why that Vajra is activated again when she sang.

And lots of droolings over Sheryll's cleavage shot. =3

Ryllharu

Sun, 05-04-2008, 01:15 PM

Ryllharu, its a bit embarrassing to read your posting, when you make it feel as if youre talking about real persons
A testament to the writing of Macross. Much better than the cardboard cutout characters of many of the Gundams.

Macross has always been less about the models and toys and far more about the characters, their interactions and relationships, and their personalities. Sure, the VF's are where all the action is, but action is never the central focus of Macross, just the icing on the cake.

Gundam = sell models
Macross = sell soundtracks, create real life idols out of voice actresses and sell concert tickets

Sure, it might be a bit embarrassing in the end, but Macross has always been a character driven series.

depthcharge

Sun, 05-04-2008, 08:34 PM

Did anyone notice the Zentradi, pond with the hippo, looked like a moo moo milk cow?

In additional, they have a mall for Zentradi?? If anything, I like to see more of Klan Klan. She is big.

If Ranka is quarter Zentradi, is she also quarter human, quarter Varja and a quarter of some other alien life form?

edited: actually the varja activation, does not seem to be caused by Ranka. As it happened only after her singing. I watched it again to confirm. In additional there is this oji-san that yelled "Deculture" hmm, I think it might be a third species we are talking about here. Protoculture, then Deculture???

anyhow, the activation of the Varja in the jar, probably coincide with the attacked ordered on Macross Galaxy

shinta|hikari

Sun, 05-04-2008, 08:34 PM

@Ryll - I personally did not get what is embarrassing about it.

NeoBear

Sun, 05-04-2008, 10:30 PM

well dont get me wrong "I loves me (sum) Gundam" but i like watching valks go at it so much more then anything else. they are so much more versitial in the way they are used some times it seems like they transform just to show of, watching a valk in gerwalk mode cut a back flip never gets old =)

@ DC im pretty sure they Deculture thing is ment to be like a way of saying something with an accent maybe?

Like "oh Le romance" or maybe not but thats what i figured

Buffalobiian

Mon, 05-05-2008, 02:51 AM

Love triangel confirmed! Alto will have his hands full now. I think by the end of this series, Ranka will be able to rival Sherryl, both in romance and profession. The episodes was another good one. A break from the action, but character development was pretty solid. The phone scene in the locker was particularly funny.

KrayZ33

Mon, 05-05-2008, 07:41 AM

Gattais translation was pretty weak this time Oo

they didn't even translate everthing what was said... for example the scene were Sheryl explained that she goes back to galaxy etc.

and "No!? Hmphf! Swing and Kiss" <--- ???????????
how come ranka's and sheryls song are so different Oo?
Sheryl was singing something similiar to "Move before excuse me" and Ranka clearly sings "Beautiful! Excuse me"

this is really confusing, i speak engrish myself but this is even too much for me!
is there a side which has the "real" lyrics?
@ episode:

at first I thought I downloaded some really good animated hentai when I saw the scene in the locker :)
all in all it was a pretty cute episode... not much action, but the cliffhanger at the end sounds VERY promising! I hope the Galaxy-colonie is currently fighting the Vajra (or however they are spelled) and not wiped out alrdy. This sounds like a very promising fight! military planes and huge battleships already fighting those aliens.. and reinforcements (SMS, Battle Cruisers and normal military fighters) warping directly into the battlefield... if this is going to happen... I will die because of excitement!

This is just what I want.. its like I m watching a movie of the game Freespace!

and I want this "country-guitar" song... well i don't know if its really country... but the 2 songs when Alto got a call from SMS during the Miss Macross contest and when he flew out with his 2 friends...
I think it was played in the very first episode too, when the trained their preformance for Sheryl's concert... It is also played in the preview.

Yukimura

Mon, 05-05-2008, 09:48 AM

I'm loving this show. The "arrogant girl goes out for a day on the town with the main character who doesn't pander to her ego" episode is a pretty stock anime episode, yet with Macross F I was never bored or uninterested while watching it.

I agree with whoever it was on the last page that mentioned the strength of the characterization as a big factor in the likeability of the series. The whole ep Sheryl managed to be interesting and funny and cute, and Alto's actions and reactions were also humorours at times but basically he just did a good job at being a catalyst for Sheryl to demonstrate more of her depth.

The locker scene didn't really need to be there, yet it fit in with the episode and I for one am quite glad it was there. Seeing the giant Zentradi just going about their buisness like normal people was really interesting for it's novelty (to me at least) and then they used the giant setting quite effectively to showcase and increace the humor apparent in Sheryl's platfulness which was a nice touch. And finally, I really liked the relatively understated way the they set up the love triangle discovery scene. If Ranka had seen them togeather then just run off crying like a jealous lover it would have been very lame, instead she took it more like a girl who likes a guy but isn't in a relationship with him should.

But as fun as galavanting around Frontier must be they action can't stay away for too long. Hopefully next ep we'll get some more fighting, preferably incorperating the Zentradi trio as well so we can see new stuff.

Darknodin

Wed, 05-07-2008, 05:46 PM

I think Ranka is 3 parts human... being 1 part Vajra would be weird (the Vajra are solely the giant insect looking things with a giant gun on their back and the smaller support units, not the controllers)... as far as we know Ranka doesn't have a giant gun on her back (that'd be kinda cool tho!)

depthcharge

Wed, 05-07-2008, 08:23 PM

Man you have got to get with the program. after the idea(human merged bird) that was implemented in Macross Zero. Guns embedded in "Zentradi"X"Human" should be the norm.

Knives122

Thu, 05-08-2008, 05:14 PM

Two versions of the same song in the same ep!!! This will be the greatest OST ever.

Buffalobiian

Sun, 05-11-2008, 12:04 PM

Episode 6 - Gattai (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=18551)

KrayZ33

Sun, 05-11-2008, 07:03 PM

Hell yes, this stuff is just too great! I simply CAN NOT wait for the next episode... really.. amazing!
Really well done, the way they parted etc. it really felt like they were going into a war and might never come back again. (like in all the WW2 Movies!)

And the next episodes does simply look awesome... much action there..
Man it feels like I'm watching a freespace-movie here... *crys out of joy*

this episode was also funny btw... but still, its so tense! sheryls and altos parting was so well done... nice music, nice scenes.

I don't know but in my opinion, this series is a lot more emotional than others.. is it because of the music, or just the story? I don't know, but the funreal of that SMS guy who died in the first episode was really good too example.. with rankas song @ the background.

And this heroic music when the radar-planes were sent out and spottet that *huge* flagship of Macross Galaxy... ya the music makes the great animation even better and it feels like I'm watching some nice sci-fi-movie every single episode.

NeoBear

Sun, 05-11-2008, 10:19 PM

@ KrayZ the fact that you even know what Freespace is makes you cool in my book man

indeed i love macross and Frontier has been win and gold so far. next episode i expect to see more backfliping goodness =)

Buffalobiian

Mon, 05-12-2008, 01:06 AM

Another good set up episode. I might be a slow one to pick this up, but after they were talking about Ranka overthrowing Sheryl, I finally got the line: "Who is it that you'll kiss"

KrayZ33

Mon, 05-12-2008, 08:20 AM

Btw I want to have a table like they have there at the restaurant.... thats fucking cool way to annoy people!

*tip tip tip tip tip* -> *ahhh the dots are attacking meeeeeh*

NeoBear

Mon, 05-12-2008, 09:59 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP5y7yp06n0

we are almost there man give it a few more years

KrayZ33

Tue, 05-13-2008, 04:05 PM

lol cool!....

oh man I can barely wait for the next episode... I hope I won't be disappointed with it, this is just too cool... the music really fit in the last episode "long long goodbye, sayonara sayonara" *sing*

and when I saw this here

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2250/vlcsnap302441jl6.th.jpg (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap302441jl6.jpg)

my heart was filled with joy! I hope for a massive fight out there.... and I hope the military will also have some good fights, because their fighter-planes look soooo much cooler than that of the SMS-squad.... let's hope they don't die so easily like in the first episode and are more of a challange to the vajra like in episode 3(?) where the military came to their aid and killed the vajra.

I can't understand why animes are so much focused on the skill of the main character... it's so much cooler to see some rather "weak" guy being awesome... like in the first episode of gundam seed.. where the main character went into a Zaku and was able to deal with 2 Gundams , until reinforcements came in.

I hope the battle cruiser have some nice Lasercanons with them (like in freespace ^^)
up until now everything is like I want it to be (Frontier coming to their aid with 10 ships and not only the SMS-squad)... I hope they'll keep that up

this is really so much like a computer game... awesome

edit: @Chiodos

oh sry I meant "gundam seed destiny"

Chiodos

Fri, 05-16-2008, 08:14 AM

@Kray: Wait? Gundam Seed? That's totally wrong....he went into the Gundam itself at the end of the first ep...

Am I the only one, thinking that in the next episode, they'll only show some teaser before the actuall battle start? Just guesses from the preview.

And I still don't get why some folks in this show is bigger but I'll have to look up some info about that.

Ryllharu

Fri, 05-16-2008, 03:20 PM

And I still don't get why some folks in this show is bigger but I'll have to look up some info about that.It's already in this thread.

They explain it partially in the intro sequence before the OP. The events were all chronicled in the original Macross series. The "elves" are the Zentradi, the race of giants that humanity was nearly wiped out by when they attacked Earth. They were created by and enslaved to another race to act as warriors and not allowed culture of any kind. Humanity developed the first variable fighters to combat them and their weapons suits (now seen here as the mechs, before they were more like giant, armored spacesuits). They eventually heard songs from the original Miss Macross, Minmay. I don't know all the details because I haven't seen most of the original, but sooner or later the Zentradi rebelled and joined the humans against their masters.

Humans and Zentradi can interbreed because they are "genetically equivalent." Thus half-breeds like Mikael and quarters like Ranka. Zentradi are originally giants (as far as I know) and they can be micronized, where they change into more human-sized bodies, but maintaining their proportions. This is also how they interbreed with humans.

That's why it's funny that Klan Klein (Kuran Kuran, whatever) turns into a loli from a genetic abnormality. Her proportions don't stay right and she turns into a kid.

That should cover all the questions, either directly addressed or buried in one of those paragraphs.

They are a different race, the Zentraedi. A race of giants, meant to serve a different species as slaves more or less. Their encounter with humans was chronicled in the original Superdimensional Fortress Macross series from the 80s.

They call humans Miclones, and so the procedure for making themselves smaller is called being Micloned, or 'made human sized.'

They are a separate species, but are "genetically equivalent" to humans, and therefore they can breed with humans to make hybrids, like Ranka, Mikael, and some of the support crew.

After the events of SDF Macross, the Zentraedi and humanity joined together and peacefully (for the most part) spread across the galaxy.

depthcharge

Fri, 05-16-2008, 10:11 PM

I theorize that the Varja is either a de-evolved Zentradi/supervision army/ or the Protoculture creator's other "pet" project.

Unlikely that the Varja is controlled by a superior bipod beings, or a collective minds... sound way to much like those Zerg alien storylines.

Varja as a tool controlled by another - hmm dont think so
Varja as a "trap" - a loose cannon set to just destroy living things without prejudice.

What do you theorize as far as the main nemisis that has been presented in this Macross, the specie Varja really is, does it have a goal that will make this story interesting or just another alien "blockbuster" packaged differently.

Would you want to have the Varja assimilated just like the Zentradi?

I wonder why they did not remove the CNS/brain of the Varja they possesed?

depthcharge

Fri, 05-16-2008, 10:22 PM

ops double posted. damn dsl connection broke.

Buffalobiian

Fri, 05-16-2008, 10:47 PM

Would you want to have the Varja assimilated just like the Zentradi?

I wonder why they did not remove the CNS/brain of the Varja they possesed?

Unless you were to control 100% of it's every movement, you'd want to give it some sort of a brain. Things like life support and basic movement and co-ordination can be controlled using a very small brain, which is probably the case. You just don't give it any higher intellect.

That way, you can give it an order, like "fight", without telling it exactly "how" to fight.

Ryllharu

Sat, 05-17-2008, 05:34 AM

I'd think that's exactly why they want the Varja the way they are (whoever "they" are...)

The Zentradi betrayed their masters in the last television series. With the Varja being remote, mindless killing machines, you don't get that problem. They don't care. There isn't anything to assimilate into society, no culture for them to be attracted to.

They're more machines than living beings, as someone said...just like the Zerg.

Sun, 05-18-2008, 01:53 PM

Death13a

Sun, 05-18-2008, 02:01 PM

Wikipedia is your friend if you want to know more. Just read posts here they gave me much of knowledge about the series or post you question. I saw only chunks of first Macross. I think all you need to know to just jump in, is who are Zontradi are and little about their history.

KrayZ33

Sun, 05-18-2008, 02:12 PM

I don't mean to bring the discussion off-topic or anything but I wanted to know if I have to watch any of the previous Macross series to understand what's going on in Frontier? On ANN it said its a direct sequel to the first Macross series and Macross 7. I was browsing the thread and I saw Munsu's chronological post with the links and most of you guys said to stay away from Macross 7. So is it necessary to watch these two and any of the others to understand the story in this one?

there is nothing you NEED to know... you get a small explanation at the beginning

if you don't know anything from macross 7 (edit: oh I thought the original series IS macross 7 :P sry) then it'll be just a story similiar to battlestar galactica or Freespace

Ryllharu

Sun, 05-18-2008, 02:15 PM

You don't need to know anything from Macross 7. Ugh.

Most of the references in the series are either to the original series (songs, specific scenes, Chinese restaurants, etc) or Macross Plus (certain parts of the dialogue, some the concert parts, etc). You're not missing anything though, just a few inside jokes and references for those viewers.

As the others said, as long as you have a basic understanding of who the Zentraedi are and why they are allied with humans now (which you can get from the first five minutes of episode 1 or my and others' posts in this thread) you're all set.

Sun, 05-18-2008, 07:39 PM

Sounds good to me then! Guess I'll jump right into Frontier. Thanks again for the assistance guys! :)

Dark Dragon

Sun, 05-18-2008, 07:57 PM

As for Frontier, the Raw for episode 7 is available:

1440 x 1080 (http://tracker.anirena.com/download.php?id=6958)
1280 x 720 (http://tracker.anirena.com/download.php?id=6915)
AVI (http://tracker.anirena.com/download.php?id=6919)

After the Subbed version come out i would recommend for peoples to go back and watch the 1440x1080 version because this episode is simply beautiful.

Edit: Is it against the rules to post raw? i checked and thought it only apply to discussion of raw contents. The only reason i posted the raw was because the subbed is late this week and they usually do not release 1440x1080 version and there are peoples who might want it. I was wondering since i got neg rep for this post and I'll remove the link if needed.

NeoBear

Sun, 05-18-2008, 10:26 PM

oh man this being late this week is like a kick in the sack i know there has gotta be some awsome action in this episode =(

Buffalobiian

Mon, 05-19-2008, 04:02 AM

David75

Mon, 05-19-2008, 05:46 PM

I'm @ EP4 right now. Will have to stop, middle of the night here, work to come...

I think I like it, I was interrested in robotech I've seen when I was young... didn't understand much of it at the time, was interrested in dogfights, didn't understand how it was technically possible to have a plane/robot in the same machine.

I like the Lancia Delta Integrale Cameo (Main officer's car)
The scene were Ranka accidentaly seats on the "joy"stick was mean...
There's a little french note by sheryl, for once orthograph and grammar were correct in an anime. Syntax was ok too, but an informal note as this one should have been a tad shorter. I know, I ask for too much.

Regarding the Vajra, I think they are not lured by ranka's singing, nor they are for sheryl's, because both of them sing in times when the Vajras don't come...
To me, it's more when Sheryl and Ranka are in close proximity. Except maybe for ep 1.
Or there's something related to joy or love emotions.

Or for some reason sheryl or ranka have some beacon thinkg in them with an activation process we're not aware of.

Fight scenes are okay, hard to follow with subs (even more so when you have the fight, one song subbed and subs...)

Will continue watching this.
Oh and the giant alien is hot... I can imagine what could be done with such a great woman:o Sorry, my mind got sidetracked.

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-19-2008, 05:47 PM

Not so sure if it is legitimate yet, but:

[gg]_Macross_Frontier_-_07_[7B8F0A73].mkv (http://xabin.mine.nu/gg/%5bgg%5d_Macross_Frontier_-_07_%5b7B8F0A73%5d.mkv.torrent)

EDIT: It is indeed legit, and probably better than Gattai's subs, which are out as well. If you're into mediocre upscaled HD, [Gattai] Macross Frontier - 07 [1280x720 h264] (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=19423) (Not Gattai's fault, the broadcasters for not giving us real HD).

Either way, this episode was eye candy and a half. Nice treatment for the ears too. Perfect sensory overload. Reminds me time and time again why Macross will always be better than Gundam for me. Fancy flying from pilots with actual skills instead of overpowered hardware. Though, we did get a mysterious stranger just like that, who knows Ranka's song...

Aside from that, loved the Konig Monster. The sparks from landing on the deck, and distorting the HELL out of the decks of the battleship just from the blasts. Klan Klein was right, there's nothing in the universe that compares to Zentraedi weapons.

"Please help her understand why Quarter, while being a 400m-class, is christened Macross."
I knew what was going to happen, and it still made me smile like a moron when I saw it.

One more thing to like about this episode. Captain Glass abusing his own daughter on the command deck for being a bossy, regular military know-it-all. He got her to puke, how sweet.

The scene were Ranka accidentaly seats on the "joy"stick was mean...
Episode? Timestamp?
I don't remember anything like that. I must have missed it.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 05-19-2008, 07:22 PM

This shouldn't be a fake.

[Gattai] Macross Frontier - 07 [1280x720].mkv (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=19423)

depthcharge

Tue, 05-20-2008, 09:58 AM

Wow, just wow. Cant wait for the next big fight eventhough next week is most likely going to be some character development to juice up the show for some emotional fodder.

animus

Tue, 05-20-2008, 11:18 AM

Episode 7 was such an eyegasm.

Ryllharu

Tue, 05-20-2008, 07:23 PM

Think now nasty the Quarter Macross is. The Original Macross was massive, and a lot slower. The Quarter has immensely overpowered engines, and moves more like one of the VF-25s. That's like two of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier) hurtling at enemies at the speed of a jet fighter plane.

One thing still strikes me as strange though. They showed Ranka and Sheryl's singing connecting through her earing to the one Alto has, and that's what partially helped free him and Luca. But right before that, when Ranka and Sheryl had their little moment with a galaxy in the background, the two of them were connected in a similar way.

Sheryl's earing glowed second...after Ranka touched her lower body (either stomach or uterus area) and it glowed. Was that just symbolism or something way stranger?

Yukimura

Tue, 05-20-2008, 07:37 PM

Okay so Macross Quarter = Metroplex. Awesome...

The fighting was good, and it was nice to see a missile spam actually cause damage (Ozma >>>> Kira), but how many VF-25's has Alto now trashed?

The Sheryl Ranka connection opens new doors as does the oddly human looking guy with his oddly VF looking mech. Was he on the side of the Vajra and booked it when they were cooked or is there a third party? I don't think we'll be finding out next week.

Yukimura

Tue, 05-20-2008, 07:38 PM

Damn you Firefox! Please delete this post...

Ryllharu

Tue, 05-20-2008, 07:51 PM

The Sheryl Ranka connection opens new doors as does the oddly human looking guy with his oddly VF looking mech. Was he on the side of the Vajra and booked it when they were cooked or is there a third party? I don't think we'll be finding out next week.He was flying what resembled a VF in every way, but it obviously outperforms all of the VF-25s.

I would have said he could be on anyone's side at first, but he whipped out that harmonica and blew the first few bars of the song Ranka knows from her childhood and associates with her mother.

It's possible he is a survivor from the Research Fleet that "disappeared" long ago when the Vajra first attacked. Maybe that fleet isn't even gone, Ozma just assumed it was and too Ranka with him.

MFauli

Tue, 05-20-2008, 07:54 PM

One more thing to like about this episode. Captain Glass abusing his own daughter on the command deck for being a bossy, regular military know-it-all. He got her to puke, how sweet

Rather strong choice of wording, or did i miss something ;)

@episode 7:

The action was awsome. Most spectacular probably was, when the captains transformed ship fired that uber-cannon, and the Vajra-ship developed all these little bubble before it got BOOM. Great.

What i dont like is the whole singing...it´s rather ridiculous...it has nothing to do with the real story, yet half of the episode focusses on it. Also, Ranka´s singing voice sounds far too confident compared to her real world-voice. Whatever...

The Sheryl Ranka connection opens new doors

Again, i have to ask: Did i miss something?
That scene with Ranka and Sheryl in front of a galaxy-background was just a symbolism. There´s no actual connection as far as i got it. They simply sang at the same time, that´s it.

Yukimura

Tue, 05-20-2008, 10:44 PM

Considering that in the original Macross singing literally saved humanity from destruction I doubt that it is not going to play some major role in this series as well. I think singing is to the Macross franchise what giant space colonies or discovering that the side you were fighting for during the first half of the series isn't as sweet and noble as you thought are to the Gundam franchise.

Just look at the scene around 19:15-19:35, Sheryl and Ranka's song managed to instantaneously travel across several light years so that Alto could hear it through an earring, and then it had a paralyzing affect on the alien attacking him allowing him to kill it and save Luca.

Buffalobiian

Wed, 05-21-2008, 02:34 AM

Pure Win. All I could have asked is for it to air in true HD but meh, kick ass ep.

One more thing to like about this episode. Captain Glass abusing his own daughter on the command deck for being a bossy, regular military know-it-all. He got her to puke, how sweet.

Woah, I didn't know that Captain was the girl's dad.

Has anyone been downloading Aone's subs? Just interested in seeing how well pic quality is comparing Aone/Gattai/Shinsen&gg. I already know Aone wins at sub quality, so no comparing that.

edit:

That scene with Ranka and Sheryl in front of a galaxy-background was just a symbolism. There´s no actual connection as far as i got it. They simply sang at the same time, that´s it.

At 13:50, after Sheryl speaks her announcement, she goes silent, while Ranka looks at her and gets her message. Sure the galaxy thing was probably symbolic, but the actual communication seemed real. Ranka understood it, but hesitated, and Sheryl then retold her to sing along.

The Sheryl Ranka connection opens new doors as does the oddly human looking guy with his oddly VF looking mech. Was he on the side of the Vajra and booked it when they were cooked or is there a third party? I don't think we'll be finding out next week.

I'd say third party. He started off outside the mothership, and zipped it's way in during the battle, which Michel saw as pink flashes at 15:22. It sort of looked it, but I don't think it was responsible for the missiles that forced Alto to strip it's armour, since they looked Vajraen.

The carcasses which Alto first suggested as cannabalism were actually shot up by the pink aircraft, with still smoking bullet holes evident around the corridors. Exactly what it was doing watching over them and shooting Alto's weapon is beyond my understanding though.

Inazuma

Wed, 05-21-2008, 05:38 AM

David75

Wed, 05-21-2008, 07:14 AM

At this rate, MF is going to earn it's place in Series in Fuego

Side Note : I've just noticed that Klan is voiced by the same person that voice Revy (Black Lagoon). Increased Badassness for our blue haired fighter.

And Michel is voiced by the same VA as Zetsubo Sensei... which I find interresting. I think it's the first time I was clearly able to tell.

Regarding the locker scene, I love it!
It's erotic, sensual, and not underage for once... which is a great plus. With such a scene, we're at the limit of the ecchi...
Oh and the gigantic panty scene was fun too. It's sure that when you have an idea, a gigantic panty is the best place to write it down...

The only trouble I have with the zentradi is that they would normaly cause multiple problems:
Why can they exist in the first place? the human body can't be scaled that way, many unsolvable problems arise when you try to do so. Even some tricks from other know species can't apply... But who cares this is an anime.

Huge body means huge needs. Water, food, cloth etc... the toll would be quite high for a closed system. But you could always say that the system was calculated with that in mind. Yet, micronised zentradi should be the norm because it's always easier to scale such a system with reduced needs.

Isn't it dangerous to live around people that can crush you if they are careless, drunk, or just stumble and fall on someone? Because you can tell they weigh a lot from the pounding sounds they make when they walk. They seem to be 10 times taller than humans, that would mean 1,000 times heavier. Scary isn't it? But interresting ;)

Now the 400m Robot. Wow, and that thing moves easily and fast.
I know there's no gravity in space, yet intertia works. So that would be impressive.
Another matter is more around responsability.
I mean, one pilot who fights with hundreds of people aboard his mech: now that's responsability. Try to imagine a fighting Boeing 777 or Airbus A380 packed with people...

Overall this is fun and interresting to watch, worth every second of entertaining.

Buffalobiian

Wed, 05-21-2008, 07:26 AM

I was quite surprised too that that one guy was in charge of steerring/piloting AND steering. Normally a job like this would be split across the entire bridge.

What were the second fleet from Frontier doing though. They were the regular military, no? I just thought they looked kinda laid back, doing the info gathering that the SMS were supposed to do. They also gave us some shots of the heavily modified guy who seemed very interested in the Vajra. If he doesn't play a bad guy in the series, I'm guessing he'll be something of a chaotic good.

KrayZ33

Wed, 05-21-2008, 09:45 AM

This was awesome!, really... pure eye-candy and for some reason the scene in the vajra-mother ship reminded me of starcraft... it looked like a Space Marine fighting some zerglings.

I don't have to Mention that the mothership itself was way beyond cool... I don't want to say it again but "*FREESPACE! incommiiiiiiing*". I'd like to see a spaceship ,similiar to the Colossus, to appear in Macross Frontier, that would be amazing ^^

And that modified guy with the "green crystal eye" or whatever, reminded me of that guy from the game Supreme Commander... he looked fairly similiar, if not the same.

But I missed some regularl military fighting there... I saw a few other S.M.S. planes shortly before the carrier transformed into a robot, but no regular-non-transformable-planes ( the normal one does look much cooler than the robot type)

When skull 1 told Alto to stay back as much as possible and Alto complained you could see another 2 or 3 squads in the background, too bad we don't get to see some action from them :( sometimes they appear in the mess in the background, but nearly impossible to spot them while reading the subs

I like it more when they show some grunts or side characters fighting now and then
The same goes for the Zentradi squaid

btw the 2 planes leaving with that red-type... that were those AI-controled planes from Luca, right? (and why did the camera focus on this weird "thing" on Luca's arm when he was shown captured by the vajra? what was that?)

and one question.. the ending theme this time was different right? I can't check because my hard disk is fucked up and I had to reinstall everything and didn't get the older episodes back yet...

It's the best song in macross frontier so far in my opinion and it fits so perfectly with that plane flying through hyperspace... flying through space with that music in the background is a dream of mine :P

one last thing to the ending them. Is there no translation for the word "ruurerureiaa" ? what kind of noice is that? something like "la-la-la"? and the words after that? is this some weird language nobody knows about?

@ buffalo

could that red-plane guy be from Macross Galaxy?

he looks like a normal human being, with modifications however... and has some kind of ultra-high-tech-fighting plane (judged on its movement)
and the Base-Ship from Galaxy was also painted in a similiar colour.

And if we take into consideration that macross galaxy is a high-technology colony it is possible that he wanted to gain some information about the vajra... maybe he wanted to watch him getting consumed by them.. for some weird new technology

And that heavily modified guy was playing with his ring... I'm not sure but could this have been some kind of signal to the pilot? I bet he has some implants like sheryls manager.. and when he played with it, it made a "click" noise and not only that, it blinked! At first I thought it was a shiny jewel but now... after rewatching it, the *blink* could also have come from the inside of that stone
Well who is that guy anyways? I thought implants and modifying is illegal in Frontier, so he might be from Galaxy too.

And That guy in the red-plane...he knows the same song as Ranka... with that weird language in it... Zentradi? whatever it is, he knows it and can understand it.
Here again, I can't check where she got that song from... because I don't have the older eps anymore... someone help here if there is something worthy to know? Maybe she said something like "my brother always sung this song to me" or so... and that red-guy is actually her REAL brother or something like that

I remember that she said something about that song. when she was sitting near that stone.
edit. Ha found it... "I don't remember anything from my childhood... only this song"

so I guess, he has to do something with ranka! Thats actually very interesting, wouldn't have thought that such a connection would exist here! Now that I think about it.... his hair is really weird (like ranka's) and I don't believe they made him play this song just because it fits there... it has to mean something!

NeoBear

Wed, 05-21-2008, 04:02 PM

ya know speaking of the guy in the purple vf reminds me of the macross saga with the tanks (cant remember name)

as i recall in that series the bad guys had these mechs and later it was discovered that they were not controled via flight sticks and what not but through direct mind link or something. it was also explained that this allowed them to move all life like (not that vf move around like slugs mind you)

also in macross plus the vf 21 that Gould (was that his name?) flew was controled buy linking with his brain or whatever if i remember. i wonder if the purple VF is the same set up i mean in the scene with alto watching skull 1 bouncing all around he was pulling some crazzy moves there. but later on the guy in the purple VF looked like he was spazzing out in his plane and at the end when hes sitting there in the cockpit it does not resemble a traditional set up hell he didn't even have on a helmet?

Ryllharu

Wed, 05-21-2008, 04:18 PM

The only trouble I have with the zentradi is that they would normaly cause multiple problems:
Why can they exist in the first place? the human body can't be scaled that way, many unsolvable problems arise when you try to do so. Even some tricks from other know species can't apply... But who cares this is an anime.

Huge body means huge needs. Water, food, cloth etc... the toll would be quite high for a closed system. But you could always say that the system was calculated with that in mind. Yet, micronised zentradi should be the norm because it's always easier to scale such a system with reduced needs.

Isn't it dangerous to live around people that can crush you if they are careless, drunk, or just stumble and fall on someone? Because you can tell they weigh a lot from the pounding sounds they make when they walk. They seem to be 10 times taller than humans, that would mean 1,000 times heavier. Scary isn't it? But interresting ;)
Why do the Zentradi exist in the first place?
They were a race manufactured by the Protoculture, the first civilization in the galaxy, and one that felt it should should perhaps be the only civilization in the galaxy. The are not humans (just "genetically equivalent" to allow for interbreeding in subsequent series). It's easier to think of Zentradi and humans as different "breeds," much like dogs. There are really tiny dogs, and really large dogs, and everyone one of them can breed with any of the others. Same thing...kinda.

Huge body means huge needs.
They seem to have that under control. It seemed like the section of the Frontier fleet that Alto took Sheryl to was mostly reserved for the Zentradi. They had their own farmers working on their own fields. It should be fairly clear that there are dramatically less Zentradi in the fleet than humans. Half-breeds, yes, but not too many pure bloods. There was a lot of open space on the ship they went to, and it should follow with the presence of the mall, that most of the Zentradi live on that ship.

Now, Sheryl mentioned there aren't many (if any) Zentradi in the Galaxy Fleet where she comes from. She mentioned that Galaxy is a closed system, and while constantly upgrading, is way behind the Frontier Fleet. Such a system was not designed to care for a lot of Zentradi, and so it doesn't.

Connecting with the first question, don't forget that a huge body that has huge needs also provides a lot of benefits. Heavy labor, lifting, and large scale construction (very useful in space fleets) is child's play to a Macro sized Zentradi. Humans would require huge cranes, whereas the other side is just the space and cost of food for a average Zentradi male or even a female. The hippo-cow was lifted like it was a cat, something that would be nearly impossible for a human (huge animal, not to mention in deep water).

Isn't it dangerous to live around people that can crush you if they are careless, drunk, or just stumble and fall on someone?
Like I mentioned in the paragraph above, they seem to have that under control. In the mall, there were segregated sections. Some walkways were much smaller, and the stores would accommodate humans or Micloned Zentradi, while the main stretch of the mall catered more to full-sized Zentradi.

On the main ship, we hadn't seen any full-sized Zentradi. That city and ship is geared more towards human-sized citizens. The Frontier Fleet worked it out. Zentradi have a place where they can be themselves, humans aren't excluded, and since they are able to Miclone themselves down to human size, there's nothing stopping the Zentradi from visiting and enjoying the rest of the Fleet.

It wouldn't be all that different if the Zentradi were human-sized fish people, for instance. Sections of the fleet would cater to each group, and for whichever group it was more numerous , the main sections would allow for plenty of intermingling, by making things convenient for both. Zentradi just have the advantage of not needing that with the micloning process. But they'd still want a place to be themselves.

also in macross plus the vf 21 that Gould (was that his name?) flew was controled buy linking with his brain or whatever if i remember. i wonder if the purple VF is the same set up i mean in the scene with alto watching skull 1 bouncing all around he was pulling some crazzy moves there. but later on the guy in the purple VF looked like he was spazzing out in his plane and at the end when hes sitting there in the cockpit it does not resemble a traditional set up hell he didn't even have on a helmet?
Yep, Guld Goa Bowman.

It's very possible that the YF-21 prototype plans were used somewhere else. It was two companies building the YF-21 and the YF-19. The YF-19 became the VF-19 Valkyries that were used in Macross 7. The company developing the YF-21 may have just taken their plans off to wherever this guy is from.

animus

Thu, 05-22-2008, 08:31 AM

Imagine having Klan as your girlfriend. You'd never be unsatisfied with those boobs when she's giant sized.

Inazuma

Thu, 05-22-2008, 09:16 AM

Imagine having Klan as your girlfriend. You'd never be unsatisfied with those boobs when she's giant sized.

You, kind sir, just won any argument about Klan or Zentradis.

David75

Thu, 05-22-2008, 09:55 AM

Imagine having Klan as your girlfriend. You'd never be unsatisfied with those boobs when she's giant sized.

You, kind sir, just won any argument about Klan or Zentradis.

Boobs aren't all there is to sexuality. But I can't go in futher details as this is not the place.

@ Ryllharu

Nice other view on pros/cons.
We only need to know what's the energy requirements for micronisation/demicronisation. I guess that Entropy aside, they can come up with the idea that the loss is fairly small every two transformation. So maybe they can optimise things so that to keep low needs.

In fact I realised the potential dangers when that zentradi stoop up with the cow underarm, and when sheryl was in a giant shoe... (please don't try that shoe, you giant hag!!!)

I'll finish that here, unless they specifically point at things in the show. But I was interrested in Giants ever since I was little and first read the poem "The Giantess" by Charles Baudelaire.

here it is:
http://fleursdumal.org/poem/118

Buffalobiian

Fri, 05-23-2008, 08:29 PM

Holy shit, these guys are on fire.

Macross Frontier - 08 gg Fansubs (http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/%5Bgg%5D_Macross_Frontier_-_08_%5B409BAC36%5D.mkv.torrent)

The file's not upscaled right? The file size can be half way between the two.

Yukimura

Fri, 05-23-2008, 09:48 PM

Lol, more Sheryl awesomeness. I don't know why she seems so awesome when she's not all that different from so many other diva types, but I just love her antics and personality.

I kind of feel bad for the way she inadvertantly takes away pretty much everything Ranka desires but I find it hilarious that they mange to make it so she really takes away EVERYTHING Ranka desires in some way or another.

animus

Sat, 05-24-2008, 12:34 AM

The animation was all over the place.

More slice of life I guess is always nice.

shinta|hikari

Sat, 05-24-2008, 01:29 AM

Yup, the animation was terrible in this episode, as if they ran out of money in the last one.

Ryllharu

Sat, 05-24-2008, 05:05 AM

Lol, more Sheryl awesomeness. I don't know why she seems so awesome when she's not all that different from so many other diva types, but I just love her antics and personality.
I think it is because Sheryl ends up being so earnest about everything. When we initially saw her, she complains about the flight, quickly snaps to being lovely for the cameras, then turns bitch again at the concert (complaining about them letting school kids backstage, and then complaining that she "Wasn't done" when the alarms went off).

But then later at the mall, we see how serious she really is about all this. She sings because she "has to." That changes our perspective on her a bit. She was complaining, but there's no way she'd let that show in her public appearance. Her fans have an expectation, and like she said to Grace, "Who do you think I am?" and livens up immediately before the doors open. As for the concert, she was worried about the presence of schoolkids backstage disrupting the set up, but it was pre-show, so we all had to expect her to be a bitch.

When Alto crashes into her, instead of making any kind of fuss, she immediately ad libs the whole stage number, and it turns out fine. Alto (coming from the entertainment stage himself) is thoroughly impressed. Then at the end, what could once have been viewed as egotistical, after the mall scenes, we view it as her being infuriated that her concert was cut short. She loves to sing, and loves being able to do it for others even more.

The reason Sheryl is so likable is because her image is starting to blur. Yes, she's still fickle and kind of a bitch. But she really only messes with Alto. In front of everyone else, she tries to maintain her image, though in this episode, that is obviously beginning to slip.

She's earnest and open with her feelings, unlike Ranka, Nanase (for Mikael?), and Cathy (for Ozma and that other a-hole, Leon). She holds nothing in reserve and holds nothing back.
-----------------------------------------

I did really like the part where Cathy gets all embarrassed about trying to set up a date with her superior while Ozma (her ex) is in the room and getting all nervous and flustered. Then she immediately checks for any wrinkles. Once a contestant for Miss Macross, always a contestant for Miss Macross.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 05-24-2008, 09:21 PM

Watching gg's release in full screen wasn't that bad at all. Can those extra pixels really make such a difference?

I think by now we all get the picture that Leon is up to no good, besides being an asshole. The green-eyed guy's probably with him. Whether the pilot of the red suit was the watchman he sent is another thing, since they don't usually expose themselves like that.

I forgot the source, but I found the model number of the red suit:

(Spoiler)

Suit number:VF-27(/spoiler)

NeoBear

Sat, 05-24-2008, 11:29 PM

well if its a VF i think it would make sense its so like the VF-21 the look and the way it seems to be controled. i wonder if Leon knows about it or if theres some (super secret SMS) type unit that operates under his controle there are still a few people who have been shown that we know nothing about, and we also still have no clear idea of whats really controling the Vajara.

KrayZ33

Sun, 05-25-2008, 07:17 PM

funny episode,the pantsu-chase was cool ^^ Sheryls face @ 17:20 is pure awesome

too bad that I have to wait another week (or even more) until I get to know why that guy in the red suit knows Ranka's song :/

and where did this green-critter come from? I thought it was Ranka's mobile telephone at first and when she spotted it I though she'd say "Hey, you will become my new Nokia 3d35e" (that thing is damn cute btw :P)

Btw the animation quality differs every minute... one time, its nice... then a few seconds later they draw faces which look extremely ugly and weird.

I'm amazed @ how fast Sheryl wasa able to control "samson" (poor samson btw)... maybe she will be Altos Co-pilot or something, that would be cool

Next episode sounds interesting too.

Buffalobiian

Mon, 05-26-2008, 06:21 AM

Macross Frontier 8 (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=20244)by Gattai for the HD addicted

GurrenLagann

Mon, 05-26-2008, 09:43 AM

Btw the animation quality differs every minute... one time, its nice... then a few seconds later they draw faces which look extremely ugly and weird.

Are you serious? I found nothing wrong with the animation. It went smooth and everyone looked cute. Sheryl was so awesome in this episode...

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-26-2008, 11:10 AM

Thats because you are either blind, or have a very loose idea of good animation.

Kraco

Mon, 05-26-2008, 02:47 PM

Is it just a flawed notion on my part or is Alto almost totally disinterested in women? He seems to help Sheryl a lot, but it looks to me he does that because some sort of a traditional / good upbringing is "forcing" him to help people he knows, especially those who ask or assume he will help them (that is, push themselves on him), so, out of politeness and honour. Otherwise he makes no moves on his own nor does he show interest in Ranka, who is far more reserved than Sheryl and does little by herself. Sheryl is the kind of woman you can't avoid dealing with because she stops at nothing to get what she wants.

Alto is only interested in flying. I'm surprised he even spends time with the others and is not using his free time to train.

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-26-2008, 02:53 PM

I felt the animation was actually very consistent throughout the episode. The issue is that it was not the same animation we've had the rest of the season. Characters were more gaunt, and limbs a bit more spindly. The motions were very fluid, but the drawing of the characters was done on the cheap.

It's pretty much the same thing that happened to one of the episodes of Utawarerumono (eps 14). It's budget conservation.

EDIT:
@Kraco

I think Alto is becoming increasingly aware of Sheryl and how much attention she gives him. Perhaps he views her as "out of reach," even though he never really cared in the first place about idols and the like. They are very open with each other, though I'm not sure if Sheryl likes him or is still just fooling around with him at this point. Then again, she did basically pull off the "knightly tribute" giving him her earing before they left for the Galaxy fleet. It might just be too early for their relationship to start growing for either one. I'm pretty sure it will at from here on out.

As for Ranka, he just doesn't see her at all that way, so that may be a large part of it.

Kraco

Mon, 05-26-2008, 03:14 PM

So, while it seemed in the beginning Alto and Ranka would be the couple of this series, you think that's out of question for good? Ranka seems to be in love with Alto, though. But who knows, if the mystery pilot isn't her brother, maybe she will fall for him. In any case I always feel annoyed watching a one-sided affair so while I hoped for Alto+Ranka, it would be better if Ranka found somebody else as clearly she can't conquer Alto like Sheryl could with her slaver attitude.

Yukimura

Mon, 05-26-2008, 03:34 PM

I've been on team Alto+Sheryl from the beginning. Ranka has no spine when it comes to romantic conflict and I can't in good conscience root for her to get a romantic handout from Alto.

Sheryl takes what she wants when she wants but she clearly can't take Alto's heart tunless he decides to give it, so I'll root for her efforts to be rewarded, if she's actually aiming for him of course. I feel bad for Ranka though, she seems to have enough backbone to be somewhat respectable when Sheryl is not there, however the brilliance of Sheryl's aura just leaves her dumbstruck and useless. If she can get over that and put up a decent fight then the triangle will get a lot more interesting.

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-26-2008, 04:01 PM

I was firmly in the Alto x Ranka camp early on, but the date Sheryl dragged him into taking her on switched me to the Alto x Sheryl camp. It was a huge eye opener (as I have elucidated many times in this thread) into Sheryl's real personality, very open, very earnest, and unrestrained.

What I had previously viewed as Ranka being the "pure" one, you could now plainly see in both. Ranka has one type, innocence, but Sheryl also has that innocence, just in a different delivery. The normally mature Sheryl was acting like a grade schooler, and didn't really seem to care who saw her acting that way. The opposite of what we saw in the beginning which was of someone who carefully manufactured her appearance and persona.

But what it has finally come down to is compliment. Right now, Sheryl compliments Alto's personality a lot better. Alto, being a kabuki-trained brat, is the ultimate embodiment of control and precision. Every move is supposed to be carefully orchestrated to show off whatever the character is meant to (in Alto's case it appears to be women, hence "Hime" and his occasional mirror preening). Alto is quiet, reserved while a little hot headed when it comes to flying, and tends to give the air of sophistication, also contributing to his nickname.

Sheryl's real personality is the total opposite. She runs around, playing pranks on Alto, pissing him off, bothering him, yelling at him, etc. Sheryl, dropping the airs surrounding her at the concert, embodies a feeling of chaos, unreserved emotion and delight at all the things she never spent time doing. An infectious lack of control.

More importantly, Sheryl breaks Alto's equilibrium. Most of his outbursts outside the cockpit involve her. She gets that hidden fire out of him, breaks his composure.

Ranka on the other hand, though she is finally realizing her affection for Alto, doesn't bring that passion out of him. Alto continues his "cool" persona, giving her plenty of advice, like a brother to a little sister. Ranka lacks that determination that Sheryl and Alto both possess, so there's no similar fire to resonate with him.

It's definitely to early to say, but those are some of the reason I switched to the Alto x Sheryl camp.

animus

Mon, 05-26-2008, 04:54 PM

Alto also seems rather perturbed around Ranka.

KrayZ33

Mon, 05-26-2008, 06:04 PM

I'd like to see a "alto+sheryl" couple...

Ranka is nearly 18 years old (not too sure here, but her "brother" said that she is nearly an adult), yet she looks like a small child and thats actually pretty annoying in my opinion ^^... but even that aside, I think sheryl and alto fit together... and we saw that both like each other when he wanted to give her the earring back... and alto also showed us, that he cares much about here, since he always watched at the earring

maybe ranka gets closer to that "special guy" @ the end of episode 8 (and 7)

btw... which translation is the better one to keep?
the quality of the raw is pretty much the same imho, but I always wonder if the translations from gg are actually right?

for example "that clothing was my underwear" - "you're being to graphic!" - "whats the problem? you are just alto..."

the problem might be ME, but what does being graphic to do with anything... and why "you are just alto" as an answer?
someone cares to explain? (and answer the question which is the better subbing-group, that is if nobody already answered that in this thread before)

I know what "you are being to graphic" means in german.. (the translation) but what does it say about someone if he is too graphic? that he cares to much about his appearance? if that's the case, then I don't understand why she says "you are just alto" after that.

Ryllharu

Mon, 05-26-2008, 07:31 PM

shinta|hikari

Mon, 05-26-2008, 11:36 PM

Well, its Macross, so I bet there will be a period when Ranka will take the lead with Alto just to make the triangle a lot more complicated. While I am 100 percent for Alto and Sheryl, I have a bad feeling it will end in another way...

David75

Tue, 05-27-2008, 12:05 AM

Buffalobiian

Tue, 05-27-2008, 02:16 AM

I know what "you are being to graphic" means in german.. (the translation) but what does it say about someone if he is too graphic? that he cares to much about his appearance? if that's the case, then I don't understand why she says "you are just alto" after that.

That shows that even Sheryl isn't entirely sure of her feelings for Alto. she knows she gets along with him, and feels no need to keep up her image around him, but from "You're only Alto", it indicates that she doesn't know (or fully accept) the importance that Alto is to herself.

shinta|hikari

Tue, 05-27-2008, 06:34 AM

Or she is just being the tsundere that she is.

KrayZ33

Tue, 05-27-2008, 06:54 AM

Ah, ok... thx 4 the answers
it was confusing for me

GurrenLagann

Thu, 05-29-2008, 06:51 AM

Thats because you are either blind, or have a very loose idea of good animation.

No, I know good animation when i see it and this episode had good animation compared to bunch of other animes out there. Maybe you just have bad taste for animation. but on to more important things

hmm Seems Macross Frontier is directly connected to Macross Zero maybe we'll get to know what happen to Shinn and Sara Nome from Zero, and maybe see or hear that Mao Nome is a relative (grandmother?) of Sheryl. Now Sheryl is going to flight school, maybe she will play a role similar to Nekki Basara from Macross 7? Ranka and the blond dude seem to be related in someway he could be the spy Leo sent to keep an eye on Ranka. Alto reminds me a lot of Kamille from Zeta Gundam, although more tsundere for Sheryl and Ranka. Next week episode seems we will get to know more about Micheal those the title friendly fire concerns me a bit...oh well see you next deculture!

Chiodos

Thu, 05-29-2008, 07:10 AM

I do hope they don't connect this show with the others becuse......
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I wouldn't understand a thing then becuse I havent watched them : (...

KrayZ33

Thu, 05-29-2008, 07:14 AM

they won't

macross zero plays around ~2008 or so (the first episode proves that, the "nuke" exploded 1995 if I remember correctly and the main character was a small child back then) ... and I don't know which age Macross Frontier is from, but I don't think its anywhere near that

Macross Zero plays 1 year before the Zentradi made their first appearance from what I've heard

yet I never watched the original Series which plays 1 year after Macross Zero.. and from what I've read Macross Frontier is a direct sequel.

edit: Frontier plays around 2059... hmm wow I didn't know that it is so close to the original series.

GurrenLagann

Thu, 05-29-2008, 05:57 PM

Yes, Macross frontier is only, 48 years after Macross Zero 47 after SDF1, 13 years after Macross 7, You should watch macross Zero it's pretty good and the dog fights were incredibly well done, Also it seems that in frontier they did mention elements from Zero, If you can't watch zero or something, i think Macross F will explain it a bit for those who haven't watched it.

Ryllharu

Thu, 05-29-2008, 07:05 PM

I think the only real connection in Frontier to Zero is Sheryl, being a descendant of the two female leads in Zero.

I definitely noticed way more connections to SDF, from the blatant (Ranka singing Minmay's song at the Miss Macross competition, working at a Chinese restaurant, just about anything else with Ranka) to the more subtle (the Cathy-Ozma former relationship, the missing fleets). I know I'm missing a ton more of them.

But the overall theme and feel of Frontier keeps screaming Plus at me. Sheryl's concerts heavily borrow elements of the really high technology used at Sharon Apple's concerts (copious amounts of holographics), Alto and Sheryl's attitude towards their respective careers is pure Isamu Dyson, and Ranka's song "Aimo" is "Voices" all over again.

Now...I'm sure there are a few 7 references here and there, but I'm doing my best to ignore a lot of them.

GurrenLagann

Thu, 05-29-2008, 09:53 PM

Well they mention the BIRD people in episode 8 using screens directly from Zero, so this kinda expands from more than just sheryl i'm starting to think Zero has become the prequel to Frontier...Oh Ranka singing the songs and all that are just homages nothing really related to the story like Zero's bird people and Nome last name

Ryllharu

Fri, 05-30-2008, 03:47 AM

They are all prequels though. It's not just one or the other.

The events of Zero bring in some of our lead characters.
The events of SDF set the stage (the allied Zentradi and colony ships).
The events of Plus bring us the attitude of the pioneer, the maverick pilot, and of two different singers.
...and Macross 7 we can pretend doesn't exist.

GurrenLagann

Fri, 05-30-2008, 07:33 AM

yes they are prequels but Zero seems to be more connected to Frontier. Macross 7 was good I mean, it had space whales!

Buffalobiian

Fri, 05-30-2008, 08:42 PM

Macross Frontier - 09 gg Fansubs (http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/%5bgg%5d_Macross_Frontier_-_09_%5b040FC4EE%5d.mkv.torrent)

NeoBear

Fri, 05-30-2008, 10:13 PM

yes they are prequels but Zero seems to be more connected to Frontier. Macross 7 was good I mean, it had space whales!

oh god please never ever speak of the space whales again....

and man they are blowing my mind i knew this would be better then MC7 but its going into godly mode they are pulling all of the (GOOD) from every thing that came be for Frontier and some how ditching all the bad and thats no small task =)

Ryllharu

Sat, 05-31-2008, 06:24 AM

So the reason Klan gets all feisty around Michael when she's Micloned is because she likes him so much. Not much of a surprise, but young (yet still giant) Klan was cute. Must be weird to have a childhood relationship with someone many times your size. I had no idea they were vaguely the same age.

We also got to see the Micloning process, so now some our questions about that are answered.

It seems like Grace has her hand in everything. Spying on the meeting, knowing who Michael's sister was, etc. I don't know if they are just using her Voice Actress (Kikuko Inoue) again, but whoever is controlling Purple 1 has the same voice. It's very suspicious that Grace knows all these things and may be controlling someone who we are not very sure which side they're on.

At the same time, there's doubt, since Macross Frontier uses voice actors over. Aya Hirano is used twice (one of the operators, and one of the Meltrandi pilots), and Houko Kuwashima plays two different roles (Nanase and Kanaria). We can't be sure if his controller is Grace or not.

But it brings up the idea that there is a much bigger conspiracy going on. Why do they want the information about the Vajra not getting out? Did they create them? Or are they noble in nature? Are they trying to keep it for themselves or simply prevent the Frontier military from studying them for use as weapons? Too many possibilities.

But Brera (Purple 1) was more than happy to shoot up Klan and Alto, so I have to lean towards them being evil.

yes they are prequels but Zero seems to be more connected to Frontier.
You might finally be right about next week's episode, but I fail to see any connection to Zero earlier in the series. If you want to provide some examples like I have, I would appreciate it, then maybe I can better see where you are coming from. SDF-1 and Plus have a much more prominent influence, particularly the former.

GurrenLagann

Sat, 05-31-2008, 08:22 AM

Well in Macross F they use the traditional Macross SDF-1 and plus Story style for example, love triangle between the main character, a Hikaru type a Max type and Kakizaki type (Alto, Micheal, Luca). However it seems that Macross Frontier makes a direct connection to Macross Zero, in episode 8 they mention the "bird people" and show footage from the ruins in Zero, Sheryl is part of the nome family, Probably Mao Nome. Maybe in macross frontier we will know what the hell happen to Shinn and Sarah...(I still want basara to make an epic come back have a duet with Sheryl)

KrayZ33

Sun, 06-01-2008, 08:04 AM

Pretty nice episode!

Favorite scene: Vajra attacking the NUNS getting intercepted by 2 military fighters :P that was cool, too bad we didn't see more of this.

Btw the gestures done by Mechas look somehow weird ^^. It must be because its "too much" computer animated, I wish they would animate less with the computer and work more with actually drawn scenes.

But for example in episode 1 there was this scene with alto were he rushed forward shooting his gun.. that looked like it was taken out of some computer game which was created 5 years ago or so. (not so good...)

And I somehow start to hate sheryls manager...however I can't explain the reason at the moment. It's just her attitude and the way she smiles... the smile of her is ugly :/

KrayZ33

Sun, 06-01-2008, 08:07 AM

sry doublepost...

xtallography

Sun, 06-01-2008, 12:01 PM

I did like the ep but it made me laugh every time they showed Michael trying to aim a rifle at a target sporadically moving and then his "they're moving too fast" made me laugh even more. Well, of course they are and of course you'll never get a shot off. I realize that he was trying to find the pattern in the movement (ala Klan's fight with the purple mech) but it still just seemed kinda silly to me.

Sheryl's manager now becomes more interesting since she is (unknowingly :confused: ) listening in on the SMS/military briefings and ordering around the purple mech (I've forgotten that guy's name and too lazy to go back and see if it was said while he was watching Ranka). It does help explain more of the real motive to have Sheryl at the academy (and now in the SMS group there) and will she "fall" for Michael's advances for the sake of more insider information. Plus if she does and that ends badly it will replay the whole sibling experience which leads into the idea of history repeating... a tenet of Macross itself. Also, you can make the argument that she is behind the hampering of Ranka's career given her "connections".

The preview for the next ep didn't look that exciting. It just seemed like a love triangle development episode.

KrayZ33

Sun, 06-01-2008, 01:05 PM

I realize that he was trying to find the pattern in the movement (ala Klan's fight with the purple mech) but it still just seemed kinda silly to me.

Thats what i thought, too... especially after he said "give me the course data".

And wow, the "best sniper" in S.M.S. managed to miss 2 times a target which doesn't move.
S.M.S. surely sucks ^^

edit: btw can anyone tell me how accurate [gg]-subs are? Are they a good group?
Because I watched different version and well... everyone seems to translate nearly everthying differently.

ah and just watched the preview..."Legend of Zero", yay!

NeoBear

Sun, 06-01-2008, 02:32 PM

ya know i don,t really understand why everyone seems to want to tie Zero in with Frontier from a time line stand point?

i certainly understand that they are going to use some of the (lore) from zero but i mean zero does not seem like it can happen in the what i would think is the normal macross time line. in the first macross it was explained that when the macross ship was found it was our first contact with aliens it was also why VF's were created in the first place and also the frist time we saw zentradi

however in zero there wear no zentradi and the the VF's seem to have just been introduced with the enemy flying them as well also there was no Macross'?

so zero would have had to taken place be for or after Macross but in either case it would not work as far as i can tell. the way i see it zero was just a side story with theme's used from the macross lore.

so while i have no problum with them pulling lore from macross i don,t understand how they would try to fit it into the Frontier time line im interested in seeing how they pull it off in the next episode.

Kraco

Sun, 06-01-2008, 03:59 PM

NeoBear

Sun, 06-01-2008, 04:08 PM

i think you are over thinking things im pretty sure that it will never EVER be explained why he has been able to fly in and out of frontier (undetected). im sure they will explain who he is or something but explaineing wich dock he flys out of or what codes he uses to get buy the security/cameras ect ect will never be explained.

if they do explain it he will be part of a SUPER SECRET NINJA group that works under cover or some crap

xtallography

Sun, 06-01-2008, 05:24 PM

Well, whatever group he is working for, they seem to be involved in the varja on that wrecked freighter and they want it kept quiet.

If I had to guess, I'd say some secret military unit. Probably some crazy biological warfare research project that was started and grew out of control and thus "became" the varja.

GurrenLagann

Sun, 06-01-2008, 05:36 PM

NeoBear

Sun, 06-01-2008, 10:03 PM

Zero was the start of Macross, of course there won't be any zentran or meltran that happens a year later. Frontier time line takes about 50Years, you make it sound as if wasn't possible to add to frontie, how hard is it to understand that they are connecting Zero to Macross Frontier >_>;.

The Vf27S pilot comes from the macross galaxy fleet,I'm thinking that He's taking orders from Grace, but this is only my assumption....

...how do you figure zero is the start of macross did you watch the original macross?

so lets say that zero was the start why in the original do they say the world was basicaly in a slump then bam this shit (the macross) drops outta the sky and the world comes togeather to study it further more after reserching the Macross it was learned that there was a possibility of a race of giants wich is why VFs were created in the first place.

if zero is the start why did they have VFs and why did the enemy have them and why wear there no mention of zentradie ect ect it seems pretty clear to me without having to think about it that Macross was the start and zero was just a side story (OAV)

if you dont agree thats ok but have a look at
http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Main_Page

theres plenty of info on time lines reading a bit and + the fact that i was there back in day (im pretty old ya know =/) it just would not make sense for zero to be first if you want to tie it in ok but first how the hell do you get VFs without the damn ship droping outta the sky witch happened in MACROSS!!!! >.<

David75

Mon, 06-02-2008, 03:40 AM

What amazes me is that that Pink Fighter looses a leg and possibly a full arm (or at least shoulder) and is still able to transform back from mecha to plane and speed away from the fight as if it was nothing.

The other strange thing is that Alto is able to be on a higher level than him when it seems his fighting suit is so superior. You could say it was a way of buying time and occupy Alto and Michel so that the mission is completed: Klan, Alto and Michel do not get anything from that ship.

Michael, Mickael or Michel? Well Alto used Michel and some other pronounciation.
It seems clear that Michel (pronounciation around Me-Shell) is from a french background, so the pronounciation should be that one. Also he is a seducer, stereotype for french young guys. In the same train of thought I wonder if anything sexual happened beetween him and Klan... Or if he did, from that ep, it was in gigantic form... lucky guy :p but they're more like childhood friends with klan having a crush on him (love wise of course... or he'd be dead...) and him never going out with her.

And yes, Vajra could be some experiment that didn't go as planned...

KrayZ33

Mon, 06-02-2008, 03:52 AM

theres plenty of info on time lines reading a bit and + the fact that i was there back in day (im pretty old ya know =/) it just would not make sense for zero to be first if you want to tie it in ok but first how the hell do you get VFs without the damn ship droping outta the sky witch happened in MACROSS!!!! >.<

The Super Dimension Fortress Macross -> Chronology 1999-2012
Macross Zero -> Chronology 2008 (and @ the beginning July 1999)
Macross Frontier -> Chronology 2059

Macross zero was set in the last year of the war between the UN Spacy and the Anti-UN separatist forces

But since the spaceship dropped in 1999 (shin says that a second sun has risen) it's very likely that they reasearched it and tried to rebuild the aircraft...

wikipedia says this:
In 1999, a city-sized alien spacecraft crashes on Earth and over the course of 10 years the humans reverse-engineered the technology and rebuilt the spacecraft. It is completed just before a fleet of Zentradi warships arrive on the hunt for the ship which belongs to their enemy, the Supervision Army (See Protodeviln)

so Zero plays one year Before the war against the Zentradi
I don't know when the actual plot of SDF-macross started. but I think it's focussed on the war against the giant race.. so ya macross zero is chronology the oldest of the macross series.

Another fact to support this theory is that Shin is a Pilot of a VF-0 and the one of SDF-Macross is a Pilot of a VF-1S (as far as I know the VF-1 was only a test-unit at first but got mass-produced later because of its success)

All in all... macross zero does play before the main-plot of SDF-Macross

we got to know in macross zero that the spaceship dropped alrdy (see intro sequence)
So the spaceship did not only drop in SDF-Macross but in Macross-Zero too.

edit: I'm repeating myself :/

Ryllharu

Mon, 06-02-2008, 04:18 AM

...but the first series (and a few recaps in the other series, including this one) states that VF's were developed as a response to the Zentradi and Meltrandi suits.

It doesn't make sense for Zero to have developed the variable fighters for any purpose but that.

@David: All of the pronunciations are acceptable. Alto called him Mikael (Mi-ki-al) at the beginning, while Luca and Klan called him (Mi-shell). Alto has now switched to that as well, and Luca's reaction implied that his close friends say his name that way.

KrayZ33

Mon, 06-02-2008, 04:34 AM

It doesn't make sense for Zero to have developed the variable fighters for any purpose but that.
.

Well I'm just quoting Wikipedia here but it says

"In the original series, the reason behind the development of the variable fighters' Battroid mode was the discovery of the existence of the Zentradi race, giant humanoid aliens genetically engineered for military conquest. Although at the time the humans hadn't met any actual Zentradi, the discovery of the SDF-1 Macross and its accommodations for humanoid giants justified the development of a weapon that could enable mankind to fight the aliens on their own environment (Battroid mode), on the ground (Gerwalk mode), and the air (Fighter mode). Thus, research into Overtechnology culminated in the development of the variable fighters for the U.N. Spacy."

well, there is nothing else to say about that.
I think the plane Shin pilots was only produced 40 or 50 times, so it isn't much more than a prototype of the VF... they are probably the first to test in combat.

And at least the U.N. forces had a reason to develop the VF-0
because of the SV-51 variable fighter of the anti-u.n. forces.

those machines brought in a new kind of aerial combat (clearly superior to the f-14 shin used at the beginning before he was shot down) and thus there was the need for a fighting plane similiar to those.

GurrenLagann

Mon, 06-02-2008, 07:43 AM

I wonder if we will see the Purple 1 pilot anymore on Frontier. After all, they now have video footage of the mecha, so he shouldn't be able to get anywhere near it without being shot at. I can't imagine they would let a recognized enemy to get near, least of all dock. Perhaps he will keep his fighter somewhere else and just travel there by using a common shuttle.
VF27 has a stealth system far more advance than anything Frontier can detect

ow do you figure zero is the start of macross did you watch the original macross?

so lets say that zero was the start why in the original do they say the world was basicaly in a slump then bam this shit (the macross) drops outta the sky and the world comes togeather to study it further more after reserching the Macross it was learned that there was a possibility of a race of giants wich is why VFs were created in the first place.

if zero is the start why did they have VFs and why did the enemy have them and why wear there no mention of zentradie ect ect it seems pretty clear to me without having to think about it that Macross was the start and zero was just a side story (OAV)

Macross Zero Doesnt take place in 1999 it takes place about 10 years later 2008 The Zentran ship already fell on earth, the Nuke Shinn saw when he was a kid was the Zentran ship falling on earth, this started the UN wars, the prototype VF-0 are supposed to be the first VF ever but Overtechnology got leaked leading to the development of the SV-51 by the Anti-UN faction, the roll out the SV-51 Faster than the UN thought, the UN counters with the VF0 given to Shinn and co. one year later, the original Macross Takes place 2009. It all fits in...

What amazes me is that that Pink Fighter looses a leg and possibly a full arm (or at least shoulder) and is still able to transform back from mecha to plane and speed away from the fight as if it was nothing.

The other strange thing is that Alto is able to be on a higher level than him when it seems his fighting suit is so superior. You could say it was a way of buying time and occupy Alto and Michel so that the mission is completed: Klan, Alto and Michel do not get anything from that ship.

Brera, the pilot of the VF27 got too cocky thats why he got his ass handed down to him

Kraco

Mon, 06-02-2008, 03:06 PM

VF27 has a stealth system far more advance than anything Frontier can detect

I thought this Frontier series was placed farthest in the future of the Macrosses. But then again, the only other Macross I've seen is Zero, so I don't really know anything.

KrayZ33

Mon, 06-02-2008, 04:51 PM

I thought this Frontier series was placed farthest in the future of the Macrosses. But then again, the only other Macross I've seen is Zero, so I don't really know anything.

It's the second farthest of Macross...the OAV-series SDF-Macross II plays ~ 2080 (?)

but I don't know where he got that information, because its the first time I've seen the VF27

David75

Mon, 06-02-2008, 04:56 PM

Beware of spoilers.
For series with low interrest, spoilers are a minor problem.
When you're totally into a show, be warned that a spoiler can ruin it all...

GurrenLagann

Mon, 06-02-2008, 08:15 PM

Ehh there haven't been any spoilers for Frontier thou if thats what you mean.

shinta|hikari

Mon, 06-02-2008, 09:18 PM

That is why he said "beware".

Ryllharu

Tue, 06-03-2008, 06:20 PM

The first soundtrack is out.

[Nipponsei] Macross Frontier Original Soundtrack - Nyan Furo [320 kbps / mp3] (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20Macross%20Frontier%20Original%20 Soundtrack%20-%20Nyan%20Furo.zip.torrent)

or for the audiophiles out there:
[LonE]_Various_Artists_-_Macross_Frontier_O.S.T._1_Nyan_Furo ._[w_scans]_(FLAC) (Lossless obviously) (http://losslessone.fansub-torrents.com/%5BLonE%5D_Various_Artists_-_Macross_Frontier_O.S.T._1_Nyan_Furo._%5Bw_scans%5 D_%28FLAC%29.rar.torrent)

Contains the OP, the two songs from May'n (Sheryl) already released, and all the insert songs up to this point, though most are not in both versions, i.e. Infinity is a version with just May'n, not the May'n and Nakajima Ai (Ranka) version where they both sang at the concert.

And plenty of excellent Youko Kanno instrumental tracks.

shinta|hikari

Wed, 06-04-2008, 01:29 AM

Thank you.

Buffalobiian

Wed, 06-04-2008, 08:08 AM

Awesome OST. I didn't notice it when I was listening to it, but they made it so song 2-4 flowed on like a concert.

Inazuma

Wed, 06-04-2008, 01:56 PM

I mean ... It's Yoko Kanno, if Soundtracks were divine tablets, he would be the god.
(See- Cowboy Bebop OSTs)

David75

Wed, 06-04-2008, 02:59 PM

Argh, it's been a long time since I've been waiting so eagerly for my dose.
I can't really define why, because except for klan, nothing is really appealing for me in that show.

Sometimes you don't even have to understand, feelings aren't reasonable...

Ryllharu

Wed, 06-04-2008, 03:28 PM

I mean ... It's Yoko Kanno, if Soundtracks were divine tablets, he would be the god.
(See- Cowboy Bebop OSTs)
She (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=734), you mean.

While I do think she has quite a few peers with an equal amount of talent (though perhaps not the creative range... looking at you Yuki Kajiura (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=3914), excellent but all sound kinda the same) Yoko Kanno is by far one of the most amazing contemporary composers worldwide. She's able to go from jazz to classical to Eurasian techno and back.

KrayZ33

Wed, 06-04-2008, 05:38 PM

why are those files so extremely big? I've never seen "free lossless audio codec files" before

whats the difference? I can't see (hear) the slightest change in quality, do my ears fail me?

shinta|hikari

Wed, 06-04-2008, 11:47 PM

Its for audiophiles who have perfect pitch or something :)

Seriously, I think it has very little variation, and is only for those who have superb sound systems.

GurrenLagann

Thu, 06-05-2008, 10:45 AM

The songs are amazing, love Yoko Kanno's work, always impresses me. Can't wait to see what new songs Yoko will make as the series goes on.

TheBladeChild

Fri, 06-06-2008, 04:43 AM

Heres episode 10:
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=21641

Buffalobiian

Fri, 06-06-2008, 05:24 AM

Damn, where are those Gattai HDs?

Inazuma

Fri, 06-06-2008, 06:16 PM

Amazing depth and brindging to MZ.

Ryllharu

Fri, 06-06-2008, 09:59 PM

Interesting.

So Brera is being used by the blue-haired "man" too (who may or may not actually be Sheryl's manager Grace), and I wonder what Sheryl's earrings have to do with whatever they want. That gem was certainly part of the one Alto lost in space, probably recovered by Brera.

For now, I'll speculate that with Brera's amnesia, he is probably a blood relative to Ranka.

The rest of the episode had lots of cute and funny moments, from Sheryl's regular antics toying with Alto, the jumbly-titted Miss Macross being blatantly ignored (plus she's voiced by Rie Tanaka of Gundam SEED fame), to Alto's own deliberate denial of his own past accomplishments.

EDIT: I loved the shocked and slightly happy look on Nanase's face in the theater when Ranka is kissing Alto on screen. A fangirl at her best (of Ranka x Alto).

Buffalobiian

Sat, 06-07-2008, 03:57 AM

[gg] Macros Frontier - 10 (http://xabin.mine.nu/gg/%5bgg%5d_Macross_Frontier_-_10_%5b18B75D4F%5d.mkv.torrent)

Ryllharu

Sat, 06-07-2008, 08:33 PM

Some of this is a rehash, some of it new based off this episode, but I think this is where the little triangle stands now.

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I’ve really been enjoying the two heroines passing Alto back and forth honestly.

But I’m still rooting for the Sheryl x Alto ending. Ranka’s role in all this is to become a burgeoning superstar, like Minmay (even comes from a Chinese restaurant), and influence the fight like Minmay, since every vajra in the galaxy is attracted to Ranka…
And maybe we’ll even see her singing of “Aimo” save Alto from a near death situation like Myung did to Isamu in Plus and Mao did to Shin in Zero.

In Sheryl’s development, we get to see the more natural side to her. One that it should be very clear from her playtime at the mall and various other alone time with Alto that she only shows him. In front of her fans, Sheryl has to be The Galactic Fairy, but when she’s with Alto she can be herself. Manipulative, toying, playful wonderful tsundere bitch that she is.

And from that standpoint, we can see why she would open up to Alto. Just like everyone else at the filming, Sheryl has known *exactly* who Alto is from long before. She knows he’s a famous kabuki actor. Sheryl also understands that he ran away from show business to do what he really wants, flying, and understands that completely. Being similar people, Sheryl loves to sing, but with Alto, she can really be herself and the two both understand.

And it’s not like Sheryl and Ranka are all that competitive. Sheryl has helped Ranka gain her own popularity and career with helpful advice. She lets Ranka earn her own place, rather than saying “I’m Sheryl and this is Ranka Lee, everyone love her too!” Sheryl wants Ranka to realize how important singing is to the both of them, and rise on her own…with a little bit of encouragement here and there.

If Ranka keeps to the sidelines and loses Alto to Sheryl that way, it’s her own fault. She simply realized it later than Sheryl, who liked to toy with Alto right away.

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But we have people on the other side of the argument that say Alto gets a lot more embarrassed around Ranka, lots of blushing all around, never really knows what to say to her, etc, and that proves that Ranka should be the one he ends up with.

I cannot see it reduced to something so simple. It's true that Alto really doesn't have a clue how to relate to Ranka, and he is very aware of her. I believe that exact same reason is why Sheryl is not only very much a contender, but the eventual victor. Alto is clearly very comfortable around Sheryl, and he lashes out at her constantly. She is able to break through the bubble he places around himself, and really get under his skin. I think this is because Alto is very unaware of Sheryl. It's part of the reason she seems to like him. He doesn't see her as anyone other than who she is.

But the ways that Sheryl plays with Alto, he never views her in any serious way. In this episode, he blushes a great deal even thinking about kissing Ranka, but after Sheryl plays her earlier kiss off as a joke, Alto remains relaxed. Sheryl is just going through the tsundere motions as I mentioned above, but it will come down to her either discovering she really does like Alto (which she may already from the concert where she cried before singing "Infinity" with Ranka), or Alto finally seeing through her bullshit and coming to the conclusion she has not been stringing him along all of the times.

Darknodin

Sun, 06-08-2008, 07:29 AM

I just want to state that last week's discussion got me to watch Zero in its entirety (i had only seen the first three eps prior), something i finished doing yesterday.
That made this episode just awesome. one of my favourites so far (maybe because for me it was a 3 hour ep with an epilogue far in the future?).
but damn! they had money to make this movie? a full size Birdman head!? commandeering VF-25s to then use CGI to make VF-0s? in WAR time!???
other weird things to note... why do they have griffins? (experiment gone wrong... or right?) and Sheryl's assistant as a man... also, no mention of the Nome name while there is a mention of some sort of connection between Ranka and Mao...

so many questions!

Ryllharu

Sun, 06-08-2008, 07:52 AM

The chimera (as they were calling it) are more common than this episode made it out to seem.

One of the Zentradi has one sitting on its lap like a cat in the mall episode (eps 5, 13:34).

Darknodin

Sun, 06-08-2008, 01:24 PM

The chimera (as they were calling it) are more common than this episode made it out to seem.

One of the Zentradi has one sitting on its lap like a cat in the mall episode (eps 5, 13:34).

I don't really doubt that since Ranka seemed to be more surprised at the fact that it attacked her than at the fact that it existed.

just where do they come from? Zentradi? Humans? (and more importantly... where can I get one!)

KrayZ33

Sun, 06-08-2008, 06:48 PM

Wow

great episode, it felt actually very good to see these Macross Zero scenes again.. not only that, the animation quality of this episode was back to normal again (if not even better! god the characters were really well animated this time! If this is what happens when there is an "actionless", ok there *was* some action in it actually, episode, then I don't mind. )
the fight against the hydra was funny :) looked like it was taken out of a naruto movie, which isn't a bad thing btw.

Ranka looked more like an adult in her white dress now... not like the little child she resembled before which will make the love-story more interesting for me now..
but well, she will never reach sheryls attractivity in my opinion ^.^, sheryl looks way too sexy compared to her, hehe

@ryllharu

I think the whole "Alto is blushing a lot"-thingy has nothing to do with everything... tell me who wouldn't be embarrassed if he had to kiss one of his (girl)friends. The whole situation itself was a bit embarrassing so its just natural to blush there :P and lets not forget that he blushed about that kiss scene even befeore he knew who was playing as Mao
And in fact, I've rarely seen Alto blushing around Ranka... when he is around Sheryl however, it seems to happen very often.
Thanks to the whole "earring" story, Sheryl has the advantage in the "war of alto's love" and I hope it will end with Sheryl x Alto... or at least with an open love story...

I won't accept Ranka! Never! at least not in her "condition", she simply doesn't "deserve" his love yet... she did nearly nothing for it, and Alto doesn't show any special affection towards her. In my opinion Alto sees her as a very good friend... much like Michael etc. someone he can hang out with even though he doesn't know much about her, or maybe he sees her as something like his little sister? But definitively it's not love at the moment.

I saw "love" in his eyes when he tried to give Sheryl's earring back, or when she always looked at it and probably thought about her while flying his VF. This didn't happen in one scene with Ranka yet...
and there was this stuff at the school too when Sheryl + Alto were flying towards the setting sun.

Wow its actually pretty suprising that this episode was as entertaining, if not even better, than all those action episodes. I did like it very much, no complaints on my side... a perfect episode

and btw I wanted to write some other thing about Sheryl+Alto... but I forgot it while writing this extremely long post... *gnaaaahhh*
damn, I'm pretty sure it was very important

Yukimura

Sun, 06-08-2008, 11:39 PM

There is only Sheryl x Alto. Ranka can romance Purpule-kun until it's revealed that he's her brother (likely after at a kiss) then Ranka will resolve herself to not worry about love and focus on her career. At the same time Sheryl will realize being in the limelight all the time gets in the way of just being Sheryl and she'll become Alto's gf and slide her way out of the business to be more free and just sing whenever she feels like it, like in the middle of Zentradi malls.

Also, I think someone might have to die. I have no idea if there's a precedent for death in Macross series, but I feel like the Michel-Klan situation can only get resolved with a death and I also think Ranka might grow in a more interesting way if her brother was to kick it. Even if deaths aren't normal in Macross and none of these things can happen the show can still take us plenty of interesting places and I look forward to the ride.

Kraco

Mon, 06-09-2008, 04:05 AM

I won't accept Ranka! Never! at least not in her "condition", she simply doesn't "deserve" his love yet... she did nearly nothing for it...

As opposed to Sheryl who uses Alto as a plaything to relieve stress after work? When during all the scenes between Alto and Sheryl has Sheryl even once stopped to consider what Alto might be thinking, wishing, or wanting? Sheryl isn't herself, free of the star behavior in Alto's company. Quite the contrary: She sheds the forced positive behavior patterns that are expected of a public figure and does whatever she wants 100% selfishly, like a spoiled kid.

I think it's pretty interesting Alto accepts all that. I deem it tells of his upbringing and what kind of household he lived in. Since his parents were in such an old-fashioned business, it's reasonable to assume the code of conduct back at his home could have been quite formal and strict. Despite the fact he rebelled and left, he still slides back to being subservient when Sheryl with her strong personality comes to dominate him. But if that in the long run helps him to sort out and come to terms with his past, I guess it's all good.

Ranka is just an ordinary girl with issues of self-consciousness and nervousness, multiplied by the fact she has to compare herself to a superstar like Sheryl. It's quite unreasonable to expect her to march forward as bravely as Sheryl, and then when she can't, say she doesn't deserve Alto.

Well, I don't anymore have such issues accepting Sheryl. If she became a bit less of a self-centered bitch I might even begin to like her in Alto's company.

David75

Mon, 06-09-2008, 04:11 AM

I see sheryl like a grand kid.
When she was bitching in first ep about alto and his partners, it really was because she was exhausted as her assistant suggested the scene before.

Sheryl is a little more on the adult side, compared to Ranka, probably because she's older and faces a professionnal life everyday. But when freed from chores, she's just a playful child and only acts as such with Alto. That doesn't mean she'd win in the end, because her behavior could be one of a sister or cousin if you take the kiss part into account.

Ranka is still a shy child, she isn't on the way to becoming a woman, it's way too early for her to go past a secret love for Alto.

MFauli

Mon, 06-09-2008, 05:50 PM

If Alto choses fugly, bitchy Sherly over beautfiul, sweet Ranka, i´ll lose faith in anime script writing!

Nothing more to so :P

Psyke

Thu, 06-12-2008, 07:24 AM

I honestly thought I downloaded an episode of Zero by mistake when I first saw the opening scene. :p

Yukimura

Thu, 06-12-2008, 11:42 AM

Sheryl doesn't seem 'bitchy' to me, she just seems to be very selfish and playful whenever it suits her. The reason I don't categorize it as bitchiness is because being selfish isn't all there is to her personality. When it comes to providing for her fans or when she's in a sticky situation she doesn't back down of fall apart and cower under the pressure, demanding that someone else come and save her while she hides. Instead she actively attacks the problem herself and tries to get it solved no matter what the costs to her are.

Of course, this generally leads to her needing to be saved necessitating a boyfriend figure like Alto to be around. I can respect someone who goes overboard while attempting to solve a problem and then needs to be saved from themselves a lot more than someone cowering in a fear of a problem and demanding someone else save them from it.

Ranka is cute and she seems to be headed down the path towards where Sheryl is already, but she's not there yet. On the surface Alto doesn't seem to have much in the emotional needs department so there's not that much of a problem with him following around Sheryl and cleaning up after her. However, he has some deeper issues that I don't think Ranka's bright-eyed optimism approach would be well suited to addressing were he to turn to her for support. Plus while both have strong merits I think I would have more fun getting into trouble with Sheryl than babysitting Ranka and her insecurities.

EDIT @ Below: She's taken time on more than on occasion to offer a helping hand to Ranka when she could have just as easily run after a random shiny object instead. Sheryl is capable of being nice and even supportive when she wants to be. The issue is getting her to want to be, which depends on what develops between her and Alto.

Kraco

Thu, 06-12-2008, 12:26 PM

However, he has some deeper issues that I don't think Ranka's bright-eyed optimism approach would be well suited to addressing were he to turn to her for support.

That's probably true, but on the other hand Sheryl has no time for somebody else's problems. Maybe if Sheryl changes her thinking and starts to consider Alto not a plaything but a possible partner, then it could happen. But being such a big star in the show business, I'm far from sure she could do that even if she wanted.

Ryllharu

Sat, 06-14-2008, 09:31 AM

I recently acquired the dvds of the original SDF-1 series, and it even makes my eyes bleed at times. Although one has to be impressed when the animators can use exactly three frames (and I do not mean looped) to animate a Valkyrie walking down a hallway.

In any case, I have regained some of the insight I once had in the series and a chance to fill in all of the gaps. Quite the refresher at only episode 11. By episode 21, you can pull a lot of comparisons between the relationships in SDF, and the slowly developing ones in Frontier. The enjoyment of Frontier goes up quite a bit as well, just being able to catch all the homages.

For instance, the entire bridge crew of the Quarter, from right to left into the bridge.
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8859/zmacrossbridgeua6.th.png (http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zmacrossbridgeua6.png)
The captains look identical, though Frontier's Capt. Glass has a scar, no other discernible differences. Cathy Glass is of course modeled directly after Misa Hayase, from the vaguely wavy hair (compared to Hayase's end of her hair cinnamon buns) on through their personalities of being by-the-book and a total tsundere. In SDF-1, a very forward and open black helmswoman becomes an extremely effeminate black male in Frontier. Same afro, same personality.

Even the operators each take up one aspect.
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4418/snapshot20080428150539dr3.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20080428150539dr3.jpg)
In Frontier, one is very cutesy (left), just like in SDF-1, one is a bit more serious but jokes around a lot (right) and has short hair, just like in SDF-1. The one in the middle is a special case. Why do her eyes look like that? Her appearance is in fact an homage to the art style of the original 1983 SDF-1 series. She has very simplified features, but what stands out the most are her half-lidded eyes, in the style of 70s and 80s shoujo characters, which the art of the original series carries. Whenever any character in SDF smiles, their eyes look exactly the same way.

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Where I am going with all this:

Just a little insight for everyone into the original series before I get to my real point.

It's really easy to compare Ranka to Minmay when you don't remember the story all that well. Both rising idols, etc etc. But that simplification couldn't be more wrong. In fact, you'd need to combine Sheryl and Ranka to even get close to a similarity between the two heroines of Frontier and Minmay.

I would not even hesitate to say that Sheryl is Minmay's exact opposite in personality. While it is true that both come off very fickle and selfish (more than enough reason to despise Minmay), Sheryl works in the opposite ways that Minmay did.

That's probably true, but on the other hand Sheryl has no time for somebody else's problems. Maybe if Sheryl changes her thinking and starts to consider Alto not a plaything but a possible partner, then it could happen. But being such a big star in the show business, I'm far from sure she could do that even if she wanted.
If anything, Sheryl's behavior is almost a response to Minmay's. Minmay treats Hikaru like a rainy-day plaything. She's very quick to abandon him when things are good, and only seems to go back to him when she's feeling down, lonely, or some other desperate situation. Much like Sheryl, when Minmay said "jump," she expected Hikaru to do so.

The difference lies in Sheryl's patterns. Sheryl spends her best times with Alto. When she starts to feel sad, she expresses it on stage...or alone until Alto or someone else approaches her. Minmay may be one of the biggest teases in anime earlier on in SDF, and while Sheryl seems that way, she focuses her entire attentions on Alto alone. Rather than a "rainy day boytoy," Alto is the only thing that ever interests Sheryl (other than encouraging Ranka). We saw how quickly she snubbed the current Miss Macross, and the other stars of the film. Sheryl has made new friends aboard the Frontier Fleet, and she keeps them incredibly close.

So that's why I think that Sheryl very much takes the time for others' problems, at the least the ones that concern her personal affairs. With all her work, she should not really have any time to spare, but she spends whatever free time she does have with Alto or Ranka, and now she is able to include a larger group with Alto and Ranka's friends at the school. Sheryl also specially requests Alto to be her escort, much to his continued dismay, in order to keep him close to her.

She's very aware of all of it. Perhaps her feelings are still subconscious, but Sheryl shows very deliberate efforts to keep what makes her the happiest around her.

So where does Ranka fit into all of this? Ranka too is like a early Minmay. Her budding career is quite obviously pulling her away from Alto, but fortunately, she is recognizing it this early, unlike Minmay ever did. It's well too soon to say whether Ranka will be forced to choose Alto or singing, but Ranka will benefit from realizing this a little sooner.

Ranka's connection with Brera (whatever it may be) is similar to Minmay's relationship with her cousin a little.
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I'm thinking Sheryl has the upper hand overall since she already knows what she wants (to keep things and people she likes close to her) and leaving open the possibility for her to recognize her own affections for Alto as a partner rather than a plaything.

Darknodin

Fri, 06-20-2008, 08:35 PM

no one posted this...

Episode 11
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=23277

the sub is pretty bad... but the episode is good as always. its really rare in a show with such over the top battle scenes, that i find myself enjoying the non battle eps as much as the action ones.

Buffalobiian

Fri, 06-20-2008, 08:50 PM

Macross Frontier - 11 gg Fansubs (http://ggkthx.org/Torrents/%5Bgg%5D_Macross_Frontier_-_11_%5B9888F948%5D.mkv.torrent)

I'm still a few eps behind, waiting for HD releases....but here you go.

Ryllharu

Sat, 06-21-2008, 05:27 AM

So according to the phone call, they are sending Sheryl and Alto into a trap. Makes me wonder if Grace and the other asshole are trying to steal Sheryl's other earring, but if they really wanted it, Grace could just take it.

I liked how jealous Cathy was getting when they were talking about Ranka being successful. If Asshole is just using her, I wonder if this will end with Asshole and Grace on one side and Cathy, Ozma and the rest of the SMS on the other. Here's hoping for a Cathy x Ozma reunion ending.

But the bigger question right now is all about the love triangle. Now that Ranka knows that she has "lost" this early into the series, what is she going to do about it now? There is plenty of time for her to turn this around, unlike Minmay. Or will Sheryl close the deal? In addition, we have the other Kabuki actor telling Alto that he is lying to himself. Will that affect the relationships in any way? Alto's drive is similar to Sheryl's (which is why she's stubborn enough to stay in the pilot program even though it started as a publicity stunt). If Alto wavers and goes back to merely what he's "born to do" will Sheryl like him the same way?

In any case, it seems like Sheryl is getting close to genuinely loving Alto. Will she admit her feelings before Ranka?

In the Macross tradition, it's never the one who "acts first, loses" or "meets first, loses." It's all a simple matter of whomever confesses first, wins.

EDIT: The enemy commander had better not be named Kamjin. He can be descended from him for all I care, but it better not be him.

KrayZ33

Sat, 06-21-2008, 07:05 AM

I'm looking towards to the next episode... some nice fighting scenes in the preview.

Alto truely loves flying, I don't think he will go back to acting, only if he is forced to somehow.

but even if he is... sheryl + ranka will tell him that he should do that what he believes him and that is flying.
The only reason for Alto following Sheryl seems to be that he can fly during that mission btw... I don't think he chose Sheryl because he likes her more than Ranka. (at least not at this point).

When Sheryl told him that he could fly endlessy on that planet, Alto's heart grew wider, which is the reason why he chose the mission over ranka

so for him: Flying > everything else ^^

Ryllharu

Sat, 06-21-2008, 07:18 AM

I don't know about that. Part of the reason his "brother" had such a profound effect on Alto was because he's unsure. They mentioned it, and Alto had the corresponding flashback of how easily he slipped back into acting during the movie. The line about him only playing the role of an actor-wannabe-pilot hit him really hard.

Alto has self doubts about it. He's not sure if that is a lie or not. I'm sure the "brother" said it in an attempt to make Alto doubt, but Alto used to think highly enough of his acting ability that the very real possibility exists (and does do elaborate poses when defeating enemies).

On the other hand, they showed the flashback of how happy he was throwing the paper airplane when he was young.

I think that Alto doesn't want to choose. It's pretty obvious he still enjoys acting as much as he loves flying. He chose to go with Sheryl because he is trying to deny that he loves acting. The accusation that he's just playing the role of a pilot forced his hand. I took the "brother's" refusal to talk about succession to Alto's father as proof that he only called Alto out on it to make Alto doubt his love piloting enough to come back.

For both Sheryl and Ranka, right now anyway, singing is more important than anything else. That's why Sheryl is stubbornly going with a fever. For Alto, it's totally different.

Flying = Acting > everything else. He just doesn't want to admit it.

Buffalobiian

Sat, 06-21-2008, 08:25 PM

Can anyone comment on Lunar subs? They're releasing up-to-date HD, and I got tired waiting for Gattai.

KrayZ33

Sat, 06-21-2008, 08:39 PM

I don't know why you wait for HD anyways... theres no need for that, I watched Gattai's releases at first, there is no difference except one thing. Gattai's subs are worse.

especially the songs are poorly translated imho

are Gattai's really HD? Or just upscaled stuff...

btw gg releases are: # Display: 848x480 (7-10), 1280x720 (11+)

http://ggkthx.org/macf-hd-ni-naru1.jpg
http://ggkthx.org/macf-hd-ni-naru4.jpg
http://ggkthx.org/macf-hd-ni-naru2.jpg

so, just go with GG now ^^
I don't think that Gattai's are better animation wise (episode 11+)... and [gg] make the best subs in my opinion

weren't Gattai the one who translated "point" as " . " in a song?

Yukimura

Sat, 06-21-2008, 09:12 PM

I was under the impression Gattai decided to stop subbing so it's either Lunar or GG if you want to watch Macross ~weekly. Anime-in-Action & Infinite-Zero or Shinsen if you like waiting a week to a week and a half, and the group of 3 if you like waiting several weeks between episodes. Oh and Chihiro if you like watching crap every week.

I have been watching both Lunar and GG depending on who comes out first and haven't really felt bad about either. I wasn't paying much attention to the presence of any karaoke during the songs though so I can't speak to it's quality.

Kraco

Sun, 06-22-2008, 05:50 AM

Lunar is fine. I've been watching them ever since I grew bored of waiting for the three party collaboration effort.

I think the "brother" was just talking shit, mainly. I don't know why he doesn't want to inherit, but it's complete bs Alto wouldn't want to really be a pilot. Maybe there's some shared freedom in flying and being able to be somebody, whoever, else in acting, but there's also the factor Alto obviously was acting for a long time and the scene in this episode showed how harsh a school and upbringing he endured. It's no wonder if he learned to act very well and thus can easily act some stunt role if needed, without any hesitation, whether he really wanted or not.

In the end it's not like people have one fated profession they can only be good at and interested in. Alto is obviously a pretty gifted dude so chances are he could do a good number of things very well, but what he inherently wants to do is something where he can feel free, which could be a result of having a very unfree childhood. In any case, like was said already, the one scene alone where he was flying the paper plane as a kid proves the "brother's" speech was full of propaganda.