Naruto Chapter 382 [Archive]

Abdula

Thu, 12-13-2007, 04:29 PM

I never thought Jiraiya's life would end like that, it can't be something else must happen. I had no idea Jiraiya was like that, he is about to die and the only thing that is going through his head is how much of a failure he was. I was expecting something along the lines of I did my best and what not but Wow. I never pictured him as a pessimist.

Jiraiya didn't really get owned, he may have lost but he put up one hell of a fight. There really wasn't much he could do, he tried his best but nothing he did seemed to have affected Pein whatsoever and there is no way you can defeat an opponent who is un-fazed by your best techniques. I guess what that rain-nin said in the beginning was true Pein is just on another level.

joker-kun

Thu, 12-13-2007, 08:28 PM

IF (and that's a large if at this point) that translation is legit it looks like I was at least partially right about Naruto playing a large role in taking down Pain or the Akatsuki.

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ナルト“予言の子”は間違いなくお前だ
No mistake about it, Naruto. You are the "Child of Prophecy"

…あとは全て託すぞ
...I'll leave the rest to you
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I want to cry:( The sight of Jiraiya with blood coming from his mouth is shitty...

I still wan't to know Pain's real identity though that he has supposedly figured out in the last chapter. Hopefully he can spit that out, and I hope his body doesn't get taken over by Pain, but for some reason I have a feeling it's going to...

Idealistic

Thu, 12-13-2007, 08:58 PM

Man... Jiraiya's story is so sad. :( :( :(

I think... Naruto is going to unleash a lot of the kyuubi's power when he fights Pain... Like 5-6 tails?!?! He's going to go berserk.. Nobody will stop him! It'll be too dangerous to get near him.... All that rage he'll have vs him knowing that Pain is the one who killed Jiraiya.

Idealistic

Thu, 12-13-2007, 08:58 PM

Sorry about the double post. It snowed today and it's cold and my fingers are shaky and I clicked post twice.

Abdula

Thu, 12-13-2007, 10:39 PM

Damn right its cold. I seriously hope that Pein doesn't take over Jiraiya's body its just not something I want to see, not to mention that if Jiraiya is one of his bodies that would make him significantly stronger but we don't know anything about Pein or his jutsus yet. I don't know about going 5-6 tails he seriously doesn't need anymore power at this point he already has more than enough, what he needs is control.

Besides we already saw the effect that using so much of the Kyuubi's power has on his body. I don't think he would be able to handle that much and even if he does all someone has to do is escape until his berserker mode is over and after that he is completely helpless. So a 'strategy' like that shouldn't work on someone/something like Pein because he already has multiple bodies and he is some how able to "revive dead ones". Its way too early for anyone to be thinking about a Pein vs Naruto battle because at this point that wouldn't even last all of two minutes but I just wanted to add my two cents.

Really something else needs to happen Jiraiya really shouldn't have to go out like this. Although I'm the one that has been saying that he should die since this arc began but I didn't expect it to be like this. I'm getting horrible Orochimaru flashbacks.

joker-kun

Thu, 12-13-2007, 10:59 PM

Damn right its cold. I seriously hope that Pein doesn't take over Jiraiya's body its just not something I want to see, not to mention that if Jiraiya is one of his bodies that would make him significantly stronger but we don't know anything about Pein or his jutsus yet. I don't know about going 5-6 tails he seriously doesn't need anymore power at this point he already has more than enough, what he needs is control.

Really something else needs to happen Jiraiya really shouldn't have to go out like this. Although I'm the one that has been saying that he should die since this arc began but I didn't expect it to be like this. I'm getting horrible Orochimaru flashbacks.

The bolded part I agree with completely. For Naruto to grow now he needs control and technique. He already has the power. Hopefully this whole "key" thing that the frog is giving him will help in some way.

I also agree that Jiraiya should go out with one last bang. Whether it is an attack, or he identifies who Pain is and gives his frog buddy something to do while he holds them off. If he just dies after saying "Naruto is the chosen one, I'll leave the rest to you" I will be a tad disappointed.

Abdula

Thu, 12-13-2007, 11:06 PM

Yeah control and technique add that with some strategy a lot more knowledge and some "fundamentals" and Naruto would be a complete ninja. That being said I don't think its ever going to happen.

Necromas

Fri, 12-14-2007, 12:10 AM

Don't post spoiler pics right inside the thread we have to search through for scan links please, just link em, it's bad enough that we have to avoid text with spoilers in it.

RyougaZell

Fri, 12-14-2007, 01:09 AM

I liked Naruto's mom design.

And wow at Jiraiya's monologue...

LaZie

Fri, 12-14-2007, 04:46 PM

Out by MangaShare (http://f1.mangashare.com/Naruto_382%5BMS%5D.zip)

Koyuki

Fri, 12-14-2007, 04:47 PM

Scanlation by MS DDL (http://f1.mangashare.com/Naruto_382[MS].zip)

For those who prefere Helzone Rapidshare (http://rapidshare.com/files/76600683/Naruto_382-ENG.rar)

@Lazie you beat me my 10 sec or something...

The last 20 chapters have been really great. Especially this one, but too bad Jiraya is gone.

Yukimura

Fri, 12-14-2007, 05:08 PM

Poor Jiraiya, he put up an awesome fight, and it took 6 people to kill him and even then he killed 4 of them (Resurrection Hax doesn't change the fact that he managed to kill them first). I assume he wrote Peins identity on Pa's back and if it wasn't Nagato I can't imagine it's anyone we've already heard of yet so I guess Tsunade or someone will be giving us some backstory on yet another old villian after the Tobi v Naruto et. al. tussle concludes.

Random comment: Kushina looks like a nun in that outfit.

Abdula

Fri, 12-14-2007, 06:02 PM

Well that answers the question of who the destined child is and why Jiraiya had to travel the world and write a book. This was a really impressive chapter, the manga has really transformed itself from what it was in the beginning. So we finally get to see Naruto's family and Jiraiya was his god father and named him on top of that. I never would've imagined that and I have no idea how he some how managed to forget. I wonder how the story in his book ended.

Why hasn't anyone told Naruto any of this. I think if he knew that the fourth was his dad and Jiraiya was his god father his childhood may have been different or maybe he already knows. Anyway, I hope Naruto's character is going to get some major development soon because he has got some big shoes to fill. I just gotta say again how impressed I was while reading this chapter. I wonder what else Kishi is going to throw at us, oh right we have Tobi-Kakashi and Itachi-Sasuke coming up. I completely forgot all about that when I was reading this.

I really wonder what he wrote on the toads back besides who/what Pein is. He must have left some emotional message.

That last panel on the second page with Jiraiya lying prone with the five black blades sticking out of his back and the five Peins standing around him in black cloaks seemed really familiar to me. I could swear that I saw that exact scene somewhere else but I can't remember where. Anybody have any ideas?

-This chapter made me really angry not only because Jiraiya is dead or because of how he died but because of Naruto. I really expect more from someone who is the product of such great ninja and someone who supposedly has this great destiny to fulfill. He just doesn't have that aura around him.

Carnage

Fri, 12-14-2007, 06:13 PM

Wow....just wow....

This was definitely one of the best chapters of part 2. It had to be to get me to post in here.

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Fri, 12-14-2007, 06:19 PM

Assassin

Fri, 12-14-2007, 06:27 PM

i think thats where the whole 'journey the world and write a book" prophecy comes in...even though he wrote the original book, it seems like he felt that was insufficient.....thats the 'follows whats been said in the manga' explanation.

If you want a more realistic explanation, Kishi came up with this 2 weeks ago, so he had no idea it would turn out like this, or that jiraya would play such an important role 3 years later.

animus

Fri, 12-14-2007, 06:29 PM

A lot of people die in Naruto, I'm surprised to be honest. I forgot Asuma had died. God his death sucked, it had no impact whatsoever except for making Shikamaru go SSJ or something.

Eddie_Brock

Fri, 12-14-2007, 06:38 PM

amazing chapter, we all saw it coming but i was still hoping Jiraya would survive.
The last couple of chapters story wise was great and i have a feeling it's going to get much better. I thought it was funny what Jiraya said to Orichimaru that is not how many jutsus a ninja has. i automatically thought about that a lot of people complain that Naruto only has a couple of jutsus. ow and it was nice to see Naruto's mom

Abdula

Fri, 12-14-2007, 06:39 PM

I thought it was funny what Jiraya said to Orichimaru that is not how many jutsus a ninja has. i automatically thought about that a lot of people complain that Naruto only has a couple of jutsus.

Yeah, that was mentioned a very long time ago, well Naruto still doesn't have enough jutsu sure you don't have to know every single jutsu to be a great ninja but most of the great ninjas knew quite a few jutsus, certainly more than two. I didn't think that Jiraiya was still hung up on the not "saving" Orochimaru thing. I thought he had gotten over that.

A lot of people die in Naruto, I'm surprised to be honest. I forgot Asuma had died. God his death sucked, it had no impact whatsoever except for making Shikamaru go SSJ or something.

Yes his death did suck. After how ever many years it was of Kishi letting a great character like Asuma rot he finally pays him some much overdue attention and then he kills him off. That seriously pissed me off especially because Asuma's death really didn't do anything plot wise. Asuma could've simply been injured and then the story could have continued on with Shikamaru and the others looking for revenge for Asuma being injured. It would have turned out just as well and then Asuma would still be alive. I think Kishi did that just to prove that he could. Wait isn't Kurenai pregnant, I wonder if that is going to go anywhere or if its just going to fall into the background like so many other things have.

Death BOO Z

Fri, 12-14-2007, 08:05 PM

Asume died to play out a point, the point is that fighting the akatsuki isn't a child's game.
he got wasted becuase he was invloved in a serious fight, and it's about time that some charecters get wasted.
Asume was the first good charecter to die before his time (jiraya and the 3rd were old, and therefore, were sure to die sooner than later), unless he died, no one could accept Shikamaru beating Hidan. in fact, more charecters should die. a konoha ninja death for each akatsuki (or any mini-boss) defeat seems like a good ratio. but that won't happen.

for the chapter itself. at first, i though Jiraya was in the after world and was actually talking the 4th, and that the 4th (what's his name?) is saying that he didn't die a failture and stuff.
also, Kushina (naruto's mom) is quite good looking, but i don't get her outfit: the left hand seems sleeveless. while the right hand has a 'faric' feeling to it.

it's too bad that the mentor type charecters always kick the bucket before revealing the secret to the hero, I'm really curios about the fox seal from a few chapters back.

Assertn

Fri, 12-14-2007, 09:18 PM

Great chapter dont get me wrong, but it kinda makes me wonder that if Jiraya was so key in Naruto's life before he was born...then where was he after? I mean he knew his parents, practically named in and then left Naruto to fend for himself for so long? What is that? I hope that they explain that one.
Haha, I can see you asking something like that...

It's already been explained through his personality. He failed to protect the 3rd and 4th, he lost oro, he turned down the previous offer to become hokage, and he acknowledges himself as the "frog hermit." The guy never had the confidence to protect and nurture the lives of those he cared for.

Abdula

Fri, 12-14-2007, 10:44 PM

Assertn why are you bashing Jiraiya:(.

Asume was the first good charecter to die before his time (jiraya and the 3rd were old, and therefore, were sure to die sooner than later), unless he died, no one could accept Shikamaru beating Hidan. in fact, more charecters should die. a konoha ninja death for each akatsuki (or any mini-boss) defeat seems like a good ratio. but that won't happen.

for the chapter itself. at first, i though Jiraya was in the after world and was actually talking the 4th, and that the 4th (what's his name?) is saying that he didn't die a failture and stuff.

What is it with you and always wanting to see someone die. Frankly I don't expect to see very many "death" scenes in Naruto or perhaps I didn't before the time skip they seem to be happening fairly often now yet you don't seem to be satisfied. Anyway one thing you can be sure of is that there will be more:D .

Yes, apparently he did die and then he evidently willed himself back to life to send off that final message. Pein and Pa said as much, but I don't think he was talking to the fourth he was having an out of body experience similar to what Gaara had.

joker-kun

Sat, 12-15-2007, 02:15 AM

I also agree that Jiraiya should go out with one last bang. Whether it is an attack, or he identifies who Pain is and gives his frog buddy something to do while he holds them off. If he just dies after saying "Naruto is the chosen one, I'll leave the rest to you" I will be a tad disappointed.
My wish came true. I'm not quite sure if he wrote it on the frogs back or if it was some sort of memory transfer, either way i'm happy. Now we got to wait until the frog dude tells someone. I am guessing he will be telling the Frog Sage first since Jiraiya said he needs to know. Hopefully he'll pass on the news to Konoha as well (Maybe Naruto since his name is next on the frog scroll (after Jiraiya and Minato) so he has access to them, and I -think- the frog can pop out it he wants to for Naruto.). It was a nice added touch the whole "I'm not going to give up". It took away from Jiraiya's pessimistic outlook of his life and looked like he passed with a sense of 'honor' or whatever you would like to call it.

Assertn

Sat, 12-15-2007, 03:20 AM

Jiraiya has a queue of like, 3 different things that he sent back to Konoha.

It's interesting....but I can't think of a single time where a good guy's summon has ever been attacked by a human villain. They just....left pa there, even though he previously demonstrated relatively formidable power against them. Conversely, Oro's lost 3 snakes to Jiraiya and Sasuke, then Manda got stabbed in the mouth by Tsunade and then blasted by Deidara.

HachimonTonkou

Sat, 12-15-2007, 03:21 AM

what gets me is the frogs are really small, how exactly are they going to get the news to konoha without the enemy getting to them first? ninja frogs must have an amazing ability to hop great distances. ha

Assertn

Sat, 12-15-2007, 03:44 AM

Naruto_RNG

Sat, 12-15-2007, 11:05 AM

Nah man....same technique Sasuke used with Manda....
just summon/unsummon between dimensions.

In all honesty, I'm sure Jiraiya could've done that too instead of just walking right into the lion's den after defeating the summoner.

Assertn I think Kishi was very desprate when he made that jutsu(the summon/unsummon thing) and forgot about it in this fight. If that did thing was around before I'm sure every1 would used it by now.:D

symbol9991

Sat, 12-15-2007, 01:17 PM

WOW!!! My heart is broken because Jiraya was killed. He was a perv but beyond that he was so courageous and had such a big heart. I am sorely disappointed that he did not kick more ass as would be expected of a legendary Sannin but still overall this story line has really made the last few chapters with him up against Pein.

As always I am anxiously anticipating the next chapter....the fight between Itachi and Sasuke should be phenomenal (wonder if Sasuke is indeed strong enough to kill his older brother even after undergoing his metamorphosis with Orochimaru) and then the battle between Sasuke and Team Nartuto.....but ultimately the fight I am most anticipating now is the fight between Naruto and Pein. Who knows maybe even Lady Tsunade will leave her desk long of enough to help kick Pein's ass.

(((Goodbye Jiraya....we shall all miss u brave Shinobi)))

joker-kun

Sat, 12-15-2007, 01:26 PM

Assassin

Sat, 12-15-2007, 01:38 PM

The real question now is, who is going to fight pein? Are we gonna have to wait another 4 years until naruto becomes strong/competent enough to take him on on one, or will there be a collaboration effort from team 7 after the sasuke/itachi deal is done. Or is kishi gonna be a cheap ass and make naruto go SSJ Kyuubi x7 and give us another idiotic "everythign gets destroyed by naruto" fight.

Im hoping for the collaboration effort....it would be nice to see kakashi, naruto and sasuke working together to take down the akatsuki leader.

Assertn

Sat, 12-15-2007, 01:55 PM

Assertn I think Kishi was very desprate when he made that jutsu(the summon/unsummon thing) and forgot about it in this fight. If that did thing was around before I'm sure every1 would used it by now.:D
Human summons have been done before.....

For example.....the 5 other Pains showed up via summoning, and Iruka was summoned using those scrolls in the chuunin exam. I'm sure there's special conditions necessary to be able to pull it off, like in Sasuke's case, Suigetsu already had a summon scroll, and Karin could sense whether Sasuke was in Manda's dimension.

DB_Hunter

Sat, 12-15-2007, 01:56 PM

That actually seems like a good idea.

I think people like Itachi will play a part in Pein's/Tobi's downfall, but ultimatley the story shall end with Kakashi, Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura finishing everything off. The series begand with team 7, and will end with team 7.

I think now that Jiraiya is dying/dead, Tsunade will die soon as well. There is no point keeping only one of the Sanin around. It will probably end with Kakashi becoming Hokage, and Team 7 becoming the new generation of Sanin.

Idealistic

Sat, 12-15-2007, 06:52 PM

Im hoping for the collaboration effort....it would be nice to see kakashi, naruto and sasuke working together to take down the akatsuki leader.

What about Sakura?!!?!?!?!??1?1 You forgot her!! She is part of Team 7 too you know!

Naruto_RNG

Sat, 12-15-2007, 08:58 PM

Yeah cause all writers forget the stories they write...

oh u'll be surprised, some do.:)

Man I can't wait to c the chapter that Naruto find out about J-man's death. I personally hope Kishi sacrificed J-man so he could avert Naruto's attention from sasuke to akatsuki mainly pein for the time being. While using J-man's body as pein new collection somehow put Naruto into an array of emotional stress thus pushing him into whole new lvl. We've seen this before for ex: Naruto vs Haku, Naruto vs Garaa. Granted in those fights one of his friends were in danger but same sort of feeling applies to J-man even if he has become the enemy. That being said I wonder if pein will add J-man to his collection?

Abdula

Sat, 12-15-2007, 11:17 PM

I think now that Jiraiya is dying/dead, Tsunade will die soon as well. There is no point keeping only one of the Sanin around. It will probably end with Kakashi becoming Hokage, and Team 7 becoming the new generation of Sanin.

Yes there is a point in keeping her around she is the hokage. I don't think Kakashi is ready or would ever want to be the hokae, I think Tsunade will remain the hokage for quite some time. The next one should most likely be Naruto. The third was hokage until he was in his 70s, I think maybe his late sixties either way Tsunade definitely has 10 or 15 more years left in her and by that time Naruto should be ready.He probably only needs 5 more years at most at the rate he is growing. I don't think Kishi would kill off another Hokage, it really wouldn't look good if another hokage was killed three years after the third was and I don't think Tsunade would go after Pein she doesn't seem to be a vengeful person.

There was a point in killing off Jiraiya though. It progressed the story a lot and his purpose was to keep Orochimaru in check. I saw someone ask earlier why Jiraiya had left the village earlier on and why he wasn't there when Naruto was younger and that was because he went after Oro when he left. He said that he was tracking and monitoring him all this time and come to think about it the only reason he returned to the village when he did was because of Oro. So now that Oro is gone and he had already trained Naruto there really wasn't anything else for him to do. He himself said that he was waiting to go out with a bang

DayoftheDante

Sun, 12-16-2007, 02:20 AM

Psyke

Sun, 12-16-2007, 04:30 AM

I had assumed that the whisker marks on Naruto's cheeks were a trait gained from the Kyuubi, but apparently he's had them since birth... So where the hell did they come from? Mom and Dad don't appear to have them.

Unless that person holding Naruto was Sarutobi, after the sealing.

I was thinking the same thing too, but realised that it's gotta be after the sealing..... It was good seeing Minato and Kushina though.

Vegechan

Sun, 12-16-2007, 06:09 AM

Amazing chapter. The past few have been great. And I know it's been mentioned already, but I definitely see Jiraiya being added to Pein's collection of bodies. It would just make the fight with Naruto all the more incredible.

Uberbaka

Sun, 12-16-2007, 11:28 AM

Well, Pains character/fighting style is screaming of the good guys having to use teamwork to beat him. Which I guess will fit in with the overall theme of protecting your loved ones and then pulling together to fight etc etc.

One person beating him would actually be stupid.

I also see Naruto as the one to beat the most probably upcoming "Peiraya" (see what I did there?)

FullMetalAlchemist

Sun, 12-16-2007, 02:23 PM

I dont think they gonna take jirayas body, if u look at the last 2 pages it looks as if they were walking away from his body when they thought he was dead. then when he revives u see pain turn around, then when he places his memory or w/e into the toad it looks like they jump at jiraya. I see where ya coming from also, since pain lost a body with ma takig a body to konoha pain is short a body and could use jirayas i guess, i rather hope this isn't the case and they do leave his body like it seemed in the last two pages.

Idealistic

Sun, 12-16-2007, 06:58 PM

Prof. Chaos

Sun, 12-16-2007, 08:00 PM

About Pein taking Jiraiya's body, I would hate it if he was able to. I mean it looks like Jirayia left all the other shinobi alive and never killed them, so it would make sense that they can't take over his body unless he was alive somehow.

And is everyone forgetting, but could "THAT JUITSU" be Hermit mode? Or was that just something incredible that only Jiraiya was able to perform?

Abdula

Sun, 12-16-2007, 09:45 PM

There is absolutely no way "that jutsu" would be hermit mode. That is obviously something only Jiraiya can do and not only does it not fit Naruto's style but he already has the Kyuubi so he doesn't need it.

CapsuleCorpJX

Sun, 12-16-2007, 10:51 PM

Does anyone have any idea who Pein is?

And if Pein is that strong, I can't imagine how strong the Uchiha giving him orders is.

Assertn

Mon, 12-17-2007, 03:10 AM

I'd seriously LOL if Naruto ever went hermit mode...

DB_Hunter

Mon, 12-17-2007, 04:42 AM

Man this fight would have been much easier if Jiraiya just summoned Gama Bunta and kicked the asses of all the other summons. I don't think this fight showed him fighting to the potential he had been made out to have.

I would imagine that the Uchiha giving orders to Pein probably is Madara now. I mean, Pein's ability is unbelievable and he managed to beat a fighter probably no one in the ninja world wanted to mess with without any problems. The only Uchiha who could be giving him orders now has to be Madara. His skills are legendary, and if it was someone else from the clan we would have found out who by now, or at least had clues.

Yukimura

Mon, 12-17-2007, 10:45 AM

I think it's sad that Kishi seemed forget about combat summoning in part 2. Back in Part 1 people were summoning left right and center and it generally made fights more interesting . But before Pein we hadn't really seen anyone use a summon for anything other tracking or transportation since Part 1. Naruto seems to have forgotten he knows the summoning jutsu since learning the Rasengan but maybe when Pa comes to tell him that Jirayia is gone he'll take up the mantle of being the Frog/Toad summoning guy (Unlikely I know, but one can hope).

Abdula

Mon, 12-17-2007, 12:42 PM

I never viewed summoning as really a combat thing. Remember Jiraiya told Naruto that it was really more of something to use when you're desperate and that for the most part is the way it has been used. Naruto only used it against Gaara because he was desperate and at the time he didn't have any other high level techniques aka Rasengan. Orochimaru or I should say Kabuto only used summoning because Oro couldn't use most of his techniques because his arms were sealed. Jiraiya also couldn't use his techniques because of what Tsunade did and Tsunade only used her's because the two of them were using their's. Tsunade didn't even use her's much she only used it to preoccupy Manda so she could attack herself.

The only other attack type summonings we saw in the first half of the series were Kidomaru and Tayuya and I trust I don't have to explain those. Sasuke used Manda as a desperation move so he could escape Deidara's explosion. Jiraiya summoning Gamabunta against Pein wouldn't really have worked because I don't think Jiraiya wanted to have a battle on such a large scale and since Pein seemed to be the master of summoning I'm sure he would've had some massive combat type summon he could use in that situation.

The main reasons people don't use summons are because they usually change the scale of the battle and I don't think most ninjas would be able or would want to have a large scale battle. Secondly summoning is supposed to use up a massive amount of chakra and the amount is supposed to be proportionate to the size or number of the summon. Remember when Naruto first summoned Gamabunta he had to use the Kyuubi's chakra just to do it and I'm assuming it used up most of the chakra he was capable of at the time. So again most ninjas won't use high level summons are summoning at all if they have sufficient high level techniques that they could use without having to waste chakra on summoning.

Jiraiya didn't use Gamabunta and again I'm just assuming because he obviously felt that if it just came down to a battle of summons Pein would win. He said that the only way he would be able to beat Pein was if he got him one on one and two because he was conserving his chakra to use hermit mode because using and sustaining it obviously requires a large amount of chakra.

Frankly I'm glad Naruto doesn't use summons it doesn't fit his charge at everyone fighting style whether that style is good or not summoning doesn't fit it and because if he used the summoning that much then I won't be able to give him credit for any of the battles he has had.

I don't think much people use or know summoning techniques because someone would have had to come into contact with the creatures before and then they would have to sign a contract and then the scroll would have to be passed on etc. I always viewed the summoning as something that should be unique to Sarutobi, The Sannin and the people they have taught and for the most part it has been. Sasuke, Suigetsu and the Sound ninja were Oro, Naruto and the fourth were Jiraiya. I don't think Tsunade has thought anyone yet and the only other examples I can remember are Pein and Hanzo.

Genma

Wed, 12-19-2007, 11:53 AM

Jesus Abdula, you could've just said "summoning isn't a combat thing, it wastes too much chakra, and Pein is better at summons."

YOUR BLOCKS OF TEXT BURN MY EYES. x_x

Yukimura

Wed, 12-19-2007, 12:51 PM

If he said that then his point would have been vulnerable to the fact that we've seen summoning used for combat a lot more than we've seen it used for anything else (tracking and reconnaissance being the only other uses I can recall).

By writing that giant brick of text he creates a point that can be disagreed with but can't really be called 'wrong' since it's an expression of personal interpretations instead of a simple declaration of 'facts'. If anyone deigns to disagree he can point to the instances where he uses the word 'assumption' so that he can't be called wrong.

Personal favorite line:

Jiraiya didn't use Gamabunta and again I'm just assuming because he obviously felt that if it just came down to a battle of summons Pein would win.

I've noticed explanations seem to be 'obvious' to Abdula if there is any reasonable evidence that they are correct. And since these explanations are 'obvious' any 'assumption' made that would assert those explanations are not the correct explanations for the events which they explain must be illogical and therefore foolish.

Abdula

Wed, 12-19-2007, 03:05 PM

@Genma: I'm glad they burn you eyes, I'm not going to stop until they bleed.:D Seriously though its much easiler to explain myself that way, you should see what my posts would be like if I didn’t cut back.

@: I <3 U

Does anybody have any idea why this scene seems so familiar to me?
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh280/XVR_01/Jiraiyadeath.png

Assertn

Wed, 12-19-2007, 03:54 PM

I wish Naruto actually summoned once in a while, but aside from that, I hated the combat utilization of summons in the series. The Naruto vs Gaara battle felt like I was watching Power Rangers.

Abdula

Wed, 12-19-2007, 04:10 PM

Lol, a power rangers reference.:D

Anyway, In my opinion summoning takes alot away from being a ninja. If you have enough chakra to do it constantly then all you would need to do was learn some powerful summons and you could in essence be invincible. It requires no skill or talent all you need is to sign a contract, learn a few seals and once you have the chakra you can use it whenever you wish. If Naruto used or knew a lot of summons he could become invincible because he has so much chakra he wouldn't need to stop using it.

Personally I don't like summons because its opens the door for ninjas to simply summon creatures and then have the summons fight their battles for them, like what Gaara tried to do. I'm glad they haven't been used that way thus far and with Jiraiya and Oro being dead now I don't think we'll see many more of them.

chet_chetty

Wed, 12-19-2007, 05:28 PM

Does anybody have any idea why this scene seems so familiar to me?
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh280/XVR_01/Jiraiyadeath.png

because it is similar to Sasori's death scene with the mom and dad puppets holding the long knives through his "heart."

Abdula

Wed, 12-19-2007, 05:32 PM

February

Wed, 12-19-2007, 07:19 PM

Thanks but no that is not it. I've seen this exact scene with a character lying prone with five black blades sticking out of him and five people standing around him in black cloaks somewhere else. Thanks anyway.

maybe when Zabuza got stabbed in the back by the thugs on the bridge when he was about to die?

DB_Hunter

Wed, 12-19-2007, 07:32 PM

Somewhere in Lord of the Rings?

Abdula

Wed, 12-19-2007, 08:02 PM

No it has nothing to do with Naruto. It must have been in another manga I've read or anime I've watched, I can't be sure of which because its really vague. It wasn't Lord of the Rings either. Its not really important anyway I just wanted to know where I've seen it before. If someone finds out then PM me.

Death BOO Z

Thu, 12-20-2007, 06:37 PM

What is it with you and always wanting to see someone die. Frankly I don't expect to see very many "death" scenes in Naruto or perhaps I didn't before the time skip they seem to be happening fairly often now yet you don't seem to be satisfied. Anyway one thing you can be sure of is that there will be more:D

well, as for my 'need' to see charecters dying, it gives the 'edge of the sit' feeling, if someone could die any moment, you can never tell what will happen next.
example: if we happen to see a Sakura fighting against someone, we can be 100% sure that she'll win or make the enemy withdraw. therefore, we know the enemy will lose and not bother us again.
if a charecter (who isn't old and futureless like the 3rd, Chiyo and Jiraya) can die any minute, the battle outcome isn't so clear, which makes for a better reading.

for example, Bleach. if we see Hitsugaya fighting someone, we know that he won't die. and since hitsugaya's fight suck in a 'battle-sense' way, the four chapters of watching his fight are wasted, since we know the outcome, and we don't enjoy the fight.

another example: Gantz - SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I began to read Gantz, I thought to myself "another shonen series, just with gory guns and boobs, I don't need to read it all right now". I imagined the Kei, Kishimoto and Masaru will live on for the entire series, and become somewhat annoying tresome of idiots.
but in the 7th volume, 2 of the main charecters were killed, and all rules have been broke, the entire series became a roller coster of twists, and you can never tell wheather the new charecer will live to fight again or die in the first alien encounter. the tension is high, and so is the enjoyment.

END SPOILERS....

out of all the dead Charecters, only Asuma died in his prime.
the 3rd was as old as ObiwanKanobi, and he filled the same purpose, nobody cared enough for chiyo to care when she died (and even when she did kick the bucket, she did so from her own will, like some magical fairy), and Jiraya had more foreshadowing to his death than the next batman flick.
it wasn't suprising, it cheapens the "fight to the death" battles, and it makes the entire "behold my awsome sound-nin/akatsuki power" thing stupid. if a villian can't even take out one genin, what good is he? how am I supposed to be impressed by Kimimaru if he couldn't even take out Rock Lee? and Rock Lee was crippled, for crying out loud.
same with Sasori, all the fancy shmancy puppets, and he can't even validate the kill of Kankaru? 3 days for a posion to take effect? no lasting damage? what kind of fighting posion is it? it's like having a super move that takes out the rival charecters in 90 sec while playing a 60 sec long rounds. completly pointless.
if Kishi would have killed more of the guys in Naruto, I could honestly say that I'm waiting to see the fight against Tobi in the following chapters. but since we know that Tobi won't die this fight, and that no one will get killed. the battle is almost meanningless, if not for tobi's plot related comments and speculations about his abilites.

Naruto in Hermit mode will be awsome. maybe Jiraya thought that Naruto will need a power up, and he didn't want Naruto ro rely on Kyuubi for a first option. but probably not, since the Hermit mode seems like a big step into the summonning domain, and Naruto probably never practiced summonning during the timejump, and it doesn't seem his style.

Also, Gamabunta could never beat Payne, GamaKen was a better warrior than him and he couldn't compare to payne's summons.