Naruto Chapter 375 [Archive]

conquistaDan

Thu, 10-18-2007, 07:45 PM

KCMmmmm

Thu, 10-18-2007, 09:05 PM

Spoiler Pic Video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5224518261364054223&q=Naruto+375&total=102&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

I've warned you plenty of times already, I guess you need a little vacation to get the message across? Put the spoiler warning in the fucking post itself, not in the thread title, and keep the thread title format the same as the previous discussion threads.

I guess Pein and his summons all go to the same bar every night after work, down a few, and get twin piercings down the street. What was with the lame "Pirates of the Caribbean" music? It sounded like a poor rendition, did it not?

mr3vi1m0nk3y

Thu, 10-18-2007, 09:07 PM

A video for spoiler pics? Anyways, does anyone else think it looks like the squid has the Rin'negan too?

Assassin

Fri, 10-19-2007, 12:14 AM

i guess pein switched bodies into that squid

Tsukasa

Fri, 10-19-2007, 07:20 AM

i guess pein switched bodies into that squid

Hahaha. Believe it!

Like always the naruto chapters can't be released fast enough.

dsh1202

Fri, 10-19-2007, 08:03 AM

I hope we see some of pein's other jutsu's instead of just his summons.

iMUSTbeTHEdevil

Fri, 10-19-2007, 08:57 AM

I liked Jairya's eyes. Looks like the lines have moved and expanded. Dig it.

conquistaDan

Fri, 10-19-2007, 12:15 PM

Some more pictures for you guys. Can't find the full chapter yet.

http://saiyanisland.com/375/albums/01.jpg
http://saiyanisland.com/375/albums/02.jpg
http://saiyanisland.com/375/albums/03.jpg
http://saiyanisland.com/375/albums/04.jpg
http://saiyanisland.com/375/albums/05.jpg

@mr3vi1m0nk3y:
yes I agree. Now that we've seen 3 animals with a possible Rinnegan. I also think they have the power Pein does.

Assertn

Fri, 10-19-2007, 01:29 PM

http://www.sendspace.com/file/qba6k7
375 Raw

and translation
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20122

Knives122

Fri, 10-19-2007, 02:52 PM

What's up with ALL of Pein's summons having his eyes? He must be a no free-will kind of guy.

Whatever, this new technique makes me sorta believe that Jiraiya won't get gutted...

Assertn

Fri, 10-19-2007, 03:15 PM

I thought they all had his eyes cause he's inside them

deadlydreamx

Fri, 10-19-2007, 03:27 PM

http://s02.mangashare.com/releases/Naruto_375%5BMS%5D.zip
375 scan by mangashare

conquistaDan

Fri, 10-19-2007, 03:58 PM

Maybe I was wrong. Guess Jiraiya's going to be able to hold his own now and get Pein to worry about himself. Looks like the fights going to get intense now.

Abdula

Fri, 10-19-2007, 05:50 PM

Wow! Naruto just keeps getting better and better and this fight seems like its gonna top all we've seen so far. Pein is seriously becoming my favourite character i never thought there would be someone i would like more than Itachi.

From all the summonings so far it would seem that he possesses a massive amount of chakra and were finally getting to seeing a good battle of strictly summons so far.If he is able to actually use all the elements without it being some lame ass reason i.e. Kakuzu and we still have no idea what his eyes are capable of yet. It seems that he is definitely worthy of being Akatsuki leader with God status pending the outcome of this battle.

Definitely think Jiraiya should die after this fight though it just all seems to be leading to that inevitable conclusion although i didn't see Asuma's death coming at all it seems Jiraiya will get a more fitting end than Asuma or even Orochimaru. Hope he goes out with a bang although i don't think anyone can top Deidara.

Knives122

Fri, 10-19-2007, 06:58 PM

Kazuku could only use 5(fire, wind, lighting, earth, water). Jiraiya stated that Nagato could use six, which means it probably he's fucked...

rockmanj

Fri, 10-19-2007, 08:38 PM

I feel sorry for that frog...his self-esteem is so low :(
rockmanj (10:43:09 AM): i was just really concerned about that frog
EquivalanTrade (10:43:38 AM): that fuckin frog did suck
rockmanj (10:44:01 AM): lol, dont rag on him
rockmanj(10:44:21 AM): he tried his best

But seriously...how much chakra does Pain have?? He pulled out what, 4 summons back to back? That is insane. And I think like, Jiraiya's face change may be what he really looks like...he is old, after all.

Assassin

Fri, 10-19-2007, 11:54 PM

lol, ya whats the deal with that. every word out of his mouth is an insult to himself.

Assertn

Sat, 10-20-2007, 01:30 AM

Kazuku could only use 5(fire, wind, lighting, earth, water). Jiraiya stated that Nagato could use six, which means it probably he's fucked...
Kakuzu could use any element that he had a heart for. He wasn't limited to just the 5, he just happened to have 5 hearts of different elements.

DB_Hunter

Sat, 10-20-2007, 10:03 AM

Besides, arn't all elements supposed to be able to be defeated by another one? So if there are 6 in total, even though Kakuzu had 5 I don't think it would be much of a disadvantage.

Knives122

Sat, 10-20-2007, 12:31 PM

Kakuzu could use any element that he had a heart for. He wasn't limited to just the 5, he just happened to have 5 hearts of different elements.

That sounds like you're saying that Kakuzu didn't have all 5 elements on him at any time(which at one point in his life might've been the case).

But you'd have to think that he would've thought having 5 different elemental hearts on his being at all times was a little more advantageous then going around looking for them like they were pokemon right?

Genma

Sat, 10-20-2007, 12:59 PM

Yeah, Ken is now officially my favorite summon. Low self-esteem frogs ftw.

As for the chapter, not bad I guess. I dunno... I was expecting a different style other than summon vs summon, but eh, whatever. I'm not sure if I'll like Jiraiya's new form either, but I guess I'll just have to wait and see.

DB_Hunter

Sat, 10-20-2007, 01:18 PM

I was trying to figure out what was going on in most of the chapter. Not used to watching fights in a manga yet.

conquistaDan

Sat, 10-20-2007, 03:18 PM

Just the fact that Jiraya has lasted this long could mean that Pain's powers are overrated, at least the way he refers to himself. A God would have just done away with the lowly human intruder you'd think. But it could also have something to do with why Pain isn't using any jutsus.

I hope we get to see this sixth element, unless that was a typo mistake in the manga.
Jiraya going all out isn't the greatest of signs for his survival though. But I hope we get to see both some hermit mode and rinnegan in the next chapter.

Abdula

Sat, 10-20-2007, 05:43 PM

The battle has just begun so i don't think any significant amount of time has passed because everything before this was mostly dialogue though and it is very difficult to tell how much time has passed in a manga.

Jiraiya been pushed so far by just summons says alot about Pein, I think everyone seems to be forgetting who Jiraiya is I mean this is the man who taught Pein, Minato and Naruto and is arguably the strongest of the Sannin the fact he has been on the defensive throughout this battle shows you just how strong Pein is. I can't think of any none Akatsuki member who would stand a chance against Pein the way he has fought so far.

I was wondering if the mentioning of the sixth element was a typo also but I doubt they would let something so crucial slip. Looking forward to see just what Jiraiya's true power is and what this hermit mode can do, not too interested in the rinnegan but want to see Pein use some jutsu other than summoning.

animus

Sat, 10-20-2007, 06:32 PM

Well Naruto has always felt more like a rock-paper-scissors system, even more so now with the inclusion of elemental weaknesses and strengths.

Abdula

Sat, 10-20-2007, 06:35 PM

An invaluable point.

mr3vi1m0nk3y

Sat, 10-20-2007, 06:51 PM

Wow, Jiraiya is really pulling out all the stops in this battle. IMO this is the first time that Jiraiya is really showing why hes one of the sannin. Also im pretty sure there are only 5 different elemental types (fire, earth, water, wind, lightning). I think I remember them saying that you can make other elements by combining 2 of the main ones together, but I'm not sure.

Tobydelaroka

Sun, 10-21-2007, 01:09 AM

haha Jiraiya summoning another Hermit.. omg its getting better and better..
and i just love reading here :D

Yukimura

Sun, 10-21-2007, 02:23 AM

I can't think of any none Akatsuki member who would stand a chance against Pein the way he has fought so far.

The way he's fought so far is to hide himself and use giant summons to attack. Sasuke has already shown that the Sharingan can be used to confuse or even control the most powerful of summons, and I suspect given enough time any elite ninja can find where another is hiding. From only what we've seen I can't imagine Itachi would be having much trouble at this point, assuming he has as powerful a hypnotic eye as Sasuke. This is not to say that Pein couldn't wipe the floor with Itachi but that he has not shown anything in the curent fight that makes him stand out against the current leader in terms of specialness, the Sharingan. Until we get a detailed Rin'negan explanation and application I don't think anything Pein will do will seem more impressive than or not defeatable by the Sharingan.

Assertn

Sun, 10-21-2007, 02:30 AM

That sounds like you're saying that Kakuzu didn't have all 5 elements on him at any time(which at one point in his life might've been the case).

But you'd have to think that he would've thought having 5 different elemental hearts on his being at all times was a little more advantageous then going around looking for them like they were pokemon right?

Huh? I think you're countering my point...but I'm not sure....anyway assuming you did...

It's pretty clear that each heart represents a different element, because when they manifest into their own distinct forms, each form uses a unique element. Also I'm pretty sure it was explicitly stated in that arc, since that was the same arc that introduced elemental affinities.

@mr3vi1m0nk3y: Correct. Ice jutsus are water + wind and wood jutsus are water + earth.

KCMmmmm

Sun, 10-21-2007, 03:02 AM

It's pretty clear that each heart represents a different element, because when they manifest into their own distinct forms, each form uses a unique element. Also I'm pretty sure it was explicitly stated in that arc, since that was the same arc that introduced elemental affinities.

I read this a bit differently though. Since Kakuzu stole the hearts which would allow him to use all five elements, he was capable of using them. However, he didn't personally master each of them, he found a suitable workaround solution. So, the fact that Pein mastered all five (and perhaps a secret sixth) elements just shows how insanely powerful he is. Also, the scope of this fight so far, and the revelation that Pein isn't even using his specialty is wild.

Jiraiya is definitely pulling out all the stops now. Nobody has yet commented on how funny the hermit summon "scene" was, so I will. The hermit summon "scene" was pretty funny.

Assertn

Sun, 10-21-2007, 11:28 AM

I read this a bit differently though. Since Kakuzu stole the hearts which would allow him to use all five elements, he was capable of using them. However, he didn't personally master each of them, he found a suitable workaround solution. So, the fact that Pein mastered all five (and perhaps a secret sixth) elements just shows how insanely powerful he is. Also, the scope of this fight so far, and the revelation that Pein isn't even using his specialty is wild.

How's this different from my argument?

animus

Sun, 10-21-2007, 11:43 AM

If the last element happens to be heart, and Pein doesn't turn out to be Captain Planet, I'll be very disappointed.

tehlegend

Sun, 10-21-2007, 12:55 PM

conquistaDan

Sun, 10-21-2007, 02:24 PM

Anyone notice that the Frog on Jiraiya's left has a little resemblence to the third?
Pointy hokage hat, and beard. Maybe tribute to his sensei?

Obviously not saying it is him, but thought it was interesting.

I cant wait till next week to see what these guys can do. Thank god naruto is still sick, bleach is slipping.

we need someone to make sure thats not a typo or something. lol, it'd suck to make all these theories and get pumped for a simple typo. But if there is another element, my money's on shadow.

by the way, All peins summons have rinnegan.

itadakimasu

Sun, 10-21-2007, 10:43 PM

conquista,

i thought his hermit summon looked like the third also... im sure im not the only person who was a little confused by jiraiya summoning 'another hermit'

KCMmmmm

Sun, 10-21-2007, 11:30 PM

How's this different from my argument?

I'm sorry. I should have quoted a different response. I don't even remember what I was disagreeing with anymore.

I was thinking that maybe Nagato's 6th element might be a combination of all 5 known elements. Imagine: if a bloodline user is able to combine two separate elements to create a new one, what would be the ultimate combination of all 5? An unbeatable element, right? Since it contains every elements' strengths and weaknesses? That probably isn't it, but I'll throw the idea out there for fun.

This conversation reminds me of a complaint I had back in the element explanation chapter. Remember how Naruto asks how ice and wood elements exist, and how Kakashi explained that they were the result of a bloodline's ability to use two at once? Then Naruto asked how Shikamaru's non-bloodline shadow ability fits into elements, and Kakashi practically said, "I don't want to confuse you"? How fucking lazy was that of Kishimoto?

kAi

Mon, 10-22-2007, 03:35 AM

Nice chapter, man Jiraiya is cool!

Anyway, this chapter again gives me the feeling that Jiraiya isn't going to perish in this fight, he might be hurt, but I think he will make it back, not to sure on how the outcome's going to be. Although, I think both will leave alive.

Want to see this new form of Jiraiya's!

The last element will probably be shadow or something.

KCMmmmm

Mon, 10-22-2007, 05:37 AM

The last element will probably be shadow or something.

Somebody else said this same thing. If there's a shadow element, there must also be a light element. They can't keep tacking on extra elements every couple of chapters. They have to commit to a set of rules. Otherwise, it would be lame. One hidden element? Ok. Another hidden element? What the hell?

Abdula

Mon, 10-22-2007, 12:24 PM

the last element has something to do with yin or yang nature. yamato mentioned it in nauto's fuuton rasengan training session right after showing off and making that waterfall... i would be surprised if they held out on going into detail about that beyond this, especially at the mention of the 6th element.

I think that is the most likely possibility as well. I remember when it was first mentioned I was thinking that this was a major development that would affect the way that future battles went much like the introduction of elemental strengths and weakness but it was passed over so quickly that I completely forgot about it. Now that its been reintroduced especially since it was explicitly stated that Minato sealed only the Kyuubi's yang chakra within Naruto and then there is the sudden and random mention of a sixth element, I think they must somehow be related because there is no such thing as a coincidence in Naruto.

kAi

Mon, 10-22-2007, 05:26 PM

Somebody else said this same thing. If there's a shadow element, there must also be a light element. They can't keep tacking on extra elements every couple of chapters. They have to commit to a set of rules. Otherwise, it would be lame. One hidden element? Ok. Another hidden element? What the hell?

Not necessarily, we have already seem shadow type jutsu, well from the Nara family. Although, you could probably class Sai's jutsu as shadow as well, and Jiraiya also just displayed a shadow type jutsu.

Yet, we haven't seen any type of light jutsu (from what I remember anyway), so I don't think that they need to have a light element, just because it's like the opposite. Well, the closest light jutsu's they have is fire.

SilentSnake

Mon, 10-22-2007, 06:25 PM

It looks to me that Jirayia won't die neither.

He'll get hella badly wounded and won't defeat Pein.

That may be just wishful thinking though :P

But wtf ? Naruto without Jiraiya ? even Kakashi will commit suicide if that happens !

Assertn

Tue, 10-23-2007, 10:51 AM

Just think....if Tobi ends up being Obito, then Kakashi too can have his "welp, time for me to head out alone to redeem myself for my past sins against this guy...<death>" arc!

KCMmmmm

Tue, 10-23-2007, 05:22 PM

Just think....if Tobi ends up being Obito, then Kakashi too can have his "welp, time for me to head out alone to redeem myself for my past sins against this guy...<death>" arc!

No! Don't say that!

Kensee

Wed, 10-24-2007, 11:57 PM

Man, I really want to see his Hermit form now. Does he have three heads or is it 2 heads attached to his shoulders? Anyhow, maybe he'll have 6 elements too (2 for each head, and since all jounin and up have at least 2 elements, Jiraya has his 2 ... 2+2+2 = 6).

Then again ... wishful thinking.

Garhert

Thu, 10-25-2007, 08:49 AM

Ehm... could it be that the rinnegan isnt "activated" right now? I mean the Byakugan and the Sharingan can be switched off. Maybe the rings in hes eyes are normal now...?

Assertn

Thu, 10-25-2007, 12:05 PM

So far the only distinction made about rinnegan is that the users have access to like, all jutsus / chakra types. Is any of this derived from the rinnegan itself, or is the rinnegan merely an indicator of such status? Nothing's been formally revealed yet as far as that goes....

Death BOO Z

Thu, 10-25-2007, 01:21 PM

come on, this is stupid.
Payne's summon is getting stupider by the moment, nine headed dog (assume any connection to the kyubi if you wish, but it probably doesn't mean a thing), a strange bird with a spear peak, and a cow. ask me if I care.
I don't.
though, I'm starting to think that Payne isn't summonning in the convintinal way, he is manipulating fleash into diffrent forms. and that's why he can't get out of the 'summon'.

about Jiraya's new form, he refrears to them as 'big sister and elder sister', but they talk to each other as 'mom' and 'pops'...
maybe he's the same as Ukon (& sakon), maybe it's like a crocodile that carries his hatcling in thier mouths (do toads do the same?)?.

also, Godmodegan's only power seems to be to cuase continuinty holes. I remember only 5 elements types. it was explained back in episode 007 or something, unless Kakashi is a super idiot, and non one but Jiraya knows about Payne's "sixth element" (it could be a title for a sucky movie)

Abdula

Thu, 10-25-2007, 01:36 PM

It would appear that Pein is only using summons because that is all he can do in that body, we have very little information about the Rinnegan and it looks like it will be that way for some time, maybe we will get some more info a few chapters from now hopefully before this battle is over.

Why do they keep referring to it as " Rikudou's eyes"

drcitan

Thu, 10-25-2007, 02:32 PM

Damn its been years since I've posted on gotwoot...It feels good!...This post is gonna take awhile cuz I have a lot to talk about...but anyway I like the direction that the manga is starting to take. Everything from Jiraiya sneaking into the rain village up til now has been awesome! I just hope that the animation team doesn't screw this arc up when they get to it because I've yet to been excited about watching a shippuden episode. There was one episode when the animation was great when kakashi was diverting Deidara's spider bombs...but that was it. The tone of the shippuden series has def gotten serious but it lacks good animation and MUSIC...compared to the original series.

Going back to the manga, at first I thought Jiraiya was going to die but now I really don't know what to think...thanks to Kishimoto's randomness :)...I love that guy...back on subject Jiraiya seems to be pulling out all the stops against Pain, who I think is more than Jiraiya can handle...in his strongest body. Based off the current chapter I think certain bodies have different capabilities to them. Before he when out to face Jiraiya he was controlling the forces of rain at will using water jutsu. This current body, which we have seen the most, his been used to summoned the nine mystical dragon seal(the huge final fantasy nine summon creature) can only perform summon jutsus, which I believe only stores a percentage of Pain's charka level( I personally believe Uchiha Madara taught him that summon jutsu because it involves the sealing of the yumas). Just like when he needed a certain amount of Kisame and Itaichi's charka to create temp clones using 30% of their chakra, he probably has done the same to his body.

I think that he has so much chakra that he can distribute it among his six bodies and can probably summon more than one body at a time. If this is the case then it would explain how he "single handedly" defeated the almighty Salamander Hanzo, which even the Legendary Three couldn't defeat using teamwork. I'm pretty sure the legendary Sennin improved a lot since that ass whipping but it just goes to show how powerful of an opponent Hanzo was.

As far as Pain's backstory which will be revealed to us shorty, I think after Jiraiya left shit started going down hill in the rain village and nagato and the bunch started to witness a lot of death going on around them. Uchiha Madara appears sometime after and takes Nagato under his wing because he sees the potential in Nagato and the fact that he has those crazy eyes of his. By witnessing some much death and losing his loved ones he probably becomes desensitized by death because the pain was too much for him to bear...So...just like Sasuke Pain used his emotions of pain and turned it into strength, making him stronger with each experience. As a reminder of his lost companions and their bond, he probably retained their dead bodies after they died and used them as his own.

The machines we saw are probably some type of chamber like to one on dragonballz, which housed the androids inside. Jiraiya is doing to destroy this body but Pain is still gonna have 5 more and the less bodies he has the stronger hes gonna be because he will have less room to distribute chakra into.

If I misspelled anything, who cares! as long as you get my point! This post is chapters and chapters of built up conversion so there you have it....GotWoot 4 life!

Assertn

Thu, 10-25-2007, 02:54 PM

also, Godmodegan's only power seems to be to cuase continuinty holes. I remember only 5 elements types. it was explained back in episode 007 or something, unless Kakashi is a super idiot, and non one but Jiraya knows about Payne's "sixth element" (it could be a title for a sucky movie)
there's no continuity holes....

If Pain has access to a "sixth element," it would be because of the Rinnegan, which has already been deemed as an unproven myth up until Pain's appearance. I'm sure it wouldve been a great conversation way back in episode 7 for Kakashi to say "blah blah there are 5 elements and OH....some ancient myth talks about the possibility of a 6th element. Anyway now let's talk about climbing trees."

KCMmmmm

Thu, 10-25-2007, 07:57 PM

The machines we saw are probably some type of chamber like to one on dragonballz, which housed the androids inside. Jiraiya is doing to destroy this body but Pain is still gonna have 5 more and the less bodies he has the stronger hes gonna be because he will have less room to distribute chakra into.

Just like in Jet Li's "The One". That movie sucked.

Highlander instead: "There can be only one!"

Yukimura

Fri, 10-26-2007, 03:37 PM

Why do they keep referring to it as " Rikudou's eyes"
Rikudou Sennin => 'Sage of the Six Paths' is title of the original guy who had the Rinnegan.

Abdula

Fri, 10-26-2007, 03:51 PM

Rikudou Sennin => 'Sage of the Six Paths' is title of the original guy who had the Rinnegan.

Thanks I completely forgot that.