Naruto Shippuuden Episode 20

[Nintendo]

here is ep20 by NB (Naruto Buzz) which was released 2h ago and the same release by Flomp-SLF.enjoy. the 1st is at (http://narutobuzz.com) and the 2nd at(http://tracker.anirena.com)

[itadakimasu]

was going to post in the other thread "naruto fansub*" but... at any rate, i am downloading both of these and will watch whichever finishes first. hopefully im impressed, went to DB and they had only a hebrew sub which on the other page shows as a yhbt so... lets see what the flompers have

edit: flomp is winning big time, its running around 240 kbps and sb only around 50

edit again :

So, i watched the flomp sub, and its hard to say "i thought it was good" as if i am watching naruto just for puerfect subtitles.... it was a good episode, and the flomp subs seemed to be as good or better than DB. Not speaking or knowing japanese its not like i can complain about things like proper grammar. DB has been good to me for a long time but in a situation like tonight i just want to watch naruto... and flomp delivered :)

some of the ep dragged out, the needle part especially. overall was good though, anxious to see how they proceed.

[darkmetal505]

You can skip the first 12 minutes of this episode and still understand it.

I liked how Chiyo's head bobbed to the music when she was undoing her hair. Animation for the episode wasn't sloppy but it wasn't the greatest either. The needle part was indeed awkward looking.

[isso]

DB

http://www.dattebayo.com/t/ns020.torrent

[Necromas]

Stupid awkward looking and repetative needle part.

Oh well, still a decent episode at least, way too much dialogue slowing down the fights though.

I think I'd rather see a mini series based on the scenes from the ending theme than filler and drawn out fights.

[DarthEnderX]

For a guy that hates waiting, Sasori was wicked patient for the first half of this episode.

The needles scenes. Hrmm. I will say these. Each "shot" looked cool. For about 2 seconds. As each shot dragged on past two seconds and you could see them repeat the same movements over and over, they started looking stupid.

I'm guessing Granny did something to Sakura. Since Sakura specifically said she wouldnt' be able to dodge his attacks, and then she did.

Since she's also a puppet person(I think, the whole family is right?) I'm wondering if maybe she was actually controlling Sakura's movement.

Oh yeah, and we learned what Sasori's "deal" is. Puppet armor. Sweet. The rocketfist with the pipes full of needles was pretty awsome too.

[Assertn]

Well, once again most of the content was actually in the manga.....just...ugh....so stretched out. It was kind of a horrible way to end the ep too.

[lotus]

If I only had the patience to wait three weeks, maybe then I could get some satisfaction out of naruto. The long dialogues are really annoying. I would like to see some action and preferably uninterrupted by dialogues action.

[Nintendo]

please if anyone have seen NB or Flomp-SLF release of Ep20 please feedback at naruto shippuuden fansubbers topic.it'd really be apreciated

[Buffalobiian]

Agreed on everyone's opinion of the needle scene, but heck, it was awesome compared to Naruto's fight.

He did what this entire episode?! Sent himself flying into a cliff and shouting. Are the same guys who did old Naruto doing Shippuuden, or has there been a changeover?

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

I thought that it was a good episode. Yeah there was alot of talking in the first part. But they had to explain shit too, like the puppet that he was using, his combat type. The normal backstory stuff. I liked it. Sakura put all she had into that punch and she was dodging needles all gracefully, Naruto was lame and screamed the whole time. -dg-

[Kuncoss]

You can skip the first 12 minutes of this episode and still understand it.
Spot on!


But I'm just happy something really did happen in this episode, think for a moment. After the commercials, something actually happen!

[uhicha neji]

They aren't skipping another week, are they?

[Carnage]

90% of Naruto's screentime was the same exact thing...him screaming for garaa....and 50% of it was in the same spot. I dont understand how Sasori could wait a whole fucking 12 minutes to begin the fight. It seems as though they stretched the entire episode so they could end it with sasori just about revealing his true self. The only reason I bare with this bullshit is because its worth it for whats going to happen in future arcs....unless they fuck that up too.

[redcat]

is it just me or is naruto more pathetic now than before the jump?

I think he peaked when he read that forbidden scroll in episode 1.

[Yukimura]

Out of boredom I counted them up, this episode covered 20.5 pages of manga, which is essentially one chapter with padding. It's no wonder it seems so slow. They are basically reading a manga chapter to us with to us with some action sequences added in between a panel here and there. In this case it was the needle dance, the Tsunade flashback, and generally showing people in motion instead of the manga where people just move in between panels.

While this pacing works fine for the manga, where you don't spend more than 5-10 minutes reading, it's fairly attrocious to have it stretched into 20+ minutes. There's just not enough happening between panels.

[DarthEnderX]

The thing is, if the anime is going to pad, then need to pad with things that anime is good at. Action scenes.

Instead of having people standing there for 10 minute, you could have them making and dodging attacks while they talk. You know. Have shit movie. In manga, they only ever show like 3 moves in a fight. And the fight is over.

In anime, you need to add more than that. That's why Naruto vs. Sasuke 2 was so awsome. Like half of the fight was stuff added for the anime, and that made the fight freakin awsome.

[ody]

This has got to be the worst Naruto episode I have ever seen. This show is going downhill faster than a pornstar.

[Carnage]

Yea, but the manga just keeps on getting better and better. ;)

[ody]

Yea, but the manga just keeps on getting better and better. ;)


Very true but since the anime can't live up to the manga that now leaves us only one source of Naruto enjoyment.

[Uberbaka]

And then they cancel the anime and the people making the manga get sick of it and end it with a rushed note as they run out of money and interest.

[kenren]

yes.. the needle dance is very awkward @_@
seems like they are dragging the show...and Naruto had to repeat "I'll take Garaa back" for a few times each episode.

[Jeff_from_MD]

Sakura put all she had into that punch and she was dodging needles all gracefully, Naruto was lame and screamed the whole time.

I got the impression that the Grandma was somehow helping Sakura by steering needles away herself. I mean even Sasori thought Sakura should've been minced meat with all those exploding needles. Unless they were trying to emphasize Sakura's growth in expert dodging or something random like that. :confused:


and yes, I agree it must be a little boring for Naruto's voice actor these past 3 eps.

[Blooth24]

Hello,

I have been a long time viewer of these forums and I enjoy reading comments of others on Naruto and all the likes and dislikes of episodes and how the series has been progressing. I have never wanted to write anything on the forums until today. In fact I signed up today, just so I could write. I am so sick and tired of people complaining about how slow the new Naruto Shippuuden series is going. Does nobody remember what happened in the last series? We had over several months of garbage fillers that were god awful and so cheesy. Do we really want this to happen again? I think its great that they are slowing down the series, it means that they actually care about the viewers opinion, since everyone raised hell when the fillers started to feel endless in the last series. So please unless you want to month after month of fillers just deal with the fact that the episodes are going to be slowed down. I have said what I wanted to say, good night and god bless.

[ASSpirine]

Who of you also has a feeling that Sasori could be the sandaime kazekage? From the moment Hiruko's shell broke.

Maybe far fetched

[Nintendo]

Blooth24,we r complaining that the series become so boring with the stretching and all we hope is that it'l be filling 1.5 or 2 mangas like before. do not forget that we watched fillers for more than 2 years so the manga is way ahead of us so it is not fair for all this waiting to make NS what we waited for so boring.

[mage]

Hello,

I have been a long time viewer of these forums and I enjoy reading comments of others on Naruto and all the likes and dislikes of episodes and how the series has been progressing. I have never wanted to write anything on the forums until today. In fact I signed up today, just so I could write. I am so sick and tired of people complaining about how slow the new Naruto Shippuuden series is going. Does nobody remember what happened in the last series? We had over several months of garbage fillers that were god awful and so cheesy. Do we really want this to happen again? I think its great that they are slowing down the series, it means that they actually care about the viewers opinion, since everyone raised hell when the fillers started to feel endless in the last series. So please unless you want to month after month of fillers just deal with the fact that the episodes are going to be slowed down. I have said what I wanted to say, good night and god bless.
I would much rather have the episodes be released weekly, or even bi-weekly, if it means not trying to stretch one chapter of manga into a single episode. They of course wouldn't do this as they would lose a lot of advertising money. If they truely cared about the fans' opinions as you said, then they would be. Right now, its pretty obvious that they only care about the money their advertisements pull in when more people watch non-fillers.

[ody]

Hello,

I have been a long time viewer of these forums and I enjoy reading comments of others on Naruto and all the likes and dislikes of episodes and how the series has been progressing. I have never wanted to write anything on the forums until today. In fact I signed up today, just so I could write. I am so sick and tired of people complaining about how slow the new Naruto Shippuuden series is going. Does nobody remember what happened in the last series? We had over several months of garbage fillers that were god awful and so cheesy. Do we really want this to happen again? I think its great that they are slowing down the series, it means that they actually care about the viewers opinion, since everyone raised hell when the fillers started to feel endless in the last series. So please unless you want to month after month of fillers just deal with the fact that the episodes are going to be slowed down. I have said what I wanted to say, good night and god bless.

Shut the fuck up.

Don't post just to start flaming the new guy.

[Animeniax]

Naruto fillers were better than these slow death episodes. At least you could tune out and do something else while watching filler, or skip it altogether if you wanted to. By them stretching it out like this, you still have to watch or you might miss the one or two relevant scenes in between several useless scenes of Naruto yelling or people standing around. I'd rather they paced normally, with a little filler like the Konoha Tourist Association bit, or stretch some scenes (preferably fight scenes), but what they are doing now is worse than the fillers.

[ody]

The main gripe about the Shippuuden is the fact that Kishimoto is fucking us in the ass with his golden pencil. We had to endure fillers for ten years only to ultimately have to deal with the same mindless, boring, uneventful bullshit. There has only been one episode that I've liked so far in the Shippuuden and that was the Itachi vs Naruto gang fight.

I was sadly disappointed with this episode because in the manga, Sakura and Chibi vs Sasori was fucking awesome and I couldn't wait for the animation when Sakura owns Sasori's puppet with a single punch. But it looked like they took a guy with Down's Syndrome and gave him a pencil and said, "Try to finish in five minutes."

[Animeniax]

Don't pin this on Kishimoto. He's an artist, we don't need him rushing his manga and ruining the story just so the anime can be produced. The anime is independent and he has no control over it's pacing or elaboration, as far as we know. Get a grip, get a life.

[DarthEnderX]

Basically, the problem is this.

There are 3 methods to keep a series from catching up with the manga.

1. Have lots of terrible studio-written sidestories. We call these "fillers".

2. Take the episodes that are within the studio, and stretch them out awkwardly to make a chapter fill an entire episode.

3. Have the series take time off, or start releasing sporadically.


The thing is, a series only needs to do one of these things to keep from catching up to the manga.

Right now, Naruto is doing all three.

They already bought themselves 2 years of time with awful fillers, but now they are also stretching episodes and releasing bi-weekly.

It's too much, and its not nessecary. The whole reason we suffered through the fillers is so we could have another hundred+ episodes made they way they were meant to, and released regularly.

If they are gonna stretch things out, wait until they actually catch up. If they're gonna release non-weekly, they need to stop stretching things out.

Pick a method and stick with it! Then at least we know HOW our series is gonna be made to suck, and we can start learning to accept it without crying too much!

[Idealistic]

Blooth24, i rather go through fillers again than have each episode dragged out.

So one day when I get old and decide to watch all of Naruto again, I can enjoy every second of the anime

[Animeniax]

I think the anime producers got wise to your viewing tactics. It would be too easy for people to stop watching long periods of fillers, and sporadic broadcasts means people might miss an episode and lose interest, thus the studio loses advertising revenue. By mixing the three methods, they can trick you and keep you watching. I think we revealed too much on these forums, and sealed our own fates.

[Idealistic]

I think the anime producers got wise to your viewing tactics. It would be too easy for people to stop watching long periods of fillers, and sporadic broadcasts means people might miss an episode and lose interest, thus the studio loses advertising revenue. By mixing the three methods, they can trick you and keep you watching. I think we revealed too much on these forums, and sealed our own fates.

They just need to release anime like TV shows. Release a new season yearly or something like that.

Actually, they sort of did. The fillers is the break (bad way to break), and then Shippuuden is the new season.

[Animeniax]

The Japanese have weird broadcasting schedules period. Most of their dramas run for 9 to 11 episodes only. I don't think they use a system for sweeps and seasons like we do in the states, though I can't say for sure.

I vote for the normal pacing of episodes, then chunks of filler in between. However, I can see why the studios won't do this again: they lost too many viewers during the filler times. Remember in the special episode 205 (?), Sakura says "we'll get all of our viewers back". So they learned their lesson from fillers, and now they'll use this slow pacing to keep viewers and extend the material. Unfortunately, they will end up losing viewers anyway because people will stop caring. It's a lose lose situation for us all.

[DB_Hunter]

I don't look forward to Naruto like I used to. I think a better idea would be for US, the viewers, to take a self imposed break from the anime, wait for like at least 15 episodes to build up and then come back and watch the show. That way it would dull the pain of watching people just stand around and talking crap, and we might actually get to see some action in one sitting.

[Penner]

I like how Sasori just stand (or sits/lies depending on his position inside that dollthing) and waits for Sakura and the old she-geezer to talk things out, especially since being made to wait for things is quite high on his 'Things i really f-ing hate' list, as Deidara pointed out a few times.. just lol

Also, props to Naruto diving straight into a cliffwall...dude, awesome move!

[?igma]

It's all part of the plan, it's called "how can we stretch the series far enough without breaking it"

They decided to make him screw up even more, talk even more, be politically correct by saying he will be saving (?) a dead guy that only recently stopped killing people for fun, even more!

So that fly into the rock cliff thing was all part of it. It gave them time to think of a funny for the next episode ...

[Animeniax]

I don't look forward to Naruto like I used to. I think a better idea would be for US, the viewers, to take a self imposed break from the anime, wait for like at least 15 episodes to build up and then come back and watch the show. That way it would dull the pain of watching people just stand around and talking crap, and we might actually get to see some action in one sitting.
I think this is a good idea and I've already sort of started on my own. I have yet to download episode 20 and will wait a few weeks until I do.

[Mizuchi]

As much as we all dislike this slow pacing, there is always another solution. You could take time off of naruto, and instead pick up a new series and/or hobby to take your mind off of it. Then in about 5-6 months, start watching naruto again, but make sure you only download a few episodes a week so it doesnt run out too quick.This is what I am doing, for I can't bear to watch naruto like this.

[Animeniax]

zuch, didn't DB_Hunter just suggest doing that a few posts before?

[DarthEnderX]

I always remember how great it feels when you pick up a series for the first time that's been out for awhile.

In fact, Naruto was the first show I ever started getting off the internet. And it was in the 70s when I started watching it.

One of the best weeks ever. 70+ brand new episodes all at once.

[masamuneehs]

As much as we all dislike this slow pacing, there is always another solution. You could take time off of naruto, and instead pick up a new series and/or hobby to take your mind off of it. Then in about 5-6 months, start watching naruto again, but make sure you only download a few episodes a week so it doesnt run out too quick.This is what I am doing, for I can't bear to watch naruto like this.

this is the best Mizuchi post I've ever read!

Amidst this discussion, a one theme that has been re-occurring is complaining without trying any solutions. Take a break from Naruto, it ain't gonna kill you. Skip through the slow parts, you can always scan later if you're that curious. Go read the manga. Go watch another anime series. Go get a hobby.

That being said, I'm a little disappointed in this recent episode. The repetition is what kills me. I don't mind slow-pacing, not at all. But I don't need to hear Naruto saying the same one-liner and Chiyo and Sakura taking nearly 10 minutes to say, "We're going to attack him. He's inside the puppet and has upgraded some parts. Avoid his poision. I'll use my experience, you utilize the opportunity to finish him with your brute strength. Ready, break!"

I realize they're trying to ration out the manga material, but if in doing so you lower the quality of the resulting show, is it really worth it? Although, i will admit, i still approve of this current approach over two year-o-filler, but they can do better and shouldn't be afraid to break their 'one chapter per episode' rule when it's clear that they'd be better off just shoving two chapters into one episode and making it more exciting.

...the much-maligned needle scene was accurately summed up by DarthEnder: many beautifully excellent single shots, but the sheer repitition of these shot loops detracted heavilly. I also fault Sasori for such a weak battle strategy.

[Animeniax]

Don't give 'zuchi too much credit, he stole DB_Hunter's idea from a few posts before his. I'm going to try DB's idea, and hopefully get some enjoyment from Naruto anime again. Thanks, DB_Hunter!

[Terracosmo]

That's what I'm doing, and it works excellently for me! Although to be honest it's just that I'm too lazy to download the new episodes when they come out every week. Yes that's right, I'm too lazy to double-click a torrent file once a week. That is correct.

[ShinobiNiNaritai]

I downloaded it last week and I just finally watched it today. Nice that we no longer have fillers but now I am not rushing back home to watch it like I used to.
I thought that when chiyo-baba was taking her hair clip down, she was gonna transform or something...but nooo~, she just succeeded in getting more hair in her eye.
And for the most impatient guy in the series so far, he was pretty patient & only 'complained' once, downright saint-like.

Is it just me or does Sakura's face looked effed-up here


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa298/silavenger/Image003.jpg

and here
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa298/silavenger/Image004.jpg

[Idealistic]

The drawings have looked a bit distorted in Shippuuden compared to the old ones.

[anime nomad]

i must agree with DB_Hunter.
the best thing for all of us Naruto Lovers to do is to take a self imposed break from naruto for 3-4 months then just watch them all in one go. i am sure the a whole episode of doing nothing will hurt alot less when you can skip right to the next episode.
although personally i really like new series, i mean, even if it is stretched out to almost nothingness at least its better then the fillers (*shudder*), and you can still feel a little of the naruto magic when you watch shippuden.
but about this episode:
the preview showed a sneak glimpse of Sasori's face, and he looked alot like Garaa imo!
i wonder what grandma Chibi did to make Sasori unable to move so that sakura could shatter the doll. but it seemed like such an anti climax after all that talk about how different the doll looked and all the new additions, then sakura could close so easily and destroy the doll. zzz
i've been seeing small flashes of naruto's improvement, that episode where he summons the large shiruken from the scroll and this episode with the attack that the clay dude (forget his name, sorry terricosmo) dodges, the attack looked quit powerfull imo. i can't wait to see how naruto has learned to use kyuubi.

[Dubazlar]

Nah, the best thing you can do, is watch like, episodes 1 - (was it 84 ? can't remember where the exams ended)

[itadakimasu]

With DB's history of crying wolf, does anybody think what they have posted on their site right now is true about some of their staff being arrested at otakon, and having various items seized?

[boilerph]

With DB's history of crying wolf, does anybody think what they have posted on their site right now is true about some of their staff being arrested at otakon, and having various items seized?


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