Movie: The Dark Knight

[Knives122]

For those of you who don't know:
"Batman, with the help of Lieutenant James Gordon and District Attorney Harvey Dent, is dismantling the remaining criminal organizations that plague Gotham City. He and his allies soon find themselves the target of the machinations of a mysterious criminal mastermind, known only as The Joker."

Let's see what we got here:

Joker:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4086/jokerbehingdthaglassbn9.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jokerbehingdthaglassbn9.jpg)
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3886/jokerrevealednz4.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jokerrevealednz4.jpg)

New Batsuit(with movable neck and other features) :
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7690/newbatmansuitna3.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newbatmansuitna3.jpg)


Pretty much this movie will be a batman fan's dream come true...providing it lose the feel it had in the first movie.

[Munsu]

Looks good, but don't hotlink the images. Fix them.

[Psyke]

The new suit looks awesome! And he can turn his head around this time round! :)

[Raven]

I was worried how they would implement the Joker into a movie keeping the same dark, gritty, real-world style as Batman Begins. But I have to say that looks pretty awesome, a little bit like a Slipknot mask even. Can't wait for this now.

[Eddie_Brock]

it looks sick, those anyone know who is playing the joker. I thought I read it somewhere but I forgot. And finally Batman can turn his head, I always fond it ridiculous that he always turned his whole body to look at a different direction :p .

[Knives122]

Heath Ledger is playing the Joker.

[Carnage]

That picture of the joker actually scares me....and thats how it should be motherf******!

I dont know, I actually like the old batman costume better (aside from him now being able to turn his head).

[masamuneehs]

I'm pumped. My favorite superhero and the return of his arch-enemy! I suppose it'd be impossible to get Jack to reprise the role of the Joker (not for anything less than mucho dinero, and he'd be all old, which wouldn't fit...) I think it's hilarious that it took them this long to fix the head movement problem of the costume, but the screenshots look very encouraging!

[Knives122]

Harvey Dent(this is real and not some fan made thing)
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1996/dentcn5.th.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dentcn5.jpg)

The picture where the first joker image(second one I put up) came from:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5426/ibelieveinharveydenttooyy3.jpg

[XanBcoo]

That dude's got nothing on Tommy Lee Jones.

Also, the movable neck thing made me laugh as well. Kinda hard to imagine that it'd take them so long to figure it out.

[Knives122]

Batcycle:
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5133/30587348sv3.jpg

[Carnage]

Now thats just silly :p .

[XanBcoo]

I honestly can't tell if it's silly or not. Can't see a damn thing.

[Knives122]

You blind person:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7526/batbikebigwa6.jpg

It's been said it comes out of the tumbler or something like that and only after it gets destroyed.

Also more Joker news:
June 18, 2007
The "look" of Heath Ledger as The Joker according to "The Goon":

* The Joker’s face is different, yet similar, to the pictures that have been released.
* Extremely different both look-wise and in manner to the two previous live-action interpretations.
* The white face looks to be “cracking” -- like dried-out face makeup.
* The Joker’s hair is long, greasy, and colored blondish/brown with green “highlights.”
* His clothing gives off a “…a demented Willy Wonka” vibe. The Joker also “…wears a long velvet purple trench coat with a diamond pattern purple shirt, a green vest, and very waist high purple pants. He sports purple gloves and a very long chain wallet.”
* From what “The Goon” has heard, Heath is taking The Joker to “…all-new f***ed-up levels.”

Seeing how the movie takes place a little bit after BB with Wayne Manor still destroyed, Bruce needs a place to live; Penthouse!!
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/8062/batman32lo5.jpg (Gotham skyline to be included later)

[rockmanj]

They're really using that as his home?? how's he gonna get to the batcave? and is it me, or does that cycle lookd like a go-kart on steroids?

[Psyke]

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4100/6ffv2fbkb2.gif

Seems like a teaser trailer is out. Will post a link when I find it.....

[Illrenmazou]

t's been said it comes out of the tumbler or something like that and only after it gets destroyed.

There goes my favorite Batmobile design :(
@Psyke: A teaser can be found on RottenTomatoes. It's in .gif though >.<

edit: The Trailer is a fake, sorry >.<

[Knives122]

First close up "official" joker image:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2104/theknifeas8.jpg

[Illrenmazou]

Theatrical Teaser! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmii6LTcSoM)
Joker's laugh gave me the chills. Awesome!

[SK]

Looks really good, that teaser trailer is weak though.

[Kensee]

Did anyone else look at that joker picture and think, "Wow, he has one bad case of herpes?"

Anyhow, I just re-watched Batman Begins and it got me pumped up for this movie. WOOOO! Can't wait =D

[Knives122]

STOP!! Picture Time!!:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK2.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK3.jpg
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http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK6.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK7.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK9.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK10.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK12.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK13.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK14.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/WorkedV6/TDK11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/manmeat/tdk016ze9.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3517/tdk017zt9.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/79/tdk018av7.jpg

This is how you portray The Joker in a movie, batshit crazy.

[joker-kun]

This movie looks really good IMO. I surprisingly enjoyed Batman Begins (I havn't been a huge fan of batman movies but that was a pleasant surpise). This one looks like it'll be better though (and no I don't think that cause of my nick).

[Knives122]

New site up:
http://www.whysoserious.com/

It may not seem like it now, but as you can see the pumpkin is rotting on the left side and it just so happens that The Long Halloween (a batman story) had these two pictures as covers:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8972/btlh1rh8.jpghttp://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3748/btlh13pj5.jpg

There have also been rumors of us getting something on Halloween day, so here's hoping to a two-face pic!!

[Knives122]

Yeah since no one posts here anymore I've decided to post more pics and shit that no one says anything about :p :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/promo1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/promo2.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/seaviewgraphics/comic_news_images/a_joker_wiz.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/promo3.jpg

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3074/empirejokerxb9.jpg

Official poster:
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8392/adkteaserposterkk2mo4.jpg

[Abdula]

Shit, joker looks freaky. They dialed up the hype machine too soon with this one.



http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8392/adkteaserposterkk2mo4.jpg

That poster is nice

[Carnage]

Small Spoiler scene, nothing huge its probably the beginning of the movie:

http://www.movieweb.com/news/51/25151.php


6 minutes of brilliance. I really like the outcome so far. The Joker is so fucking awesome.

Another Trailer:

http://www.movieweb.com/video/V07L5asvzIKLQS

This is going to be one kick ass movie.

[DayoftheDante]

Man. I actually get nervous behind my monitor when this Joker is on-screen. The way he says ".... like me!" is almost funny but it doesn't come across as goofy compared to Jack Nicholson's version. The only downside to this is that it'll probably be difficult to top this movie. I'll keep an open mind of course, but I doubt I'll be afraid of or impressed by future Batman villains after this.

I felt like a kid again watching these trailers.

[Carnage]

Im actually excited to see this young Joker (compared to Jack Nicholson).

[Animeniax]

I think I've said this before, but I hope they don't make the same mistake as in the first movies where it was more about the villain than Batman.

Some design criticism: the bat-cycle looks ridiculous. Why is the utility belt gold? It messes up the pitch black look.

Edit: Judging from the posters, it looks like they won't heed my warning. This movie is going to be all about the Joker.

[DayoftheDante]

Huh? The first movie was pretty damn good... Are you talking about when they started throwing villains out in bunches like Freeze+Ivy+Riddler or whatever shit they did back then that I've tried to block out? It's kind of a a blur to me after Christopher Walken and Danny Devito were on.

If it were a boxing match everyone would be interested in the new challenger anyway, so he gets most of the promotion. We all just wanna see how well the new contender does, even though we know Batman will prevail with his gold utility belt and plot armor.

[Animeniax]

I liked the first movie too, from both series (Jack Nicholson and Begins), but I thought they focused too much on the Joker. In Begins, they focused on Batman because that was the plot, but I see the 2nd movie focusing more on the Joker again. I guess there's not that much more to the Batman character, so it's natural like you said to examine the villain.

Also, does the Batman suit look more cartoony in this 2nd movie? It does to me. I wish it was more "homemade" looking.

[Carnage]

Animeniax, in the beginning of the theater trailer the Joker is also talking about how both he and Batman are alike, how they're both "freaks" and how Batman has changed everything. So I think the plot of the story will focus equally around both of them.

Anyway, I'm glad they chose to have the Joker as the villain in the second movie of this series instead of the first.

[masamuneehs]

i hope they do focus on the Joker. Batman's pretty much a straight shooter... would get pretty old seeing his "I became what criminals feared so events like my childhood tragedy won't happen to anyone else" routine over and over...

The Joker, on the other hand, now I'd feel they wasted a good character if they didn't focus more on him than Batman. Besides, they had Batman Begins to focus on Bruce Wayne becoming Batman. No need to get repetitive in this new one. Might as well focus on a character that, even though he did dominate the first movie in many respects, still clearly captivates the viewers.

[Animeniax]

Well since they're calling the second movie "The Dark Knight", I hope they examine the darkness of Batman's character, and maybe comparing him to the Joker will allow them to do that.

I feel the same problem with the Spider-man series now. Spider-man 3 had too many side characters and it was a mess, just like the last few of the original Batman movies.

I wish they'd make movies based on the Arkham Asylum special and Batman: The Cult.

[masamuneehs]

I wish they'd make movies based on the Arkham Asylum special and Batman: The Cult.


You mean this one, set in Arkham? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkham_Asylum:_A_Serious_House_on_Serious_Earth) I haven't been able to find a copy of that particular graphic novel...

well, did find this:
http://rs12.rapidshare.com/files/7833089/Arkham_Asylum.cbr

DLing now.

Also, one of the only Batman comics that I wished I owned, all about The Joker and The Batman: The Killing Joke. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6OEMJQ33)

[Animeniax]

Yeah that's the one. It might be a little too early to introduce all of those new villains, but they could make the movie more about how Batman deals with each obstacle, just like in the comic.

I own the original hardcover edition. I wonder if it's worth anything?

You could get the anniversary edition:
http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Arkham-Asylum-15th-Anniversary/dp/1401204252/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198329542&sr=8-1

I thought this was ludicrously cute, a Lego playset of Arkham Asylum:
http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Arkham-Asylum-Lego-7785/dp/B000EJ9OJK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1198329542&sr=8-4

[FullMetalAlchemist]

Heath ledger (the joker) died today, unknown causes believed to be suicide because a bottle of pills were found next to the body. Thats something i didnt see happening >.<.

[Munsu]

I was just about to post it:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01222008/news/regionalnews/heath_ledger_dead_916418.htm

[Assassin]

so....will this effect the movie?

[Shadow Skill]

I think they finished filming last fall. I could be wrong. :/

[Munsu]

Some viral marketing sites, etc:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6970

Here's a bootleg of another trailer, watch it before youtube takes it down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqzL7Fc1gqM&e

[Munsu]

New trailer, pretty sure it's the same as the above one but in much better quality:
http://www.whysoserious.com/happytrails/trailer.htm

[Assassin]

damn that looks sick...and gritty as hell. i just hope i dont build it up too much in my head and end up being underwhelmed now.

[Dark Dragon]

damn that looks sick...and gritty as hell. i just hope i dont build it up too much in my head and end up being underwhelmed now.

You should go and watch Batman Forever. That should tone those expectations down by a notch or two.

[kAi]

I'll be going to see this movie in an hour.
Gunna be awesome!

[rockmanj]

For some reason, its not coming out here until August! That's just unfair...

[Psyke]

Watched it last night. I thought it was better than Batman Begins. There were some surprises here and there, but probably because I've ignored all the teaser clips revealed so far.

[kAi]

That was an awesome fucken movie!!
The Joker is awesome and portrayed excellent!!
Harvey Dent is well played!!

Batman was outshined in his own movie.

"Who wants to see a magic trick? I'll make this pencil disappear."

[Psyke]

Yeah there were lots of memorable quotes in the movie.

"I'm like a dog chasing cars. Even if I caught it I wouldn't know what to do with it."

Haha awesome. And yeah Dent's character was really well done.

[Assassin]

im going to the midnite showing in exactly 3 hours. Actually the movie should start in exactly 3 hours, im gonna have to be there about 45 min early.

Im wondering if i should get there an hour early to get a decent seat....its a 12:30 am show, but still, you never know what people are like.

[kAi]

It would probably be better to get there a little early so you get a good seat. As you said people do get there early.

I went to a 3pm sitting, and we got there at 3 pm, but got awesome seats, there wasn't that many people in there, thank god.

[Lucifus]

Seeing er 7:30; got VIP tickets. Hopes it turns out good.

Edit: And the Verdict in; the Joker is the best villain out there. Sick movie.

Did the guy that played the Joker really die though? =S

[Carnage]

The Joker was the only part of this movie that I liked.

I was quite disappointed. :mad:

And jesus they really went out of their way for propaganda.

[Assassin]

are you fucking high?

[itadakimasu]

@ lucif - yes.... he died, where have you been the last 3 months.
@ carnage - the joker definately outdid all who have tried that role before and really impressed... and the rest of the movie was pretty solid too.

overall, kickass. This just took over the #1 movie of the year from Wanted.

[Carnage]

I'll admit some aspects of the movie really reminded me of the comic book, of which they did a good job. But then again a lot of parts were really ridiculous.

[Board of Command]

I'm going to see it later tonight. I have high expectations.

[Shadow Skill]

66.4 Million $$$ made the first day. :) A new record for a movie's opening day. :)

Now it just needs to surpass 160 Million to top Spiderman 3 or w/e.

[Jessper]

It holds the record for money for a midnight release (I think it was like 18 million?)

The Joker was terrifying when he talked about his dad, gave me shivers.

10/10 for this movie!

[Carnage]

I watched it a second time. They did a great job making it as it is in the comic book. The Joker's and Dent's characters were great. And batman's conflict with his mistakes was a nice touch also added from the comics. But I can't say this movie was overall great or horrible. It seemed like a mix of great parts and simply disappointing moments.

[Board of Command]

This movie was brilliant. The Joker was perfect and Harvey Two Face looked better than ever.

[Foomanchew24]

Every scene with the joker in it was great. This felt a bit slow at times commpared to batman begins though but maybe I am imagining things. Overall a very watchable movie. The only one bad part of this movie for me was how stupid the cops were about the fat guy and the bomb, I thought it was pretty obvious once they lifted up his shirt.

[Sapphire]

I'm seeing it tonight!
I didn't even like the first movie, but apparently this one is the best movie of all time so I will rewatch the first movie and hope I like it before I go.

[Board of Command]

I wouldn't say it's the best movie of all time, because it isn't.

However, you can probably argue that it's the best superhero movie of all time.

[SamuraiOdin]

I saw the movie yesterday as part of a double feature with friends of mine (Dark Knight followed by Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D). I've got to say that while I thought it was good, I did not think that it lived up to the hype.

Now before you go tearing my head off, hear me out. I'm not saying that the movie was bad, it was in fact good, it just didn't fully deliver. I tend to visit a bunch of gaming sites, web comic sites, and fansub sites, and all I keep seeing is "Go see The Dark Knight, it's the greatest super hero movie, EVER." That'd be all well and good, except for the fact that it really didn't feel like a super hero movie to me. It seemed more like a crime drama/action movie to me, that just happened to include Batman. Yes, I know that Batman doesn't have super powers, but that doesn't mean he can't be portrayed as a super hero, rather than just a martial artist fighting crime. To me, a super hero movie is something like the first Superman, where you actually see someone being heroic, and taking action, rather than just being reactionary.

The other reason that I didn't think the movie lived up to all the hype was the fact that focused too much on the surrounding cast, and not enough on Batman. Yes, Heath Ledger was a very dark and sinister Joker (leaving aside the fact that I preferred Jack's version, it just wouldn't fit in this reimaging of Batman), and wonderful performances were delivered by Aaron Eckhart, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, and Maggie Gyllenhaal (aside from the fact that Gyllenhaal is not attractive enough to play Batman's love interest), but this movie wasn't called "Joker, Two-Face, and the Surrounding Cast (Oh, and The Dark Knight)." I went into the movie expecting to see a lot more Batman, a lot more Bruce Wayne, and actually seeing the Bat Cave (after that scene at the end of Batman Begins). Instead, Bruce is set up in a penthouse as the Manor is still being rebuilt, everything he does is a reaction to the plans of other people, and the Bat Cave is reimaged into a temporary hideout beneath a shipping yard.

In conclusion, if you want to see a good performance by Heath Ledger, or are looking for an crime movie, go see The Dark Knight. If you want to see Batman kick a lot of ass, go watch Batman Begins again.

[Board of Command]

This is the difference between this new series and all the previous Batman movies. This new series focuses on Batman's early years and portrays him as a very realistic character. It emphasizes the fact that Batman is indeed just another human like the rest of us, and that he has no superpowers to pwn bad guys with. The Joker was merely a tool to show just how human Batman is.

Another major difference is how real Gotham City is. All of the old movies portrayed Gotham City as almost a fairy tale place. You got the Bat Cave. You got the Riddler's tower. You got Penguin's amusement park. In this new series though, it's just a regular city.

I like the new series much more because it's realistic. It doesn't have as many "superhero" elements as all the old ones, but that's also the appeal for many people. It feels like a much more mature movie with actual themes and good acting. In the old ones, Batman was just a guy who goes out at night and kicks ass.

PS. I like Maggie Gyllenhaal. A lot of people say she's unattractive, but I just think there's something about her that I like. She's not a total babe; she's more like that decent looking woman down the street that you see every once in a while.

[Ryllharu]

BoC definitely hit the point. This film, even more so than the last one, attempts to strike at the realistic approach to Batman. Batman is a normal guy among superheroes, just like most of his nemeses.

The Joker was a far more human character as well, despite how incredibly inhuman he was written here and the way Ledger plays him. I loved the line about how guns, knives, and gasoline were his weapons of choice because they were cheap. You don't need some ridiculous high-tech water vaporizer to bring Gotham to its knees. You can just use the city against itself. He's not going to kill everyone, he might kill just your wife, just your children, just your parents. No need for elaborate plans and gadgets, just terrorize.

But definitely spot on again about the city. I saw it in IMAX today, and Gotham and Hong Kong felt so damn real. Through the Joker's actions, you got to feel the pulse of the city, the lives of the people that live there, their fears, their happiness, the bright side, the dark side, and everything in between.

The first four Batman movies were pure camp. The ones Tim Burton didn't do are even more exaggerated, like watching the 60s TV show.

I like Maggie Gyllenhaal too. It's not that she's unattractive, I think it's because people are too used to the model-like actresses. Maggie Gyllenhaal is more normal, but I will say she's definitely more of a retro look, just like all the characters in Mad Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Men).

[Assertn]

The Joker was the only part of this movie that I liked.

I was quite disappointed. :mad:

And jesus they really went out of their way for propaganda.

Maybe most of the theatrical elements were too deep for you. :o
At least the professional critics caught on (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight/).

There are so many intricacies....foreshadowing, symbolism....I loved, for example, how Harvey's luck came from a two-headed coin, showing that he controlled his own luck. Then, after the explosion, half the coin blackened, and, likewise, he became a man of chaos.

The Joker, despite being a crazed lunatic, actually had a method to his madness, and saw beauty in peoples' true colors. This made for an even nicer twist when his expectations weren't met with the ferries he set up.

The movie really felt that the tighter the good guys tried to grip gotham, the more out-of-control things became, which added an overwhelming sense of helplessness and panic. And here I didn't expect the Joker to be anyone special...

[Carnage]

Maybe most of the theatrical elements were too deep for you. :o
At least the professional critics caught on (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight/).

There are so many intricacies....foreshadowing, symbolism....I loved, for example, how Harvey's luck came from a two-headed coin, showing that he controlled his own luck. Then, after the explosion, half the coin blackened, and, likewise, he became a man of chaos.

The Joker, despite being a crazed lunatic, actually had a method to his madness, and saw beauty in peoples' true colors. This made for an even nicer twist when his expectations weren't met with the ferries he set up.

The movie really felt that the tighter the good guys tried to grip gotham, the more out-of-control things became, which added an overwhelming sense of helplessness and panic. And here I didn't expect the Joker to be anyone special...


The symbolism wasn't anything complicated. At all. I did admit they did a good job in several areas. They captured the internal conflict that Batman had to be perfect justice but human at the same time, just as it was in the Long Halloween. And I said that they did a great job with the Joker's and Dent's characters. Especially with the Joker seeing himself as the only "sane" one.

But there were several scenes that were just fucking stupid. The first court case, the infiltration in china, the conflict with the spying on people through cell-phones (a parallel to the war), and the ferry scene was just ridiculous.

Like I said before, this movie was more a mix of great parts and simply disappointing moments.



professional[/i] critics caught on (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_dark_knight/).


If critics weren't so full of shit maybe I'd care.

Edit: I have to admit though, what they did with the whole mad dog theme in the movie was pretty good. Having the Joker act on whim the entire time, hang his head outside the cop car, use the dogs on batman, etc, the writers did a good job on the villains.

[Stitch]

I really think that the Joker is the star of this movie. They should've called it The Joker instead of The Dark Knight.

If Heath Ledger wins the Best Supporting Actor, it'll be a joke. That award should go to Aaron Eckhart.

Ledger gets my vote for Best Actor.

[Jessper]

But there were several scenes that were just fucking stupid. The first court case, the infiltration in china, the conflict with the spying on people through cell-phones (a parallel to the war), and the ferry scene was just ridiculous.


Perhaps you would like to expand here? Maybe in fact you are missing the symbolism. That or you have some bias for something that happened (it seems anything that might be perceived to be about the war is a nerve for you?)

A fair number of people seem to hate this movie because everyone else liked it. That is my guess at their reasoning anyways.

[Stitch]

Why hasn't Sam Raimi thrown himself on a sword yet?

Christopher Nolan just made every director in Hollywood his bitch.

With the sole exception of Paul Thomas Anderson, of course.

[Carnage]

Perhaps you would like to expand here? Maybe in fact you are missing the symbolism. That or you have some bias for something that happened (it seems anything that might be perceived to be about the war is a nerve for you?)

A fair number of people seem to hate this movie because everyone else liked it. That is my guess at their reasoning anyways.

I don't like how they incorporated the war somehow ever 20 minutes. It was annoying as fuck.

But you're probably right about everyone else who hated it. Although I don't hate it, I just am dissatisfied that it could have been perfect, but wasn't.

[Assertn]

The ferry scene wasn't ridiculous at all.
It was a turning point in the series.

[Jessper]

The ferry scene wasn't ridiculous at all.
It was a turning point in the series.

It was clearly a metaphor for the cold war which is indicative of how the war with terror is going to end up, damn political overtones.

Edit: Sorry, that just came out.

[Carnage]

The ferry scene wasn't ridiculous at all.
It was a turning point in the series.

Not really, since the Joker ended up defeating Batman and Gordon by corrupting Harvey Dent. And yes it was ridiculous, the writer's could have done better than having a stereotypical convict show an actual "heart" and a bunch of rowdy citizens on the other ferry freak out. It should have been more grand.

[Sapphire]

I liked it. It made me question what I would have done.

[Stitch]

Joker's best line was, "this city deserves a better class of criminal. I'm gonna give it to them."

I don't know how they're ever going to top Heath Ledger's Joker.

Jack Nicholson got owned.

[Psyke]

I liked:

Batman: "Let her go." (near windows)

Joker: "Wrong choice of words!"

[Stitch]

Yeah, you're right. That one was even better. Perfect timing on that line. Bruce Wayne's grand entrance right before that and the speech he gave in Harvey's honor was the only time I felt that Christian Bale was even in the movie.

Also, when Gordon got promoted to Commissioner and everybody was clapping, he started clapping too, like, "bitch, you can thank me for that." That had everybody in the theatre cracking up.

I've only seen The Dark Knight once so far but I think the only reason I want to go see it again before it comes out on Blu-Ray is just to hear Joker brainwash Two-Face. How do you blow up a man's fiance, burn half his face off, and then convince him that it's everybody else's fault? This is a District Attorny that Joker just talked down. I was so excited by all the build up that I missed the nuances and subtleties of his points -- "schemers" and all that.

[Assertn]

Harvey gave Joker the same treatment he gave everyone else involved in his fiance's death. A coin flip for his fate.

[Stitch]

Oh yeah, you're right, good point. That was so epic.

And before that when Gordon visits Harvey at the hospital, and Harvey turns his head... the CGI work on Two-Face made all the impact in that scene.

Amazing movie.

[Carnage]

Yeah I'm glad they made Dent's face shocking but bearable.

[SamuraiOdin]

Talking about the Ferry scene... I felt it could have gone 2 ways when you account for the Joker. 1 was the way that the writer actually wrote the scene, and the other was (and this was the one I was thinking was going to happen) that each was rigged not to the other boat, but to their own. So you push it thinking you'll kill other people, but you kill yourself instead.

[Vegechan]

This is what I don't understand. I've noticed that many people who argue about "ridiculous points in the movie" tend to also make comparisons to comic arcs, indicating that they are fans of the comics.

How the hell can you complain about the few moments in the movie that seemed "ridiculous" such as a cell phone spying network, when you read the comics, where Batman has a global spying network that can spy on anyone anywhere at anytime?!

It's Batman movie. Yes, it tries to be more realistic than any Batman incarnation to date, but you have to remember that in the end, it's still a fantasy. Even the most realistic movies still have things that wouldn't really happen exactly as it would in real life.

Don't be so uptight about it and enjoy it for what it is. Entertainment.

[Stitch]

Is it just me or did anyone else get reminded of MGS3: Snake Eater when watching The Dark Knight?

I mean, when they used sonar and got sky hooked out of Hong Kong? I just couldn't help but make the connection.

I hate to speculate but maybe this is a hint that Christian Bale will be playing Snake in the MGS movies. That would be sweeeeet.

[Carnage]

This is what I don't understand. I've noticed that many people who argue about "ridiculous points in the movie" tend to also make comparisons to comic arcs, indicating that they are fans of the comics.

How the hell can you complain about the few moments in the movie that seemed "ridiculous" such as a cell phone spying network, when you read the comics, where Batman has a global spying network that can spy on anyone anywhere at anytime?!

It's Batman movie. Yes, it tries to be more realistic than any Batman incarnation to date, but you have to remember that in the end, it's still a fantasy. Even the most realistic movies still have things that wouldn't really happen exactly as it would in real life.

Don't be so uptight about it and enjoy it for what it is. Entertainment.

You're right. You don't understand. What pisses people some of us off isn't that its unrealistic.

[Assertn]

You're right. You don't understand. What pisses people some of us off isn't that its unrealistic.
Nope. What pisses some of you off is that to be satisfied with the movie is to be conformist.

Along the lines of the sonar system...
I found that the crystal-clear sonar-vision was definitely a stretch, and there was no reason to make the eyes of batman's mask turn to tv screen blizzard-mode, other than to accentuate the fact that he's using the sonar, which, probably hurt my suspension of disbelief more than any other effect in the movie.

The idea of a dark hero with so much power, however, creates a nice, sterile, "big brother is watching" kind of setting, which always has potential for a great story.

[Carnage]

Nope. What pisses some of you off is that to be satisfied with the movie is to be conformist.



Well there are those people too, yes. But there are specific scenes that just bug the hell out of me. You are just shallow enough to buy all of it.

I'm not saying this movie was bad, a lot of it was excellent. As I've said before, they made a great adaptation of the comic, especially with Two-Face. There are just several parts that were disappointing, its not a perfect movie (although it really could have been).

[Assertn]

There are just several parts that were disappointing, its not a perfect movie (although it really could have been).
Well that's just vague enough to avoid controversy!

[Assassin]

well then, tell us how you would've made those parts less disappointing...what would you liked to have seen?

[Sapphire]

I was dissapointed at the last scene.. too cliffhangery and convenient. I wish there was some more of Two Face as well.

[Vegechan]

Well there are those people too, yes. But there are specific scenes that just bug the hell out of me. You are just shallow enough to buy all of it.



What. The. Heck.

Now, instead of just not liking those parts of the movie, you're insulting all who feel differently than you? I've yet to see you actually say why those scenes bugged the hell out of you. All you've said is that you didn't like them, or that they were "ridiculous."

Why did they bug you? It has nothing to do with them being unrealistic, so in what way are they "ridiculous"? And why are we, those who didn't get bugged by it, shallow enough to buy it?

[Carnage]

What. The. Heck.

Now, instead of just not liking those parts of the movie, you're insulting all who feel differently than you?

I was simply responding to Assertn's attitude.


I've yet to see you actually say why those scenes bugged the hell out of you. All you've said is that you didn't like them, or that they were "ridiculous."

No, you just haven't been paying attention. Right on the previous page, there are several posts discussing my disappointment in all the parallelism to the war in Iraq. I'd rather they keep that out of Batman.


And why are we, those who didn't get bugged by it, shallow enough to buy it?

I meant either you were shallow enough to buy all the parallelism and think its "artistic" or just not notice it at all.

@Assasin: I would have definitely omitted the scenes I didn't like. Most of them weren't necessary to the plot. And as for the ferry, if I didn't change the scene completely, then I would at least have the convicts end up blowing up their own ship. Instead of showing that the "The people of Gotham can withstand the terror", I'd continue showing Batman's helplessness in his war against crime. That's if I kept the scene. Additionally, I wouldn't have the the deciders on each ferry be so stereotypical.

[Jessper]

@Assasin: I would have definitely omitted the scenes I didn't like. Most of them weren't necessary to the plot. And as for the ferry, if I didn't change the scene completely, then I would at least have the convicts end up blowing up their own ship. Instead of showing that the "The people of Gotham can withstand the terror", I'd continue showing Batman's helplessness in his war against crime. That's if I kept the scene. Additionally, I wouldn't have the the deciders on each ferry be so stereotypical.

So you don't get the symbolism. Characters in film are not people, they are metaphors, pretty basic concept.

If you were to show Batman was helpless against crime that would just be a parallel to your attitude on how we will never win a war on terror. Stop it with your political jabs in what should be an action flick!

[Dark Dragon]

I would have definitely omitted the scenes I didn't like. Most of them weren't necessary to the plot. And as for the ferry, if I didn't change the scene completely, then I would at least have the convicts end up blowing up their own ship. Instead of showing that the "The people of Gotham can withstand the terror", I'd continue showing Batman's helplessness in his war against crime. That's if I kept the scene. Additionally, I wouldn't have the the deciders on each ferry be so stereotypical.

There are some parts of the movie i didn't like also but for the most part it felt right for Batman. I definitely would not show Batman helpless against crime because it would be so out of character. Even in most of the older comics for JLU you will have a hard time finding a moment when Batman is truly helpless, I mean here we have a Billionaire who is also brilliant, manages to mastered every Martial Art known to man, has extensive knowledge in various fields such as Mythology, History and Science. Batman is also resourceful enough to where most villains and other heroes are hesitant to face him one on one.

I remember reading an old issue of JLU where an alien race took over Earth and subsequently captured every member of the JLU except Batman. Their leader was telling Superman how it was not important because one man without any super power could never hope to do anything against them and Superman simple reply that Batman is the "most dangerous man on Earth". Batman then by himself sneaked into their super fortress, disable it's defense system while releasing the other JLU members.

Having the convict blow up their own ship seem unnecessary, the whole point of the scene was to show the Joker that while terror and fear are certainly amazing weapons when used correctly there is also a potential for the peoples to suppress their fear and do the right thing. Almost for the entire movie they had the Joker as someone who is able to predict the actions of everyone and therefore was able to cause so much panic and chaos. That scene shows that he is in fact just a man and does not have power over the actions others.

My only grief with the movie was that i didn't really buy the Harvey turning into Two-face scene and how that part of the movie feels somewhat rushed while they could've remove some unnecessary scenes like when Batman went to Hong Kong in order to give it more substances but overall it is still the best Batman movie to date.

[Carnage]

So you don't get the symbolism. Characters in film are not people, they are metaphors, pretty basic concept.

If you were to show Batman was helpless against crime that would just be a parallel to your attitude on how we will never win a war on terror.

No, my problem is the symbolism used. Not the fact that they had symbolism, but what it stood for. And obviously you don't understand Batman, because one of his major conflicts in the series is whether or not he can fulfill his promise to his parents to end crime. I'm not talking about specific situations, but the general idea of him fighting against the crime in Gotham and trying to end it once and for all.


Stop it with your political jabs in what should be an action flick!

No you see, that's the problem with the movie, I'd rather not have political jabs in it.

[Jessper]

No, my problem is the symbolism used. Not the fact that they had symbolism, but what it stood for. And obviously you don't understand Batman, because one of his major conflicts in the series is whether or not he can fulfill his promise to his parents to end crime. I'm not talking about specific situations, but the general idea of him fighting against the crime in Gotham and trying to end it once and for all.

Obviously.



No you see, that's the problem with the movie, I'd rather not have political jabs in it.

I agree with you, I'm saying it didn't and you are making connections where there are none, hence my sarcastic comment on what your "fix" to the movie would cause.

[Carnage]

Obviously.


Well that was also in response to Dark Dragon, who didn't fully understand.



I agree with you, I'm saying it didn't and you are making connections where there are none, hence my sarcastic comment on what your "fix" to the movie would cause.

Okay, so we disagree on there being connections. Now unfortunately for you, in an interview Chris Nolan admits to there being parallelism between the movie and the war.

[Jessper]

Okay, so we disagree on there being connections. Now unfortunately for you, in an interview Chris Nolan admits to there being parallelism between the movie and the war.

You'll have to explain what parts because I have a feeling while he may say so you are reading too far into it. The hacking into everyone's phone and all that is far from it, the comics have batman using a system that can spy on anything in the world at anytime, this isn't a new concept. Often in the comics the idea of one person having too much power is brought up in regards to Batman. Hell, Spiderman has that idea going too.

Does he say what parts are paralleled or are you just reading the words and running away with it?

Got something concrete here to work with? Maybe the ideas that have been main stays in comics for decades apply to our current political situation but that doesn't mean they were created for the war.

Edit: haha, found the interview.



So it's not a stretch to look at Gotham and see shades of Baghdad?
Well, where I suppose I would see a parallel is the threat of chaos, which is something we very much deal with in this film. And in today's world, Baghdad is a powerful illustration of that. It's frightening to imagine in one of our own cities.


Oh ya, he is practically saying right here that his movie is a metaphor for the middle east and that Bush is evil. [/sarcasm]

[Carnage]

You'll have to explain what parts because I have a feeling while he may say so you are reading too far into it. The hacking into everyone's phone and all that is far from it, the comics have batman using a system that can spy on anything in the world at anytime, this isn't a new concept. Often in the comics the idea of one person having too much power is brought up in regards to Batman. Hell, Spiderman has that idea going too.

Does he say what parts are paralleled or are you just reading the words and running away with it?

Got something concrete here to work with? Maybe the ideas that have been main stays in comics for decades apply to our current political situation but that doesn't mean they were created for the war.



[QUOTE=Jessper]
Oh ya, he is practically saying right here that his movie is a metaphor for the middle east and that Bush is evil. [/sarcasm]


Well for one thing, I never said what exactly they're saying in the movie, so now you're just assuming things.





You'll have to explain what parts because I have a feeling while he may say so you are reading too far into it. The hacking into everyone's phone and all that is far from it, the comics have batman using a system that can spy on anything in the world at anytime, this isn't a new concept. Often in the comics the idea of one person having too much power is brought up in regards to Batman. Hell, Spiderman has that idea going too.

Does he say what parts are paralleled or are you just reading the words and running away with it?

Got something concrete here to work with? Maybe the ideas that have been main stays in comics for decades apply to our current political situation but that doesn't mean they were created for the war.

At first in the movie I was thinking maybe I'm reading too deep into it as well, but as the movie developed it just became too apparent to ignore. Here are just some examples:

1. "Next time, use American" *Harvey Slams the gun down*
2. Batman chases the guy out of China? Stuff like this has been done in Batman, but I haven't seen anything done to that extent in the Long Halloween or any other comics like it.
3. Them continually referring giving into the Joker as "giving into terrorists".
4. Gotham doesn't need a hero that it'll understand now? Sound like anyone? I know Batman's supposed to be alone in this, but the whole "they'll hate me now but appreciate it later" is a stretch.
5. The simple concept of fighting fire with fire in a chaos ridden city that is in war between "terrorists" and the citizens. Citizens want to give in and back out?
6. The whole thing with the cellphone tracking. I have no problem with the technology, but Lucius Fox making such a big deal out of it? That was barely even relevant to the story. They just slapped in Batman having "too much power" in the last half hour of the movie.

These are just a few. The thing is, they could have easily done this movie without them.In fact a lot of the scenes aren't even necessary, they're very small.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a party pooper. There were things done amazingly well in this movie (I've already mentioned this...), such as comic book adaptation, character, Heath Ledger's acting, and symbolic themes such as the villains being "mad dogs". I'm just saying, there are several undeniable scenes that kind of interrupt every once in a while.

[Munsu]

Just watched the movie, it was great... the Joker was simply awesome. If they by any chance want to bring him back in some capacity, they should consider Dominic West for the part. He'll be playing Jigsaw in the new Punisher movie.

[Jessper]

Well for one thing, I never said what exactly they're saying in the movie, so now you're just assuming things.

You're right, I asked you to explain it before and you wouldn't so I had to guess, imagine that.

1. The idea of items "Made In the U.S.A." being superior isn't new to this decade. Are you really 16? That might explain it.
2. If you wanted to you could make a connection here but it certainly wasn't the first thing I thought of, and I doubt many others saw it that way.
3. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Terrorist
4. Did you see Hellboy 2? It came out recently.
5. This is totally different. The people in TDK wanted to back out because they were directly in the line of fire. Most people fighting to pull us out of Iraq are not doing so to save their own lives.
6. Once again, this concept is not new to the comics. Plus they didn't make a big deal of it, the time they spent on it was all of 10 seconds.



These are just a few. The thing is, they could have easily done this movie without them.In fact a lot of the scenes aren't even necessary, they're very small.

Remove enough little things and the product will surely suffer.



Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a party pooper. There were things done amazingly well in this movie (I've already mentioned this...), such as comic book adaptation, character, Heath Ledger's acting, and symbolic themes such as the villains being "mad dogs". I'm just saying, there are several undeniable scenes that kind of interrupt every once in a while.

Undeniable because you had a predisposition to see it that way. Self fulfilling prophecy and all that. Terrorist existed before the war and will exist after the war, all references being attributed to the past 5 years doesn't make much sense given the broad amount of history.

[Carnage]

You're right, I asked you to explain it before and you wouldn't so I had to guess, imagine that.

1. The idea of items "Made In the U.S.A." being superior isn't new to this decade. Are you really 16? That might explain it.
2. If you wanted to you could make a connection here but it certainly wasn't the first thing I thought of, and I doubt many others saw it that way.
3. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Terrorist
4. Did you see Hellboy 2? It came out recently.
5. This is totally different. The people in TDK wanted to back out because they were directly in the line of fire. Most people fighting to pull us out of Iraq are not doing so to save their own lives.
6. Once again, this concept is not new to the comics. Plus they didn't make a big deal of it, the time they spent on it was all of 10 seconds.





1. My point is that they've added in a bunch of these scenes for a reason. At this point its not a coincidence. If that were the only scene in the movie like that, then yes it would have been completely normal. But it didn't even have a relation to the plot, not saying that a movie can't do without its humor, but they have added in a bunch of these scenes which must be more than a coincidence.

2. Well there's not much to argue here.

3. My point, again, is that there is an accumulation of these scenes. This, combined with every other factor in the movie (i.e. the chaos, the unappreciated hero of his time, the backing out, etc.), leads one with sense to believe this is more than just a coincidence.

4. Hellboy 2 is a demon. This is Batman. Completely different.

5. The people in the movie can be seen as a parallel to the American citizens back home, not the soldiers. Damn you are bad at this.

6. That's my point, why did they insert it in there if it wasn't even a big deal? What could possibly have been the point? Oh yeah.


It's the way you look at it, I can't really convince you even with evidence. But what the heck:




Remove enough little things and the product will surely suffer.

That's why you replace them.





Undeniable because you had a predisposition to see it that way. Self fulfilling prophecy and all that. Terrorist existed before the war and will exist after the war, all references being attributed to the past 5 years doesn't make much sense given the broad amount of history.


Yeah, except for the fact that Chris Nolan admit to (yes, right in your own post) there being parallels to the chaos. Combine that with with the several scenes I just noticed, and it beings to make sense if you can think logically. But that's not up to me.

[Junior]

I saw this movie yesterday! And the Joker made that movie. Seriously. Heath Ledger made an incredible villian.

It got slow at certain times...but it was a good movie.

I wonder if we'll be seeing Harley Quinn some time...in the next movie...

[Ryllharu]

Concerning the Batman/War in the Middle East connection:

Yes, it does not take much of an imagination to make that stretch. But TDK pushed the message of, "Doing the right thing, even though it is unpopular," throughout the whole movie.

You can take that as, "The war in Iraq was not the right thing, and staying there is by no means popular, but it is the right thing to do to in order to fix the mess we caused." Batman's fight with the Joker (blatant terrorist) caught a lot of people in the crossfire. In the end, the choice he made was one that did not and will not make him a hero, but it was still the right thing to do.

Then there was Fox and the nifty invention. All that power, at the price of the freedom of the people of Gotham. He made his choice, and you can see the references to what Britain (where Nolan is from) and to a slightly lesser extent America (hell, even Sweeden now) has become.

There are a ton of parallels in there...at least for me.

Which is what makes this such a great movie. They left a lot of things just out there. Like the best of literature, your brain is making all the connections. Take Spiderman for example, where they had him leap up on a shining tower with an American flag right at the top. Blatant, and it insults us by forcing the connecting thought. TDK doesn't do that. If you wanted to take TDK as a simple superhero flick, sure, you could. But it has those parts that strike us close to home, threats against random people and not those that are standing out, but attacks at the cowards. Not the ones who stand up, but the ones who hide out of fear. When the threat comes to you, will you hide like a coward and die on your knees, or stand up against it and take it as it comes?

So yeah, you can take it for what it was. But you can also dig much further into it, just like the best kinds of literature.


@Junior: Interesting thing about Harley Quinn, she was originally created for the Animated Series only and specifically for the voice actress that played her. But, she became so insanely popular they incorporated her into the comics and made her a canon character.

But I don't think we'll see a movie with her any time soon.

[Junior]

Yeah I know. But I really like her character but I don't know any actors who could pull her off.

Oooh, and I hear they want to bring Catwoman in the next movie. o_O

[Jessper]

1. My point is that they've added in a bunch of these scenes for a reason. At this point its not a coincidence. If that were the only scene in the movie like that, then yes it would have been completely normal. But it didn't even have a relation to the plot, not saying that a movie can't do without its humor, but they have added in a bunch of these scenes which must be more than a coincidence.

How did it not have a relation to the plot? They NEEDED people to make an attempt on Harvey's life and he HAD to take it in stride.



3. My point, again, is that there is an accumulation of these scenes. This, combined with every other factor in the movie (i.e. the chaos, the unappreciated hero of his time, the backing out, etc.), leads one with sense to believe this is more than just a coincidence.

It is a movie about a terrorist (don't get me wrong, this idea came from the comics years before the war). Maybe I've become desensitized to the phrase "We do not negotiate with terrorist" or anything similar due to the abundance of use it has gotten for well over 5 years...



4. Hellboy 2 is a demon. This is Batman. Completely different.

People hating their hero is not new.



5. The people in the movie can be seen as a parallel to the American citizens back home, not the soldiers. Damn you are bad at this.

Says the guy that missed I was talking about the citizens at home? I went out of my way to say I was not talking about people with their life at risk (that would be the soldiers).



Yeah, except for the fact that Chris Nolan admit to (yes, right in your own post) there being parallels to the chaos. Combine that with with the several scenes I just noticed, and it beings to make sense if you can think logically. But that's not up to me.

Thanks for reminding me of what I wrote, almost forgot for a second there. He talks specifically about the chaos in the city being paralleled to how the Iraq is currently, not about how Bush is the best president ever and how we shouldn't abandon hope.

Yes, there are political undertones in the movie, but the movie is not first and foremost about the war and every scene is likewise not a metaphor for Iraq. The Joker is NOT Bin Laden, Batman is NOT President Bush, and people being inherently good is not an opinion of how we should support the war. Some of your points are right but you have taken the idea to the extreme (haha that makes you an extremist you terrorist you) and are giving the film a lot of hate for it.

Also, the Ad hominem slant to your arguments is getting old. You call everyone that doesn't agree with you shallow, senseless, etc. Tone the jackass down a notch.

[Assertn]

Considering that Heath Ledger is dead....I don't think we'll see a Harley Quinn

Carnage's critiques are far too ridiculously opinionated, so I'm not even going to argue them. However, I do agree with the people saying that Two Face felt kind of rushed.

If you think about it in terms of storytelling conventions....
The climax would probably be when the clock strikes 10 in the ferry scene. This moment represents the turning point where Joker loses control, and fails completely. The Joker was the focus of the movie, so his defeat should have been the resolution. Instead, Two Face is passed off as Joker's "last ace", and has to be killed off as a pawn, rather than a major villain.

I think a better approach would have been to end his scene in the hospital...or at least after the hospital blows up and he is missing. They built him up so much prior to his accident, and then half-hazardly knock him off an edge to wrap him up quickly.

[Munsu]

Considering that Heath Ledger is dead....I don't think we'll see a Harley Quinn

I suggested Dominic West for the role if they decide to bring Joker back. He'd be a great joker in my opinion.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5936/dominicwestjx9.jpg

Careful of brief nakedness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbHEn7l3ZrM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URupBZbfbJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6O1FCFBOF8&feature=related

[Jessper]

I think a better approach would have been to end his scene in the hospital...or at least after the hospital blows up and he is missing. They built him up so much prior to his accident, and then half-hazardly knock him off an edge to wrap him up quickly.

I agree. Aaron Eckhart is a great actor too so the next movie focusing on him would be great imo

[Idealistic]

This movie was great.... Although the way Joker escaped jail was cliche and it has been done to death in like every movie. You'd think they'd have more security instead of one idiot inside.

Other than that, everything else was awesome. God damn Heath plays a great joker. Me and my friend were actually joking that he wasn't acting, that's his lifestyle. Haha.

[Board of Command]

This movie was great.... Although the way Joker escaped jail was cliche and it has been done to death in like every movie. You'd think they'd have more security instead of one idiot inside.

Other than that, everything else was awesome. God damn Heath plays a great joker. Me and my friend were actually joking that he wasn't acting, that's his lifestyle. Haha.
At least his life ended on a high note.

[Carnage]

I see a lot of anticipation for the Riddler on the internet. He's been done already, but at this point I think he'd be a perfect candidate for a villain in the next movie.

[Munsu]

I see a lot of anticipation for the Riddler on the internet. He's been done already, but at this point I think he'd be a perfect candidate for a villain in the next movie.
You mean, the same way the Joker and Two-Face were done already?

[Carnage]

Yeah, I forgot to mention I also read that the want to use villains that haven't been used before, which might be a problem. But there will probably be more than one villain (again), which gives hope to there being a Riddler.

[Assassin]

well they've done joker, riddler, penguin, two-face, mr.freeze, poison ivy.....who else is left?

[darkshadow]

Bane, obviously

[Jessper]

Bane has been done too ;)

[Uchiha Barles]

I am not sure that this is not the best movie ever. For one, no movie has ever entertained me to this extent. It had everything cerebral entertainment with all the probing and layer by layer removal of all those things that hide our basest human instincts, along with the revalations of hypocrisy you encounter along the way; brutal violence and eye candy explosions. Decent martial action, excellent if you want it to fit in with Batman; fantastic character development; engaging story line. Allf of this was fit in to a world expertly crafted in the first movie.

As far as the arguments concerning the parallelism to the Iraq war and current fights for freedom, I don't see the point. Bringing up the joker, in any portrayal of him I've ever seen, brings up the idea of chaos. It's necessary that terrorism and chaos be brought up if you want to do a portrayal of the joker that does reflect what the joker is about. Even if you don't call it terrorism, that's what the joker has always done. The comment the director made about the parallels to the iraq war, was based on that chaos. Parallels to any other war can be made on that basis. So no it's not really a political statement that was made with the themes that the movies portrayed as relates to the joker. It's just that, when you speak of the joker in general, those themes come up, and they relate to other situations where chaos prevails.

As far as the cellphone thing is concerned, I do agree that this type of spying ability is something the Batman almost always had in the comics, however, Lucius's reaction to it, is DEFINITELY a political statement, and all I could think when I saw him react that way was "you fucking pansy". Not that that has anything to do with where I stand on things irl. It just felt like, something that broke immersion for a second. That's about the only part of the movie that did that though, because it had no precedence in the beginning of the movie, or the first movie, and wasn't further developed. Everything else was great.

[Carnage]

Lets see....who hasn't been done...there's the mad hatter, Talia Al Ghul, Calendar Man, Clay Face, Firefly, Killer Croc, Hugo Strange, and Scarface. Although it would be difficult to use some of these characters and keep the movie realistic, but I don't doubt the writers. Hopefully we'll get to see either the Riddler or Catwoman.

[darkshadow]

Well talia al ghul wouldn't be an enemy, since she is his love interest, and she isn't really a villain either, plus they pretty much need to bring ra's back for her to show up, so that won't happen for a long time i think.
Killer croc was also already done in gotham knight, which takes place between batman begins and dark knight.

Bane or ventriloquist would be nice.

[shinta|hikari]

I'm hoping cat woman for the next one... They really need to salvage her reputation because of the last cat woman movie.

[staffcc]

I just watched this movie, and it was FTW!!!

Amazing joker. The pencil magic scene was my favorite part. Absolute madness portrayed through impeccable method acting... What else can I ask for?

[Assassin]

The writer/director already said they wouldn't use penguin or catwoman. Riddler mite work if they do him properly (which they obviously will)....the whole jim carey, green suit thing was kinda corny, but if they make him some genius who likes to fuck with people and play mind games, i think they can have another iconic villain.

[Carnage]

but if they make him some genius who likes to fuck with people and play mind games, i think they can have another iconic villain.

Like the Joker? :p

[Assassin]

joker was more psychotic and less mind games....i envision riddler as more of a learned criminal. Think psychiatrist prisoner chick from HxH.

[Carnage]

I hope they make him a lot more threatening than he was in The Long Halloween...if he is in the next movie at all.

[Psyke]

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc) made me laugh. Batman really does speak like that some times.

[staffcc]

That was absolutely hilarious!

That was one of my problems with this Batman... Too much monster voice... I don't really mind a little voice alteration, but at times I couldn't understand what he was saying,or it looked too fake and corny. But its not a big enough deal to affect my viewing pleasure. :)

[Sapphire]

Oh God, that video is complete win. THANKS hahahahhahahah

PS - I'd like to see Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy
How did Robin come in the story anyway? If he did, would he be one of those Batman impersonators?

[Carnage]

Robin's parents died due to the Zucco's (another mob gang) threatening the circus. Bruce Wayne was there at the time and adopted Robin. Bruce Wayne finds a partner in crime. Batman is no longer alone.

[Dark Dragon]

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlLeCu63HCA) one is great also. He made a lot of other great video also and the voice acting is spot on.

[SamuraiOdin]

Lets see....who hasn't been done...there's the mad hatter, Talia Al Ghul, Calendar Man, Clay Face, Firefly, Killer Croc, Hugo Strange, and Scarface. Although it would be difficult to use some of these characters and keep the movie realistic, but I don't doubt the writers. Hopefully we'll get to see either the Riddler or Catwoman.

As they seem to be doing a different take on that Batman Mythos, such as taking out Al Ghul's immortality, and putting in no real background for Joker, it is possible that we've already been introduced to the Riddler. In previous incarnations the Riddler was Edward Nigma (E. Nigma), and depending on which line of comics you read, he is dangerous to Batman because he knows Batman's identity. Just the same, in TDK we are introduced to the Wayne Enterprise Employee who learns that Wayne is Batman, but is convinced not to tell the world (I won't say why, to avoid spoilers for those that haven't seen the movie), however, the name of the employee is Mister Reese (Mysteries).

I know, it's a stretch, but I'm just saying...

[Sapphire]

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlLeCu63HCA) one is great also. He made a lot of other great video also and the voice acting is spot on."Let's go watch the clown with the M16 open fire on a school bus." I love it. I watched most of the other Marvel vs. DC vids as well. Hilarious stuff.

[Board of Command]

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc) made me laugh. Batman really does speak like that some times.
I was watching this at work today and almost LOL'd. I had to stop myself.

[Terracosmo]

There's not much else to say other than the fact that this is one of the best movies I've ever seen, top 5 without a problem, maybe even top 3. I don't watch movies that much, and when I do it's rarely movie which entertains me so much that I feel it to be flawless. But DK did that. Amazing, nothing less.

[XanBcoo]

I wasn't blown away by this like I thought, but damn it was really good. I've become an instant fan of Aaron Eckhart.

There were lots of little things about the Joker that made him an attractive character, like the differing stories about the scars and the whole dog motif. I especially loved the teeth-licking tick that Ledger gave him. I always appreciate actors giving evil characters compulsive ticks that give you the extra sense of psychosis and uneasiness. Brilliant.


I do agree with the people saying that Two Face felt kind of rushed.
Agree with this as well. Although to me it seems like the focus of the story was more about Dent than it was about the Joker. The whole movie was built around the Dark Knight/White Knight theme and the fate of Gotham. The Joker simply introduced chaos into the story. Made sense to me that the story continued after The Joker had lost (just as the story of No Country for Old Men continued after it's "plot" ended). I just wish they hadn't dispatched of Two-Face so quickly.

And yes it was ridiculous, the writer's could have done better than having a stereotypical convict show an actual "heart" and a bunch of rowdy citizens on the other ferry freak out. It should have been more grand.
Also agree with this somewhat. I was expecting something a little more profound and bitterly real. It could have been something to the effect of "People are naturally chaotic but here is how they deal with it" rather than "People are good at heart and won't harm anyone. Even the 7 foot tall convict who probably raped someone has a heart of gold deep down". It just felt like too stereotypical a conclusion in comparison to the rest of the movie.

[Munsu]

Also agree with this somewhat. I was expecting something a little more profound and bitterly real. It could have been something to the effect of "People are naturally chaotic but here is how they deal with it" rather than "People are good at heart and won't harm anyone. Even the 7 foot tall convict who probably raped someone has a heart of gold deep down". It just felt like too stereotypical a conclusion in comparison to the rest of the movie.

Didn't you guys know that the guy was suicidal? He had already attempted to kill himself 10 times already, but the prison guards always got in the way of the attempt. He was actually on his way to the mental hospital when all hell broke loose. This was his perfect opportunity to kill himself. I'm really surprised no one caught that.

[Assassin]

umm, really? where did you get that from

[Lucifus]

Um....Did I mess a section of the movie? Where did you get the info from?

[Carnage]

He's kidding.....

[Knives122]

So WB rejected a script by michael bay.......let's just say I'm happy they did "Let's do this" (http://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/show?id=947994%3ABlogPost%3A355506&page=1)

[Assassin]

....


No way that was a serious attempt....thats looks like some fat highschool kid wrote it while jerking off to a mental image of pamela anderson as rachel dawes.

[Abdula]

high school is being generous. "Platinum blonde with a huge rack. She is the hottest woman in the world, but she wears glasses because she is the smartest woman in the world"

[Jessper]

I think someone made it to make fun of Michael Bay, it came out a while ago but I forget the conclusions that people made about it.

[Knives122]

They were making fun of Bay, but at the same time you can't help but think that Bay would do something like that b/c he thinks hot girls, slow-mo, and explosions lead to a good story.

The fake script honestly feels like a Bay film, I still can't help but laugh and the 5 highway bridge part.

[Assassin]

i can see some resemblance to Transformers, like the opening scene with the 'no nonsense' general, and the very heavy pro-american undertones.

But i think thats just a result of the author trying to mimic Transformers to get a micheal bay feel to it.

[Sapphire]

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2812/riddlerpostercopycopyys0.jpg
Sweet poster.

[Jaitne]

Yes it is. It makes you wish it wasn't a fan made one.

[Carnage]

I pray to the gods that isn't photoshopped.

Edit: Damn.

[Psyke]

No official statement out yet, so chances are slim...... although it's definately likely we'll see another Nolan directed Batman movie.

[Jaitne]

Awe. Sowwy!!

Here's the article about it.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/08/14/fan-created-dark-knight-sequel-movie-poster/?=rssfeed

Though, I think they did a really good job.

[Sapphire]

Sequel to Dark Knight - Potential Villains (http://www.movie-moron.com/?p=735)

[Raven]

Riddler mite work if they do him properly (which they obviously will)....the whole jim carey, green suit thing was kinda corny, but if they make him some genius who likes to fuck with people and play mind games, i think they can have another iconic villain.
In the BB/DK style of movies, I've always imagined the Riddler to be a character similar to Jigsaw in the Saw movies. Like, some deranged killer who thinks he's doing the world justice by ridding it of the scum, all the while using elaborate mysteries, riddles, clues and traps.

[Munsu]

Cher as Catwoman?



Would You Believe Cher as Catwoman?

Remember: There was a time when Batman fans thought Heath Ledger would be a terrible Joker.

They were wrong, and people aghast at the latest Bat-rumor should remember how well that bit of surprise casting turned out.

So hold on to your cowls, Bat-fans: Director Christopher Nolan reportedly wants Cher to play Catwoman in the next Batman film.

Nolan wants the 62-year-old Oscar-winner to portray the whip-wielding cat burglar as "a vamp in her twilight years," the British Telegraph newspaper quoted an anonymous studio executive as saying.

"The new Catwoman will be the absolute opposite of Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry's purring creations," the exec added.

The Dark Knight, released last month, is already the second-highest grossing film of all time.

Ledger, who was found dead in his Manhattan apartment after an accidental drug overdose, is widely considered a likely Oscar nominee for his jittery, savage portrayal of the Joker.
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Movie-News/Cher-Play-Catwoman/800045669

[Raven]

Man, I really hope that's a joke.

[Carnage]

Wait, what? That has to be a joke.

[Shadow Skill]

Heath's portrayal of the joker was not all that great in my opinion. To me, the Joker was suppose to be Evil incarnate. Does not think twice about killing, cold, heartless, and does everything at random,

Heath's Joker wasquite the opposite, a scared, clumsy, buffoon at best. I really saw no point to the joker in the movie at all.

[Assassin]

are you on crack?

TDK's joker was cold, heartless and did everything at random. infact he even says it when he's talking to Dent in the hospital "im not a schemer, i just DO". I'll admit that all his chaos had a sublime planning to it, but it was chaos nonetheless.

[Shadow Skill]

Ruthless? His minions did all the work. The joker did pretty much nothing. In all honesty, the Joker didnt kill any innocents. All he killed was those who helped him. Hardly call that Ruthless.

He tried to get the innocents to kill the innocents... ok... that made absolutely no sense to me. Would have been better if the Joker did that himself to show he is Ruthless, heartless and Evil Incarnate, like I said, the Joke was the complete opposite of who the joker is.

[Assassin]

lol...ok, im not even gonna try to convince you otherwise in that case.

[Jaitne]

Ruthless? His minions did all the work. The joker did pretty much nothing. In all honesty, the Joker didnt kill any innocents. All he killed was those who helped him. Hardly call that Ruthless.

He tried to get the innocents to kill the innocents... ok... that made absolutely no sense to me. Would have been better if the Joker did that himself to show he is Ruthless, heartless and Evil Incarnate, like I said, the Joke was the complete opposite of who the joker is.

Getting innocent people to kill other innocent people is worse than just doing it yourself.

Most evil that people pportray do use other people to do their dirty work. I mean, if you think you're better and all that, why get your own hands dirty if you can make someone else do it?

Killing off your own followers shows just how rutheless you really are, too. I mean.. you could just kill an innocent, but no,you assert your dominance over the people that follow you.

All that sounds pretty mean and bad to me. :P

[Shadow Skill]

No, he was a clumsy villian who refused to harm innocents. His entire persona was that of a dawdling 5 y.o who obviously has daddy issues. His whole purpose in the show was to corrupt Harvey Dent, that's not evil incarnate, neither is getting innocents to kill other innocents. That's the Joker being a coward. Him killing his minions just shows that's he's willing to hurt those he needs to help him, when in reality, the joker doesnt really need a group of minions to pull off the greatest terror plot in Gotham.

Despite TDK being an origins story, there was no origin to the Joker. All the joker was was somebody who wanted to be noticed by society and corrupt Harvey Dent.

As I said, he was far from ruthless and evil incarnate.

[Jaitne]

No, he was a clumsy villian who refused to harm innocents. His entire persona was that of a dawdling 5 y.o who obviously has daddy issues. His whole purpose in the show was to corrupt Harvey Dent, that's not evil incarnate, neither is getting innocents to kill other innocents. That's the Joker being a coward. Him killing his minions just shows that's he's willing to hurt those he needs to help him, when in reality, the joker doesnt really need a group of minions to pull off the greatest terror plot in Gotham.

Despite TDK being an origins story, there was no origin to the Joker. All the joker was was somebody who wanted to be noticed by society and corrupt Harvey Dent.

As I said, he was far from ruthless and evil incarnate.

And?? You make it sound like being evil only comes in one way. Good and evil aren't usually that black and white. From a lot of the old Batman stuff, he was being chased after by the police for what he did.

What you're saying isn't helping to prove your point at all. Getting someone to kill another person doesn't make you a coward. Not in any definition I've ever read, unless he was afraid to do it all. But that wasn't the case since everyone knew who was trying to get people to kill eachother. If he put his face out there like that, he sure wasn't afraid of getting caught.

Also, technically, by the definition of evil, yes, he is evil.

[Assassin]

and he did kill innocent people....dont forget those random murders when he was trying to make his point and get batman to reveal himself.

[Shadow Skill]

Those murders were not random, they were part of the law that helped batman bring down the criminal ring leaders. How is that random? He didnt do the killing, that was again, those that worked for him. Don't use Maggie Gyllanhal's character, that was the other cops that did that.

No, not afraid, a coward. The Joker killed only 3 or 4 people throughout the movie, and they all worked for him. Nothing more than a pansy who wanted attention.

[Jaitne]

Those murders were not random, they were part of the law that helped batman bring down the criminal ring leaders. How is that random? He didnt do the killing, that was again, those that worked for him. Don't use Maggie Gyllanhal's character, that was the other cops that did that.

No, not afraid, a coward. The Joker killed only 3 or 4 people throughout the movie, and they all worked for him. Nothing more than a pansy who wanted attention.

So you can STOP using the word coward incorrectly. I'll provide you with the link and the definition.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coward


–noun
1. a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person.
–adjective
2. lacking courage; very fearful or timid.
3. proceeding from or expressive of fear or timidity: a coward cry.

Here's the link for evil, too :) Just in case you want to throw that word in next.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evil

Being a coward implies fear, as we see, it's in the definition of the word. You, yourself, have just said that he was not afraid. The Joker was not timid, etc. Everyone knew it was him that tried to do everything, so he wasn't hiding it from anyone. The word coward does not apply in this situation, thank you, try again.


Just because you don't like the way a character was portrayed, or don't like the way something happens, doesn't mean that it wasn't good the way it was, or the way it was planned out to be. Being evil is not considered on how cowardly you are, either, as many serial killers.. are cowards, but people don't consider them any less evil.

How many kills you can notch underneath your belt doesn't define how evil you are, either. If that's the case, Batman can be considered pretty darn evil, he kills people, but he at least does it for, what he considers, the greater good.

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This is kinda fun, though :D

Though I apologize if it's too long :(

[Mizuchi]

joker is the shit.

[Assertn]

Ruthless? His minions did all the work. The joker did pretty much nothing. In all honesty, the Joker didnt kill any innocents. All he killed was those who helped him. Hardly call that Ruthless.

He tried to get the innocents to kill the innocents... ok... that made absolutely no sense to me. Would have been better if the Joker did that himself to show he is Ruthless, heartless and Evil Incarnate, like I said, the Joke was the complete opposite of who the joker is.
Gee, good thing you're not a professional critic, cause these suggestions are pure shit.

[XanBcoo]

Those murders were not random, they were part of the law that helped batman bring down the criminal ring leaders. How is that random? He didnt do the killing, that was again, those that worked for him. Don't use Maggie Gyllanhal's character, that was the other cops that did that.

No, not afraid, a coward. The Joker killed only 3 or 4 people throughout the movie, and they all worked for him. Nothing more than a pansy who wanted attention.
I can't figure out which people you're referring to.

In any case, ignoring you're suggestion that killing people himself would make him more "HARDCORE", he killed the mob guy with the pencil, and the Batman imposters. That's at least 2 or 3 on top of the people he killed who worked for him.

Anyway, killing people himself would have made him a boring and pretty run of the mill villain. I don't understand why you'd want that.

[Abdula]

but he did kill people himself

[Claire]

Yeah! Joker killed those bank robbers in the beginning, and put a grenade into the mouth of the guy who tried to stop him.

Overall great movie though! So sad about heath ledger :(

Bruce Wayne was sexxy though!

[Shadow Skill]

I admit he killled a few people, in reality, he was also strapped with explosives so nobody would attempt to kill him. That aside, cowards way out, he was very timid, jittery, clumsy, he was like a buffoon. It felt as though the Joker was the light-side of the equation.

All in all, he got his minions to kill for him. Dunno about you, but that's not the joker in the comics or the cartoon. The Joker is suppose to represent the greatest threat to Gotham and to Batman, his laugh wasnt even evil, was more comedic than anything.

I suggest you watch the movie again and again, I have and I can say with fact, the Joker wasnt even a match for batman.

The point is, when the Joker is telling the Mobsters he knows the coward type, who will rat out anyone, He was referring to himself in that aspect. SO do please try again on your Batman mythology and how a character is portrayed. The Joker just was not given any justice or respect by Heath Leadger. If anything, the Joker looked Emo... He looked like he was suffering from depression and if Batman didnt take notice of him, he'd have killed himself.

I can say maybe it was Heath's real life problems that got reflected in his acting, but fact remains, The Joker role, is just a joke.

As for the guy killed on Cam, who knows, the camera moved away so that part is difficult to say, since The Joker could have easily handed him to his minions to kill.

The Joker is suppose to take pride in his handywork, not run before he can see the outcome of it. This Joker went against everything Batman, the Joker and everything else that has been built around the Batman-Joker Mythos stood for.

[Jaitne]

The Joker was supposed to sound like a comedian, thus the name.

The Joker >.> was supposed to be a joke see first reason.

It seems like you just don't like the actor, rather than.. the way they showed the Joker. If we also go back a few posts ago, I defined coward for you. By that definition, the Joker is not a coward.

We've also been over that using your minions to kill off other people is a smart move, because it keeps you alive. Sorry to burst yoru bubble, but if the leader lives and a few goonies die, well.. he can still get away with his plan, no problem. There's nothing cowrdly about using dumb people to do your dirty work. It just means that they're dumb.

In a lot of other plays on Batman, the Joker has minions who help him do his dirty work.

So you need to get past that he's a coward and that using his minions to kill other people makes him one. You're not winning much with circular reasoning on this one, in my opinion >.<