Game: Super Smash Brothers Brawl

[XanBcoo]

uh i got flamed first i was just returning the favor. whatever it doesnt matter i'm not a mod soo it doesnt matter what i say b/c everyone else will just start jumping on the mods dicks
No mod has intervened yet and everyone already thinks you're a moronic 13 year old.

Updates today:
1 interesting one about Widescreen display
1 neat one featuring a Donkey Kong theme. Sounds weird.

[Assertn]

smashbros.com is about 2 weeks overdue for an update that doesn't suck.

FakeEdit: This is not the toonice714 I REMEMBER!

[XanBcoo]

Monday's update was pretty great.

What kind of update "doesn't suck"? We shouldn't exactly be expecting a new character update every day.

[Assertn]

well they used to show a new level and a character like every week.
new videos every other week or so....
It doesn't even have to be a new character.....

anything is better than "smash bros is compatible with wide screen televisions!"

[darkmetal505]

Well it's coming out in February so I except they might slow down a little. The hype will still be as strong as ever.

Edit:

Assertn got his wish.

Wario's final smash is up.

[UChessmaster]

http://smashboards.com/blog/2007/11/21/brawl-roster-reveal-coming-this-december/

[XanBcoo]

http://smashboards.com/blog/2007/11/21/brawl-roster-reveal-coming-this-december/
Pretty cool news.

I also liked Friday's update. That stage was my favorite in Melee. I'm so glad to see it back.

[Knives122]

Pretty alright update, just shows what happens when you go online. Although we do now have the games starting line up.

[UChessmaster]

Although we do now have the games starting line up.

That`s not the starting line up, it was the one at E for all event, Kirby, Zelda and the Ice Climbers can`t be unlockables, Sonic SHOULD be an unlockable, there is not enough space for the other characters.

[Carnage]

Who knows, maybe there will be two character selection screens.

[Ryllharu]

Wasn't that character select screen the one Nintendo used for the sneak preview of sorts they had with a bunch of players from the press and Melee tournaments? The one where all the youtube videos of Sonic and the other Final Smashes came from.

Either way, I highly doubt that is the final build.

[XanBcoo]

Of course it isn't the final roster.


I love how Sakurai references the "proliferation of the Internet" in this update. I love his writing style so much.

"That's epic!"

[XanBcoo]

I've been waiting for so long:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5493/kirbysnakedo5.jpg

[BioAlien]

Aww... Apparently, Kirby won't have a Zero Suit..
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/kirby/kirby_071220n.jpg

[UChessmaster]

Aww... Apparently, Kirby won't have a Zero Suit...

huh?

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/kirby/kirby_071220h.jpg

[BurnHavoc]

My Wii number: 2504-6833-4090-9541

I probally won't be able to add anyone for somewhere around a week though.

(BTW, If anyone plays Metriod Prime 3: Corruption, I have a bunch of friend creds to pass around, and need some myself. Just send me a message on the system)

[BioAlien]

huh?

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/kirby/kirby_071220h.jpg
You call that a zero suit?

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/images/common/entry_banner.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pikmin/pikmin.jpg
Pikmin & Olimar


Goodness! Captain Olimar joins the fray with five colors of Pikmin in tow! He plucks Pikmin from the ground and they fight as his allies.

Without Pikmin, Olimar can’t even do a Smash Attack. And the short-lived Pikmin tend to scatter. Theirs is a fated symbiotic relationship.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pikmin/pikmin_080109a.jpghttp://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pikmin/pikmin_080109b.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pikmin/pikmin_080109c.jpghttp://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pikmin/pikmin_080109d.jpg

[Assertn]

Yeah that's a good update. A while back I was considering the possibility of Olimar becoming a playable character. I imagine he could be a pain in the ass to play seriously though.

[Ryllharu]

Well, I doubt he will be a big choice for tournament play, but he can't be too far from any other "build-up" characters in other fighting games. Think of something like Zappa from Guilty Gear.

Certain Actions bring out more of the Pikmin, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the smash attacks were stronger than the average character with all 5 out.

[XanBcoo]

Holy crap, best stage ever amirite??

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7365/bulborglk1.jpg

All this news makes me want to go replay Pikmin.

[darkshadow]

haha great, i love those rainbow ride/ poke float type levels where a whole lot of shit is going on.

[toonice714]

CAN WAIT FOR THIS TO COME OUT!!!

[BioAlien]

CAN WAIT FOR THIS TO COME OUT!!!

You can keep waiting..
New delay:

Due to delays in the completion of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, we’ve had to change the release date of the game to Sunday, March 9th.

I deeply apologize to the people who have looked forward to playing the game for so long and ask that you hold on just a little longer. Thank you for your patience.

The pikmin stage look fun.

[Carnage]

You can keep waiting..
New delay:


The pikmin stage look fun.

FUCK.

This had better be worth it.



......(I know it will :) )

[UChessmaster]

i... really don`t think it will improve a lot with one extra week, it`s probably because of disc creation issues or a glitch fix at the last moment...

[Carnage]

That's an extra month not a week.

[RedX1z]

I think he means how Japan only got a one week delay, and how the US got a month. Probably has something to do with the tweaking of online play, but that's just a guess.

[XanBcoo]

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4401/sheikic0.jpg

Well that puts that argument to rest.

[Assertn]

looks like they recently went through and listed all the specials + final smash of all the characters too.

....and Lucas's final smash is PK Starstorm :eek:

[darkshadow]

Why is sheik blonde?....

[XanBcoo]

Because he's also tanned and has red eyes...

Also, here's a Japanese TV spot on the game, with some new and old footage. Pretty cool: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/29714.html

Edit: "she", not "he"

[Ryllharu]

OoT Zelda was blond, and correspondingly, Sheik is too.

Sheik doesn’t appear in The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, but we based her model on a design that was drafted up during the development of that game.
Her design is based off a mockup they were playing around with when they were making TP. So Brawl Zelda comes from two different worlds, fits perfectly with Legend of Zelda traditions.

I'd still prefer if they had split the two characters...but Zelda users need some way to compete with Zero Suit Samus' speed.

[toonice714]

I heard there was a glitch with the characters and they decided to delay the game. i guess they forgot that they left sheik in the game.

[Assertn]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea12.html

Oh man....I'm in love with Sakurai <3

[UChessmaster]

*Potential spoiler*

New posible leak confirms Lucario, Ness and Jigglypuff

Stickers are aparentely character specific (i.e not everyone can use any sticker), a bit before stickers were confirmed as power ups there was a japanese brawl commercial that covered a bit of the stickers mechanic, you can see the face of whoever can use the sticker you`re pointing...

http://www.brawlcentral.com/images/news/2008_01_21(2).jpg

This one increases pshychic powers (im assumin, i dont speak jap), the icons are Lucas and Ness

http://www.brawlcentral.com/images/news/2008_01_21(1).jpg

This seems pokemon specific, you can see PT, Pikachu, Lucario and jiggs on it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pfb2l-iYlRo

Original Video

EDIT: Nintendo changed the original video, thus the youtube video and not the original site.

[darkshadow]

where is my mewtwo.....

[UChessmaster]

Can this be real? :eek:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5678/200801221fv9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Game disk

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3450/200801222lj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Starting roster

[XanBcoo]

Awesome music and stage update today. Mushroomy Kingdom is a stage I never realized was missing from this game.

Also, a leaked chart that ranks the characters in terms of weight/knockability:
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7232/characterweightsvu1.jpg

Looks like Bowser is still the heaviest and they decided to make Fox a little lighter this time around.

[BioAlien]

Where's my Luigi.. :(

Though I don't really like scrolling stage, this one look promising.
(I wonder if we can destroy the blocks in 1-2)

The CD look nice. :o

[XanBcoo]

Where's my Luigi.. :(
I don't think it's showing the hidden/unlockable characters. I'm certain Luigi will be in it.

[Assertn]

Samus is the 4th heaviest character? I don't know how I feel about this...

[darkmetal505]

Samus is the 4th heaviest character? I don't know how I feel about this...

I don't see why it's a big deal (unless you are being sarcastic). It's only a 1 spot difference from Melee, in which she was the 3rd heaviest.

Here's Iwata interviewing Sakurai:

http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol2_page1.jsp

[XanBcoo]

Samus is the 4th heaviest character? I don't know how I feel about this...
You know, people like you are the reason why young women in America have such a problem with Bulimia.

[BioAlien]

Samus is the 4th heaviest character? I don't know how I feel about this...

That's with her Power Suit on.
Look when she's only in her Zero Suit, she's just a bit more heavy than Kirby.

[Assertn]

She was 3rd heaviest in melee??

Samus always felt floaty and graceful to me.

[Knives122]

Where is my sonic, and why is there not a single character on that roster I want to use?

[XanBcoo]

Where is my sonic

I don't think it's showing the hidden/unlockable characters.
:rolleyes:

[Carnage]

Yoshi is heavy? That's a surprise.

[bagandscalpel]

Yoshi is heavy? That's a surprise.

She was 3rd heaviest in melee??

Samus always felt floaty and graceful to me.
Seems quite a few things come as a surprise to us. For me, it's the fact that Metaknight, despite seeming the same mass as Kirby, is lighter even with mask, cape, and sword.

[darkmetal505]

Weight = resistance against knockback in the horizontal distance. This is why Samus had a such a good crouch cancel. It didn't affect the way the characters jumped or anything.

The ability to juggle a character vertically was based on the character's "fast fall." That is why Falco, Fox, and Captain Falcon are "easier" to combo and also why they are able to pull of those ridiculous combos.

[BioAlien]

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/25/rumorang-the-final-smash-bros-brawl-roster/

Dunno if it's the real one, but at least luigi is there.

[UChessmaster]

looks fake to me.

[darkshadow]

if that is the real roster, ill be extremely happy, i just wanted g&w and mewtwo back.
but it would be weird to include micaiah as playable char, instead of lyndis, who is a assist trophy (which sux)

[6Zabuza9]

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/25/rumorang-the-final-smash-bros-brawl-roster/

Dunno if it's the real one, but at least luigi is there.
whose the guy beside captain falcon? batman?

[darkshadow]

Black Bull, and if the other leaked stuff is real, this is pretty much fake ( noooh mewtwo), since zelda and sheik are supposed to be on the same icon together.

Though, this could also easily be a mockup the devs made in the development process, kinda like a milestone.( dont count on it though, there is like a 1% chance of it being that.)

[Assertn]

There's much more recognizable f-zero villains than Black Bull....like Samurai Goroh (assist trophy) and that green alien thing....or even Blood Falcon.

Oh, and I just found out about this:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Tourneyfag

Seriously the funniest thing I've seen in a while...

[UChessmaster]

Holy shit, the intro!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRBsajRrnY8

[Assertn]

haha...

Looks like Marth is confirmed, based on the ending part of that intro.

[XanBcoo]

Oh, and I just found out about this:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Tourneyfag

Seriously the funniest thing I've seen in a while...
Yeah, 4chan's /v/ board is pretty much devoted to hating tourneyfags, casualfags, and the ps3.

And Goddamn if that intro didn't give me chills.

EPICNESS. CONFIRMED. FOR BRAWL. (Also Ness and Marth)

EDIT: So apparently this guy on 2chan is playing through the game and just unlocked Marth?
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1903/marthconfirmedel8.jpg

[Assertn]

Erm.....
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8237/falcozd0.jpg

This image has the exact same setup (cursor position, etc)....
Either one or both of these are fake.

[UChessmaster]

http://s248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/xblah/ssbm/?start=20

Lucario

http://youtube.com/user/fairuzons

lots of interesting video including marth gameplay

http://up2.viploader.net/upphp/src/vlphp130096.jpg

Luigi

http://ranobe.com/up/src/up253923.jpg

capt falcon

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e152/bdcool187/1201606927591.jpg

falco

http://ranobe.com/up/src/up253939.jpg

game and watch

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e152/bdcool187/1201607408572.jpg

ness final smash

http://up2.viploader.net/upphp/src/vlphp130224.jpg

actual roster (it includes some unlockables, view at own risk :P)

http://brawlnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ridleyleak3.jpg

ridley is a boss, playable? no one knows

http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/?action=view&current=up253942.jpg

sheik drinking tea...

[BioAlien]

Erm.....
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8237/falcozd0.jpg

This image has the exact same setup (cursor position, etc)....
Either one or both of these are fake.

The name is the same too..
Anyone who can read Japanese tell which one it is?
But I say yours is fake, because if you look on top of his picture in the roster, you can't see a name, compared to the other characters in the roster. Which mean, it was edited. (Poorly)



http://up2.viploader.net/upphp/src/vlphp130096.jpg
Luigi


Fuck yeah! Luigi!!
(Falco is apparently on the roster UChessmaster posted too, but is it really real?)

[XanBcoo]

Looks like the stuff UChessmaster posted is the real deal. Holy freakin butts that's awesome.

[UChessmaster]

If you guys check the lucario link youll see they add captain falcon and R.O.B.

http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/?action=view&current=uporg1224465.jpg

http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/?action=view&current=up253994.jpg\

Ganondorf

http://s248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/xblah/ssbm/1201615617483.jpg

?????

Warning! Bosses Aproaching

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9818/up253900291a38cmi8.jpg

Master Hand

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/716/1201598233794xl0.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5302/1201603453579rd9.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/upphp/src/vlphp130198.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/1201603453579rd9.jpg

Ridley

http://up2.viploader.net/upphp/src/vlphp130086.jpg

Porkey

http://ranobe.com/up/src/up253893.jpg
http://ranobe.com/up/src/up253918.jpg
http://ranobe.com/up/src/up253894.jpg

Shadow (Giant) Characters

[BioAlien]

It all look real.. But I can't help but to doubt some of them.. Like R.O.B. being a playable character..

[UChessmaster]

its real guys = D

http://ranobe.com/up/src/up254037.jpg

newest roster

http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1201618715882vz2.jpg

Ganondorf FS

http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader570844.jpg

Lucario FS

[BioAlien]

So.. Why exactly is the roster changing every 5 minutes? (And where do they get the pictures from? Some kind of event by Nintendo or what?)
Well.. Not that I care.. As long as I have Luigi I don't care about the rest..

[XanBcoo]

Thanks for posting all this here, UChessmaster. I'm trying to keep up with all the news being revealed and can't be bothered. This is all too amazing.

I'm still waiting on confirmation of Windwaker Link though. I'm so glad Gannondorf is in this with his TP look.

Edit:
Screenshot from the Subspace Emissary game (http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3197/sseeu4.jpg)

EDIT: Fuck Yeah! Toon Link!! (http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/811/toonlinknq6.jpg)

[UChessmaster]

So.. Why exactly is the roster changing every 5 minutes? (And where do they get the pictures from? Some kind of event by Nintendo or what?)
Well.. Not that I care.. As long as I have Luigi I don't care about the rest..

The roster is being updated as they unlock things

@XanaBcoo: wait no more

http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader570850.jpg

Toon Link (aka Wind Waker Link)

[XanBcoo]

Updated Roster, with Toon Link:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5194/toonlinkrostercd1.jpg

[UChessmaster]

it seems the only two character left are jiggly and wolf

[XanBcoo]

It's kind of odd that Captain Falcon is still the only confirmed character in his franchise in this game.

The idea of Wolf being in Brawl really bugs me for some reason. We don't need another Star Fox character!

[Assertn]

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/xblah/ssbm/1201604902445.jpg

Ahahaha.....oh Snake-u~
Still waiting for Tails confirmed

[Carnage]

This game will be so epic. I will get very little sleep come this March....

[XanBcoo]

Final Roster, minus a speculated Star Wolf:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7729/ssbbrosterwolfty9.jpg

I want this shit now. I can't believe we could have had it 2 months ago.

[darkshadow]

I hate this game.... no mewtwo, but yeah bring back falco woohoo.....
But hey, there is still room for one more char on the roster .... right?... plz?......;(
Though im really glad about g&w

[Knives122]

I hate this game.... no mewtwo, but yeah bring back falco woohoo.....
But hey, there is still room for one more char on the roster .... right?... plz?......;(
Though im really glad about g&w

Lucario could end up being the new mewtwo based on that pic with snake.

Pretty good roster, although I don't know what the fuck to think about R.O.B......probably will be going into my "never play with" list.

Edit: nm I thought lucario would be huge, he's going to be awesome then. Plus no mewtwo makes things better.

[UChessmaster]

mewtwo is the only cut i regret :(

@XanBcoo: *cough* getamodchip *cough*

[XanBcoo]

Well, until there's confirmation about that last character, I say Mewtwo is still a possibility.

But sources say it's 90% likely it'll be Wolf. He was posted on a roster list sometime last week along with R.O.B., Toon Link, Lucario, and Ness. All of those have been confirmed except for him.

Personally I'd prefer Mewtwo to Lucario, but I might get used to it.

[Knives122]

Personally I'd prefer Mewtwo to Lucario, but I might get used to it.

But Xan, Lucario is all small and blue:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5371/1201604604285gn6.jpg

Not big and pink, and as we all know; Pink is gay(or pretty close)

[XanBcoo]

Lucario is Furry fodder.

And Mewtwo was purple. And a Goddamn hoss.

[Assertn]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4773/1201652528824oj6.jpg

More Snake/Lucario antics

[XanBcoo]

^^^^^^ That was already posted a while ago, Assertn.

Toon Link vs. Gannondorf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeeIYr5wW78)

Disappointing thing is that both of them look like clones of Young link and Captain Falcon, respectively. Awesome thing is the level and the music and also the new designs I guess.

EDIT:

Footage from Event matches featuring ROB and Lucario (http://youtube.com/watch?v=UI0hWkfjFJM)

Yeah, Lucario looks basically like a faster Mewtwo who doesn't float around.

[Knives122]

Final Roster, plus the speculated Wolf -_-

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9397/starwolf2wy7.jpg

also:

Lucario in action (including final smash) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=A8cEeD7x1Bo)

Sonic in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_rbZgGQPfs)


sigh.......Lucario is a mewtwo replace....

Edit: I take it back, Lucario is not a mewtwo replace.

[darkshadow]

utter phail.....

[XanBcoo]

I'm trying reallllllly hard not to be annoyed by Wolf's inclusion.

I think it only seems a little underwhelming because of the way all the new characters were introduced to us. If I had been told that Wolf and Lucario were being introduced to the game way back when it was announced, I wouldn't have even cared. And then if I was told about the 10 new characters, including Snake and Sonic, that were gonna be in it, I would have shorted out.

This way it's just kinda: "OH SHIT! SNAKE! SONIC, WOW....OLIMAR...Lu..cario...Oh, I guess Star Wolf is in this too...?"

I'm happy though. Still can't wait.


utter phail.....
Explain? Wolf is a little disappointing, but what more could you want/ask for?

Edit:
Wolf in 4 player Free For All (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H6uRcUADi8)

[Assertn]

Considering the popularity of fox/falco, it might encourage a bit more diversification to include another character that handles similarly. However, I hear Wolf's final smash is also the landmaster tank, and that's just wrong.

[KoKo37]

Personally I'm disappointed with this roster. I don't mind the characters they chose, I don't even mind that theres only 35, what I do care about though is that so many of the characters are too similar to each other, or even clones! If they could only make 35 characters in the time they had, fine, but make it a unique 35, don't put in a stronger but slower version of a certain character.

The 3 Star Fox characters I'm okay with, I'm surprised that Wolf got in over say someone like Krystal since Sakurai mentioned that they would like more female characters, but I don't really mind. What I do care about though is that all three characters are pretty much the same... Why does Falco have the same final smash as Fox? Didn't he say he hated the Land Master? And if Wolf's final smash is indeed yet another Land Master, thats just plain laziness on Sakurai's part.

Toon Link is the pretty much the same as Young Link in Melee? Why couldn't they make him a new character with Wind Waker items such as the Skull Hammer or the Deku Leaf? And Gannondorf still being a clone of Captain Falcon? Jesus, at least let him use his sword.


Now don't get me wrong, I'm still very excited to get this game, you got online play, a very good looking adventure mode, better graphics, nice looking levels and a whole lot of neat and fun additions. And although there are still some interesting characters added to the roster such as Sonic, Snake, Meta Knight and a few others, I can't help but feel disappointed from what I originally expected.

[XanBcoo]

only 35
There's something fundamentally wrong about complaining about this number. I think once you start playing through the game with each and every one of these guys, you'll realize just how large that number is. This isn't M.U.G.E.N., any roster higher than 40 is just unrealistic. In any case, there are 36 characters since Zero Suit Samus can be selected from the selection screen by holding R. This was recently confirmed.

Besides that, I do understand your gripe about the clones. But out of the 36, only 6 are "clones". That's 30 unique characters, 10 of which are new additions. And even the word "clone" is a loose term since the characters share fundamental similarities, and little beyond that (barring Fox's trio).

36 characters
26 old guys - perfectly acceptable in Melee
10 new additions - including Sonic and Snake
6 clones - 4 of which are returning from Melee; so it's hardly unexpected


Once you stop saying "only" this and that, the roster is pretty fucking beefy, and I can't see much wrong with it. Wolf and Toon Link were a bit of a letdown, but again, it's all in how the information was presented to us.

[KoKo37]

Well, I admit I phrased that pretty poorly, 36 in fact is a very large roster for a fighting game, but I was expecting around 35 clone free characters.

Now I'm not saying the roster is bad, not at all, thinking about it now my expectations may have just been unrealistic from the getgo, I may have just been excited by seeing the majority of the characters released fairly early, and expected a lot more new characters in the game.

However, Toon Link, Gannondorf and Wolf, I think those 3 are my biggest disappointments. In fact, if all 3 of those characters had a unique move set, I think I would like this roster, and thinking about that, I'm probably just overreacting about this if thats all it would take to change my opinion.


Overall I still am a little disappointed about the roster, but rethinking it, it's not as bad as I first thought, and like most games, I should reserve my judgment until I actually play it.

[XanBcoo]

However, Toon Link, Gannondorf and Wolf, I think those 3 are my biggest disappointments. In fact, if all 3 of those characters had a unique move set, I think I would like this roster
Yeah, you know I really won't defend the Wolf and Toon Link thing. It is kinda disappointing. I just think the differences will stand out great enough to make it not matter.

Also: 4 way battle with Wolf, Olimar, Falco and Ice Climbers (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=GGRsatP5V-4)

Includes Olimar's Final Smash "End of Day". Pretty hardcore.

Edit:
R.O.B. Training mode: Specials and Final Smash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLpB_lpmLgY)
Lucario Training mode: Specials and Final Smash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZh2oWZacm4&feature=user)
Wario Training Mode: Specials and Final Smash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjdqAZR86kA&feature=user)
Gannondorf Training mode: Specials and Final Smash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cNl0PljSB8&feature=user)

Wow, Lucario is actually significantly different than Mewtwo. I think I really like him. Gannondorf was also changed up a bit to make him less clone-y.

[Knives122]

Falco in 1 vs. 1 action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBpBrpf2khI)

Most of his move set is different.

[darkshadow]

There's something fundamentally wrong about complaining about this number. I think once you start playing through the game with each and every one of these guys, you'll realize just how large that number is. This isn't M.U.G.E.N., any roster higher than 40 is just unrealistic. In any case, there are 36 characters since Zero Suit Samus can be selected from the selection screen by holding R. This was recently confirmed.

Besides that, I do understand your gripe about the clones. But out of the 36, only 6 are "clones". That's 30 unique characters, 10 of which are new additions. And even the word "clone" is a loose term since the characters share fundamental similarities, and little beyond that (barring Fox's trio).

36 characters
26 old guys - perfectly acceptable in Melee
10 new additions - including Sonic and Snake
6 clones - 4 of which are returning from Melee; so it's hardly unexpected


Once you stop saying "only" this and that, the roster is pretty fucking beefy, and I can't see much wrong with it. Wolf and Toon Link were a bit of a letdown, but again, it's all in how the information was presented to us.

Lol what, tekken 6 has 40 chars, and soul calibur 3 had 42 chars..... and these are all fighting games with very big moves lists and such, yet brawl with its miniscule moves list per char couldnt have more then 35.

You could come up with an excuse like, those are deep fighters or whatever, but a game like narutimate hero accel 2 has 62 chars, how they do it? they dont do rediculous stuff like make big cuts from the roster ( except for joke and guest chars).

Utter Phail.., i just hope sakurai thought of something smart like Downloadable characters.... *sigh*

[Assertn]

In most other fighting games, the move list is the only unique element in every battle.
In smash bros, there are far more things to worry about than just the move list.

Besides, I find more complexity and strategy from the simplicity of the character gameplay vs holy-fucking-shit-up-up-down-Select-A fireball that does 5% damage!!!

[Abdula]

I concur, you really can't compare Smash to other fighters.

[Carnage]

Brawl is a combination of placing, moves, settings, and timing. Soul Caliber is just a series of combos. There is definitely a huge difference. Im glad there isn't more than 40 characters.

[XanBcoo]

In most other fighting games, the move list is the only unique element in every battle.
In smash bros, there are far more things to worry about than just the move list.

Besides, I find more complexity and strategy from the simplicity of the character gameplay vs holy-fucking-shit-up-up-down-Select-A fireball that does 5% damage!!!
Yeah, this was similar to my response. Smash Brothers is unique and deep enough in quality to not warrant having 50 throw-away characters.

I mean, the first game only had 12, and it's still pretty amazing. Brawl has 36 characters, plus all the other insane shit Sakurai stuffed in there.

The stage editor gives the game literally unlimited replay value. And you're complaining because you wanted more characters? Most guys only main with 1 or 2 to begin with. What do you need with 50 others?

[Ryllharu]

Fwd, Back, Fwd, Half-circle forward = Dizzy's Gamma Ray! The only complicated inputted attack I will never forget. (Also one of the few worth the complicated move if your timing was good.)

Smash has never been about the inputs, or so much the characters. It's supposed to be a fun fighter that's easy for anyone to get into. Sure, there's all the "advanced" techniques (read: exploited glitches) and insane frame analysis like any hardcore 2D fighter has, but at it's core the only requirement of Smash was timing. Or...you could just C-stick if you were new or lazy.

I always saw Smash Bros. as a series where the ITEMS were the most fun part. What other major fighting franchise incorporated items? There were also so many of them. Granted, purists (read: tourneyfags) will turn off all the items and demand the ultra-bland arenas, but the appeal for me was always the totally chaotic feel of a free-for-all match with all items on and the item rate set to "excessive."

It didn't matter if Guy-down-the-hall was insane at recoveries, you just hit him in the face with a barrel and won the match when it somehow exploded.

Call it luck, call me a bad player for never bothering to learn wavedashing, I was only in it for the fun.


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At least now the tourneyfags will have to at least leave the Final Smash on. Even they are not immune to its shiny luster, overpowered attacks and amusing animations (in some cases).

[Assertn]

I've got nothing against itemless final destination matches because, let's face it, it IS a little more competitive to minimize the randomness of a match. I usually like to keep items low, but I never had anything against the crazier stages like poke floats. I just like matches where players can utilize pure skill that they've developed through experience.

Glitch exploits are retarded, and developing your skills primarily off of training mode using cheap tricks people post in the smashboards forum is dumb and alienating to your friends.

[Ryllharu]

I agree, my friends and I typically play with a reduced number of items (the pill capsules, Homerun bats, food, the little freeze block, pokeballs, beam sword, and few others) with the dispersal rate lowered. Then either the Temple, Poke Stadium, or the starfox level (forget the name of the ship).

But I've always enjoyed the occasional item-heavy match at the Mushroom Castle.

[XanBcoo]

4 player Giant Melee on Final Destination with Super Mushrooms set to Very High is still my favorite crazy fight.

Otherwise yeah, low-ish items, on a large stage like Hyrule Temple or Corneria is probably the best kinda fight when you want to play "competitively".

[Abdula]

4 player Giant Melee on Final Destination with Super Mushrooms set to Very High is still my favorite crazy fight.


No way, that is just way too much. They call me the Item King. Anyone anytime anywhere, Bob-omb to the face.

[darkmetal505]

I played Melee with the so called "cheap tricks." I found more than often that people were eager to learn them rather than alienate me.

Some chain throws are included, intentional or not. I saw a video of a King Dee Dee down throw Ike across the stage and then just edge guard really well. Could have been a result of bad DI though.

My only beef is that L-cancelling seems to be gotten rid of. So certain jabs or pokes will now result in a shield grab or similar counter. Guess it's up to the player to be extra tricky or careful. It also puts more of an emphasis on special moves and learning the blockstun of different moves.

From the videos I've seen on youtube, it seems like items just dominate the playing field. It was really hard to follow what was happening sometimes. I like the occasional item bash, but if I want to fight somebody straight up, I would much rather play minus items (except Final Smashes, because those look tasty).

[UChessmaster]

Personally i know how to do advanced techniques, but when i play with someone i play however that person plays, can`t say i love items but i don`t mind playing without them.

Anyway... the game seems to be a dual layer dvd, since there was no wii dual layer raw dumper there is no iso... yet, because a program was released, it seems to be almost 8gb :eek:

The game does NOT works on wiikey but it does on cylowiz

[darkmetal505]

If anyone is interested, here is some more in depth stuff from the game:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=140981

Crouch Cancel is gone, which makes Samus even worse.

[bagandscalpel]

So, now the Brawl OST is floating around on the internet.

As a listener to primarily vidya gaem music, this is a veritable goldmine. I can say this because I'm only on the second portion of tracks (Donkey Kong-related) and it's already bringing a tear to my eye (and to think I never paid much attention to DK Country's music).

[Assertn]

So, now the Brawl OST is floating around on the internet.

As a listener to primarily vidya gaem music, this is a veritable goldmine. I can say this because I'm only on the second portion of tracks (Donkey Kong-related) and it's already bringing a tear to my eye (and to think I never paid much attention to DK Country's music).
Feel free to link@, bag and scalpel

[bagandscalpel]

Feel free to link@, bag and scalpel
Sorry, I totally didn't mean to forget to post the link because I like to make more posts, but here:

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=brawl+ost

Pick your poison. Although, for some reason, the torrent I'm using is one I found on thepiratebay, and for whatever reason, it seems to have fallen out of existance from the website's search engine. Funnily enough, I'm still using it to download the OST piecemeal.

EDIT: Pick the torrents that claim to be already labelled.

[UChessmaster]

got the game! unlocked, marth, ness and luigi, anyone wants to play online with me?

[Raven]

Have fun with the game, all. I won't see it here for probably 4-6 months. :( I'll join you then.

[Carnage]

got the game! unlocked, marth, ness and luigi, anyone wants to play online with me?

Stop rubbing it in! :mad:

just a month...just a month...just a month...

[Phoenix20578]

got the game! unlocked, marth, ness and luigi, anyone wants to play online with me?

Let me find some money to buy a Wii first, then we'll talk

[Chiodos]

They shoudn't had Samus armor removed. She's like............naked now : <!

[XanBcoo]

Some "quick techniques" were talked about today in the Dojo:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique10.html

Sakurai also confirmed that you can change between Zero Suit Samus and regular Samus by not only holding shield before the match starts, but also by mashing your taunt buttons rapidly in game.

That's pretty neat!

[Ryllharu]

Holy shit. There are some of the serious hardcore 2D-fighter techniques in there. These are the kinds of things we see in some of the SF games, Guilty Gear, Melty Blood, and even Virtua Fighter. Yes, I know VF is a 3D, but its one of the most technical fighters period, and Smash shares Ukemi with it among a few others.

[darkmetal505]

Ukemi is a mixture of teching and DI. Essentially if you air dodge after an attack (preferably opposite the direction of the blow) you cancel the momentum significantly.

Perfect shielding was insanely hard to do in Melee even with awesome reflexes, let's see how it pans out in Brawl.

Small jump or short hop was already vital in the SSB64 and Melee if you wanted to play competitively. It led to the SHFFL of aerials and such. Good thing they pointed it out because it is really important.

[XanBcoo]

Ukemi is a mixture of teching and DI. Essentially if you air dodge after an attack (preferably opposite the direction of the blow) you cancel the momentum significantly.
I'm confused, is "Ukemi" not exactly the same thing as "teching"?? Where are you getting the rest of that from?

[darkmetal505]

I'm confused, is "Ukemi" not exactly the same thing as "teching"?? Where are you getting the rest of that from?

Ah, I seemed to have misread smash dojo.

"When a blow sends you flying, tap the shield button just before you come into contact with the ground, wall, or ceiling. You’ll bound off the surface with a little hop and, like a judo master, cancel any excess momentum that would have otherwise kept you careening around wildly."

Yea, Ukemi is essentially teching but you also have to DI towards the ground, wall, or ceiling, otherwise you'll blow right past it.

Hopefully you can still do stuff like this though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QElifBiVv60

What I was talking about was the insane DI ability. I read on smashboards that if you DI towards the stage while air dodging after a blow that would kill you otherwise, it significantly reduces knockback.

edit:

the insane DI ability was debunked because due to the fact that attacks get weaker when repeated.

Here is a list of what has been discovered so far:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=142139

As much as they tried to prevent Fox from shine spiking, they made his infinite shine super easy.

[Assertn]

I don't know if I did this already, but I'm making a mental note to not participate in any battles with darkmetal.

[XanBcoo]

I don't know if I did this already, but I'm making a mental note to not participate in any battles with darkmetal.
Duly noted.

Also I just played Brawl. The "Smash Club" here has a tv set up outside and I got to join in on two 4 player games. Played as Meta Knight and won my first battle!

Then I played as Pokemon Trainer and came in second against Peach. Though I learned that Ivysaur is pretty much the best Pokemon.

Edit: Also my victory as Meta Knight was pretty much perfect. We each had one life left and I beat him to a Smash Ball. After we both hit the ground, he attacked me and I rolled out of the way and into a good attack range, releasing my Final Smash. IT WAS POETRY.

[darkshadow]

umm fushigishou is by far the worst pokemon, zenigame and lizardon are far far better, and lucario pwns all 3 of them.

[UChessmaster]

umm fushigishou is by far the worst pokemon, zenigame and lizardon are far far better, and lucario pwns all 3 of them.

Agree, i like squirtle the most, also, is it me or zelda got buffed a lot?

[Ryllharu]

Zelda was pathetically underpowered in Melee. As a slow character, she should have hit with a decent amount of damage, but she was pretty much equivalent to Peach (but Peach is of course, WAY faster). That's why the overwhelming number of Zelda users always switched to Shiek. Slightly less damage than Zelda, but maybe triple the attack rate.

However, when Zelda was introduced on the Brawl site, Sakurai implied that it might no longer be the case. I speculated from that they added a significant punch to Zelda's damage.

Her movement capabilities are not that good, but her magic adds power to her physical attacks. There’s a reason why her hands and feet glow, after all.

As a casual player and a Zelda user, I certainly hope it's not just you. Maybe someone playing it now can say for sure. When it comes out here, I'll let you know otherwise.

[NM]

So, now the Brawl OST is floating around on the internet.

As a listener to primarily vidya gaem music, this is a veritable goldmine. I can say this because I'm only on the second portion of tracks (Donkey Kong-related) and it's already bringing a tear to my eye (and to think I never paid much attention to DK Country's music).

I just downloaded the soundtrack and seriously, this is quite possibly the greatest thing ever. If the soundtrack ever comes out in America or an import is available, I'm getting it. So many memories with these songs. :)

[XanBcoo]

umm fushigishou is by far the worst pokemon, zenigame and lizardon are far far better,
...
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9496/weeaboopbffy0.jpg

In any case, Charizard is slow and cumbersome, but Squirtle's up B is pretty great.

Also something I noticed about Zelda when I played was that the explosion of her Din's Fire attack has a LOT more range in this game. It seems like a much better attack.

[darkshadow]

uhm what? thats what they are fuking called in the game, ive been playing it for the past 3 weeks, what else do you expect me to call em dumbass, you understood me just fine so move along.

[darkshadow]

"For those of who were spoiled on the star-studded roster of the game, you may have noticed that there certainly is room for quite a few more people.

It seems that even the game's director, Masahiro Sakurai, thought the same thing, as he allegedly plans to release new content for the game via a dedicated channel on the Wii. This title would be named SSBB: New Challenger (Challenger Approaching)
and it would grant you additional content for the game in return for Wii Points.

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/113523/sakurainterview_qjgenth.jpg
This comes from a scan of an interview with none other than Sakurai himself - a two-page spread of nothing but Brawl, Brawl and more Brawl."

*hugs mewtwo :o

btw mewtwo and roy and some others ( toon zelda, another pokemon, blablabla)
are already in the game, they are just lacking geometry data, but most of you prolly already knew that.

[XanBcoo]

uhm what? thats what they are fuking called in the game, ive been playing it for the past 3 weeks, what else do you expect me to call em dumbass, you understood me just fine so move along.
I expect you to call them by their English names, that's what else :rolleyes:.


btw mewtwo and roy and some others ( toon zelda, another pokemon, blablabla)
are already in the game, they are just lacking geometry data, but most of you prolly already knew that.
Could you expand on this? Perhaps a source for that info? I honestly had no idea of any of that.

Also:

List of Techniques and Glitches that have been found so far (http://www.wifiwars.com/?q=node/174)

Nothing as Game-breaking as Wavedashing, but Peach makes me worry a little.

[Assertn]

Actually....snake's nerfed up B bothers me the most......
That really hurts him....

[darkmetal505]

Even if you don't want to "participate in battles" with me, you will most likely play someone who uses these techniques over the net especially seeing how much faster they will proliferate online.

[Ryllharu]

Way to ruin the game for everyone else really quickly tourneyfags...

I have to say, it's disgusting that the first thing so many of these people do after unlocking most of the characters (if they even waited that far) is to spend 80 hrs straight looking for exploits.

Neg rep me if you have to, but can't these types of people just enjoy the damn game like the rest of us? Nooooo, they need an "edge" that they happen to only be able to achieve consistently under highly controlled circumstances.

There's nothing to say Nintendo can't patch this game and remove a couple of these glitches. Darkshadow already posted the possibility that Sakurai would and quite possibly can update the game.

This is...after all, the first Nintendo console connected to the internet.

[Assertn]

Even if you don't want to "participate in battles" with me, you will most likely play someone who uses these techniques over the net especially seeing how much faster they will proliferate online.
Oh I've got plenty of friends who will own the game to never have to concern myself over random <hidden-name> opponent matches.

[XanBcoo]

Well I hope there's enough people left here to want to participate in Gotwoot Tournaments.

I was looking forward to doing a few of those.

[bagandscalpel]

Way to ruin the game for everyone else really quickly tourneyfags...

I have to say, it's disgusting that the first thing so many of these people do after unlocking most of the characters (if they even waited that far) is to spend 80 hrs straight looking for exploits.

Neg rep me if you have to, but can't these types of people just enjoy the damn game like the rest of us? Nooooo, they need an "edge" that they happen to only be able to achieve consistently under highly controlled circumstances.

There's nothing to say Nintendo can't patch this game and remove a couple of these glitches. Darkshadow already posted the possibility that Sakurai would and quite possibly can update the game.

This is...after all, the first Nintendo console connected to the internet.
Whoa, you make it sound like there are people out there whose purpose it is to ruin your Brawl experience.

First of all, there are no established "tourneyfags" for Brawl, yet- only those developed through Melee. And why is it so disgusting to play the game to see if the strategies of old that worked for some can still be found? Also, some glitches and the like for new games are usually discovered strictly by accident.

Besides, like Xan said in his post, there's nothing gamebreaking. You really only ought to be complaining if, say, it was discovered that there was a way to make every smash attack an instant KO in every instance.

[darkmetal505]

What I don't fully understand is why people dislike it when people play Melee competitively. It has literally no affect on their lives and how they play whatsoever. If I want to play Melee/Brawl with items and never do a single advanced move, then by all means I would do that, but I sure as hell wouldn't start cheering when I find out wavedashing and L-cancelling are removed. It obviously never had any bearing on how I played in the first place, so why would I care whether it was in or out? Similarly, I wouldn't start complaining when new techniques are discovered because I would never use them anyway.

Brawl definitely won't match the speed of Melee, which is one of the things I found really fun and made it into the competitive game it became. Granted some of these new techniques are ridiculous, but the ones that will help Brawl approach Melee's speed, I will gladly accept.

[Ryllharu]

First of all, there are no established "tourneyfags" for Brawl, yet- only those developed through Melee. And why is it so disgusting to play the game to see if the strategies of old that worked for some can still be found? Also, some glitches and the like for new games are usually discovered strictly by accident.You didn't hear the cry of relief from them when Final Destination was listed on the site?

I also assume they will carry over many of the same stage restrictions, and plenty new. Oh, New Pork City has a monster that can instant-kill out? Out. (Despite you largely knowing where it is, and thus making it a strategy to push your enemy into it). The characters not allowed will undoubtedly change, with all the balancing, but it's only a matter of time.

@darkmetal: It's not Melee, it's any fighting game. There's always a select few to even just that one guy who sucks all the fun out of every fighting game. Tekken? You can't use Eddie (okay, I will give them that one, since most Tekken games, I don't know about the newer ones, have no counter system). How about Guilty Gear? Can't use Instant Kills (despite how much skill is required to not miss, and the huge disadvantage if you do). Can't use EX modes, at all (despite damage not really being affected, only move lists). Soul Caliber? Can't use several stages, and a few characters.

All in the name of "playing competitively." It's a fighting game, a genre designed for the arcades and competitive play. There's always going to be some advantage or another. You can get around the majority of them if you really are as good as you claim to be.

[UChessmaster]

You didn't hear the cry of relief from them when Final Destination was listed on the site?

Nop, you can make your own stages...

Here`s an idea, we don`t whine about the way other people play the game, the game is customizable for a reason, there is an item off/on option for a reason, stage select for a reason, character select screen for a reason, personal preferences, let`s support them.

[bagandscalpel]

You didn't hear the cry of relief from them when Final Destination was listed on the site?

I also assume they will carry over many of the same stage restrictions, and plenty new. Oh, New Pork City has a monster that can instant-kill out? Out. (Despite you largely knowing where it is, and thus making it a strategy to push your enemy into it). The characters not allowed will undoubtedly change, with all the balancing, but it's only a matter of time.
Talking about stages, now? Again, no one is degrading the quality of the game by not allowing you, personally, to play in any stages. Honestly, if you disapprove of that "Final Destination only" rule in whatever tourney you attend that much, just start your own tournament with your own rules.

Also, I can only speak for Guilty Gear, but the reason those items you listed are (except for IKs, since anything console-only are banned) prohibited is because tourneys (for any fighting game) are generally ARCADE-version. Better case for EX mode would be that it's horrendously balanced- only few EX characters are worth using (EX Testament is bordering broken with insta-Warrant) and the rest are crap (EX Johnny? lol where's your damage options?).

[Carnage]

I would have to agree with Ryllharu, but only for the Super Smash Bros. series. For games like Tekken and Soul caliber, they seem to be meant to be played that competitively. But for such a game as Brawl, it just doesn't strike me as one that people should be fretting over for finding exploits. Its more of a goofy game with whacky scenarios and to me it feels that it should be played simply for the fun of it.

Not that I would stop other people from wasting their valuable time trying to find techniques such as wave-dashing, they can do what they want. But I'd be a little discouraged from playing with a group of people who are constantly on the look-out for new techniques to instant KO.

[XanBcoo]

I think finding exploits and glitches are completely incidental. There's nothing inherently wrong with that since I don't think people actually spend time trying to find some of that stuff. Maybe I'm just optimistic.

As for the BS rules that people make up, I'd just try to ignore them. Play with people you know you'll have fun with and do it by your own rules.

[bagandscalpel]

I would have to agree with Ryllharu, but only for the Super Smash Bros. series. For games like Tekken and Soul caliber, they seem to be meant to be played that competitively. But for such a game as Brawl, it just doesn't strike me as one that people should be fretting over for finding exploits. Its more of a goofy game with whacky scenarios and to me it feels that it should be played simply for the fun of it.
Actually, looking at the exploit vids that Xan posted, the nature of quite a few of those glitches are "goofy" and "whacky," so it fits in line with how you describe Brawl. Afterall, you can't have a fun PvP game without ever once shouting out "THAT'S BULLSHIT!" and having a fine laugh over it.

[6Zabuza9]

i'll admit it now. im definitely gonna try falco's infinite lazer lock when i get the game. it looks so funny

[Ryllharu]

I will gladly concede that most of the Brawl glitches are just for fun, but I can't help but see that in those videos, the people doing them were hunting for competitive exploits (except maybe the Jumbo Jiggly, which certainly happened by accident). Someone was looking for an alternative to wavedashing, which we all knew was gone (not that I ever even bothered to learn it, I only play with friends).

[Carnage]

Well I was referring more to wave-dashing... some of the glitches shown in the link above were obvious and didn't really take much time to figure out at all :\

[XanBcoo]

Afterall, you can't have a fun PvP game without ever once shouting out "THAT'S BULLSHIT!" and having a fine laugh over it.
I remember the old forum engine had a way you could post "answers" to threads.

If we still had that option, this quote would be the answer.

[Assertn]

A joke gets stale after so many times....

[bagandscalpel]

A joke gets stale after so many times....
Which is why instead of always getting caught off-guard by the same tricks and bitching about them, you learn and develop methods to get around them.

[Assertn]

That usually involves dedicating weeks on the smashboards and learn the exploits yourself

[Dark Dragon]

That usually involves dedicating weeks on the smashboards and learn the exploits yourself

Actually that is not true at all. The best counter measure vs any tourneyfag is to turn off the game when you finally realize you are playing one.

[bagandscalpel]

Alas, taking games as SERIOUS BUSINESS is a vicious cycle, for serious.

[Raven]

Well, there's still no official release date for this game in Australia, but apparently it will be at least May/June before it gets here. Sucks to be me!

[sangai]

i can't wait till the 9th..even though ill have it on the 2nd... lol GF for my buddy thats admin at the game store.

[LaZie]

I was just playing Brawl at a friend's house last night and it was awesome. Time flew by so fast and before you know it, it was midnight.

[Knives122]

Little bit of info but it seems gamestop/ebgames will be doing a tournament for the game on this upcoming saturday. It will apparently be happening everywhere, so I suggest you call your local store and find out if they'll be doing it.

Winner gets $5000, plasma tv and a wi with games and shit. (http://www.ebgames.com/gs/ssbb/tournament/default.asp)

[Assertn]

Little bit of info but it seems gamestop/ebgames will be doing a tournament for the game on this upcoming saturday. It will apparently be happening everywhere, so I suggest you call your local store and find out if they'll be doing it.

Winner gets $5000, plasma tv and a wi with games and shit. (http://www.ebgames.com/gs/ssbb/tournament/default.asp)
Interesting....but obviously all the prizes will go to the people who started playing the japanese version a month ago.

[Assertn]

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[Phoenix20578]

Hahahahhaaha, that was great.

Someone brought the brawl port over to school yesterday. I ended up skipping my two classes and playing all day. The smash ball really changes everything about the game.

BTW, Lucus' final smash is broken, and Ike is just broken in general.

[XanBcoo]

Today's the day.

Let's go, gentlemen...

[Ryllharu]

Picked mine up midnight Sunday morning (before the DST change) and played it for a solid twelve hours today. Got plenty more of unlocking to do, but I'm extremely pleased with the results.

- Added some real power to Zelda, now it more than makes up for her somewhat pokey speed, and Sheik got a good rounding too. I don't remember her being able to cling to walls Ninja Gaiden style in Melee, but it's certainly welcome here.

- Zero Suit Samus is a nice mix of Sheik and with a little bit of Zelda. Really floaty at times, zips around at others, and some nice range on her side and up smashes. Should be a good mix for me.

- Olimar eludes me. I can't figure out exactly how he works.

- Metaknight is SICK. Not my type, but I know plenty of people who will find him right up their alley.

I'm sure plenty of people have said it, but Final Smashes really do change the entire mechanics of a brawl. The camera even focuses right on it, and then everyone makes a mad dash towards it and things get really nasty. That, and there's tons of other things to do, and Subspace Emissary adds even more to an already full and practically flawless game.

[Assertn]

33% of subspace beaten so far....

[Carnage]

Fuck I have to wait until Wednesday to get it and Friday to play it.....I feel dead inside :(

[RedX1z]

My mind is mentally fucked from the great game.

I'm planning to unlock every last damn thing for this game tonight! On second thought, that might be impossible with the given time frame..

[LaZie]

Fuck I have to wait until Wednesday to get it and Friday to play it.....I feel dead inside :(

I don't even have a Wii :mad:

[Dark Dragon]

I got the game at the midnight release. Unlocked Sonic after about 8-9 hours and then passed out. Just woke up so it's time to go play some more.

I am liking Ike a lot, his side smashes are totally broken because of the ridiculous range on them and his Final Smash is eye candy.

I have very few complaints with the game because it's pretty well rounded. I'm just annoy that they remove characters like Roy and Mewtwo but then go and add Lucario and Star Wolf. Wolf is pretty much the same as fox, hell one of fox costume looks exactly like wolf and Lucario is just mewtwo with two different moves so i don't see why they couldn't include all of the old characters since they are really just adding newer clones.


Ganon still doesn't have his own set of moves since they all still work exactly the same as cap falcon.

[Assertn]

here's my friend code:
3093-6765-4325

[Knives122]

Well me and my brother have 85% of SSE done, and have every character except Jiggly, Wolf (there may be one more).

Wii Number: 1946 0281 1987 1144
Brawl code: 0860 2913 6600

[XanBcoo]

Oh man I love Lucas so much he might become my new main. The way he plays reminds me of Pikachu from the fist game.

Also I love that Sheik has been given more lag time in between her moves.

This is so great.

[Assertn]

zero-suit samus is hot. Her abilities aren't too bad either.

unlocked marth, falcon, falco, and lucario
47% of the emissary complete.
105 trophies
104 stickers

Supposedly there's over 500 trophies to collect? The subspace emissary ones will take forever.....even finding a base is annoying enough, but holding on to it until you find an enemy you want and then successfully catching the enemy is even worse. I think I've failed in most of my attempts so far...

Anyway, I'm done for the night.

[darkshadow]

glad you guys are enjoying it, lawl ;o

[masamuneehs]

well, i haven't done much reading up on Brawl, but I went to play it at a friend's house yesterday, and I was really pretty disappointed in something that you all who have been fervently following it are probably going to say, "What's the big deal about?"

The buttons and control stick are the only inputs? Fucking weak.
The game plays well and all, and it looks nicer and even the loading speeds are surprisingly good for a supposedly "fully loaded disc".
But I can't help but think something is wrong when I play this game and think to myself, "I wish I was playing Rampage..."

One step forward, two steps back.

It's Melee, but with Supers, a few tweaks to some old characters, a few fun new ones (I enjoy Wario and Meta Knight to an unhealthy degree), new stages, a few new items (the Smash ball and those rockets being great ones), and better graphics and a more indepth, movie heavy "campaign" mode. Oh, and some more flexibility with the rules.

I'm very much reminded of Halo 3, where there was a huge fan base and a great wave of anxiousness leading up to the launch date. Tons of fanboyist legions led the dimwitted round of applause that met it. But it was really just Halo 2 with a few new bells and whistles and looking nicer on your screen.

Sure, they made it better. It's hard to fuck up something as fun as Smash, and with the time they've had, what they've brought us is, in my eyes, the bare bones minimum they could have done to re-sell a re-named version of Melee 2.0.

I'm not saying it's not fun, because it's tons of fun. It's still a good game. It doesn't meet my expectations though, because apparently the developers couldn't even get their hands on a Wii to know what system they were making it for. It's not a Wii game. It's a Gamecube game packaged to be played on the Wii.

Or maybe I'm getting all upset over nothing because there's a setting we've yet to unlock that lets you use the Wii's motion sensors for input?

[Assertn]

the custom level editor alone is worth the upgrade.

I only wish it came out 3 years ago.

[XanBcoo]

Or maybe I'm getting all upset over nothing because there's a setting we've yet to unlock that lets you use the Wii's motion sensors for input?
Shaking the Wiimote lets you do smash attacks. There, you've got your "Wii experience". I'm sticking to using my Wavebird.

The rest of what you're saying is pretty dumb. Just as Melee was Smash 2.0, Brawl is Melee 2.0. It's called a sequel.


the custom level editor alone is worth the upgrade.
My dream of making a stage consisting of nothing but a big 'ol ladder down the middle of a massive room was stomped upon by the game's insistence that I have a "floor".

I stuck 4 blocks down at the bottom to satisfy the requirement, but still...not quite the same :(.

I wish I had wireless so I could download the awesome ones I know will be soon to come.

[darkmetal505]

God damn, this great maze is taking forever.

[deadlydreamx]

yo anyone made it to the final boss yet? how the fuck u avoid its freakin circle of doom?! lol

[Assertn]

Been working on various other things....
I beat most of the first 20 event modes on hard, the rest on normal...
Also did some of the challenges involving targets and home-run contest.

[darkmetal505]

yo anyone made it to the final boss yet? how the fuck u avoid its freakin circle of doom?! lol

As far as I can tell, you can't. At least at relatively low percentages you can survive the attack by air dodging to cancel some of your momentum. Just slap a bunch of weapon stickers on fox and blast the hell out of him.

[toonice714]

I finally unlocked everything!! Yo if anyone wants to fight some time my friend code is 421037025964.

We should start a gotwoot tourney or something. the only bad thing about online is that it is 2min matches and the rules are only able to be customized in friend matches and its kinda laggy. but still we should play

[XanBcoo]

Yeah, a tournament would be a fun thing to organize in a week or two when everyone (in the U.S.) who's probably going to get the game will have the game.

Me and my friend just played through the 20 co-op event matches on Hard. We played until about 4 in the morning, but just couldn't beat the last one where you have to beat every character. It's a son of a bitch. Should probably come back to it when we're not so tired.

Also got 2,011 feet on the Homerun contest using Yoshi and DK simultaneously. I'm sure we could do better on that too.

[toonice714]

well if anybody wants get some friendlys goin im usually on after work at about 10 pm on till like 2. its kinda hard to get matches so i stay on for a while but yeah lets brawl sometime

[XanBcoo]

'Kay, I've added the friend codes that I've read so far into the first post.

I haven't been using the Wii that I'll be using regularly, so I'll add mine in later. Has anyone else tried playing online?

[Knives122]

I have the first day it was nigh impossible to do, but now I can usually get one on the first or second try.

There's usually a 3/8 of a second delay give or take between the action you want to do.

[UChessmaster]

3007-7396-5417

[darkmetal505]

The delay online is very difficult to get used to.

[Assertn]

yeahhh......

I mean.....
http://www.speedtest.net/result/245913417.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

it can't be my service that's the bottleneck....
Either I've just been playing people with slower ISPs or Nintendo keeps itself as an active point between us.

[darkmetal505]

ok good, it's not my speed either then

http://www.speedtest.net/result/246006990.png

The actual gameplay was fine, it was just that each attack seemed buffered by a second or so.

[deadlydreamx]

http://www.speedtest.net/result/246117327.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

yea it cant be based on personal conection cuz i had a couple games that were just ridiculous iono y

[XanBcoo]

I can't fucking beat the Event Match where you have to "climb" DK's stage as Zelda. I swear I must have tried it at least 40 times and can only get up to the bit where the bi-plane appears.

I also had trouble with the other DK-stage event match, where you have to beat Lucario and Sheik. It's just that stage. I hate it so much. It's even worse than the Ice Climber's stage from Melee, only more obnoxious because of the traps.

[Assertn]

I cleared most of the event matches on hard....and then got bored of the "you vs all the hidden characters!!" events they kept giving me in the last batch, so I just finished those up on easy. Fortunately, for the ones that matter (ie. challenge rewards), I completed them on hard.

Now I get the pleasure of beating classic mode, boss mode, and all-star mode with all 35ish characters.... :|

[Abdula]

I can't fucking beat the Event Match where you have to "climb" DK's stage as Zelda. I swear I must have tried it at least 40 times and can only get up to the bit where the bi-plane appears.

I also had trouble with the other DK-stage event match, where you have to beat Lucario and Sheik. It's just that stage. I hate it so much. It's even worse than the Ice Climber's stage from Melee, only more obnoxious because of the traps.

Weird I had the exact same problems only took me about 6 tries max though and yeah I agree with you that stage just sucks.


Now I get the pleasure of beating classic mode, boss mode, and all-star mode with all 35ish characters.... :|

Snake, Olimar and Rob are just unplayable I don't even know why they are in the game I'm sure they could have got some better characters to fill those slots.

[Ryllharu]

Are you using Zelda's teleport? I only failed that mission once when I teleported into the large spike above one of the bridges. As long as you know where you're going and aim the teleport properly, it should be fairly easy.

You can't jump your way up, Zelda is far too floaty and slow for that. By the time she lands from a jump you'll be at the bottom of the screen. Effective movement with Zelda is always about teleporting.

[High Wind]

Snake, Olimar and Rob are just unplayable I don't even know why they are in the game I'm sure they could have got some better characters to fill those slots.

I'll agree with you on Olimar and Rob, but I've found Snake to be a really good character. I've seen amazing things done with snakes Proximity and remote mines. If you fight with some one who knows Snakes moves well, he can be a formidable opponent.

[Genma]

Snake, Olimar and Rob are just unplayable I don't even know why they are in the game I'm sure they could have got some better characters to fill those slots.

WTF????

R.O.B is uber powerful, can take hits like no other, and has some pretty badass attacks. When I use him I have a tendency to pwn.

Snake is decent. His A attacks are pretty damn powerful though.

Olimar is just a fun character to play.

Maybe you should learn to play the characters before totally bashing them.

[KoKo37]

I can't fucking beat the Event Match where you have to "climb" DK's stage as Zelda. I swear I must have tried it at least 40 times and can only get up to the bit where the bi-plane appears.
I transformed into Sheik for that event, if you transform as soon as it slows down for a bit, you can get back in time, after that it's fairly easy.

What I'm getting annoyed at myself is that killing 10 Cruel guys challenge. In my many tries I killed 9 twice, 8 three times, and 7 three times with Kirby, after that I just turned it off, always seems like when I need one or two more rocks I blow it. Frustrating.


As for the characters, personally I think Olimar is fairly good, all of his smash attacks have long range, and work very well together, his front+b can dish out damage pretty fast, and his grab and up+b have good range as well. Snake I find good too, although at the start he can be a little hard to use as you got to get use to his smash attacks, and you got to work on the timing of detonating the mines. As for R.O.B. I haven't really played him that much, so I can't really judge.

So far my favorite characters are Diddy, Captain Falcon and Olimar. The Pokemon Trainer is pretty fun as well.


Oh-- and I'll be getting the internet adapter thing soon, hopefully I can play a few rounds with you guys when I get it.

[XanBcoo]

I don't love them, but I think R.O.B. and Olimar are pretty good with their aerial attacks at the very least. They're not exactly unusable.

I'm at Event number 29 now (having beaten the Zelda one on Normal instead of Hard) and waiting for one of my roommates to show up so I can play through more of Subspace Emissary and unlock the rest of the characters/Event matches.

[Carnage]

Im beginning to like Snake and the Pokemon Trainer more and more. They're a lot of fun to play with. But I think my best characters are Ike, Captain Falcon, Link/Toon Link, and possibly Lucario once I begin playing with him. I can't seem to like Olimar though.

[darkmetal505]

Olimar is a beast because his aerials have priority and his grab is insane. I've been trying to mess around with Fox, but he's been nerfed to badly to make any safe approaches on opponents. Shine spiking is a lot harder to hit also.

I really like Toon Link though. His short hop double bair is really good. Out of PT, I think Ivysaur has the most potential, although Squirtle is my best.

[Assertn]

I like Samus, Zero Suit Samus, Pit, and Ike the most so far.
Although for multi-man melee and subspace emissary I really like Marth as well.

[toonice714]

Snake is really good man then is wolf by a lot. but all i gotta say is that falco got NERFED!! he sucks now

[Abdula]

WTF????

R.O.B is uber powerful, can take hits like no other, and has some pretty badass attacks. When I use him I have a tendency to pwn.

Snake is decent. His A attacks are pretty damn powerful though.

Olimar is just a fun character to play.

Maybe you should learn to play the characters before totally bashing them.

I know how to play with them rather well as a matter of fact which is exactly why I'm bashing them. I even play with Olimar quite often but I still say it would have been better if they were replaced with other characters. I wouldn't consider myself to be good at Smash if I couldn't play well with every character, unplayable or not.

Speaking of mains for me there are four tiers in smash. Marth, Ike&Link, Lucario&Zelda and everyone else.

[XanBcoo]

Funny, I've become embarrassingly bad with Sheik in Brawl but I'm now really good with Zelda. I'm really feeling the changes they made to those two.

Does no one else like Lucas as much as I do??

[toonice714]

i like lucas. his moves are just cooler like they have an anime like fighting style to them. and sheik<zelda. If Snake=america and america=awesome then Snake=awesome.

honestly though i think all the characters are fairly balanced. When i found the tournament side of melee it was fun for a bit but it eventually dulled the game for me. It seemed like all of the casuals that i would play with my friends turned into very safe tournament play. it wasnt fun after awhile. it got annoying to see marth fox falco and shiek in every other fight( i mained mario and fox btw). Getting to the point, i think im going to enjoy this game items and all for awhile before i decide to go and break the game with tournament style play. The special brawl is so pliable. You can mix and match so many different brawls that it might almost turn out to be like the Wii equivallent of halo 3.

[sangai]

my friend code 455396937013

kirby best toon of course, burn through classic mode on hard in 8 mins... i feel like link was nerfed..im still gettin used to the game considering i havn't played since the original..


*crys no one wants to be my friend

[Assertn]

Current Collection Status:
332 trophies
471 stickers

I read somewhere that there's about 540 trophies total, and 700 stickers... man this will take a while.

Also, I'd have to say....by far the coolest trophy I have is Zero Suit Samus's all-star trophy. I was running through the mode as Power Suit Samus but then the second from the last battle I got a smash ball that made me lose my suit, and it stayed off for the final match.

[conquistaDan]

You know I've been watching fights of this game through some videos on MLG pros website, and I have to say....it's not bad. I honestly don't like sonic though. Way to fast, way to sensitive. And not nearly enough stuff to fight with. I do agree with Assert that Ike is one of the best. Although I don't like how they replaced Roy, he is a good replacement. Very strong. Attacks are kind of slow, but very strong. I heard Snake is only good if you know how to actually use his all of his weaponry. I mean all of it. Is lucario even decent? I mean Mewtwo was kind of a let down from the last game, but is his replacement any better?

[Nadouku]

Eh, forget my original idea, since it was shot down the drain.