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DB_Hunter
Mon, 04-23-2007, 11:13 AM
Since this is a contentious issue that has not been completely put to rest I am creating this thread. It will allow people to continue to discuss this topic without dragging episode specific threads off topic. Use the poll to allow everyone to get a quick summary of where people are leaning towards on this forum.

For my two cents, there are strong arguments on both sides. Yes, Kenpachi has said his sword is in unsealed state like Ichigo's. However, we know that even Ichigo could not unseal his swod despite his blade being chopped off until he found out its name.

So my official position is: I don't know.

Turkish-S
Mon, 04-23-2007, 12:05 PM
i say no.. but i think it will become a chainsaw!!! when the time is there.

DeathscytheVII
Mon, 04-23-2007, 12:18 PM
I say yes

1.) Shikai has already been established as an initial release, and bankai as the final. If the sword ain't sealed, then its in constant release, as Zaraki himself pointed out. So i would say it fulfills the first release requirement.

2.) His power forced the sword into release, and in DB's words, his zanpaktou has been 'violated' ;) how else can you explain all that screaming we heard from his zanpaktou during his fight with ichigo

3.) I say its a shikai, but an incomplete one. He's in release but has no access to any higher level attacks. Similar to the way the arrancar says Hitsugaya's bankai is incomplete, only the incompleteness is impeding his attack strength. This is also like the example where even if Ichigo knew zangetsu's name, he still had no clue that he could do that spinning on the hilt attack that hollow ichigo had access to. So you can even argue that ichigo's shikai is incomplete.

Assassin
Mon, 04-23-2007, 01:40 PM
if kenpachi's sword is in a permenant shikai form then every other shinigami with a normal katana also has thier sword in permenant shikai.

The only reason ichigo started with a released form was cuz he didn't know how to restrict his reitsu. Kenpachi is not the same. he even has that eye patch wich lowers his reitsu all the time. If he had shikai, his sword wouldn't be a normal katana. Thats like the most basic element of a shikai, that it looks/does something different instead of just cutting. If its a beat up katana, then its not a shikai. Stop assuming things for no reason.

mage
Mon, 04-23-2007, 02:12 PM
It is not a shikai.

animus
Mon, 04-23-2007, 02:20 PM
It is not a shikai. He says he doesn't know it's name, and that's the big hint that it's NOT shikai. Ichigo's zanpaktou was just a huge katana, and until he learned the name of Zangetsu, he couldn't release. Though, it's in permanent shikai right now.

Munsu
Mon, 04-23-2007, 02:21 PM
if kenpachi's sword is in a permenant shikai form then every other shinigami with a normal katana also has thier sword in permenant shikai.

The only reason ichigo started with a released form was cuz he didn't know how to restrict his reitsu. Kenpachi is not the same. he even has that eye patch wich lowers his reitsu all the time. If he had shikai, his sword wouldn't be a normal katana. Thats like the most basic element of a shikai, that it looks/does something different instead of just cutting. If its a beat up katana, then its not a shikai. Stop assuming things for no reason.
No one is assuming here, you're the one assuming. The people that are saying that his sword is constantly released are using facts from the series. Ichigo's constantly released zanpakutou has nothing to do with him not being able to control his reiatsu, it simply the nature of his zanpakutou. And even if it has to do with him not being able to control it, there's nothing stopping Zaraki from doing the same, especially with the amount of reiatsu he has.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7540/mangarainbleachch10915ql0.th.png (http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mangarainbleachch10915ql0.png) http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2268/mangarainbleachch10916pj0.th.png (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mangarainbleachch10916pj0.png) http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8696/mangarainbleachch10917ga9.th.png (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mangarainbleachch10917ga9.png) http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7537/mangarainbleachch12007bu2.th.png (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mangarainbleachch12007bu2.png)

In the series, it has never been said that Kenpachi hasn't reached Shikai, but it has been said over and over how he doesn't have Bankai, there has to be a reason for the omission of saying that he doesn't have shikai if he indeed doesn't have it. Everything is pointing towards his zanpakutou being in the first release state.

DB_Hunter
Mon, 04-23-2007, 02:51 PM
Hang on there might be a loop hole there. Kenpachi is saying that HE hasn't put any seal on it because it won't be strong enough to contain his spirit pressure. Yet looking at all the other Shinigami the seal's on their swords are not put there by them, they are simply released by them once they know the name of the sword. It seems that maybe Kenpachi doesn't understand seals on Zanpaktou's, which is maybe why he has not been able draw upon the power of his sword so far.

Munsu
Mon, 04-23-2007, 03:01 PM
That can be also poor editing by the part of the releasing group. Ichigo said that his Zanpakutou being constantly released is the same as Kenpachi, and if it wasn't Yoruichi should've corrected him, but she didn't and that's the important part.

DeathscytheVII
Mon, 04-23-2007, 03:51 PM
f kenpachi's sword is in a permenant shikai form then every other shinigami with a normal katana also has thier sword in permenant shikai.

The only reason ichigo started with a released form was cuz he didn't know how to restrict his reitsu. Kenpachi is not the same. he even has that eye patch wich lowers his reitsu all the time. If he had shikai, his sword wouldn't be a normal katana. Thats like the most basic element of a shikai, that it looks/does something different instead of just cutting. If its a beat up katana, then its not a shikai. Stop assuming things for no reason.

kenpachi's sword ISN"t a normal katana, it has that beat up look to it. All sealed katana have that same clean blade at least. And there is grounds for what im saying, its all in the dialogue. Besides, as Munsu pointed out, no one has even stated that kenpachi isn't at shikai, they just say he can't reach bankai. Its implied that he's at shikai already.

Shikai is a release state, it doesnt matter if the sword doesn't look/does something different as long as its a release, then its a shikai. The crazy moves and higher level attacks come from mastering shikai.

Also there can be slight differences, just like how Ichigo's bankai looks like a normal zanpaktou, but black. Why can't kenpachi's be a little torn down? it certainly fits his persona. He also said it was the true form of his zanpaktou.

From wiki:

The initial release (始解, shikai?) is the first "upgraded" form available to a zanpakutō. To activate it, the shinigami needs to learn the name of their zanpakutō. This is not as simple as simply picking a name, as the living spirit of the zanpakutō chooses its own name. Therefore, the shinigami must be able to communicate with their zanpakutō effectively. Achievement of the initial release is a mark of expert control of a zanpakutō, and it appears to be a requirement for advancement within the shinigami ranks, as most seated officers and presumably all lieutenants are capable of the initial release.

After first learning the zanpakutō's name, the initial release can be performed at will simply by speaking a command followed by the zanpakutō's name. The command phrase varies between users and often relates to the zanpakutō's signature ability, or hints at the nature of its spirit. This step may be bypassed by expert shinigami, usually those who are at least approaching discovery of their final release. In rare cases, a zanpakutō, once released, will remain in that state and will not have a sealed state. Such zanpakutō are described as a full-time released form type.


These two forms, known as the initial release and the final release, are akin to "upgrades" for the zanpakutō, giving it abilities far beyond that of its simple use as a sword. Shinigami usually carry their zanpakutō in the sealed state and activate the released forms as necessary. Shinigami with zanpakutō of the constant-release type, such as Ichigo Kurosaki and Kenpachi Zaraki,[1] are unable to seal their zanpakutō and therefore carry them in released form constantly.

mage
Mon, 04-23-2007, 04:16 PM
Wikipedia isn't exactly a reputable source.

NeoCybercoin
Mon, 04-23-2007, 04:30 PM
Correct me if im wrong BUT all unsealed Zanpaktou have a greyish edge and a black back. In the Manga Zaraki's Zanpaktou has that like Munsu shown before. But I don't recall his Zanpaktou being like that in the anime.

There's no way that his Zanpaktou is Shikai. Even if it is a Full-Release type he still needs to know the name of it. And as he clearly stated when Ichigo beat him and he was with Yachiru on the roof. That he wanted to know his Zanpaktou's name.

Assassin
Mon, 04-23-2007, 04:33 PM
kenpachi's sword ISN"t a normal katana, it has that beat up look to it. All sealed katana have that same clean blade at least. And there is grounds for what im saying, its all in the dialogue. Besides, as Munsu pointed out, no one has even stated that kenpachi isn't at shikai, they just say he can't reach bankai. Its implied that he's at shikai already.

Shikai is a release state, it doesnt matter if the sword doesn't look/does something different as long as its a release, then its a shikai. The crazy moves and higher level attacks come from mastering shikai.

Also there can be slight differences, just like how Ichigo's bankai looks like a normal zanpaktou, but black. Why can't kenpachi's be a little torn down? it certainly fits his persona. He also said it was the true form of his zanpaktou.

From wiki:

1. his katana is beat up cuz he's been fighting all his life.

2. it does matter that the sword looks and does something different. so far, we haven't seen a single shikai that looked exactly like a normal katana, or that had no special ability. to say that its possible to have an unchanging shikai is going against everything we've seen so far. In addition, every shikai we've seen was activated by calling out the name, and we know that kenpachi doesn't know the name of his sword. Again, all evidence suggests that calling out the name is a requirement for shikai.

3. How does a torn down sword fit his persona? his persona is that of a monster with nearly infinite reatsu. it would fit his persona if his sword was more like ichigo's shikai, or ikkaku's bankai. Also, with ichigo's bankai, the black sword is a major attribute. Also, it was explain that the power of his bankai goes towards increasing his speed. Kenpachi has shown no such characteristics.

4. Him saying that its the swords true form doesnt mean much. It could just as easily be translated as "my swords only form"....which actually he says in the panel above anyway. If all he has is the very basic katana, then that beat up look would be called its "true form" by default. additionally, we know that the real "true form" is the essence of the soul cutter, like old man zangetsu for ichigo, or that babboon for renji...so the beat up katana cant be the true form in the real sense.

5. wiki's explanations are about as legitimate as any on this forum. nothing on there can be considered as proof of anything.


in the series, it has never been said that Kenpachi hasn't reached Shikai, but it has been said over and over how he doesn't have Bankai, there has to be a reason for the omission of saying that he doesn't have shikai if he indeed doesn't have it

It's been said over and over again that he doesn't have bankai because he's a captain, its its a known fact that to be a captain, a bankai is a requirement. The emphasis on the lack of a bankai is to show that he's strong as a captian even without one. The reason no one ever said that he doesn't have shikai is probably cuz the topic never came up. The only time we hear about his shikai/bankai is when he explains it to ichigo during the fight (where there is no evidence suggesting he has shikai), and when someone explained the 2 ways of becoming a captain.

Munsu
Mon, 04-23-2007, 05:57 PM
I think you missed the last picture I put on my post. Ichigo compares his constantly released zanpakutou to Kenpachi's, and that's all the evidence we need at the moment.

And you can't compare Kenpachi's situation to the "laws" as how they've been explained in Bleach, he's a unique character with unique circumstances. His zanpakutou is constantly released, now is he drawing the full power of that shikai? No, because he doesn't know the name of it. Just like Ichigo could use getsuga tenshou without knowing the name of Zangetsu, given it wasn't as powerful as when he finally learned the name and could actually control it.

darkmetal505
Mon, 04-23-2007, 10:15 PM
Kenpachi hasn't been fighting the longest out of everyone in SS. Sure, he puts more pressure and force into his strikes, but I hardly think that accounts for the serrated edges. Shinigami swords endure this wear and tear they are subjected to and seem to stay in good shape, and I don't find Kenpachi's to be any different. His sword might be stuck in an attempt to go shikai seeing as how Kenpachi does not know his Zanpaktou's name, but it doesn't look like an unreleased form.

mage
Mon, 04-23-2007, 10:40 PM
Kenpachi's sword is all busted up because he doesn't know how to tap into it's abilities. Normally, when a zanpakutou is damaged, it's able to heal itself like Ichigo's in his fight vs Kenpachi when it was cut in half. He doesn't even know its name, so it can't heal itself, much less be a shikai.

Even if it were a shikai, what difference would it make? All it does is cut like a normal sword.

DeathscytheVII
Tue, 04-24-2007, 01:38 AM
I know wiki is a questionable source at best, but i referenced it because it at least made a large number of footnotes from the manga itself and the official guidebook, which has stated that Kenpachi's zanpaktou is in a constantly released state, just like Ichigo's!


Bleach Official Character Book SOULs; page 258.

Kraco
Tue, 04-24-2007, 02:22 AM
Kenpachi's sword is all busted up because he doesn't know how to tap into it's abilities. Normally, when a zanpakutou is damaged, it's able to heal itself like Ichigo's in his fight vs Kenpachi when it was cut in half. He doesn't even know its name, so it can't heal itself, much less be a shikai.

Even if it were a shikai, what difference would it make? All it does is cut like a normal sword.

I don't know why Kenpachi's sword looks so worn. Sometimes I have thought it's because he doesn't know its name - but not so that it couldn't heal itself but rather as a sign of a protest. Zaraki has abused it for ages without bothering to know anything about it. However, it can heal itself just fine, because it was cut nicely in half in the final clash of Ichigo and Kenpachi. If it couldn't heal itself at all, Zaraki would have been fighting with a dagger for the rest of his days. But such wasn't his fate and later against Tousen it was just fine.

And we have no idea what is his zanpakutou's true power. While it could be in a contant released form one thing seems to be sure: It's not possible to use the actual shikai powers without knowing the name. It took Ichigo long enough to master his shikai even with knowing the name. Before that he just used it all the time like an unreleased zanpakutou.

EpyonNext
Tue, 04-24-2007, 08:49 AM
I'm failing to see whats the big deal here, Kenpachi has already stated that his sword is unsealed.

mage
Tue, 04-24-2007, 09:58 AM
However, it can heal itself just fine, because it was cut nicely in half in the final clash of Ichigo and Kenpachi. If it couldn't heal itself at all, Zaraki would have been fighting with a dagger for the rest of his days.

Kenpachi's sword wasn't cut in half or even damaged in that fight, Ichigo's was.

StillAlive
Tue, 04-24-2007, 10:44 AM
Not even damaged... :p
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5345/lunarbleach405e0ebd0500ic3.jpg

Edit:
Now if you look at this image you can see that Zaraki's soulslayer doesn't look like a normal, sealed one: It has a white bandage wrapped around its handle like Ichigo's constant released shikai-zangetsu and its guard doesn't look normal, too. Not to speak of its damaged style that fits Zaraki's scar-addiction pretty well.
Now I'm not sure about this but didn't Kenpachi say his sword doesn't even have a name? Maybe he simply is going to give it a name himself - just as he did with his own and Yachiru's name :D .

Kraco
Tue, 04-24-2007, 10:54 AM
Kenpachi's sword wasn't cut in half or even damaged in that fight, Ichigo's was.

Really? Peculiar. Care to explain this, then?

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4854/notbrokenbutstirredgz3.jpg

(In case you can't explain it otherwise than by saying: I got owned, it's episode 40, around 2:14 or so.)

Ryllharu
Tue, 04-24-2007, 12:33 PM
It was my understanding that Kenpachi never even thought about his sword as anything other than to hack things apart with. To him, it was always just a tool. He had never even thought about looking deeper into it until Ichigo defeated him. That's why it became so worn away, he neither cared for it or considered it.

As for it's unique appearance, the lowest state of every shinigami zanpakutou is unique. Since the beginning of the series. Look back through it or even through the manga. The details are often small, but they are there. Kenpachi simply becoming a shinigami gave his zanpakutou a unique appearance. Ichigo's very first version had a slightly different guard the moment he took Rukia's powers, in addition to being obviously larger.

Kenpachi's zanpakutou is not in shikai. Only Ichigo's is in permanent Shikai because he's too much of a moron to suppress it. (Plus, it is also a convenient device to make him easier for the audience to recognize.)

animus
Tue, 04-24-2007, 01:02 PM
I liked how at the beginning of the show everyone made all the hustle and bustle about Ichigo's zanpaktou being so massive and how it's a sign of his massive reiatsu. Now no one even cares about that, and his reiatsu's not even considered high anymore.

Kenpachi knew his zanpaktou's name at one point but he forgot it, he probably released it and forgot it due to him only thinking it's a tool, and since he was so strong didn't bother to have it go shikai ever maybe. *shrug* Ichigo learned Zangetsu's name, released him, had it in constant permanent release and still has not forgotten the name. So I do believe Kenpachi MIGHT have had been able to release shikai at one point, but I do not beleive that is the case anymore.

Munsu
Tue, 04-24-2007, 02:47 PM
I just don't see how you guys can ignore how Zaraki mentions that his sword is unsealed and Ichigo then tells Yoruichi that both of their zanpakutous are the same, and she doesn't deny it. Zaraki further explains how his reiatsu is so big and strong that he forced it to become unsealed, and that it's impossible to seal it given his reiatsu. These are facts from the series, and you guys can't ignore them or deny them at your convinience.

There's a big difference between a constantly released zanpakutou and him being able to use the powers and abilities of said zanpakutou and it's shikai.

The only difference between him and Ichigo, is that Ichigo fights with Zangetsu, while Zaraki fights alone with his forced released zanpakutou, hence he can't tap into the abilities his zanpakutou may be able to offer.

Just as an aside, has it been implied that Zaraki lost his memories? I know he didn't have a name when he found Yachiru, and that's when he decided to use Kenpachi has his name. I don't know if his past has been explained further, only that he gave her the name Yachiru because it was the name of the only person he ever cared for.

mage
Tue, 04-24-2007, 03:55 PM
Really? Peculiar. Care to explain this, then?

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4854/notbrokenbutstirredgz3.jpg

(In case you can't explain it otherwise than by saying: I got owned, it's episode 40, around 2:14 or so.)
Oh, I only checked up to the end of 39. Guess your theory makes sense, then.

ForteCross
Tue, 04-24-2007, 11:51 PM
well... there is another point of view... when kenpachi killed yachiru's parents, and when he fought with ikaku... he didnt have shinigamis cloth... either of the three... not yachiru, ikaku and kenpachi... so i though that at that time there were not shinigamis at all... only spirits with high reiatsu in SS... and then kenpachi have already that katana... so i dont think that it is a shinigami sword... just a sword he used to pick fights....this is only based on the anime... so im not sure if those flashbacks were in the manga

Assassin
Wed, 04-25-2007, 02:00 AM
the ikkaku flashbacks weren't. but ya its possible thats the same sword he had since before he became a shinigami.....though his lack of caring about his weapons indicates that he has no attachment to it, so theres no reason to assume he wouldn't just toss it if it got too busted up.

StillAlive
Wed, 04-25-2007, 07:05 AM
well... there is another point of view... when kenpachi killed yachiru's parents, and when he fought with ikaku... he didnt have shinigamis cloth... either of the three... not yachiru, ikaku and kenpachi... so i though that at that time there were not shinigamis at all... only spirits with high reiatsu in SS... and then kenpachi have already that katana... so i dont think that it is a shinigami sword... just a sword he used to pick fights....this is only based on the anime... so im not sure if those flashbacks were in the manga
I'm not sure but I don't think Zaraki killed Yachiru's parents. They were killed by some thugs I guess. :confused:
It is very difficult to say whether Zaraki, Yachiru and Ikkaku were shinigami or not before they joined the 11th Division.

My view of things so far: If you look at "being a shinigami" is doing the job of one they definitely weren't shinigamis. But if you consider having the powers of a shinigami makes you a shinigami then they were freakin' shinigamis... I dont't think that just anyone with a high reiatsu can become/is a shinigami. Look at the Quincies, Sado, Inoue etc, they are not shinigamis but all of them have notable amount of reiatsu. Also Ichigo had his own latent deathgod powers from the start and Grandfisher said something about Ichigo being a real shinigami not only a substitute for Rukia as his dad is a shinigami, too. So it seems deathgod powers are inheritable which makes it even more unlikely that anyone can become a shinigami (without lending the powers of one). Consequently Zaraki is a shinigami right from the start and thus this makes his sword a real zanpaktou.

The shinigami-clothes-thing is a minor plot hole I think: When Rukai gave her powers to Ichigo he immediately got the clothes of one so it may seem that shinigami powers and clothes go hand in hand with each other. But I guess they just needed to make a difference in the look from Normal- to Shinigami-Ichigo. And its the same with Zaraki and the others - one set of clothes before and one set after they joined the 11th Division - just for the look. I don't think there are "rules" for how a shinigami's clothes have to look. The lower shinigami just do look the same 'cause there clothes are like uniforms and they mustn't wear anything else on duty. No Extrawurst :D

Sorry if this was too much off-topic :o

Kraco
Wed, 04-25-2007, 07:39 AM
Look at the Quincies, Sado, Inoue etc, they are not shinigamis but all of them have notable amount of reiatsu.

They aren't dead... The real shinigami are souls in the SS. Who knows, when the high reiatsu quincies died, they might have still had those powers as souls, and some might have become shinigami. Although some of them used those devices, so it's hard to say how many of them had high enough inherent potential, but surely there were more people like Ishida and his dad.

Ichigo is a unique matter, because first he became a shinigami by getting Rukia's powers while he was still alive. But the next time he actually practically died, and in that sense became a genuine shinigami, for whatever it's worth...

Mhalador
Wed, 04-25-2007, 10:43 AM
I don't know why Kenpachi's sword looks so worn. Sometimes I have thought it's because he doesn't know its name - but not so that it couldn't heal itself but rather as a sign of a protest. Zaraki has abused it for ages without bothering to know anything about it. However, it can heal itself just fine, because it was cut nicely in half in the final clash of Ichigo and Kenpachi. If it couldn't heal itself at all, Zaraki would have been fighting with a dagger for the rest of his days. But such wasn't his fate and later against Tousen it was just fine.

On top of that, don't their zanpakatou return to their sealed form when they're broken in shikai and bankai? I can't remember the last time Ichigo had his sword broken, but if it has been since he got his shikai and it didn't seal back up then my point is invalid.

NeoCybercoin
Wed, 04-25-2007, 12:17 PM
Because Ichigo's Zanpaktou is an All Release type. It's can't go back to its sealed form. So even if it is broken it will remain in Shikai form.

StillAlive
Wed, 04-25-2007, 01:45 PM
They aren't dead... The real shinigami are souls in the SS. Who knows, when the high reiatsu quincies died, they might have still had those powers as souls, and some might have become shinigami.
I see what you're saying but when the Ichigo bunch went to SS to save Rukiaa a portal/gate separated their souls from their bodies to let their souls enter SS. So I would call them practically dead and no one of them (except Ichigo of course) turned into a shinigami in SS...

Assassin
Wed, 04-25-2007, 02:07 PM
the quincy's were killed by hollows, so i dont think they became anything except hollow food. i think it was explained that if a hollow eats your soul, you become a hollow or cease to exist or something like that. But you dont go to SS unless a shinigami excersices you.

Munsu
Wed, 04-25-2007, 02:09 PM
Quincy's killed by Hollows? They were actually hunted down by the Shinigami because they were messing the balance, destroying souls. Of course, some were killed by Hollows, but most of them were killed by Shinigamis.

Mhalador
Wed, 04-25-2007, 02:21 PM
Because Ichigo's Zanpaktou is an All Release type. It's can't go back to its sealed form. So even if it is broken it will remain in Shikai form.

That's what I'm saying. If it broke, and didn't go back to release then that could mean that Zaraki's zanpaktou could be a permanent shikai like Ichigo's since it didn't change. Likewise it could mean it's just in a sealed state. I'm leaning toward the latter. As far as I know, every other zanpaktou went back to the sealed state after breaking. I just can't remember Ichigo's ever breaking AFTER he got his shikai. The only time I can remember is when he lost his powers.

Assassin
Wed, 04-25-2007, 03:14 PM
Quincy's killed by Hollows? They were actually hunted down by the Shinigami because they were messing the balance, destroying souls. Of course, some were killed by Hollows, but most of them were killed by Shinigamis.

i was referring to the last of the quincy's....the ones that were mentioned during the ishda/wierdo captain fight. or was that just his grandfather?

StillAlive
Wed, 04-25-2007, 05:10 PM
I just can't remember Ichigo's ever breaking AFTER he got his shikai. The only time I can remember is when he lost his powers.
It broke in the fight with Zaraki (therefore after he gained shikai). Nevertheless I think you don't actually see if Ichigo's sword turned into sealed form in the time he is in his inner world fighting his hollow-self or if it stayed in shikai-form

Crash
Wed, 04-25-2007, 06:24 PM
Based on the fact that Kenpachi's sword looks nothing like a standard Zanpaktou i'd say it's a perma-release shikai like Ichigo's. All the evidence in dialogue and appearance of the sword suggests it. If it isn't shikai then he's got the only sword in all of SS to look nothing like a standard unreleased Zanpaktou. The only exception i can think of being Urahara who's sword appears to look like a cane, though i think he's simply chosen to conceal it that way since he's living in the real world now.

bagandscalpel
Wed, 04-25-2007, 06:38 PM
Based on the fact that Kenpachi's sword looks nothing like a standard Zanpaktou i'd say it's a perma-release shikai like Ichigo's. All the evidence in dialogue and appearance of the sword suggests it. If it isn't shikai then he's got the only sword in all of SS to look nothing like a standard unreleased Zanpaktou. The only exception i can think of being Urahara who's sword appears to look like a cane, though i think he's simply chosen to conceal it that way since he's living in the real world now.
Ichigo's original sealed zanpaktou was unique, too.

But then again, it was just a normal katana, over-inflated by reiatsu. So by that logic, Zaraki's should be the same, if it were sealed. Thus, I'd have to say he's got perma-shikai.

Splash!
Wed, 04-25-2007, 07:35 PM
I have to say YES, Zaraki's sword is in its released state. But personally, i think its in some sort of semi released state (owing to subtle differences in appearance and power released). I dont think an unreleased sword could have fought on equal grounds with Zangetsu or defeated Tousen's bankai for that matter. Zaraki might be strong but he is no Aizen.

Also, his zankpaktou may not completely look like the regular unreleased zanpaktou with rectangular hilt and all, but it doesnt have any particular unique Shikai form that we have come to expect from most shinigmai releases. I personally dont think its worn down look has anything to do with Zaraki's own persona, more a representation of the struggle between him and the sword.

As Assassin pointed out, Kenpachi not knowing its name singles it out from a typical zanpaktou release. My theory is that due the level that Kenpachi is at, he has somehow been able to draw out the sword's power partially without knowing its name through forceful means. The exact nature of these powers, we dont know yet. Maybe due to the limited state of his 'release', all it can currently do is build up on his already huge supply of reiatsu.

Based on Munsu's evidence, you can conclude that it is indeed 'released', just not in the form we are accustomed to seeing. Even a partial shikai is technically a shikai and cannot be classified as an 'unreleased' zanpaktou. That being said, I still dont think that its at the prime of its shikai release. So theres probably still some room for improvement for his shikai and bankai isnt necessarily the next immediate step after he learns its name. The complete shikai might even manifest as slightly different form.