Bleach 122

[rgrintz]

out by DB. http://yhbt.mine.nu/t/b122.torrent


just finished watching, and it's so good. can't wait for the next episode.

[Mr. Roboto]

nice scene with tousen and grimmjow. i guess grimmjow rubs a lot of people the wrong way. that was pretty bad ass how tousen destroyed the arm so he couldn't even re-attach it or anything. although, i wonder if that will damper aizen's plans since grimmjow seemed like a pretty powerful guy.

it looks like chad has finally realized that he needs to get stronger if he wants to help out. hopefully urahara can do something for him. i just wonder how much more power chad can actually tap into. it was tough for even a captain to take out one of those arrancar so what does chad think he's going to be able to do? is urahara going to awaken powers above a captain level in him?

i'm looking forward to the next episode to see how ichigo fights against the vaizard. i guess this was the logical move since he ruled out urahara as being able to help him.

it looks like kon's erotic adventures are over now that kenpachi has shown up.

[zangetsu]

what a badass episode! seems like Tousen has gotten real strong since his last fight in SS. and damn, Hiyori is the real deal! can't wait for next week.

[DarthEnderX]

I guess the most important little piece of information from the argument we were having a few weeks ago was that none of the Arrancar that died were Vasto Lordes according to Hitsugaya.

So I'm assuming the only 2 Vasto Lorde Arrancar we've seen so far are Grimmjow and U*.

Anwyay, this episode was definatly a plot builder. Seems to be setting all the main characters up to get more powerful, intoduced more Vaizards, and has some villain monologuing.

All good stuff.

[Ren]

I LOL'd at Kenpachi at the end in the Shinigami Illustrated Picture Book. Good stuff.

DB was unusually sloppy on this release. I spotted a few typos here and there... not a big deal though, just thought I'd point it out.

[Yukimura]

[Rumbel-Flomp]Bleach - 122 [x264] (http://rumbel-subs.fansub-torrents.com/%5BFlomp-Rumbel%5DBleach_-_122%5Bx264%5D%5B1F6C93E8%5D.mkv.torrent)

Their picture was much better than DB's, though I don't know how much was the different codec. I only noticed two mistakes in the scripts, both wrong english, but I told one of the QCers and hopefully they'll read the whole script before encoding it next time.

About the episode...Hiyori was cool, but that snaggletooth was a bit distracting. Orihime's distraction and detachment from everything and everyone seems to be deepening, in addition to her powers growing.

Side Gripe: Rangiku's breasts were animated very inconsistently, pick a size and stick with it, it looked weird when they changed from bigger than Hitsu's head to 1/4 that size.

[masamuneehs]

freakin awesome!

I was so happy that they stuck around Hueco Mundo to show us more of Aizen and what's going on there. Guess everything's not alright in paradise. Tousen did the first truly badass thing he's ever done, cutting off Grimm's arm. Strangely enough, it seemed to me that both those two were acting in ways that Aizen wouldn't like... but somehow he was OK with it...

Biggest plot element of the whole episode:
Aizen (in reference to the 5 dead Arrancar): They were among the lowest of the Gillian. It doesn't affect my plans at all. Once we have gathered the Vasto Lorde together and have completed the Espada, nobody will stand in our way."

I mean, freakin huge update on how things are going there. Soul Society's situation is even shittier than we thought (at least they know about it though), since they had some tough Bankai users struggle pretty mightily against such low level opponents... Anyone remember if Grimm was singled out as above Gillian level? Is the translation in this part OK?

Nice to see Ishida hasn't been dicking around and is actually working on getting his powers back.

Chado! There's a boy whose head is in the right place! I like how, completely unlike Inoue, he decides to work to develop his powers, rather than just mope about it.

... some of those Vaizard... ... just so lame looking! Dude with a pink moustache? (Hachi, the 'barrier' maker) Blonde Zangetsu? and a schoolgirl and an ethnic Rock Lee with spiked hair... The silver haired guy gives a good first impression.

the extra stuff in this ep wasn't that great. Keigo's sister's scene really wasn't as funny the second time around and Matsumoto's act gets old as well. Hiyori 'tagging' Shinji with her sandal made me chuckle though.

[Kraco]

I was so happy that they stuck around Hueco Mundo to show us more of Aizen and what's going on there. Guess everything's not alright in paradise. Tousen did the first truly badass thing he's ever done, cutting off Grimm's arm. Strangely enough, it seemed to me that both those two were acting in ways that Aizen wouldn't like... but somehow he was OK with it...

That's Aizen. His plan during the SS arc wasn't really any clockwork either, even though it ended up working like one pretty much. He relied hugely on his own lackies acting like they did and on the other hand on the opponents to react like they did. So, he must have lots of insight into how people act. Keeping that in mind, it results in two things: Grimmjow's actions couldn't have been totally unpredictable to him, and neither could Tousen's revenge. And secondly even if things go against his will, in a place like Hueco Mundo he must probably act like everything's cool and under control all the time. Of course being Aizen acting like that is only natural for him.


Anyone remember if Grimm was singled out as above Gillian level? Is the translation in this part OK?

I think it should be pretty clear he's at least second class. He went against Ichigo and won, and the others pretty much followed him. Also, he acted like Tousen's victory against him wouldn't be guaranteed at all. Tousen might have acted like he did because he's Tousen. After all, he couldn't really even accept Kenpachi was so much stronger than him. Good thing he even retained his sanity after that defeat...

[itadakimasu]

I thought it was a pretty good ep, loved seeing all of the Vaizards and the scene w\ grimmjow, aizen and tousen.

Masa.: they have stated before that grimmjow is one of the espada, all the others that were defeated by renji and company were low level.

[DB_Hunter]

From the impression I got it was that the Espada are Vasto Lorde's and that means Grimmjow is/was a Vasto Lorde.

On the the Vaizard thing. You just know that with an attitude like that Hiyori is asking for beats, and she is gonna get smacked up one day and turn all emo because of it.

Maybe its the English, but what the Vaizard are saying seems contradictory. On the one hand they are saying that they will show Ichigo how to supress the hollow, and on the other they are asking him to pull it out. Is translation supposed to be 'control' and not 'surpress'?

The Kon part near the end was good. I don't even know what Kenpachi is going to do, though whatever it is it should be fun!

[animus]

Controlling the Hollow's power and having it emerge are different. When you control it's power, you obtain the hollow mask, but when the hollow takes over you, you become like Hollow Ichigo.

[Kensee]

From the impression I got it was that the Espada are Vasto Lorde's and that means Grimmjow is/was a Vasto Lorde.

On the the Vaizard thing. You just know that with an attitude like that Hiyori is asking for beats, and she is gonna get smacked up one day and turn all emo because of it.

Maybe its the English, but what the Vaizard are saying seems contradictory. On the one hand they are saying that they will show Ichigo how to supress the hollow, and on the other they are asking him to pull it out. Is translation supposed to be 'control' and not 'surpress'?

The Kon part near the end was good. I don't even know what Kenpachi is going to do, though whatever it is it should be fun!

To suppress the hollow is to have it where it doesn't control you. They want him to bring it out to see where he is at, how strong it is, and so on...

If they teach him to suppress it, i'm under the impression that he would be able to call forth his hollow side and control it just like the girl did at the end of the episode.

edit: wups, animus beat me to it =P

[RyougaZell]

Hiyori owned. Period. Next episode looks good as well from the preview.

The school teacher missed the fact that Hirako was absent as well.

[Lucifus]

This was pure and simply a great episode. I am really looking forward to the next one. Hope it doesn't disappoint, though it would be hard to. The ending Kon/Kenpachi was awesome.:cool:

[DayoftheDante]

My guess is that once Ichigo commits to bringing his Hollow out in this fight, it's gonna take more than Hiyori to calm him back down.

Anyone have any guesses on what Gin's power level is now?

[Kraco]

Considering we never learned his power level in the first place, it's hard to say. We only saw his shikai back in the SS arc, and it didn't exactly look like he was fighting with everything he got even back then. So, his past and present power levels are mysteries. Well, one thing is sure: It will take some serious ass kicking to bring Gin down. He's just too wicked to submit easily.

[DB_Hunter]

You know I can already see how this hollow business will work with a new set of 'power levels'. Ichigo will get mad and bring out a bit of his hollow, thus creating a partial mask. His power will rise enormously but will still not reach its peak until Ichigo manages to pull out the entire mask. Along the way to eventually fighting Aizen his ability to totally bring out and control the hollow will improve until he has a complete mask.

And Ishida will probably be kept busy fighting on of the Vasto Lorde / Espada's.

[redcat]

god tousin is so emo

i also cant wait until they explain how he got to the top of this ladder:

tousin > ken > ichigo > grimmjow > tousin?

i hope grimmjow can get his arm back. i wanted to see him fight again in an evenly matched fight. having him do that without an arm would be a bit anti climatic

[DeathscytheVII]

Anyone have any guesses on what Gin's power level is now?

"ITS OVER NINE THOUSSAAAAND!"

That aside, i think Gin's second in command for a reason. He's prlly ranked #2 in Aizen's army, since he's not played around with like Grimmjow and Tousen were hehe. Also, maybe the explanation for Tousen's sudden increase in power is that he learned to bring out his inner hollow? If thats the case, i can't wait to see Gin go full out.

[dimitris127]

but if that's the case what does aizen wants with the thing he took from rukia...isn't it so he can merge with a hollow or something and lvl up...i really liked ichigos dark eyes...also about the mask i don't believe that he isn't going to fully pull it out...maybe the hollow ichigo won't give him all his power or something like that(well that's what i believe)

[RyougaZell]

Aizen took the Hōgyoku to create Arrancars. Not to make himself a hollow or anything like that.

Tousen probably was hiding his true power when fighting Kenpachi. Aizen did hide his power, which seems to be even greater than Sōtaichō Yamamoto

[DB_Hunter]

No, I'm pretty sure the Hyogoku gives Shinigami access to hollow powers, as well as the other way around. Remember it was Kisuke who created the Hyogoku, and he would not have done it to create "evil" arrancar but rather to create even more powerful Shinigami.

You know speaking of "good" and "evil", I wonder if any of the Espada will switch sides.. you had 3 SS captains doing it so why not them too?

[Kraco]

Tousen probably was hiding his true power when fighting Kenpachi.

It surely didn't look like Tousen was hiding anything. He got his ass kicked and would be dead if Kenpachi had bothered to finish him.

I think many people downplay Zaraki's strength due to how his and Ichigo's fight ended. However, it has been said separately how Zaraki is especially strong in the series. The fact is, though, that he hasn't fought seriously to win even once during the series yet. He fights because he enjoys fighting, and that's different compared to fighting purely for a victory. If we saw Zaraki fighting to save his own and his squad's (or just Yachiru's) life, I think we should see something quite different.

[DB_Hunter]

True, I want to see a cornered Kenpachi fight for his life, then we will see some strength.

That or he attains Shikai at least. Can't imagine what he would be like at Bankai.

[DeathscytheVII]

Arrancar turn good? Thatd be awesome to see.

As for Kenpachi, i think we had this debate before. His sword's already at Shikai. Shikai is just the unsealed form and Kenpachi told ichigo that he didn't bother sealing up his sword because it was too powerful, just like how ichigo never sealed zangetsu into a normal sword look. So ichigo's constantly at shikai too.

But yes, can't wait to see if Kenpachi can go bankai, even Ikkaku has done it! he can't be far behind.

[DB_Hunter]

OK to settle this in my mind can someone point out the ep where Kenpachi tells Ichigo that his sword is at Shikai? I can't remember him saying that and I always seem to end up going in cirlces with someone who does.

I don't think that Ikkaku attaining Bankai means that Kenpachi is not far behind. I remember Byakya saying that Bankai is attained by those Shinigami who have arrived at the pinnacle of their powers. So it could be that Kenpachi is no where near his pinnacle, yet he is bad ass already.

[gr3atfull]

Yayayyayayay!!!!!!!!!! We finally got to see Tousen and Gin. I hoped they changed but, they havent changed much....:mad:

After more than 5 episode, we see Ishida doing his training. Hopefully, he will get his power soon.

I cant wait to see what is going to happen next episode with Ichigo.

[Crash]

OK to settle this in my mind can someone point out the ep where Kenpachi tells Ichigo that his sword is at Shikai? I can't remember him saying that and I always seem to end up going in cirlces with someone who does.

start watching at 18:24 in ep. 38. Although he doesn't say his sword is Shikai, just that it doesn't have a name and that it doesn't have a sealed form. You can take that to mean that he's like ichigo and his sword is always in released form, or it could mean that he's simply too ignorant to bother finding out his swords name so that he can reach shikai. We don't really know for sure, hopefully we'll find out sometime.

[silverpuppet]

Although he doesn't say his sword is Shikai, just that it doesn't have a name and that it doesn't have a sealed form. You can take that to mean that he's like ichigo and his sword is always in released form

Seen this discussed alot and want to chime in. At this point, I think we have to assume that Zaraki does not have shikai.

1. Zaraki doesn't even know his sword's name. He doesn't know anything except chop chop chop. He's basically a big ignoramus, so are you gonna take his word that his sword isn't sealed? He has no idea. He doesn't acknowledge his sword as anything but a cutting tool, so I think he means his power (personal power) is not seal when he said that.

2. Ichigo COULD NOT unseal his sword until Zangetsu told him to say the name. Go back to the training part.

3. When Renji attacked Byakuya, Byakuya said something like "Release without saying the name, does that mean Bankai?!" It's obvious that you can't even release Shikai without saying out loud the sword's name, unless you have attained Bankai.

4. His sword apparently has no special power except cutting.

So with what we have, we have to assume he's got no Shikai yet. The only thing is the sword's unique appearance. The evidence is overwhelming, but they could make an exception anyway (shrug).

[DayoftheDante]

No easy tasks for Ichigo-He has to master Zangetsu AND his inner hollow(Guess that goes for the other Vaizard also). I wonder if Ichigo is due for another lesson from Zangetsu? Supposedly Byakuya has mastery over his bankai, and look at all the different attacks he can use with it! Ichigo's bankai has only done one type of special attack: Getsuga. Plus there's the spellcasting type attacks which Ichigo's never learned to use. Maybe he never will, every other character keeps reminding him how much his Reiatsu control sucks.

[Kraco]

Plus there's the spellcasting type attacks which Ichigo's never learned to use. Maybe he never will, every other character keeps reminding him how much his Reiatsu control sucks.

To be fair, it appears demon magic basics are mostly learned in the academy the shinigami wannabes attend, and who knows how many years they spend there. Ichigo, on the other hand, only attends the normal high-school, and it's somewhat safe to say courses in demon magic might be severely lacking in its curriculum...

However, he learned the bubble shield spell fairly quickly, even if he didn't exactly master it, which indicates he would probably learn other forms of demon magic as well, at least the simple attacks, fast enough if Rukia bothered to teach him. And if he bothered to try to learn, which is doubtful considering he should be basically a lazy punk.

[DB_Hunter]

I was thinking about why Kisuke hasn't helped out Ichigo with his hollow. Ichigo thinks that Kisuke doesn't know what to do about it, but perhaps Kisuke himself has developed a hollow via the Hyogoku? I can't remember it being mentioned that Kisuke didn't use the Hyogoku after he made it. Maybe that's why he is quiet about it. Why he doesn't take it upon himself to train Ichigo if this is the case, that I can't asnwer. Perhaps it is to do with something we are not aware of yet.

[an0nym0u5]

So, who thinks the Vaizard are not such bad people?

They're shady at this point, for sure.

But:
Shinji prevented Hiyori from killing Orihime. (earlier ep)

Hiyori and Shinji get all emo and sad saying how they hate humans and shinigami. It was as if they had a soft, emotional side, and a desire to just have a sense of belonging (earlier ep)

Just look at them, they don't look so dark or evil (like the Arrancar), they actually look goofy and friendly, even fruity (pre-mask of course)

All we know at this point is they're hateful towards humans and shinigami and all they want to accomplish at this point is getting Ichigo to join them as "kin".

[Kraco]

Considering that an interesting point would be if becoming a vaizard changes your personality. Thus, thus those jovial looking people would all have some darkness inside them (as some of them at least do), and so would Ichigo if he becomes one. It seems somewhat more likely to me there should be at least a small price to pay if you become a vaizard. And it would give an interesting little twist for the series if Ichigo's personality becomes an unequal mix of his old one and that of the Hollow-Ichigo.

[an0nym0u5]

Considering that an interesting point would be if becoming a vaizard changes your personality. Thus, thus those jovial looking people would all have some darkness inside them (as some of them at least do), and so would Ichigo if he becomes one. It seems somewhat more likely to me there should be at least a small price to pay if you become a vaizard. And it would give an interesting little twist for the series if Ichigo's personality becomes an unequal mix of his old one and that of the Hollow-Ichigo.

Good point, from Ichigo's experiences so far, becoming a Vaizard or releasing his inner hollow is like releasing a dark-inner schizo side.

[dragonrage]

nice episode, I thought the damn thing was to damn short. But I guess that is how it is when you enjoy something.

I have a few theories about what is going to happen and well some insight as to what Ichigo really is but I think that I will wait just a little longer before i share them.

[DB_Hunter]

I don't know about you guys, but I think Ichigo's hollow is funny. He speaks with his own version of 'dattebayo' i.e. when he says 'na?' and generally doesn't seem 'evil' at this point. He did seem to get along with Zangetsu, though Zangetsu may not be intrisincally good or evil, as he is just a sword. Then again he is a representation of Ichigo's personality so he should be 'good'...

OR he could be like Ichigo himself and have a darkness in him. Perhaps Zangetsu can only be fully utilised by hollow Ichigo, as then Ichigo will be using the full depths of his power.

Edit: As for what Ichigo is or how he came to be, maybe Isshin was exposed to the Hyogoku by Kisuke, and this has now been passed down to Ichigo? Isshin and Kisuke do look like friends afterall, and we don't know why Isshin was kicked out of SS. Maybe the reason was that he collaborated with Kisuke with his Hyogoku project.

[Inazuma]

That's good too, it puts a stop to all Manichaen bullshit distilled in Animes lately.
More than 2 sides is something essential, have people understand Axis of evil and the Goood guys is something absurd.

[StillAlive]

Nice ep! Now we have Ichigo training with the vaizards, stupid Ishida training with his even more stupid dad and Urahara trying to fire up calm Sado-kun =)) - awesome!!

That's good too, it puts a stop to all Manichaen bullshit distilled in Animes lately.
More than 2 sides is something essential, have people understand Axis of evil and the Goood guys is something absurd.
Hmpf?! Do you mean it is good that there are different shades of grey in bleach, not only a black and white view of things, or what? (Sry I'm German...)

[DeathscytheVII]

Seen this discussed alot and want to chime in. At this point, I think we have to assume that Zaraki does not have shikai.

1. Zaraki doesn't even know his sword's name. He doesn't know anything except chop chop chop. He's basically a big ignoramus, so are you gonna take his word that his sword isn't sealed? He has no idea. He doesn't acknowledge his sword as anything but a cutting tool, so I think he means his power (personal power) is not seal when he said that.

2. Ichigo COULD NOT unseal his sword until Zangetsu told him to say the name. Go back to the training part.

3. When Renji attacked Byakuya, Byakuya said something like "Release without saying the name, does that mean Bankai?!" It's obvious that you can't even release Shikai without saying out loud the sword's name, unless you have attained Bankai.

4. His sword apparently has no special power except cutting.

So with what we have, we have to assume he's got no Shikai yet. The only thing is the sword's unique appearance. The evidence is overwhelming, but they could make an exception anyway (shrug).

Well, for me, Shikai was the first release of the sword, and Zaraki's sword has already been established as being a constant release state one, so meh. I'll grant that not knowing the sword's name will impede his power, but i still believe it can count as a shikai, maybe an incomplete one at least.

Zanpaktou so far have come in three forms: Sealed (where it looks like a traditional sword), Unsealed (shikai - 'initial release'), and Bankai. And zaraki's is defintely not sealed.

[StillAlive]

I'd agree with DeathscytheVII. Zaraki himself said his sword is in its released state...

[Munsu]

Yeah, it was said that his reiatsu is so powerful, that he kinda forced his zanpakutou to be in a constant released state. So maybe he'll acquire another shikai "power" if he indeed learns the name of his sword, but for now it is suggested that the seal has been forcefully broken.

[DB_Hunter]

Lol you guys make it sound as if Kenpachi has violated his sword.

[Kraco]

So maybe he'll acquire another shikai "power" if he indeed learns the name of his sword...

You mean the first power? I don't remember his sword displaying yet any particular powers. But I have to agree with the theory his zanpakutou might indeed be in a permanently released state, like Ichigo's. Ichigo, as well, went for a long while not really knowing how to use the primary power of his shikai, so that's not so strange. Not all shikai are like senbonzakura where it's more than obvious what kind of power it is.

[Yukimura]

Now that I think back several other captains have non standard 'sealed' swords. Soi Fong's is not a katana, but some kind of ninja knife. Unohana's is an uber nodachi or something, it is at least 1.5 times the size of a regular katana. Yamamoto's is a stick, and Nanao the 8th squad VC's might just be a book.

With this much variation it's conceivable that Zaraki's sword is still 'sealed', but it's just sealed into the odd form that it has. During his fight with Ichigo he said something along the lines of his sword not having any other forms since there was no way he could seal his own power, but it's possible that he just didn't care at all to find out and thus just uses the sword as a sword and has his fun, never looking inwards to find its true strength by letting the sword feed on his power and grow like Ichigo did.

[Munsu]

You mean the first power? I don't remember his sword displaying yet any particular powers. But I have to agree with the theory his zanpakutou might indeed be in a permanently released state, like Ichigo's. Ichigo, as well, went for a long while not really knowing how to use the primary power of his shikai, so that's not so strange. Not all shikai are like senbonzakura where it's more than obvious what kind of power it is.
The blade being in a constant released state is already sort of a power, not sure if there's any advantage of having a contantly released zanpukutou or not or if it's has been explained, but the fact that it is released it should already be providing Zaraki with something. So knowing his zanpakutou name, may in fact produce an added power or effect to his current "shikai" form.

[Inazuma]

Zaraki's sword got to be in "Stade 1" it can't be bankai or shikai because you got to be able to control and know the sword's name.

Two things he just can't.

[Munsu]

Have you even read what we've been saying?

Zaraki himself says it and Ichigo, when talking about his constantly released zanpakutou, said that his was the same as Zaraki's. And don't you guys think that if he couldn't achieve shikai we would've heard by now? I mean we've constantly heard about his inability to reach bankai, but don't you think that someone in the series would've said "He is the first Captain not to have bankai, he doesn't even have shikai". Why the focus on the bankai aspect if he's not supposed to have shikai?

It would be nce if someone completed translating the Official Character Book: SOULs, since I think it's also explained there from what I've read around.


Enough of Zaraki's shikai, it's off-topic to the discussion of this chapter. If you want to discuss it further create another thread.