Naruto 347

[RyougaZell]

SCANLATION!

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Holy Hell... Holy Hell... Holy Hell...

I am Speechless. Won't post impressions until someone else later on (gotta keep first post clean).

[animus]

Hahaha. Sakura likes yaoi lool.

[Honoko]

Damn... I'm at work right now with my monitor facing the entire room -_-;;; I know what I'll be doing during my lunch break though :D Definitely going home!

[RasenDori]

cool chapter. i cant wait to see the rest of sasukes allies

[RyougaZell]

Suigetsu wielding Zabuza's sword... OH HELL!! (wanted to say this since first post, hehe...)

I liked that for once we got the scanlation before the raw or spoilers.

Sasuke seemed little surprised while seeing the bridge's name.

I guess the girl at the end will be the 2nd ally.

What happened to Kabuto?

Damn Kishimoto... I see many Sai-Sasuke fanfiction in the future... the horror!! (bleh... damn Konohamaru... didn't need to see that one)

Not a single action scene, yet this chapter is currently one of the best I've seen, personally.

[Genma]

Wow, I think I'm going to look at Sasuke as a total gaylord now, after seeing a naked man behind him and the yaoi jutsu.

Other than that, though, this chapter was good. The fact that they brought Zabuza's awesome sword back into the story is cool.

[rockmanj]

That was disturbing, and awesome at the same time...Konohamaru's got problems.

[RyougaZell]

If Konohamaru had used the Oiroke Onna no noko Doushi no Jutsu with some of the kunoichi would have been better... (Tenten and Ino?...). He does have problems if he used Sasuke and Sai for the Otoko version.

Plothole... how did Konohamaru know how Sasuke looks currently =P?

[nests]

Man this chapter was classic. it had me with a smile trough out the hall thing (exept for the part with Sasuke an Sai which I'm trying to permenetly block out of my head). And did I see a Smile in Sasuke when he read the name of the birdge maybe the only reason he went after Naruto in Orochimarus lair was so that he wouldnt ruin his plans

[darkmetal505]

Wonder what Kabuto will do now? Maybe a visit to Konoha?

It seems like Oro was collecting children from various villages to figure out which one would be the best vessel for the body transfer. Then Sasuke rolled around.

[Assertn]

I love how kishimoto matched up all the cells in page 8 and 10 perfectly to compare the reactions of naruto's team. That's so good ^_^

[big_ac]

So...if Sasuke is recruiting three other people, and Team Kakashi currently consists of Naruto, Sai, Sakura, and either Yamato or Kakashi....
I smell a classic meet-up followed by four very separate one-on-one fights, most likely occurring while both sides are looking for Itachi or other Akatsuki members.
Sakura will fight Karin (most likely the girl at the end of the chapter), because, as you know, in the Naruto universe girls pretty much exclusively fight eachother when possible. Sai will get the mysterious Jyuugo, Kakashi, if he takes his place back from Yamato, will fight Suigetsu for extra touching "You killed my sensei" banter, and Naruto will, of course, have a big showdown with Sasuke that will be really cool for about 1 chapter, until the not-quite-dead Orochimaru shows up from somewhere inside Sasuke and ruins everything.

Did Suigetsu have a big belt full of 7-11 icee drinks? Maybe he has serious hydration issues or something.

[Yukimura]

Awesome chapter, plot developments, new arcs begin new charachters, all kinds of good stuff. Sakuras reaction to the yaoi was almost worth having to actually see it. I hope Sasuke's 'team' will have an interesting goal.

[Idealistic]

Wow what a chapter.... It just added so much more into the story.

I found it quite disturbing that Sakura would actually like to see a guy on guy thing.... or any girl like that stuff.... haha

But it seems like Sasuke really misses those days being on Team Kakashi everytime he sees something that reminds him of it.

And I like big-ac's theory of the future chapters of how the fights will occur.

[Honoko]

Wondering what the yaoi was all about.... and then... puaahhaahahha!!! But my question is... was Sakura oogling at just Sasuke and didn't see Sai at all, or does she have the hots for Sai too? :p

Anyway, the Sasuke side of the story seems to be developing quite nicely. I gotta wonder how long is it gonna take for Konoha to realize that Oro's technically dead?

[LobsterMagnet]

Really really refreshing chapter. Mostly because at this moment no one can really say where any of this is going. It's nice to see kishi reference the past while simultaneously moving the story forward. Wonder what sasuke's planning to do with his oro orphan crew.

Also interesting to hear the seven mist swordsmen mentioned again. I just hope kishi refuses to acknowledge that stupid fish lipped guy with the lighting sword from the fillers as apart of the official naruto cannon if any other swordsmen show up.

[Konohamaru]

ok aside from that one moment *ahem*. The chapter was real cool. I don't ever remembering Zabuza mentioning he trained other kids other than the one he had. Maybe they're father and son? hmm.

[Assertn]

How come they were calling the new guy "Suigetsu"? I thought last week they referred to him as "Misugetsu"

[Knives122]

There was an early spoiler last week that said his name was Suigetsu, then som retard or something probably changed the name to Misugetsu. Doesn't really bother me though.

Anywho great chap. And it's about time we saw some big busted women in this story other then Tsunade(despite the fact that they're really konohamaru). Good to know Sakura is like Naruto after all.(they always did somewhat act the same)

[eat_toast]

How come they were calling the new guy "Suigetsu"? I thought last week they referred to him as "Misugetsu"

Mizu and Sui are just different pronunciations of the kanji for water.

Also, cool to see Zabuza and Haku remembered.

[rockmanj]

HMmm, i think "sui" means water, and Mi(z)su means water also, if im not wrong...so maybe they're interchangable. Maybe there's a translation issue

[RyougaZell]

Suiton Jutsu - Water Jutsu
Mizu Bunshin - Water Clone

Suigetsu sounds better than Mizugetsu though.

[Assassin]

awesoem chapter. can't wait to see where this leads. I wonder though, if suigetsu was zabuza's student, and he was taken by oro.....how strong must haku have been for zabuza to take him along and not suigetsu.

[Assertn]

Suigetsu was Zabuza's junior, which doesn't mean Zabuza necessarily had anything to do with Suigetsu. It just means Suigetsu recieved similiar training that Zabuza recieved and was delegated as heir to Zabuza's title in the event that Zabuza was disposed of.

Yamato was Kakashi's junior as a fellow anbu leader, but Kakashi didn't train Yamato.

[Genma]

Yeah, Suigetsu never refers to Zabuza as "sensei," only "sempai."

So I don't think Zabuza was his teacher.

[Terracosmo]

You people are such kids. You wouldn't have cared a bit if it was two female ninjas being close to each other in that jutsu. Take the scene for what it was - hilarious.

Great chapter. :D

[RyougaZell]

You people are such kids. You wouldn't have cared a bit if it was two female ninjas being close to each other in that jutsu. Take the scene for what it was - hilarious.

Great chapter. :D

I wanted that... Tenten with Sakura for example :D

[Necromas]

Nah, Hinata and Sakura.

BTW Awesome chapter, no need for action when you actually have a good plot.

[ody]

I don't even remember a Suigetsu at all in the manga or the anime. Now, Sasuke is recruiting a bunch of unknowns that he befriended while training with Oro or something (like he had the time)? And why is Suigetsu acting like he's some badass? Sasuke and team defeated Zabuza and that was years ago, and Suigetsu --Zabuza's junior-- acts like he could take Sasuke ?

So fucking confused.

[Munsu]

What's so confusing?

And Sasuke and team didn't defeat any Zabuza... It was Kakashi. And if we're going down that path, it was a 4 on 2, so you may say Zabuza might've been in a disadvantage (though Kakashi probably felt the need to protect his students also).

[Knives122]

The only did sasuke and naruto did was free kakashi from the water prison and take on haku...

So yeah it pretty much was just Kakashi.

But that's not important, there's still the matter of how Konohamru knew what sasuke looked like..

[kyubisrage]

Im sure he has seen sasuke before..........

[Teki]

My guess as to why konohamaru knew what sasuke looked like is that he should have seen him in the village at least once before the time jump. everyone should know who the last uchiha member is in the village. so konohamaru just added some "age" to him to estimate his appearance, kinda like how they use programs to see how wanted criminals would look like when they are older to identify them.

But konohamarus "estimation" is dead on so im guessing kishi had to draw the real sasuke cuz then no one would know who it was if he drew someone who kinda looked like sasuke but not quite look like him.

[RyougaZell]

He should have used the 'Sasuke' Konohamaru last saw, the 13 year old one (or 12?). Although that would be even more disturbier....

[Assertn]

Yep...with the first match, Zabuza totally couldve beaten team 7. I think he was just over-confident

[Death BOO Z]

I feel dirty...
really tainted, give me back my innocence..

anyway, I think that the girl is an Hyuuga lady, something about the hair,,,
at most, it's nice to see more reffernce to Zabuza, he was badass.

[iMUSTbeTHEdevil]

Yep...with the first match, Zabuza totally couldve beaten team 7. I think he was just over-confident

Before their tree training he totally could have taken them.

And how strong is this Suigetsu guy anyway? I mean for Oro to want to take his body he has to have atleast be decent. Cant wait to see what the others look like and how they work out in the story and what jutsu's they pocess!


-dg-

[Terracosmo]

I like Sui's teeth. :D

[animus]

They're the same as Zabuza's O_o

[Winged Dancer]

Hoooly crap!!

Gratuitious male nudity, gratuitious yuri and gratuitious yaoi.... Holy crap!

That aside, this was a nice chapter. Very nice. Suigetsu seems like a likeable antagonist (or whatever role he'll play), and his getting Zabuza's sword is just cool. 'Sides, seeing Zaubuza and Haku's graves come into play after such a long time touched my heart... nice to see Kishimoto hasn't forgotten about them.

So now Sasuke will have his four-man team and Naruto will have his... they'll end up facing each other, I guess.

When I saw the Naruto Bridge sigspost, I thought we'd have a flashback. It would've been nice, but that would've allowed less pages for nudity.

Seriously, I'm still in shock at the yuri and yaoi. Jump is becoming so porny... I dunno the scanlations, but the Japanese dialogue was full of innuendo... depending on how you read it, Naruto & Sakura could've been yelling "You are coming??"

At any rate, I can't wait to see this animated XD

[Assertn]

I feel kinda bad for konohamaru. Thanks to Naruto, he's going to become the world's weakest ninja.

[JaySee]

I disagree. Konohamaru had the skill and creativity to combine 2 of Naruto's jutsus into 1. He completely distracted Sakura (and shut her up) and would've made Jiraiya bleed to death through his nose with a female version.

[mage]

I'm sure Konohamaru has some skills. He is trained by Ebisu, after all. It isn't like he just trains harem jutsus every day.

[Raven]

I find it a little weird that Zabuza's sword is still there after so many years. And it looks in perfect condition too. So close to a bridge? Surely somone picked it up.

Awesome chapter! Suigetsu looks female when wearing clothes.

[Kensee]

I find it a little weird that Zabuza's sword is still there after so many years. And it looks in perfect condition too. So close to a bridge? Surely somone picked it up.

Awesome chapter! Suigetsu looks female when wearing clothes.

Maybe it was too heavy for anyone to pull out =P.

Wow this chapter, haha. One of my classmates seems to have some freaky fetish to draw Sauske and Naruto in weird male on male positions. I'm sure she'll get a kick out of this one.

[Winged Dancer]

Awesome chapter! Suigetsu looks female when wearing clothes.

But very male when naked! I wonder if the other two Sasuke will recruit will be naked too. If they are, I'm expecting an onslaught of yaoi doujinshi, plus the yuri ones that Konohamaru has just inspired.

The sword didn't look exactly to be in perfect condition, it was rusty and stuff. I'm guessing nobody took it because they knew how it had gotten there, and thus had some respect for it... or something.

The following chapters will probably be about Sasuke and his new team, but what the girl said in the last panel made me wonder if Orochimaru is really really dead. The chakra she sensed can be Sasuke's, but... well, it's just weird to think Orochimaru is dead, so... maybe I'm hoping.

[Idealistic]

Maybe it was too heavy for anyone to pull out =P.


Yep... Have you heard the legend about a sword in the ground? Only a chosen one will be able to pull it out.

[Skaw]

Sakura's nose bleed was icing on the cake for that moment, considering Naruto lacked one. Someone is a little more perverted than she claims to be.

[Souda]

I don't know if it's ok to ask this here, but I just have a question on the translation for this chapter:

When Naruto and Sakura react to Konohamaru's Nude Jutsu, Naruto goes, "そうきたか―ッ!" and Sakura goes, "そうくるの―ッ!" It got translated to, "What a game plan!"

I'm just wondering, is that really a direct translation for what they said? Or just an English equivalent? Or is there really a direct translation at all? Cause I never would've figured out what they were trying to say.

[EinReB23]

Great chapter! I was wondering more about the power of this Suigetsu when he held Sasuke at "gunpoint"; maybe he has water bullets?

[Winged Dancer]

I don't know if it's ok to ask this here, but I just have a question on the translation for this chapter:

When Naruto and Sakura react to Konohamaru's Nude Jutsu, Naruto goes, "そうきたか―ッ!" and Sakura goes, "そうくるの―ッ!" It got translated to, "What a game plan!"

I'm just wondering, is that really a direct translation for what they said? Or just an English equivalent? Or is there really a direct translation at all? Cause I never would've figured out what they were trying to say.

I wouldn't translate Sakura's exclamation any different from Naruto's. The basic verb there is "Kuru", which Sakura uses in its plain form: くる, Kuru, while Naruto uses the past tense; きた, Kita. But for me, at least, that doesn't change the meaning. If anything, it would me like

Naruto (before the jutsu): Come on!
Jutsu!
Naruto: You came like that!!?

While Sakura would be
Jutsu! Sasuke/Sai OMG
Sakura: You come like that!!?

But it sounds kinda awkward. I'd say they say the same (and I say translating after two beers shortens my vocabulary), they just change the entonations.... which makes Sakura sound more like Jiraiya than Naruto does. Add the nose-bleed and you have something rather scary.

[itadakimasu]

So...if Sa

Did Suigetsu have a big belt full of 7-11 icee drinks? Maybe he has serious hydration issues or something.

haha, im not the only one who noticed that Suigetsu suddenly has stopped off at some kind of place in between villages and gotten himself a drink lol

kinda weird how sasuke is teaming up w\ him being one of the swordsmen related to zabuza just as itachi is teamed up w\ kisame who is also one of the 7 swordsman... cant wait for the next few chapters

[Skaw]

I like Sui's teeth. :D


They're the same as Zabuza's O_o

As well as Kisame. Was guessing it was something the Seven Swordsman shared, but then I remembered Raiga had normal teeth. He wasn't canon though, so it still might be.

[Assertn]

Still not really sure where this "canon" term came from, or what even really means

[rockmanj]

Still not really sure where this "canon" term came from, or what even really means

canon basically means that something is directly related to the main story, and is in accordance with the tenets of the main story's timeline. non-canon means that the subject material is related to the main story, but has no consequence to the story line; something like an imaginary occurance.

[JaySee]

That seems a little too complicated. Canon just means "made official."

[CapsuleCorpJX]

So is it official? Sasuke completely won the fight? His personality is in complete dominance? Orochimaru's soul is destroyed?

The only question now is ... did Sasuke absorb any of Orochimaru's techniques? Does Sasuke still have a trace of Orochimaru's intent or will in him?

Or is this just a successful anti-take over, where Sasuke did not absorb anything from Orochimaru, instead merely swatted him down and killed him during the process.

[big_ac]

I was wondering more about the power of this Suigetsu when he held Sasuke at "gunpoint"; maybe he has water bullets?

I'm going to bet that you're correct on that one. If you've read the Tenjou Tenge Manga, then it would probably be a power similar to that of Tessen Ishiyumi, who infuses drops of water with his ki (read reiatsu/spirit energy/chakra) and then fires them at very high speeds, creating, basically, a very versatile gun with near infinite ammo (the earth, and the human body for that matter, are primarily composed of water)

[chet_chetty]

the gunpoint think, imo, was nothing more than a gesture that suigetsu "had" sasuke right there and Suigetsu could have off'd Sasuke if he wanted. it was [an attempt at] a show of superiority.

Sasuke not flinching or his heart not skipping a beat means that, even in that position, Suigetsu has no advantage over him.

Suigetsu is Sasuke's lackey.

[JaySee]

You're jumping to a far off conclusion. It just means Sasuke isn't intimidated by Suigetsu. Suigetsu is still acting like he's superior to Sasuke or at least equal.

[Winged Dancer]

Suigetsu was seen to be somehow contained within a water-tank of sorts, obviously by Orochimaru.

So Oroshimaru > Suigetsu.

But, as far as we know, Sauke killed Orochimaru -

Orochimaru < Sasuke

Thus, Sasuke > Suigetsu.

Of course, that doesn't have to be true. Suigetsu could be there because he wanted to - he could've been working with Orochimaru. But it seems obvious that he has some sort of friendship with Sasuke, or at least acts like he's indebted to him for releasing him from the tank.

In other words, I can't see Suigetsu attacking Sasuke any time soon. The future, however...

I can already see Suigetsu doing lots of water jutsu. I'm betting he'll have his drink close at all times - he probably needs to take a lot of water just in order to survive.

[Yukimura]

I feel that just because Sasuke beat Orochimaru doesn't mean he can beat anyone that Orochimaru was stronger than. Case in point, I haven't seen anything yet that indicates the current Sasuke could have pushed The Third into using the Reaper Death Seal (I don't remember the real name so the Toonami one will have to suffice) and thus killing him.

I think that Sasuke's Sharingan is a lot of what's giving him the upperhand in fighting. He knows what's going to happen before it happens and can see through techniques, that give him a massive advantage over most people.

That being said, I doubt that Suigetsu is a threat to Sasuke since he probably wouldn't have recruited him without sufficient confidence that he could either control him, or beat him if he stepped out of line.

[shinta|hikari]

Suigetsu probably believes that he can beat Sasuke, but unfortunately, as much as I hate to admit it, Sasuke will probably eat him alive if it comes down to it.

EDIT: Im just glad Sasuke admits that its his eye that is winning him his battles. Without his Sharingan, he will probably be only Chuunin level.

Regarding the translation of Sou kuru and Sou kita, its not come or came, since it is a set phrase used in certain contexts. If translated, it should go "So that was your plan!!" in Naruto's case, and "So that was your plan!?!" in Sakura's case (note the question mark). The translation "What a game plan!" is odd, and I couldnt really understand what it meant til I downloaded the raw.

[Winged Dancer]

On Sasuke vs. Suigetsu - Yes, that was something I forgot to say. It hasn't been made clear whether Orochimaru is dead or not - we don't have a real real corpse, to start with. And for all we know, Kabuto could try and bring him back, or something.... if he is really dead, then the whole thing just lacked closure.

I don't think that any of Sasuke's recruits will be stronger than him. As you said, Yukimura, he wouldn't have chosen them if he couldn't exert some kind of control over them.

I'm guessing Sasuke is planning to storm the Akatsuki, but his team can't be much stronger than Naruto's. It'd upset the whole manga.

[JaySee]

I thought that giant dead snake looking thing left in the room was the corpse. I still think it's debatable that he's "dead" though. I think he's just part of Sasuke now.

[itadakimasu]

reading some of those last posts.. im wondering how suigetsu* could even bring himself to openly challenge sasuke knowing that he's defeated oro....

*sigh* sasuke has grown so much im wondering at what level he is now compared to itachi.

[Munsu]

I thought that giant dead snake looking thing left in the room was the corpse. I still think it's debatable that he's "dead" though. I think he's just part of Sasuke now.
I think that is just like a snake shedding his skin, so no matter what the result was the snake corpse/skin would've been lying there, hence why Kabuto can't tell if it's Sasuke or Orochimaru... he simply could only tell that the ritual had happened.

[JaySee]

It seemed clear that Kabuto didn't know whether the ritual happened or not. So he didn't know if Orochimaru was just dead or successful with the ritual. Sasuke told him he absorbed him.

[Munsu]

Just to quote from the scanlation.


Kabuto: That's the skin of the Giant Snake. That means the ritual is already over!?

Right now... Which one are you?

So it did seem that Kabuto was aware that the ritual should've happened. But as you say, he didn't know what the conclusion of the ritual was and if Orochimaru was successful in completing it.

[JaySee]

He also says "What the hell is going on!?" and the "skin" doesn't look hollow like a snake's molted skin would. Seems to me he's just guessing it happened. It could have just been that Oro takes that form to do the ritual so he assumed it happened. It looks like a full, bloody corpse to me.

[Munsu]

He also says "What the hell is going on!?" and the "skin" doesn't look hollow like a snake's molted skin would. Seems to me he's just guessing it happened. It could have just been that Oro takes that form to do the ritual so he assumed it happened. It looks like a full, bloody corpse to me.
See, but if the corpse of the snake is a hint of an unsuccesful ritual, then there shouldn't be a confusion as to who is controlling Sasuke's body. Granted, it seems that's the form Oro takes for the ritual hence why Kabuto knows the ritual ocurred, but with the added confusion of who's controlling Sasuke's body it's reasonable to conclude that the corpse of the snake as the aftermath may just very well be a normal occurance of the conclusion of the ritual.

I think that Kabuto's "What the hell is going on!?" has to do more with him not expecting the ritual to occur so suddenly, right after he had left oro to look for his medicine.

Also, Oro's jutsu is one that transfers his soul to another body, so that seems to suggest that at the conclusion of the ritual, the corpse of the snake should still be lying there with him controlling his new body.

The only difference is that with Sasuke, he wasn't able to take control of Sasuke's body, Sasuke apparently absorbed him so at the end Sasuke is still controlling his body. No matter the outcome, the corpse of the snake would still be there.

Well even if the ritual didn't occur or start, Oro might've taken that form, and might've been killed before the ritual begun, but we know better than that... We know he did the ritual, he simply wasn't successful.

So what are we really discussing here? I think we're discussing the snake's corpse as prove of Oro's death, which I think you agreed on your first post above that it's not prove, and I think the same thing. The corpse can't be prove because it would've still been there wether the ritual was succesful or not, or wether the ritual happened or not, no matter what happened during the fight the corpse would be there (assuming that Oro went all out during the fight and showed his true form).

[Raven]

I agree with Bud - the way I see it, is that Oro's soul transfer technique is complete, just not quite the way he imagined. I don't think it's accurate to call what he's left behind a "corpse" as such; it's just the body he was previously using, which technically is now a corpse but people are saying that he's dead or that Sasuke killed him which I don't believe is true.

He transferred his soul to Sasuke just like he intended and that part was successful. Whether or not it's the Sharingan, his hatred for his brother or the sheer power of his mind, Sasuke has resisted the takeover and is in control of Oro within his own body. I think when Kabuto said "Which one are you now?" he just meant in control of Sasuke's body, rather than whether or not it's Oro henged as Sasuke or Sasuke himself.

I'm pretty sure I'm just stating the obvious here but I dunno, seems like people are getting confused or something. Seems kind of simple to me.

[JaySee]

The corpse of the snake is not a hint at an unsuccessful ritual. Like I said, he could just take that form before he does the ritual. He could have completely failed at even beginning the ritual or not even attempt it. You're assuming a false dichotomy of the ritual happened and failed or the ritual happened successfully. There's another possibility that the ritual didn't happen at all and Oro just took that form to fight.

I'm saying Kabuto didn't know if the ritual happened at all and there's no proof there for him to "know" that it happened. That is until Sasuke told him.

[Munsu]

I think you didn't read my full post, I already covered those possibilities.

I never said the corpse was a hint of an unsuccessful ritual, I said if it were a hint Kabuto wouldn't have that confusion with who's controlling Sasuke's body (different words, same message). So what does this mean? This means that a corpse of a snake is not equal to Oro's death (though a possibility), but in the case of the ritual occurring the corpse of the snake is the outcome wether successful or not.

Kabuto saying "That's the skin of the Giant Snake. That means the ritual is already over!?" is evidence enough that he thought the ritual had occurred, of course you can argue that he couldn't have known for sure it occurred, but you can't deny the fact that he thought it did and we know it did.

So right off the bat, we can eliminate any significance the corpse of the snake has as to portray what happened in the confrontation between Sasuke and Oro. As I said in my post above, no matter what events occured during their fight at the end of it there would be a corpse of a snake wether there was a ritual or not (assuming Oro went all out in his true form). The only way there wouldn't be a corpse was if Oro had killed Sasuke (or he escaped or whatever) and he didn't go through the ritual. Again, read my post above again, I think I've presented enough evidence.

[JaySee]

My mistake, I skimmed your post in a rush this morning before I had to leave. Seems we're completely on the same page.

Just for fun, I'd like to throw in another possibility. Oro's corpse in snake form may in fact be proof the ritual was attempted. The purpose of that form may only be for the ritual and not his actual "ultimate" form as everyone is presuming. This is also jab at the people arguing that Sasuke fought Oro in his "ultimate" form and Naruto didn't. :D

[Munsu]

Yeah, we were pretty much in the same page, just some details in the middle we had a difference of opinion on, but the end result was pretty much the same.

It's been a while since I've read old Naruto chapters, so I'm wondering if this is the first time Orochimaru has taken this form?

In his fight with Naruto, Jiraiya, or The Third, he never took that form? Well being his "ultimate" form is debatable, but Sasuke mentioning that it's his real identity and Oro didn't deny it, so we know as much.

It's really hard to judge how good this true identity of his really is... Sasuke seemed to have an easy time with him, up to the point that the poison and the seal's true purpose started to affect Sasuke, so we can't really tell the strength especially when we still don't know the range of Sasuke's potential and on how wierd the whole setting of the fight was.

It would be interesting to see if Oro goes into his true identity form, if he can change back into his last container. I have a feeling that if Oro goes into that form, he has no choice but to find a new container or remain in that form (who knows how long that form lasts) until he dies. So if anyone knows if he's taken that form before, please let me know.

So in conclusion, that true identity may very well be his ultimate form, but I don't think we can know that for certain (would need to go back and re-read and see if I missed anything), but we can assume that it's his true identity and it may very well be that he only uses it when preparing for the ritual (we don't know what are the consequences of him going into his true identity if it's not to perform the ritual).

As a side note, since his fight with The Third, I really haven't seen him use all his great jutsus (to my recollection) like the reviving of the previous Hokages... anyone knows the reason for this?

[Knives122]

Well you could say that since then he was on the defensive and just didn't feel like killing anyone or something.(Naruto did attack him after all and so did Sasuke).

That or it was in a confined space and he didn't want to blow up his nice creepy pedophile like house.

[Assertn]

As a side note, since his fight with The Third, I really haven't seen him use all his great jutsus (to my recollection) like the reviving of the previous Hokages... anyone knows the reason for this?
Well, when the 3rd sealed oro's arms, he observed that the process would ultimately seal oro's jutsu. Now, we've all been lead to believe that this isn't the case when he took that other guy's body during the sasuke chase arc, and regained control of his arms.

However......why was oro sitting on his deathbed just prior to his confrontation with sasuke? He seemed to have been suffering similiarly to the shower scene when he was awaiting sasuke's arrival during teh chase arc, so maybe switching bodies did not in fact cure him completely from the side effects of the 3rd's seal.

[darkmetal505]

However......why was oro sitting on his deathbed just prior to his confrontation with sasuke? He seemed to have been suffering similiarly to the shower scene when he was awaiting sasuke's arrival during teh chase arc, so maybe switching bodies did not in fact cure him completely from the side effects of the 3rd's seal.

He was approaching his 3-year mark, no? He probably gets extremely weak during this period. Oro was on the edge; Kabuto recognized the urgency of the situation, and in 345, he said the soul transfer should occur that day.