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RyougaZell
Fri, 01-12-2007, 11:40 PM
Naruto 216 by Dattebayo

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DarthEnderX
Sat, 01-13-2007, 03:16 AM
Who in their right mind would make Gaara a teacher to kids?!

It's like ASKING for a whole pile of child corpses!

Much as I liked the "all 12 working together" thing at the end it doesn't make up for how oddly out of place the whole sand stuff in the early half was.

At least the bad guys look kinda cool.

JaySee
Sat, 01-13-2007, 07:55 AM
A promising beginning that will no doubt be ruined with poor enemies and a horrible ending.

Kraco
Sat, 01-13-2007, 08:07 AM
Who in their right mind would make Gaara a teacher to kids?!

Indeed. But at the same time I found it so genuinely hilarious that I actually laughed merrily when watching it. It was somewhat refreshing, as 99% of time when the fillers have made me laugh, it has been sarcastic or even ironic laughter. So, I have to say I think it was a good idea, even if not overly healthy for the children. But then again, most of the students seemed to gather the idea and rather chose Temari and Kankurou.

Yeah. This arc didn't look too bad. Let's hope they have tried their utmost to come up with a good filler arc now that the time of the fillers is ending.

UChessmaster
Sat, 01-13-2007, 12:21 PM
Where is tenten? o.0

DDBen
Sat, 01-13-2007, 02:24 PM
This episode was just full of silly holes.

Not only was Gaara as a teacher well disturbing as already stated but Shinkamaru's plan seemed well beyond flawed. You want none of your ambush team to act on there own so you pair up Naruto and Lee.... I mean sense when have those two kept there cool at any point. Sakura is leading any part of this and was so important to the mission he made a special request??? Sense when has Sakura had the ability to lead anyone. I would simply assume Neji to be the far more competent leader in that group.

Anyway I can't be mad at this filler as it should be the last one it just seems as always a bit off.

RyougaZell
Sat, 01-13-2007, 02:28 PM
Where is tenten? o.0

Indeed. Why put everyone except her? Damn filler writers.

Gaara as a teacher is awesome.

DarthEnderX
Sat, 01-13-2007, 02:45 PM
It was actually wierd seeing Gaara wielding that rope weapon. I mean, I'm sure Gaara has always been capable of quick movement, but it's something they've never showed before.

I'm used to seeing Gaara either just standing there while his sand does all the work, or hunched over like a slobbering monster.


Also, why is that kid even trying to become a ninja? I'll never fucking understand why so many characters that seem to not care for violence become ninjas in Naruto. What don't they understand about ninjas being jumping stabby guys?

Kraco
Sat, 01-13-2007, 03:15 PM
Well, ninjas are the soldiers of the hidden villages. If people living in the villages desire to have any role in defending their homes, then they need at least some basic training, and since the ninjas are the defence forces, ninja arts are the only available forms of defence education available. So, even if they all even didn't desire to become real ninjas for life, that would still be the way to go.

Like Eowyn said: "those without swords can still die upon them." The kid trying to receive teaching from Gaara seemed to have learned that the hard way.

Mr. Roboto
Sat, 01-13-2007, 03:21 PM
i like how the kid tried to pick up the huge club. stupid kid. it was nice to see that kakashi is still alive. if i didn't know any better, i would have thought that he was the one away training with jiraiya.

redcat
Sat, 01-13-2007, 08:46 PM
is gaaras student a guy or a girl?

pisses me off when i cant tell

DDBen
Sat, 01-13-2007, 09:15 PM
is gaaras student a guy or a girl?

pisses me off when i cant tell

I would have to say a girl but hey its anime so I could be wrong.

Skaw
Sat, 01-13-2007, 11:03 PM
I think Tenten might be missing because, in an overall group as large as that, she doesn't bring anything really useful to the table. She's a weapons specialist. But then again, every ninja is trained to use weapons to an acceptable degree in the academy, so that ground is pretty much covered. You have so many people available to throw shuriken around, is one more person really needed?

Sure, she could summon something big and/or deadly, but remember the time that happened during the Gennou filler? That kind of disappointing character usage is better left just not occuring at all. As well, she's just not flashy enough and would be pretty much ignored anyway when compared to any action Lee, Naruto, and Gaara perform.

Mizuchi
Sat, 01-13-2007, 11:08 PM
Did anyone notice that kakashi's voice sounds incredibly different? Or is that just me from not having heard it so long and watching american naruto?

Animation was terrible, no real progression, went too slow. At least it'll be over soon =)

Skaw
Sat, 01-13-2007, 11:17 PM
Didn't notice Kakashi sounding any different, but Pakkun did.

JaySee
Sun, 01-14-2007, 01:18 AM
Both of their voices sound wrong. I hated the way Kakashi laughed. And it's completely wrong that Kakashi got caught off-guard by Pakkun. It's even more wrong that he hid his comic. Kakashi is supposed to be COOL!

Yukimura
Sun, 01-14-2007, 03:59 AM
This episode seemed different in several ways. The tree jumping was much more like crazy monkeys jumping through trees and trying to score style points as opposed to the standard flying with the occasional step routine. Also, the way Garaa looked and moved didn't seem to mesh with the way he was in the Chase arc. Neji and Hinata on the same two-man team seems unnesecary, but Neji and Shino can probably protect Hinata and Sakura best so maybe that's the reason.

I don't hold much promise for this arc, but since it's going to be like 13 vs 4 i'm sure some crazy nonsense will occur, maybe Naruto and Garaa will go deamon tag team or something, that might be fun to see.

DarthEnderX
Sun, 01-14-2007, 03:24 PM
Don't forget, the badguys were building "THE ULTIMATE WEAPON!"

I don't even understand the concept behind this village.

"They're the ones who create ninja missions."

What the hell does that even mean? Missions come from employers. Are you saying this village is where they write your missions down on scrolls for you? Is this a village of ninja scribes? It doesn't make any sense.

Kraco
Sun, 01-14-2007, 03:41 PM
I was also wondering about that, and the only explanation I could come up with is that the village was some sort of central place, where the hidden villages had their representatives and some one requiring services could then visit the agents of various villages finding the best offer. After all, the hidden villages themselves apparently aren't open to just anybody trying to walk in, as was demonstrated how Naruto and WhatHisNameWasFlutePlayingBoy. They barely allowed Naruto to let the dude into the village.

So, in order to contact anybody from the hidden villages, the customers would need to meet representatives elsewhere.

Although maybe it would be better to not try to analyze fillers too deeply...

Danad_corps
Mon, 01-15-2007, 02:10 AM
What Kraco says makes the most sense. Either that or the people with a need of services goes there tells the center what he/she needs and then they use the delivery shinobi (remember that stupid arc from way back when) to deliver the missions to the various hidden villages. In any sense, that was just one of the plot holes.

My big questions is why is there a four-man team of reconnaissance/medic shinobi when Sakura is the only one who has had any sort of formal training? I understand that Hinata and Neji will deal with the reconnaissance part but what the hell is Shino doing there?

Furthermore, isn't it wrong to send a bunch of kids to fight THE ULTIMATE WEAPON?

btw Pakkun's voice really did sound weird. I hope the real voice actor protested until they get the series back to the manga storyline but i highly doubt it :(
I think Tenten is quilting sweaters for everyone back at home. Its the ONLY reason to be left out of the mission.

Yukimura
Mon, 01-15-2007, 02:17 AM
I think Tenten is quilting sweaters for everyone back at home. Its the ONLY reason to be left out of the mission.

That and the fact that she's not particularly popular and even less interesting than Ino. Sakura is at least engaging b/c she's so 'hateable' but all Tenten has ever made me feel was...meh, when will this scene be over...

DarthEnderX
Mon, 01-15-2007, 01:22 PM
My big questions is why is there a four-man team of reconnaissance/medic shinobi when Sakura is the only one who has had any sort of formal training? I understand that Hinata and Neji will deal with the reconnaissance part but what the hell is Shino doing there?Shino is also very good at reconnaissance. He can spread his bugs out to canvas a wide area and then can return to him with information without the enemy noticing.

UChessmaster
Mon, 01-15-2007, 01:29 PM
maybe ten ten will come at last minute and save everyone? cant say that isnt a surprise

Mordecai
Mon, 01-15-2007, 05:31 PM
When I read the post about the characters jumping through the forest while in poses, I laughed SO hard when I actually finished watching the episode; it's so true! Just seeing them float across the scene, rarely landing to jump on a branch...I couldn't stop laughing.

redcat
Mon, 01-15-2007, 07:44 PM
at least naruto wasnt upside down this time

Super5
Mon, 01-15-2007, 11:04 PM
All I can say is, Wow. That was the probably the best filler I've seen. Normally filler is chock-full of inane and stupid plots, with character degradation, but this filler was actually pretty good.

First off, we get the sand in a filler and they're not completely lame. Gaara was actually in character, which was a pleasant surprise. There was some strategy - for example, in the typical filler, Gaara and Co. would have just started chasing the 4 bad guys as soon as the student was kidnapped. Here they actually went to the Sand council to discuss the situation! I was in shock when it was apparent the writers put some thought into the story. After all, if some ninjas can effortlessly wipe out an entire patrol, you shouldn't just chase after them unprepared.

Still, there were some problems. The sand's reason of possibly getting rid of Gaara (the reason why they won't send any jounin after the kidnappers) is ludicrous. I mean, they created Gaara, and now they don't want him? Makes no sense at all. I imagine Baki will come to save their asses though. Also, the village that hands out missions is waaaaaay off manga I think. Didn't we see representatives from feudal lands coming to request missions in person near the beginning of Naruto? Plus, a lot of missions were stupid easy things like finding cats and things.

I don't see a problem with the ways the teams are set up. A medical team is a good idea for a mission like this. I liked the "return the favor" idea of Shikamaru's, it gives a tie-in to the manga which is always a good thing. The only real problem is that this arc will only be 2 more episodes, so things must be wrapped up quickly, which is a shame. I'm sure they'll kill off the bad guys in really fast and unrealistic scenarios - it is 13 vs. 4 after all. I have high hopes though.

Animeniax
Mon, 01-15-2007, 11:08 PM
Pretty good episode, though it seems to be a bit of a rehash of the Sasuke-chase arc. They even admitted to it but tried to explain the differences, which was kind of lame, but it's filler, so what can you say.

Animation was pretty good, with the usual filler character lapses.

To address some of your concerns, Shikamaru wanted Sakura along because she's a medical ninja and he knew this would be a tricky mission that might require her medical powers. When they're running through the trees, it was kind of weird, but still better than in recent fillers where they run along the road. Not sure why Tenten wasn't included, but I'm sure that will be revealed, or not.

Oh, and there were 4 bad guys this time, so it looks like they listened to complaints about it always being groups of 3 bad guys.

DarthEnderX
Tue, 01-16-2007, 10:14 PM
Well that's because the good guys aren't a team of 3 this time either.

Add an extra 10 good guys and you get to have 1 more badguy!

Necromas
Wed, 01-17-2007, 07:39 AM
My big questions is why is there a four-man team of reconnaissance/medic shinobi when Sakura is the only one who has had any sort of formal training? I understand that Hinata and Neji will deal with the reconnaissance part but what the hell is Shino doing there?

The bugs are friggen awesome for reconnaissance, that's why he was sending out waves of em to scan the area. Also, we've seen before that Shino's father had bugs which could extract the uber deadly poison Kankuro had, so there could be some medical potential in him.

Mizuchi
Wed, 01-17-2007, 06:30 PM
Why are konoha genin always sent out to try and kill jounin-level ninja???

Kraco
Wed, 01-17-2007, 06:49 PM
The Springtime of youth is unstoppable. That's reason enough, I reckon...

Animeniax
Thu, 01-18-2007, 05:51 AM
Why are konoha genin always sent out to try and kill jounin-level ninja??? Too true. It was even a little unplausible way back when they took on the Sound 5 and won. They each had to take it to their limit, but in the end they defeated enemies with superior abilities, including the ability to "power up". During filler time, it's routine.

Maybe the difference between Jounin and Genin isn't so much power level and ability, but more the knack for leadership and increased mastery of skills and techniques. Even with superior skills though, having heart and inventiveness can win out, so the Genins stand a chance against Jounin. Or maybe it's just poor writing. Or maybe Konoha lives by higher standards, so it's tougher to gain Jounin level than at other villages.

FullMetalAlchemist
Thu, 01-18-2007, 10:41 AM
The sound 5 thing is a little diffrent when compared to these fillers though. You have to remember the sound five fought a couple of jounin in the forest before fighting the genin. They where weekened, and had to use the cursed seal to take them out also. Also the only two that were killed by one genin where considered the weakest, and lost to a genius/chunin level ninja (in skill at least) "neji", and a steroid induced chouji (he should have lost still lol). While the others had to be killed by 2 genin/chunin each. After they where tired out fighting 1 person they had to face sand ninja also. Also kimi fought garra which we all know isn't genin lvl at all.

What im saying is atleast in the real story they had little things to make it more believeable, instead of fillers where everyone is unstopable.

Necromas
Fri, 01-19-2007, 08:05 AM
The sound 5 thing is a little diffrent when compared to these fillers though. You have to remember the sound five fought a couple of jounin in the forest before fighting the genin. They where weekened, and had to use the cursed seal to take them out also. Also the only two that were killed by one genin where considered the weakest, and lost to a genius/chunin level ninja (in skill at least) "neji", and a steroid induced chouji (he should have lost still lol). While the others had to be killed by 2 genin/chunin each. After they where tired out fighting 1 person they had to face sand ninja also. Also kimi fought garra which we all know isn't genin lvl at all.

What im saying is atleast in the real story they had little things to make it more believeable, instead of fillers where everyone is unstopable.

Well, in this they have like a dozen genin vs. 4 people we can assume are jounin level, so it's about 3v1. And they don't have uberizing curse seals (I hope).

DarthEnderX
Fri, 01-19-2007, 01:29 PM
Also remember that 4 of the Sound 5 are only Chuunins.

Necromas
Fri, 01-19-2007, 09:21 PM
Also remember that 4 of the Sound 5 are only Chuunins.

2nd level curse seal definitely brings them above Chuunin level in combat ability.

Danad_corps
Sat, 01-20-2007, 01:48 AM
Why are konoha genin always sent out to try and kill jounin-level ninja???

Everyone else's jounin suck...duh! Actually thats always been something I've hated about every single one of these fillers. Usually its just naruto vs. the commander of the enemy jounin and Naruto wins easily (hes able to happily walk home after the fight).

Btw, the part I didn't understand about the recon/med team was why would they put the 3 recon people in medical positions if anything happens, especially if the 3 recon people have absolutely no idea what they are doing medically (maybe with the exception of Shino and his poison-sucking insects).