Kanon (2006)

[Munsu]

Here's a prelude to the remake series of Kanon released by Sprocket-Melody:
http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/%5BSprocket_-_Melody%5D_Kanon_Prelude_%5BH264-AC3%5D%5B45011F07%5D.mkv.torrent
http://a.scarywater.net/sprockethole/%5BSprocket_-_Melody%5D_Kanon_Prelude_%5BXVID-AC3%5D%5BF132D59B%5D.avi.torrent

Another version released by The Waffle House [TWH]:
http://thewafflehouse.net/releases/Kanon_Prelude_[TWH].torrent


READ BEFORE POSTING:

This is a thread to discuss the Kanon remake, there will be absolutely no discussion regarding the original series. Violations will be considered spoiling, and will be dealt with a severe warning and possibly a ban from the forums. Beware of browsing wikipedia and other sites about the series, you'll probably find yourself reading alot of spoilers.


"Announced by TBS and Pony Canyon at the Tokyo International Animation Fair 2006.

A remake of the Kanon series which was shown 2002. This time production and animation is done by Kyoto Animation, the same team which was already behind the AIR TV conversion, as opposed to Toei which was responsible for the 2002 series.

Broadcast scheduled to fall 2006. The series will have the same seiyuu cast which already was in the original.

*based on Key Visual Art`s visual-novel by the same name*

One snowy winter`s day...

I sit on a bench near the station, waiting to meet my cousin Nayuki Minase; it`s been seven years since I last saw her.

This place is far from the town where I was born and lived until yesterday.
This is where Nayuki lives with her mother, who has offered to take me in, now that I am forced to move so suddenly.

And this is the town in which my faintest, cloudiest childhood memories are set...

A young man, Yuuichi Aizawa, gets off a train and leaves the station as he enters a town that is blanketed by snow. He left the area seven years ago and has now returned to his memories that he left behind. Although his past is blurry in his mind, the girls that still remember him and that he had relationships begin to help him remember. While this happens, the bad memories of his past also begin to come back, and will eventually haunt him."

http://www.bs-i.co.jp/anime/kanon/
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6431
http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=4404
http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,3729,ctuthy,kanon__2006_.html

[RyougaZell]

Animation looks quite good.

I never played the game (never found a translated version, or a translation patch), but I did saw the "original" series. And just a few minutes of the prelude already hooked me.

Im expecting a lot from this series, I just hope Im not dissapointed as I was with Air.

[Munsu]

Prelude by EnA:
http://a.scarywater.net/ena/%5BEnA%5D_Kanon_-_Prelude_%5B6AF4E92E%5D.avi.torrent

I think it's pretty obvious that this series will be overly oversubbed.

[Kraco]

Prelude by EnA:
http://a.scarywater.net/ena/%5BEnA%5D_Kanon_-_Prelude_%5B6AF4E92E%5D.avi.torrent

I think it's pretty obvious that this series will be overly oversubbed.

Yeah, that's indeed something that can hardly be called surprising. I watched the old Kanon in the first place because Fred Gallagher mentioned it in his rant or blog, and I'm pretty sure 10000 other people did the same thing... >_> And that's of course only a fraction of the whole scheme. Talk about a hot show.

I'll check this EnA prelude version - simply because that abbreviation sounds more convincing than the names of those other groups...

[Munsu]

Sprocket I've never heard of. Melody is some new group, I think they are subbing Bimbou Shimai Monogatari, and I think they are bad from what I've read around. EnA, I haven't seen anything. And The Waffle House is a manga group, don't know about their subbing skills.

[RyougaZell]

I'll have to go with the most "known" group when the series comes out.

Or maybe I'll recheck my old version of Kanon and see who subbed it, to see if they will repeat the honors.

Who is Fred Gallagher?

[Munsu]

I think a.f.k. is picking this up, I'll probably go with them. Though I don't like how they always switch the names to First Name, Last Name format.

[Kraco]

Seemed like high production values based on the prelude. And of course that makes sense: No use to make a new version unless you have the means to do it well. Whilst I didn't see anything wrong with the EnA's work on this prelude, who knows, if a.f.k. starts to sub this, I might choose them just for old times sake.


Who is Fred Gallagher?
The author of MegaTokyo. I have picked some animes based on his writings (at least Air, Kanon, Magikano, and Mahoraba. Don't remember others right away, but there likely are some).

[Church]

...and I'm pretty sure 10000 other people did the same thing... [

Yeah, I'm one of the 10,000 other people. :D
So this is 24 episodes... much longer than the original.

[Munsu]

Hah, I have better opinions than that so called Fred Gallagher. Just follow my lead.

[RyougaZell]

a.f.k.?
I liked their work with Haruhi. If they pick it up, I'll have to download their version.

There was a nasty rumor several months ago, that because Kanon was given the 24 episode number, Haruhi only had 12. But this theory seems to have been proven wrong later.

Back to the prelude.
If the series mantain (sp?) the same quality, I can say it will be even better than Air's animation.

[Kraco]

Static-subs in collaboration with Eclipse presents the first episode of the Kanon remake:

Kanon 1 (xvid) - SS-Eclipse (http://www.staticsubs.org/releases/torrent.php?id=393)
Kanon 1 (h264) - SS-Eclipse (http://www.staticsubs.org/releases/torrent.php?id=392)

Edit: I have to confess my image of Kanon is highly coloured by the fact it seems to enjoy a status of cult following and high hype. Not perhaps in the same extent as Suzumiya Haruhi, but some sort of extravagant attention anyway. Thus my memories of the original were affected by a counteraction. Well, that is why I was all the more pleased when this episode was quite good indeed. I have nothing to complain about.

Tomokazu Sugita (Kyon from Suzumiya Haruhi) fits perfectly in the role of Yuuichi. In fact having watched Suzumiya Haruhi probably makes watching this series twice as nice, because there's something similar between those two roles, and so you get nice memories of similar behavior patterns from The Melancholy.

Definitively a series I'll keep watching. Needless to say, Static-subs and Eclipse did very good work with the subbing.

[Munsu]

a.f.k. version:
http://a.scarywater.net/afk/%5Ba.f.k.%5D%20Kanon%20-%2001.avi.torrent

[Kraco]

The snowy days of the past and the present continue to merge together:

Episode 2 xvid - SS-Eclipse (http://www.point-blank.cc:16384/allowed/torrent.php/%5BSS-Eclipse%5D%20Kanon%20-%2002%20(XviD)%20%5B53F2DD97%5D.avi.torrent)
Episode 2 h264 - SS-Eclipse (http://www.point-blank.cc:16384/allowed/torrent.php/%5BSS-Eclipse%5D%20Kanon%20-%2002%20(h264)%20%5BD639E918%5D.mkv.torrent)

Edit: A very nice episode. I don't know why this series works so well and if it requires predisposition and not minding the slightly odder than normal female character design, but it just works. And of course the fact the dude is so similar to Kyon (like I stated already earlier) makes it consistently better.

[RyougaZell]

Currently downloading the 2nd episode by Eclipse.

I liked the detail they put ont the series.

Like Nayuki's mom using hot water to un-freeze the lock.

Definitely better than Air.

[Kraco]

The snow keeps piling:

Episode 3 Xvid - SS-Eclipse (http://tracker.danomac.org/torrents/%5BSS-Eclipse%5D_Kanon_-_03_(XviD)_%5BE13480EB%5D.avi.torrent)
Episode 3 h264 - SS-Eclipse (http://tracker.danomac.org/torrents/%5BSS-Eclipse%5D_Kanon_-_03_(h264)_%5B312179B4%5D.mkv.torrent)

[kooshi]

This series has been really well done. I didn't find the first season interesting (heck, I even stopped about halfway through), but this remake is just excellent. I can only hope that it'll stay like this for the rest of the series.

Also, did anyone else notice that Kyoto is sticking in some Haruhi Suzumiya references in these Kanon episodes?

In episode 2:
- Yuichi's introduction was considered normal, but he said that if there were any introductions that were not normal, he would like to see it. Obviously, this can be seen as a reference to Suzumiya's introduction
- When Yuichi was found by Kaori, he said that he suddenly saw Kaori there. Kaori responds by asking why he is narrating. This is a reference to Kyon's speeches when it was undetermined if he was speaking out loud or to himself
- While Kaori was leading Yuichi out of the school, she thought that he was a spy from a secret organization, but he claims that he's an ordinary transfer student. This can be a reference to Itsuki.

Episode 3:
- When Mai said that she was going home, Sayuri said that she was going to the library. Mai then decides to follow Sayuri. This can be a reference to Nagato's liking to the library since Nagato and Mai's voices sound very similar (and probably their characteristics).

[Ryllharu]

That last one is a huge stretch. Mai is voiced by Yukari Tamura, and Yuki from Haruhi was voiced by Minori Chihara. Personally, I don't think they sound at all alike, even considering they're both playing emotionless characters. Yukari Tamura's voice is pretty distinctive. Sayuri was the one who wanted to go to the library. It's more likely that Mai just tags along wherever Sayuri goes. I suspect we'll see a reason why Mai stays at school. I mean, she's in the hallway at night with a sword at the end of eps 3 for a reason, right?

The eps 2 ones are correct, but the last one is totally off base.

[Bucket]

Episode 2 seems to be down. Any ideas?

[Zati]

You can get it off Eclipse or SS IRC channel, the second option is to download the a.f.k. version and maybe third is just wait for them to fix the torrents.

[kooshi]

That last one is a huge stretch. Mai is voiced by Yukari Tamura, and Yuki from Haruhi was voiced by Minori Chihara. Personally, I don't think they sound at all alike, even considering they're both playing emotionless characters. Yukari Tamura's voice is pretty distinctive. Sayuri was the one who wanted to go to the library. It's more likely that Mai just tags along wherever Sayuri goes. I suspect we'll see a reason why Mai stays at school. I mean, she's in the hallway at night with a sword at the end of eps 3 for a reason, right?

The eps 2 ones are correct, but the last one is totally off base.

Haha, I admit that the last one is VERY vague ^^

[Kraco]

With 24 episodes, the spring is still far away, and snow shall it be for the time being:

Episode 4 h264 - SS-Eclipse (http://tracker.danomac.org/torrents/%5BSS-Eclipse%5D_Kanon_-_04_(h264)_%5BBEE3F1E3%5D.mkv.torrent)
Episode 4 xvid - SS-Eclipse (http://tracker.danomac.org/torrents/%5BSS-Eclipse%5D_Kanon_-_04_(XviD)_%5BE64A461A%5D.avi.torrent)

Edit: 24 episodes, not 26 like I first wrote...

[Bucket]

Wow, that was timely.

Don't look now-- but I'm actually going to start watching it, which means we won't see E5 until December.

[Kraco]

A nice episode. I don't remember much from the old Kanon, so this is almost like a new series for me, aside from some bigger facts. That's of course jolly good. But I did remember Mai had a European style sword in the old one, and she still has one in this new version, which is a nice detail. Everybody knows European swords are better against ghosts than Japanese katanas, after all.

[Zati]

Here it is just released by SS-Eclipse!

Episode 5 (XviD) - SS-Eclipse (http://dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2005%20(XviD)%20%5b32551E12%5d.avi.torrent)

Episode 5 (h264) - SS-Eclipse (http://dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2005%20(h264)%20%5b0D9A0736%5d.mkv.torrent)

[Bucket]

Yoink!

I watched E1 of the old series... strage how it feels this remake is taking its time setting up the cast while the old one zoomed along.

[Kraco]

This was one fine episode indeed. The go buy a porn magazine scene is simply awesome...

This show is really pleasant watch due to the high production values and attention to details. 5 episodes and I haven't seen a single thing that would have bothered me. It's like this was polished to perfection. And although I'm repeating it to death here and there, but Kyon's voice actor is 150% fitting for his role in this series. Honestly, people should be required to first watch Suzumiya Haruhi, then this series.

[Bucket]

Heh, this episode was great. Finally, a main character who'd react like I would instead of going "whaa...?" all the time.

[Yukimura]

This show gets better each episode! Hearing Yuuichi/Kyon's voice giving Mikoto (AKA Asuka Langely Soryu AKA Mikuru Asahina) the daddy speech over sepending all the money was pricelsss.

[lambchopsil]

And ep6 is out! Eclipse & Static-Subs just released it.

/me looks at the one seeder and hopes it speeds up soon~

[Kraco]

And here are the links lambchopsil forgot to post:

Episode 6 h264 - SS-Eclipse (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2006%20(h264)%20%5b4C9FA293%5d.mkv.torrent)
Episode 6 xvid - SS-Eclipse (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2006%20(XviD)%20%5b30A03CF2%5d.avi.torrent)

Oh, what would friday be without the weekly Kanon dose? A lot more boring, I tell you all!

Edit: A good episode once again. Hard to imagine anymore this series letting you down with any episode. Perhaps this one didn't have so many highlights as some of the earlier ones, but still there were some, most notably perhaps the movie (I wish they would release it as an ova, sounded like good stuff...).

It's also funny how Yuuichi was so similar back when he was just a kid. A good detail.

[kooshi]

Certainly a great episode. Not a lot happened, but it was still very enjoyable.
My favorite part would have to be the movie bit (which will most likely be the same for everybody else). It was so freaking bloody hilarious, I ended up choking on my lunch.

"Hey, a body blew up."

[Yukimura]

Ah more of Akiko-san's awesomeness. Of all the charachters, I just like her the most, probably because she's the quintissential mother figure and she's so damned good at it. I'm starting to wonder what the deal with Mai is, since I didn't think this was a supernatural show and she's really diggign in on this demon and precognition thing.

[RyougaZell]

An awesome episode.
I liked how they even used actual things, like the Manga Cafe.

Shiori and Ayu definitely still are my favorites... (ever since the first version of this anime)

[Kraco]

Let's seek for more Akiko-san's awesomeness...

Episode 7 xvid - SS-Eclipse (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2007%20(XviD)%20%5bF99EB1BB%5d.avi.torrent)
Episode 7 h264 - SS-Eclipse (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2007%20(h264)%20%5b543A9483%5d.mkv.torrent)

[Yukimura]

Akikio was once again awesome, though she wasn't featured as much as in the last episodes, but the jam was excellent. Nayuki made up for it with her brainless Neko-ing and general cuteness. I'm really getting the sense that each episode is just another day for the charachters and everything that happens is just them being themselves. While a lot of things are repetitive; the charachters are just so great that it's always fresh and nice.

[NeoCybercoin]

The part where Makoto dropped the cat. I was like"O_O I KNEW IT XD"

[Kraco]

I have a kind of foggy layer of memories from the old version, and thus I can never know if something was expectable in that way, or if I just remembered it from the old Kanon.

[Kraco]

Let's get the cat back on the table and go on with Kanon:

Episode 8 xvid - SS-Eclipse (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2008%20(XviD)%20%5bCD2AF606%5d.avi.torrent)
Episode 8 h264 - SS-Eclipse (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2008%20(h264)%20%5bB3500208%5d.mkv.torrent)

[NeoCybercoin]

Wow, this really is a great anime. Pieces are falling back into place.

[Kraco]

Aye. This is one of those animes, along with Suzumiya Haruhi and some others, that are really worth the hype.

Characters sharpened to strong fates and pasts. And they all have their own meaning and reason to be what they are. Elements like that are exactly what I want to see in stories. Well, the central idea of this show is for Yuuichi to remember his past (which means rediscover the multitude of girls of his womanizing past of course...). This has to be the best kind of harem anime you can have. Because it doesn't really feel like a harem anime at all.

[RyougaZell]

Ive been looking for ages for a translation patch for the game. Sadly none has been found in years.

Ep 8 was excellent. And thankfully Amano did appear, unlike the 'old' anime where she was mostly ignored.

[Yukimura]

Well, I was wondering what was supernatural about this show, I guess Makoto being a Kitsune counts. But as Kraco said, it's the way the charachters are portrayed so well and so deeply that makes this show great. I wonder what other surprises Yuuichi's past has in store.

[Bucket]

I don't know... I kind of feel like I just got bonked over the head with a major plot device.

[Kraco]

Oh, how torturous a week would be without a new Kanon episode. Too dreadful to even imagine. So, let's get it while it's still hot.

Episode 9 xvid - SS-Eclipse (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2009%20(XviD)%20%5bFF6E3B02%5d.avi.torrent)
Episode 9 h264 - SS-Eclipse (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2009%20(h264)%20%5bA072206E%5d.mkv.torrent)

[NeoCybercoin]

This is why is just love this show. I can't really explain what is so good and interesting about it. But it has the certain "thing" you need for a good anime.

[kooshi]

Another great episode, the best part possibility being Makato having her mindset going back to a small child. With all the build-up on Yuiichi taking care of her, I think that there's a very high probability that Makato is eventually going to die or something, resulting in some sort of really sad ending on her part of the story (it'll certainly add more to the already great story so far). Maybe episode 10 is the last time we will ever see her?

[Yukimura]

Kanon - 10 by SS-Eclipse [XViD-avi] (http://tracker.danomac.org/torrents/%5BSS-Eclipse%5D_Kanon_-_10_(XviD)_%5B1E79D03C%5D.avi.torrent)
Kanon - 10 by SS-Eclipse [h264-mkv] (http://tracker.danomac.org/torrents/%5BSS-Eclipse%5D_Kanon_-_10_(h264)_%5B7D457922%5D.mkv.torrent)
I'll always love you Makoto!

[NeoCybercoin]

Amen to that. Great episode. And here I thought it was the end of the show :P

[Bucket]

Yup. Their beautiful relationship ended with such a touching and bittersweet... oh, nevermind.

[RyougaZell]

Kanon 11 AVI (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2011%20(XviD)%20%5bDA7E5421%5d.avi.torrent) MKV (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2011%20(h264)%20%5bEF06DD83%5d.mkv.torrent)

Another excellent episode.

[Yukimura]

Indeed, and it seems like the Minase house just isn't quite right without a short scatter-brained redhead around to make life interesting. I'm glad they brought Ayu in so fast, as hopefully now we'll find out more about her. Also, does anyone else think Shiori might be a ghost?(Don't answer if you already know please) For some reason I keep getting that feeling that she's lingering outside the school because she regrets something in the past, but she can't do anything about it.

I still can't believe someone found a way to take every emotion that can cause tear formation, roll them together and create an anime.

[Ryllharu]

Shiori is definitely the most mysterious character now that Makoto is gone. She cuts off right after impliying more than just teachers wouldn't want to see her in the school.

No love for Mai though? She's a lot like another emotionless doll from another series (Nagato Yuki perhaps?) Yuuichi raising her hands in a Banzai pose, very cute. Well, next eps should primarily be a Mai episode by the looks of it.

[kooshi]

Shiori, a ghost?? Considering what happened with Makoto, I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. If a story has a fox that can take the shape of a human (and still function like one.... generally), then a ghost wouldn't be as surprising.

[Kraco]

Also, does anyone else think Shiori might be a ghost?(Don't answer if you already know please) For some reason I keep getting that feeling that she's lingering outside the school because she regrets something in the past, but she can't do anything about it.

Heh. I have watched the old one, and I remember very little of what Shiori's case is. I'm kind of lucky to have forgotten so much. I did remember how Makoto ends up and of course much of Ayuayu, seeing how she is so central overall (and thus it's good she's back now that the Makoto arc is over.

I had also totally forgotten about the ball. Since Mai is so interesting a character, I'm actually mostly looking forward to it right now. It should have some good stuff, although, to repeat myself over and over, I don't remember exactly what.

[Bucket]

I always thought Shiori was a terminal case, like a brain tumor or something. She keeps saying she's sick, but leaves it at that. She also gets amused when Yuichi gives her advice on how to get better.

[Board of Command]

The part near the beginning where they talk about wearing the same clothes everyday...

VERY WELL-DONE!

[Yukimura]

Kanon - 12 by SS-Eclipse (http://www.dreality.net/Deidryt/Torrents/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2012%20(XviD)%20%5b37B71087%5d.avi.torrent)
Another wonderful Kanon ep, Mai looked remarkable! Also I'm even more confident that Shiori is somehow dead or otherwise far removed from the norm, though I can't explain why that freshman girl can see her if she is in fact dead.

[Board of Command]

Kanon 13 (XviD) - SS & Eclipse (http://www.staticsubs.org/releases/torrent.php?id=443)

Kanon 13 (H264) - SS & Eclipse (http://www.staticsubs.org/releases/torrent.php?id=442)

[Kraco]

Really good episodes, 12 and 13. I was lucky to have two of them at hand right after returning home. Mai indeed looked wonderful in the ball, and the whole thing was well executed, as everything in this series. It's also interesting how we still know relatively little about Mai's past despite the significant amount of screen time she has got. But on the other hand, you can't say her character wouldn't be very well depicted and developed already.

This is certainly an interesting, and quite unique, series in how everything that's happening is kind of continuation or consequence of something that happened in the past, and just like the series description says, this is all about discovering that (lost) past. Sticking to well defined themes makes series strong and good.

[Kraco]

It's likely the Mai arc is drawing near the conclusion, but let's enjoy it while it lasts:

Episode 14 h264 - SS-Eclipse (http://torrent.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2014%20(h264)%20%5bDC698FA0%5d.mkv.torrent)
Episode 14 xvid - SS-Eclipse (http://torrent.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2014%20(XviD)%20%5b61B4DB42%5d.avi.torrent)

[Yukimura]

Another beautifully done episode, no show has ever taken me on this level of emotional roller coaster. The details, the actions and reactions of the characters, everything just feels amazingly well put together.

The Saiyuri back story was very nice, and now I finally understand why I hear the word Saiyuri in nearly every sentence Saiyuri utters, she's talking in the third person...I really wish the translators made that more evident.

Something else that's been bugging me, several of the characters seem to have a trademark sound they make often. Auu for Makoto, Uguu for Ayu and Ahaha for Saiyuri. Makoto turned out to be a magic fox, and demons seem to like chasing Saiyuri around. Also all three 'lost ' something in the past which they seem to be looking for. I'm starting to think that the creator gave distinctive sounds to the characters that would have plots weaved around them, meaning that a fairly deep Ayu plot is probably in the future, however Shiori doesn't have any distinctive sound that I have noticed but she seems to be roiling for a plot of her own. So maybe I'm wrong...

[Kraco]

So far all the background stories have been really good. While Sayuri's perhaps is more traditional, and didn't immediately seem connected to Yuiichi, it explained her personality finely; how she is a real ojousama yet is so kind and generous.

I don't think the sounds are particularly significant in that manner. Most of them are likely just cute sounds present often in certain kinds of manga and anime. I guess they are very evident in this one, though, as was the case also with Air, where it was underlined even more. Now we only have Yuiichi sometimes making fun of those pseudo words. I'd say at bottom they are just moe elements.

[Ryllharu]

I don't think there's all that much significance to their sounds. Most of them have one, or something that counts for one. Shiori puts a lot of emphasis and a lilt on '-san' ("Yuu-ichi-san~"), Nayuki has her sleepy noises, and Mai, Mai is well...deadpan.

Sayuri's backstory provides a huge amount to her character and her relationship to Mai. Even if it's a tragic traditional one, it was really moving. I'm not going to deny it made me cry.

Mai's breakdown in the construction yard was another very moving scene from this episode. There's a lot of pain and loneliness that makes Mai who she is apparently. I can't wait to see where they take this.

[NeoCybercoin]

When I saw Sayuri entering the school I knew something was gonna happen to her but I didn't want to think about what. When I saw her laying there I did nearly cry O_o

And Mai's breakdown was very well made. So much emotion. I can't wait untill next week.

[RyougaZell]

An extremely well made episode.
Im very glad the series got remaked, the previous one, while good, never had this depth of sentiment.

[shinta|hikari]

Actually, I hated the fact that this sequel was even made. I thought that money would have been better spent making the sequel for Full Metal Panic or Haruhi, and that Gonzo was wasting money on remaking what I found to be a poorly executed series.

I was wrong.

[RyougaZell]

Actually, I hated the fact that this sequel was even made. I thought that money would have been better spent making the sequel for Full Metal Panic or Haruhi, and that Gonzo was wasting money on remaking what I found to be a poorly executed series.

I was wrong.

Since I didn't like FMP I disagree there (but hey! its a free world)

Haruhi from the very start was planned for 14 eps. They never expected it to get so famous.

Kanon was announced even before Haruhi started airing.

[shinta|hikari]

Full Metal Panic gets much much better in the next novels. It becomes a lot more serious and tragic, as well as realistic (well as realistic as their world can get).

Im thinking more like since Haruhi did get so famous, they could have just delayed the release of Kanon, and focused more on one of the above. I guess that would indeed be unreasonable, since its probably already half made by then. But like you said, its a free world, I want what I want, it doesnt have to come true.

But that was before I watched Kanon 2006. Haruhi and FMP are among my favorites, and the fact that I ceased hating Gonzo after watching Kanon 2006 really is something, especially for a remake (I never usually watch such things).

[Ryllharu]

Why do you keep mentioning Gonzo? Kyoto Animation (KyoAni) is the company involved in FMP:TSR (Fumoffu and TSR only), the Kanon remake, and Suzumiya Haruhi. Gonzo was only involved on the first FMP.

This is the Kanon thread, stop talking about other series and how bad they may or may not need a sequel.

[shinta|hikari]

Umm, sorry bout the Gonzo thing, mistook them for Kyoto Animation, precisely because the first FMP was made by Gonzo.

Uh, and if you read my post, I was talking about Kanon, though not specific parts about it. I just compared it to the other series that I liked in order to express how well it is made. I just mentioned other series twice, once to tell how Kanon surprised me in a good way, and the second to clarify what I said since someone commented on it.

If someone read the post and also shared my initial view on the other series and the remake, I thought that would give them a good idea of how good kanon 2006 is, and that it is worth watching.

I dont really want to criticize anyone, but it was pretty clear that my posts were about Kanon. Comparing, even if it is on the criteria of my personal taste, is in fact a good way to explain things. Sorry if you didnt get it, or dont agree with me on this point.

[Kraco]

The whole extent of Mai's determination is finally measured:

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[Bucket]

Excellent timing.

[Kraco]

A really excellent episode. The Mai arc is over and what an ending it was! I remembered very little of it from the old one, but it was a really good arc plot, like everything in this series. The efx were also exquisite indeed. The atmosphere was great and I'm not ashamed to admit I was quite moved during certain parts of the episode.

[Ryllharu]

I don't remember much of how the old Mai arc ended either, but her past with her sick mother and how she was ostracized for her powers...incredibly touching. Having the demons be summoned by her, in an effort to destroy everything she hated about herself and what she thought drove people away. Even though Mai has never appears as one, deep down she is just a child who refused to stop playing when everyone else goes home for the night. Mai just wanted friends to play with all these years.

Young Mai wearing bunny ears while running in the fields was always my favorite part of the opening, because it's so cute and she looks so happy.

[Yukimura]

That was one of the most touching things I've ever seen in an anime or otherwise...and nobody even died. I managed not to cry but it was a bit of an effort if they had killed her off with that sword thrust I don't know what I would have done.

I never would have guessed Mai had that kind of power since she's been destroying pretty much non-stop since she was introduced, but the execution was brilliant as usual and my emotions were wrung out thoroughly. I'm guessing there will be an arc on Shiori, Ayu (I noticed those Angel wings in the OP for the first time today) and maybe Naiyuki before it's all over.

[Bucket]

I'd agree, were it not for the fact that I felt this entire episode was paced way too fast. Splitting it down the middle might have had a better effect, although I suppose there are plenty more stories to get through...

The thing I like about this series (so far, not knowing the story myself) is that this is kind of a reversal. Here we have a number of supporting characters who all have some amazing story, while the 'hero' himself is seemingly as normal as can be and up to now has had a pretty mundane existence. He gets through his trials the only way a normal person would know how. He fights demons, not with some magic wand he inherited from his uncle who happens to be a Tree God or some nonsense, but rather with a stick he borrowed from kenpo class. I think that's mainly why he's likeable.

[RyougaZell]

An awesome episode.

Kanon 2002 totally ignored Mai's other self, so it was great to see her full story for the first time (in my case I sadly haven't found the game in full english yet. I have it somewhere, but won't play it on japanese).

I was surprised of Mai's healing powers. And as usual people are stupid, attacking her home.

Next ep Shiori-chan! w00t

[NeoCybercoin]

Yet another beautifull episode. I didn't see Mai's powers coming. But I kinda saw her suicide coming. Didn't expect the ressurrection O_o

[Kraco]

As opposed to the widely spread misinformation, Friday wouldn't be Friday at all without Kanon:

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Edit: Mai arc is over as pretty much could be expected and Shiori's began. Yet another sad arc. But that's what this series is all about and what makes it so special, so I wouldn't want it any other way.

[Yukimura]

I was so scared Akikio was going to die (I would have had to go with her into the afterlife), but then they bring out the more obvious but still saddening Shiori is going to die plot. Of course that's not saddening enough since Makoto 'died' too, so now we get a sister who has sealed her heart of to the plight of her younger sibling, probably in order to protect herself, which will cause even more sadness. I don't know how I'm going to hold it together throughout this whole series.

[RyougaZell]

Another good episode.
And hell yeah... Shiori's arc is here. Have been expecting it for some time.
This episode was full of those little things you tend to not notice first time around. I won't tell though.
Kaori seems to break in front of Yuuichi, but will get back on her 'other persona' (the one that denies Shiori's existance as she said at the end) based on the preview.
This series should be watch even by non-anime fans.

[Kraco]

Let's continue with the ice-cream arc:

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[Bucket]

Lately Friday seems to come a lot faster than it used to. Not that it's a bad thing.

[RyougaZell]

Great episode.
Shiori is so cute... damn Yuuichi...
Her reaction about the cafeteria... her obentos... and her reaction to spicy food was great... 'Tabasco' = 'Evil' or something like that... lolz

Ayu was great as well... dreaming about a ghost carrying her... LOLZ

[Akeruri]

Nayuki's not getting a fair treatment once again. She's been sent back to the bench, just dozing/sleepwalking/hanging around for most of the episode. I would've liked if Nayuki took part in Shiori's arc from the "worried about Kaori" angle, but...

[Yukimura]

Shiori is so massively Kawaii, especially in her uniform!!! This episode was chock full of rainbows and ice cream that I nearly missed some of the heavier stuff. I initially thought the ep was somehow less than some of the others because it didn't end with me wanting to cry like the last few have. However Kaori's combination of selfish heartlessness and underlying pain was a subtle but still firm emotional pull. I really like that I felt this conflict nearly subconsciously and that I didn't fully notice the scope of the emotions until the ep had had time to sink in. On watch number two I re-noticed all the cute things again, but also noticed the heavier parts more clearly. It was just as awesome as it should have been. I hope Yuuichi can get Kaori to come around, for Shiori's sake, but it might just not work out in the end, Kaori may not be strong enough to handle it. I can't wait till next Friday!!!!

[Kraco]

There's still a little ice-cream left:

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[Yukimura]

Why must they do this to my emotions every friday! And why don't any American shows have anywhere near this level of emotional drama. Evenif everyone would be crying all the time it'd be worth it.

[Bucket]

^Apparently you've never seen the rabies episode of Scrubs.

Downloading now. I have to admit I had a lot of preconceived notions about this series, but it continues to surprise me with expert writing. I wonder if she'll hold out for the whole day...

[Kraco]

That's indeed a good question. It's a wonder how this series can have such an impact, and in so many episodes friday after friday. Of course the closer you are to crying, the better this has succeeded, for obviously that's a detail the creators have been keeping foremost in their minds.

Well, there are only a couple of girls left anymore, and not so many episodes either. Let's keep waiting.

[RyougaZell]

Damn... I almost cried when Shiori revelead she almost committed suicide...
Beautifully done episode... heck I can't describe it with no other word.
The scene were Kaori finally admits Shiori is her sister was touching... but her suicide speech was more... and she just leaves at the end...
Lets us see what happens next episode... but based on the preview it seems Nayuki or Ayu get to shine next.

Im getting this on DVD if it ever get licensed... definitely...

[shinta|hikari]

I cried when Shiori asked "Was I able to keep smiling?"

[kooshi]

Finally caught up with this arc and it has turned out pretty good. I didn't feel sad or anything like that, but then again, I kinda saw this result coming from a mile away. Regardless, the story was really well-done. For me, this arc is the best out of all of them so far, simply because it's the most realistic (no fantasy and/or supernatural stuff).

Also, Shiori has my vote for best girl in Kanon so far. She is way too cute and funny, especially when she came back to school. Best line = "<Tabasco sauce> is the enemy of all humankind."

[shinta|hikari]

Agreed about Shiori and her arc. Though I still love Mai the best for personal reasons. This is the only anime where I actually cried KNOWING how what will happen and how it will end up. It just serves as a testament to KANON's greatness.

[Ryllharu]

Well, I'll play devil's advocate. I don't like Shiori's arc, and moreover, I was let down by it. True, it does come off more 'normal' and believable given that the other two arcs have been embedded in such fantasy elements. I think they failed to bring it to the same level as the others. I wasn't as moved by her attempted suicide scene, the climax of her arc. Mai crying in the construction yard was considerably more powerful. I always disliked Makoto, but KyoAni really redeemed her in my eyes. The "wedding" was some of the most moving scenes in anime.

Shiori was great during the arcs of others. To me, they cast her in a very mature light compared to most of the others. The scene early on with them watching the sunset, their talks in the courtyard that seemed normal...for a married couple. But once her arc formally started, she turned back into a normal, 1st year girl. There wasn't anything new anymore, just inane cute moments we see everywhere. The air of maturity that had surrounded her had evaporated, never to be seen again apparently. On her suicide scene, it just make her look even weaker, giving into despair, but being brought back so easily. I know in real life, that it can be that simple, but felt nothing compared to the part where Mai attempted to kill herself out of guilt. I didn't even find her reconciliation with Kaori that impressive. It seemed too short, and too easy. The only part of her actually arc I found truly moving was the goodbye note at the very end.

What really lessened her arc was how easily the other girls were able to, from my perspective, steal entire episodes away from her, in her own arc! When Akiko got sick, Nayuki took control of everything, gently cradling the phone in her hands, and telling Ayu exactly what to do in an incredibly calm, motherly way. Even Ayu's desperation was a large part of her character. What do I remember of Shiori? Snowball fight, with little detail. In the next episode, Ayu's two short scenes sitting on Yuuichi's bed, quietly, just, sitting there, had a greater impression on me than the entire remainder of that episode. It was so atypically Ayu that it had it's own impact. I can hardly remember what Shiori did, I'm guessing the curry scene.

Shiori's arc was just completely underwhelming. I'm hoping for a Nayuki arc soon. For now though, Mai's arc has been the best, made the most impression, and Mai is very pretty when she dances (ballroom or sword-dance).

[shinta|hikari]

Good points, but still most of them are based on preference.

I think the reason Shiori didnt leave as much of an impression was because she was slowly developed, and most of the stuff about her has already been revealed or hinted on, like her impending death. With that much information, the sudden burst of emotion due to a realization utilized during the Mai arc would of course appear more impressive. But that is indeed the very reason why I was impressed by the Shiori arc so much. I knew what was going to happen, but I cried anyways.

The other scenes you mentioned were really good, but I still think that the characters you like best will leave the most impression to you, even if you only start liking them recently due to repackaging.

I didnt really think that Mai's attempted suicide was that touching. I also found her revival a bit cheap. If she died right there then I wouldnt even be arguing which arc was the best.

I agree on the point that Shiori's attempted suicide didnt really have much of an impact. I think they merely showed that to reveal her weakness, since all throughout the show she was playing strong. Then they finish it off with the line "was I able to keep smiling?". This line decided it for me, convincing me that Shiori had the best arc due to the way they handled it. If you think about it, it really wasnt such a heart breaking situation compared to the others. It may even be kind of cliche, but the delivery was so good. It is on this merit that I judge this arc.

Also, though Shiori's situation was disclosed gradually, her character actually remained a mystery until the end, when she revealed her weakness. That is probably why during her arc a lot of other characters got a chance for character development, while she just played the role of the 1st year student, also to emphasize how simple the thing she has always wished for (but could never get) is.

I dont find Shiori's arc underwhelming at all. Maybe if you liked Mai so much and enjoyed her arc so much, the following arc would seem underwhelming. I know that was also the case for me, but despite that the greatness of this arc still seeped through for me.

[Ryllharu]

I've generally known what's been coming this entire time, and the series is written in a way that fans of the old series, or the visual novel can catch a lot of the foreshadowing. There's also a lot of jokes that you can't see why they are so funny unless you know everything already. In the cases of both Mai and Makoto, I knew what was going to happen and they still blew me away. Shiori's...didn't.

I guess where I was trying to go with it is that most of the arcs took their characters, who had been introduced at a base level, and then really built them up, adding incredible depth to a lot of them. But in Shiori's case, her arc was about deconstructing her. I don't really think they went anywhere with her. Any percieved depth to her character that had been added in the earlier portions of the series seemed distant as she became closer to Yuuichi.

I think once you knew what her last name was, Shiori wasn't much of a mystery anymore. Shiori was weak from the beginning, and she always was. Yuuichi just didn't know it. Shiori came time and time again to the school, but not ONCE did she ever openly confront Kaori. She didn't even try to talk to her outside of home. Sure, telling him about her attempt at suicide may have revealed how weak she had really become, but not once had she ever tried to change a thing about it. Makoto sacrificed her life to achieve happiness just once more, Mai was killing herself to try to obtain and maintain friendships and fit in with others. Shiori just waited for other people to fix her problems. She had already given up.

The biggest problem I had with Shiori's arc was the reconciliation with Kaori. Shiori's impending death tortured Kaori. Kaori was the one who was really playing strong here. She ran away from her problem by ignoring Shiori, but when we saw her behind closed doors, she broke each and every time. I think how easily they reconciled cheapened everything. It was simply, "We'll talk and do things together more." It hit hollow, and left me feeling like there hadn't even been a problem in the first place, but from either side of them alone, we had clearly seen one earlier. That cheapened Shiori's arc far more than Mai resurrecting herself ever could.

On a side note, I don't really think that cheapened Mai's arc at all. It symbolized Mai forgiving herself for all the things that had happened to her.

[Yukimura]

For me the Shiori arc was just as lovebale as all the others because it made me feel like I didn't want her to die. I knew she was weak and irresolute and usually I'd be annoyed at that kind of charachter, as I was initially annoyed with Kaori. But as it pregressed I realized that I didn't want her to die. She was essentially a useless existance but because she was so simple and innocent it was all the more tragic that she was going to die. Also, her idol sister was completely ignoring her and she was just taking it to the face to make her feel better, which showed some kind of strengh in my opinion. When I compare it to the Mai arc, which I do like more, it's like the difference between a rapid flood of emotion and a slower moving but thicker current that pulls you towards inevitablity. With Shiori you see the end from a long way off, but they slowly drag you through her life and you have to watch this perfectly normal girl who you know is going to die try to have fun and enjoy what little time she has. That was morethen enough for me.

[Kraco]

While I do consider Shiori arc good, it's the weakest one as well, in my opinion. Simply because I always felt she's just an outsider, for two reasons: She didn't seem to have that strong a connection with Yuuichi like the others had for historical reasons, and Kaori, who was at least a class mate, got quite little screen time, and so the situation couldn't be viewed that much from her perspective. As much as Yuuichi spent time with Shiori at the school yard, I just couldn't make myself feel like Shiori really belonged to Yuuichi's groups of girls.

But then again, the Mai arc will remain the best in my mind. At least quite probably. There are still a couple of girls left, but I'm somewhat certain their stories won't beat Mai in my mind. Despite the fact Ayuayu is kind of the main girl in the series, and her story is beautiful (at least was in the original, and since this all the time surpasses the original, it will be in this one as well).

[kooshi]

Yes, Kaori's very small talk with Shiori after the cafe party was EXTREMELY weak. I was really hoping that it would be executed so much better, but it just ended up as a disappointment. However, everything else was completely fine with me.
Regardless of this arc easily being my favorite, I admit that it's the weakest in terms of story and character development (there, I said it, haha). Makato had the happiness = death situation, Mai was tormented by her past, but Shiori just had a simple "I'm going to die at this time, so I'm going to do what I have left." Very simple compared to what we've seen so far, but it's something that we can all probably relate to the easiest. Well... technically, you can relate to pretty much any story, but you know what I mean... hopefuly, haha.
I'm very tired at the moment, so I may have rambled nonsense somewhere in there. I'm prepared for flaming, haha.

[shinta|hikari]

Miracles are called miracles because they dont happen. What Yuuichi said was bull shit. I cant really blame someone for not having hope when there is none. Honestly, what can she even try to change? That is aksi what maeks her situation so heartbreaking, since no matter how she tried, she would be unable to achieve anything. Mai killing herself to maintain friendships doesnt make sense. When your dead, its over, She just couldnt take it anymore, so she tried to get out. (I like that part though, still self revival was just weird)

True, the reconciliation was kind of weak, that is why I never even mentioned it.

But as Yukimura said, it is the difference between the gush of emotions and the gradual current, and the again, the reason I like it the best is how they delivered usch an obvious cliche plot so well. The other stories were in themselves great, but this one just surprised me.

[Ryllharu]

Mai killing herself to maintain friendships doesnt make sense. When your dead, its over, She just couldnt take it anymore, so she tried to get out. (I like that part though, still self revival was just weird)
Mai was killing herself without actually knowing that's exactly what she had been while killing the 'demons'. She never knew that she was killing herself off, but subconsciously, she was fighting against what didn't make her fit in. In the flashback, she had come to the false conclusion that her powers had driven off Yuuichi, and that is what started her subconscious exorcism of her own powers.

In that manner, she was figuratively "killing herself" (hence all the bruises she had developed) in order to be able to make friends and fit in. She just didn't realize the side effects. That's what made Mai's arc so tragic. Fortunately though, it could end happily after she forgave herself.

I'll admit I wrote it somewhat ambiguously before.

[Kraco]

Mai's decision to perform the seppuku was also rational in the sense that she finally believed Yuuichi, when he told she had created the demons herself. So, the easiest way to get rid of the demons once and for all was to kill herself. Much easier than try to suddenly change what she had been for ten years. It wasn't that easy to throw away the sword that had been the meaning of her life for a long time, and again start to believe in people and friendship that she thought had abandoned her a long time ago.

Mai's arc is simply masterful and beautiful, if you understand it fully.

[shinta|hikari]

Ah, you were referring to the demon extermination thing. It was a bit vague so I though you were referring to the actual suicide. I agree on that point, that was indeed a superb factor of Mai's arc.

Kraco - that was the scene I refered to, and there Mai chose to end her life to solve the problem, the easy way as you said.

Im not saying Mai's arc was not amazing. Mai is my favorite character, and her arc is probably my favorite so far as well. But the resurrection kind of downed it for me. I consider Shiori's arc the best arc for what I believe to be an objective sense of judgement on my part. Best is of course not equal to favorite, at least for me.

EDIT: just thought I should be clear on this. my criteria for judging is actually based more on the delivery, rather than the story itself, since I have watched the previous Kanon and know most of the story. What impresses me about Kanon2000 is its amazing way of telling the story, and of course the impressive lines and interactions of the characters. If I include the story itself as part of the criteria, then no doubt Mai has the best arc so far, and probably til the end.

[Kraco]

Generally speaking I'm not the greatest fan of resurrections, either. Moreover, I feel in every great story some good guys must die as well (in those stories where people die at all, at least. Though we have had deaths already in Kanon). However, with Mai's case, I disagree. This is because Yuuichi is the main character of this series, and the premise of the show is how Yuuichi basically forms anew friendships he had forgotten for some reason a long time ago. Well, at least that's how I feel it, and not just him objectively remembering again what he had forgotten. He's not that kind of guy, as is demonstrated by how he's always helping people (or girls at least).

And with Mai that happened only after she had stabbed herself. Maybe from Yuuichi's point of view already earlier, but not from Mai's. And I judge for a friendship you need both parties consenting. When Mai again accepted Yuuichi as her friend, she was healed for she also accepted her powers once again. That's why I think her death would have left something lacking, because it would have dropped the power - that was the core of her isolation - out of the picture without explanations.

[shinta|hikari]

I get the point about the necessity of the resurrection. But I think if they handled it well, there can be a better ending. I just feel it was odd, killing yourself because of your powers one moment, and then suddenly realizing and accepting your powers then reviving the next. I maybe would have preferred Yuuichi diving in and getting stabbed instead, then Mai accepting her powers and Yuuichi's friendship to save him. It would give Mai a better reason for suddenly accepting herself, rather than the sudden change that was presented.

Resurrecting by healing yourself is just silly. That makes Mai immortal (excluding old age, maybe).

Still, even with this, Mai is still my favorite.

[Kraco]

Let's keep walking forward, with Shiori's dimming star lighting our memories if not the path anymore.

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[NeoCybercoin]

What would my Friday be with Kanon? Great episide. Nayuki looked good when running. Prolly cuz the ponytail made her look like Mai. Her nearly drowning while washing her face made me go lol. And I nearly cried when Yuuchi began to realise that Shiori was gone. Didn't expect them to kiss though.

[Kraco]

Yeah. This was a bit different episode in my opinion compared to most of the previous ones, because this didn't actually contain, at least directly, so many sad things. I tend to think this series's plot has two aspects: Yuuichi regaining lost memories and also the normal progression and character development. The latter aspect is often somewhat shadowed, because Yuuichi is the guy who keeps sacrificing his own time (and money) to solve other people's problems. However, this episode has lots of it, as demonstrated most forcefully by the kiss. It was indeed something I didn't quite see coming, either. Perhaps because Ayuayu all the time behaves like a kid, so it's hard to imagine her in a mature (well, relatively speaking) romantic relationship, pretty much like Yuuichi's buddy said (whatever was his name).

[Yukimura]

While it wasn't as sad as the last few eps it still made my day just like all the previous eps. I was completely taken off guard by the kiss, the tension was there but Ayu just registered so much as a child to me that I never really thought they'd get romantic. But things can only get more awesome from here.

[shinta|hikari]

That kiss was so weird. Its Ayu's fault for being such a kid, and Yuuichi's for being a loli-con.

No wait, loli-con relationships are fine, but I just didnt picture Yuuichi being one.

The first comment kind of degraded my own existence as a loli-god so I added the next one.

[kooshi]

Nobody really said that Shiori is dead, although I think that it is most likely the case. I would really like some confirmation from one of her family members.

The talk between Nayuki and Yuuichi, I practically screamed, "CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!!' when she was describing him. However, I find it a little sad how she has given up on him.

To be honest, I wasn't expecting Yuuichi to kiss someone this early. I would've thought that it was going to be much closer to the ending. The even bigger surprise is that he chose Ayu. Like everyone else has been saying, she resembles a little kid so much that it's pretty unexpected for this to happen.

[shinta|hikari]

I think it was pretty obvious that he would choose Ayu. She had the most screen time among the girls, and in general, those with the most screen time win.

[Bucket]

Well, the fact that the relationship thing was "resolved" six episodes before the end is a pretty ominous sign. I think it's pretty obvious what Ayu is and of course the writers have already constructed a way to make everything go south.

[RyougaZell]

w00t... back from my vacations at Shreveport-Bossier... just saw this eps alongside Naruto and Bleach... but anyways...

great great episode for me... it felt really deep for me... Nayuki's description of the 'boy' she liked was perfect
and I do not think Shiori is dead yet... his friend said Kaori said she was doing fine, I just think he broke down thinking the worst or something.
I believe he did have feelings for Shiori, Makoto and Mai, but the ones for Ayu are stronger... and besides... I believe all this flashbacks are actually his dreams, not just sequences to show their previous friendship like some, not from her though, would think

[shinta|hikari]

Shiori isnt dead yet. Yuuichi broke down realizing that she WILL die.

He had feelings for the others, but not romantic feelings, unfortunately for them.

Only Ayu won that one, for the sheer fact of her being loli.

[Kraco]

Kiss, kiss...

Episode 20 h264 - SS-Eclipse (http://torrents.no-sekai.de/eclipse/%5bSS-Eclipse%5d%20Kanon%20-%2020%20(h264)%20%5b4D6E539F%5d.mkv.torrent)
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Edit: Things are certainly in motion now. And also the main arc. Or what I'd define as the main arc, because Ayu turned out to be the girl chosen by Yuuichi. And also Ayu has pretty much been there since the beginning, unlike most of the girls who just had their restricted time in the spotlight. And well, the ending, not so far away anymore, obviously needs to conclude the main story... Like Yuuichi's lost memories.

[NeoCybercoin]

So....I take it that Ayu is dead or something? Because she just went "Poof"

So I don't know if she is a ghost or just something made up by Yuuichi instead. And poor Nayuku, she is being completely ignored.

[Yukimura]

If my angel theory is correct then Ayu's not dead, she's merely airborne again. I figured she'd lost or given up her wings to be with Yuuichi, who then left (maybe his memory loss was caused by the other angels of something). Anyway, I'm not sure why seeing the cut doen tree made her decide to stop pretending and leave but I think we'll find out soon enough.

[RyougaZell]

Wow. Simply wow.
Ayu breaking down was heathbreaking somehow...

The tree must be very important, for having that impact on Ayu. And besides... we've seen it on the flashbacks, and even Akiko mentioned it.

W00T! 1000th post.

[shinta|hikari]

For some reason this episode wasnt as touching as I had hoped it would be.

I just cant explain it, which is sooo wierd since I love explaining things away, and usually have one for everything.

I knew it was a tearjerking moment, but didnt feel much of anything. Hmmm...

[Kraco]

Where art thou, Ayuayu...

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[Yukimura]

Akiko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is terrible, I think I might lose my damn mind. Why her? Why do things have to happen to Akiko? What is this treachery? I can't even remember what happened in the rest of the episode because of the last two minutes.

[NeoCybercoin]

AKIKOOOOO!!!!

I think my heart just skipped a beat when I saw that. Why Akiko? She is just...= (

I will start killing people with she dies.

[Kraco]

I don't know if it was because I'd seen the old version, for honestly I don't remember much of it, but in any case I had this terribly feeling for the duration of the whole show that something must happen to either Nayuki or Akiko. They were such a sweet, warm and close daughter-mother pair that something bad just did have to happen to them. It was as if they were making Akiko so nice just for this horrible moment.

The artistic side of how it happened was very interesting, though. Basically two scenes running side by side, but with a time difference. I think it was an excellent effect. Just like Yuki happened to say to me on irc. It only made it worse because you absolutely already knew something was going to happen, but yet in the other scene Akiko was just happily shopping and helping some kid following her gentle ways. And then *crash*. Man, it certainly wiped the Ayu portion of the episode off your mind.

Edit: A name typo.

[RyougaZell]

The crash scene was made amazingly... I saw it frame by frame... even the glasses jump out.
But it was a terrible scene... poor Akiko..

And Ayu's lost item is finally found... now where could she be? (<-- already knows...)

[Bucket]

Well, most of what I wanted to say has already been said, so I'll mention this:

I chuckled during the scene where Nayuki is waking up Yuuichi. It was a clever reference to the typical interactive novel clichee.

[Yukimura]

At first it looked like Aikiko shouldn't have gotten hit by the car the way she did, however after several careful frame by frame reviews I think I know what happened....

The black Truck seems to have lost control, but is trying to swerve away from Akiko (towards the camera) on the snow, it looks like it made it far enough that it would have missed her. Unfortunately the white car collided with the black truck just as it was gaining enough momentum in the right direction to avoid Akiko (and just barely miss the poor schmuck about to step off the curb). The white car had a very inelastic colllicion and stole most of the momentum in the direction that lead to Akiko not getting hit, as evidenced by the back of the white care spinning, and making its front end point towards her. Consequently, the momentum of the white car in its forward direction (into the screen, relatively towards Akikko, and nearly perpindicular to the black trucks trajectory away from beloved Akiko) was transfered to the black truck, essentially throwing it right at the stationary Akiko. Unfortunately the only way I see that would have avoided this accident without anyone else getting hurt would have been for the white car to have noticed the black car and turned into its path, while slowing down. If done right the white care might have been able to pass behind the black car, which would have either ended up on the other side of the intersection in the left lane more or less okay, or on the curb just past the shmuck. If we don't care about anyone else getting hurt then the black truck swerving to it's right to avoid Akiko would have also worked fine, though the people standing in the upper right might have been hit as the black truck got pushed towards them by the white car.

While this scene was evil and I hope whoever decided to hurt Akiko sufferes a terrible fate, it's impressive that the animation was detailed enough for me to reconstruct such a plausible scenario as to what transpired (though in real life I don't think the black truck would have flipped over, it's center of gravity and the y-axis coordinate of the colision were both too low).

[Yukimura]

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[NeoCybercoin]

Another good episode. The ending really surprised me though.

[RyougaZell]

Another excellent episode.

Before commenting... Yukimura... I must congratulate you on the great analysis of Akiko's accident scene.

Anyway... Ayu fell and... died? Has her ghost been waiting forever for Yuuichi?
And the last scene... touching to the damn bone... Ayu did state "you gave me this headband" several episodes ago..

And Makoto! wow...

[Kraco]

The past and the present are really being tied back together now that the end looms so near already:

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[NeoCybercoin]

Ahhhh I don't Kanon to end. My heart won't allow it!

And yet again another wonderfull episode. I nearly cried when Yuuchi did. Poor guy...

It is strange that it is ending exactly like I thought it would.

[RyougaZell]

Damn it... this series is gonna make me cry... again... I almost did with the original.

Great touch adding the real Makoto.

The goodbye was... amazing.

Im at a loss for words.

[Kraco]

What could be said at this point, when the last episode has been released? It was undoubtly one of the best series of this season, and the production values, as is fitting for a second version, were largely incomparable. Rarely have I witnessed such quality in every aspect, technical and artistic, in one packet. This show surely will be missed, and not only a little.

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[Ryllharu]

I feel much more satisfied with the ending this time around. No deus ex machina ending. A well developed epilogue, happy ending for everyone (except Nayuki's lack of an official arc and unrequited cousin love).

A moving conclusion to a superb anime. Megane-Mai was a nice touch too.

[Kraco]

Aye. I'm totally satisfied with this ending. I don't exactly remember the details of the old version's ending, but this new one was executed perfectly as far as I'm concerned. It's also nice how that dream talk was completely made to make sense and explain why all the people encountered their miracles. It was a very neat plot, indeed, in that respect.

[Yukimura]

Wonderful, this show was simply wonderful. I loved every episode, and the end was executed in such a way as to make you feel too much to bother thinking. It was a well deserved happy ending, paid for with tears and sorrow so as to be all the more beautiful. I was so surprised when it wasn't Mai that saved everyone but Ayu's love, and then it was Yuichi's love that saved her, that made everything fit together perfectly.

P.S. Akiko for mom of the Year!

[RyougaZell]

What can I say apart from what others have said already?
Excellent series till the end.
Now I hope this gets licensed to buy it on dvd.

[Board of Command]

Good series overall. I haven't see the original so I can't compare the two, but this one certainly didn't feel rushed like what people were saying about the original.

[NeoCybercoin]

Waaaaaahhh now what I am suppossed to watch on this very Friday T__T

[animus]

Man I just finished I guess the Makoto arc at episode 10, and it had me bawling. You know it's gonna happen and I just couldn't hold it back.

[Archangel]

Unlike others i only got around to watch this after i had already finished Clannad so i was able to find a whole lot of fun backward parallels

Loved it as i suspected i would, definitely a Key series