E3 2006 [Archive] - Gotwoot Forums

LobsterMagnet

Wed, 05-03-2006, 09:55 AM

It's that most wonderful time of the year again. Time for The Electronic Entertainment Expo other wise referred to as E3. I've decided to start this thread so we can have a place to discuss the upcoming announcements and news as it starts to stream out of the tradeshow. In the meantime discuss what your looking forward to seeing in the show I.E. PS3 playable demos, Xbox 360 announcement of Halo 3, or the official unveiling of the Nintendo Wii (in case you haven't heard nintendo has announced that the official name for the revolution shall be called the Wii) game line up and a demonstration of how the new controller works with different Wii games.

Archer

Thu, 05-04-2006, 10:51 AM

Who came up with that stupid name? What does Wii even mean? Anyways, I may not be able to go, but I'll see E3 on G4.

darkshadow

Thu, 05-04-2006, 05:36 PM

ill see E3 on my 360 >_>

xDarkMaster

Tue, 05-09-2006, 07:05 PM

Come to Gotwoot, #e3 to talk about everything and anything E3!

It surprises me that after being here for a while, getting a custom title due to rep, and generally knowing better, you can't use the damn search feature. Seriously what were you thinking?

FYI: Don't correct the mod editing your post, it will cause more warnings to be added to your account

User Warned, and Thread moved

Wow, I don't see that anywhere in the rules. I see "16. Do not remove moderator-edits from your posts: This makes sure that you don't get warned by a different moderator who did not see the first mod-edit." However, I didn't remove your edit. Besides, it's good to be humbled every now and again. If I am wrong and there is a rule about that, I am sincerely sorry and will try not to do it again.

XanBcoo

Tue, 05-09-2006, 08:29 PM

That Halo 3 trailer was some beautiful looking stuff, though. I can't wait to see what the gameplay footage and mechanics will be like.

BioAlien

Tue, 05-09-2006, 09:17 PM

Nintendo updated they website about the Wii (before know as the revolution)
http://wii.nintendo.com

it is nice to know that there will be 2 different version of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, 1 for gamecube and 1 for the Wii

for now they have annonced those game on the Wii:

Disaster: Day of Crisis
Excite Truck
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Project H.A.M.M.E.R.
Super Mario Galaxy
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Wii Sports (Tennis, Golf, Baseball)

future DS games to come :

Big Brain Academy
Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day
Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol
Children of Mana
Clubhouse Games
Custom Robo
Diddy Kong Racing DS
DK: King of Swing DS
DS Air
Elite Beat Agents
Hotel Dusk: Room 215
Kirby
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
Magical Vacation
Magnetica
Mario Hoops 3-on-3
Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis
New Super Mario Bros.
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team
Pokémon Ranger
Star Fox DS
Sudoku Gridmaster
Tenchu: Dark Secret
Yoshi's Island 2

also Super Mario 128 (title that have been going for a lot of time now) got changed to :
Super Mario Galaxy

(yay Nintendo fan boy) i don't care about other game platform since i know that a lot of game from microsoft and sony are coming to PC too...

and the meaning behind Wii is in that text :

Wii will break down that wall that separates video game players from everybody else.

Wii will put people more in touch with their games … and each other. But you’re probably asking: What does the name mean?

Wii sounds like “we,” which emphasizes this console is for everyone.
Wii can easily be remembered by people around the world, no matter what language they speak. No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii.

LaZie

Wed, 05-10-2006, 12:45 AM

Being the Playstation fanboy that I am, I think i'm looking forward to Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy versus XIII more than I did KH2 :p

LobsterMagnet

Wed, 05-10-2006, 07:42 AM

All I can say is that FF XIII and MGS owned for sony, wish I could say the same for the rest of the software that was on display. Also is it just me or is the whole mankind vs. overpowering Alien forces starting to become it's own cliche. As much I love the whole idea of being that one soldier fighting and losing battle against thousands of hostile forces wishing to slaughter whats rest of my race can't help but feel that the concept is starting to be a bit overdone. Lets count the examples in this new and upcomming genre.

Resistance: The fall of man: this is probably the least interesting of the pack, nice WWII imagery but everything else offered here has been done before and by better developers.

Crysis: Fighting against an unknown alien force in the tropics, complete with war of the worlds style tripod walkers, one of the better looking examples but conceptually not that exciting.

Gears of War: One of the prettiest games to be featured within this genre but Cliffy B. is going to have to work extra hard to make this one stand out from the crowd. Me likey the giant spider creatures seen in the trailer but the generic grunts aren't nearly as exciting.

Halo 3: of course the great grand daddy of man against the hostile alien, despite the fact that no new gameplay was shown, and the trailer didn't look signifigantly better then Halo 2 just to see the good old MC in ridiculously dramatic and hopeless situation is almost enough to get me to sign up for a third and final tour of duty. Speaks volumes about the kind of relationship that Bungie has developed with their fans. Although I'm getting seriously tired of hearing bungie employees whine about how hard there job is. Fricking Hideo Kojima and his crew produce twice as much content as them with more gameplay and story and I've never heard him bitch about how time consuming it is try and brain storm and implement something as simple as dual wielding.

darkshadow

Wed, 05-10-2006, 04:11 PM

not better? it looked a fking million times better:
halo 2:
http://www.tone.co.nz/download_files/halo2.jpg?S=3b4622c749f648ca711edf9ed3137379
halo 3:
http://www.bungie.net/images/games/halo3/screenshots/h3_e32006_ChiefVisor.jpg
http://www.bungie.net/images/games/halo3/screenshots/h3_e32006_ChiefIntro.jpg

if you cant see the difference ( which is gargantuan) you are fking blind.

also this crater is 3 miles across, and rendered in realtime geometry, plus, everything is lighted from 1 source ( the sun), not the multiple light points in halo 2, then add hdr, depth of field and stuff = a million times better:
http://www.bungie.net/images/games/halo3/screenshots/h3_e32006_structure.jpg

edit: now that i looked back and forth between the pictures myself, i cant honestly believe you were serious with your previous statement

BioAlien

Wed, 05-10-2006, 05:22 PM

haha, Duck Hunt for Wii, it better be better then the one on NES, and if they realy release the gun for it, i hope it will be a big fucking gun! like that one :
http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn2/runt-50bmg.jpg
lol, DIE DUCK! lol

GhostKaGe

Wed, 05-10-2006, 06:15 PM

I've been hoping for info on Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars i was hoping for more but the pics look great and theres ment to be some kind of 3rd faction other than NOD and GDI

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/705/705657/command-conquer-3-tiberium-wars-20060508021746021.jpg
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/705/705657/command-conquer-3-tiberium-wars-20060508021741958.jpg
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/705/705657/command-conquer-3-tiberium-wars-20060508021747958.jpg

still no videos :(

The world need a good RTS i hope this will be it

LobsterMagnet

Wed, 05-10-2006, 07:27 PM

edit: now that i looked back and forth between the pictures myself, i cant honestly believe you were serious with your previous statement

I've seen the trailer and looked at the screen shots. They are quite nice, but honestly I can't help but feel that in terms of visuals halo has been outclassed by the likes of FF XIII, MGS 4, Gears of War, and CRYSIS. What were seeing here appears to be an evolution of the halo 2 engine rather then something new build from scratch.

Don't get me wrong I love the halo mythology as much as next guy. I personally can't wait to play it and see how Bungie draws everything to a close. I'm just a bit worried about the gameplay. Bungie's kind of written themselves into a corner where the gameplay and fiction are so delicatly interwined that it's very difficult to introduce new things.

Case in point, do you expect to see any new weapons or vehicles in halo 3? In terms of the game's fiction all of the human and covenant weapons have already been displayed. This was established in halo 2 where we the players were given a greater insight into the workings of the covenant. So how could you justify a new covenant weapon or vehicles? Is it something that they built and produced between the handful of hours between the events of halo 2 and halo 3? Same goes for vehicles, Bungie has displayed everything in the covenant armada to throw in something new conflicts with previously established designs. Most importantly this goes for fighting enemies as well. We've seen all of the races who are apart of the covenant. Since at the end of halo 2 we saw the essential brakedown of the covenant it's almost impossible to justify more races to serve as new enemies.

Considering that the trailer implies that the human defense has all but been whiped out. I can't imagine how the Master Chief is going to get his hands on some new human weapons since in the apacolyptic setting no new weapons can be manufactured. Then again who knows, maybe the chief will stumble across a vintage collection oe WW II weapons and dual wield some lugers.

Another thing that concerns me is what other gameplay innovations can bungie bring? In halo 2 the only thing they really did was add dual wielding and the ability to board vehicles. What else can they introduce? IMHO Halo 2 was a half finished game, the single player campaign contained only half a story arc with no resolution. In many respects I don't see halo 3 as a completion of a trilogy but more or less bungie owning up to their broken promise.

XanBcoo

Wed, 05-10-2006, 09:19 PM

News on Super Smash Brothers: Brawl (http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707504p1.html).

Details are just now rolling in, but we have confirmed the following playable characters:

Pit (Kid Icarus)

Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)

Zero Suit Samus (Metroid)

Meta-Knight (Kirby)

Wario (Wario)

More as it breaks.

LOL that's awesome. Solid Snake in Smash Brothers. That's gonna be so weird; I hope he'll fit into the system well. The others sound fun too, like Meta Knight or the new Samus.

Edit: Here's a better link with more news and screenshots: SSB Brawl (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/10/super-smash-bros-brawl-revealed-for-wii-featuring-solid-snake/). The best thing is is that it will be compatable with the Gamecube controller, and won't use the Wii's motion sensor. I was a bit worried the style of gameplay would change drastically, but I guess not XD.

BioAlien

Wed, 05-10-2006, 09:37 PM

i wonder why nintendo choosed Solid Snake... what kind of attack will he have... (cheap gun?)

hehe and again... the popular character since N64 version of Super Smash Bros
Mario, Kirby, Pikachu and Link
will be back ^^

it would be funny if Nintendo add those character too:.
Bowser Jr.
Boo/King Boo
Petey Piranha
Paratroopa
baby luigi/mario
...
(and more from other Nintendo Games, except ROB, he can die)

btw, nintendo as shown a new Nintendo Wii Controler to play old classic games (NES, SNES, N64)
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6456/wii099bb.jpg

XanBcoo

Wed, 05-10-2006, 09:45 PM

i wonder why nintendo choosed Solid Snake... what kind of attack will he have... (cheap gun?)

Kojima begged Sakurai to include Snake in the GameCube version of Smash Bros., but it was too late in the development cycle to add the character. When Brawl became a reality, Sakurai contacted Kojima and the decision was made to introduce Snake into the series. Solid Snake will use explosives ... and a cardboard box
Reading really is overrated these days. I'm wondering if he might also have a silencer for his B attack. Also, it says Wario will have a fart attack.

@BioAlien: Nintendo also announced a gun-type controller for the Wii today along with the oldschool-style one.

bagandscalpel

Wed, 05-10-2006, 09:49 PM

No, Snake will not have to rely on a "cheap gun" when you play him at a higher level!

CQC knife shank ALL the way!!!

Still, the fact that Kojima wanted to put his own character in...
Guess other 3rd party characters are still not going to make it in on their own.

BioAlien

Wed, 05-10-2006, 09:55 PM

ya i know i just readed that... not long after i poster lol
also the pic of SSBB are nice, could it be a aventure thingy with Solid Snake to introduce him into the game? i hope he will be able to use the Box in the game (like on the screen shot) that would be funny.

edited:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl will be fully compatible with the GameCube controller. Sakurai's reasoning is simple. He doesn't want to alienate gamers that prefer the traditional gamepad.
now that good news

Solid Snake will use explosives ... and a cardboard box.
YAY BOX! lol

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/05/DSC_3376.jpg
hum.. nice ass, who is that character?

and for now... the Wii is the only console i will buy, unless they release FFVII (with the awsome graphic, like in the Tech Demo) on the PS3 (i won't buy the crap Xbox360 that for sure)

btw, i edited my post about Duck Hunt on first page (last post on first page)

bagandscalpel

Wed, 05-10-2006, 10:13 PM

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/05/DSC_3376.jpg
hum.. nice ass, who is that character?

Might be the new Samus?

Oh, and looks like we've got Super Moves/Overdrives/Limit Breaks/Finishers now.
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/reviews/928518_20060510_screen012.jpg

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/reviews/928518_20060510_screen013.jpg

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/reviews/928518_20060510_screen025.jpg

darkmetal505

Wed, 05-10-2006, 10:15 PM

I hope they have a charge up meter with a special attack, but not finisher moves. That would just take a major part out of smash bros.

Knives122

Wed, 05-10-2006, 10:42 PM

The ass shot is from Zero Suit Samus(no suit).

and I want the special attacks to be how the super jumps: are a way to at least keep you from dying. At the most the attack should do 50% damage.

Edit: and just look at the diffence in texture and design of the characters, absolutely beautiful:

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/reviews/928518_20060510_screen016.jpg

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/reviews/928518_20060510_screen017.jpg

BioAlien

Wed, 05-10-2006, 10:56 PM

the second picture of Link... that link from Twilight Princess? right?
it is true that they made a lot of improvement in they character since N64

oh... special move... maybe it will be like Final Fantasy (Limit Break)
is that Mario vs Ganondorf?

Knives122

Wed, 05-10-2006, 11:00 PM

Nope, those pics are directly from the SSBB trailer(they did to show how they've changed)

oh and the special move will be accessable by getting a little SSB symbol coin thing(it's that main screen plus-circle thing) that will pop up every once and a while.(trailer is at gamespot)

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6150506&pid=928518

BioAlien

Wed, 05-10-2006, 11:19 PM

wow... samus. have blond hair!? (am i the only one who didn't knew that?)
the trailer is awsome, lol Wario Nuclear Fart!
omg... so that why there was the box on the screen shot... it is because he was hidding there... i hope the voice won't be in Jap in the US version

can someone help me find the trailler for download? (don't want to register to gamespot)
because i want to show it to a friend

6Zabuza9

Thu, 05-11-2006, 12:46 AM

someone was picked to be first to play nintendo Wii, tennis

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EKx1UbYQzNg&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b

i say it uses too much energy lol

BioAlien

Thu, 05-11-2006, 01:36 AM

someone was picked to be first to play nintendo Wii, tennis

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EKx1UbYQzNg&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b

i say it uses too much energy lol

i think it is a good thing, because most of the gamerz have some fat to lose... and playing like that could be a good way to exercise

masamuneehs

Thu, 05-11-2006, 06:45 AM

the Wii's performance at this year's e3 and the fact that it'll probably have a fairly reasonable price tag on it has made this Sony 'fanboy' snap.

I'll be picking up Wii when it comes out, and only if I have enough money later on will I consider picking up the PS3 (that means, no I probably won't pick up the PS3 until there's a significant price drop, or if i win the lotto or some crazy shit like that)

Genma

Thu, 05-11-2006, 07:03 AM

I seriously can't imagine myself flinging my arms around while playing a videogame.

And also, I wonder how many cases of wrist injuries will pop up after Wii is released?

BioAlien

Thu, 05-11-2006, 07:09 AM

for those who don't want to pay to see the HD version of the trailer of SSBB, here a nice website that give it.. FOR FREE! (in your face GameSpot!)
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10606&type=mov&pl=game

when the video finish loading (when the bar is full) you can save it on your computer

darkshadow

Thu, 05-11-2006, 09:45 AM

lol, just click on the format icon to save it, you dont have to wait for it

BioAlien

Thu, 05-11-2006, 03:25 PM

the format icon? it do nothing for me... -.-"

hum... the Xbox Player HD-DVD will be selling for 199$ US.

Assertn

Thu, 05-11-2006, 04:08 PM

I'll let you guys know how E3 is tomorrow

bagandscalpel

Thu, 05-11-2006, 04:36 PM

I HIGHLY doubt one person could tell everyone us everything we want to know about the goings on at E3...

But, a little bit's better than none, right?

darkshadow

Thu, 05-11-2006, 08:11 PM

if you would all just join #e3, you would get lots of info

BioAlien

Thu, 05-11-2006, 09:23 PM

just post info here... i don't like going on IRC, since last time i got banned from gotwoot main chat for no darn reason... (i'm still banned..)

darkshadow

Fri, 05-12-2006, 01:29 PM

Oh that sux, ill ask if DO will lift the bans, and here is some of the lastest stuff, that is probably old by now, but still :
The Wii will be powered by a 1.1ghz PowerPC cpu, and a customized x1800 gpu, probably a x1800xt on steroids, this is a good sign, since the Wii's on e3 were just very suped up gamecubes, since the customized x1800 gpu wasnt finished yet.
to compare the xbox had a 733mhz intel celeron hybrid cpu ( it had some p3 features), and a souped up geforce 3 ti500, the gamecube had a 450mhz powerpc cpu and a souped up ati 9200 ( had some pixel shader functionality added)

the x360 and ps3 might seem a ton powerfull - tricore 3.2ghz powerpc cpu, x1900xt(unified); cell 8core 3.2ghz proc ( 6 usable), nvidia rsx (7800gtx) - but keep in mind, these 2 consoles render games natively at 1280x720, Wii only renders its games natively at 640x480, see what im getting at?im convinced Wii's visuals wont stray far behind the 2 big boys, even thought it isnt HD

BodyPad, real body fighting controls
basically a set of sensors that you place on your body, enabling the fighting game character ( said to work with all fighting games for ps2 and xbox), to attack in the same fashion you do, this takes motion sensoring to the next lvl, throw a left punch? just throw a left punch :P, no need to press a button anymore.

the guy was demoeing it and i thought it was really amazing( he showed it working with tekken 5), it was really responsive.

Need For Speed Carbon, next installement in the nfs franchise confirmed only for the ps3 atm, more announcements will obviously follow

jade empire for the pc, prolly coming out this holiday, with updated visuals and 2 new weapons.

Halo3 engine capable of rendering 13 to 14 miles ingame easily, they also revealed they had the halo3 demo running on 2 x360's, and pressed the "A" button simultaniously on both, so incase one x360 might've crashed or broken or somebody accidently tore out the cable, the projector would seemlessly switch to the other x360 :P, nothing happend so it all went smooth.

Splinter Cell Double Agent, will have Spy vs. Merc. cause of lots of feedback from the community after saying it would only be spy vs. spy, no word on if spy vs spy or coop is still in

thats about it for now i think

Assertn

Fri, 05-12-2006, 06:00 PM

Got back from E3.

Got to try out the DS Lite, some donkey kong game for DS, and Mario Hoops for DS. I'll definitely exchange my DS for the lite version when that comes out.

Aside from that, E3 wasn't really as magical as I expected it to be. Anything decent had lines for, and the one for Wii was 5 hours long o.o

BioAlien

Sat, 05-13-2006, 01:53 AM

did you tried the Wii?

... 5 hour of wait??! Oo

Raven

Sun, 05-14-2006, 08:39 AM

None of them would even know what any of the games or systems are, probably. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbVxDJCpTqg&search=e3%2006)

I bet they say that every year LOLZ. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZwPDOzqQ_U&search=e3%2006)

BioAlien

Sun, 05-14-2006, 08:44 AM

Assertn

Sun, 05-14-2006, 04:54 PM

ya probably... wasn't the booth babe banned from the E3 (that what i heard)

I assure you, there were plenty of booth babes. One approached me and my friend as we were trying out some new DS games, and we were talking about the wii. She said she got to try it out before the lines were long, but when I asked her which games were on demo, she said she didn't know the names of any of them.

And no.....didn't get to try out the Wii....I had to go back to work =/

DarthEnderX

Sun, 05-14-2006, 05:02 PM

MGS4 trailer makes me happy.

http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=2445

Raiden kicks ass. Who knew?

BioAlien

Mon, 05-15-2006, 03:05 AM

now that the E3 is over... what did you liked the most about this years E3? me it was everything about Nintendo, and i kinda hate Sony for copying Nintendo Idea... i wonder if Nintendo are mad at them...

darkshadow

Mon, 05-15-2006, 08:41 AM

for the 100000000th time, sony did not copy nintendo, the controllers differ greatly, they copied ms and logitech instead.
and i have to say i liked ms the most, since they showed everything i wanted to see from them, and more ( liveanywhere is gonna rock)

DB_Hunter

Mon, 05-15-2006, 10:44 AM

Sony copying Nintendo's ideas again eh... reminds an old timer like me about the time when Sony copied Nintendo's rumble idea for the PS1 controller.

RyougaZell

Mon, 05-15-2006, 11:22 AM

Sony did not just copy the rumble, they improved it :D

And besides... like darkshadow said, the new "copied" technology already existed. Nintendo did not create it. In fact, they also copied it from ms and logitech =P.

Even though the PS3 it too pricey... I'll have to go with it. Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy Versus XIII are the detonants for that. I am an rpg-player so... I'll go with the console for RPG's.

Oh yeah... Mario Galaxy is evil... "Shake your controller to make Mario spin" <-- WTF?

http://the-magicbox.com/0605/mariogalaxy3.jpg

-- Dramatization --
*Kid Playing Mario Galaxy*
<Shake to make Mario spin>
*Shakes Controller*
*Controller goes flying*
*Controller crashes TV*
"Kid>Mom!! We need another Tv and Wii Controller!"
"Mom>This is the 3rd this week!"

lol

Assertn

Mon, 05-15-2006, 11:27 AM

Sony did not just copy the rumble, they improved it :D
You mean they copy the idea from Nintendo, but stole the technology from some other company that later turned around and sued their ass :P

BioAlien

Mon, 05-15-2006, 11:34 AM

if i am not blind, i saw a little string on the controller (like the one on the DS) on a screen shot of the controller.. somewhere.. so it should not fall on the ground when you move it
a thing like this :
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/5900/119is1.jpg

RyougaZell

Mon, 05-15-2006, 12:11 PM

You mean they copy the idea from Nintendo, but stole the technology from some other company that later turned around and sued their ass :P

Exactly!!!!
This talk about "X stole Z their idea" is annoying really.
Like that sue you mention proves, Nintendo didn't create the rumble either.

Sure, they "copied" ideas, but did not "copy" technologies" as some are saying.

And bleh... my Mario pic has a broken link... I'll edit that post.

DB_Hunter

Mon, 05-15-2006, 12:36 PM

Sony did not just copy the rumble, they improved it :D

Improved it how?

RyougaZell

Mon, 05-15-2006, 12:39 PM

Improved it how?

It didn't use the slot of the memory card?

DarthEnderX

Mon, 05-15-2006, 01:02 PM

Also, the PS rumble actually had two rumblers in the controller so you could give a "direction" to it. Left, Right, and Center.

DDBen

Tue, 05-16-2006, 04:57 PM

First off let me state that the Playstation 3 is NOT more expensive then the Xbox 360. If your compairing apples to oranges instead of what system A offers vs system B offers then of course it seems that way but the price points seem Identical.

Xbox 360
Base unit $300
Upgraded Base Unit $400 (this is what you would buy anyway even if its just $100 worth of accessories thrown in the box.)
HD DVD drive $200
Online Fee... (10 or 15$ a month I forget)

PS3
20 GB unit $500
60 GB unit $600
Online Fee Free....

So your compairing the 360 which sure you can get cheap but its missing its key features that allow it to compete and it costs you either $120 or $180 a year to maintain if nothing ever breaks. The PS3 comes complete out of the box and unless I'm mistaken the only differnce between the units is hard drive size which is actually optional unlike the accessories you would need with your 360. Yes I can own a Xbox cheaper but only if I'm willing to accept a inferior product.

That aside also note Halo 3 did not show any gameplay and as they are not releasing it this year and I don't believe it has a official release date at this time you can't compare a game ready for release this year with a game that may never come out.

All things aside the Wii impressed me the most above what I thought of the system previous. That stated I still haven't heard a price point and anything over $100 would make me instantly pass on the system. The PS3 Delivered for me on all the promises they have made I didn't see anything to disappoint me and I was personally expecting the pricepoint. The 360 on the other hand doesn't impress me a add on drive is just a bad sign for the future it means that later on they will want to make you buy the add ons so those without it get the shaft and when we are talking $200 add ons I have issues with that.

All things aside I'm most looking forward to Spore for the PC. The concept of playing a single player game that allows me to create a species and then develope a universe is just amazing to me. On top of that having the interaction of species created by others randomly appear in my world to allow for infinate replay value really makes that game seem the most interesting of anything I saw come from E3 this year.

RyougaZell

Tue, 05-16-2006, 05:09 PM

Well... I personally like the ps3 better, and plan to buy it but...

the 500 dlls version IS inferior. It lacks several ports I believe.

darkshadow

Tue, 05-16-2006, 05:39 PM

being that the hdd and the hd-dvd drive are optional, the x360 IS cheaper, if you dont need that hd-dvd drive than you are not FORCED to cough up 600$, instead you can just buy the 400$ version and play your games, or EVEN just a 300$ version+ a 40$ mem card, if you dont have stuff like xboxlive or xbox1 games, ps3 is just forcing you to buy things you might not need

oh and if you didnt know, the full x360 pack only costs around 350$ in japan, im geussing the hd-dvd drive will be around 150$ in japan, adding up to 500$ in total
the 20gb ps3 alone costs 550$ in japan, 650-700$ for 60gb? ( since its a retailer open price, we dont know, coudl even be 750 >_> )

we euros are getting screwed though since 600.00 EUR = 770.924 USD
i might just be importing one

RyougaZell

Tue, 05-16-2006, 06:39 PM

japanese costs dont count for us.

games usually go for 70 dlls each over there, while we get them at 50.

DDBen

Tue, 05-16-2006, 06:44 PM

@DarkShadow

Honestly those Japanese costs are meaningless. The European costs are just in Euro's instead of US dollars and well I don't see that as being screwed at all. Just because the dollar is worth less then the Euro doesn't mean that anything should have a reduced price to compensate.

Also if you don't plan to use the new DVD format at all then I'm also going to assume you don't have a HDTV in the first place. If this is the case there is NO reason except new content to bother with a 360. The graphics are no better then the last gen on a regular TV and you still pay the differnce in a online service fee. Now if your buying a $400 gaming system and you don't plan to use the HD gameplay or the online at all I neglect to see why your not just buying a WII in the first place as thats exactly how I see that systems place in the market.

darkshadow

Tue, 05-16-2006, 10:52 PM

if you think it looks the same you are either biased on hd vs sd, or you are fking blind, boot up fight night round 2 on an sdtv, and then fight night round 3, if you cant see the humongous difference go get some glasses, same goes for pdz, oblivion, pgr3, nba2k7, lost planet etc. etc., the only games that look kinda the same are those multiplatform games like nfs most wanted and fifa and king kong and stuff. man if i had my xbox here i would take some screens for you just to compare the difference ( tv tuner card, so both would be "sd")
plus not buying a console just cause you cant get the higher resolution ( yes thats all you get, the graphics themselfs dont change obiously ) is retarded, its a GAME you are buying, not pretty gfx, if you just want that go buy shrek 2 dvd or something, and since these "next gen" games wont appear on current gen, its just best to move on, you can always get a hdtv later, if everyone should be like that, people with good spec pc's shouldn't play games anymore either, since they wont get the highest reso's

and you totally missed the point of how the x360 doesnt force you to buy something you dont need, and if you dont think euros should get reduced price then there must be something wrong with you, if you look at the prices USD and CAD are pretty much lined up, even the YEN and USD prices arent THAT far apart, while the EUR price has an added 170$ to it.
i dont think i need to tell you that, that is a lot of money, could be put to better use.
sony just doesnt care for the eu market.

and if you misunderstood, i wasnt talking about YOU or ME, i was talking in general, as i own 5 consoles atm, and will get ps3 and Wii at launch, and yes i do have a hdtv

XanBcoo

Tue, 05-16-2006, 11:36 PM

-- Dramatization --
*Kid Playing Mario Galaxy*
<Shake to make Mario spin>
*Shakes Controller*
*Controller goes flying*
*Controller crashes TV*
"Kid>Mom!! We need another Tv and Wii Controller!"
"Mom>This is the 3rd this week!"

lol
Hah, I can see that happening. Especially with spoiled families who have 4 hyperactive kids and a DS for each of them, or something. Someone like me who can really "get into" games might also have to be careful they're not swinging a bit to hard...

DDBen

Tue, 05-16-2006, 11:56 PM

@darkshadow

First off for the Yen let me state that in Japan a single DVD movie or disk for a series with a few episodes goes for around $70 US in many cases. So no not all things are priced the same. Yes in canada the converted price is roughtly the same as the American price however when you live in canada and make your money in Canadian its a significant price increase. Simply put if in the US someone is making $7 an hour and in the EU someone is making 7 euro's an hour for the same job then reguardless of currency its the same level of expense. That stated I think we can all agree that England is the king of getting overcharged.

As for HD vs SD tv's NO they do not look the same I happen to have a nice HD flat panel in my living room as well as several normal TV's around the house. The point is that the XBox 360's graphics are not that much better then a normal XBox on a SD TV. On a HD TV the two are miles apart but your statement was reguarding someone who didn't want HD and didn't want any Internet capabilities would pay LESS. If that person exists and they don't care about either then my only comment is that the Wii is the choice where graphics and online are not the focus and thats where the money should be spent.

Anyway side note the PS3 is supposed to be fully backwards compatable and I assume that hasn't changed but am not positive but can't confirm or deney this fact. Assuming that is true however and as I previously recall the PS3 will improve the graphics on oldergames then I think thats a HUGE step above the partial backwards compatability of a XBox 360. I will state at this time I only use a PS2 out of the 3 and will not be buying a 360 as any worthwhile game is likely to be ported to PC eventually anyway. Also note that depending on if the Wii has access to all the old nintendo games as previously announced a few months ago that would go a very long way towards selling me on it.

BioAlien

Wed, 05-17-2006, 02:38 AM

we euros are getting screwed though since 600.00 EUR = 770.924 USD
i might just be importing one

Simply put if in the US someone is making $7 an hour and in the EU someone is making 7 euro's an hour for the same job then reguardless of currency its the same level of expense.

are you guys idiot or something, don't you know anything about the Exchange
Rate ?!

600 USD = 465.32 EUR (you guys are so retarded to not even know that) the price annonced is not the same for every country... here in canada it will cost 663.42 CAD

and if a guy in the US gain $7 an hour and another guy with the same job in the EU gain the same thing but in EUR then he gain 5.4301 EUR an hour! not 7 EUR!

use your brain a little damn it!

and also, 600 USD = 65,478.00 YEN

now stfu! if you can even make the difference between USD and EUR !

and YES the Xbox 360 is cheaper if you don't get all the crap optionnal stuff that come with it, and yes the PS3 cost a shit load of money because it have lots of useless shit in it that most people wont even use!

as for me, i will only get a Wii for whatever the price will be, because? well that because i don't care about super graphic and stuff! all i need is the gameplay not graphic so good that i could die with a realy crappy gameplay!
and maybe a PS3 when the price will drop a little

also don't forget that price don't include any games!
so lets see, 600$ + 2-4 game with it(around 50$each) + another controller(probably around 50$ each too) + the tax(ouch) = around 1000 USD ... that what you will have to pay for the PS3 at 600$ with games and other stuff (this is in USD)

darkshadow

Wed, 05-17-2006, 11:34 AM

At least bioalien understand what im saying, if you think that ppl get paid the same amounts for the same jobs in eu and us you are fking crazy:
and for the last goddamn time, the GRAPHICS dont change one bit if its either SD or HD, the only thing that changes is the resolution (720x576 to 1280x720), sure it gets clearer and smoothed out some more, but thats IT, nothing else changes, here are some pics for your obiously blind ass:
Fight Night round 2 in 720x576 ( dimensions may differ a bit since i had to cut it out):
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9428/fn22qo.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fn22qo.jpg)
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9646/fn229he.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fn229he.jpg)
Fight Night round 3 in 720x576 on x360:
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2498/fn38kl.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fn38kl.jpg)
Fight Night round 3 in 640x480 ( sry i dont have this one) on xbox:
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9017/93087820060221screen0033yo.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=93087820060221screen0033yo.jpg)
NBA street v3 in 720x576 :
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1911/nba33re.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nba33re.jpg)
NBA 2k7 in 760x428:
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2063/nba2k7xbox36015hr.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nba2k7xbox36015hr.jpg)

if you didnt get it NON of these screens are in HD, they are ALL in SD, so you better throw that biased opinion of yours out the window, or use that 170$ you will save on a ps3 to buy some new glasses.

oh and one note on buying the 600$/€ console and having to buy games aswell.
the games will cost even MORE then 50-60$/€ ( yes most games are 60€ here ), because every game is printed on a blu-ray disc, and those things are hella expensive, the most expensive dvd's are around 25€ here, while cinderella man on blu-ray costs a whopping 40€, i see 70$/€ prices for ps3 games coming up, in short ps3 IS the most expensive console, especially on the long run:
ps3+ 5 games + controller = 1000€, x360+hddvd+ 5 games+ controller +livegold = 990€, and thats just to make a FAIR comparison, cheapest the 360 would only be = core + 5 games + mem card = 640€, wait is that only 140 more then the cheapest ps3 WITHOUT games?...........

GhostKaGe

Wed, 05-17-2006, 12:44 PM

Just watched Final Fantasy XIII vid i want to play it now i can't wait till 2007

Final Fantasy XIII trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10870&type=mov&pl=game)

RyougaZell

Wed, 05-17-2006, 01:19 PM

BioAlien

Wed, 05-17-2006, 02:16 PM

Underworld Movie at BestBuy:

-> Blu-Ray 35dlls
-> DVD 20dlls
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7801024&type=product&id=1535349
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7808722&type=product&id=1535538

Yep. BluRay is more expensive. But... so what?
Im still going to get Final Fantasy XIII and other rpg's that will be exclusive to the PS3.

I don't care about the cheapest console, or multiplayers. I go solely (sp?) for the RPG's. And the PS and PS2 where the places to get the good RPGS... SquareEnix, Namco-Bandai, Nipon-Ichi, Level-5, etc etc.
Some of those DO make games for other consoles... but their hits I like were on the PS2 or PSone... Final Fantasy, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile, Dark Cloud, Disgaea, Makai Kingdom, Kingdom Hearts, Xenosaga, etc etc etc.

Whatever console is the best for you, you will buy it. And really... I don't care about HDTV unless one is bought at home. And since the Local Tv in Mexico will have a gradual change to HDTV in TEN YEARS... I don't care. I care about the games. Period.

Oh yeah... since the PS3 doesn't have a memory card slot (of the PS and PS2, not memory sticks...) I need to buy a cable to pass savefiles to the PC and then to the PS3... via USB most likely this last one... but I wonder what Im going to do with the supposed "un-copiable" Star Ocean Trophies Save File....

i think the same way you do about the game (rpg and stuff) and ya... the blue ray cost more more money then the normal DVD one (15$ more).

i may also buy a PS3 (even if the price if so hella high, but like i already said, i will wait till the price drop so there will be more game on it too) and for HD TV... that useless.
unless you are a sport fan (i am not) it most be good watching FootBall/Hockey/Baseball etc... on HDTV.

that aside.. do you think it would be good to buy that (http://www.braultmartineau.com/Catalogue/FicheProduit.aspx?ProductNumber=00192563&DepartmentID=Electronique), for that price(hella cheap considering the size).. there most something bad about it.. what do you think? (because my mom wanted to buy it, since it is cheap, it is a 65" TV and support most video support)

RyougaZell

Wed, 05-17-2006, 03:09 PM

I really don't know much about those kind of TV's... but I believe that one you linked is one of the "big" ones (forgot the term). Which if I'm not mistaking are being cheaper, because the tendendy know if those panel-flat TV's.

I WILL buy a PS3, but not before a big RPG comes out.
Besides... between August and October I want to buy this games:

- Final Fantasy XII
- Final Fantasy VII - Dirge of Cerberus
- Disgaea 2
- Ar Tonelico
- .hack//GU
- Valkyrie Profile 2
- Rogue Galaxy
- Xenosaga III

So... I kinda have a lot of games to enjoy on my PS2 before buying PS3. And those titles don't include hack//GU2 and hack//GU3 which still don't have a release date.

Until Final Fantasy XIII or Final Fantasy Versus XIII or another major RPG comes out (hopefully Star Ocean 4....), a PS3 won't arrive to my home.

DB_Hunter

Wed, 05-17-2006, 06:23 PM

Well because of my last 4 years at uni I have probably missed out this last generation of consoles, save for me having a PS2. I think the Gamecube was a bit too childish this time, I didn't really get the feeling from it that there was with the N64, with games like Mario64, Ocarina of time and even lylat wars. Perhaps the Wii will offer something new.

You know if I get a job I might just get all three game consoles... they should come to something like a £1000... now playing them would be a mission due to the lack of time.

If I had to choose right now I would just get an XBox360 and a Wii, simply because of the price and I think by the time the PS3 rolls out the 360 will have more titles... thats something that killed the N64 when it was competing against the PSX. This could be a bad sign for Sony...

Assertn

Thu, 05-18-2006, 12:54 PM

Ok, I moved all the tv posts to a new thread
http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php?t=13305

XanBcoo

Thu, 05-18-2006, 02:24 PM

...with games like Mario64, Ocarina of time and even lylat wars. Perhaps the Wii will offer something new.
Heh, you calling it Lylat Wars is a dead giveaway that you're from the UK. I'm hoping that there will be a Star Fox title on the Wii. It would be similar in controls to the Warhawk game that Sony showed off at their conference, just a smoother execution of it.

Right now Nintendo is showing off games like "Wii Sports" but I can't wait until some other 3rd party developers like EB Games get a chance to test out the Wii.

BioAlien

Tue, 05-23-2006, 10:38 PM

hehe, any of you noticed that they were playing on Nintendo Gamecube and not on a Wii console at the E3 (during the press conferance)
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/338/sanstitre4gd.jpg
they explained why.. but.. too lazy to post it here lol find it your self on ign or another website...

also lol, gotta laugh at that
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/060520.jpg
from http://www.vgcats.com

and... if any of you (i bet there is like only 1-2...) people who can read french (like i do) then read those:
the gamecube/wii thingy i said above:
http://www.lelezard.com/actu/3527/la-nintendo-w-gamecube-de-l-e3.html

and, nintendo Stock Exchange goes up!
http://www.lelezard.com/actu/3529/nintendo-et-sa-next-gen-.html

RyougaZell

Wed, 05-24-2006, 12:04 AM

So.... Wii is a Game Cube with Sensor compability?

I hope not... that would suck =P

XanBcoo

Wed, 05-24-2006, 02:39 PM

So.... Wii is a Game Cube with Sensor compability?

Graphics-wise, pretty much. I'm not gonna deny it - I'm disappointed that the Wii isn't much in terms of graphical improvement. The other stuff is enough to make up for it though. Also, that VG Cats strip is awesome. *saved*

Ryllharu

Wed, 05-24-2006, 03:51 PM

It does have better than the gamecube, just look at some of the shading in hi-res videos of Mario Galaxy to see that its more capable than its counterpart. I mocked up this quick side by side (better ones exist). Both are at 640x480 resolution to make a direct comparison.
Mario Galaxy vs Mario Sunshine (http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/4052/mariosidebyside9dt.jpg)

It's more powerful than the gamecube, approximately 4 of them by earlier estimates. It's no Xbox360 or PS3, but its easy to program for, cheap for all sides (manufacturing, game production, and consumer), and you don't need to buy a new TV to see the real benefit.

Just think how much the graphics improve over time on all the previous gen systems (especially the original PS). The architecture for the Wii is basically the same to the Cube. Instead of floundering about with new hardware, programmers already know how to push the Cube to its limits, and now they've got four of them in one box. They will easily be able to pick it up and max it out.

BioAlien

Wed, 05-24-2006, 04:22 PM

so i guess no one readed the french link i posted.. lol

oh well.. here a cheap Translation from what was found on the website :

We could notice at the time of this E3 that the games of Nintendo Wii was not very beautiful. And if that proved that Nintendo had used of GameCube?

Several Internet sites gave a report on a quite curious news. Indeed, it would be of GameCube which would have been used to make the demonstrations of the famous gyroscopic controller of the future console new generation of Nintendo. Everything started from the presence of a GameCube on the estrade of the theatre during the conference of Nintendo. The rumors then broke and, to slow down this avalanche of assumptions, Nintendo took the trouble to emit an official statement. "Yes, there realy was a GameCube on the estrade, but this one contained components of Wii." It act as a prototype designed for the E3.

Nintendo, by the voice of Matt Atwood, also indicated that many games presented at the E3 did not reflect the true power of the machine. We will have to wait before knowing more about what the console has to offer. The technical specifications are perhaps not final.

That a curious strategy of Nintendo which, for the moment, set much more on the new experience of play. When we look at the conference again, we can clearly see that it is the controller which holds the top of the poster. The console seems to be put at the second plan since Nintendo communicates almost nothing on the components of its console.

"and here there is a picture of the nintendo gamecube on the stage*