Naruto Technology

[sevyfez]

I read the naruto manga had watched the episodes and I began to wonder how advance is their technology I mean they apperantly have electricity and big video screens ( the screen is can be found during the test when they are fighting one on one). There is also the part when Gaara is fighting the people from the rain and the man throws the parasol in the air and states that the needles can focus in on a target like a heat sinking missile! I mean come on a heat sinking missile, now I am an avid fan of naruto so I am not trying to diss on the series I was just wondering thats all. Please leave your thoughts.

[kAi]

Well, I wouldn't call those needles heat seeking missiles but just a jutsu, so that's easily explained.

You do see a TV in Sasuke's room. (I think it was a TV)
They have an electric motor on the boat they use to get to the mist.

They can be up with our technology in some cases, and then not.

[sevyfez]

Oh well in the manga it said heat sinking missiles ( These are previously owned manga that I bought from Barnes and Noble before I knew that they were online) and I do remember seeing th t.v. in sasuke's room also. Also when they are chasing down the cat before they escort the bridge builder they use headsets to communicate and its obvious that they have electricty due to the wires around Konoha. If they do have all this technology how come they dont have guns?

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: sevyfez
Oh well in the manga it said heat sinking missiles ( These are previously owned manga that I bought from Barnes and Noble before I knew that they were online) and I do remember seeing th t.v. in sasuke's room also. Also when they are chasing down the cat before they escort the bridge builder they use headsets to communicate and its obvious that they have electricty due to the wires around Konoha. If they do have all this technology how come they dont have guns?

how come we have so much technology and we dont have space travel? They just developed it another way. They use jutsu as guns, the ninja's are the military of the city. If they had guns, what would be the use of being a ninja?

[sevyfez]

Hmmm good point!

[mage]

Originally posted by: sevyfez
I read the naruto manga had watched the episodes and I began to wonder how advance is their technology I mean they apperantly have electricity and big video screens ( the screen is can be found during the test when they are fighting one on one). There is also the part when Gaara is fighting the people from the rain and the man throws the parasol in the air and states that the needles can focus in on a target like a heat sinking missile! I mean come on a heat sinking missile, now I am an avid fan of naruto so I am not trying to diss on the series I was just wondering thats all. Please leave your thoughts.

yes, exactly. he said they focus on a target LIKE a heat seeking missile. following that, it was explained that he controls them with his chakra.

also, kishimoto has said before that naruto is a pretty modern world, just without modern weapons.



Originally posted by: darkmetal505
how come we have so much technology and we dont have space travel?
we have space travel.

[The Heretic Azazel]

How would he know what a heat seeking missile was if it didn't exist?

[heero]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
How would he know what a heat seeking missile was if it didn't exist?

thank you for saying the most obvious thing that no one seem to notice

no it wasnt a sarcasm

Edit: just because you know how to make a TV doesn't mean you know how to make a gun.

[sevyfez]

Yes that is true in some sense but dont forget the ninja from rain said like a heat sinking missile, now I donk know how you are able to make a heatsinking missile without first making guns! Sense the ninja from the rain did say that it is obvious that missiles do exist because you cant say like "like a heat sinking missile" without there actually having a heatsinking missile or even the thought of one.

[The Heretic Azazel]

SEEKING, IT SEEKS, THE MISSILE SEEKS HEAT.

[6Zabuza9]

they have movies too

[masamuneehs]

Technological skills (as of yet) are not very important in Naruto.

cant you all just accept that it really doesn't matter what the hell kind of technology they have? cuz it really has NO impact on the story at all.

[Assassin]

^ what he said.

They have tv's and head sets and all sorts of technology, but as someone stated above, having ak-47's would sorta defeat the point of being a ninja.

And for those of you how just can't accept the fact that it doesn't really matter......Its entirely possible that the rest of the world has guns and such (though probably not to the extent of giant missles and nukes and stuff) but in the ninja villages such weapons are not required as the kunai's, shurikens and senbon are more effective. Thats why they only have techonology thats useful to them like tv's and headsets......stuff like guns and gernades are useless against ninjas since theu can create clones, or control you with thier shadow.

[anphorus]

Well a missile is just a projectile that is used as a weapon. Technically an arrow counts as a missile, so Ballistic heat seeking missiles may not exist, he could've just been describing a type of jutsu.

In practially every anime technology is weird, like having fully functioning robotic arms, yet all other technology being 1910 era, for example. I think it might be because japan was pretty low tech compared to the rest of the world at one point before the west introduced new technology, which all came along at once. Or it could not, I'm no history buff. Just my 2 cp

[The Heretic Azazel]

An arrow doesn't count as a missile, come on people!

[Assertn]

I'm waiting for someone to prove that kishimoto actually intended on the rain nins to say "like a heat seeking missile"

THIS IS CRUCIAL.

[anphorus]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
An arrow doesn't count as a missile, come on people!

From Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com)

mis·sile
n.
1. An object or weapon that is fired, thrown, dropped, or otherwise projected at a target; a projectile.
2. A guided missile.
3. A ballistic missile.

ar·row
n.
1. A missile having a straight thin shaft with a pointed head at one end and often flight-stabilizing vanes at the other, meant to be shot from a bow.
2. Something, such as a directional symbol, that is similar to an arrow in form or function.
i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Anyways, AssertnFailure is right, we need someone who speaks japanese to skim through the manga or something.

[sevyfez]

Well the fact that they do know what missiles are, it would only be logic to use them sense they are far more advance than any justsu I have seen. Also saying that weapons like missiles are usless and that swords and shurikens are far more effictive is ridiculous! Eventually they will run out of chakra and you can only make so many clones! Also what the hell is a shuriken gonna do to a missile! Missiles blow up things from far distances!

[The Heretic Azazel]

Don't throw that dictionary crap at me, words mean what I want them to mean, and an arrow is not a missile.

If you guys want guns in Naruto so bad, read the pilot chapter. You'll be missing ninjas.

[sevyfez]

Arrows are atually considred a missile type not excatly like a missile.

[Assertn]

Who cares about the semantics? Hopefully we all know the difference between a heat seeking missile and an arrow RIGHT?

Pretty much any anime that involves samurais or ninjas with guns or cannons, the people with guns and cannons tend to rank among the deadliest opponents.
I mean, a rich guy with a gatling gun managed to take out 4 of the best out of Aoshi's clan in Kenshin, am I right?

If heat seeking missiles and firearms existed in the naruto world, then ninjas would end up borderline obsolete.

[anphorus]

I was just showing that the word "missile" doesn't neccesarily mean to do with explosive missiles.

The actual point I'm trying to make is that it's entirly possible that there could be a whole range of jutsu's (or even just one) which turn needles, kunai and other weapons into heat seekers. Just as how the konoha ninjas had heard about the technique used when controlling puppets, its possible that Heat Seeking Missile-no-jutsu could be one of the things that was learned in ninja school.

This is just a possiblity anyways, I think it was most likely just a mistake or a plot whole, but it's fun to theorise on what could've been meant

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Don't throw that dictionary crap at me, words mean what I want them to mean, and an arrow is not a missile.

If you guys want guns in Naruto so bad, read the pilot chapter. You'll be missing ninjas.

Anphorus doesn't want guns in Naruto and neither does anybody else. Read his post and look at the definitions he bolded. Funny enough, words don't actually mean what YOU want them to mean. A "Missle" is just another term for a projectile, so it's possible when he said "heat seeking missile" he didn't mean the kind you are familiar with, rather, a projectile that seeks out a target. Edit: Anphorus posted while I was typing this.

In any case, AssertnFailure is right, obviously heat seeking missiles or firearms don't exist in the Naruto universe. I also checked 2 translations of the manga (one being Viz's, the other Inane), and neither use "heat seeking missles" as a translation for the needles. In one, he states they are controlled by his chakra, and the other he states "They are like missles (read "projectiles") that have locked on to your signature". It was just a dumb translation.

[Assertn]

I'm not trying to discount "heat seeking projectiles", i'm trying to discount "heat seeking projectiles that level everything within a proximity".

I have no problem with kunais that follow ninjas around. We've already seen needles that did it, sound waves that did it, sand that did it.....
Besides, the whole discussion is about technology vs jutsu, not jutsu simulating technology.

Xanbcoo: If you are going to refer to "missiles" as projectiles, then his needles werent LIKE missiles, they WERE missiles. To say "like" is to make a comparison to something that it's similiar to but ISN'T.

[heero]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Don't throw that dictionary crap at me, words mean what I want them to mean, and an arrow is not a missile.

So you live in a totally different world from us where communication with others is not needed and language can only be understood by you

[sevyfez]

The translation for the heatsinking missile I got was from Shonen Jump and I pretty sure that there translation is authentic. Also this disscussion is good this technology thing has kinda bothered me a bit when I watched the episodes, now I can sleep at night.

[Assertn]

If that's the American shonen jump, then I beg to differ. Unless I'm mistaken, the american version would use viz's translations.

And we all know how well VIZ is with translating the naruto manga.

[sevyfez]

Well maybe but I am talking about the manga not that crappy american subbed anime.

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: heero


Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Don't throw that dictionary crap at me, words mean what I want them to mean, and an arrow is not a missile.

So you live in a totally different world from us where communication with others is not needed and language can only be understood by you


I would be THRILLED if I didn't have to communicate with other people. They're all shit anyhow.

Xan you're arguing semantics, it's a moot point, things are as we interpret them, so don't get angry.

[mage]

Ok, i just re-watched episode 34. There was no mention of any heat seeking missiles. Sevyfez must have been talking about the crappy american manga translations by Viz.

[sevyfez]

Lol ya sorry

[Assassin]

Originally posted by: sevyfez
Well the fact that they do know what missiles are, it would only be logic to use them sense they are far more advance than any justsu I have seen. Also saying that weapons like missiles are usless and that swords and shurikens are far more effictive is ridiculous! Eventually they will run out of chakra and you can only make so many clones! Also what the hell is a shuriken gonna do to a missile! Missiles blow up things from far distances!

ok...

1. combining physical and spiritual energy to make fire come out of ur mouth, or a clone made out of water that is self-aware would be a tad bit more complicated then making a relatively simple missle.

2. eventually u run out of bullets, and u can only have so many guns. except that chakra can be regained, bullets cant. and what i meant by melee weapons being better then guns was that, with thier speed, they could cut off ur arm before u pressed the trigger.

3. missles dont blow stuff up from a distance. they have to actually collide with thier target (not counting missles that can be detonated remotely...thats a different story). also, a shuriken doesnt need to do anyhting against a missle. You can just do a high lvl fire jutsu, and the heat seeking missle will target the jutsu user instead. after that its just a matter of runnign away from teh city or whatever. As for non-heat seekign missles, a giant water cannon can easily take care of that.

[masamuneehs]

ok. talk about overanalyzing ONE stupid poorly translated line said by some NOBODY in the show.

Naruto technology? The biggest thing I've seen (featured in the Filler episodes nonetheless) is the use of large, battery operated lights. Powerful search lights of those sort are a total enemy of the ninja and covert operations. If I were in Naruto, a spotlight would be oneof my greatest foes. That, and the fact that they have televison seems to imply that information is spread quite quickly across the nations.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: mage
Ok, i just re-watched episode 34. There was no mention of any heat seeking missiles. Sevyfez must have been talking about the crappy american manga translations by Viz.

No, he wasn't. Viz's translation reads verbatim: "They are like missles that have locked on to your signature." I have the volume that was in, and nowhere does it state anything about "heat seeking missiles."



Xanbcoo: If you are going to refer to "missiles" as projectiles, then his needles werent LIKE missiles, they WERE missiles. To say "like" is to make a comparison to something that it's similiar to but ISN'T.
Well, the original poster said heat seeking missiles, so this supposed line (which I doubt exists) would have said they are like heat seeking missles. That's what I was referring to. They are missles, but they are like heat seeking missles. Quoting what I said earlier: "so it's possible when he said "heat seeking missile" he didn't mean the kind you are familiar with, rather, a projectile that seeks out a target." Or, as anphorus put it, Heat-Seeking-Missile-no-jutsu.

btw, I'm not arguing for the hell of it, I'm just defending the points I made earlier.

[sevyfez]

Wow how naive are u that u think missiles are simple, I think you need to go outside and get some air or maybe take a break from anime a bit. Eventually chakra will run out and sense it seems that the ninjas cant use many jutsus without using up a lot of chakra. Also eventually the ninjas will get tired, it does not take a lot strength to pull a trigger and when I said far away I meant the ability to launch the missile from a long distance.

[XanBcoo]

I'm liking where this is going. "Modern technology vs. Naruto" who would win? lol

In any case, no one said missiles were simple:


Missile: 1. An object or weapon that is fired, thrown, dropped, or otherwise projected at a target; a projectile.
An object, meaning "any object." So it is correct to say the needles were missiles. But in the end, there was no translation that said "heat seeking missiles", so this argument is useless.

[sevyfez]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
I'm liking where this is going. "Modern technology vs. Naruto" who would win? lol

In any case, no one said missiles were simple:


Missile: 1. An object or weapon that is fired, thrown, dropped, or otherwise projected at a target; a projectile.
An object, meaning "any object." So it is correct to say the needles were missiles. But in the end, there was no translation that said "heat seeking missiles", so this argument is useless.

Yes it is a good disscussion but, who do u think would win Naruto's ninjutsu, genjutsu etc... or Modern technology, guns, missiles and other advance technology?
I supose that it would be diffucult for modern tech to completly overwhelm jutsu's but I think after some good analyzation, and also dont forget about the chakra sealing device in the movie. If modern time could mass produce these ninjas would be annihilated!

[Necromas]

They also have very small cordless headsets that are up to par with todays technology.

[Naruto_Fan]

there were also computers in the room where kimmimaro was being kept before his fight with naruto and gaara.

[Psyke]

The technology in Naruto is really very advanced. Remember in the movie they even have movie theaters and special effect crews. Railways and computers were also present.

[Sapphire]

Kishimoto said something about never bringing guns into Naruto.. because you can't dodge them or something-something lol

Naruto has computers (kabuto was on one when talking to Kimimaru), TV's (There's one in Sasuke's room) camara's, blah blah... I think the thing that kinda threw me off was watching the movie, where there were trains and movie theaters.. o_O

Well I guess I shouldn't be surprised about the movie theaters part.. since Ichi Ichi Romance became a movie long ago.. ^_^;

Anyway... I think life is pretty "advanced" outside the hidden villages, but in the hidden villages is kinda primitive

[Deadfire]

Originally posted by: sevyfez
Arrows are atually considred a missile type not excatly like a missile.

does it matter? it means nothing to what we are talking bout

Ok, well Animes in the past have always been like this (well I can't same all but you know what I'm talking about) if tech doesn't fit in to the main story line then it isn't given much thought also remember the Anime Law of Inverse Lethal Magnitude The destructive potential of a weapon is inversly proportional to its size and Small and cute will always overcome big and ugly. Also know as the A-Ko phenomenon.

[Xionixx]

Remember that they have wireless headset radios...that were used once by Team Kakashi.

[LobsterMagnet]

I really don't see why people get so confused by the technology seen in naruto. It takes place in it's own setting that features contemporary technology. Reason why there are no guns is simply because they probably never really evolved the need for them. If people can summon fire balls, electricity, and animals just by using their hands there really is no need for any kind of fire arm. It's no supposed to take place during fueadal japan its it's own unique time period where magic coexists with technology and tactics.

[David Craft]

hey heres one for you.

In one of the early early eps, konohamaru and the gang fallow naruto in a box. It blows up and they say, I BELIVE, "Too much gunpowerd"

Now why whould they have GUNpowder with no GUNS lol

[Sapphire]

In Japan (China?) gunpowder was developed wayyyyyy before guns. =P I think it was for fireworks..

[David Craft]

*shrugs* well they DO hav smoke bombs


but still why is it called GUNpowered? lol

[Psyke]

Simple. It's only called GUN powder in English. And of course, direct translation of gun powder in Japanese doens't have any connection to guns. And yeah, smoke bombs/smoke grenades do not make use of gun powder to create smoke screens too.

[Divinity]

Well look at the FF games for example. The technology is advanced, but they are still using medieval weapons and armor and magic.

Think of Naruto in a similar way.

[Necromas]

Originally posted by: Divinity
Well look at the FF games for example. The technology is advanced, but they are still using medieval weapons and armor and magic.

Think of Naruto in a similar way.

In the technologically advanced FF's they usually have some form of firearms.

[David Craft]

well there was that gatling gun... well similar but it instead shot kuni from teh Naruto movie lol

[anphorus]

Originally posted by: Divinity
Well look at the FF games for example. The technology is advanced, but they are still using medieval weapons and armor and magic.


If you watch Advent Children, you'll see why. Swords>>Guns.i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif Plus they have magic too.

I think it would work the same way in naruto, with so many powerful jutsus's there'd be no reason to invent guns. They'd probably be pretty useless against some Ninja anyway. Any decently powerful members of the Hyuuga clan for one. And Sharingan users too, they'd be able to see the bullets coming before they hit. And Naruto's ability to block attacks with chakra, and Gaara's sand defense. i could go on, but I think I've made the point.

[Sapphire]

[quote]
Originally posted by: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~pazuzu/uzumaki.txt

- Do you have any rules about what is definitely not allowed to be drawn in the
"Naruto" world?

Kishimoto: Firstly, projectile weapons such as guns aren't allowed. (The one exception
is Inari's bowgun.) Guns aren't suited to ninja. Gunpowder is used in the anime,
though I don't think it should be there. And, vehicles such as aeroplanes are
not allowed. I try to restrain technology that can be used for war... For
example, if missiles were in it, it'd be the end. (laughs)[quote]


Interview thing. Reading the rest of the interview should clear a few things up.. http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~pazuzu/uzumaki.txt

[Divinity]

Originally posted by: anphorus


Originally posted by: Divinity
Well look at the FF games for example. The technology is advanced, but they are still using medieval weapons and armor and magic.


If you watch Advent Children, you'll see why. Swords>>Guns. Plus they have magic too.

I think it would work the same way in naruto, with so many powerful jutsus's there'd be no reason to invent guns. They'd probably be pretty useless against some Ninja anyway. Any decently powerful members of the Hyuuga clan for one. And Sharingan users too, they'd be able to see the bullets coming before they hit. And Naruto's ability to block attacks with chakra, and Gaara's sand defense. i could go on, but I think I've made the point.

Yes that movie was the best! Let me say Tifa was looking good.

[sevyfez]

I also beleive in the movie sakura drops what seems to be a small bomb on the train or mountain or something.

[Sapphire]

An explosive note..?

[Necromas]

A bullet would easily kill any genin or chuunin that didnt have a demon inside them or an ultimate defense like Neji's.

[sevyfez]

No I dont believe it was an explosive note that was sasuke, i think sakura was on a high ridge and she dropped it on the train or on something...... lol let me check.

[ImitationSanen]

Ultimate defense or not, something moving at 1320 yards per second would penetrate that no problem. Notice that Kunai and shuriken are shown as moving very fast in the anime/manga. A bullet can't even be seen it moves so fast. I mean we could get into how chakra could effect it and whatnot, but I think a bullet fired from a gun (or several for that matter) would penetrate nejis ultimate defense, since it seems he is able to redirect the objects away from him by striking them, you can't do that to a bullet, its hot enough to melt your skin and too small =0

**note the above is just how I interpret things, I don't think anyone is wrong about anything, since this is a discussion about imaginary worlds where laws of physics may or may not be the same.


In case it hasnt been mentioned, Modern Technology would undoubtedly win, due to an anacronym that has allowed the United States to be the premier military power since the 1950's =0 I.C.B.M.

So unless Kohona has a Strategic defense ABM system setup I think modern technology wins -0

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: Sapphire
Kishimoto said something about never bringing guns into Naruto.. because you can't dodge them or something-something lol

Naruto has computers (kabuto was on one when talking to Kimimaru), TV's (There's one in Sasuke's room) camara's, blah blah... I think the thing that kinda threw me off was watching the movie, where there were trains and movie theaters.. o_O

Well I guess I shouldn't be surprised about the movie theaters part.. since Ichi Ichi Romance became a movie long ago.. ^_^;

Anyway... I think life is pretty "advanced" outside the hidden villages, but in the hidden villages is kinda primitive


what i dont get is why the feudal lords houses are all...primitive.

[sevyfez]

The fact that modern technology has the ability to mass produce let it be tanks, guns, missles or anything else gives it the upper hand, even if there was a battle, over time advance technology would eventually overcome the ninja's.

[darkmetal505]

overcome the ninja's technology or them? Yes to the technology, but no to them.

[Konohamaru]

they have walkie talkies too and in the movie, they have some futuristic armour man, and a train!

[sevyfez]

Both, mass production gives the ability to resupply, rearm and attack again. While it it obvious that the ninjas do have jutsus and summons but you forget if they rely on chakra too much they will exaust themselves while using a gun all you have to do is reload. Therefore mass production makes the bullets almost everlasting. I dont know the if the villages use factories or if they are still into blacksmithing and etc.... Also just the power of a nucleur(not sure how to spell) weapons alone could raise any village and the fact that these weapons can be launched from miles away unlike jutsus where you have to be relatively close completly overwhelms the ninjas and their technology!!!

P.S. to let you all know I am not dissing the series I enjoy It very much except the filler episodes.