Next Generation Consoles

[BioAlien]

If you are stuck, why not just use a faq?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/game/928519.html

[Winged Dancer]

ugh getting irritated.......

who else is playing twilight princess? For some reason I'm stuck in the first freakin room of the second dungeon xd

FUCK....man.....figured out what i needed to do. The most obvious thing and yet took me like 2 hours.........

LOL, in the first room? Where you have to go around and hit a few switches?

It took me a while too XD And in the first dungeon there was a room in which I was trying the most contrved, impossible solutions until my brother came by and said "Why don't you use that door?" and I was like "There's no door!" but there was. Heh.

I suck very much at Zelda, but still play it. Have you noticed the lava takes out two hearts? I didn't at first and had a game over because of that -.-

[BioAlien]

until my brother came by and said "Why don't you use that door?" and I was like "There's no door!" but there was. Heh.

haha! :p

alway look around for a door before searching for something that may not exist.

[ChaosK]

Some problems I've heard:
A bunch of Wiis are having registration/update problems caused them the crash? They have to be shipped to Nintendo to be fixed? (Unsure)

Some games of PS3 backwards compatibility (PS1 games) aren't working, but only some.

[RyougaZell]

Some problems I've heard:
A bunch of Wiis are having registration/update problems caused them the crash? They have to be shipped to Nintendo to be fixed? (Unsure)

Some games of PS3 backwards compatibility (PS1 games) aren't working, but only some.

Check your ps games here -> http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

i readed that about 200 out of 10000 games (japan obviously) are not compatible

[BioAlien]

A bunch of Wiis are having registration/update problems caused them the crash? They have to be shipped to Nintendo to be fixed? (Unsure)

It's true, many people have got that error. let's hope nintendo fix that soon.

[Raven]

OMG this is a great video on the zelda timeline:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/21/zelda-retrospective-the-end-my-only-friend-the-end/
Man, that's incredibly awesome. It makes total sense, but I never actually considered it doing so, I just thought of it as a series of games all vaguely following an old legend. I like the whole Hyrule A and B angle, it works well.

Watching those 6 videos makes me want to play through them all again, except for possibly OOT which I've beaten about 5 times. Can't wait till they're all available for Wii download.

[Assertn]

If you are stuck, why not just use a faq?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/game/928519.html
Obviously.

Except if you check them, you'd notice that none of them covered the 2nd temple yet.

WD, I didnt realize i could slash the wood blocking the pathway.....I believe my first attempt was to light it up with the lantern, but of course this wood was only vulnerable to PIERCING type weapons.

And yeah, the lava dungeon so soon is pretty rough.

Ok, so anyway that was a while ago and I'm way past that. But I noticed there was one treasure chest I couldn't seem to reach in that dungeon. I think its on top of one of the balconies on the far side of the large room before the boss. One of the spots where those fire archers are. Do I need to just come back to that later?

PS:
Cmon guys lets all be wii friends!

My # is 1596 4878 1006 4370

[Carnage]

I got my wii two days ago, and I must say it was worth every cent. The touch sensor control is the shit. I've been playing red steel and its so much fun to move the cross hair as you move the controller. I can't wait to see what zelda's going to be like ;)

[Assertn]

Walked over to the target near my work and discovered that they have fresh inventory of wiimotes and accessories...so I ganked 2 more wiimotes and 3 nunchuks :)

[Carnage]

?_? why did you get an extra nunchuck? Is there a way to play on the wii with two nunchucks? Or did your wii not come with the first nunchuck? :confused:

Edit Below: aah.....

[BioAlien]

yeah, why did you buy an extra nunchuk?

"so I ganked 2 more wiimotes and 3 nunchuks"

[XanBcoo]

Chances are he bought an extra wiimote when he got the console, but couldn't buy another nunchuck due to supply. That's what happened to me at least. We have 2 wiimotes and 1 nunchuck.

It sucks at the moment because we can't play multiplayer boxing on Wii Sports :(.

[Assertn]

nunchuks are harder to find than wiimotes, so I had an extra wiimote already with no nunchuk.

[python862]

What's with the Wii here? I'm noticing a liiiiitle trend in this forum...

[Assertn]

What's with the Wii here? I'm noticing a liiiiitle trend in this forum...
I would attribute it to a lack of discussion on the other 2 consoles

[bagandscalpel]

I would attribute it to a lack of discussion on the other 2 consoles

Philips CD-i and the Amiga 32X?

[BioAlien]

Philips CD-i and the Amiga 32X?

2 of the worst console i have played so far... (especially the philips CD-i console with those 3 zelda games)

[Knives122]

Well this is starting to get pretty fucking rediculous, I talked to a guy who works at EBgames and he said that they have no idea when they will be getting more wiis(they randomly come in), and he also said that the freaking controller for the wii was more in demand then the PS3.

I think I'm gonna go commit future suicide now and go rob a best buy or something, b/c I probably won't be getting a wii this year unless I go to the store everyday and do a stake out.

[masamuneehs]

I think I'm gonna go commit future suicide now

what does this even mean?!? :confused:

yeah, i'm getting pretty fed up with the lack of Wiis in my area. I've been trying off and on since it came out to find one. I've checked every store in the area at different times, but my timing and choice of stores just never seem to hit... but maybe it's for the best, this being the big time of year for exams and all now...

[BioAlien]

Well this is starting to get pretty fucking rediculous, I talked to a guy who works at EBgames and he said that they have no idea when they will be getting more wiis(they randomly come in), and he also said that the freaking controller for the wii was more in demand then the PS3.

I think I'm gonna go commit future suicide now and go rob a best buy or something, b/c I probably won't be getting a wii this year unless I go to the store everyday and do a stake out.

2 words, Internet Orders.

And, most store will receive more Wii the 8 of decemver (at least, in canada)

[Knives122]

I've checked most internet websites(target, trus, walmart, ebgames, BB, etc.) they are all sold out. And I know about the orders coming in later in the week.

But that still won't stop me from commiting future suicide...

[Raven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLXCE-bMUM

Oh man, I hope I never turn into this guy.

[RyougaZell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLXCE-bMUM

Oh man, I hope I never turn into this guy.

If someone ever tells me I'm an otaku or a gamefreak... I'll just show them this video.

Jesus... what a loser.

Is he still alive at least? Or did he die for not sleeping?

I remember a guy once died playing videogames because he didnt sleep in over a week (he was depressed or something, don't quite remember)

[RedX1z]

talk about a hardcore gamer.


If someone ever tells me I'm an otaku or a gamefreak... I'll just show them this video.

Jesus... what a loser.

Is he still alive at least? Or did he die for not sleeping?

I remember a guy once died playing videogames because he didnt sleep in over a week (he was depressed or something, don't quite remember)

you sure it wasn't guy who died from playing starcraft, because he didn't sleep or eat for 5 days?

[Aeon]

I've checked most internet websites(target, trus, walmart, ebgames, BB, etc.) they are all sold out. And I know about the orders coming in later in the week.

But that still won't stop me from commiting future suicide...

Bestbuy's next Wii shipment won't be until Dec 17th, it'll be in the ad so everyone will know about it though. We still have yet to get anymore wiimotes and nunchuks:(. And I wish they remove the employee purchase ban on PS3's we get them weekly and my sis can never reach the store on time to pick mine up. Sucks having to give them away to ebayers.

[Thi3f]

....................

[python862]

Check my avvy. There lies my allegiance

[Deadfire]

Bestbuy's next Wii shipment won't be until Dec 17th, it'll be in the ad so everyone will know about it though. We still have yet to get anymore wiimotes and nunchuks:(. And I wish they remove the employee purchase ban on PS3's we get them weekly and my sis can never reach the store on time to pick mine up. Sucks having to give them away to ebayers.

I know what you mean, however they are being smart about it buying the PSP on the console as well to sell it for a higher price. My store doesn't have this ban you speak of but the systems are to over my price range for me to even begin to think about them.

As well I'm more of a PC gamer myself anyways..

[Sandldan]

Hmm would it be smart to "buy now", i wonder... :confused:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/The-Greatest-Playstation-3-Auction-on-Ebay-Period_W0QQitemZ290057703498QQihZ019QQcategoryZ620 54QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[ChaosK]

Most people aren't making that great of a profit off the PS3 anymore, in fact those that weren't sold after the 1st 2 days dropped real fast.

The ones sold in like the 1st few days went up to around 3000, now i think they're mostly around 200 more than the original price.

[RyougaZell]

Warning: May contain spoilers for Naruto Shinppu-den (Hurricane Chronicles)

Wii Naruto:
http://www.jeux-france.com/images0_4_18311.html

EDITED

[LaZie]

Is that a dual super powered rasengan I see?

[XanBcoo]

God, I'm stuck in Twilight Princess.

The fishing sidequest, with the Reekfish. Has anyone done it? How the fuck am I supposed to catch them? I literally tried for an hour. I can't fucking do it. I read some FAQs, but they're no help at all.

I wait for the bobber to go underwater, the fish get away. I wait for the bobber to get pulled around, the fish get away. I even pull just as the bobber starts to move underwater, and they get away. This is the only trouble I've had in the game so far, and it's ruining my completion time. ARGH!

[Assertn]

God, I'm stuck in Twilight Princess.

The fishing sidequest, with the Reekfish. Has anyone done it? How the fuck am I supposed to catch them? I literally tried for an hour. I can't fucking do it. I read some FAQs, but they're no help at all.

I wait for the bobber to go underwater, the fish get away. I wait for the bobber to get pulled around, the fish get away. I even pull just as the bobber starts to move underwater, and they get away. This is the only trouble I've had in the game so far, and it's ruining my completion time. ARGH!

lol.....i was held up there for a little bit too....although I think for a slightly different reason. If you'd like to know more specifically about it, drop me a PM.

HINT: Did you ask the local zoras about the picture that girl gave you?

[XanBcoo]

HINT: Did you ask the local zoras about the picture that girl gave you?
Oh, yeah. I've done everything I needed to do. I did the sketch thing and got the item I need to catch the fish with. But I can't for the life of me figure out how to actually catch the damn things. I think it's just my technique that's wrong. Like I said, I tried for a whole hour, sitting there, waiting, varying the force at which I pulled the hook up as well as when I actually pulled it up once it started bobbing, but nothing I did worked. I kept yanking up an empty hook, watching 3 or 4 fish scatter away from the spot where it had been.

I broke my personal code and looked at several FAQs just to see if there was something I was doing wrong, and all they say is "pull the hook up when the bobber goes underwater hurrr", but it doesn't work.

I guess I just suck at fishing.

[ChaosK]

Warning: May contain spoilers for Naruto Shinppu-den (Hurricane Chronicles)

Wii Naruto:
http://www.jeux-france.com/images0_4_18311.html

EDITED

Uhh does Sakura have some sort of...chidori/rasengan technique going there? :confused:

[RyougaZell]

Dunno about that one CK.

Anyways.
Call of Duty comparison Xbox360/PS3/Wii
http://www.toquedequeda.net/pressstart/post2629/

[Assertn]

I guess I just suck at fishing.
Yep.....sure sounds that way

[BioAlien]

Call of Duty comparison Xbox360/PS3/Wii
http://www.toquedequeda.net/pressstart/post2629/

i don't see much difference... but that probably because i don't care much about the graphics at all (hell, i still play my olds 2D games with awful graphic compared to that...)

[darkmetal505]

Uhh does Sakura have some sort of...chidori/rasengan technique going there? :confused:

It'll probably replace her special. It looks similar to Tsuande's current one.

It looks like they might replace Naruto Rendan with Rasengan Rendan too.

[ChaosK]

i don't see much difference... but that probably because i don't care much about the graphics at all (hell, i still play my olds 2D games with awful graphic compared to that...)

You can clearly see big differences on the closeup of some guy during that thing...

Also I'm not sure if it's the graphics or the setting but the PS3 one is hella bright.

[RyougaZell]

Too bright. I think 360 looks better in this game.
Too bad I hate this war games... but nevertheless I found interesting the video.

[Sandldan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAhR1N5oJNA&eurl=
Now that's a nintendo fanboy

[Assertn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAhR1N5oJNA&eurl=
Now that's a nintendo fanboy
Dude that was already posted like, a page or two ago

[Sandldan]

sorry, seems like i'll have to start reading what other people post in the future :'(

[SK]

Too bright. I think 360 looks better in this game.
Too bad I hate this war games... but nevertheless I found interesting the video.

Really? I thought it looked best on PS3.

[Sandldan]

I'd say xbox has an upper hand in most parts in that video, ps3 is just slightly behind as in most multi platform titles so far. But ps3 is still new and the devs have yet to get the best performance out of it. Take the multi platform new madden title for example the ps3 version is slightly behind in some aspects than the 360 one, but if you compare the new version for both ps3 and xbox to the older one released at 360 launch the ps3 has the upper hand.

Here's a statement done by electronic arts

We've got games coming out now where we feel we've hit maybe 20 per cent of the potential of PlayStation 3. We know the power's there, but like any new platform it's going to take us a little bit of time to unleash it.


Was it more complex than we were expecting? Yes, probably; there were some challenges that we didn't expect. We've got tremendous confidence long-term that it's going to be a phenomenal games machine


And a Final Fantasy Versus XIII Trailer was released a while ago, you can watch the flash version on the site here: http://www.square-enix.com/jp/members/special/ffv13_01/member_movie.cgi

Been alot of hype about motorstorm lately, been talking about how the newly announced final build looks so much better and improved from the demo.
Well judge for yourself a pretty new motorstorm video, well i want it atleast :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ipVcRJD-o

[Assertn]

http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/show_article.php?id=64

[BioAlien]

don't blame the wii, blame the user.

[Sandldan]

A site reporting about all the victims of the Wii : o

http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/

[RyougaZell]

Assertn already published that page... 2 posts before you.

Anyways... bummer about the Wiitards breaking things, beating dogs and even dislocating clavicles (sp?).

Interesting that Nintendo is even replacing the straps with thicker ones. Wonder why? :D

[BioAlien]

Interesting that Nintendo is even replacing the straps with thicker ones. Wonder why? :D

probably to prevent the idiots from sueing nintendo for having 'break' their tv/glass/window/other stuff. even though it was their fault (the idiots, not nintendo) for letting the remote go, if you hold it and don't let it go, you don't even need the strap.

[Assertn]

Assertn already published that page... 2 posts before you.
lolz sandldan....when will you learn?

[Sandldan]

Gah i sensed a bit of oldness before i was going to post, thus i searched for an older post containing it without success. And thought it was good to go :<

This cant be old now can it? :s

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/16225843.htm

[RyougaZell]

probably to prevent the idiots from sueing nintendo for having 'break' their tv/glass/window/other stuff. even though it was their fault (the idiots, not nintendo) for letting the remote go, if you hold it and don't let it go, you don't even need the strap.

Dude... I was being sarcastic.
Of course I know its to prevent sues from idiots.
Especially in USA where any sue can be valid...

In another matter... I hate Nintendo Wi-Fi.
I can't get the last class or last dungeon on Final Fantasy III unless I send 4 stupid messages via Nintendo Wi-Fi. Damn Square using that stupid thing.

EDIT:

The imbecile on Sandldans post should get death penalty.....

[Carnage]

Death is too good for him. I say he gets sent to prison to be anally raped >.< :mad:

[Assertn]

http://www.betanews.com/article/Nintendo_to_Recall_32M_Wiimote_Straps/1166202570

[BioAlien]

Death is too good for him. I say he gets sent to prison to be anally raped >.< :mad:

that may give him pleasure, i say, tie him up on a tree near a volcano that is erupting, he will die suffocating by the ash falling on him. (or burned to death by the lava)

so that, or a really slow, and painful execution.

[ChaosK]

Dunno if anyone's seen or posted this:

http://nexgenwars.com/images/x360_forum2.jpg (http://nexgenwars.com/)
http://nexgenwars.com/images/ps3_forum2.jpg (http://nexgenwars.com/)
http://nexgenwars.com/images/wii_forum2.jpg (http://nexgenwars.com/)

Should update automatically.

[el_boss]

That doesn't really say much since the consoles have been for sale during different amounts of time. It should show how well they are selling per timeunit instead.

[ChaosK]

I never claimed for it to be a score of things, just showing how much have been sold. Also, the PS3 one rarely moves. :p

[Aeon]

From what I hear Nextgenwars isnt a very reliable site when it comes to tracking numbers.

[BioAlien]

From what I hear Nextgenwars isnt a very reliable site when it comes to tracking numbers.


the number are updated like every weeks or so, so it match the numbers of the actual sold machine.

(ps3 is not selling that much, not really because of that price, but because sony is not producing them fast enough. mostly because of the blu ray thingy that take time to make)

[nests]

Hey guess what people?
I just typed this massege using my Wii remote.
It's an ok browser but I can't make it to watch youtube videos.

[BioAlien]

Youtube video are in flash no?

if so, then its normal, Opera on wii seems to only support Flash 7.

[Assertn]

woo........few things to post:

1) Yes opera channel plays youtube......I just tested it out today. Too bad it doesnt support flash 9 though :(

2) check out www.woot.com (also read the description, its funny)

3) also, penny-arcade addresses the practicality of the wii weather channel: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/20

^_^

[Raven]

So... have you guys all finished Twilight Princess ages ago? I've just finished the 3rd dungeon, sooo good. I have to say this game is giving OoT a run for its money.

I like the idea of the web browser and I've had a play around with it, but it's kind of pointless seeing there's two PCs about a metre away. Good system though.

[nests]

I just finished it. It took me 60 hours but I didnt get every single thing, so now I have to replay it all over again.

[BioAlien]

I just finished it. It took me 60 hours but I didnt get every single thing, so now I have to replay it all over again.

is the fishing fun?

[XanBcoo]

I just finished it. It took me 60 hours but I didnt get every single thing, so now I have to replay it all over again.
I clocked in at about 41 hours (not too sure since my time was 40 hours at the last save point before the final battle, which took me at least an hour to complete), and I finished with 20 hearts, the biggest wallet, the biggest quiver, 3 bomb bags, and all the bottles. Not sure if there's anything else worth getting in the game. I'm considering getting the rest of the Poe spirits, but I hear it's not worth the effort.

And my finish time would have been about an hour less if it weren't for that fucking Reekfish.

[nests]

is the fishing fun?
Yes it is. unfortunally my Uncle and Dad saw me fishing and now thats all they want to to

[Assertn]

I'm halfway through the sky dungeon, but I took a break after getting the special item from it.

I'll probably start it up again once I get the component out cables for it

[Aeon]

Look's like we might be getting a X360 redesign according to engadget.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/the-second-xbox-360-revealed-codename-zephyr/

[BioAlien]

great... M$ found another way to get more money out of the hopeless gamers...

[RyougaZell]

That thing will probably cost 600 dlls :D

[BioAlien]

Maybe more~ :eek:

edit: woot! i finally got to order the wii! i should receive it by wednesday~ (friday at worst)
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7190/wiivp9.jpg

[RyougaZell]

European Gamers once more left out.

European PS3 to not have PS2chip. Will work with emulation. (http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q1-2007/022307b.html)

Nice move Sony... :rolleyes: thankfully I don't live over there :D

[bagandscalpel]

Ah, well consider this realistically; how many people own a PS3 (or will own) that don't already own a PS2?

Remember, PS3 is all about fragrant uber-ness and curing cancer, NOT the previous generation of gaming~:)

[BioAlien]

Why the hell would sony do that?!


"Sony is managing expectations by saying now that the new console will play fewer of the old games, and that's a good thing," said analyst Alex Kwiatowski

That dude was probably on crack when he said that, because it is FAR from being a good thing.


"I'm as disappointed as the next game player about the reduced backward compatibility, but even the most nostalgic, misty-eyed gamers will have their steely hearts impressed by the new features that PS3 games provide."

Suuuuure, but what about everyone who want to play the previous games?
for exemple,
Are you just going to buy God of War 3 on the ps3, without having even played the 2 previous titles? Of course not.
Not everyone who got the Ps3 already have a Ps2, So those who don't have a ps2 will have to go buy one just to play those games, this is what sony want.. More money.

[Assertn]

Maybe they'll let the Wii play ps2 titles so they won't have to :D

[rockmanj]

Freakin money grubbing sony...serves them right then, that their stock dropped 7.21%...but then again, it looks like they might need that extra ps1 dough.

[darkshadow]

Armored Core 4 demo on japanese marketplace, go gets it!
I think its awesome.

[masamuneehs]

DDR? Guitar Hero? Lame. All of them go lame in comparison to this:

http://theamazingrolo.blogspot.com/2007/03/wii-loop-machine.html

The Wii Loop Machince is just another example of "you couldn't do this with old video games". I've never been a fan of DDR, Guitar Hero or any of those play music genres, but my roommate had to throw me out of his room at around 3AM last night because I was having so much fun with this thing.

If you have a Mac and a decent library of music loops (any artist should have songs, recording equipment or can use GarageBand or other programs to make them) then you should buy a Wiimote and try this!

Essentially it's using the Wiimote as a Bluetooth device to actively DJ and create beats. The video on the site shows an example, and the free software is pretty easy to use for something still so far in development. Software comes with basic loops that the developer used, but you can easily load your own loops.

I think it's cool, and offers a shit ton of promise for the future of interactive games.

[el_boss]

I need some help with choosing a console. I'm currently shifting between the 360 and the PS3. Wii is not really an option since Rock Band won't come out on that system, and also I have a DS and the Wii feels like the same thing just bigger.

I don't care about the price, since a console is a long time investment.

I hear people saying that there are no good games for the PS3, which is true... but the same is true for the 360. I don't like FPSs and Sports, and there are like no other types of games on the 360.

I would like to hear about the PS online thing. I've tried xb live and it's quite solid, but it costs as opposed to psonline being free.

Also from what I've read it seems like the PS3 has much better connection capabilities. The 360 doesn't even have HDMI right?

The feeling I have so far is that it isn't worth buying any of the systems yet.

[Ryllharu]

I don't have a PS3, I've never played on one, so I'm clearly biased with my 360. Please take that into account in this post. Someone with a PS3 can make a case for that, I'm not qualified to criticize it appropriately.

Xbox Live Arcade is a great way to build up a library of cheap (average 400 points) games. There's a huge variety too. Board games (Catan), Shooters (Alien Hominid HD, Assault Heroes), rhythm games (Boom Boom Rocket), Puzzle games, and even full games from past generations (Mortal Kombat, Castlevania: SoTN though they do cost more). I've got a lot more XBLA games than I do actual discs.

The rentals and TV shows that come in HD are nice (I never waste money on them though because I don't have an HDTV). Xbox Live is currently one of the few, if only, online distributor of HD content. They have anime too (dubbed, but still).

The genres of games on disc is expanding rapidly. The first game I got with it was Tomb Raider Legend. Short game, but certainly the best Tomb Raider game I've played since 2. MS has also realized their library was a little too centered to the American audience with 1st and 3rd Person shooters, so they've started getting into the j-rpg market with Eternal Sonata, and a few other quirky games, like Katamari.

The demos are probably the best part of XBL. They'll put out a few demos of some anticipated titles, and they're usually about 30 minutes of gameplay. It's a pretty good way to gauge whether you want a title. It's the reason I made sure I bought Bioshock, pre-ordered Eternal Sonata, and decided that 99 Nights was garbage from the poor gameplay and worse localization.

There are downsides to the 360.

There are all the hardware issues. The 360 must be properly ventilated, with plenty of space for airflow around the vents and sides. The ring of death comes from people stuffing the thing into entertainment centers. Not everyone has these problems. I'm still on my first, and it sits next to my tv on a hard surface, well off the ground. Never tilt the console while it's on (why I'm on my second copy of Dreamfall).

The peripherals are not cheap. The controllers are pretty standard cost, and the battery life is great. It's the other things that kill you. If you buy a lot of the HD media (and never delete demos) you'll need a bigger hard drive. The 120 is worth it if you do (my friend got one), but it's very overpriced. The wireless adapter isn't cheap either. Mine works great, but at $100, it's expensive.

Several features don't work outside the US. I'm not sure which, but the digital media is the big one. That's due to asshole licensing laws from the Unites States.

[el_boss]

The demos are indeed a pleasant feature, but psn has that to I think. If anyone has a ps3 please share how psn works.

The 360 elite is still cheaper than a ps3 so that would solve most of the problems you've mentioned right?

I've read some e3 coverage and such, and I would say that upcoming games for both ps3 and 360 are equally good, but I've been a long time follower of the ps exclusive franchises like ff and mgs.

[Y]

There are absolutely no good exclusive games for the PS3 out right now. If you buy one right now you will be sitting on a pile of shovelware until Metal Gear drops in mid-08.

[el_boss]

There are absolutely no good exclusive games for the PS3 out right now. If you buy one right now you will be sitting on a pile of shovelware until Metal Gear drops in mid-08.That's why I said upcoming games. But like I said, the 360 has the same problem, you sit on just as much "shovelware". I mean name one exclusive 360 game that makes the console worth buying. Actually when I think about the only upcoming exclusive 360 games that seem interesting are Lost Oddyssey and Mass Effect. Admittedly there aren't that many upcoming good exclusive releases on the ps3 either, but the argument that there are no good games for the ps3 just doesn't hold when the alternative is just as bad.

[darkshadow]

I've expanded my release list for you, maybe this will make choosing a bit easier for ya.
this is all from my POV though:
Must have: games ill get asap
will get: games ill get eventually
interesting: games i might get down the road
Multi: these are games that ill get for x360 or pc.


Multi 2007/2008

Must Have
Stranglehold Action 07-Sep-2007 (pc?) MIDWAY
Sega Rally Racing 28-Sep-2007 SEGA
Assassin's Creed Action 09-Nov-2007 UBISOFT MONTREAL
Need for Speed ProStreet Racing 01-Nov-2007 (pc) EA GAMES
Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Action 09-Nov-2007 KOEI
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Action 30-Nov-2007 LUCASARTS
Dynasty warriors 6 Strategy Q1 2008 KOEI
Soul calibur 4 Fighting TBA 2008(march?) NAMCO BANDAI
Devil may cry 4 Action/Adventure Q1 2008 CAPCOM
Unreal tournament III FPS Q1 2008 (nov 2007 PC!) EPIC GAMES

RESIDENT EVIL 5 Action TBA 2009! CAPCOM

will get
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights Racing 21-Sep-2007 THQ (Pc)
BlackSite: Area 51 FPS 21-Sep-2007 MIDWAY
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway FPS 16-Nov-2007 UBISOFT MONTREAL
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames Action 30-Nov-2007 EA GAMES
Mafia 2 Action TBA 2008 (PC) 2K GAMES
Silent hill 5 Action/Adventure TBA 2008 KONAMI
Last Remnant RPG TBA 2008 SQUARE ENIX
The Bourne Conspiracy Action Q3 2008 SIERRA

interesting
Burnout Paradise Racing 13-Sep-2007 EA GAMES
Kane & Lynch: Dead Men Action 16-Nov-2007 EIDOS
Clive Barker's Jericho Action 26-Oct-2007 Codemasters
WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2008 Sport 09-Nov-2007 THQ
Alone in the Dark 5 Action/Adventure 09-Nov-2007 ATARI
Rogue Warrior FPS 30-Nov-2007 Bethesda
Dark Sector Action 25-Jan-2008 Digital Extremes
Elveon Action Q3 2007 10tacle studios (pc)
The Wheelman Action Q4 2007 MIDWAY

18 2007
8 2008
1 2009

X360 2007/2008

Must have:
*BioShock FPS 24-Aug-2007 (pc?) BIOWARE
*Project Gotham Racing 4 Racing 12-Oct-2007 BIZARRE
*Halo 3 FPS 26-Sep-2007 BUNGIE
*Naruto: Rise of a Ninja Fighting 02-Nov-2007 UBISOFT MONTREAL
**Virtua Fighter 5 Fighting 30-Oct-2007 SEGA
*Lost Odyssey RPG Febuary 2008 MISTWALKER
*Splinter Cell: Conviction Tactical 16-Nov-2007 UBISOFT MONTREAL
*Mass Effect RPG 30-Nov-2007 BIOWARE
*Eternal Sonata RPG 19-Oct-2007 NAMCO BANDAI
*Ace Combat 6 Simulator 23-Nov-2007 NAMCO BANDAI
*Ninja gaiden II Action/Adventure TBA 2008 TEAM NINJA
**Grand Theft Auto IV Action Q1 2008 ROCKSTAR
12
Will get:
*Blue Dragon RPG 24-Aug-2007 MISTWALKER
*Fable 2 RPG TBA 2008 LIONHEAD
*Halo Wars Strategy TBA 2007 MICROSOFT GAME STUDIOS
*Infinite Undiscovery RPG TBA 2007 SQUARE ENIX
*Kengo: Legend of the 9 Fighting November 2007 GENKI
*Alan Wake Adventure TBA 2008 REMEDY(pc?)
5

13 2007
5 2008
16 exclusive
2 better versions

PS3 2007/2008

Must have
*Metal Gear Solid 4 Action Q1 2008 (january?) KONAMI
*Final Fantasy Versus XIII RPG TBA 2008 SQUARE
*Final Fantasy XIII RPG TBA 2008 SQUARE
*God of War III Action TBA 200? SONY ENTERTAINMENT
4
will get
*Tekken 6 Fighting TBA 2008 NAMCO BANDAI
*King of Fighters: MI3 Fighting TBA 2008 SNK (timed exclusive)
*Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Action TBA 2008 NAUGHTY DOG
*Folklore Action/Adventure 26-Oct-2007 GAME REPUBLIC
*Eye of Judgement Puzzle 26-Oct-2007 SONY ENTERTAINMENT
*LittleBigPlanet Entertainment Q1 2008 SONY ENTERTAINMENT
6
interesting
*Heavenly Sword Action 14-Sep-2007 NINJA THEORY
*WarHawk Action 21-Sep-2007 INGOCNITO inc.
*Lair Action/Adventure 19-Oct-2007 FACTOR 5
*Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Racing Q4 2007 POLYPHONY
*Time Crisis 4 Action TBA 2008 NAMCO BANDAI
*Killzone 2 FPS TBA 2008 GUERILLA GAMES
6

6 2007
10 2008
15 exclusive

[Assertn]

also I have a DS and the Wii feels like the same thing just bigger.

........lol?

[Ryllharu]

I have a DS and the Wii feels like the same thing just bigger.
As Assertn said in so fewer words, that's fairly uninformed.

I recently got Metroid Prime 3, and I also have Bioshock for the 360. The amount of immersion provided by the atmosphere in Bioshock is impressive (even more with 5.1 sound), but it cannot even compare to the level of immersion you get from the wiimote and nunchuck.

[Aeon]

There are absolutely no good exclusive games for the PS3 out right now. If you buy one right now you will be sitting on a pile of shovelware until Metal Gear drops in mid-08.
Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, MotorStorm, and Warhawk all say hi. BTW Metal Gear is early 08.

Anyways to go into the whole PSN thing, it offers everything XBL offers except a unified in game friends list and the ability to rent movies atm. If a game is multiplatform you can expect to see the demo on the PSN only drawback is that XBL seems to have the demo's first since they update whenever and the PSN is only updated on Thursdays.

[Assertn]

Basically, the DS and Wii have less in common than PS2 or PSP has to PS3

[darkshadow]

Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, MotorStorm, and Warhawk all say hi. BTW Metal Gear is early 08.

Anyways to go into the whole PSN thing, it offers everything XBL offers except a unified in game friends list and the ability to rent movies atm. If a game is multiplatform you can expect to see the demo on the PSN only drawback is that XBL seems to have the demo's first since they update whenever and the PSN is only updated on Thursdays.

Please heavenly sword en motorstorm are hardly GOOD exclusives, both ok games, but definitly not as good as ppl make it out to be.
Sigma exclusive? c'mon :( , its the same game except prettier and easier, and no we dont care about rachel.

That leaves you with resistance and warhawk, or better yet go look at the list i posted earlier.

PSN also doesnt offer a demo with every arcade game, all arcade games can be demoed on 360, PSN also doesn't require intergrated voice chat for online play, so games like armored core 4 on ps3 don't have it.

2007 is pure fail for ps3, PSN remains lackluster, multiplatform devs will always favor 360 ( easier to work with, bigger user base, cheaper console ).
So even for 2008, which looks to be a very redeeming year for ps3, it will remain a hardcore gamer's console.

[RyougaZell]

Im totally biased towards a PS3... even though I still don't own one. Anyway... this is the list of games Im currently waiting to buy or to be released...



PS2
.hack//GU Vol 3 - Redemption Already Out Exclusive
Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix 2 Already Out (Import) Exclusive
Ar Tonelico 2 TBA Exclusive
Soul Nomad 24 Sep Exclusive

Wii
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles November07 Exclusive
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Wii TBA Exclusive

PSP
Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core TBA Exclusive
Jeanne D'Arc Already Out Exclusive
Final Fantasy Tactics Lions Wars October 07 Exclusive
Final Fantasy 20th Anniversary Already Out Uberport...
Final Fantasy II 20th Anniversary Already Out Uberport...
Final Fantasy Dissidia TBA Exclusive
Star Ocean First Departure TBA Exclusive Remake
Star Ocean Second Evolution TBA Exclusive Remake
Disgaea Afternoon of Darkness October 07 Etna Remake Exclusive
Kingdom Hearts Zero TBA Exclusive

NDS
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance Ebay... Exclusive
Final Fantasy Tactics A2 TBA Exclusive
Final Fantasy XII - Revenant Wings TBA Exclusive
It's a Wonderful World TBA Exclusive
Final Fantasy IV DS TBA Exclusive 3D Remake
Kingdom Hearts Chains of Memories 2 TBA Exclusive

PS3
Final Fantasy XIII TBA Exclusive
Final Fantasy Versus XIII TBA Exclusive
Kingdom Hearts 3 TBA -Not confirmed-
Star Ocean 4 TBA Console not confirmed. PS3 likely.
White Knight Story TBA Exclusive
Makai Wars TBA Future unsure
Resident Evil 5 TBA PS3/Xbox360
Disgaea 3 TBA Exclusive
Tears to Tiara TBA Exclusive
Agarest Senki TBA Exclusive
Eternal Sonata TBA PS3/Xbox360



So like... Im not interested on getting an Xbox360, but will surely get a PS3 next year... a PSP at the end of the month... and already own a PS2, Wii and NDS

:P

[Psyke]

The day MGS 4 is released...... shall be the day I take a PS3 home.

[NM]

Whoa whoa whoa! What is this I see on Ryouga's list? Kingdom Hearts Zero and Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories 2?? Someone care to explain these? I haven't heard of any other Kingdom Hearts game in the works besides 3, obviously because of the trailer at the end of KH2.

I'm also waiting on the PS3. As much as I hate to admit it, Sony did not fare well this year due to the price tag and the lack of games. Although I think it has the chance to get back on top in 2008, that's when all the games I'm really looking forward to are coming out. I will be getting one, of that I'm sure (probably when MGS4 comes out like Psyke). But 2007 wasn't the time to get it imo. For now I have the Wii so some of the games I'm looking forward to are:

Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles
Bleach Shattered Blade
Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Nights: Journey of Dreams

And of course any game from the past that shows up on the Virtual Console that I really enjoyed back as a kid I will probably get.

If I ever decide to mod the Wii so I can play imports (unless there's a freeloader Disc for Wii), I want to get:

Suzumiya Haruhi no Tamado
Mobile Suit Gundam MS Front 0079 (Click here to see it on gametrailers.) (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/4754.html)

[RyougaZell]

Scan for KH Zero...
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/SubiWatson/up0022.jpg

Its supposed to be officially announced this Tokyo Game Show... and will focus on the past... Roxas' past it seems.

[el_boss]

I was kidding about the wii. It seems fun enough. The problem is though that I don't have as much time to play games anymore, so I will only have time for one console anyway. And as I said I must have Rock Band.

It seems like the general consesus is that it isn't really worth buying a console now. So I will probably wait till next year. I can beef upp with a new tv and sound system while I wait.

Btw are you using some webpage to generate those upcoming games list?

[darkshadow]

The day MGS 4 is released...... shall be the day I take a PS3 home.

QFT.
And ryougazell, i like how your list is composed of nearly only TBA games, oh and eternal sonata is still 360 exclusive for now and wont be out on ps3 for at least 8 months.
It's ok to be biased, but that is leaning to fanboyism.

[Aeon]

Please heavenly sword en motorstorm are hardly GOOD exclusives, both ok games, but definitly not as good as ppl make it out to be.
Sigma exclusive? c'mon :( , its the same game except prettier and easier, and no we dont care about rachel.

That leaves you with resistance and warhawk, or better yet go look at the list i posted earlier.

PSN also doesnt offer a demo with every arcade game, all arcade games can be demoed on 360, PSN also doesn't require intergrated voice chat for online play, so games like armored core 4 on ps3 don't have it.

2007 is pure fail for ps3, PSN remains lackluster, multiplatform devs will always favor 360 ( easier to work with, bigger user base, cheaper console ).
So even for 2008, which looks to be a very redeeming year for ps3, it will remain a hardcore gamer's console.
Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm aren't good exclusives:confused: what exactly makes you say that? Heavenly Sword is the best next gen gaming experience that I have had. Sure the game is short(8hrs) but the best game I've played on the 360 before Bioshock (Gears) was under 8hrs as well and has terrible online(lag, glitches,host advantage). Motorstorm is also the most fun I've ever had in a racing game since Midnight club. Playing it online is simply a blast with friends and trying to outrun a big rig with a motorcycle is a riot. And Sigma doesn't count as an exclusive? I guess it's easy to say you don't care about the added features when you're downplaying something cause it's exclusive. Sure a couple of games on the PSN don't have Voice Chat like AC4 and Super Puzzle Fighter, but if it's worth spending 50$ a yr to have voice in every game then to each his own. Voice chat is def in games that it's needed like Resistance, GRAW, Rainbow 6.

[RyougaZell]

QFT.
And ryougazell, i like how your list is composed of nearly only TBA games, oh and eternal sonata is still 360 exclusive for now and wont be out on ps3 for at least 8 months.
It's ok to be biased, but that is leaning to fanboyism.

Well, since I won't even touch an Xbox360, and will definitely buy a PS3 I don't see it as fanboyism... nor since I own a Wii and NDS way before trying to get PSP or PS3...

Im a multi-console fan... or almost, since I don't like the X-one. Eternal Sonata was the only game I wanted to play there, since Blue Dragon is a dissapointment, thus a port for Eternal Sonata was excellent for me.

TBA games? Indeed. On all consoles. All my PS3 ones are on TBA? true, no game today is worth on that console... and won't be until at least late 2008.

I'll just have to play on the PS2, PSP, Wii and NDS while good games come out on PS3.

Have a nice day.


PS: I hate online gaming.

[darkshadow]

Heavenly Sword and Motorstorm aren't good exclusives:confused: what exactly makes you say that? Heavenly Sword is the best next gen gaming experience that I have had. Sure the game is short(8hrs) but the best game I've played on the 360 before Bioshock (Gears) was under 8hrs as well and has terrible online(lag, glitches,host advantage). Motorstorm is also the most fun I've ever had in a racing game since Midnight club. Playing it online is simply a blast with friends and trying to outrun a big rig with a motorcycle is a riot. And Sigma doesn't count as an exclusive? I guess it's easy to say you don't care about the added features when you're downplaying something cause it's exclusive. Sure a couple of games on the PSN don't have Voice Chat like AC4 and Super Puzzle Fighter, but if it's worth spending 50$ a yr to have voice in every game then to each his own. Voice chat is def in games that it's needed like Resistance, GRAW, Rainbow 6.

They aren't, GOOD exclusives are games that make people buy the console, for just that game, system movers, HS and motorstorm def aren't that.
i've played HS over and over at a friends house, and like i said, its OK.
HS lacks something to make me say, "omg I'm getting a ps3 for this", heck it doesn't even make me say "this justifies 65€", while mgs4 and ff13 will make me buy a ps3 on day one, and oh yeah HS's framerate is all over the place.
GoW, Ninja gaiden and dmc all run at a rock solid 60fps and all 3 offer gameplay far superior to HS, but i guess sony needed a game that was technically "amazing":confused:.

Motorstorm has 2 modes.... 2 freaking modes, single player, and online.
Sure a third mode is available with a download, but come on would it be so hard to have:
career
arcade
knockout
time attack
online
and then some motorstorm centric modes like:
survival (specific number of crashes)
destruction tag ( one player trophy truck, the rest on bikes, or whatever)
etc..
I also find the sense of speed quite lacking unless you nitro a lot. (nitro until you blow up is the funniest imo).

Motorstorm is a lot of fun, but to say its a system mover (good exclusive) or even warrant a 65€ pricetag, hell no

Oh and the thing with lag on gears, must be a local thing, on all the hours a logged online with gears, i've never had a case of noticable lag.

And what "added" features for sigma?
shooting a bow in midair, and those dumb dual swords?
all the weapons ninja gaiden already had were enough, most of the time i wouldn't even use anything other then the dragon sword or kitetsu.
All the other weapons were just needed against certain things, like flails for ghost fish, the dual swords failed at even looking cool, meh.
or do you mean the tacked on shaking the sixaxis to make ninpo stronger? ugh.
Or do you mean the feature that the game is actually easier now? sigma is such a cakewalk.
I also favor ng1hp2 over black, since the mission mode is simply terrible.

and again:

The day MGS 4 is released...... shall be the day I take a PS3 home.

QFT.




...
thus a port for Eternal Sonata was excellent for me.
...


that was not even my point, my point was you listed eternal sonata as x360/ps3.
while the game is still a timed exclusive for x360.
You went as far as marking every exclusive title in that list correctly, and even list makai wars as future unsure, yet ES is listed as being available on both platforms.
This is not the case, hence my fanboyism comment.

[animus]

Been planning to get a 360, though I'm a big Sony fanboy since the have exclusives like MGS4 and Final Fantasy 13 and 13 versus, whose series I'm huge fans of. However, the 360 is just packing so much more. Good established games, RPG's coming out here and there like Bioshock, Mass Effect, Eternal Sonata, others like Too Human.

I'm gonna come upon 300 or 350 soon. I'm really tempted to buy a 360 as soon as it's out, due to it being cheaper, have already good games and good games upcoming along with the ability to flash it. However, the X-factor series of PS3 that I mentioned earlier, are pulling me towards PS3, though there's no way to mod it yet.

I'm really kinda torn, should I buy a 360 as soon as I get the money, or should I wait whoever knows how long until I make another lump sum to purchase a PS3? >_<

[darkshadow]

...MGS4 and Final Fantasy 13 and 13 versus, whose series I'm huge fans of. .............. or should I wait whoever knows how long until I make another lump sum to purchase a PS3? >_<

mgs4 and ff13 won't be out for months, so you can make the money while you wait on release?
It's not like the games are out now anyway.

[animus]

Well thing is, I don't have a job right now which I forgot to mention. The reason I'm getting the $300 or so soon is for the sale of a certain account heh.

[darkshadow]

heh, well i dunno, if you really want to play those games, just wait, and hope you stumble on some money or get a job or whatever.
You already have 300 now, making another 300 should be easier then making 660 when mgs4 finally launches.

[Aeon]

They aren't, GOOD exclusives are games that make people buy the console, for just that game, system movers, HS and motorstorm def aren't that.

So then what great exclusives does the 360 have that are system movers outside of Gears? As good as Bioshock is, it didn't move any systems. Lost Planet had laughable AI and Dead Rising well it's just that Dead Rising. And none of those games you mentioned without frame rate problems have the amount of characters on screen that Heavenly Sword does. Out of the games you mentioned I believe the max was something around 10. While Heavenly Sword has upwords to 100's on the screen at once.

Motorstorm has 2 modes.... 2 freaking modes, single player, and online.
Sure a third mode is available with a download, but come on would it be so hard to have:
career
arcade
knockout
time attack
online
and then some motorstorm centric modes like:
survival (specific number of crashes)
destruction tag ( one player trophy truck, the rest on bikes, or whatever)
etc..
I also find the sense of speed quite lacking unless you nitro a lot. (nitro until you blow up is the funniest imo).

Motorstorm is a lot of fun, but to say its a system mover (good exclusive) or even warrant a 65€ pricetag, hell no

Motorstorm actually has 4 modes, Single player takes care of Career and Arcade since you advance through the tickets as well as having the option to simply do a race. Time attack yea that was added and so was Elimination. Motorstorm does an excellent job at balencing all the different cars/bikes/trucks so that no one class is simply outdone by the others. If Motion Blur makes you think you are going fast then again to each their own. I find it funny that just because a game doesn't make you want the system you say its not a system mover good exclusive :lol


Oh and the thing with lag on gears, must be a local thing, on all the hours a logged online with gears, i've never had a case of noticable lag.
You're right lag doesn't exist in Gears, I wouldn't wanna get banned from TeamXBox or Epic forums for mentioning it.

And what "added" features for sigma?
shooting a bow in midair, and those dumb dual swords?
all the weapons ninja gaiden already had were enough, most of the time i wouldn't even use anything other then the dragon sword or kitetsu.
All the other weapons were just needed against certain things, like flails for ghost fish, the dual swords failed at even looking cool, meh.
or do you mean the tacked on shaking the sixaxis to make ninpo stronger? ugh.
Or do you mean the feature that the game is actually easier now? sigma is such a cakewalk.
I also favor ng1hp2 over black, since the mission mode is simply terrible.
Haha yup great job at doing what I said you were doing and that's simply downplaying all the things that makes Sigma unique. I guess the swords will be dumb when they show up in Ninja Gaiden 2? Or will they only be dumb when they're in Sigma 2? Sigma isn't easy for first time players, sure I played it on Xbox but I actually like the PS3 version better and no I don't shake the controller around.

[RyougaZell]

Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep - PSP
Kingdom Hearts 358/2 - DS
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3162989
http://khinsider.com/

Dual Shock 3 - PS3 Rumble Controller
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3162997

[LaZie]

Still no actual Kingdom Hearts sequel :(

[RyougaZell]

Well.. personally Im quite interested in this PSP and NDS games...
the PSP one allows you to use Tera (the knight from the secret ending) and he seems to fight the original Xehanort (the old guy from the secret ending)

The NDS game gives you control of Organization XIII... and initially they say you'll get to play as Roxas, Axel, Saix and Xigbar.

There is a 3rd KH game... but for cellphones so bleh...

[Psyke]

The day MGS 4 is released...... shall be the day I take a PS3 home.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5680/dscf5869bh8.jpg

:cool:

[RedX1z]

That's most certainly a beautiful sight, so, how are you enjoying it?

[Psyke]

Just took a break from 4 hours of MGS4. Guess there isn't gonna be any sleep for me tonight. :p

[Buffalobiian]

I've got two deals here. Might not go with either of them, since I haven't looked deep, but chances are good. For practically the same price, I could get a PS3 40GB bundled with GTA: 4 (+$1) or MGS4 (+$0).

Really though, damn Sony for only releasing 80GB PS3 to NTSC regions. :mad:

[animus]

Damn I've been wanting to get that package for awhile, but I'm so broke. Hopefully it's not that limited and I'll eventually be able to get it when I get the cash.

[python862]

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5680/dscf5869bh8.jpg

:cool:
I want to bash my head against the table now. Thanks. LOL!

[itadakimasu]

Grrr... i was going to post in the bitching thread... I couldn't find the ps3 anywhere online and I didn't want to go try waiting at midnight @ bestbuy last night. I bit the bullet and bought it for $500 + 40 tax + 10 shipping from walmarts website.

everybody else its unavailable. newegg,bestbuy,circuitcity,amazon. Gamestop didn't even have the system package on their site yet.

anyhow, buffalo... nm you're in australia? walmarts site has $100 gift cards w\ alot of the ps3 systems but not the MGS4 edition.


LOLZ : I checked amazon again and they had it @ 499 so i added to cart but then when i went to checkout I had something I"d been looking at weeks ago in my cart and in the time it took me to remove that and change my shipping address it was no longer available at 499... i was going to buy it becaus amazon = free next day delivery + no $40 tax and just sell the walmart one :(

[Sandldan]

Got a copy of mgs4 yesterday, i know a retailer who called me as soon as they got it shipped to the store :D

Im 19 hours in the game, been a long time since i've been this immersed in a game. Best and easiest way to describe it is "Epic"

Here's a few screens from another forum
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_3810.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_3836.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_3809.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_3846.jpg

[darkshadow]

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5680/dscf5869bh8.jpg

:cool:

heh nice, i was gonna get it too today, but suprisingly ps3's were sold out, and wont be in till the 24th, so ill have to wait 2 more weeks, meh.

[NM]

Got a copy of mgs4 yesterday, i know a retailer who called me as soon as they got it shipped to the store :D

Im 19 hours in the game, been a long time since i've been this immersed in a game. Best and easiest way to describe it is "Epic"

I'm not that far into the game yet but indeed, Epic is the only way to describe MGS4. I hope all you guys manage to get your PS3's. We should get some Metal Gear Online action going on soon!

[Buffalobiian]

Grrr... i was going to post in the bitching thread... I couldn't find the ps3 anywhere online and I didn't want to go try waiting at midnight @ bestbuy last night. I bit the bullet and bought it for $500 + 40 tax + 10 shipping from walmarts website.

everybody else its unavailable. newegg,bestbuy,circuitcity,amazon. Gamestop didn't even have the system package on their site yet.

anyhow, buffalo... nm you're in australia? walmarts site has $100 gift cards w\ alot of the ps3 systems but not the MGS4 edition.


LOLZ : I checked amazon again and they had it @ 499 so i added to cart but then when i went to checkout I had something I"d been looking at weeks ago in my cart and in the time it took me to remove that and change my shipping address it was no longer available at 499... i was going to buy it becaus amazon = free next day delivery + no $40 tax and just sell the walmart one :(

Yeah, I'm in Australia. We've still got some here I'm pretty sure, but they're pretty low on stock. I'd better hurry if I want to get one.

[itadakimasu]

Ok. Time to get this thread back on track. The 360 and PS3 are current Gen consoles...

Seeing now myself how great the PS3 is, what is next? How can they possibly improve on this?

[darkshadow]

Back on track? this thread was created for the "next-gen consoles" a term only used so far for the 360, ps3 and wii.
Plus the topic creator obviously had these consoles in mind, so even though its "current-gen" now, the subject of the thread is still 360, ps3 and wii.
So random speculation about what the successors to these consoles would be like, would actually be derailing the topic.

But if you really want an answer, I mean wth, do you think technology has reached a limit? It would simply be more advancements in the control interfaces and ofcourse upgraded gfx once again.

Everything has pretty much been done already, and can only be brought back bigger and better, cept for ofcourse control interface, which still has plenty of room for inovation.

[Buffalobiian]

The next generation console should be developed after further advances in the technology they utilize. Examples would be TV/visual (better than 1080p) and media formats(thing to succeed Blu-ray).

If you used the Sony Playstation's development as an example:

Playstation: made for CDs

Playstaion 2: made for DVDs

Playstation 3: made for Blu-Ray Discs

Playstaion 4?: made for ????

[Carnage]

I'm still waiting for a system that is good enough to distract me from watching porn.

[python862]

I doubt that's happening anytime soon. Go back to your porn.

[animus]

Sigh, my 360 just red ringed of deathed on me. I almost had it for a year and hardly play it. But man, it's been flashed and everything, which is why I don't want to send it back to Microsoft. I could've have someone try and fix it but that's like 70-80, oof.

[Death BOO Z]

I'm still waiting for a system that is good enough to distract me from watching porn.

girlfriend, marrige, wife > kids, work > hell on earth.

you better stick to porn.

[Animeniax]

The next next gen should have better graphics, be even more geared towards being the primary entertainment unit in your living/game room, and improve load times. The slow load times for games is what kills it for me. PS2 games load faster than Xbox360 games. They should upgrade the harddrives for spindle speed and capacity.

They could also have better upgrade paths with aftermarket parts, since consoles are basically low-end PCs.

[Assertn]

next next gen =
1) higher def
2) smarter blood spray particle effects
3) bigger breasts
4) even more def
5) fuck yeah

[Buffalobiian]

This isn't so much as next gen. More a new version of a current gen.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20061229091844.html

Apparently, Sony wants to market a new version of the PS3 as a multimedia machine with gaming ability rather than a gaming machine with multimedia ability. I heard about this today from a shop attendant. I would seriously consider that if:

a) I knew when it'd come out, and
b) I didn't place a deposit already.

It would be really awesome if it can play things packed in mkv.

[darkshadow]

soooo... its basically a Psx2 ..... *sigh*

[David75]

This isn't so much as next gen. More a new version of a current gen.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20061229091844.html

Apparently, Sony wants to market a new version of the PS3 as a multimedia machine with gaming ability rather than a gaming machine with multimedia ability. I heard about this today from a shop attendant. I would seriously consider that if:

a) I knew when it'd come out, and
b) I didn't place a deposit already.

It would be really awesome if it can play things packed in mkv.
Well for 1700-2500US$ you can build yourself a hell of a noiseless HTPC that handles games too...

But I guess that Sony is on a slope were they aim at more and more technical geeky features. So you'd think it's only normal they think they want to propose this.

But Nintendo showed this is not the only possible way, and many customers seem to agree.

[DB_Hunter]

Ok people after all is said, what console should I get: XBox 360 or PS3?

[Animeniax]

Get the X360 if you're a gamer, especially if you like online multiplayer. Get the PS3 if you dabble in console games and want to watch blu-ray movies. I've heard blu-ray movies have this depth of view effect that can cause headaches after watching for a short time.

[DB_Hunter]

I would tend to agree with you that Xbox is what a gamer should get, but I am also looking for a blue ray player. Now if I could get the 360 with games, pads and blue ray player for the same price as a ps3 with games and pads then I might consider it.

I know people say the PS3 is the console of the future, but I can't say I'm conviced because I havn't seen a clutch of good exclusive games that would make me think, hang on, I need a PS3. So for now it seems XBox is the winner due to its bigger library of games.

[animus]

Or get both like I did, unless you're under a budget.

But honestly when it comes to upcoming exclusives atleast, sounds like PS3 is winning out. Only ones the 360 has upcoming that I might be excited about is what, Star Ocean 4, and uh, Gears of War 3 in maybe 2 years?

Off the top of my head PS3 has God of War 3, the new ICO project and White Knight Chronicles.

[Abdula]

But honestly when it comes to upcoming exclusives atleast, sounds like PS3 is winning out.
Don't they say that every year?

DB Hunter I would get the 360, because it sounds to me like you're gonna buy a PS3 just to have a blue ray player and I don't see the point in that.

[Ryllharu]

There are pretty much an even number of exclusives on either console (around 100), both a broad spectrum of both shovelware and big name titles, of all genres. So games don't really matter. You'll find what you want on either console, whatever you may play.

It really comes down to what you are going to do with the console. Do you want to play socially? Get a 360. The huge firmware update (NXE) makes it far and away better for this application. Home will only be able to bring the PS3 up to where the 360 used to be but with a much nicer interface, should it ever actually come out. Sure, you are paying for it, but the stable, centralized and unified service is well worth the cost.

Want to play media with it? Get a PS3. Hands down the PS3 blows the 360 out of the water with expandibility. Sony's official stance is put a bigger hard drive in. They want you to load it with music and video, while enjoying easily the best Blu-Ray player on the market (solely because you can update the firmware when Sony releases it). It is more or less the same story as with the PS2. That was the first DVD player for a whole lot of people. The current level of updates on the PS3 make it a damn good media player.

So, get what console suits your needs the best. Are you going to play and interact with lots of others? Or use it as a media center?


NOTE:
Of course, if you live outside the US, you might want to rethink the 360. A lot of the media-related services that it does have (Netflix, TV and movie downloads) are not as available.

[DB_Hunter]

I guess it does come down to what I want. I kind of feel that the XBox controller is inferior to the PS one, however I appreciate XBox's depth in titles. I like the fact that the PS3 is a blue ray player, but then again I don't want it for music and shit.

I am contrained by budget unfortunatley, as I am also going to buy a full HD TV and a home cinema kit at the same time as the console. This also makes me think that if I am going to shell out so much on a 1080p HD TV, should I not do it justice by getting a blue ray player also?

I also like the fact that XBox has a good online service and I believe in the idea that you get what you pay for. If the PS3 has a free online community then it is likely to be shit in some way e.g stability etc.

I don't know, I guess I'm just confused :S

[Ryllharu]

Full Disclousure: While I wrote the last post as neutrally as I could, I do own a 360. Bear that in mind given the following, less-neutral comments:
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Personally I've found the 360's controller to be much more ergonomic than the now decade-old design of the Dual Shock. While the Dual Shock gets bonus points for familiarity, it just doesn't cut it anymore. The 360's controller was completely redesigned, despite how much it looks like the old xbox S-controller.

I also played my 360 on a SD television only until recently. While the HD is now wonderful (and I'm not sure I can go back anymore) the 360 looked pretty damn good with component or even an S-Video cable. I have heard the PS3 does not do as well on SD, but without having used one outside a Walmart or BestBuy, I cannot verify this information.

Upscaled DVD looks pretty damn good on an HDTV, and with either a VGA or HDMI cable, the Xbox 360 will upscale. It also has optical audio out, just like the PS2 had back in the day. The newer, higher-end versions of the 360s come with an HDMI port.

The 360 only supports up to 720p with its digital rental service (possibly only available in the US, and not Netflix, which is dependent on your connection). The PS3 on the other hand, is a full blown optical media HD player.

[animus]

Actually PSN is actually much more stable, surprisingly even though it's free. Even the first party big titles like Resistance 2 have dedicated servers thus making 30 v 30 epic and utterly lag free, something even Live doesn't provide. Though there're more people on Live, but that's not to say it's really a good thing.

I'll admit I play on Live more and get multiplatforms on the 360 simply on the fact that the more people who have the service -> the more people to play against -> less wait times. Though what I've noticed that with those greater amounts of people there're MUCH, MUCH more 12 year olds yelling nigger, fuck, gay, etc.

But in terms of options and capability comparisons, the PS3 blows the 360 out of the water. My MGS4 bundle 80gb PS3 is packed with features. 4 USB slots, a MiniSD slot, Pro Duo Slot, CF, Blu-Ray player, web browsing, firmware built-in flash player (ie you can watch Youtube on your PS3), etc.

My cousin's friend has a 360 only, and the only reason he got it surprisingly over PS3 was because it's flashable (playing backup games). I love my 360, but honestly I love my PS3 more. Too bad Sony is quite behind in the race. It's also sad that the 360 has more next-gen JRPGs, and RPGs in general than the PS3 at the moment.

On the subject of controllers, the 360 actually wins this section hands down. I grew up with the Dualshock as a kid, but it's just way too small in my hands now. The 360 controller whose archetype is built around Dreamcast's controller is much more comfortable, the triggers don't suck (Dualshock's L2 and R2 suck the fat one), the position of the analog sticks is ideal (Dualshocks analog stick positioning is uncomfortable), it's bigger, and curves in your hand much more comfortably.

[RyougaZell]

On the matter of PS3 on SD. Until recently I played like that... and it was painful. Mainly because the games I had did not have text with enough font size. Namely MGS4 and Disgaea 3.

Pain on the other hand, from PSN, was absolutely fun.

Now that I have an HDTV I don't care anymore... both games look amazing, and I don't think I'll be able to play on SD again... oww... I got spoiled.

I got PS3 because of many upcoming titles like White Knight Chronicles or the just released Valkyria Chornicles.

I may end up getting an Xbox360 next year though... if Star Ocean 4 remains exclusive. If Square sends it to the PS3 I won't get one though.

Its hard to mantain a PS3, NDS, PS2 (yes... PS2... with games like Eternal Poison, Persona 4, Ar Tonelico 2, Kingdom Hearts Chains of Memories), PSP and Wii at the same time... so I hope I wont end up getting the Xbox360.

[animus]

Is your PS3 BC?

I don't have a Wii but at this rate I feel like selling my DS and PSP to get one. There's really no games I really want to play on either handheld besides the Kingdom Hearts games, and the new Suikoden game on the DS.

[RyougaZell]

I have the Metal Gear Bundle. So just emulation. Better than nothing I guess.

I have your problem but the other way around animus. There is nothing that I want for the Wii.

But for the PSP Im waiting for Star Ocean (arrives next week with the guy I buy my games), Star Ocean 2, Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep and Final Fantasy Dissidia. Oh yeah... also Final Fantasy Agito XIII and maybe Parasite Eve 3.

For the DS Im getting Dragon Quest IV this weekend, and then waiting for Dragon Quest V, Dragon Quest IX, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days and the new Valkyrie Profile.

[animus]

Yeah, I kinda just want a Wii to play 2 generations of games I've missed out on. I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the N64 days.

I forgot about Dissida for the PSP, and I already finished the Star Ocean english patched on an SNES emulator years back, and same with SO2.

I've never really been a big Dragon Quest fan, but IX does look ok, and unsure how the new VP plays.

[Ryllharu]

Don't bother with a Wii if you are thinking of getting a 360 or a PS3 (which means you likely fall into the "core gamer" category). I haven't turned mine on in months, and the time before that was months too. There really are not that many good games (I have most of the good ones), and quite frankly, when the gesturing gets old, there's nothing to make up for it, because the majority of the actually good games are just too shallow gameplay wise, character wise, and story wise.

It is family friendly and great when you have friends over, but there really isn't anything good for it.

Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki, Mario Galaxy, one version or another of Tiger Woods Golf, Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wario Ware Smooth Moves and Super Smash Brothers Brawl.
For wiiware and classic: Samurai Showdown 1&2, the Final Fantasy sim-city clone, Gunstar Heroes, Puyo Puyo 2, and Zelda: A Link to the Past.

I bought World of Goo through Steam on the PC instead

You are far better off with your DS. It has a much larger library, and a lot of the games have more playability than the games on the Wii.

[animus]

Well, I own both PS3 and 360 already. Since the Wii is BC, it just gives me access to 2 libraries I've never even touched. I had a PS2 from the beginning of it's lifecycle and it's hooked up to my mini-tv now. I remember the first game I played on it, The Bouncer by Square. Not much people know about it. Besides I kinda want a Wii just for the sake of having tbh. Practically everyone has one nowadays.

[RyougaZell]

LOL... I bought a Wii just to play the Game Cube Resident Evils... I bought them the same day I got the Wii. Afterwards I re-bought RE4, because the Wii version is the ultimate one. Also got Umbrella Chronicles, kinda meh. After that I got Mario Galaxy and One Piece Unlimited Adventure. Thats just about it.

I hope the new Bleach Wii Game gets localized. It has plenty of the current Arrancars...


About star ocean... I had the translated rom, but never played it. And the PSP version is a total remake, with SO2 style. I want the SO2 PSP version because of the new cutscenes, better anime profiles and the voiceover.

If Im a sucker for a series... it would be Star Ocean and .hack.

[DB_Hunter]

Well the Wii issue opens for me as well simply because of the library of games it has, not because of its current games. I also havn't had a Nintendo console since the N64 days, and I know that the flagship Mario games for every new console are good. Plus, a lot of people thought this game wasn't that great but me and my brothers spent so many hours playing Starfox 64/Lylat Wars in battle mode and thought it was great.

But priority for me is a hardcore gamers machine. Ideally, in the next round Nintendo will come back hard with a good gamers machine combined with their traditionally strong Mario/Zelda/Donkey Kong etc lineups and stop me from agonizing like I am right now!

[Turkish-S]

my thread pwnzzz...

[Buffalobiian]

About the controllers, I think the PS3 design (like the others) is possibly the best button masher design I've played on. The flat buttons and their even placement on the right-side pad beats the 360's a-b-x-y set outright. Also, the 360's d-pad sucks, and really, the only time you'll need d-pads these days would be for fighting games, where control of ->, ->, O,O,^,X is necessary.

On the other hand, the 360 design is more ergonomic, and the mov't stick placements + trigger makes it much more enjoyable on shooters and many other games.

[darkshadow]

I can do ->, ->, B,B,^,A just fine on a 360 controller, and the xbox controller before it, ppl should stop bitching about it and just adapt.

[Ryllharu]

I have issues with the 360 d-pad, I will admit. I tended to get an 'up' component in all of my directional commands. My friend on the other hand, tended to get a 'down' component the same way. It is from pressing on the d-pad hard enough to make it run into the surrounding ring of plastic, the direction depending on how you hold the controller.

You can compensate for it, but it is hard to do when you start getting into it and forget to concentrate. However, I did go through with the hardware hack on a wired controller. I sanded out probably 50% of the material around the ring that surrounds it, mostly eliminating the problem. I can do Dizzy's Gamma Ray 7/10 times in Guilty Gear XX. It used to be 1/10.


But any hardcore fighting game fans probably have an arcade stick anyway. (And yes, I will be looking for a good one when King of Fighters XII comes out.)

[darkshadow]

This would prolly be the perfect controller:
http://benheck.com/11-29-2008/ps360-controller-from-dual-shock-3#more-453

[Psyke]

A new Metal Gear game teaser is up on the Konami site (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/mgst/?ref=kjp_eng). System wise, people are speculating either iphone or 360, based on the symbols used....

[animus]

No Hideo Kojima to lead it, so I'm skeptical. It's sad that, if Konami had more hits out besides MGS and Castlevania, they probably wouldn't need to make a sequel to an already great ending.

I just hope they don't destroy the series.

[Sandldan]

No Hideo Kojima to lead it, so I'm skeptical. It's sad that, if Konami had more hits out besides MGS and Castlevania, they probably wouldn't need to make a sequel to an already great ending.

I just hope they don't destroy the series.

There's been a few articles stating that Hideo Kojima wont be a part of the next MGS game, but he does state otherwise in more recent interviews. He does say that he would like to move on to other projects but also says he already has numerous of concepts for MGS5 thought out,

[RyougaZell]

I haven't played it, but I read those same symbols appeared on Metal Gear Acid, and on the same color.

Seriously... speculating a game is on the xbox based on the color. I LOLed.

[darkshadow]

the green power icon is extensively used for 360, but the other icons do relate to metal gear acid. Oh and MGS5 is already in concepting phase, Hideo isn't part of it (yet).

[Stitch]

MGS on Xbox 360 would suck. It would waste all of Kojima Productions' research and development on Cell. One would think that the success of MGS4 would give them every incentive to optimize their PS3 engine and place themselves in an even better position than Capcom for the future, since parallel programming will be the only way to advance and fulfill Kojima's visions.

[Buffalobiian]

Wii Sports takes over Mario Smash Bros as best selling game ever.

http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/wii-sports-is-best-selling-game-ever/1276855

Well, I didn't see that coming. I always thought the Wii hype was overrated. Guess I was the one underestimating.

[Marik]

Wow, that's a damn shame. A classic game like Mario Bros. being passed by the likes of Wii Sports, makes me sad inside.

[Ryllharu]

Though...it helps when you take things in context.

Both Wii Sports and Super Mario Brothers are bundled with the respective consoles (Wii and NES). The Wii is targetted at a much larger market than the children (future gamers) and gamers of the later half of the 80s. Not to mention the much larger population today that can afford a console. The NES would cost $400 (USD) in today's currency. Nintendo went after the casual market, had the cheapest console for two years, and they hit the jackpot.

This only means that more Wiis have been purchased than NESs.

Imagine this if PS2s were bundled with a game.

[RyougaZell]

Something I like about those supposed numbers is that out of the 7.5 million Wii sold on Japan barely 3million own Wii Sports.

What would have happened if it wasn't bundled in the rest of the planet?

[Animeniax]

No Nvidia chips in the next generation of consoles due out in 2012:

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/136453,intel-beats-nvidia-to-the-ps4-gpu.aspx

[darkshadow]

Awesome, no backward compatibility in the ps4 either! Just what I wanted.

[Killa-Eyez]

Just to throw it out there, yesterday evening (Tuesday 17th, 22.00 PM West European time) Hideo was playing MGO on European servers. A friend o' mine lost once and defeated him twice. Hideo was playing as Snake.

[Buffalobiian]

XBox 720: Details of the Next Generation Console Revealed (http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/)


Despite reports to the contrary released only weeks ago, details of the XBox 720, the next generation console from Microsoft, have now been revealed. Said to include a built in Kinect, Blu-Ray player and two GPUs, the console has been confirmed for release around Christmas 2013. Unfortunately, it seems it will also require always-on connection to the internet as protection against piracy.

[Shadow Skill]

Always on? That's the lamest excuse ever.

MS might as well do away with the console and just sell PCs.

Looks like Nintendo will win the next gen again.

[darkshadow]

Sounds incredibly fake/april foolish.
(hint, no other site has reported any such thing).

[Ryllharu]

I agree, but wouldn't be totally surprised if some of these were true.

On the one hand (or, this article was written by retards for adclicks):
- MS would be stupid to call it the 720. The only reason the xbox360 is "360" is because people are dumb, and gee, a PS3 sure does sound like it is superior to an xbox2, don't it? An Xbox360 sounds like it must be as good. MS can't skip to the 'xbox4,' but that doesn't mean they're going to take the next iteration on the XGames Naming Scheme.

- Bluray? Maybe. But if they were smarter they'd dust off hardware manufacturing lines for HD-DVDs. Can't burn pirated games with those, can you?

- Always-on? No console manufacturer is that stupid. Yes, the likelihood of users having a connection is very high. Yes, the makers of these consoles want them used as media centers, to sell content. But Steam doesn't have to work that way, and it is the golden child of digital distribution. If anything, games will require a connection to authorize them the first time they are launched (or more likely, installed).

On the other (or, but it makes some good guesses):
- Kinect is going to come with it. MS has invested too much into it, and now that it's available on the PC as well, they're going for it. If they can get it to work well enough, we might finally see a third input device on computers. It's not like MS owns the hardware patents either...just the software that makes it actually function reasonably.

- Bluray makes sense. MS has long been calling the Xbox platform a media hub, and they succeeded at it better than Sony did because current usage stats show that the xbox360 is more used for netflix, zune, espn and the like than it is for games. If they put in bluray, you have a single convergent device that puts it right in competition with cable providers and their DVR cable boxes.

- Games have already been shifting to the same direction PC games went. License Keys. They're just called "Online Passes." License Keys all but killed the PC used games market, and publishers definitely want more income that Gamestop has long been abusing customers for.

[LaZie]

(edit: Continued from this post (http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php/10345-Game-What-game-are-you-currently-playing?p=532805&viewfull=1#post532805).)


I pre-ordered a copy of Dragon's Crown for the PS3 simply for the art book...I figured if I waited to pick up a used copy I would have missed out on it, plus Atlus has a reputation for limited production runs. I bought it mostly on how much I loved Muramasa for the Wii...now all I need is a PS3 to actually play it.


There was a 250GB Sports Champion Move Bundle available just a few days ago for $230 on eBay. The listing expired though.

[fahoumh]

Thanks for the head's up, dude. I'm actually eying a 500GB God of War Bundle for $269 at Best Buy.

[Buffalobiian]

If you're not looking to play the game straight away (and planned on getting a PS4), you can play the game via Sony's whateveritscalled-streaming Gaikai service right?

edit: hmm, seems its details are pretty unclear at the moment. Might as well get a PS3 when it's cheap then.. that sounds like the smarter idea (provided you have the cash).

[fahoumh]

Thanks for the info but I'm not going to buy a PS4 when it comes out because I don't care to always have the latest thing and I'm too damned cheap, LOL. I've been deliberately keeping myself behind the curve when it comes to gaming so I can pick up games used for less than 1/3 of their new price; 2 years ago I picked up a refurbished Xbox 360 when I worked at Futureshop for $200 with a 3 year in-house warranty. When I was younger I used to always be on the up and up with the latest in gaming but I got tired of keeping up and dropping all that money.

[Animeniax]

I'm just like that, I hate paying full price for games and will wait two or three months for a game to drop to $35-40 on sale before buying it. I feel bad when someone buys me a video game as a gift and I know they paid full price for it. I won't buy used hardware but with that warranty and a company that won't go out of business in a few months, it might be worth the risk.

Does anyone know the starting price point for Xbox1/PS4 games?

[Ryllharu]

Does anyone know the starting price point for Xbox1/PS4 games?
A historic low adjusted for inflation, but one that entitled shitbag gamers will bitch about for another decade.

PS4 games have been confirmed to be in the range of $0.99 (minis no doubt) to a maximum of $60, so expect Xbox One to follow suit.

[Buffalobiian]

A historic low adjusted for inflation, but one that entitled shitbag gamers will bitch about for another decade.

PS4 games have been confirmed to be in the range of $0.99 (minis no doubt) to a maximum of $60, so expect Xbox One to follow suit.

Numerically speaking (without adjusting for inflation), how does that compare to fresh PS3 game prices in the US? That's probably my best bet for estimating AUD prices.

[Animeniax]

A historic low adjusted for inflation, but one that entitled shitbag gamers will bitch about for another decade.

PS4 games have been confirmed to be in the range of $0.99 (minis no doubt) to a maximum of $60, so expect Xbox One to follow suit.

That's kind of surprising. I think the game makers could easily charge $65-70 for the big name games on the new systems and people would buy them. I ask because I saw a Gamestop deal where if you buy current gen games now, you can pay $9.99 for the next gen version of the same game when those systems come out. So I thought the prices were going to start at $70 for new games.

@Buff: Current new PS3 games cost $59.99, same as X360 games. PC games happily start at $49.99.

[Ryllharu]

That's more because Gamestop will turn around and sell it for $45. Nothing like making money off a game twice.

It's also only applicable to three games (Call of Duty: Ghosts, Madden 25, and Assassin's Creed 4). Also:

"To take advantage of this offer, you'll need to be a PowerUp Rewards member and purchase the current-gen version at GameStop within 30 days of release. After purchase, a coupon for $50 trade-in credit towards the Xbox One version will be e-mailed to the account. The coupon expires on December 31, meaning you'll need to find and buy a next-gen system by the end of the year."

They're banking on people not being able to find next gen consoles by the end of the year. January customers with an interest in those three games will find themselves buying a new copy for their new console.


Numerically speaking (without adjusting for inflation), how does that compare to fresh PS3 game prices in the US? That's probably my best bet for estimating AUD prices.

New PS3 (and 360) titles are $60. Expect 90AUD games, as before.

[Dark Dragon]

A historic low adjusted for inflation, but one that entitled shitbag gamers will bitch about for another decade.

PS4 games have been confirmed to be in the range of $0.99 (minis no doubt) to a maximum of $60, so expect Xbox One to follow suit.

That's a really really lazy criticism. The market isn't as simple as "oh look at inflation to determine value". There's also many other factors, one big one is after tax income for average household.

This article (http://www.cbo.gov/publication/42537) show that the growth of income is much lower than the rate of inflation. The end result is that while just looking at inflation it looks like the prices are all lower, while in reality it's actually a larger portion of available income for the customers.

There's also issue like game studios expecting ridiculous sale numbers in order to even turn a profit. This is a complicated problem that can't really be blamed on any one party.

[Ryllharu]

You can't get around the simple facts.

1) Gamers bitch that games used to cost $50 during the 5th and 6th Generation that they're most familiar with.
2) $60 in 2012 was the same as $40 in 1995
3) SNES games in 1995 US Dollars were anywhere from $45 to $80 (2012: $67 - $120). Chrono Trigger - $80

Games are cheaper than they have EVER been. All your article says is that the 1% are wealthy. No shit. That's why I always use an inflation calculator that is based off CPI.

Quit making up garbage to justify your opinion, which is contrary to facts. Game studios have to make "ridiculous sale numbers" because games have never been sold for cheaper than they are today. Bigger budgets, lower returns per sale, means more sales to break even.

[Buffalobiian]

Games are cheaper than they have EVER been. All your article says is that the 1% are wealthy. No shit. That's why I always use an inflation calculator that is based off CPI.

CPI calculates the inflation of prices of common goods, so it doesn't address the point DDragon made (that the purchasing power of consumers lag behind the increase in price). Whether the second part is true I am not sure. I had a quick look at the article, and it seemed more interested in talking about the distribution of wealth growth.

Was there a part I should be reading, D.Dragon? Or did I have to calculate backwards with the "64%" growth to find the yearly growth? I can't remember if CPI was calculated compoundly, and if not - which year it used as the base year.

[Ryllharu]

The US CPI produced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics includes the price of video games (http://www.bls.gov/data/#prices). They're considered common goods.

[Dark Dragon]

1) I see this from you quite often. Please stop using Ad hominem in your posts, it really weakens your arguments.

2) Please re-read the article if the only thing you got from it was "1% are wealthy". That's far from the main point of it. What it is showing is the rate increase for income is much lower than the rate of inflation. The poorest 60% of the population income is not well adjusted for the rate of inflation.

Lets use the numbers that you have. Most gamer are familiar with the 50$ cost during the PS/GC era.
To put it simply, say you make 200$ in 2001 (Gamecube era) and a game cost 50$, you're spending 25% of what you have. Now to convert that number to 2013, a 50$ game would be around 65~, so yes 60$ is in fact cheaper. But since income only grew around 10% in that time, your income is 2013 is around 220$. so a 60$ game is now 27% of your income. For many people, it's a noticeable increase in spending over the course of a year.

So yes, there is a very valid reason as to why people are upset about the price increase even if many do not realize it. Even without knowing exactly why, people tend to notice when a hobby slowly seem to cost more and more.

You can argue that games are indeed still cheaper than the Snes games from 1995 and the 60$ isn't too bad. Keep in mind that there are many people who did not have purchasing power around this time and is unaware of this fact. To them the 50 > 60 price increase really did significantly impact their budget.

FYI, the 60$ price tag doesn't really bother me in particular since i make a comfortable amount. To say that anyone who have a problem with the price increase is an "entitled shitbag" is a rather arrogant and ignorant statement however.

[Ryllharu]

1) I see this from you quite often. Please stop using Ad hominem in your posts, it really weakens your arguments.
Says the individual who started their response by accusing me of "really really lazy" criticism.

Unless you took "entitled shitbag" to refer to yourself, the only ad hominem attacks I see here are from you. The worst I've said is that your arguments about "ridiculous sale numbers" are garbage. That is the impolite way of saying that they are unfounded.

[Dark Dragon]

I don't think that statement is an attack on you. The argument is indeed lazy since it did not takes all the facts into account. It's borderline on fallacy since it tries to create an argument base on bias information.

Your ad hominem comes from you insinuating that i am "making up garbage". It's actually partially my fault since i should really have more data to back up my argument. It's not the first time i've seen you do it though. Regardless, ignore that statement if you want. It's not the main point of the argument.
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Take it as an insult if you want, it's not intended as such.

To clarify, what i am saying is that my argument lack supporting evidence which could lead someone to think that it's "made up", so some of the fault lies with me. You implying that i am "making stuff up" (lying) in order to support my own argument is a personal attack against me. Where my previous statement about your criticism being lazy is pointing fault at the criticism itself but not at you. If you want to believe that i am "playing the victim" then there is nothing i can do about it.

I don't particularly care for attacking another person over the internet since it's pointless. I'd rather you address my argument and clarify your position.

[Ryllharu]

"game studios expecting ridiculous sale numbers in order to even turn a profit," is the epitome of making shit up. Emphasis mine.

Budgets are bigger, games sales have lower returns because they are historically cheaper (their prices do not change with inflation such as with foodstuffs or gasoline), so they need to sell more (in an increasing market) to break even or profit.

"expecting" - statement made up by you, the publishers have sales goals that they may (or may not) discuss at earnings calls, if they are publically traded. Developers (the studios) don't. More often than not, it is analysts setting the goals, then being disappointed by the NPD Group guesses at actual sales (as many publishers don't disclose actual numbers unless they want to brag).

"ridiculous" - perfectly logical sales goals, sales goals set to not go out of business

Consider it addressed.

[Dark Dragon]

Considering that there are many situations like this (http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a468632/tomb-raider-a-sales-flop-despite-shifting-34-million.html). Best selling game of the series, moved over 3.4 million copies, considered a flop.

There's also this (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-03-tim-schafer-needs-more-money-to-finish-broken-age) situation. They raised over 7 times the original amount asked and still needs more money to finish the game. I know that there is passion involve when making video games, but shouldn't some responsibility lies with the studio in how to be more conservative with their budget? It's not like these are isolated cases either, it seems to be a trend for the industry.

There are tons of studios with games that have been in development for 5+ years with tremendous cost that would require massive sales just to break even. Video games studios are still a business first and foremost, i don't think making a reasonable development window and budget estimation is too much to ask.

Edit: Some cost for making games did indeed go down. If you look at any company usually salary for employees makes up for a significant chunk of cost. The data i linked earlier shows that salary has not increased enough to adjust for inflation. While prices for other things might not be cheaper, salary should be a smaller margin than it was before.

The budget for these game did indeed go up, but that also has more to do with these long development windows.

I really should say publishers are the ones with ridiculous sale goals.

[Ryllharu]

How are sales figures calculated when the company doesn't state how many they sold during earnings calls?

- The NPD Group estimates it at retailers. But unless games are given to a retailer on credit (which doesn't happen nearly as much anymore, if at all, after GAME in the UK went into administration/bankruptcy), once they are shipped to a retailer, they're "sold."
Is "shipped" equal sold or does "sold" count as sold?


- Alternatively, for digital games like PSN or XBLA releases...someone checks the Leaderboards and counts how many entries there are. Seriously.

Don't trust any journalist/analyst sales figures unless the publisher directly gave it them.

Square-Enix is trying to restructure to focus on mobile gaming. It's easy for them to say, "we expected to sell an unrealistic number than we did, this will justify our move to get out of AAA titles and focus on cheap to develop, terrible games that the Japanese eat up." Basic shady business practices. Oops, we failed, now approve of our radical change to business strategy.

Tim Schafer is Tim Schafer. This always happens with him. He gets really excited about a title, overscopes it, and stuff gets cut. It's just more transparent with the Kickstarter project. If this isn't an isolated example like you claim, you'll have to find another one because Schafer is a terrible example for the point you're trying to prove.

[Dark Dragon]

This is an article from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/2008/11/21/games-eedar-developers-tech-ebiz-cx_mji_1121eedar.html) citing a research study.

Roughly 20% of the games that reach markets are profitable.

Activision Blizzard met record sales in 2009 and still posted a loss.

It is true that budget has indeed gone up for games, but shouldn't some of the responsibility lies with the developer to reduce development cost? The consumer will purchase what you put out, but having a reasonable estimation of expected sales and adjust an appropriate development budget in order to turn a profit shouldn't be that ridiculous an idea. There are always case of good games meeting poor sales and under perform. However, when only 20% of the games being put out to market can realistically expect see a profit, that's troubling for the industry.

Edit: Metro Last Light was suppose to have been developed at 1/10 of the cost of the other AAA titles, granted they did choose to work under awful condition. I'm not saying to treat game developers like animals, but there must be a happy medium in between and areas where cost could be cut.

[fahoumh]

So I ended up buying a PS3 super slim earlier today. I haven't played anything on it because I was busy all day but I did manage to successfully turn my old wireless router into a DD-WRT wireless bridge client.


I'm just like that, I hate paying full price for games and will wait two or three months for a game to drop to $35-40 on sale before buying it. I feel bad when someone buys me a video game as a gift and I know they paid full price for it. I won't buy used hardware but with that warranty and a company that won't go out of business in a few months, it might be worth the risk.

I typically don't pay full price for anything because I'm an economist (read: cheap, hahaha)


A historic low adjusted for inflation, but one that entitled shitbag gamers will bitch about for another decade.

Are you calling me a "shitbag gamer"? :-S

[Ryllharu]

If you wait for games to drop in price, you're just cheap. Nothing wrong with that. Deliberately keeping yourself, "behind the curve," definitely doesn't make you an entitled shitbag.

At least you're not a member of the PC Master Race masquerading as an entitled shitbag gamer to justify their crazy ideological stance that developers can stay in business by only putting out games on PCs, or that a kb+m are the only input devices ever needed.

[Animeniax]

So I ended up buying a PS3 super slim earlier today. I haven't played anything on it because I was busy all day but I did manage to successfully turn my old wireless router into a DD-WRT wireless bridge client.

I typically don't pay full price for anything because I'm an economist (read: cheap, hahaha)

Cool, what games have you bought to play on the PS3? I recommend Uncharted 3 and The Last of Us for starters.

Even though money isn't an issue, I can't stand to pay full price for them. Ryllharu says it's being cheap, but I prefer the term frugal because it was how I was raised. It's weird since I want to support developers but it still feels like you're getting ripped off when you pay full price.

[Ryllharu]

"Cheap" isn't as derogatory a term as it used to be.

Not really the right thread, but fahoumh...get Dragon's Crown. You won't regret it. Lots and lots of replay value. Worth the price new while there are still tons of people on multiplayer. Not to mention you need to play about 6 hours to even unlock the multiplayer with a given character, so everyone is at least competent before they get online. PS3 version has local multiplayer too!

[fahoumh]

If you wait for games to drop in price, you're just cheap. Nothing wrong with that. Deliberately keeping yourself, "behind the curve," definitely doesn't make you an entitled shitbag.

At least you're not a member of the PC Master Race masquerading as an entitled shitbag gamer to justify their crazy ideological stance that developers can stay in business by only putting out games on PCs, or that a kb+m are the only input devices ever needed.

I am admittedly cheap...I just don't put a $60+ value on most new games; I waited until Batman Arkham City GOTY dropped to $20 brand new before I picked it up. I realize I'm not a desirable customer for developers/publishers but oh well...at least I'm not stealing and playing them on a hacked system.

I never got that far into PC gaming outside of Doom II like 20 years ago.


Cool, what games have you bought to play on the PS3? I recommend Uncharted 3 and The Last of Us for starters.

Even though money isn't an issue, I can't stand to pay full price for them. Ryllharu says it's being cheap, but I prefer the term frugal because it was how I was raised. It's weird since I want to support developers but it still feels like you're getting ripped off when you pay full price.

I got all the God of War games that came with the system bundle, I think there's 6. Plus it came with a copy of NHL 13 which I plan to sell because I don't care for sports games. Last of Us looks pretty good but I still need to see videos of actual gameplay and possibly try it before I commit; if it's anything like Resident Evil I'll pass. I'm kind of on the fence with Uncharted; I hear good things but it reminds me too much of Tomb Raider and I couldn't stand the originals.


"Cheap" isn't as derogatory a term as it used to be.

Not really the right thread, but fahoumh...get Dragon's Crown. You won't regret it. Lots and lots of replay value. Worth the price new while there are still tons of people on multiplayer. Not to mention you need to play about 6 hours to even unlock the multiplayer with a given character, so everyone is at least competent before they get online. PS3 version has local multiplayer too!
Oh, I already got my copy of Dragon's Crown...the 2nd game this year I've bought right when it came out, the first was Bioshock Infinite(Songbird Edition because I'm a Bioshock sucker). The free artbook that came with pre-orders of Dragon's Crown and Atlus' reputation for limited production runs made not wait. I actually got the game before the system.

[Marik]

500gb Playstation 3 Assassin's Creed III bundle is $229.99 on ebay via buy.com.

NEW Sony PS3 500GB Assassins Creed III Bundle (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Sony-PS3-500GB-Assassins-Creed-III-Bundle/400547849752?pt=Video_Games&hash=item5d42832618)

Edit: Nevermind... I see that fahoumh has already purchased a PS3.

[Buffalobiian]

PC games are customizable/modable to extend their play value and graphical awesomeness, and the PC is obviously useful for so many other reasons. Even so, I have an X360 and PS3 for the games that are exclusive to those consoles.

It's true that you can upgrade PCs, but I've also seen that it's really not needed in consoles, since games would naturally scale down for them during their lifespan. Your console probably last about as long as a proper computer.

The PS3 retained 2006/2007 and is being replaced later on this year. My i5-760/HD5870 rig has been with me since around 2009/2010 and I think it's about due for a complete upgrade (as far as cpu/mobo/gfx is concerned) sometime early 2015. The cost of the PS4 is around 500AUD here, and I can't imagine the parts upgrade costing anything less.

The besides the cost here, there's also the cost of running a computer for general use. (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7287/analyzing-the-price-of-mobility-desktops-vs-laptops) My monitor/PC idles at around 110watts, and with my sound system plus light cpu load it usually draws 110-150W of electricity. Using the same sound system on my laptop would draw.. 40W max? Electricity's costing higher and higher these days, so it's definitely something to consider.

Gaming PCs have their places and reasons for existence, and cost is one that seems to be diminishing. Granted, some games are simply horrible to play without a mouse/keyboard..

[Animeniax]

Your current PC is fine to play any current game at good to high settings, so the "need" to upgrade is probably fabricated by a sense of consumerism and materialism. At most you could upgrade your GPU and have a system that lasts another few years.

I like the ability to mod games with graphics packs and skins. Of course this means you need a stronger computer to be able to play the games, and admittedly by the time a lot of packs come out I've already completed the game twice and there's little chance I'll play through them again even with the enhanced visuals.

[Buffalobiian]

Your current PC is fine to play any current game at good to high settings, so the "need" to upgrade is probably fabricated by a sense of consumerism and materialism. At most you could upgrade your GPU and have a system that lasts another few years.

I don't know if you missed it in my post, but I was saying that my system would be due for an upgrade at around late 2014/early 2015.

It puts the PC on roughly the same lifespan as the PS3, but with a higher cost.

[Kraco]

I like the ability to mod games with graphics packs and skins. Of course this means you need a stronger computer to be able to play the games, and admittedly by the time a lot of packs come out I've already completed the game twice and there's little chance I'll play through them again even with the enhanced visuals.

I'm not much of a gamer, but the games I've played extensively have always been highly moddable and modded ones. Like Elder Scrolls, Civilizations, Flashpoint/Armas, some Quake engine based ones. And consequently I have used as much or even much more time modding some of those games than actually playing them. I can't be a game dev like DS, yet I derive much satisfaction from creating content for existing games. Regardless, I have of late been considering getting PS4 at some later point as my first gaming console ever to be able to have a look at some of the Japanese rpgs and action games that I've never much experienced due to their regularly missing PC ports.

[Animeniax]

I don't know if you missed it in my post, but I was saying that my system would be due for an upgrade at around late 2014/early 2015.

It puts the PC on roughly the same lifespan as the PS3, but with a higher cost.

Yeah I missed that part because of your long sentences. Work on that please.


I'm not much of a gamer, but the games I've played extensively have always been highly moddable and modded ones. Like Elder Scrolls, Civilizations, Flashpoint/Armas, some Quake engine based ones. And consequently I have used as much or even much more time modding some of those games than actually playing them. I can't be a game dev like DS, yet I derive much satisfaction from creating content for existing games. Regardless, I have of late been considering getting PS4 at some later point as my first gaming console ever to be able to have a look at some of the Japanese rpgs and action games that I've never much experienced due to their regularly missing PC ports.
Definitely half the fun of some games is modding them, and in some cases the mods were better than the original game (CS, BF Desert Combat). I had a lot of fun modding Skyrim because the mods came out in the midst of my 110 hours of game time. That may seem meager to some but that's a lot of time to me.

[Edort4]

What I save from deals on steam, green gaming, humble, gocdkeys compensates expending even 500$ more on a pc than o console. And that without taking into account modding, multitasking, streaming etc.

[Animeniax]

I miss the days when you could sell your PC games either to EBGames or to other gamers. Recently if there was a choice between console and PC versions, I've bought the console version so I could sell it when I was finished. Now with Steam/Origin/etc it's a scam where you can't sell the game without giving away the account.

One thing I definitely prefer with PC gaming is portability. I can play a game on my home PC and then continue during downtime on the work PC. With cloud storage I don't have to manually move save games.

[Ryllharu]

This thread seems to be the most appropriate.

http://i.imgur.com/Dwm3ae1.jpg

This is Valve's new controller for Steam and SteamOS. Read their announcement page (http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamController/)to get the details on it.

Gamasutra has a good article on what developers who have used it say about it (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/201195/Select_game_developers_used_the_Steam_Controller_H eres_what_they_said.php).




My Thoughts:

At first, I thought they fucked up royally. But I've changed my mind a little after reading more articles and comments.

Apparently, the thing is about the size of a standard Xbox360 controller (the current de facto standard "PC gamepad"). It has the two trackpads, the four face buttons (ABXY), the touchpad (which is broken up into four quadrants for quick access), two shoulder buttons, two shoulder scroll-buttons, and two paddles on the back where your fingertips end up. All fully configurable and stuff. The things they can do with the trackpads alone seems quite strong, enabling run just by moving to the outer ring, or making it swipeable if you move fast across it, etc.

It seems to have the accuracy of the touchpad on the back of the PS Vita (which is really good), with the added benefit of having some pretty unique haptic feedback in it. I'd love to try the trackpads.

But my major problem with it is the face buttons. The placement on X and A in particular isn't great. It's like R3/L3, but you have to remove your thumbs from the movement trackpad to hit them.

I think their only huge mistake was calling them A,B,X, and Y. They're always going to be treated as face buttons, when X and Y are more of a Start/Select. It also might have been better if they moved them above the trackpads, similar to the way X and Y were placed on the gamecube controller above the oversized A button. If they want to leave them where they are, Valve needs to change them to something else, like 1, 2, 3, 4. That's the only way they'll break the conception that those buttons would be used as frequently as the face buttons on a standard layout controller are.


The really good news? N64 Controller users who were cursed into becoming southpaws should feel right at home. Just swap the pads.

[UChessmaster]

What is SteamOS exactly...?

[darkshadow]

Valve's custom ubuntu for their steambox.

[UChessmaster]

And what does it do that Windows can`t?

[Ryllharu]

Make Valve more money directly. It'll be Valve's walled garden.

As much as Gabe has expressed that Windows 8 and the store "threatens" gaming, it's all just a bunch of bullshit. MS has made no effort to push people to buying games through the store that you can't get elsewhere (besides like Skulls of the Shogun, which they published directly, but is on Steam anyway...).

They claim is that SteamOS is faster on certain games, but by marginal levels (2-3% on Valve optimized old titles using specific hardware configurations).

In reality, MS doesn't give a shit where you buy your games so long as you are using Windows. Gabe cares a great deal about losing the near-monopoly Steam has today.