Fate/stay night

[Board of Command]

I don't think I would ever guess Archer's identity in a million years. The thing he recites during Unlimited Blade Works only makes sense if you actually know he's Shirou. I think the main problem is that he's from the future and that's a bit unconventional.

[Ryllharu]

It's really not as bad as you think it is. All the best clues are in eps 14, and they are obvious even without knowing who he was because they make them obvious. They still aren't going to hand the answer to you, but with a little thinking, you can figure it out.

Archer spoke to Ilya as if he knew her. Most importantly, all his references to her were referring to the past. "You haven't changed...".
-This should tip you off that Archer has intimate knowledge of the people currently in the war, since Ilya was unknown to everyone but Rin (and her only through reputation). Past tense it what's really weird, since Ilya is quite young. That's odd enough, but once you know who he is you understand why.

Archer creates his weapons and blades.
-Obvious, and should be unbelievably apparent once Shirou starts creating the same ones.

Most importantly, pay attention to the manner in which Archer speaks to Shiro in episode 14. "You're nothing more than one who creates" This means he's got a very good knowledge of Shirou's ability. At that point, only Rin knew about it, not even Saber. "There's only one thing you can do. Master that one thing! Never forget this. The thing you image is always your strongest form." This tells us one thing. Not only does Archer know about Shirou's ability, he has knowledge of how it works. No one else knows this in the series until much later. The only logical conclusion from there with the other info is that Archer is Shirou. It makes no sense otherwise.

It's really not that bad if you look at all the evidence, whether or not you knew beforehand.

[Board of Command]

Archer spoke to Ilya as if he knew her. Most importantly, all his references to her were referring to the past. "You haven't changed...".
-This should tip you off that Archer has intimate knowledge of the people currently in the war, since Ilya was unknown to everyone but Rin (and her only through reputation). Past tense it what's really weird, since Ilya is quite young. That's odd enough, but once you know who he is you understand why.
That's actually the part that put me on the wrong track. For the longest time I thought Archer was from the past and that Ilya was a reincarnation of someone Archer once knew very well.

[Munsu]

To our knowledge, the Servants may have fought in previous Wars, so that Archer knew Ilya from before doesn't prove anything. Ilya was always a mysterious character, so how Archer knew her could've been explained by several different theories.

Without knowledge of Archer being Shirou, Archer using a variety of weapons doesn't mean that he's creating them. At the time, it seemed like it was simply part of Archer's noble phantasm, him being able to access some shit that stored all his weapon's and he merely had the capability to summon them. And that Shirou uses the same weapon doesn't mean shit. Shirou had been copying weapons he had seen before, like him creating Sabers weapon. He doing so doesn't mean that Saber is Shirou. Mere coincidence.

And going back to Servants having the capability of fighting in different Wars might've explained why Archer has so much knowledge on Shirou's ability. He could've participated in a previous War where there was a Master that used the same type of ability that Shirou is using.

So, to respond to your post, no it's not obvious. Looking back it might seem that way because you know the truth, but without previous knowledge of him being Shirou, there's is no real "obvious" way to say that Archer was Shirou.

[Board of Command]

Without knowledge of Archer being Shirou, Archer using a variety of weapons doesn't mean that he's creating them. At the time, it seemed like it was simply part of Archer's noble phantasm, him being able to access some shit that stored all his weapon's and he merely had the capability to summon them. And that Shirou uses the same weapon doesn't mean shit. Shirou had been copying weapons he had seen before, like him creating Sabers weapon. He doing so doesn't mean that Saber is Shirou. Mere coincidence.
I always thought Shirou copied Archer's weapons because he thought they were powerful, not because he is Archer. He only started imaging those two swords after watching Archer fight using them.

If he had created those two blades by himself before Archer fought Berserker, then that would be considered obvious.

[Divinity]

I always thought Shirou copied Archer's weapons because he thought they were powerful, not because he is Archer. He only started imaging those two swords after watching Archer fight using them.

If he had created those two blades by himself before Archer fought Berserker, then that would be considered obvious.

See that's what i figured too... That he has seen Archer's swords that's why he could image them...

As for the advice that Archer keeps giving Shirou... I figured as well that Archer is just familiar with Shirou's magic and he felt he should help him even though he doesn't want to, but because Rin wanted to.

And again... I'm not convinced Archer is Shirou from just watching the anime... There is no proof... These minor hints here and there aren't enough.

Maybe I'm just slow? But I don't know... It's not very convincing... I guess I'll have to play the game...

[Aeon]

If you guys look at ep 15, the bow that Shirou images is the same bow that Archer used when he said my favorite quote from the show*I am the bone of my sword*. But yea I wouldn't have figured it out without the hints that Archer identity was given and I picked up on the necklace after rewatching the show earlier in the series.

[jing]

I checked, it's not.

[Aeon]

The one that Archer images looks like a bigger version of the one that Shirou images.

[jing]

The handle is also different if you observe carefuly.

I do agree that Archer = Shirou though, because there would be no point at all to hide archer's real name.

[kippykinkel]

oh great, now that i know archer is shirou im gonna have to rewatch all the episodes to pick up on any subtle clue...

in eps 14 archer called ilyasviel "ilya", which surprised her. thats probably a subtle clue.
archer knew that hercules had multiple lives even though, i think, no one told him about his hougu.
i realized that both shirou and archer have the same eyebrows.

i think the biggest reason why people couldnt match archer with shirou is the fact that they have different hair colors. even their eyebrows are different colors, which could mean one of two things. either his hair color changed by magic, or, in the future, shirou dyes both his hair and eyebrows, which would be weird.
im also surprised that archer didnt try to get it on with saber. shirou finally gets a second chance to see her but he doesnt do anything....

I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood.
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unknown to death nor known to life.
My power can break a mountain, and my sword can part a river.
Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet those hands will never hold anything.
So as I pray, Unlimited Bladeworks.

i wonder, do those phrases have any special meaning?

[jing]

I think that... Archer doesn't have the personality of Shirou. You know the "help anyone he sees". It's a pretty important trait of Shirou.

[bagandscalpel]

I think that... Archer doesn't have the personality of Shirou. You know the "help anyone he sees". It's a pretty important trait of Shirou.

Yes, it is.

However, I believe Archer is from the future in which Shirou had his "help anyone he sees" trait tested to the utmost, and wound up defeated. For that reason, he develops this different outlook that he has in his present incarnation.

[RyougaZell]

bagandscalpel
you should read the different scenarios of Fate (the games)... you are guessing correctly.

[cha0z]

Hey guys I'm new here but I was wondering is there more to Fate/Stay Night because I don't want it to end at episodes 24 and Saber dieng...T_T

[Board of Command]

I'm pretty sure there won't be any follow-up stuff.

[Deblas]

Most likely they won't. But I'm still hoping that they do the other two scenarios.

[lambchopsil]

Huu...Final ep from AonE is out!

/me looks at all the "Die" signs...

[Danad_corps]

Damn, just finished this series and i gotta say, it was awesome. I didn't realize who archer was while watching the series. I guess it does make a lot of sense now that I've read most of the comments here and the whole wikipedia article on him. As for it being obvious, a lot of it could have been attributed to coincidence ...###

scratch that i just looked back at how he got his weapons and it should have been apparent (at least a few episodes later that is). He uses the EXACT same method that shiro uses and we know that Servants, nor anyone else we know of, are not supposed to be able to do that. Furthermore, he uses a Reality Marble something which it said only magicians were able to do (none of the Servants were magicians except Caster). His comment to Ilya shows that he has had prior knowledge of her character.

As for archers personality check out the wikipedia article - it explains it completely.

I'd have to say that this had the best ending out of all the anime's that i can recall. Normally there would have been a way for Shiro and Saber to be together which would have been extremely corny. I especially liked how they showed his thoughts at the end where he wanted to be with her but knew that it was ultimately the wrong thing to do. I guess it shows him getting over the selfish quality of his that prevailed throughout the anime of wanting to be with Saber no matter what. This is also evident in the way (his explanation) of how he will deal with her loss. The ending's lyrics make sense when compared to the overall feel of the anime and the mood created by the last few minutes, however, i do not think that the music should have been so cheery. It kinda downplayed and contradicted everything that had happened in that last episode.

I also think that knowing Shiro's future (from wikipedia) made it all the better. Knowing that he would finally realize that his ideal wasn't all the he thought it was (not that I'm being sadistic, but it was an ideal that could only realistically lead to that painful discovery) makes it more realistic and therefore better, even if it is only in my eyes.

[lelouch]

Sorry for bringing up a dead thread, but I just finished this series so I thought I would make a comment =]. I hope this doesn't cause problems.

Ahh I wish I knew archer was shiro in the beginning of the series. Now I am smacking myself in the head saying "Why didn't I notice that!"

Anyways, this was a fantastic series, and I wish they made it longer or had some sequals. I never played the games, but read I wikipedia on how there are different endings and how archer has his own storyline. I think it would be really cool if they made a sequal of how shiro develops into archer, and maybe have the end of the that series be the same as the beginning of the first series, with archer appearing as Rin's servant.

The ending really displays the highest of human selflessness. If I loved someone that much I would definately try a lot harder to convince them to say. I may have even used a command spell to make her stay...

I am also wondering, why is the show called Fate/Stay Night?

Other than that, fantastic anime, fanstastic sound track (downloading the OST right now). =]

[Xelbair]

Bah, servants don't have memory of their past summonings - its explained in game - they are outside cycle of time, and only copies are summoned to world without memory of other copies. This topic was necromanced arleady so don't warn me for it please :]

[Kraco]

Anyone who has played the UBW route of the game knows Archer's story is very morbid and dispirited. Hardly one that would make a very nice anime. The FSN anime doesn't really touch his character deep enough to let you know.

There are lots of people in the audience who hate Shirou, and while I didn't exactly enjoy him as a main character, you have to admit his one-sidedness is actually deeper than great many better developed and more believable ordinary characters. Gross flaws can give enormous potential.

And, Xelbair, this forum has no such necromancy rules. Only useless necromancy is ill tolerated. Otherwise it's the contrary: If a thread exists already, no matter how old, you may not make a new one for the same series.

[Munsu]

I'm also pretty sure that a seperate thread was created to discuss the game... so lets keep those borderline game spoilers in that thread. Don't want them here on the off chance that a sequel for this series is made.

[Xelbair]

Its immposible to make sequel - all routes in game are other storylines and the anime combined them all(which is bad compared to game)... well its possible but that would be based on another game Fate\Hollow Ataraxia.

p.s.
Munsu - i really cant belive in your post counter - over 10k posts in 5 years. Awesome.

[BioAlien]

Oh course it's possible to have a "sequel", they just need to do an alternate retelling.
Such thing is not unusual.
Heck, the non-existent Tsukihime anime would need that too.

[Ryllharu]

If they ever tried to make a Tsukihime anime, I would think it would be a lot harder. Didn't the Tsukihime game have a lot more story paths than the 3 of F/SN? I don't think that Satsuki really got her own storyline, though she is in several other ones. I haven't played it, but I believe that both Hisui and Kohaku had their own separate endings. That's two not including Arcueid and the main heroine, Akiha.

[Board of Command]

Arc, Ciel, Akiha, Hisui, Kohaku for a total of 9 endings.

It's more like two complete storylines. The Arc/Ciel storyline is quite different from the Akiha/Hisui/Kohaku storyline and if they want, they can make an anime purely based on the latter one. IMO, it's not as good as the Arc/Ciel storyline.

[BioAlien]

Well, considering there's a Remake of Tsukihime (Visual Novel) due for 2009 (or 2010? I'm not sure) We can hope a new anime based on that one. And from the current information, it should also have the missing Sacchin route.

[salmonman78]

Only on episode 7 but loving it. So far the story seems thought out, good characterization, can't wait for some of the larger battles.

[Archangel]

Anyone who has played the UBW route of the game knows Archer's story is very morbid and dispirited. Hardly one that would make a very nice anime. The FSN anime doesn't really touch his character deep enough to let you know.

There are lots of people in the audience who hate Shirou, and while I didn't exactly enjoy him as a main character, you have to admit his one-sidedness is actually deeper than great many better developed and more believable ordinary characters. Gross flaws can give enormous potential.

They dislike shirou because they only know his idealistic side, the one that was presented to them in the Fate route and the anime.

I disagree with you, i think a UBW based anime would do very well, not only would it already have a fan base it would present many of the character in a new and, in my opinion, better way. Of all the routes, it's the one that feels more real to me.

The one route that will never be passed to anime will probably be HF, but for different reasons.

[Kraco]

I disagree with you, i think a UBW based anime would do very well, not only would it already have a fan base it would present many of the character in a new and, in my opinion, better way. Of all the routes, it's the one that feels more real to me.


Actually you don't disagree with me. I said "a very nice" in the sense it wouldn't be quite as clean, friendly, and smooth as the Fate route. It would make a good anime, of course, just not a very nice one compared to the existing mostly Fate based one. Kind of grisly. I'd love it, naturally. But who knows, we have shows like Ga-Rei Zero already so the UBW atmosphere wouldn't be anything new in the end.

[KrayZ33]

I am also wondering, why is the show called Fate/Stay Night?



it started with shirou "staying" at school so long and his encounter with Archer and Lancer
then shortly after, he got chosen as a Magus -> Fate

but it has probably more to do with them fighting at night only... absolutely everything happens at night in the anime.

btw, a sequel for Fate/Stay Night wouldn't be impossible... Saber destroyed the Holy Grail in the previous Grail War too (that's why the town was destroyed and Shirou was the only lucky one to survive... fate? ^^), yet it appeared again...

so, it's not like the whole thing about the Holy Grail Wars is over now.
what I don't know is if Saber is still considered a useable Hero for the Holy Grail War...
She accepted what happened in her live and ordered Bedivere to return Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake and her life ended... so she doesn't desire the it anymore, right?..
The "dream" as she called it, showed her that she doesn't have to seek to undo the fact that SHE became the "king", we can't except the dying king arthur to know about the holy grail wars and what happened in them though.. it's probably more like her subconsciousness tells her that (because of her spirit which fought in the holy grail wars and eventually became Shirou's servant)
at least thats what I made out of it

So the next War might be with a different pool of heroes to choose from, but I don't know if it is possible for Saber to delete the contract she made with the Holy Grail or if her spirit really has to fight forever, even if she doesn't want the Holy Grail anymore.

well...but this is IF there is a next Holy Grail War... for some reason everyone says that the grail is *really* destroyed this time... I can't find out why though... didn't Shirou's father do the same thing with the 4th Holy grail?
that's why saber thought he betrayed her... or not? he ordered saber to destroy it with his command spell


I think it would be really cool if they made a sequal of how shiro develops into archer, and maybe have the end of the that series be the same as the beginning of the first series, with archer appearing as Rin's servant.

if it ends right there it would be pointless... it has to end how UBW ends, then it would make sense imho

the "new" Archer will learn from the other Archer's mistakes and not be defeated by Berserker... well, basically he will do what he does in the game (UBW) and so on, because he knows what will happen if he doesn't ^^

It would be very nice to see someone like Shirou to become a person like Archer...
the process would be *very* interesting.. the game did a great job there but I really would like to see the point where his personality switched and he boiled over.

yet, it would be very difficult to tell the story...
would you tell the "new"(from Archer-Shirou's point of view) grail war from old-Shirou' point of view (like in the game)? or from Archer's point of of view? Or maybe from both (like in UBW at the end, just throughout the whole story and not only towards the end )?

Because the main story doesn't end with Archer, but with shirou and the holy grail war... the viewers would want to know what happens with the Holy Grail, Shirou and Saber etc.
and if you focus on Shirou too much, you might get another F/S-N again and you won't "develop enough feelings" for Archer.

The beginning is really difficult to tell.. you don't want to see too much of it again, but you need it so much! The later parts of UBW would be absolutely no problems to adapt into an anime because they are all new. You can even put Shirou's journey (namely how he became Archer) in the very beginning, with scenes how he tried to save people and such and what happened when he tried that. This would give you a pretty good introduction and you can work with that alot in an anime or movie.
The tricky part is where Fate and UBW are exactly the same.. I don't know, maybe you guys have an Idea how to solve this out?
I always end up with the problem, that the Grail War also has to end and if you don't involve Shirou enough, the later part of the story might become boring because the viewer doesn't really care about Shirou after Archer's story is finished (hell it's difficult to explain this without talking about a few details from the game)

I think it is *really* difficult to make a sequel for Fate/Stay Night if you want the same characters in it but I'd really appreciate it if they show us Archer's story together with the UBW route in an anime-sequel of Fate/Stay night ^^.
but as I said.. Archer shouldn't die like he did in the anime... the story should be thesame as in UBW

I hope my text didn't turn out too complicated... but it's really difficult to explain everything without spoiling and the biggest problem is that Fate Stay Night is really complex by itself.. so even with spoiling it is nonetheless a difficult subject

but I also thought about a possible sequel and such when I finished UBW for the first time.. I always thought that Archer's story would be perfect for it but I had problems with the "script" if you know what I mean. Might be interesting to hear your ideas about it, to give me back my peace of mind :/ even if you have to read through my engrish hehe

hmm but I think it is impossible to talk about a sequel without mentioning the game too much and get offtopic.

however, if an anime sequel like UBW is written and animated well, it could easily become a hit... because the story is very touching, just like the original. The only difference is that it is more manly since it is more testosterone-loaded xD
GAR!!!!

edit: marked the text as "spoilers" even though I gave my best to hide them... but maybe something slipped through.. you decide

[Ryllharu]

btw, a sequel for Fate/Stay Night wouldn't be impossible... Saber destroyed the Holy Grail in the previous Grail War too (that's why the town was destroyed and Shirou was the only lucky one to survive... fate? ^^), yet it appeared again...
They explain this a lot better in the Fate route of the game.

Saber "broke" the Holy Grail in the previous war, when she was the servant of Shirou's father, the Angra Mainyu corrupted the grail in a much eariler War, and its essense spilled onto Kotomine and his servant Gilgamesh (an Archer) corrupting the two of them. However, Saber and Shirou together destroyed the Holy Grail outright at the end of this war.


so, it's not like the whole thing about the Holy Grail Wars is over now.
what I don't know is if Saber is still considered a useable Hero for the Holy Grail War...
She accepted what happened in her live and ordered Bedivere to return Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake and her life ended... so she doesn't desire the it anymore, right?..
(because of her spirit which fought in the holy grail wars and eventually became Shirou's servant)

So the next War might be with a different pool of heroes to choose from, but I don't know if it is possible for Saber to delete the contract she made with the Holy Grail or if her spirit really has to fight forever, even if she doesn't want the Holy Grail anymore.Again, this was mentioned in the anime, albeit briefly, but better explained in the game (even with a flow chart!).

Saber, strictly speaking...isn't a spirit. Because of Arturia's obsession with finding the Holy Grail, as she lay dying, she is pulled into the Holy Grail wars across time by the power of the Grail. She's alive, and each time she returns to that spot, still dying, she takes back her memories of each war she participates back with her. That's why she remembers Shirou's father. Spirits don't retain any information from their participation in the Grail Wars. Each time they are summoned, they only remember what they took from their past lives. The only exception, of course, is Archer. It would be a spoiler to say why, as it was only alluded to in the anime.

With Saber finding the Holy Grail (even if she destroyed it) she fulfilled her only regret in life as she lay dying. She learned that she didn't need to obtain it, just finish the quest for it. She would not return again.


well...but this is IF there is a next Holy Grail War... for some reason everyone says that the grail is *really* destroyed this time... I can't find out why though... didn't Shirou's father do the same thing with the 4th Holy grail?Kotomine explained this in the anime. They couldn't destroy it, it disappeared after Kiritsugu and Saber damaged it.


[Spoilers]
Spoiling from an anime point of view, but whatever, his identity was heavily implied by seeing Rin's jewel when he faded. Archer exists from an alternate reality in the future. He, unlike Saber, is not a fluid entity. He is a holy spirit from the future, and any events in his past are unchangable. It may seem that he is, but that is only because he participated in this set of events. What happened to him happened, he remains consistent through all three arcs of the game.

Two of the arcs he persists in saying, "It won't happen again," while in another, he very noticably shifts to "It is happening again." If you complete enough of the bad endings in that arc, you also learn exactly which one it is, as it says it plain as day.

You see the singular decision that crushes Shirou in that arc of the game.

You can't show Archer's origin without showing that arc. Shirou doesn't change into who will eventually become Archer until after a certain point in that arc.

[Buffalobiian]

For those interested, Thora's releasing Fate/Stay Night in 720p via IRC.

http://www.thoranime.org/?p=1045

[Kraco]

I don't honestly think with FSN's less than stellar graphics quality 550MB per episode is in any way justifiable. Yet, being such a miserable FSN fanboy, I'm still downloading them...

[Xelbair]

So i'm not the only one, damn i must watch fate for 3rd time.(and play through UBW for 2nd time too)

[Archangel]

800 Megas for the last episode... that's just insane >_>

Well i watched the anime for the first time and i enjoyed it

It doesn't hold a candle to the game, but i already saw that one coming and the way it merged topics from all 3 paths was pretty ingenious and well done

And btw there's a prequel (Fate/Zero), a sequel (Ataraxia) and 3 more paths so why is this the only anime made by the fate company?

Do they have something against making money? Start milking those licenses you idiots!

[Xelbair]

I've started watching the hd version of fate, but i'm back to playing the UBW route in the game for one more time.

[Kraco]

The best news since the last best news:

UBW movie announced (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-08-06/fate/stay-night-unlimited-blade-works-film-confirmed)

A whole new series based on the UBW (or any route) would have been a bit too much to ask, and since Type-Moon seems to be liking movies of late (like Kara no Kyoukai) a movie was almost to be expected if anything.

Finally Rin will win also in animation.

[Archangel]

The best news since the last best news:

UBW movie announced (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-08-06/fate/stay-night-unlimited-blade-works-film-confirmed)

A whole new series based on the UBW (or any route) would have been a bit too much to ask, and since Type-Moon seems to be liking movies of late (like Kara no Kyoukai) a movie was almost to be expected if anything.

Finally Rin will win also in animation.

Shit, this is an awesome occasion but i can't think of anything witty or meaningful to say...

I'll go with a resounding "FUCK YEAH!"

[Buffalobiian]

Hmm, guess I should hurry up and finish Fate and the other arcs.

[Archangel]

Hmm, guess I should hurry up and finish Fate and the other arcs.

You haven't finished the game yet ???|

I no longer like you

[michelous]

hopefully the animation will be even better than the anime
one thing i hope to see after the movie is a wedding dress saber figure
the spoiler fight will be insane (i hope)
and lastly is shiro's spoiler
and the prologue for the game that was left out of the anime should be used as well

Try to keep in mind this is the anime thread, not the game thread.

[Kraco]

Since the C76 cam rips have appeared in other threads, let's fill this as well. The quality is what it is but who cares...

UBW C76 CAM trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoQYEnqSMmc)


Some of the scenes could have been from the old series but you can see, if you look carefully enough, some new ones as well. I think.

[Archangel]

2010??? God dammit...

Anyway there were many new scenes in that trailer including remakes of some old ones ( different angles and shit )

[TheBladeChild]

Cant wait to see it, hope the ending is different though.

[Archangel]

Cant wait to see it, hope the ending is different though.

Different from the one in the game?

[Xrlderek]

Looks awesome. Never saw the original anime, but I'll watch this.

[Archangel]

Looks awesome. Never saw the original anime, but I'll watch this.

And you're waiting for what to watch it again ...?

[Buffalobiian]

That trailer looks sick. You can so tell the difference in animation quality between this OVA and the Shana + Railgun cams, even if they're from the same booth.

[Kraco]

It isn't an ova. It's a film, which in itself explains easily enough why there's a definitive quality difference. Nobody goes to a theater to watch something that doesn't look good on the big screen. Otherwise it of course compares to an ova in the sense that the same amount of money can be used to produce much less minutes than with a full TV series. However, I think things in general might be looking a bit different for Type-Moon than back then, with Kara no Kyoukai, Realta Nua, Unlimited Codes, and everything. Meaning they might get sponsors more easily.

[Buffalobiian]

Sorry, I meant film. Don't know how I ended up typing OVA.

[KrayZ33]

can't wait to see the part @ einzbern castle

[Archangel]

can't wait to see the part @ einzbern castle

I was thinking about that too

I wonder if they will censor that part

[KrayZ33]

I think so, it would be awesome if they didn't but I doubt that.

I wouldn't mind though if they hide it with some glowing/lightning effects.
everything is better than cutting it out fully

[Archangel]

One can hope i guess

It's not like the real scene was that gory anyway

[Kraco]

Alright, that's enough about it. It feels to me like you are step by step getting closer to actually saying something concrete, which would then be a spoiler.

[Archangel]

If we're being this careful is exactly because we know we can't say anything...

Not that there's much more to discuss about said scene

[Sapphire]

ANN article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-12-14/fate/stay-night-unlimited-blade-works-trailer-streamed)

50 second Unlimited Blade works trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzA52eXjMfw) Is it different from the one in the article? It won't play for me :(

[KrayZ33]

0:43..... 0:43!!!!!

gnaaaa!

[Archangel]

0:43..... 0:43!!!!!

gnaaaa!

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6942/18301901.jpg

[Kraco]

Looks good. Very good. The music was also good. The only bad thing is that we won't be seeing this for half a year.

Still, I can't help but feel some apprehension due to the simple mathematical fact even a two hours movie would still equal to mere 6 episodes. And who knows how long this movie will be? Maybe not even that.

[Archangel]

They will most likely keep the scenes already shown in the anime to a bare minimum so they can focus on the new material

[NeoCybercoin]

Ahhh that looked awesome. Top Notch quality. Can't wait for it to come out. And 0:43...yeah

[Buffalobiian]

ANN article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-12-14/fate/stay-night-unlimited-blade-works-trailer-streamed)

50 second Unlimited Blade works trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzA52eXjMfw) Is it different from the one in the article? It won't play for me :(

It's the same as the one from the article, in crappier quality.


Want...background...as...wallpaper!!

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9397/fsn.jpg

edit: and.....done (http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php?p=451338&postcount=730)

[Xelbair]

I've just ripped few sounds from Fate/Unlimited Codes, and merged few files into one to create UBW incantation in one file - enjoy.

http://www.mediafire.com/?tomqzoiyy2k <- UBW full
http://www.mediafire.com/?fnh5lj2fedh <- rest

so.. time to sleep...

[Buffalobiian]

I've just ripped few sounds from Fate/Unlimited Codes, and merged few files into one to create UBW incantation in one file - enjoy.

http://www.mediafire.com/?tomqzoiyy2k <- UBW full
http://www.mediafire.com/?fnh5lj2fedh <- rest

so.. time to sleep...

I had a good laugh at the second one. By just throwing everything on random-play, you can get some interesting mixes of Noble Phantoms everywhere.

"So as I pray...Gate of Babylon!!" :)

[digitalrurouni]

What I dont understand is despite watching this show twice...what the big deal is about this show and why everyone is such a big fan of it. Its like Pokemon/Digimon but with cooler looking characters and the main character who cant keep his dick in his pocket.

[Archangel]

Bla bla bla drunken post, ignore it

[Xelbair]

Keep on trollin'

//posted totally late at night - ignore if you want

[Kraco]

Don't post if you have got nothing to say. It's even forbidden by the rules.

All anime is like Pokemon/Digimon if all you need for similarity is that they are produced in Japan. Big deal. Some people like one series, some like another. It would take more than an armchair philosopher to explain why it is so, and thus only asking that is next to useless. However, to get an impression of why so people liked FSN, I'm sure reading through this thread would give an idea or two. For my own part I can say I've yet to encounter a Type-Moon production I wouldn't have liked.

Anyway, since you've watched it twice yourself, why don't you ask yourself? Nobody but a fool watches even once a show he doesn't like. Only an idiot would watch twice a show he doesn't like.

[Kraco]

Subbed trailer 2:

Trailer 2 - TMD-Raze (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BTMD-Raze%5D_Fate_stay_night_Unlimited_Blade_Works_Movi e_Trailer_2_%5BEE7145F5%5D.mkv.torrent)


They show helluva lot in this trailer. If I hadn't already played through the route in the game two times, I might even feel a little spoiled.

[Archangel]

True, i wouldn't recommend it to any non gamers

Still, the whole thing looks hella sexy and even Shirou seems to have been slightly redesigned to look less retarded. Good thing, i was never crazy about his design.

Best part on this trailer is that they seem to have added that one scene when Major spoiler removed.

This is still the anime thread - the game thread is separate - and the no spoilers rule applies as long as people don't have access to the translated movie.

[Yukimura]

@Trailer: Looks like interesting times. I'm happy to see all the old chars again and I look forward to discovering what differences this movies story will introduce. Unlike what seems like all of Gotwoot I don't play/read/watch visual novels so I know next to nothing about what will happen in this movie beyond what was in the trailers. I found myself wondering what was up with Gilgamesh's look near the end of the trailer. I'm assuming that the person standing in front of the 'plane of swords' was Gilgamesh but he doesn't look like the one I remember from the TV series so maybe he's a whole different character, I can't wait to find out. I would hope we won't have to wait a year for the DVD to come out to be ripped but I think that would be a waste of hope so I won't bother.

@older conversation: I have asked myself the same question the allegedly drunk digitalrurouni asked earlier about the details surrounding the source of the intensity of the fan love FSN seems to elicit, at least in this community. I've seen many anime and liked a fair portion of them, including FSN, but I can't say I've ever felt anything like what I sense some of the fans of the FSN franchise feel towards it. Since I don't share the intensity of their feelings towards it but I respect the legitimacy of those feelings it has become a passing curiosity to me. Far from meaning to condemn the show to being only as 'good' as I feel it is I simply wonder what it is about certain peoples tastes and the show that mesh up in just the right way to bring out the sort of behavior observed.

[shinta|hikari]

Maybe the fan love is actually because of the game. I watched the anime first, and I loved Saber and Rin, but that was about it. I hated Shirou and found the anime itself to be mediocre. But after playing the game, I found myself liking it much more than before.

If I had to say something about the anime alone, maybe people simply like some of the characters a lot, and that translates to being a fan of the show in most cases.

[Buffalobiian]

Maybe the fan love is actually because of the game. I watched the anime first, and I loved Saber and Rin, but that was about it. I hated Shirou and found the anime itself to be mediocre. But after playing the game, I found myself liking it much more than before.

If I had to say something about the anime alone, maybe people simply like some of the characters a lot, and that translates to being a fan of the show in most cases.
Like Rin, and Archer, and Saber....... and Rin.


True, i wouldn't recommend it to any non gamers

Or anybody with a bad memory. I've played the route once and forgotten most of the details unless you prod me. Then I watched that trailer last night and thought it was indeed gave too much away. Today, I can't remember exactly WHAT it gave away.

edit: or maybe you would recommend it, since they'd forget by the time the BDs came out anyway.

[digitalrurouni]

Don't post if you have got nothing to say. It's even forbidden by the rules.

All anime is like Pokemon/Digimon if all you need for similarity is that they are produced in Japan. Big deal. Some people like one series, some like another. It would take more than an armchair philosopher to explain why it is so, and thus only asking that is next to useless. However, to get an impression of why so people liked FSN, I'm sure reading through this thread would give an idea or two. For my own part I can say I've yet to encounter a Type-Moon production I wouldn't have liked.

Anyway, since you've watched it twice yourself, why don't you ask yourself? Nobody but a fool watches even once a show he doesn't like. Only an idiot would watch twice a show he doesn't like.

Damn taking it personal aren't we? Ah well I could not care less...you probably dont do anything else OTHER than watch anime and post on this forum all day long. But thats ok if thats what makes you happy lol.

I watched it twice so that I would 'get' what people obviously seem to 'get' about the show. And when it didnt work for me I genuinely decided I dont like the show quite a bit. I usually give things/people a second chance that is in my nature. So far it has worked for me quite well in life.

All anime is definitely not like Digimon/Pokemon. I can rattle a few off the top of my head. But no point in arguing because we all know what is said about arguing over the internet.

[Dark Dragon]

Ah well I could not care less...you probably dont do anything else OTHER than watch anime and post on this forum all day long. But thats ok if thats what makes you happy lol.

Really? People still use the "oh you don't do anything but blahblahblah" when they can't come up with an argument? If you really could care less, why bother posting again?


But no point in arguing because we all know what is said about arguing over the internet.

Again, why bother posting a response if that is how you really feel? A bit hypocritical isn't it?

[Buffalobiian]

But no point in arguing because we all know what is said about arguing over the internet.

Arguing is presenting a point across and discussing its validity.

Your statement denies the purpose of online fora.

As for your opinion of FSN, to each their own.

[Archangel]

I can never get enough of the "I don't care" argument and how most people don't seem to grasp the concept behind not caring

[Kraco]

Damn taking it personal aren't we?

It might have seemed at a casual glance like I was insulting you, but if you didn't take it so personally, yourself, you'd have realised that's not the case. Anyway, enough of that fruitless disruption.

I completely agree with shinta. After I had watched FSN for the first time, I actually considered it only a good anime but nothing special. It wasn't in my top 5 or anything (actually still isn't). It has some serious problems preventing it from becoming a masterpiece, mainly the fact it didn't follow one route of the game but was an odd mix. However, after playing the game, you can actually watch the anime only as a way of seeing some of the scenes animated. Kind of like supplementary material to the story. Of course this means you don't specifically think the anime is awesome but the whole FSN scheme.

[Lucifus]

I also, can't to this day say Fate Stay/Night could realistically make the cut into my top anime list. Yet its been in there on my sig, when I could think of many more deserving series that could take its place.

It just had too many flaws and Shinji's character in the anime was so damned annoying.

I never played the game or saw anything outside the anime though, and I'm still a rabid fan regardless.

My conclusion: Saber, Rin, and Rider.

EDIT: Haha, I called Shirou Shinji. Thats how annoying he was. -_-

[Archangel]

Lol, Sakura doesn't even make the list?

Even hoes need love dude

[Buffalobiian]

[Nipponsei] Fate-stay Night Unlimited Blade Works Main Theme Single - Voice ~Tadori Tsuku Basho~ [Tainaka Sachi].zip (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BNipponsei%5D%20Fate-stay%20Night%20Unlimited%20Blade%20Works%20Main%20 Theme%20Single%20-%20Voice%20~Tadori%20Tsuku%20Basho~%20%5BTainaka%2 0Sachi%5D.zip.torrent)

^ feels like those love-scene insert songs. I can imagine a few scenes where it may happen, but it could well be just the ED song.

[Kraco]

^ feels like those love-scene insert songs. I can imagine a few scenes where it may happen, but it could well be just the ED song.

It sure does. I also could imagine a scene or two but they might have it as the ED like you said. Depends also how much lighter scenes they intend to have. All things considered, the movie will be quite nonstop action if they intend to have everything essential in.

FSN TV Reproduction OP Single mp3 - LonE (http://losslessone.fansub-torrents.com/%5BLonE%5D_Tainaka_Sachi_-_Fate_stay_night_TV_reproduction_OP_Single_-_disillusion-2010-_%5Bw_scans%5D_%28mp3%29.rar.torrent)

A strange version of disillusion and then some other song (which is quite good in my opinion).

[Buffalobiian]

FSN TV Reproduction OP Single mp3 - LonE (http://losslessone.fansub-torrents.com/%5BLonE%5D_Tainaka_Sachi_-_Fate_stay_night_TV_reproduction_OP_Single_-_disillusion-2010-_%5Bw_scans%5D_%28mp3%29.rar.torrent)

A strange version of disillusion and then some other song (which is quite good in my opinion).

Disillusion 2010 sounds rather strange to begin with. When the instruments kick in, it feels pretty good and all with the upbeat and stuff, but then falls into strangeness again, generally with the slower singing feeling somewhat mismatched. The entire cycle continues throughout the song.

The second one, as you said, is rather agreeable overall.

[Buffalobiian]

[Fading Sun-Navy]Fate stay night TV reproduction I (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=114519)

Subs are too big. Vid quality is somewhat acceptable. The OP is quite the eyecandy.

I'll wait a day or two to see if a better version pops up before I watch the rest of this

[Kraco]

Yeah, you might be better off waiting. I watched that yesterday when it was released, and not only was the translation done first to Portuguese and from that to English but it was quite bad as well. Furthermore, in the end it's all the same to wait as well, because it contained nothing new. It truly was put together entirely by cutting pieces of the series. In short it seemed they chose every important fight highlight and every important line (that is, not every important discussion but only the important lines from those discussions). The story jumps from one such significant scene to the next, with nothing in between. It was quite a jumpy and weird ride.

But being such an FSN fan I'll archive it nonetheless if a decent version appears.

[Archangel]

There are no new scenes at all other than the new OP and ED if anyone was wondering

You know what would have been a good and not so expensive idea? If they had gotten Shirou's voice actor to narrate some scenes just like he did in the game. It would add both content and interest from the fans.

[Kraco]

It seems like the BD release date of the UBW movie might be no sooner than the 30th of September. According to some maganize scan posted at myanimelist's forum (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=232647).

I certainly hoped it would be sooner.

[Buffalobiian]

It seems like the BD release date of the UBW movie might be no sooner than the 30th of September. According to some maganize scan posted at myanimelist's forum (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=232647).

I certainly hoped it would be sooner.

Sooner would be nice, of course. I only hope it would be no later.

[Archangel]

Meh, it will be a nice back to school present

[Kraco]

cdjapan seems to list the movie 105 minutes long. So, it equals five eps worth of material, credits included (since the movie only needs those once, obviously). Not a whole lot of minutes to play with, considering the route is even longer than the Fate route. Hopefully the slideshow will still retain all the best scenes.

[Archangel]

Like i said before, i'm sure they can shed a few hours off it by not having to mention what was already animated in the tv series too much

[Kraco]

The first raw appeared on Tokyotosho so we are close, by any reckoning.

[Archangel]

Here's hoping a nice group like Doki picks it up. Or maybe Thora if they resign themselves to making a 720p version.

[Marik]

Go to #611 (http://forums.gotwoot.net/showthread.php?p=474471&postcount=611) for the updated version.

[Zati]

Fantastic. Thanks, Marik. Like many of the other members, I've been eagerly awaiting this release, and it's finally out!

[Kraco]

As a stand-alone movie this would be quite miserable but as supplementary material for the game, I think this was perfect. Well worth the long wait. Considering how hard it must have been to stuff it all in mere 1:45, I think the cutting work was fine. The only missing thing was Shirou's condition to Lancer's suggestion. I can't believe they took away the funniest moment of the arc! But then again, maybe it would have stood out too much with the general lack of romance dictated by the time limit.

Atmosphere and music were wonderful as expected. Even Archer's backstory worked well considering, once again, the lack of minutes allowed for building it.

I didn't really get the scene after the credits, though. It was weirdly morbid and conflicted with the last scenes before the credits: Rin's promise to Archer and the sunset scene (which was fortunately included, even if without dialogue). I wonder if UTW's raw was missing the last frames...

In short, I'm not disappointed at all. A jolly good movie for those who have played the game.

[KrayZ33]

wow this movie is most likely completely incomprehensible for anyone who has not seen the series or played the game and for those who watched/played it its not dramatic enough imho

surely only watchable because of the fight scenes, they were awesome
(+rin and saber fanservice scenes)

[Arcn3ss]

I am gonna have to agree and say most people would be completely lost if they had not played the game. But that being said for those who have played and loved the game it was awesome to see UBW be animated.The animation was spectacular as was the music and the voice acting.

I couldn't help but lol at the Rin x Shirou Dolphin Magic Crest transfer scene. I haven't played the non h-scene patch (ripped from the ps2 game) yet but does anyone know if the dolphins were swimming around in that? I personally liked the h-scenes in there from the PC game it really added to Rin and Shirou's bond which i felt was kinda lacking in this movie when you compare it to the game. But that's to be expected!

Overall I really did enjoy this movie!

They did go with the more "true ending" UBW but its still missing the fact that Shirou becomes Rin's apprentice etc. (Tho i did always love the good ending go saber x rin x shirou!)

[KrayZ33]

I found it rather confusing that they basically explained nothing,

its like
"hey guys, its holy grail-war time again" - "ahh... that agaiiiin?
"well, it cant be changed so lets fight for it!" - "Hmmkay"
"oh btw do you guys actually have a wish to state once we have the grail" - "ah... hmm nawww lets just fight!"

there was absolutely no back story at all

shirou just happened to summon swords out of nowhere lol
and it felt like it is the most common thing to do.

they really should have started the movie like they did in the anime...
previous holy grail war resulted in a big explotion, shirou got rescued by a mage and trained with him etc.

[animus]

So, how's the sub quality/video quality?

[KrayZ33]

good video quality, but the subs had some spelling errors

now = how etc.
still good though

[Kraco]

I couldn't help but lol at the Rin x Shirou Dolphin Magic Crest transfer scene. I haven't played the non h-scene patch (ripped from the ps2 game) yet but does anyone know if the dolphins were swimming around in that? I personally liked the h-scenes in there from the PC game it really added to Rin and Shirou's bond which i felt was kinda lacking in this movie when you compare it to the game.

I found it hilarious as well. It was just as out there as the infamous dragon scene in the TV series but fortunately this looked a lot better. However, I found it nice how they tried to placate game players by small things like having Rin have reduced clothing (to press her hand on Shirou's chest, very necessary) and simply by having her behave just as embarrassedly as she was in the game despite having no reason to in this movie. That did much to save it in my eyes.

[animus]

Yeah, I didn't play the game but just watched the original FSN anime and I was pretty damn confused.

There's so much I'm confused about. Like how did Berserker get owned by Gilgamesh so easily? His puny fodder weapons pierced his skin when nothing from Archer could even scratch him. Also, what's the deal with Ilya's heart? Or why were Emiya and Archer Emiya called fakes? Why did Saber disappear at the end? Does destroying the Holy Grail "reset" all the Servants?

Or how Lancer stayed alive after the order was to kill himself. That aside isn't the Servant supposed to disappear when the Master dies? Kirei dies, but Lancer stayed around long enough to chuck a spear at Shinji.

Pretty confused yeah, but it really does seem like the movie should be for you if you've played through this arc in the game.

[Kraco]

There's so much I'm confused about. Like how did Berserker get owned by Gilgamesh so easily? His puny fodder weapons pierced his skin when nothing from Archer could even scratch him.

Like was said already in the TV series Berserker has a bunch of lives. You have to destroy them all to completely get rid of him. Archer managed to do it once with his final attack. Gilgamesh just kept doing it until the counter reached zero.


Also, what's the deal with Ilya's heart?

Necessary for the vessel of the Holy Grail. Granted, it wasn't explained at all in this movie.


Or why were Emiya and Archer Emiya called fakes?

Because they are fakers. They create dublicates of legendary weapons. It especially pisses off somebody like Gilgamesh, whose main power is the possession of a hoard of genuine weapons.


Why did Saber disappear at the end? Does destroying the Holy Grail "reset" all the Servants?

The Holy Grail War mechanism is used to summon them in the first place. To stay around like Gilgamesh requires very special methods.


Or how Lancer stayed alive after the order was to kill himself. That aside isn't the Servant supposed to disappear when the Master dies? Kirei dies, but Lancer stayed around long enough to chuck a spear at Shinji.

Archer said his class is able to stay for two days without a master. I guess a Lancer is able to stick around for a bit as well. As to why he didn't die immediately, I guess piercing the heart didn't kill him right away. Servants can take some punishment. Saber also succesfully disobeyed a command spell for a very long time, so it's not impossible Lancer stretched his just a bit as well.

[NeoCybercoin]

Lancer used Runes. Like the one he used to burn the place down. That's how he managed to stay alive a bit longer.

[Buffalobiian]

The only missing thing was Shirou's condition to Lancer's suggestion. I can't believe they took away the funniest moment of the arc!

Please remind me what that involved again?



I found the movie.. weak. Definitely not the epic adaptation I was expecting. Perhaps I was simply overhyped.

The backstory really fell short, something that members who haven't played the VN have already pointed out. It really shoots things down since you can't get into why they're doing something, or why it matters. A lot of the interactions between Archer and Shirou got cut down to the point where you simply can not understand why they hate each other.

And even though this arc was supposed to be about Rin as well, she got cut big time. In the game all her teaching/lecturing scenes, amongst other stuff, portrayed her as an exceptionally competent mage. She had her soft and weak sides too, which really brought the point home that she's still a girl inside that superhuman shell of hers (READ: tsundere). When you cut all of the previous stuff out, all that I was left with was a whole lot of "Kyaa!".

The producers put an interesting spin on her conversation with Taiga. Compared to the game, the movie highlighted her acting abilities more so than her persuasive power.

The faces looked fat at times, particularly during the earlier parts of the movie. For some reason, the people seemed to be animated as if all that fighting required no effort. I can't pinpoint exactly how, but it gave me that impression. Enemies lost because... they just did.

I'm not cut about why Lancer stayed for that long, but I was really hoping the movie would clear up how on earth Archer stuck around till the end. He can survive for 2 days without a master, but it doesn't make him immortal. He took all that shit from Gilgamesh, and was supposed to be low on mana prior to his Castle fight with Shirou anyway - not to mention how he took that wound from him too!!

Archer's pause before he said he lost his memories was good though. It made it all the clearer that he was lying (whereas before it was more or less up to interpretation).




Now with that out of the way, eye-candy....


IT WAS GREAT!

Saber's "wedding dress" appeal was through the roof, and they did such an awesome job with Rin I'll even forgive them for replacing her sex scene with dolphins. (that part was hilarious). The blur filter backfired just a bit from overuse, but it wasn't too bad.

In the end, I'd say this was nice. It really is dedicated to fans of the game, and even then, the only real thing it had going for it was animation and eye-candy. I'd call them even in terms of music, and it completely falls short in the story department.

I can't say how well they did in adapting this to less than two hours of footage. I'm simply rating the movie as a whole.

I surely don't regret watching it, but at the same time I can't recommend it.

[shinta|hikari]

It was pretty, but empty.

[Marik]

[UTW] Fate Stay Night – Unlimited Blade Works [BD] [h264-1080p FLAC] [D7A47961].mkv (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BUTW%5D%20Fate%20Stay%20Night%20-%20Unlimited%20Blade%20Works%20%5BBD%5D%5Bh264-1080p%20FLAC%5D%5BD7A47961%5D.mkv.torrent)

[UTW] Fate Stay Night – Unlimited Blade Works [BD] [h264-720p AC3] [70764BA9].mkv (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BUTW%5D%20Fate%20Stay%20Night%20-%20Unlimited%20Blade%20Works%20%5BBD%5D%5Bh264-720p%20AC3%5D%5B70764BA9%5D.mkv.torrent)

[UTW] Fate Stay Night – Unlimited Blade Works [XviD-480p] [2CA51491].avi (http://tracker.minglong.org/torrents/%5BUTW%5D%20Fate%20Stay%20Night%20-%20Unlimited%20Blade%20Works%20%5BXviD-480p%5D%5B2CA51491%5D.avi.torrent)

[UTW] Fate Stay Night – Unlimited Blade Works [720p Patch].zip (http://utw.me/file/%5BUTW%5D%20Fate%20Stay%20Night%20-%20Unlimited%20Blade%20Works%20%5B720p%20Patch%5D. zip)


Changes from the v1 version include less heavy typesetting at the 1:17:40 UBW chant (still the same on-screen typesetting; only the blur on the sliding polygon was removed) and ending lines at 1:44:46, and extra script editing. The 1080p version already uses this revised script.

[RyougaZell]

Rushed? Yes.
Awesome? F-awesome.

Loved it.


@Marik:
I assume that patch removes the slowing down that happened when the text appeared during the chant and last scene? Please confirm.

[Marik]

Yes. The patch fixes the subtitle lag during the chant and the ending lines.

[RyougaZell]

Thanks. I'll patch it as soon as I free some space.

[Buffalobiian]

Yes. The patch fixes the subtitle lag during the chant and the ending lines.

Does that happen to everybody (the lag), or does it only happen if you don't have enough rendering power?

It lagged on my laptop, but I forgot to check if it did on my desktop before I patched it.

[Marik]

Does that happen to everybody (the lag), or does it only happen if you don't have enough rendering power?

It lagged on my laptop, but I forgot to check if it did on my desktop before I patched it.

I'm gonna say it only happens if you don't have enough rendering power. It didn't lag at all on my main desktop, but it did lag on my other one, so I had to patch it.

[Tobydelaroka]

I'm hoping for sequel Shiro x Saber :( but now.. ahhh!!
Rin getting prettier but Saber is way hotter!

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/762/vlcsnap2010101015h35m02.th.png (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap2010101015h35m02.png/)

[animus]

How many FSN arcs are there? I recall that there's one that's focused on Ilya, at least.

[Buffalobiian]

How many FSN arcs are there? I recall that there's one that's focused on Ilya, at least.

There are three: Saber, Rin, Sakura.

This movie actually cut out A LOT of Ilya development that happens as her personal flashback when Berserker died. It was actually a huge tear-jerker for me, so it was a shame they had to completely omit it due to time constraints.

[NeoCybercoin]

Also too bad they didn't add the fact that he broke through the chains that Gilgamesh bound him in to protect Ilya.

[Archangel]

I can't believe they skipped the line Shirou dropped when facing Lancer's proposal...

Also hardly no Ilya, Rin or any other character but Shirou and Archer

This was just insanely rushed, it would make no sense to one oblivious to the original arc in the game and feels lacking for those who enjoyed it in its full glory

Fuck, at least give me the actual H scene if you're gonna leave out pretty much every other tsun anf dere Rin moment :(

[Kraco]

I can't believe they skipped the line Shirou dropped when facing Lancer's proposal...

That was the scene I was looking forward to the most - and it was skipped. Unforgivable!

[animus]

What was the line supposed to have been exactly? You've got me curious.

[Buffalobiian]

That was the scene I was looking forward to the most - and it was skipped. Unforgivable!

I don't remember it. Do remind me.

[Archangel]

Appreciate my effort, this was hard to find

Fate/stay night - Unlimited Blade Works - 13th Day - Rin-sama embarrassed and angry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQvQYHfc2Xs)

It's set right after Lancer offers his help to Shirou and Rin. Shirou accepts it, but only on one condition...

[KrayZ33]

edit: ahhh that scene sure reminds me of how awesome lancer is.
meh, he should have been the main character from the start.

[Buffalobiian]

Ah, haha, that was indeed good fun. I remember now.

Thanks Arch.

It makes sense to leave that scene out of the movie. Given now negligible the Rin x Shirou romance was, throwing this in would have just made things inconsistent.

[Death BOO Z]

I've finally been able to watch this one, thanks to some homework I decided to skip doing.

All I wanted from it was to explain the thing with Shriou and Archer I've been hearing so much about, and the movie didn't even do that well.

I figured that the mana transfer thing was a bit more sexy in the game, though I could chulck it up and say that Rin was just vulnerable and pissed because it meant Shirou would get to see her memories. and not because that pact obviously requires more than just chanting silly words.

I kinda felt like Saber was mostly ignored in the movie, I can't recall a single meaningful thing she did (besides heavy fan service, damn, she's hot), everything was either Shirou or Archer (mostly Archer).

I guess I need to play the game for the full FSN experience.

last thing. RIN! totally still one of my favorite tsundere.

[Sentenal]

I've finally been able to watch this one, thanks to some homework I decided to skip doing.

All I wanted from it was to explain the thing with Shriou and Archer I've been hearing so much about, and the movie didn't even do that well.

I figured that the mana transfer thing was a bit more sexy in the game, though I could chulck it up and say that Rin was just vulnerable and pissed because it meant Shirou would get to see her memories. and not because that pact obviously requires more than just chanting silly words.

I kinda felt like Saber was mostly ignored in the movie, I can't recall a single meaningful thing she did (besides heavy fan service, damn, she's hot), everything was either Shirou or Archer (mostly Archer).

I guess I need to play the game for the full FSN experience.

last thing. RIN! totally still one of my favorite tsundere.
The UBW movie basically takes the game, and fast forwards through everything, changes the sex into magical flying dolphins, and gives everything very good animation.

In the game, Rin was the primary heroein in UBW, and Saber more or less to the back seat to her, since the Fate scenario was Saber's. Still, like I said, the movie skips over a ton of character development and stuff, simply due to time. UBW itself easily had enough content to make a TV series out of, its just a shame they had to try and cram everything into 2 hours.

[Buffalobiian]

Play the game DBZ. Rin is so much more awesome there.

[Archangel]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-21/fate/zero-novel-gets-anime

I came with the force of 1000 burning stars

[NeoCybercoin]

I came buckets.

[Arcn3ss]

* Arkangel changes topic to 'Welcome to #Gotwoot | Don't: !list, @find, spoil | http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-21/fate/zero-novel-gets-anime'
<&DS> dont spam
<@Arkangel> Ds
<@Arkangel> Shut up
<&DS> i said
<&DS> dont spam
<@Arkangel> :/
* @Arkangel slaps Arcness around a bit with a large trout
<&Arcness> holy
<&Arcness> fucking
<&Arcness> shit
<&Arcness> My god
<&Arcness> thats fucking AWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE E
<@Arkangel> YEAHHHHHHHHHHH
<@Arkangel> WRITE ALL IN CAPS LIKE AN INSUFFERABLE ASSHOLE HAKU
<@Arkangel> SHOW YOUR ENTHUSIASM
<&Arcness> I CAME
<&Arcness> IN MY PANTS
<&Arcness> WHEN I READ THAT
<&Arcness> OH HELLS YA
<@Arkangel> I KNOW
<@Arkangel> SHIT'S AWESOME
<@Arkangel> ALL I NEED NOW IS ATARAXIA IN ANIME AND I CAN DIE HAPPY
<&Arcness> LOL
<&Arcness> YA
<&Arcness> IAM WRITING IN CAPS FOR THE NEXT FEW MINUTES
<&Arcness> DUE TO THIS HUGE ERECTION I HAVE GOING ON FOR FATE ZERO

<&Arcness> I THINK EVERY FATE FAN CAME THE MOMENT THEY READ THIS NEWS


I think that sums up my reaction, and I believe I handled it quite well thank you.

[RyougaZell]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-21/fate/zero-novel-gets-anime

I came with the force of 1000 burning stars

Awesome news. Nice to see a good post from you for a change :p

[Kraco]

Very interesting indeed. Let's hope it's not a movie this time. While I enjoyed the UBW film, it was only due to knowing the story well than enough from the game and thus I could treat it as extra material. This time I'm mostly not familiar with the material, so I would appreciate a somewhat less cruelly abridged version.

The director was involved with Kara no Kyoukai and Ga-Rei Zero, so he might do decent work.

[Buffalobiian]

Does this mean we get loli-Rin?

[TheBladeChild]

*faints*

[Xelbair]

I need more buckets...
It is just so awesome. Just as Arcness posted - we now just need ataraxia..

[Munsu]

Downloading the movie now, hopefully it'll be a good one. I think it deserved to have it's own thread, I guess it's a bit late now.

I'm not jizzing my pants with the mention of Zero, since I don't know shit about it, but i'll take the word of you guys for it. More Fate is always welcomed.

[Buffalobiian]

Downloading the movie now, hopefully it'll be a good one. I think it deserved to have it's own thread, I guess it's a bit late now.

I'm not jizzing my pants with the mention of Zero, since I don't know shit about it, but i'll take the word of you guys for it. More Fate is always welcomed.

I'm guessing you've seen the FSN TV run, but not played the game?

I really can't say how much you'd enjoy this then, since I would expect it to be rather confusing to you, and lack substance as a piece of story-telling.

It's less of a movie and more about "animating as much material with a high budget as possible in 2hrs".

[Munsu]

I'm guessing you've seen the FSN TV run, but not played the game?

I really can't say how much you'd enjoy this then, since I would expect it to be rather confusing to you, and lack substance as a piece of story-telling.

It's less of a movie and more about "animating as much material with a high budget as possible in 2hrs".

I'm pretty sure I'll be more than fine, I doubt I will be confused.

[Archangel]

If you only watched the tv series and haven't read any spoilers i think you're overestimating yourself

Still it was beautifully animated so it is still a good watch if you're a fan of mindless battle shounens

[Deadfire]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-21/fate/zero-novel-gets-anime

I came with the force of 1000 burning stars

Nice, very nice indeed.

I really would like to see how it will be done.

[Archangel]

Nice, very nice indeed.

I really would like to see how it will be done.

Personally i'm hoping for a series of OVAs, i can't help but feel a movie would suffer from lack of time and a tv series would suffer from lack of budget

[Buffalobiian]

Personally i'm hoping for a series of OVAs, i can't help but feel a movie would suffer from lack of time and a tv series would suffer from lack of budget

Aside from those to reasons, I was thinking that a TV series would have the opposite effect of a movie and stretch things out too thinly. Is there enough material for 13 episodes?

[Marik]

The official website for the Fate/Zero television anime series began streaming the first 80-second promotional video on Monday. A version of this promotional video was shown during last week's Machi Asobi event in Tokushima, Japan, but the online version has additional changes.

The anime adapts the prequel novel by Gen Urobuchi (Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Phantom - The Animation, Blassreiter) to Type-Moon's Fate/stay night visual novel software. The story is set a decade before Fate/stay night and reveals the 4th Holy Grail War that sets the stage for the war in the software. Director Ei Aoki (Hourou Musuko, Ga-Rei: Zero, Girls Bravo), the anime studio ufotable, and composer Yuki Kajiura (Madoka Magica, .hack, Kara no Kyoukai) are all involved in this anime which will premiere this October


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l4EgT4ZNxc

Stream on the official website. (http://www.fate-zero.jp/movies/index.html)

[Kraco]

That was loli Rin, wasn't it? At 1:29. My fanboy o'meter might get stuck on the red zone after this show. But since it's Rin, red is fine.

[Buffalobiian]

That was loli Rin, wasn't it? At 1:29. My fanboy o'meter might get stuck on the red zone after this show. But since it's Rin, red is fine.

Officially "All characters in FSN are over the age of 18", so 18 - 10 = loli (QC passed). Yes, that was loli Rin.

Saber in a suit was something I forgot about, and that was pretty tasty.

[shinta|hikari]

I hate to repeat what has already been said but...

Loli Rin + Suit Saber = MOE DEATH

[Archangel]

...am i the only one looking forward to the battles and not the girls? You people are the cancer killing the anime industry.

[NeoCybercoin]

I for one am also looking forward to the battles. Too bad we already know how it is all gonna end. Then again that is only the end battle that we know off. No idea how the rest goes.

[Kraco]

...am i the only one looking forward to the battles and not the girls? You people are the cancer killing the anime industry.

The PV didn't really have much in the way of battles to discuss. Besides, the original game was a bloody dating sim, although a most excellent one, but one nonetheless... So, talking about the girls should be highly relevant by any reckoning.

[Buffalobiian]

...am i the only one looking forward to the battles and not the girls? You people are the cancer killing the anime industry.

I thought the cancer killing the anime industry was the underwhelming DVD/BD sales from people who are unwilling to pay for intellectual property. Much like yourself.

Counter-taunt aside, I'm with Kraco here. We see battle, we discuss battle. We see chicks,.. well, we do other stuff. For those who don't know terribly much about the plot of Fate/Zero like myself, the only point of discussion at this time would be about any recurring characters from FSN.

[David75]

Reviving a more than dead thread, I just finished watching UBW.
They really should have made it in 2 90 minutes OVAs or movies.
Even with all those awesome scenes, the trimming was so intense it's just a collection of scenes and certainly not a movie with a story and scenario. That trimming was so intense that even some awesome scenes felt empty, like the Kojiro/Saber fight conclusion.
The only positive about it, is that is set the minimum requirements for the Fate/Zero series we now have.
Fate/Zero has better effects, better story since they have time, so eventhough UBW is like that, I'm happy they've been able to take it to an even better step.

[Kraco]

Seems like Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya (http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=19408) will be getting an anime.

"A COMPTIQ & Comp Ace advertisement on page 228 of the April issue of Kadokawa Shoten's COMPTIQ magazine revealed on Saturday that an anime adaptation of Hiroshi Hiroyama's Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya manga has been green-lit. " -ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-11/fate/kaleid-liner-prisma-illya-manga-gets-anime)

I stopped reading the manga, but I'll have a look at the anime, should the plans become a reality. It's a wacky story, but on the other hand, Carnival Phantasm surely paved the way already on that front.

[Buffalobiian]

The story doesn't sell it much.. but Ilya and Rin sure do. At the very least I'll check it out, that's for sure.

[Kraco]

The story doesn't sell it much.. but Ilya and Rin sure do. At the very least I'll check it out, that's for sure.

It's basically a totally different story reusing the old characters.

[Archangel]

It's basically really really stupid.

I'll watch a couple of eps though, for the lulz.

[Munsu]

Reviving a more than dead thread, I just finished watching UBW.
They really should have made it in 2 90 minutes OVAs or movies.
Even with all those awesome scenes, the trimming was so intense it's just a collection of scenes and certainly not a movie with a story and scenario. That trimming was so intense that even some awesome scenes felt empty, like the Kojiro/Saber fight conclusion.
The only positive about it, is that is set the minimum requirements for the Fate/Zero series we now have.
Fate/Zero has better effects, better story since they have time, so eventhough UBW is like that, I'm happy they've been able to take it to an even better step.

Just watched Unlimited Blood Works, and these are pretty much my sentiments. The story didn't feel like it progressed naturally, giving that empty feel you mention. Still despite story/direction problems, the fights were cool to see, though at times lacking in the tension department.

In all, a fun one time watch, yet disappointing for what it could have been. Since my only experience in the Fate world is through the animes, at the very least it was nice to see a better background/understanding of the Archer and Shirou relationship, which was hinted at and only confirmed by non-anime watchers, but never truely developed at that point.

Will watching Fate/Zero soon hopefully.

[Archangel]

I'd advise playing the Heaven's Feel route in the visual novel before watching Fate Zero though.

[Kraco]

ANN posted some news (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-27/new-fate/stay-night-anime-by-ufotable-previewed-in-teaser-video) on the next Type-Moon anime project that was announced some time ago. Not overly concrete news as it's just a teaser with half of it flashbacks from Fate/Zero, but the teaser makes it pretty obviously it's going to be Fate/Stay Night in some form. The teaser does have parts that might suggest Ryllharu's wish is coming true, that is, Heaven's Feel, but I suppose we will have to wait and see. Naturally I won't name those parts due to the spoiler rules.

[David75]

Will Censorship tolerate that?

[Ryllharu]

I'm skeptical on HF possibilities. That was footage of ufotable's PSVita remake of FSN[Realta Nua], the animated OP to the HF route (http://youtu.be/Cp3EfuYJ9d8) (HF spoilers, obviously). Actually, a lot of that video was.

The whole video was old stuff. I suspect they're just redoing the FSN anime properly, adding in scenes from HF to tie it to F/Z. F/Z spoiled most of the character development reveals in HF anyway. They'll remove the bad UBW/HF hacked together Caster arc from the original anime, and complete with the Fate route.

Most of the associated text with the announcement leads me to believe they want to redo it. It was from 2006 after all. F/Z was popular, and they don't want to have fans returning to that mediocre animated version if they don't want to play one of the game versions.

edit:
Maybe we'll luck out. It'll be the mystical Illya arc.

[Kraco]

Maybe we'll luck out. It'll be the mystical Illya arc.

Haha, yeah, Shinta's wish come true.

Well, good to know about those video details. It's naturally easier to believe they would just go with a proper Fate route. On the other hand, you never know with Type-Moon. Whatever it is, I'll be sure to watch it happily and eagerly, even HF.

[Ryllharu]

Get your mind out of the gutter! The "Illya Normal ending" (a joke, the similarly cut Tsukihime Sacchan route's Normal End leads to Melty Blood) leads to Fate/Hollow ataraxia.

ufotable is planning to make loads of money this way.

[NeoCybercoin]

It would be great to see Heavens Feel animated but maybe that's a future project after this renewed FS/N

[David75]

I thought we had enough Illiya with the spinoff last time :D

[Ryllharu]

Aside from a magical girl alternate reality, Illya could use a full arc. Her involvement in the three routes is well...you know.

Poor girl gets an even worse life than Sakura, generally speaking.

[Buffalobiian]

Well if they make a HF anime, then at least I'll finally finisht he storyline. I started HF 4 years ago and I still haven't managed to finish it for some reason.

[Kraco]

Looks like the UBW series (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-07-27/new-fate-stay-night-tv-anime-is-unlimited-blade-works/.77058) will be divided in two like Fate Zero was. This autumn and the next spring. I'd say it's reasonable to expect the production values to be comparable, which might be the reason why they can't push it out in single cour: not enough men to draw the frames in time.

This means the funniest scene in all of FSN won't be seen before the spring next year! Unlike in the movie, I dare say there's no chance of it not being included. Even Nasu must be chuckling proudly when remembering it.

In any case, few Type Moon news would make me happier than a proper UBW series. Rin FTW!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spseKv7jtmY

[Ryllharu]

UBW? Blegh. Route for bros.

Rider getting the respect she deserves, Sparks Liner High, and Nine Bullet Revolver never :(


edit:

http://youtu.be/3X7JEFF9mvs

Yeah... spoke too soon. I'll take a movie. Especially a ufotable movie.

Would obviously prefer two or three movies like Madoka, but I'll take what I can get.

[NeoCybercoin]

Fuck yeah Heaven's Feel.

[MasterOfMoogles]

I always felt like Heaven's Feel was the worst arc, though honestly I don't remember it too well. I hope ufotable knows what they're doing... They did pretty darn good with Zero, though.

[shinta|hikari]

Ufotable is the best anime studio currently, particularly in terms of animation quality and action. I just wonder how all the content in HF will fit into a movie. I don't want another UBW trailer.

[NeoCybercoin]

Yeah, HF is pretty long and complex if I recall correctly. It felt like the longest route to me. Then again it has been a loooong time since I've played the game. A series of HF would be better, content-wise

[Kraco]

After the fiasco with the UBW movie that's now being fixed with a full series, you'd think they wouldn't try the exact same thing again. My gut feeling is as well that HF was the longest of the routes, although since I liked it the least, it might have just felt like that. Maybe they will do a series of a few movies.

[shinta|hikari]

A movie series makes sense. I hope that is what it is.

[NeoCybercoin]

That would be great yeah but it would also take so damn long to release. But it would look best.

[Ryllharu]

A lot of HF material gets mitigated by F/Z.

HF is peppered with a number of very long expositions about Sakura and the Tohsakas, what actually happened during the previous Grail War (instead of the twisted versions of UBW and limited viewpoints of Fate), Kotomine's past, how Illya fits into all this, and detailed cooking sequences (which contrast sharply with the rest of the horror going on outside the house).

A lot of that got covered by F/Z, so they can abbreviate a fair amount of exposition in exchange for reduced reveals.

HF is actually one and a half routes. Sakura's and Illya's shoehorned on from obvious budget cuts (like Sacchin before her).

[Xelbair]

Being UBW-tard i am happy with proper UBW series.

Ryll - i still think that HF movie might be rushed a bit - even with that.

[Buffalobiian]

Or, history repeats itself.. we get a HF movie, then a HF series a few years later.

Currently I'm just hoping for a re-release of this:

http://myfigurecollection.net/item/26700

[Ryllharu]

You mean a re-re-release.

This is why it is better to own HF figurines! I can get them for cheap.

[Buffalobiian]

You mean a re-re-release.

This is why it is better to own HF figurines! I can get them for cheap.

Yes, re-re-release. I'm hoping for the finish to be glossy like the first edition actually. It would take a little getting used to, but it also gave the figure life.

[Kraco]

HF is going to be three movies - ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-03-27/fate-stay-night-heaven-feel-film-project-is-trilogy-starting-in-2017/.100348).

I suppose after the UBW movie they already saw during the planning phases of HF that it wouldn't work as a single film. Ryll ought to rejoice.

[shinta|hikari]

There is also a Fate/Extra anime (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-03-27/fate-extra-game-gets-tv-anime-in-2017/.100347) announced far into the future. I'm looking forward to sexy Saber and her Card Captor voice.

[NeoCybercoin]

Interesting to see Fate/Extra done by a different studio. Makes sense since ufotable has their hands full with Heavens Feel.

[Buffalobiian]

Now I'll have to re-start Heaven's Feel for the 3rd time and try to finish it so that the movies will make sense.

They'll skip something. They always do.

[NeoCybercoin]

I think they can cover most of it in 3 movies.

[Buffalobiian]

Except the sex scenes. Maybe 3D Tigers this time?

Plus they'll only do one route.

[shinta|hikari]

I'd recommend just going straight into the movie and then playing the VN after if you're not satisfied.

But this will finish many years from now, so who cares.

[shinta|hikari]

http://www.crunchyroll.com/todays-menu-for-the-emiya-family

WTF?

[NeoCybercoin]

Only watch this if you want to see more of happy Saber eating.

[David75]

First eps were exactly that.
Nothing more to expect.

[shinta|hikari]

Huh? Did you guys completely miss the informative cooking sections?? The animation on those scenes are better than most series nowadays.

Or do you just don't cook?

[David75]

I do, but it's nothing more than summarised cooking/scenes, so I wonder who thinks they can cook after watching this...

[shinta|hikari]

That depends on the person watching.

I can already cook most of those dishes, but his tips are things I haven't tried before and are quite useful. He even specified the thickness of the kamaboko down to the millimeter lol.

[David75]

Well, that's the techno level we have had for a long time in anime, like sport anime. But as you said, you need to know about what they show you. Then you feel it's nice and might fuel some imagination/creativity/will to try, but it won't help you getting good at it.
It's only anime after all ;)

[Kraco]

I watch that because it reminds me of Fate Hollow Ataraxia. Might be the closest thing to an Ataraxia anime we will ever get...

[Kraco]

Episode 4 was a bit more lowkey than the ones before, I'd say, but the after credits scene was subtly funny.

[Ryllharu]

He shouldn't be surprised. She's more of a soup/stew kind of cook.

I've also read she's pretty good at butchery, breaking down large members of the animal kingdom, and roasts.

[Kraco]

Episode 5


- - - - - - -

For the whole duration of this ep I felt like Sakura sounded different than in the other Fate series/games. Maybe the VA was the same, though. At least sites say she is. Perhaos it's the different atmosphere only making me hear things.

I have some preserved bamboo slices in my cupboard. I ought to make something random and use them, just like happened in this episode.

[shinta|hikari]

Use them in a green or red thai curry.

[Ryllharu]

For the whole duration of this ep I felt like Sakura sounded different than in the other Fate series/games.
She sounded the same to me. Maybe it is because you simply forgot how Shitaya Noriko sounds because almost none of the franchise shows her outside of Heaven's Feel.

If anyone, Issei finally didn't sound like a 35 year old man playing a high schooler.

edit:
I'm a bit baffled by the way Sakura tied her apron though...
I mean, it seems like the same way anyone would do it, but it just looks super weird. Or unnaturally smooth. Maybe because you can see it? Usually it is behind one's back and not visible.

[NeoCybercoin]

So Heaven's Feel part 1 is out.
Have to say I am enjoying this more than UWB because this is a completely different route. The only similar thing is the first encounter but the movie just shows that quickly as a intro. Now we just have to wait a long time for the release of part 2.

[Kraco]

It was quite a good first movie, with production values as high as expected. I noticed I remembered surprisingly little of the Sakura route. One thing to mention is I didn't remember Saber's defeat to be so anticlimactic, even to the point of being out of screen, but maybe it was. It's impossible for me to enjoy HF more than UBW, being a Rin fan, but it'll be interesting. At least Sakura is totally different compared to Saber and Rin.

[NeoCybercoin]

It's hard not to be a Rin fan. Especially liked that stair scene where she when she was all commanding but broke down so fast when he walked at her with determination. Also that scene where Emiya gets hit by Berserker...I think that was the more gruesome way he ever got hit in all the routes.

[Kraco]

Emiya cooking ep 6


- - -- - -


This episode was made just to show how Taiga has been utterly useless since day 1. Child or adult, she is a total waste of skin. In fact if you think about it, she could pretty much be an imaginary friend, and nothing much would change. That's how much she contributes to the functionality of the household. It's unbelievable she even had the audacity to come and eat food cooked by a little kid, not to mention she was nothing but a distraction during the shopping trip as well. It's like Shirou is the older one of those two.

[Kraco]

Emiya cooking ep 11


- -- -- - -



I suppose there could be other interpretations of it, but I reckon in the end Shirou doesn't want to be compared to Archer and especially doesn't want to appear any worse in comparison. Archer himself was quite amiable in this episode.

[KrayZ33]

Was there a Heaven's feel thread?
Anyway.... I guess the last one released a (few) week(s?) ago.

At some point in time, I'll have to watch all 3 back to back again.
The eye candy is out of this world.

[neflight86]

Oh, did it? I've been waiting for all three movies to watch Heaven's feel. Will report back.

[Munsu]

Was there a Heaven's feel thread?


Don't recall such a thread.

[Ryllharu]

And it was completely worth the very long wait, for Nine Bullet Revolver and Burst/Burst Out done right.

Additionally, a proper portrayal of Dark Sakura, also done exceedingly well on both the animation and voice acting aspects, instead of the catatonic bondage fake version in the now-ancient tv series.

Ambitious, paranoid, observant, wounded, ruthless, forlorn, calculating, and infatuated all at once in a jumble of finally letting loose for the first time in her entire life.

[shinta|hikari]

Medusa is the best servant.










Eat pegas-ass, Alteria.

[Buffalobiian]

Just watched HF 1-3 over the last 3 days. I did play some HF VN many years ago, but stopped for various reasons twice. I never got far. I don't think I even saw True Assassin much. Can't remember if Lancer died.

As for the movies, overall impression is very positive. I can tell that little bits and pieces weren't covered in great detail, but I don't mind.

I'd say Presage Flower and Lost Butterfly are about on par (the year-montage was great). Spring Song was enjoyable, but to me it felt more like a conclusion than a climax.

Maybe I'll go back to the game to finish it, but I've been saying that for the past 10 years and I still never got around to it.

[Ryllharu]

Maybe I'll go back to the game to finish it, but I've been saying that for the past 10 years and I still never got around to it.
Heaven's Feel is without doubt the best arc overall. Even the Bad Ends are increasingly elaborate compared to the Fate and UBW routes.

It's revelation after revelation and an outright info dump at times.

UBW may be more personally satisfying for Rin, Shirou, and Archer fans, but in HF we learn more about Saber (in many of the bad ends), Rin, Illya, Kotomine, and the Nasuverse world at large than in any other arc, even when you put aside Sakura, Rider, and the Matou household.

It has less of an impact these days because Fate Zero spoils a lot of the biggest secrets, but it's all great stuff.

Maybe in a decade we'll get a completed Fate/Hollow Ataraxia.

[Buffalobiian]

HF does feel like the intended real ending, that's for sure.

I enjoyed the movies at least on par with UBW VN and way more than the other adaptations aside from F/Z.