Blood+

[Kraco]

Solomon died in the alley? Right after that one fight. He met Amshel there, but Amshel didn't even need to do anything, before Solomon turned into stone. I think that was a pretty clear scene. Maybe Diva's chevaliers every now and then were saved from that fate, like James, but it required some vats, replacement bodyparts, Diva's blood, and other things not available without Amshel and Diva's blessing. I doubt Solomon received such treatment after his betrayal.

Nathan said he was Diva's chevalier just before Saya killed him. Of course he could have lied, but I see no reason for that. Why would a man lie about such things just before he got killed willingly?

[Nai]

Solomon died in the alley? Right after that one fight. He met Amshel there, but Amshel didn't even need to do anything, before Solomon turned into stone. I think that was a pretty clear scene.
I guess. It just didn't seem particularly conclusive. We never saw Solomon actually die, we just saw his limbs shatter and then the marks on his chin as Amshel held him. That is what irks me. We've seen every Chevalier die clearly except Solomon and arguably Nathan as he fell down that hole after being sliced in two.

I'd still like to know why they focused so much on Amshel leaving his ring behind before his final fight with Haji as well. It was something that really stood out to me as the ring in the past was what clearly marked him out when he took on other forms. Then again, maybe I'm over analyzing out of hope that there's more to it.


Nathan said he was Diva's chevalier just before Saya killed him. Of course he could have lied, but I see no reason for that. Why would a man lie about such things just before he got killed willingly?
But how did he possess as much knowledge as he did if he was even younger than Amshel? He knew that Diva's blood would lose its potential to kill Saya after she gave birth and yet Amshel and other Chevaliers seemed completely unaware of this. Hell, even Diva herself was taken by shock when she realized it had no effect on Saya. Another thing worth pondering is his threat towards Amshel in which he insinuated being a much older Chevalier.

[Darknodin]

Nathan said he was Diva's chevalier just before Saya killed him. Of course he could have lied, but I see no reason for that. Why would a man lie about such things just before he got killed willingly?

i'm not saying he lied... he was Diva's chevalier... but he might have been Miru's Chevalier before that and for whatever reason switched. then he thought it had been fun and let himself be killed.

[masamuneehs]

lots of good discussion going on here.

Nathan... wtf? I got my hopes up too, that he'd be a Chevalier from before Saya and Diva, but it seems not to be. He got cut pretty good, and I felt he was dead gone. Nai is right, it's a friggin huge plot hole that he'd know Diva would lose her potency after bearing children but Amschel did not know. I mean, the one guy friggin studied her for over 100 years, and the other one (a theatre queen) figures it out and doesn't tell anyone?

At first I thought Solomon wasn't dead, but it's fairly clear he didn't make it out of that alley. They could have given him more air time on his send-off though...

What makes everyone so sure that Amschel is dead? I'm not sure why (maybe it's just hoping there will be more action in this show), but I don't believe he's done yet. Yeah he got owned pretty royally (BS fight btw, but good animation), but part of me doesn't want to accept that the final episode will really be a bunch of melodrama.

...but part of me knows it will be... Saya won't kill the kids. Haji loves her so he won't mind if she breaks the promise, and Kai will be the one screaming and yelling about how it doesn't matter that she has dracula blood, that she can be just as human as anyone else. And of course it'll work for the happy ending.

I certainly thought David, or at least Joel, would be sacrificial pieces towards the end. But even Lewis and Lulu look like they're going to make it...

Body count for the good guys:
Riku, George, all the damn Schiff (minus Lulu) and some Red Shield people that never lasted longer than two episodes... That's pretty low, especially when you consider there was nothing to help the Schiff, and most of them died before becoming good guys really...

Last loose end to clear up is Van Argeno and the Americans. That subplot always seemed pretty hazy, and ultimately it looks like they were all just patsies for Amschel. Aside from getting those Corpse Corp for the Schif to fight they really didn't have any affect on the story at all (as Amschel would have probably engineered something anyway, albeit with different partys involved)...

edit - rewatched the opening of the fight with Amschel. He lands first, suggesting he lead Haji down there for a reason.

Right before Hagi lands we see a mannequin with a blue dress flapping from the force of the two, and then Haji materializes next to it. Haji lunges, Amschel counters, the two switch sides. Haji throws a knife and Amschel shoots a fireball to block it, remaining on his side. They talk.

After Haji transforms Amschel asks "Does it take decapitation or total incenaration to kill a Chevalier?" While taking off his ring.

A quick shot of Haji.

A slow pan focusing on the mannequin. Amschel laughs and says that he must transform. Camera stays focused on the mannequin while Amschel's hand puts the ring inside. The second he puts it down he turns to fight.

Maybe I'm looking into this too much. But Amschel leading Hagi down there, taking measures to be next to the mannequin before the fight gets serious, and his question, plus the symbol of the mannequin "the fake body" all seem to be screaming that something is amiss here. It's still a wild theory, but I think Amschel is not dead.

[Kraco]

But how did he possess as much knowledge as he did if he was even younger than Amshel? He knew that Diva's blood would lose its potential to kill Saya after she gave birth and yet Amshel and other Chevaliers seemed completely unaware of this. Hell, even Diva herself was taken by shock when she realized it had no effect on Saya. Another thing worth pondering is his threat towards Amshel in which he insinuated being a much older Chevalier.

That's certainly a good point. And no real answers from the show, which makes it an excellent question. Of course it could be the truth that Nathan was just a show man with always an answer for everything, and when Saya didn't die, Nathan just cooked up that kind of answer to give. After all, there had to be some reason why Diva was turned into stone, and Saya wasn't. Personally I wouldn't immediately even count out this kind of answer, because it's something I do, myself, from time to time (not turn to stone but just throw in wild guesses as answers when nobody else has any better ones to give)... >_>

I took that scene where Amshel lists the ways how chevalier can be killed as a kind of cheap prelude to his death scene. It's true it was a strange fight after all the scenes where Amshel had been made to look so strong, but when he first mentions a chevalier can be killed by incenaration and later he gets roasted, I took that as a confirmed death. One reason being the series ends with the next episode and a queenless chevalier can't really do anything, anymore, except count the stars in the sky for all eternity.

[darkmetal505]

The only thing that doesn't make sense is: if Nathan was a Chevalier before Saya's or Diva's time, how did Saya's blood kill him?

Maybe the next generation's blood can kill previous ones? That's why Amschel removed the babies from Diva, rather than having them be born through the natural process. If I'm correct, I remember him pulling the eggs out of the stomach of Saya and Diva's mother.

[Kraco]

Maybe the next generation's blood can kill previous ones? That's why Amschel removed the babies from Diva, rather than having them be born through the natural process. If I'm correct, I remember him pulling the eggs out of the stomach of Saya and Diva's mother.

Ah! Man, do I feel myself stupid... Only now did it occur to me why Diva's blood lost its potency: It was a natural reaction so that she could carry the twins. If she still had been dangerous to the other queen, she would have very likely killed one of the two babies during the pregnancy. So, it was a perfectly resonable and logical thing that her blood wasn't anymore poisonous.

[mr3vi1m0nk3y]

http://shinsen.b33r.net/%5BShinsen-Subs%5D_Blood%2B_50_%5B6B9892C8%5D.avi.torrent

the last eps of blood+. one of my favorite series is now over with a more than worth ending. man i hope they have some OVA's to show what happened to everyone else

[Death13a]

Truly great anime with very well done ending that is satisfying and leaves good space for ova/movie. Well running out of Great animes to watch...

[Kraco]

Ah. yes. It was a good ending. Can't really say a sad one, quite the contrary, but in the end a series like this can surely use a happy ending. It was such a long struggle for the characters in it.

Hmm... Kai will already be an old geezer when Saya next time wakes up. I wonder how lonely an old geezer, though. Apparently the twins may stay awake for a good while when they are growing up, but eventually they will join Saya in the tomb.

But yes, it's quite sad this series is finally over. With 50 episodes, it was always there for a good long while.

[darkshadow]

Great conclusion of a great series, if there is ever gonna be an ova, i hope the same guy will direct it.

[NeoCybercoin]

Sweet! So Nathan really was their mother's Chevalier. Or Auntie Chevalier. Anyway I think it was a good ending.I still wanna know what happens to Nathan now.

[Board of Command]

Nathan shouldn't have survived. He was clearly killed and petrified in the previous episode and it doesn't matter how powerful he is because he died and that's that.

[Knives122]

(asking without watching the ep) So let me get this straight, the reason why Saya's blood didn't work on Nathan was b/c she was the child of the queen that gave her blood to him?

[Board of Command]

But it did work. He was turned to stone.

[Knives122]

Well like I said I haven't seen the ep yet, so I was making an educated guess.(waits for ep to dl)

[xDarkMaster]

I thought the ending was rather...bad. I mean, it went against so many things that were already established. How many people came back to life that shouldn't have? And since when could Saya do the cool super-fast moving thing? There were just too many things that seemed to be just stuck in there for me.

Over all it was a good show though.

[NeoCybercoin]

Board I watched 49 again you dont see him turn to stone and break apart. You only see a close up on his Chevalier form thats falling back and then you just hear the sound of him hitting the ground. And that sound wasnt liket the sound of him breaking apart.

And yeah I am wondering how Saya could move so fast all of tge sudden.

[Board of Command]

I thought the ending was rather...bad. I mean, it went against so many things that were already established. How many people came back to life that shouldn't have? And since when could Saya do the cool super-fast moving thing? There were just too many things that seemed to be just stuck in there for me.

Over all it was a good show though.
I agree. Haji is the one character that should have died for good, otherwise it just contradicts what Kai was preaching to her.

[mr3vi1m0nk3y]

Ah. yes. It was a good ending. Can't really say a sad one, quite the contrary, but in the end a series like this can surely use a happy ending. It was such a long struggle for the characters in it.

Hmm... Kai will already be an old geezer when Saya next time wakes up. I wonder how lonely an old geezer, though. Apparently the twins may stay awake for a good while when they are growing up, but eventually they will join Saya in the tomb.

But yes, it's quite sad this series is finally over. With 50 episodes, it was always there for a good long while.

didnt they mention that saya and diva only sleep for 7 years or am i just getting that mixed up?

[Knives122]

No they said 30 quite often in the show.

But at least Haji survived, he was my favorite character so it's good to see that the production team can even make loss of limb and getting crushed seem survivable.

[Kraco]

With Diva dead and her blood out of enzymes, there isn't much that could kill Haji. So in that sense, assuming he didn't get incinerated in the "terrorist" attack by the bomber, it's only logical he stayed alive.

[Board of Command]

They sleep for about 35 years.

[darkmetal505]

I really wanted Saya to end her life, it would at least complete her saga. I expected the babies to stay alive though.

The fact that Nathan is still alive makes my earlier prediction possible, but I had ruled it out. Did it show him getting all stony and cracked when he died?

[Death13a]

well i hope they will put ending movie since it started from movie.

[dragonrage]

Well all good things must come to an end, and end it certainly did. This series was a really good one, the storyline was amazingly well structured and it flowed so damn beautfully. It was a emotional roller coaster, at times it felt that it was a bit too much to take but you just couldn't stay away.

The last 10 episodes revealed so much and it held so much sadness. It literally drained all of your emotions from you and you couldn't help getting wrapped up in it.

It is sad that Saya actually wanted to die, believing that her existance was not wanted. I guess feeling/being responsible for alot of misery that was cause by her actions would do that to anyone. But I am definitely happy that it was decided for her that she should live.

It was awsome that Haji didn't die, after all he is her oldest, strongest and most trusted foundation stone for living. For all of time he has been there looking out and standing by her, loving and supporting her, it would have been cruel if at the end he was to die.

As for the question why Amsel was a bit cautious of Nathan. It is not necessarily ture that Amsel was Diva's first chivalier, after all he is a reseacher/ scientist. It is only natural that he would have someone else test things out before trying it. Also he said it himself "and finally i became her chivalier", the closest bound that he could share "supreme love".

Nathan's history in unknown but it can be said that he is if not the oldest, certain one of the oldest of chivaliers. But I believe that he was the first. Also if you look at episode 49 carefully Saya's eyes were normal, remember when he blood is active her eye's seems that light is coming out from it. Without it being active it is nothing more than ordinary blood. Remember this was explained earlier in the series, possibilly this is how he survived.


This was definitely one of my favorite new series, it was a work of art. It was filled with alot of sadness, but it is beautiful. It almsot brought me to tears. It was definitely a very harsh anime, emotionally that is, but I am glad that it ended with a hopeful future.

[Nai]

I knew that Nathan had to survive. It would just have been poor to let that flamboyant fucker die like like a filthy peasant. I was also glad to see Amshel return... then I was sad as he did a fucking Fu Chen ( <3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Alceste/SexyFuu.jpg) ) by getting more or less instantly owned by Mr. Apathy. However, it was all good since he at least brought a protagonist down with him... or so I thought until it was revealed that Haji pulled a Kira ( I laugh at the concept of death (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Alceste/SurviveThis.jpg) ) by somehow escaping the infernal carnage. At that point I was just infuriated by yet another instance of nonsensical preservation of a fan favorite. Cease mocking the reaper, fools!

All in all a good anime. However, I wish they had a taken a few more liberties and strayed from the recipe by killing off more good guys. But whatever, at least Riku died horribly and got raped on top of that. That's more than you can ask from most animes so my wicked heart shall be content.

Did it show him getting all stony and cracked when he died?
Nope, he just fell down that hole after having been sliced in two by Super Saya. A pretty durable guy if you ask me.

[kAi]

Another great series comes to an end, time to burn 8GB+ off my HDD.

This was a great series throughout the entire 50 episodes. The characters were well done, the story was great.

I agree with dragonrage about her eyes not being lit up and that being the reason for Nathan living, I was suprised when I saw him alive. As for Haji, I wasn't suprised at all, I was expecting it, I knew he wasn't going to die, especially after the remark Kai said to Saya.

[Animeniax]

Hey kai, why is it ok for you to revive this dead topic, but you gave me the business when I revived that other topic about Blood+? Seems like a double standard to me.

Anyway, I'm on episode 20 something of this terrible terrible series, and I can't find the will to continue watching it. I wanted so much to like the series because everyone I know said it was good, but it's not. Everything about this series sucks except for the first episode. After that, it's all downhill with lots of obnoxious characters, over-done subject matter, and a weak storyline. I mean, can you honestly say you liked Riku or Kai, or any of the very girly bad guys, or Saya or Diva?? Terrible terrible series and I will clear 8+ GB from my drives and destroy the DVDs of this tripe too.

[kAi]

It hasn't even been a month since the last post in this topic, I wouldn't call that dead, you are just an idiot and revive age old threads and post nothing into it.

You revived a thread that-
1. Hasn't been posted in for 5+ months.
2. Blood+ has ALREADY had it's own forum, but it has been taken away.
3. Hence, that topic is obsolete.

But you bring it back and call it double standards?


On topic, I guess you have your own taste of shit, I liked Kai, although early on he was a little annoying, I liked Saya's attitude after she left and came back in a new outfit.

[Yukimura]

Finally finished this over the weekend. I'm happy with how it ended...mainly b/c Haji lived and constantly proved his badassness with every opportunity, which was my only requirement since everything else was either obvious as to how it would happen or not all that important to me. Saya's life or death for instance wasn't that importnat as she still would have gone to sleep for so long it wouldn't matter. I was happy to see Kai raising the daughters for some reason, even though I didn't really think about how the daughters would fit into the end at all.

Nathan faking his death to give Saya peace of mind was nice of him and also cemented the theory that he was a leftover from Saya and Diva's mothers time (or earlier) that was just watching over their generation to make sure the species reproduced. Haji keeping his distance from Kai was kindof cool, since he felt that he represented a different side to Saya's life that was incompatible with what Kai offered her. It's too bad the daughters won't get to interact with him, but he'd probably bore them after a while anyway.

[Animeniax]

It hasn't even been a month since the last post in this topic, I wouldn't call that dead, you are just an idiot and revive age old threads and post nothing into it.

You revived a thread that-
1. Hasn't been posted in for 5+ months.
2. Blood+ has ALREADY had it's own forum, but it has been taken away.
3. Hence, that topic is obsolete.

But you bring it back and call it double standards?


On topic, I guess you have your own taste of shit, I liked Kai, although early on he was a little annoying, I liked Saya's attitude after she left and came back in a new outfit.
My post was for a thread that was still on the first page of the section. Yours was for a thread from page 2 of its section. But whatever, you're the mod, so you know what's best :rolleyes: .

I liked seeing Kai get his ass kicked by David, then continue to make demands like he's the shit through the next 20 episodes. Each and every episode he was in, he was demanding to know what's going on and what's going to happen and that they do this or that. David gave him this concerned look a few times, but he should have just wailed on him some more. David could have used some ass-kickings too, but that's true for pretty much the entire cast of this show, plus anyone who liked this tripe of a show.

[miko24]

i just finished watching the series myself. MAN, it was FANTASTIC! I'm so glad Haji didn't die, if he did I would have been devestated since he was always so sweet and always ALWAYS there for her! *sighs* I hope they come out with blood+2 or something.. I wanna know what happens! Stupid anime left me hungry for more!
I wonder what's the Blood movie about though. I watched it and I couldnt really link anything to the anime. Like where's Haji? and stuff like that.. any ideas anybody?

[Darknodin]

Not sure if i asked this before.... i searched and couldn't find the answer but

what replaced Blood+ in that time slot?

[Yukimura]

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think it was replaced by any anime, at least according to the mahou anime showtimes site.

[lilphatboi88]

I just finished watching this series over the course of a weekend and I can understand where animeniax is coming from. The whole middle part of like episodes 5-30 were pretty bad. Then it got better.

And that is an interesting way of looking at how Nathan was Saya's and Diva's mother's Chevalier.

[xXAshuraXx]

I thought Nathan could've given us some insight on Saya and Diva's mother before his demise!