Sasuke VS Neji

[Jadugar]

UCHIHA SASUKE vs HYUGA NEJI


Hyuga Neji, a member of the Hykga Clan, the noblest clan and maybe the strongest in Konoha. He is considered a genius.

Sasuke comes from once very powerful Uchiha Clan. One of the most outstanding clans in Konoha village who formed police force. Sasuke is one of two known remaining survivors.

Who will survive? Both have deadly weapons like Sharingan and Byakugan.

My vote goes to Sasuke.

Voting Rules:

Be sure to say I vote for Sasuke. I mean Sasuke/Neji.
No vague comments.
Sasuke can use level 2 seal.
You are voting for the powerful of the two.
People are allowed to change their votes.

Let's start the match!


http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/4148/sasuke5uq.jpg........................VS........... ........http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/2766/neji6vp.jpg



UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 33
[ Barles, SFreedomZGMFx20a, chet_chetty, Mut@chi, AssertnFailure,Nests, XanBcoo,coud656, Phoenix20578, Shuurai, 6Zabuza9, Chaoskiddo, darkmetal505, Edort4, Ban Kai, Zein, masamuneehs, Aramis, KoKo37,God#2, Strifexgx, Sapphire, Ero-Fan, Deadfire, aznroyale, MASTA-OF-DISASTA, sevyfez, anphorus, miss190, ST_11, xDarkMaster, GreenBeast, drims ]

NEJI : 23
[DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda, Jurojin, Y, Kensee, elmojo, Tinks, iMUSTbeTHEdevil, UltxDarkRedXl, isso, Necromas, darkshadow, NineTailKitsu, dug88 ]

[drcitan]

hmmm that would be an awesome fight...Im gonna have to go with....well it depends becasue Nejis now a Jounin and we still haven't seen Sasuke in three years. But if your talking about the two during the chunnin exam(not the finals).......... Neji would win because I think he was faster than Sasuke and had more experience with his white eyes at the time.

After the three month training Sasuke has Chidori and increases his speed and Neji has Kaiten.......I'm tired of thinking someone finish this up for me

[heero]

A good question would be...could Kaiten stop Chidori? hmmm

[Assertn]

if sasuke can use his curse seal lv 2.....then definitely him

[XanBcoo]

I say he shouldn't be allowed to use it. That would be cheap and gay. But yeah, if he had that, he'd win, no contest.

Otherwise I think Neji would win, since he has the Kaiten for good defense, the 360 degree vision, and because he's a genious fighter.

After the 3 year gap, I think Sasuke's power would have increased dramatically, maybe even higher than Neji's. But I guess we'll find out.

[drcitan]

Speed wise does anyone thing Neji can handle Sasukes speed boost

[zait]

i think that chidori can go trough kaiten because in the naruto movie it went trough chackra armour and gai said that his hand becomes the sword that can cut trough everything

[basey44]

chidori would definately go through the kaiten, cos the kaiten is spinning chaka and nejis arms, so as the chidori goes in it slices through the chakra and nejis arms, actually i wouldnt mind seeing that i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Jadugar]

Of course Sasuke is allowed to use his level 2 curse seal. What about Neji? Hasnt he improved on his Kaiten in these three years and byakugan. After all sharingan evolved from byakugan.

Chidori is the only move that can cause problems for Neji. Sasuke has a better chance of winning against Neji.

[nests]

As much as I like Neji I think Sasuke will win not only does he have Chidori and the the cursed seal but now he also has the 3 dot sharingan

[kAi]

Originally posted by: drcitan
Speed wise does anyone thing Neji can handle Sasukes speed boost

He can beat Lee.
He's on the same team as Lee, and Gai is their sensei.

[Jaredster]

Pre-timejump: Lvl2 Sasuke could be Neji
Post-timejump: We don't know much about Sasuke and how much he has grown, but we do know Neji is now a Jounin.

[Jadugar]

Rank doent matter. Hell Naruto is still a genin.

[basey44]

neji was trained by his uncle who isnt really the strongest guy ever. sasuke was trained by orochimaru who is a sannin and knows like a billion jutsu, also sauke can use his sharingan to further his jutsu training by being able to copy them and learn them a lot faster

neji trained with distractions like becoming jounin and various other things such as friendship, sasuke trained with nothing else in mind but getting stronger, its just him oro and kabuto and i doubt they went on many picnics

[heero]

but Neji got that 64 hit thing and Ive never seen anyone dodge it once they got in his range...If that hit lands, sasuke cant use any chakra meaning he will definatly lose...Also, Neji is a close combat specialist so Sasuke charging into him with Chidori might not be a big deal. All he has to do is grab his arm to stop the attack. Itachi did that ezly so....

[XanBcoo]

Damn, this thread is really making me wanna see post-timejump Sasuke...

[Terracosmo]

Neji

[heero]

I would really like to see Neji doing that 64 hit thing on Sasuke and then Sasuke dodges each hit with his Sharingan seeing everything in slow motion o.O

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Neji

Word.



Originally posted by: basey44
neji was trained by his uncle who isnt really the strongest guy ever. sasuke was trained by orochimaru who is a sannin and knows like a billion jutsu, also sauke can use his sharingan to further his jutsu training by being able to copy them and learn them a lot faster

neji trained with distractions like becoming jounin and various other things such as friendship, sasuke trained with nothing else in mind but getting stronger, its just him oro and kabuto and i doubt they went on many picnics

Orochimaru just wants Sasuke for his Sharingan. He is using the child as a pawn until it can be used for Orochimaru's advantage. I don't see this as Sasuke being trained by him. Why would Orochimaru pump so much information and skill into him, with the possibility of later betrayal? Sasuke's with Orochimaru to gain power. I just don't see Orochimaru giving it to him.



Originally posted by: drcitan
Speed wise does anyone thing Neji can handle Sasukes speed boost

What speed boost? The jacked Rock Lee stunt during the Chuunin Exams that he could not even maintain for a fraction of our Proud Green Beast?

No contest.



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
if sasuke can use his curse seal lv 2.....then definitely him

Better if he uses it. It'd be his only shot at victory.



Originally posted by: zait
i think that chidori can go trough kaiten because in the naruto movie it went trough chackra armour and gai said that his hand becomes the sword that can cut trough everything

I'm sure this all depends on Chakra output. I'll use Bleach as an example, for those who watch / read the manga to that exceptional series.

Ichigo could not originally cut Zaraki, since his spiritual energy output was not greater than what Zaraki was constantly emitting. Granted, Neji's Kaiten is pouring forth more than Sasuke's Chidori at the given time, I don't think the "Lightning Edge" would penetrate.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Chidori is the only move that can cause problems for Neji.

You said it.

Pre-Lv2. Seal Activation: Neji. All day, every day.

Lv.2 Seal Activation: Sasuke. Only due to the increased Chakra capacity. He definitely wasn't winning any beauty contests, though.

Post Time Jump: Sasuke still has his seal. And, is most likely accustomed to utilizing it. Thus, the cheap copout plea for power gives him a significant advantage. We still have not seen Neji break a sweat either, and we all know it only takes one tenketsu to be struck and Sasuke's out the game. And, I wouldn't be surprised if Neji can do something as uber as that from a distance, now.

In any manner, my desire for this battle was off personal skill. Becoming Orochimaru's bitch was a disgusting display of power, and extremely cheap. Even so, in the two main different displays of Sasuke, it's one point for each. Guess we'll have to wait a few more chapters for Sasuke to pop up before I become very decisive.

Feel free to post your rebuttal, I'm sure you've been waiting for me to get in this.

Team Gai FOREVER.

[dark maginn]

ill go with neji

[Mite Gai]

Neji, and it has been a while since we have seen him in action, so he may know something like the Divine 256 Strikes or something and since Sasuke only has one type of chakra, he gets hit by that and he is dead, oh and don't forget that Sasuke has a limit on how many Chidoris he can use so if Neji dodges all of them Sasuke = OWNED.

[XanBcoo]

I'd just like to say that Chidori is more powerful than Kaiten. It's just as much, if not more , chakra focused into a very small space. Though I'm not sure Sasuke could break through Kaiten with it. All that has to do with physics n' shit. Reminds me of the "Rasengan vs. Garouga" arguments.

[drcitan]

Originally posted by: Strider
[quote]
Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Neji




Originally posted by: drcitan
Speed wise does anyone think Neji can handle Sasukes speed boost

What speed boost? The jacked Rock Lee stunt during the Chuunin Exams that he could not even maintain for a fraction of our Proud Green Beast?

No contest.

Ok I see what you mean now speed wise now answer me this. Doesn't Nejis eyes allow him to see motion at a slow pace like the sharingan. Cuz when he was fighting the kidomaru's spiders everything slowed down.?

[XanBcoo]

Nothing slowed down. He was just moving slow fast, the camera slowed everything else down to show him at normal speed.

[vasco]

Let analysis what Sasuke and Neji have:

Sharingan vs Byakugan:
Rock Lee had said, close combat user is natural enemy of Sharingan. Even Sasuke may able to see Neji move, unless Sasuke can catch up Neji speed, Sasuke still has trouble with that.
One the other hand, Byakugan gives Neji 360 degee vision + Kaiten, which leave no blind point for sasuke to attack.
By the way, all technique Neji know are blood-line technique, which sharingan cannot copy.

Chidori vs Kaiten:
Both Chidori and Kaiten are chikra, so base on which one stronger. Let say Kaiten cannnot block Chidori. I believe Chidori is linear attack (and kind of slow as well), and required hand seal (which mean cannot link from previous attack). Even without kaiten, there is no way Neji will hit by it. Neji could dodges Chidori easier because he has 360 degee vision + speed. The only way Chidori may hit Neji is when Neji cannot move.

Divine 64 Strikes:
Actually, 64 or 128 or even 1024 strickes is not the matter. The main thing is can it get it or not. As long as Sasuke keep long distant, this attack wont' work. But once Neji hit, sasuke lose.

Blood Seal:
It is double edge sword. Yes, it increase the chikra, but also use up much faster. If Neji use "hit and run" and "time consume", let sasuke use up most of Chikra, Neji win.

In order to make Sasuke win:
Long range attack Neji, or shoot chidori to Neji blind point from 300 Meters away, or find a way to slow Neji movement, then chidori.

For Neji to win:
Just keep in close combat in 360 degree range. Sooner or later, sasuke will use up chikra then Neji can win easily. Or wait for the chance to use Divine 64 Strikes, since Sasuke defence is not "absolute defence", which mean full of flaw...

[Strider]

Originally posted by: drcitan
Ok I see what you mean now speed wise now answer me this. Doesn't Nejis eyes allow him to see motion at a slow pace like the sharingan. Cuz when he was fighting the kidomaru's spiders everything slowed down.?

Like XanBcoo said, Neji's Byakugan simply allows him to perceive everything around him, which can be a lot of data and information to process, and having the insight of everything's location, he is able to suitably counter and quite quickly, as shown with Kidoumaru's summoned spiders.

Neji has speed. That is undeniable. And in that instance, the kid was moving at such an alarming pace that it chose to show such by the means of slowing everything down around him. Which makes sense, right? I mean, if you're the person moving extremely fast, everything around you would seem to be in slow motion. Meanwhile, those on the outside looking at you, most likely couldn't keep up with their eyes.

And, for the standings (not counting Jadugar and I - we started this, we know who we're voting for and there's no changing our minds):

Sasuke: 3 [Assertn; Nests; XanBcoo]

Neji: 5 [DrCitan; Heero; Terra; Dark Maginn; Mite Gai]

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Strider[/i]

And, for the standings (not counting Jadugar and I - we started this, we know who we're voting for and there's no changing our minds):

Sasuke: 3 [Assertn; Nests; XanBcoo]

Neji: 5 [DrCitan; Heero; Terra; Dark Maginn; Mite Gai]

I need to see some Sasuke Love. That might be a hard job.

@Strider : Been busy, havent paid much attention to this thread, will get back to you soon. Thanx for the scoring record.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
I need to see some Sasuke Love. That might be a hard job.

@Strider : Been busy, havent paid much attention to this thread, will get back to you soon. Thanx for the scoring record.

I actually like Sasuke a lot more than I used to. In the beginning, since Naruto was such a goofball, I loved the guy. That quickly diminished once his arrogance took over his "cool" demeanor, and depreciated into nothingness with his copying of Rock Lee, acting as if he was really on par with the Beast.

But, after his battle with Naruto and his line, "I will not become your puppet. I will obtain new power my own way .." Man, I really thought that was a defining moment for him, and my unmitigated dislike lightened up a bit. I won't be participating in any "We Love Sasuke" marches ( i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif ), but the kid's okay in my book. He's just no Rock Lee. And, in this case .. He's no Neji.

And, you're welcome for the scoreboard. I finally read all the Bleach Manga from where the series currently is up the latest chapter, too! So, I need to head over to the Bleach Forum and post away all this Shinigami excitement.

On a final note, Neji fans - Come one, come all. Let your voice be heard and inform the masses of the true genius of the Naruto realm.

[SFreedomZGMFx20a]

Sasuke because his bloodline limit has a big potential compared to that of the Hyuga.

[Strider]

Potential is nothing unless utilized and fully exploited.

Another Sasuke fan, though. And, another point up for him.

The truth still stands, with Neji still up by one.

[XanBcoo]

I only voted for Sasuke with the curse seal activated.

Under normal conditions, I'm still undecided. I think Neji might win in that situation. But who knows.

[drcitan]

I actually like Sasuke better as a character I jus think Neji would be the one to finish the job in the end.Taijustu wise Neji owns in that department. Speed wise Sasuke might be alittle faster than Neji in the beginning but would soon his stamina would drop. Kaiten would be Nejis answer to Kaiton and Chidori.

If Sasuke curse seal level 1 or 2 then Neji would lose

[coud656]

Well Sasuke can use those triple windmill wire things but i guess Neji could break through them...unless Sasuke can somehow learn a paralyzing jutsu i don't think he will have a chance against Neji in h2h..but Sasuke may also be able to dodge the 64 palms of doom attack (made up name ^^i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif with the sharingan...especially since it could see how fast Kyuubi Naruto was going which should be a big thing and help him...but in a battle of no bloodline I say Sasuke hands down since Neji needs to use the Byakugan to see the tenketsu points and he does seem to be quite useless without the Byakugan =/

[Strider]

Originally posted by: coud656
...but in a battle of no bloodline I say Sasuke hands down since Neji needs to use the Byakugan to see the tenketsu points and he does seem to be quite useless without the Byakugan =/

Go back and watch Rock Lee's flashbacks.

Neji was laying the smack on him without the Byakugan, and those were old flashbacks when they were much younger.

His taijutsu without Byakugan is above par. With Byakugan, it's amazingly superior.

[Turkish-S]

in the anime neji wouldn't stand a chance bcuzz sasuke has a bigger role. but when we look at skill and not at the anime(story) neji would OWN sasuke.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Strider
His taijutsu without Byakugan is above par. With Byakugan, it's amazingly superior.

No matter how amazing is Neji with his Taijutsu, Sasuke can always predict his movements. Sasuke's three dot sharingan was able to predict Naruto's movements aided by Kayubi and those moves were really matrix style (referring to ep 132,133,134).

[Phoenix20578]

Sauske for the win. Like JD said, his Sharingon would see past all of Neji's taijistsu, and Sauske's cursed seal would take care of any tricks Neji has. Cursed seal lv. 2 almost killed Naruto(Who was using the Nine Tail Chakra). Neji would die and Sauske would own.

[Jadugar]

Latest record :

Sasuke: 5 [Assertn; Nests; XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578]

Neji: 5 [DrCitan; Heero; Terra; Dark Maginn; Mite Gai][/quote]

@Turkish-S : Make up you mind.

[Turkish-S]

eeuuhhmm neji no no sasuke.....
ARGH NEJI becuzz he made hinata bleed.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Turkish-S
eeuuhhmm neji no no sasuke.....
ARGH NEJI becuzz he made hinata bleed.

She is a girl. She will bleed anyway.i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif Give me a good reason.

[Turkish-S]

i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif ok neji cuzz he has an \m/ ULTIMATE DEFENCE \m/..

[ChaosK]

we've already seen sasuke penetrate an ultimate defence.

[XanBcoo]

Then it wasn't really "ultimate" now was it? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Seriously though, for Sasuke to penetrate Kaiten, he'd have to be moving. It's like trying to stroll into the middle of a tornado. The amount and strength of the chakra involved for both techniques is probably similar, but actually getting through the Kaiten is another matter.

[The Heretic Azazel]

I think Kaiten would rip Sasuke's arm to pieces, that would be so awesome.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Jadugar


Originally posted by: Turkish-S
eeuuhhmm neji no no sasuke.....
ARGH NEJI becuzz he made hinata bleed.

She is a girl. She will bleed anyway. Give me a good reason.

Don't try and coerce the kid into changing his mind! Hah hah. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Another vote for Neji.



Originally posted by: Phoenix20578
Sauske for the win. Like JD said, his Sharingon would see past all of Neji's taijistsu, and Sauske's cursed seal would take care of any tricks Neji has. Cursed seal lv. 2 almost killed Naruto(Who was using the Nine Tail Chakra). Neji would die and Sauske would own.

Sasuke, Phoenix? Sasuke!? .. And, I thought we we friends ..

However, Sasuke was able to see Naruto's movements due to the movements being imbued with Chakra. He says this. Something along the lines of, "The subtle way in which chakra enters his body, I can see his next movement." It was almost as if his movement were a ninja art. Ninjutsu.

It's already been explained that Taijutsu is fueled on stamina, which is capable of being read by the Sharingan, but much more difficult.



Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
we've already seen sasuke penetrate an ultimate defence.

Gaara's Sphere of Sand was far from an 'Ultimate' Defense. Sure, they dubbed it that, but it was far from deserving of such a moniker.

Kaiten is more of an ultimate defense, stated by others and even realized as better by Gaara. Did you not see his face when Neji initially executed it? Our sleepless shinobi was speechless.

I don't think Kaiten'd rip anything off unless something tried to match or exceed the force that Kaiten is exerting. Kaiten is something similar to Cyclops' Optic Blasts for any comic nerds out there. It's more of a concussive blast. Forcible energy, but not in possession of any heat or anything. So, it'd blast through or knock back something but not burn or shred.

Sasuke would be the determined type to try and push through the Heavenly Spin, though .. and FAIL!!

[vasco]

By the way, My vote on Neji

It is because I found a easy way for Neji to win...

Neji's 360 vision actually is inner sightt, which mean he does not need the 'eye' to see (see how he train, always close his eyes).

So, if Neji use Flash seal (the paper make flash light, Shikamaru use it before), make Sasuke blind for fews second.... then sasuke is pretty dead meat (as he did not have any absolute defence)

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Seriously though, for Sasuke to penetrate Kaiten, he'd have to be moving. It's like trying to stroll into the middle of a tornado. The amount and strength of the chakra involved for both techniques is probably similar, but actually getting through the Kaiten is another matter.

In Sasuke's Chidori, the chakra is concentrated at one point where as in Neji's Kaiten its like a bubble field force around him, meaning divided. So it wouldnt be hard to penetrate. Also even Neji 360 vision has a flaw. I wouldnt be surprised If Sasuke can find another one in Kiaten through his sharingan.



Originally posted by: Strider
I don't think Kaiten'd rip anything off unless something tried to match or exceed the force that Kaiten is exerting. Kaiten is something similar to Cyclops' Optic Blasts for any comic nerds out there. It's more of a concussive blast. Forcible energy, but not in possession of any heat or anything. So, it'd blast through or knock back something but not burn or shred.

Exactly. Just a force field around him. Where as Chidori is designed to cut through like a sword through anything, hell even lightning.



Originally posted by: Strider
Sasuke, Phoenix? Sasuke!? .. And, I thought we we friends ..

Its every man for himself. No hassling or pressuring people.



Originally posted by: vasco

I dont know anything.

Vote discarded. You belong in the noob section.

[heero]

Did you guys all forget how ezly Kakashi or Itachi stopped Sasuke's Chidori? All they had to do is grab his arm...Neji can do this without breaking a sweat.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: heero
Did you guys all forget how ezly Kakashi or Itachi stopped Sasuke's Chidori? All they had to do is grab his arm...Neji can do this without breaking a sweat.

They didnt stop the Chidori itself. Look closely. Anyway it would be a bad idea for Neji looking into Itachi's eyes or Kakashi's for that matter.

[heero]

so u dont assume this can happen...

Sasuke: "Chidori!!!"
charges towards Neji*
Neji grabs his arm and dodges*
Neji: "Hakkeshou Rokujuu Yonshou!!!"
Sasuke: "Shit"
Sasuke gets hit and faints*

[Jadugar]

Sasuke doent need to run towards Neji. Since Neji is a hand 2 hand combat user he will have to come to Sasuke to do some damage.

so u dont assume this could happen....

Neji charges towards Sasuke.
Sasuke : Katon: Gokakyu no Jutsu (Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique).
Neji : I cant see anything, my eyes.
Sasuke grabs Neji's and charges chidori and up Neji's balls.........
Neji disappers from the face off the earth (Naruto World).

[heero]

Well then Sasuke has to use that seal before neji actually attacks cause I doubt Sasuke can handel hand to hand combat against Neji...and Neji's hits are lethal..but i guess Sasuke can win with pure power with that seal

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: heero
but i guess Sasuke can win with pure power with that seal

@ Strider : I am counting this a Sasuke vote.

[heero]

not really haha...i still think neji has better skills...its kinda like naruto vs neji and naruto won just cause he has more power...

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Jadugar


Originally posted by: vasco

I dont know anything.

Vote discarded. You belong in the noob section.

If you're going to be counting Coud656's vote, with their Triple Windmill theory and Neji's "64 Hands of Doom" story, the Neji voters will definitely be taking Vasco's vote. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif



Originally posted by: Jadugar


Originally posted by: heero
but i guess Sasuke can win with pure power with that seal

@ Strider : I am counting this a Sasuke vote.

He already voted for Neji. And, repeats such above. ^

And, the standings are ..

Sasuke: 5 [Assertn; Nests; XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578]

Neji: 7 [DrCitan; Heero; Terra; Dark Maginn; Mite Gai; Turkish-S; Vasco]

Chaos has posted, and seems be more with Sasuke, but has not declared such. So, nothing's been counted for them. The same goes for Azazel, except they seem to be leaning towards Neji.

Off to our other debates, I go. Heh.

[vasco]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Sasuke doent need to run towards Neji. Since Neji is a hand 2 hand combat user he will have to come to Sasuke to do some damage.

so u dont assume this could happen....

Neji charges towards Sasuke.
Sasuke : Katon: Gokakyu no Jutsu (Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique).
Neji : I cant see anything, my eyes.
Sasuke grabs Neji's and charges chidori and up Neji's balls.........
Neji disappers from the face off the earth (Naruto World).

Katon: Gokakyu no Jutsu need hand seal, which will alow Neji have enough time to
If far away
1> just dodge / run around
2> Kaiten
if close by
1> even easier to dodge (by Neji speed) due to harder to aim (for example: Neji jump over sasuke)
2> use 64 hit to hit the fireball (is it possible?)

by the way, i think Neji's 360 vision is inner sight, which mean he did not need the eye to see. even hit by fireball, he still can see.

[The Heretic Azazel]

I'm going to take Neji. The byakugan and sharingan make both of them exceptional taijutsu users, BUT as little as one single blow from Jyuuken can completely cut off Sasuke's chakra system and mess him up big time. I think Kidoumaru found Kaiten's weak spot because he's a genius, and also because he was able to observe from a distance Neji's weakness, because Kidoumaru was a long-range fighter, which Sasuke is not. I don't think there's much of a chance Neji will be affected by Sasuke's fireball moves, and since Chidori takes so long, Sasuke can't use it in a surprise ambush, and if Neji blocks the Chidori, I'd have to say it's over for Sasuke. He'd have depleted a maximum of half his chakra with one chidori, and if Neji dodges it, the fight is over, 64 hits later.

[Shinda]

I think that Sasuke could be able to defeat Neji, but just doesn't have the patience or skills to find the weak spot in Neji's defence.
instead Sasuke would just storm at Neji with Chidori and hopes it all turns out well... which won't happen.
or if he gets one hit from Neji on his arm, than he lost his strongest attack.
my vote goes to Neji

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Jadugar


Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Seriously though, for Sasuke to penetrate Kaiten, he'd have to be moving. It's like trying to stroll into the middle of a tornado. The amount and strength of the chakra involved for both techniques is probably similar, but actually getting through the Kaiten is another matter.

In Sasuke's Chidori, the chakra is concentrated at one point where as in Neji's Kaiten its like a bubble field force around him, meaning divided. So it wouldnt be hard to penetrate. Also even Neji 360 vision has a flaw. I wouldnt be surprised If Sasuke can find another one in Kiaten through his sharingan.


I'm gonna pick this apart since I'm bored.

Even though Sasuke's chidori is probably "stronger" (I already said this), the fact that Kaiten is constantly moving and rotating adds to the force is applies. It's like when he deflected an oncoming Kyuubi-Naruto. Yeah, the chakra itself wouldn't be hard to penetrate, but actually getting through it to Neji would be quite hard.

I'm thinking of changing my vote to Neji...

[Strider]

Looks like the Sasuke fans are as well hidden as the Sakura fans are. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Sasuke: 5
[Assertn; Nests; XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578]

Neji: 9
[DrCitan; Heero; Terra; Dark Maginn; Mite Gai; Turkish-S; Vasco; Heretic Azazel; Shinda]

[Uchiha Barles]

If Sasuke can't use the seal, then the outcome of the fight should depend on the terrain. In an arena such as the one in the preliminary fights during the chuunin exam, Sasuke would probably win because, as has been said, there's just little that can be done against the sharingan in close up combat because it predicts the opponents moves. Now, in a setting like the forest, if neiji could do some long range combat, he would have the edge. With his byakugan he could keep track of Sasuke's movements and set traps or attack from a distance, or even get the jump on him. Sasuke would stand no chance in that kind of a fight.

My vote: Neiji.

Why? Because I think Neiji stands more of a chance against Sasuke in an arena battle than Sasuke does against Neiji in a forest battle. if Neiji were to use something like that mist jutsu to limit Sasuke's vision, and then use his byakugan to find and keep tabs on Sasuke, then Neiji would have essentially succeeded in transforming the terrain to one that contained some of the advantage of a forest.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
If Sasuke can't use the seal, then the outcome of the fight should depend on the terrain.

Sasuke can use the seal.



Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
if neiji could do some long range combat, he would have the edge. With his byakugan he could keep track of Sasuke's movements and set traps or attack from a distance, or even get the jump on him

and in all that time Sasuke would keep quite.

Neji....long range combat? Are you serious?




Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
I think Neiji stands more of a chance against Sasuke in an arena battle


Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
In an arena such as the one in the preliminary fights during the chuunin exam, Sasuke would probably win

Contradicting yourself.

What are you on these days?

And yes the battle is taking place in an arena so everyone can watch.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Strider
Looks like the Sasuke fans are as well hidden as the Sakura fans are.

Sasuke: 5
[Assertn; Nests; XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578]

Neji: 9
[DrCitan; Heero; Terra; Dark Maginn; Mite Gai; Turkish-S; Vasco; Heretic Azazel; Shinda]

huh? I like neji better than sasuke...in fact neji is probably in my top 3 favorites
but there's no way neji could face up to sasuke's level 2

[drcitan]

Originally posted by: Jadugar


Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
If Sasuke can't use the seal, then the outcome of the fight should depend on the terrain.

Sasuke can use the seal.



Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
if neiji could do some long range combat, he would have the edge. With his byakugan he could keep track of Sasuke's movements and set traps or attack from a distance, or even get the jump on him

and in all that time Sasuke would keep quite.

Neji....long range combat? Are you serious?




Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
I think Neiji stands more of a chance against Sasuke in an arena battle


Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
In an arena such as the one in the preliminary fights during the chuunin exam, Sasuke would probably win

Contradicting yourself.

What are you on these days?

And yes the battle is taking place in an arena so everyone can watch.

Same old Jadugar for ya...nice debate dialogue . Keeps me ticking but anway Sasuke's in trouble 9 to 5 votes Neji. Another weakness that Sasuke has is when hes using the curse seal is that it inflicts pain after awhile leaving Sasuke open for attack. Neji is just like Sasuke.... the genius type who uses everything to their advantage. Curse Seal Lvl 2 would jus give Neji more body to hit with the wings everywhere which I don't think is making Sasuke any faster.

Sasuke at level 2 would murder everybody. Why do people even think Neji will have a chance?

[drcitan]

Cuz hes jus that damn good

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: drcitan
Same old Jadugar for ya...nice debate dialogue

Someone has following me around. I hope its a fan not a stalker.



Originally posted by: drcitan
Cuz hes jus that damn good

Neji has more gay fans than Sasuke.

[drcitan]

following you around DUDE we aruged for a week straight half a month ago.....its kinda hard not to know who u are LOL

[Jadugar]

Voting Rules :

Be sure to say I vote for Sasuke. I mean Sasuke/Neji.
No vague comments.
Sasuke can use level 2 seal.
You are voting for the powerful of the two.
People are allowed to change their votes.

Let's start the match!

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: Jadugar


Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
If Sasuke can't use the seal, then the outcome of the fight should depend on the terrain.

Sasuke can use the seal.



Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
if neiji could do some long range combat, he would have the edge. With his byakugan he could keep track of Sasuke's movements and set traps or attack from a distance, or even get the jump on him

and in all that time Sasuke would keep quite.

Neji....long range combat? Are you serious?




Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
I think Neiji stands more of a chance against Sasuke in an arena battle


Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
In an arena such as the one in the preliminary fights during the chuunin exam, Sasuke would probably win

Contradicting yourself.

What are you on these days?

And yes the battle is taking place in an arena so everyone can watch.



Fine Sasuke can use the seal, therefore, sasuke would win in that situation. I'm saying, in the case he couldn't. And no I'm not contradicting myself, you're simply misunderstanding and partially quoting what I said. It was written in perfectly clear english. What are you on?

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Voting Rules :

Be sure to say I vote for Sasuke. I mean Sasuke/Neji.
No vague comments.
Sasuke can use level 2 seal.
You are voting for the powerful of the two.

Let's start the match!

Neji

[heero]

aww man are we doing this all over again? ...Neji!!!!

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
You are voting for the powerful of the two.


If that, then Sasuke.

[Shinda]

can't you just make a poll?

I vote for Neji

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Shinda
can't you just make a poll?

I vote for Neji

Dont be lazy. This way is more fun.

@Strider : Dont you think so?

[dark maginn]

i also vote for neji

[chet_chetty]

too many crackheads in here..if it was neiji vs sasuke without seal then we have a much more arguable topic than neiji vs sasuke w/ seal. like mutachi said, it's not even a question. look at it this way, sasuke has the most powerful seal (next to kimi) given by orochi. neiji barely won against the 2nd to last of the sound 4. sasuke at level 2 is greater than any of the sound 4 at level 2. sasuke would decimate neiji with level 2. and if this fight were to actually take place, do you see neiji beating sasuke (level 2) with a simple chakra flow blocking attack. that'd be the most anticlimactic finish i'd ever see.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: drcitan
following you around DUDE we aruged for a week straight half a month ago.....its kinda hard not to know who u are LOL
ahhhh! Happy memories.




Originally posted by: drcitan
Cuz hes jus that damn good

damm good?


http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/198/neji026kn.jpg

[XanBcoo]

Yes, Neji is damn good...and would probably have a better chance (or even win) under normal circumstances.

But if Sasuke has the curse seal, there's no contest.

[vasco]

Let me place my vote first: Neji

Why? What good of Sasuke? Sharingan , Chidori and Seal... (may be some fire skill as well)

Let fight in the dark (Shanrigan can't see anything, but Byakugan can see everything.)
Let fight for hand to hand combat (Chidori take too much time to get ready)
Let fight for long battle (Seal makes it even worst)

So, where is the prefect battle field to win Sasuke: Academic Professor Exam center (The one Mizuki blows up)

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: vasco
Let me place my vote first: Neji
Any reason?



Originally posted by: vasco
What good of Sasuke? Sharingan , Chidori and Seal... (may be some fire skill as well)

I guess you never heard of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi .



Originally posted by: vasco
(may be some fire skill as well)

I guess you didnt watch ep 133 when Sasuke used "Ryuka no jutsu : Dragon Fire Technique" which melted the rocks.



Originally posted by: vasco
Let fight in the dark (Shanrigan can't see anything, but Byakugan can see everything.)
Let fight for hand to hand combat (Chidori take too much time to get ready)

This fight is going to be fair and square.



And Neji has a flaw in his byakugan




http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/2568/neji017by.jpg

[heero]

Originally posted by: Jadugar


Originally posted by: drcitan
Cuz hes jus that damn good

damm good?


http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/198/neji026kn.jpg

better than this lmao

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/heeroyuri/sasukesux.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/heeroyuri/sasukesux2.jpg



Originally posted by: Jadugar

And Neji has a flaw in his byakugan




http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/2568/neji017by.jpg

That's why he has Kaiten? Any Jitsu Sasuke got that can stop his spinning? nope

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Jadugar

And Neji has a flaw in his byakugan

Think of how much hassle Kidoumaru had to go through to find this out, and I just don't think Sasuke's smart enough to catch onto that, unless someone specifically tells him Neji's weakness.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: heero

better than this lmao

You misunderstood.

I was refering to the dialogue in the picture, "He is realizing the shortcoming of these eyes".

not his actual body state.

In the pictures you have posted, Sasuke is fighting Naruto not Neji.

In my opion Naruto>Sasuke. You can read my posts in Sharingan vs Rasengan thread
and ask drcitan if you believe me.



Originally posted by: heero
That's why he has Kaiten? Any Jitsu Sasuke got that can stop his spinning? nope

You are underestimating Chidori.

How long Neji is going to spin, all day and night. When he stops then what? He is fucked.

[vasco]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
I guess you never heard of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi .
...
I guess you didnt watch ep 133 when Sasuke used "Ryuka no jutsu : Dragon Fire Technique" which melted the rocks.
...
This fight is going to be fair and square.

And Neji has a flaw in his byakugan

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi is in which episode? (or in comic only? sorry if that is in comic only, plz tell me what function for that)

"Ryuka no jutsu : Dragon Fire Technique" can block easier if Neji use Kaiten

"This fight is going to be fair and square." - Actually it is still fair, how?

1> Neji keep it long team fight (let say 24 hours), 1/2 of the time must be dark (as night), Shanrigan won't work
2> Hand to hand combat... well... if Neji charges to Sasuke at very begining, Sasuke will have no chance but accept hand to hand combat As long as Neji did not lose Sasuke, hand to hand combat will not lose effect.

by the way, about the blind point of byakugan, I don't think sasuke can keep hiding in byakugan blind point all the time... Neji can keep moving to eliminated it (and Sasuke did not know the byakugan blind point yet! I think... It take time for him to know and search, and there is no way Sasuke can find when he is in hand to hand combat all the time)

I take your challenge, bring it on!

[The Heretic Azazel]

Pre-timejump Sasuke was only physically able to throw 2 chidori. We know Neji can hold Kaiten for quite a little while and once Sasuke wastes his first shot, then what?

[heero]

Originally posted by: Jadugar

You are underestimating Chidori.

How long Neji is going to spin, all day and night. When he stops then what? He is fucked.

Don't go there again...we talked about this already. Neji doesnt NEED kaiten to stop chidori. And you settled with the idea that Sasuke will just stay long range instead. And also, his blind spot is quite small. There's no way sasuke can "hide" in that blind spot while doing chidori...Do you see Neji spin day and night in his fights? No, so how does that support ur idea that "he's fucked if he doesnt spin all day"



Originally posted by: Jadugar

You misunderstood.

I was refering to the dialogue in the picture, "He is realizing the shortcoming of these eyes".

not his actual body state.

In the pictures you have posted, Sasuke is fighting Naruto not Neji.

In my opion Naruto>Sasuke. You can read my posts in Sharingan vs Rasengan thread
and ask drcitan if you believe me.


Wow he got this ONE weakness. And it's not even ez to find and on top of that, even if you did find the spot, then wat? It's not like Neji doesnt know about this. It's nothing compare to Sasuke's weakness. 1) can only use chidori 2 times 2) seal drains his chakra like crazy 3) he cant stay in seal level 2 for long (in the fight with naruto, he only held it long enough to use his chidori once and he was in pain, so tell me how he can fight Neji in this state?)

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: heero
Neji doesnt NEED kaiten to stop chidori.

How else is he going to stop it, with his balls.



Originally posted by: heero
And you settled with the idea that Sasuke will just stay long range instead.

Seems like a good plan. Wait for his chance and boom!!!



Originally posted by: heero
And also, his blind spot is quite small. There's no way sasuke can "hide" in that blind spot while doing chidori...

Hahhaha. I am amazed at your logic.

Kidimaru sent a huge ass arrow through that blind spot.

It doesnt have to be chidori.



Originally posted by: heero
Do you see Neji spin day and night in his fights? No, so how does that support ur idea that "he's fucked if he doesnt spin all day"

No. That was your idea.



Originally posted by: heero
That's why he has Kaiten?

If Neji tries Kaiten, Sasuke can keep a safe distance and can watch him do the ballerina. You better hope he doesnt stop because you know what's gonna happen to him.



Originally posted by: jadugar
he's fucked



Originally posted by: heero
Wow he got this ONE weakness.

I thought he was perfect.i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif



Originally posted by: heero
Sasuke can only use chidori 2 times

One would be enough. Its enough to make him see stars in the daylight.



Originally posted by: heero
2) seal drains his chakra like crazy

Dont tell me Neji's chakra stays the same.



Originally posted by: heero
3) he cant stay in seal level 2 for long

Enough to fuck him well and good.



Originally posted by: heero
(in the fight with naruto, he only held it long enough to use his chidori once and he was in pain, so tell me how he can fight Neji in this state?)

Funny. I saw Sasuke walking on his two feet while Naruto was messed up on the floor.

[Assertn]

wait......chidori can cancel out rasengan but it cant penetrate kaiten? rasengan is essentially a super-concentrated version of the kaiten....

Sasuke's got 3 pupils now.....which is essentially the same as what kakashi had in the beginning of the series. Granted, sasuke's been acting unusually noobish and not taking full advantage of his sharingan, but technically he should be able to pull stunts such as hypnosis (if you remember in the fight against zabuza....the only thing zabuza could do to withstand the sharingan was to fight with his eyes closed). In other words, neji's byakugan would do nothing but hinder him.

[The Heretic Azazel]

As far as Neji's chakra, he's good at reserving it, and Sakon told Sasuke he would literally go out of his mind if he stayed in seal mode for too long, so he would have to beat Neji quickly.

[heero]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
How else is he going to stop it, with his balls.
do you have memory of 2 seconds? Im not gonna explain again. reread the previous posts



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Seems like a good plan. Wait for his chance and boom!!!
what, with his dumb fireball jitsu that never owns anyone?



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Hahhaha. I am amazed at your logic.

Kidimaru sent a huge ass arrow through that blind spot.

It doesnt have to be chidori.
u need to use ur brain. the arrow was long but not BIG. That's why it was able to pinpoint the blindspot. You are talking about a person here. Can you picture sasuke flying in midair fitting right into that blind spot?

ya it doesnt but who brought up the chidori thing again? oh ya it was you



Originally posted by: Jadugar
No. That was your idea.
Dont put words in my mouth. Would you like me to quote u?


Originally posted by: Jadugar
How long Neji is going to spin, all day and night. When he stops then what? He is fucked.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
If Neji tries Kaiten, Sasuke can keep a safe distance and can watch him do the ballerina. You better hope he doesnt stop because you know what's gonna happen to him.
yes lets all assume Neji is an idiot who Kaiten for no reason



Originally posted by: Jadugar
One would be enough. Its enough to make him see stars in the daylight.
Apparently He needed to use it 3 times against Naruto? wow Naruto must be 3 times stronger than Neji



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Dont tell me Neji's chakra stays the same.
dont tell me that theres no disadvantage with the seal


Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
As far as Neji's chakra, he's good at reserving it, and Sakon told Sasuke he would literally go out of his mind if he stayed in seal mode for too long.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Funny. I saw Sasuke walking on his two feet while Naruto was messed up on the floor.
Funny. Lets compare how long Naruto used kyuubi powers for and how long Sasuke used his seal for. Also, lets all ignore the fact that he was in pain.

[Naruto_RNG]

neji
if u want to know what sasuke stat is after three years same goes for neji too. we don't know what he did so far to improve his skills. neji could have come with a newer move that stronger and better then 64 points thing he does. same goes for sasuke. right now based of what we know all the evidence suggest neji would win the fight.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: heero
what, with his dumb fireball jitsu that never owns anyone?

It would OWN Neji if those little fire balls go through the blind spot of byakugan and barbeque him.




Originally posted by: heero
the arrow was long but not BIG. That's why it was able to pinpoint the blindspot. You are talking about a person here. Can you picture sasuke flying in midair fitting right into that blind spot?

I never said anything about Sasuke flying in midair. What I said was he could use some kind of attack along the same lines as Kidimaru did.




Originally posted by: heero
yes lets all assume Neji is an idiot who Kaiten for no reason

He cant use byakugan because Sasuke is gonna send those fireball to BBQ him.
Sasuke wont go near him so he cant use Kaiten.

What else have you got?



Originally posted by: heero
Apparently He needed to use it 3 times against Naruto? wow Naruto must be 3 times stronger than Neji

I am gonna quote you here:



Originally posted by: heero
use your barin



Originally posted by: heero
dont tell me that theres no disadvantage with the seal

But advantages are huge.

Oh yeah you quoted, The Heretic Azazel : sasuke would go mad if he use it long enough.

I dont mind him losing his mind as long as he fucks Neji good and proper.



Originally posted by: heero
Funny. Lets compare how long Naruto used kyuubi powers for and how long Sasuke used his seal for. Also, lets all ignore the fact that he was in pain.

The Result : Sasuke had a little pain in his left arm and Naruto was unconcious.

[heero]

bleh i give up i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif let's face it, we cant convince each other..let's hope there will be a fight between them then we'll know who's right i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: heero
bleh i give up


i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif

[Dezalanel]

Neji. Easy choice.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Dezalanel
Neji. Easy choice.

This wasnt a multiple choice question.

[drcitan]

Sorry Jadugar I'm gonna go with Neji on this one. Sasuke can only do so much (fireballs) as a long range fighter. Even with Sasuke being Curse seal lvl 2 hes gonna be in a hurry to finish the fight quickly and pay for it with his life. Face it Sasukes owned sealed or not. Like it or not your really the only one defending Sasuke.......stop it cuz he would kill U too if he had the chance i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[dark maginn]

even if neji have a blind spot he can still beat sasuke

[Zinobi]

hmm ive been trying to play this out in my head and im thinkin one of u guys should simulate this on one of the naruto games (like com vs com)

[heero]

lol I guess thats one solution...

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Neji....long range combat? Are you serious?

So ..

That wasn't a long-range technique Neji caught Kisame with?

I have a lot to cover, so moving right along ..



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
huh? I like neji better than sasuke...in fact neji is probably in my top 3 favorites
but there's no way neji could face up to sasuke's level 2



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Sasuke at level 2 would murder everybody. Why do people even think Neji will have a chance?

What was I thinking? I completely forgot about the Level 2 Seal activated. Neji's never faced an opponent who could sustain Level 2 . . .

Wait! He has!

Bump.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Neji has more gay fans than Sasuke.

He does?

Shit. In the series, Sasuke's got the entire village on him, excluding Hinata, but including Sakura. Gay.

And, on the boards .. you've got the Forum Faggot backing him. Nothing else to add here.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
You are voting for the powerful of the two.

No, I'm not.

This isn't Dragonball Z / GT.

A lot more things than simply power plays a major factor, especially in a match dealing with Neji who possesses great intellect and skill. Not to say Sasuke doesn't either, but of course I'm going to showcase the person I'm going for [Neji].



Originally posted by: Jadugar
I guess you never heard of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi .

With all this posting you're doing, I'm guessing you haven't been sleeping much. So, I'm going to excuse the fact that this was probably meant for some Bloodline Limit discussion ..

'Cause I sure haven't seen Sasuke employ ANY of those abilities.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
How else is he going to stop it, with his balls.

With a flick of his wrist to any one of the three hundred sixty tenketsu.

You speak as if Sasuke will even be capable of generating a Chidori.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Hahhaha. I am amazed at your logic.

Kidimaru sent a huge ass arrow through that blind spot.

It doesnt have to be chidori.

Kidoumaru was also able to control that arrow so that it remained within that blind spot with insanely precise accuracy.

Sasuke isn't there yet. I doubt Sasuke would even manage to pin-point the fact there is a blind spot.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Funny. I saw Sasuke walking on his two feet while Naruto was messed up on the floor.

After falling to his knees. Coughing up blood. Crying about his arm.

And, a shame we're discussing Neji. Not Naruto -- who is not on the same level. Skill wise, or intellectually.

His win was a plot device. Please refrain from attempting to use it as support, now.

Sasuke v. Neji. End.



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
wait......chidori can cancel out rasengan but it cant penetrate kaiten? rasengan is essentially a super-concentrated version of the kaiten....

In other words, neji's byakugan would do nothing but hinder him.

In the same manner you're saying Chidori cancelled out the Rasengan, the Rasengan cancelled out the Chidori. It was a stalemate when the two techniques directly collided in the same fashion we'd imagine a Chidori striking Kaiten. So, from what you're stating .. the two would essentially cancel one another out. Still doesn't penetrate.

And, Neji can see through buildings and tree trunks, but not his own eyelids?

Neji does not need eye contact when he can see everything around him. It's Sasuke who would have to rely on instigating eye contact. Granted, he can even perform minute hypnosis like Kakashi did.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
I never said anything about Sasuke flying in midair. What I said was he could use some kind of attack along the same lines as Kidimaru did.

Because he's just that damn accurate with his homing fire jutsu? i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif

Especially if Neji's in constant motion, to alleviate the issue of having the blind spot to begin with.



Originally posted by: Jadugar


Originally posted by: Dezalanel
Neji. Easy choice.

This wasnt a multiple choice question.

You're right.

To a debate question like this, there was only one answer.

Look at the standings. Seems most of them got it right.


Before Jadugar started the recount request:

Sasuke: 6
[Assertn; Nests; XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578; Mut']

Neji: 9
[DrCitan; Heero; Terra; Dark Maginn; Mite Gai; Turkish-S; Vasco; Heretic Azazel; Shinda]


And, after our Florida recount ..

Sasuke: 2
[Barles; XanBCoo]

Neji: 8
[Terra; Heero; Shinda; Dark Maginn; Vasco; Naruto_RNG; Dezalanel; DrCitan]


In the end, unless Sasuke activates that seal, he stands no chance.

Even after activating the seal, Neji stands a chance at victory and at worst, they both die.

Sasuke would not finish Neji off in Level 2 before Neji gets a death blow to one of the myriad tenketsu.

Game. Set. Match.

[drcitan]

@Strider "The Florida recount" LOL that was funny. Be prepared because Jadguar will be back. I hope this debate does'nt end up getting to outta hand i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif I think I saw someone mention Neji's eight trigrams vaccum palm techinque would prove effective against Sasuke in this fight but that would be Jounin Neji and not Genin Neji.

[Jaredster]

this debate is getting to huge for me.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: drcitan
@Strider "The Florida recount" LOL that was funny.

I try. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif



Originally posted by: drcitan
Be prepared because Jadguar will be back. I hope this debate does'nt end up getting to outta hand

I'm patiently waiting.

And, I suppose I was somewhat harsh at some points. However, I was going for the kill with this one.

I consider him a good forum friend, but it had to be done. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif



Originally posted by: drcitan
I think I saw someone mention Neji's eight trigrams vaccum palm techinque would prove effective against Sasuke in this fight but that would be Jounin Neji and not Genin Neji.

Is that what the technique translates to, or you just making up names like I'll often do? Heh.

And, I saw other people mentioning post-time jump Sasuke would ruin Neji, and speaking of his unknown Orochimaru "training," so I brought up the ranged move we've seen Neji do.

Jounin or Genin rank, I still stand by my statement ..



Originally posted by: Strider
Sasuke would not finish Neji off in Level 2 before Neji gets a death blow to one of the myriad tenketsu.



Originally posted by: Jaredster
this debate is getting to huge for me.

It's okay. You can vote for Neji. I'll protect you. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Jadugar]

This post mostly concerns Strider, if you are not him then skip.

Ahhhhh. I see the mouse has been playing while the cat was away. Waited for you yesterday but I think you didnt come online, anyway heero entertained me.

I have to clear up few things.

A lot of people were making vague comment about Nuji/Souske and their post werent clear who were they voting for. So I posted some rules to follow. So the new people voting can follow them so we can be clear on where someone stands. That didnt mean I want requesting for recount or asking for people to vote again. Therefore the votes before my rule posting still stand.


People who posted but undecided or their posts are vague:
[ Zait, basey 44, KAi, Zinobi, ChaosKiddo]

Strider I went along with your score counting but you didnt include some people. They are
[Jaredster, SFreedomZGMFx20a and chet_chetty]

Game.Set. Match.?

In a game of chess the King has to die to end the game and I am still alive and kicking baby.

Also I didnt put any time limit on this match. The match is still on! Bring it on.

UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 10
[ Assertn, Jaredster, Barles, SFreedomZGMFx20a, chet_chetty, Nests, XanBcoo, coud656, Phoenix20578, Mut@chi ]

NEJI : 11
[DrCitan, Heero, Terra, Dark Maginn, Mite Gai, Turkish-S, Naruto_RNG, Dezalanel, Vasco, Heretic-Azazel, Shinda]

Any objection then pm me. There shouldnt be any problem.
Reason.......MY THREAD, MY RULESi/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif

As for our continuing debate I will have to get back to you. I didnt wanted to include that in this post and I didnt quote anyone because I thought It would be messy.

TO BE CONTINUED..............


EDIT : Oh yes. I am a Jounin now.

[XanBcoo]

Congrats Jadugar.

But I think a lot of this is just useless speculation, as we haven't even seen post-time jump sasuke. Chances are, he has improved in all areas, just as Neji has. He also probably can use Chidori more than twice - not sure of that, but it's a logical assumption. His body will have grown used to the power of the curse seal. He went to Oro to get powerful enough to kill Itachi, which means that his current skill might just be somewhere in that ballpark (if not somewhat lower).

I also don't think that Sasuke has to use chidori in any and every situation. Just as Neji doesn't have to use Kaiten.

I agree that Sasuke wouldn't really be able to find about about Neji's blindspot, or effectively target it.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: drcitan
Be prepared because Jadguar will be back.

RETURN OF JEDIgar



Originally posted by: drcitan
Be prepared because Jadguar will be back

@Strider :

I see you have joined forces with the evil mad doctor, DRcitan(still licking his wounds).

Can you sense the fear in his voice. Litsen to your adviser(drcitan) he is speaking from his past exprience.
He used to cry wolf(jadugar) and one day wolf came............



Originally posted by: drcitan
I think I saw someone mention Neji's eight trigrams vaccum palm techinque

You and your Neji fantasies.



Originally posted by: Strider
A lot more things than simply power plays a major factor, especially in a match dealing with Neji who possesses great intellect and skill. Not to say Sasuke doesn't either.

Everyone seems to forget that Sasuke was no. 1 rookie in the academy. No one wanted to see Neji's fight during Chuunin exam. Everyone waited anxiously waited for UCHIHA SASUKE. Sasuke fought briefly and spared with Lee before the exam and created Lion Combo afterwards. He is a quick learner. He managed to escape from Orochimaru's hypnosis in the "death forest" due to his quick thinking.

I would say he is more intelligent than Neji.

People are voting for Neji because he has a clean cut image and he has that seal on his head. So they even feel sorry for him. Its an unconscious thing to do.



Originally posted by: Strider
And, I suppose I was somewhat harsh at some points. However, I was going for the kill with this one.

Are you serious, I have not even broken a sweat but it does seem to me like I am fighting all alone with all you Neji gay lovers. All I am hearing is Neji-kun (Hinata style).



Originally posted by: Strider
I consider him a good forum friend, but it had to be done

Being my friend wont save you. Hide..



Originally posted by: drcitan
It's okay. You can vote for Neji. I'll protect you.

So you are running a witness protection scheme as well.i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif

Listen all of you. Who ever deviates from his original vote I will personally hunt him down.i/expressions/devil.gif

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Everyone seems to forget that Sasuke was no. 1 rookie in the academy. No one wanted to see Neji's fight during Chuunin exam. Everyone waited anxiously waited for UCHIHA SASUKE. Sasuke fought briefly and spared with Lee before the exam and created Lion Combo afterwards. He is a quick learner. He managed to escape from Orochimaru's hypnosis in the "death forest" due to his quick thinking.

I would say he is more intelligent than Neji.


I pretty much agree with this. I wouldn't say with confidence that he's more intelligent than Neji (maybe AS intelligent? Who knows), but he's a genious fighter as well. His taijutsu/ninjutsu are probably on par with or even better than Neiji's - they just have different styles. I'm voting for Sasuke, but I think they're about equal in terms of strenght, speed, and intelligence.

About the Chuunin exam thing. I think that because Neji is a branch family member, no one expected him to be all that gtreat. Maybe that's why there wasn't any hype. But then again, we did see some people talking about him before his and Naruto's match.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
EDIT : Oh yes. I am a Jounin now.

Congrats to both you and XanBcoo on that. I noticed when he was around 998, and you were just below him with 992.

Maybe if I leave enough life in you with all our debates, I'll nominate you as my Jounin-Sensei. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif



Originally posted by: XanBcoo
But I think a lot of this is just useless speculation, as we haven't even seen post-time jump sasuke. Chances are, he has improved in all areas, just as Neji has.

Agreed. Everything after this time jump is merely speculation. So, let us all refrain from any further mention of it.



Originally posted by: XanBcoo
He also probably can use Chidori more than twice - not sure of that, but it's a logical assumption.

Just like we "logically assumed" Naruto would be able to do a Rasengan without a Kage Bunshin.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
I see you have joined forces with the evil mad doctor, DRcitan(still licking his wounds).

You're kidding me, right?

I'm more than enough force to handle this situation. I post, and it resonates throughout the entire Open Discussion section, making waves like Katrina.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Everyone seems to forget that Sasuke was no. 1 rookie in the academy. No one wanted to see Neji's fight during Chuunin exam. Everyone waited anxiously waited for UCHIHA SASUKE. Sasuke fought briefly and spared with Lee before the exam and created Lion Combo afterwards. He is a quick learner. He managed to escape from Orochimaru's hypnosis in the "death forest" due to his quick thinking.

You had to have been laughing throughout that entire thing there, because that was the funniest thing I have ever read. There's no way I could have said that with a straight face.

Either that, or you must have the worst taste in your mouth from spewing all of that raw garbage.

The same people you're pointing out that forgot about Sasuke being valedictorian, have apparently forgotten that Neji also was, as well. So, what?

The people waited for Uchiha Sasuke because look who was baiting them all, and pushing for everyone to be patient .. Orochimaru. His Jackson Syndrome, with his fixation on small boys, was evident as ever there. And, you say Neji has the gay following?

I think I remember Sasuke in the Forest of Death defacating in his capri pants, while Naruto was saving him, and Sakura was screaming bloody hell to try and shake some sense into Sasuke.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
I would say he is more intelligent than Neji.

You're so silly, Jagudar. Such a silly Jounin, you are.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
People are voting for Neji because he has a clean cut image and he has that seal on his head. So they even feel sorry for him. Its an unconscious thing to do.

The people pity Neji?

"Cocaine's a helluva drug .."

This is coming from a supporter of a character who watched his mother, father, relatives and entire family [clan] get slain, only to find out it was by his own brother. You think people pity a forehead tattoo more than an orphan? Give me a break. NEXT!



Originally posted by: Jadugar
All I am hearing is Neji-kun (Hinata style).

That's your heart's voice, professing it's emotional attachment to Neji.

Let it out. We already know.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Being my friend wont save you. Hide..

No.

It simply ensures we'll still be cordial after I win this. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif



Originally posted by: Jadugar
So you are running a witness protection scheme as well.

Some of the perks to being a Neji fan, I suppose.



Originally posted by: Jadugar
Listen all of you. Who ever deviates from his original vote I will personally hunt him down.

Do not fear this sheep in wolf's clothing. Do not be tempted by his treacherous tongue and whimsical words. I shall deliver you from his evil gospel.



Originally posted by: XanBcoo
(Insert here a lot of stuff I cannot believe being said)

Sigh.

[Dezalanel]

I love how people talk about how Sasuke is such a genius. What has Sasuke ever come up with besides the Lion Combo?(Which he stole the beginning from Rock Lee). His moves are some basic Katon moves(Which every Uchiha knew) that never work, Chidori which can be dodged pretty easily and was taught to him by Kakashi, and Curse Seal which takes tons of chakra and was GIVEN to him by Orochimaru. Now Neji is the real genius, he figured out two head house Hyuuga moves. He was not taught them he did it by himself. Pretty damn impressive. This is such an easy match, all Neji needs is one solid Jyuuken hit and Sasuke is done for, Sasuke does not have two chakras like Naruto. Even if Sasuke goes CS2 all Neji really has to do is dodge him for a while with is Byakugen and if things get in a real jam just Kaiten to protect himself.

[Terracosmo]

Dezalanel wins.

[Strider]

Neji even took one of those signature Head House techniques even further, with the 128-Palms.

That was damn impressive. And amazing, even to non-Neji fans.

[Zhan]

Neji will win.

[Strider]

That's a dozen for the Hyuuga.

[Jaredster]

Jadugar

I never made an offical vote.

[Dezalanel]

Originally posted by: Strider
Neji even took one of those signature Head House techniques even further, with the 128-Palms.

That was damn impressive. And amazing, even to non-Neji fans.


That was an anime only move so I would not include that. It would be impressive if he did it in the manga tho.

Originally posted by: Strider


Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Sasuke at level 2 would murder everybody. Why do people even think Neji will have a chance?

What was I thinking? I completely forgot about the Level 2 Seal activated. Neji's never faced an opponent who could sustain Level 2 . . .

Wait! He has!
YEAH KIDOMARU AND SASUKE ARE JUST THE SAME.

Seriously, just shut up and go to hell.

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Dezalanel
That was an anime only move so I would not include that. It would be impressive if he did it in the manga tho.

Completely forgot about how certain things were added for the animated series with that fight, as well.

Wish it would have been in the manga. Although, with it having been animated, you think it won't surface sometime or somewhere in the manga?



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Seriously, just shut up and go to hell.

The ultimate defense.

Yeah.

Thanks for stopping by.

Next?

[heero]

Originally posted by: Jaredster
Jadugar

I never made an offical vote.

lol i kinda noticed that but didnt say anything...he kinda just throw u in to make it look better i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif



Originally posted by: Mut@chi


Originally posted by: Strider


Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Sasuke at level 2 would murder everybody. Why do people even think Neji will have a chance?

What was I thinking? I completely forgot about the Level 2 Seal activated. Neji's never faced an opponent who could sustain Level 2 . . .

Wait! He has!
YEAH KIDOMARU AND SASUKE ARE JUST THE SAME.

Seriously, just shut up and go to hell.

they arent. Kidomaru has loads of advantage over Neji. Sasuke doesnt.
now u shut up

[Mite Gai]

Oh yeah, throw my vote in with Neji, it appears that Strider just owned every Sasuke fan and I already think Neji would win.

EDIT: it appears that Jadguar included my vote for Neji in the update so never mind, I still think Neji would win though.

[vasco]

Neji could defeat Sasuke within 60s

00s: get ready
01s: Sasueke - Sharingan, Neji - Byakugan
As Sasuke and Neji are stand so close at begining, Sasuke will be in Neji's 64 hits range already
02s: Neji - 64 hits is ready, Sasuke will not have chance to make any hand seal, so force to hand-to-hand combat
03s: Neji 64 hits start
OK, let say Sasuke is so smart, he use Sharingan to dodge every hit
15s: Neji 64 hits end
Let say Sasuke dodge all by Sharingan, and got zero damage, and I even let him barly to jump out of 64 hit attack range
16s: Neji - 128 hits get ready (actually, he even don't need to get ready... ) and go...
128 hits is double speed and bigger range, sasuke (a non close combat specialist) "may" able to block all but should never able to dodge all.
30s: 128 hits end.
OK, Let say the lucky Sasuke block all and no critied point damage, but there is NO WAY he got zero damage in this attack, and stand far away from Neji
31s: Kaiten
Sasuke got to get direct hit by this. Ok, let say he could block the front, and fly away like a bird ^o^
35s: Neji stop Kaiten, use 128 Hits immediately (sweet)
As Sasuke is flying away (in the air), there is no way he can block the back / front in the same time now... sasuke force to eat this attack for sure.
50s: 128 hits end
OK, Sasuke got some hits for sure this time... even just one, that is enough... because it will slow down his movement... another 64 / 128 hits can finish him
60s: Neji succeed to hit all chakra point, no chakra flow in Sasuke body, and Sasuke got phy damage from 128 hits as well...
Game Over, Winner is ... Neji, Prefect.

By the way, the whole attack give no time for Sasuke to do hand seal, so no Chidori, no fire spell, or any ninja teachnique. Even Sasuke know Byakugan's blind point, it will not affect at all.

Yeah, let's all put Sasuke in a situation where Neji has the advantage. Fair!

[Phoenix20578]

Originally posted by: vasco
Neji could defeat Sasuke within 60s

00s: get ready
01s: Sasueke - Sharingan, Neji - Byakugan
As Sasuke and Neji are stand so close at begining, Sasuke will be in Neji's 64 hits range already
02s: Neji - 64 hits is ready, Sasuke will not have chance to make any hand seal, so force to hand-to-hand combat
03s: Neji 64 hits start
OK, let say Sasuke is so smart, he use Sharingan to dodge every hit
15s: Neji 64 hits end
Let say Sasuke dodge all by Sharingan, and got zero damage, and I even let him barly to jump out of 64 hit attack range
16s: Neji - 128 hits get ready (actually, he even don't need to get ready... ) and go...
128 hits is double speed and bigger range, sasuke (a non close combat specialist) "may" able to block all but should never able to dodge all.
30s: 128 hits end.
OK, Let say the lucky Sasuke block all and no critied point damage, but there is NO WAY he got zero damage in this attack, and stand far away from Neji
31s: Kaiten
Sasuke got to get direct hit by this. Ok, let say he could block the front, and fly away like a bird ^o^
35s: Neji stop Kaiten, use 128 Hits immediately (sweet)
As Sasuke is flying away (in the air), there is no way he can block the back / front in the same time now... sasuke force to eat this attack for sure.
50s: 128 hits end
OK, Sasuke got some hits for sure this time... even just one, that is enough... because it will slow down his movement... another 64 / 128 hits can finish him
60s: Neji succeed to hit all chakra point, no chakra flow in Sasuke body, and Sasuke got phy damage from 128 hits as well...
Game Over, Winner is ... Neji, Prefect.

By the way, the whole attack give no time for Sasuke to do hand seal, so no Chidori, no fire spell, or any ninja teachnique. Even Sasuke know Byakugan's blind point, it will not affect at all.

Thats not biased, nooooo, thats perfectly justifed. It's not like
some Neji fanboy wrote all that up, and Neji just happened to win...

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Yeah, let's all put Sasuke in a situation where Neji has the advantage. Fair!


your completely correct (i quoted you because i didnt feel like quoting the above) but vasco i could easily say

1. neji vs sasuke
2. byakugan...sharingan
3. with sasuke's SPEED sasuke runs out of close combat range (what what the fuck do you mean sasuke's not close range combat?! everybody in naruto is besides temari and tenten)
4. sasuke uses cursed seal
5. neji is busy going O_O!
6. sasuke uses speed to perform sheshi rendan (lion combo)
7. lets JUST say neji used kaiten to block sasuke away.
8. sasuke use's a katon jutsu (we havent seen neji's kaiten block chakra attacks so if the flame spins with it... eh i dunno where i'm going with this but...)
9. during neji's kaiten (remember sasuke can perform katon jutsu from far ranges) sasuke does seals and powers up his chidori (with cursed seal affect)
10. LETS JUST say neji blocked all of the katon attack, right after neji stoppes spinning, sasuke charges with chidori.
BOOM fight over neji=owned.
11. and for no reason naruto will use rasnegan

edit: if you havent figured it out, my votes for sasuke

Originally posted by: Strider
The ultimate defense.

Yeah.

Thanks for stopping by.

Next?
Seriously, shut up. You and tons of other people don't have any what you guys are talking about. I'm going to break down Neji and his moves.

The problem with Neji's 64 hands of hakke, or whatever it is called, that attacks the tenketsu has been proven to be reversible by Naruto with enormous amounts of chakra. From what we've seen so far, Sasuke at level 2 has WAY more chakra than most characters and even more than Naruto (referring to him outlasting Naruto in their last fight). There's always a big chance that if Sasuke is somehow hit by Neji's hakke attack, he can always recover and fight back just like Naruto did. Neji relying on his main attack to disable someone who has so much chakra is too iffy for me to say that it's reliable and enough to beat Sasuke.

Neji's kaiten isn't even an ultimate defense anymore. We now know that he doesn't spin fast enough to stop stupid spiders from penetrating and clogging his shit up. That just means one thing. Sasuke's 3 comma'd sharingan can counter Neji's kaiten and its fast spin velocity. Then I'm gonna say that Sasuke can dodge every one of Neji's hakke attacks using his sharingan. Neji is a fast guy, but I refuse to believe that he is faster than kyuubi'd Naruto. Sorry, just no.

And then there is byakugan, Neji's most essential ability in any fight. The only slight advantage Neji has over Sasuke is that he can see almost everything around him. But then it all comes down to how fast can Neji react and how good Sasuke's sharingan is. Let me go back to my previous point about Neji not being fast than kyuubi'd Naruto: he isn't faster, and that just means that Sasuke, using his sharingan, can rape his face.



Originally posted by: heero
they arent. Kidomaru has loads of advantage over Neji. Sasuke doesnt.
now u shut up
I don't even know who you are. Go away.

[XanBcoo]

I think Chaoskiddo's #11 is the only thing we can say with uncertainty.

Edit:

I WAS going to say what Mut said about how Sasuke could recover from the 64 hakke thing, but then I thought of how he killed Kidomaru - who was only slightly weaker than Sasuke. Or maybe he was a lot weaker. Whatever the case, that fact also muddles things up a bit.

My reason for voting Sasuke: level 2 curse seal = stronger, faster, and more chakra. Which was enough to beat a "level 2 kyuubi-Naruto".

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
I WAS going to say what Mut said about how Sasuke could recover from the 64 hakke thing, but then I thought of how he killed Kidomaru - who was only slightly weaker than Sasuke. Or maybe he was a lot weaker. Whatever the case, that fact also muddles things up a bit.
That's the thing, Sasuke is tremendously more powerful than Kidoumaru. In Shounen anime, the exiting point of a character (especially villains) in the plot/arc/saga is what usually determines their significance and strength. I hate to say this but DBZ is a classic example.

[vasco]

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
1. neji vs sasuke
2. byakugan...sharingan
3. with sasuke's SPEED sasuke runs out of close combat range (what what the fuck do you mean sasuke's not close range combat?! everybody in naruto is besides temari and tenten)
4. sasuke uses cursed seal
5. neji is busy going O_O!
6. sasuke uses speed to perform sheshi rendan (lion combo)
7. lets JUST say neji used kaiten to block sasuke away.
8. sasuke use's a katon jutsu (we havent seen neji's kaiten block chakra attacks so if the flame spins with it... eh i dunno where i'm going with this but...)
9. during neji's kaiten (remember sasuke can perform katon jutsu from far ranges) sasuke does seals and powers up his chidori (with cursed seal affect)
10. LETS JUST say neji blocked all of the katon attack, right after neji stoppes spinning, sasuke charges with chidori.
BOOM fight over neji=owned.
11. and for no reason naruto will use rasnegan

Mistake 1: Line 3
There are 3 type of Ninja skills: Ninja Teachnique (like chidori), Illusion Technique, Close Combat
Very obvious, Niji is Close Combat type, and Sasuke is Ninja Teachnique type (as he use so many spell)
Mistake 2: Line 3
Sasuke can run faster than Neji? And he can run out of 64 hit attack range? Come on... Even Sasuke after chidori traning, Sasuke may run as fast as Rock Lee, but he will run out Stamina will run out in no time... (See Sasuke vs Garra). Besides, you are telling me Sasuke run backward faster than Neji run forward?
Mistake 3: Line 3
64 Hits take zero second to get ready... Besides Sasuke know Neji will use it at begining, and get ready to run from begining, there is no way Sasuke body could react so fast... (even with his Sharingan, he at most can dodge)
Mistake 4: Line 4 and 5
Why Neji is buzy going but Sasuke has time to release blood seal? non-sence
Mistake 5: Line 6 and 7
If Sasuke really use lion combo, which mean Sasuke and Neji are zero distant,. When Neji use kaiten, Sasuke eat direct damage (losee)
Mistake 6: Line 10
Remember the battle between Neji and Kidoumaru, Even Neji force to split Kaiten, Neji still can release his chakra to block his last thowing knife. (Chidori may hit this time) And, he also can simple "walk" away from the chidori attack after all fireball attack (otherwise, why he need to stop Kaiten?).
Can Kaiten block Chidori or not, let the author decided that...
Mistake 7: Overall
For any reason, if Sasuke really can run away from 64 hit attack range, or he is not in attack range from begining, why Neji need to charge him? In that case, see my another article before (the 24 hrs long battle)
My simulation is base on Sasuke and Neji fight fair at begining, face to face (like the exam). Sasuke will stand within 64 hit attack range, even with Blood Seal, and Neji could charge without broken in the middle

[Mr.X]

I thought the curse seal uses up chakra just to activate it? I think Sasuke said that somewhere in the anime when he got the third dot in his eyes. I dunno, that's what i remember at the time. So, if Sasuke was hit by the 64 hands..wouldn't that mean he could not activate it?

[vasco]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
... that attacks the tenketsu has been proven to be reversible by Naruto with enormous amounts of chakra. From what we've seen so far...

Sasuke does not have 2nd chakra, and it time to recovery



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
There's always a big chance that if Sasuke is somehow hit by Neji's hakke attack, he can always recover and fight back just like Naruto did.
64 hit is a linked attack, there is no room you can counter-attack once you got hit (escape you said he dodge all)



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Neji's kaiten isn't even an ultimate defense anymore. We now know that he doesn't spin fast enough to stop stupid spiders from penetrating and clogging his shit up.
It is because the spider thing is sticky... it cause Neji cannot split, but Sasuke has nothing to stick with Kaiten.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
That just means one thing. Sasuke's 3 comma'd sharingan can counter Neji's kaiten and its fast spin velocity.
Ok, Sasuke is smart, but he is not Sakura. I don't think he can do such kind of calculation (Proven from writing exam - Sasuke "I don't understand, not even one question")



Originally posted by: Mut@chiNeji is a fast guy, but I refuse to believe that he is faster than kyuubi'd Naruto. Sorry, just no.
Well, Naruto is Ninja Technique, but Neji is Close Combat type, who know who is faster?



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
The only slight advantage Neji has over Sasuke is that he can see almost everything around him.
That make a lot different



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
But then it all comes down to how fast can Neji react and how good Sasuke's sharingan is. Let me go back to my previous point about Neji not being fast than kyuubi'd Naruto: he isn't faster, and that just means that Sasuke, using his sharingan, can rape his face.
Again, Neji is close combat type, and he is fast as well... Remember Neji win Lee (Lee has super fast speed)

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi

The problem with Neji's 64 hands of hakke, or whatever it is called, that attacks the tenketsu has been proven to be reversible by Naruto with enormous amounts of chakra. From what we've seen so far, Sasuke at level 2 has WAY more chakra than most characters and even more than Naruto (referring to him outlasting Naruto in their last fight). There's always a big chance that if Sasuke is somehow hit by Neji's hakke attack, he can always recover and fight back just like Naruto did. Neji relying on his main attack to disable someone who has so much chakra is too iffy for me to say that it's reliable and enough to beat Sasuke.

Naruto didn't survive the 64 palms because he has a huge amount of chakra, he got through it because he has two chakra flows and only one was cut off. As far as we can see Sasuke, while clearly also having a great amount, only has one flow, and there's no evidence anyone without two flows can take the 64 palms.

Could happen though.

[darkmetal505]

heres my opinion. Everyone who says either sasuke or neji will own each other needs to think it through logically because if you dont, you are just presenting a case of a fallacy in hasty generalization. Remember, what we think is just purely hypothetical. We never know under what circumstances neji and sasuke will meet in. Mut is right in saying there isnt any correlation between the spider guy's and sasuke's CS 2 because Kishimoto can pull anything he wants out of the wazoo. If you think about it, neji should have owned naruto, but naruto ended up winning. Also who knows what crazy ass techniques sasuke has learned (and if he has developed mangekoyu sharingan or not, in which case he would murder neji). Also the notion that sasuke is not a genius is a little off. I dont think that being a "genius" in naruto world means making all new jutsus, instead its the ability to be adequate in everything aspect of being a ninja and work them proficiently (maybe even have a bloodline). As for my vote: Rock Lee all the way!

[vasco]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
heres my opinion. Everyone who says either sasuke or neji will own each other needs to think it through logically because if you dont, you are just presenting a case of a fallacy in hasty generalization. Remember, what we think is just purely hypothetical. We never know under what circumstances neji and sasuke will meet in. Mut is right in saying there isnt any correlation between the spider guy's and sasuke's CS 2 because Kishimoto can pull anything he wants out of the wazoo. If you think about it, neji should have owned naruto, but naruto ended up winning. Also who knows what crazy ass techniques sasuke has learned (and if he has developed mangekoyu sharingan or not, in which case he would murder neji). Also the notion that sasuke is not a genius is a little off. I dont think that being a "genius" in naruto world means making all new jutsus, instead its the ability to be adequate in everything aspect of being a ninja and work them proficiently (maybe even have a bloodline). As for my vote: Rock Lee all the way!

I like "there isnt any correlation between the spider guy's and sasuke's CS 2" and "what crazy ass techniques sasuke has learned"... I agree with that, that why i create the simulation that cover as much as possible...

By the way, about the genius part. Personally, I did not add much of that in my post... and just other people say Sasuke and Neji are genius (actually, everyone is genius, he/r has his/her talent ^_^)

[XanBcoo]

Vasco, this isn't pokemon, there aren't 3 "types" of Ninja that are better than another in any given situation. You're going about this argument the wrong way by creating a "simulation" in which you decide the events (with a bias in mind).

Mut's comment about the spiders was referring to the fact that Kaiten CAN be stopped and it is possible to find a way around it. It's not a "Neji uses kaiten BOOM you're dead" situation.

The 64 hakke attack is not instant either. Neji must go into his stance and then launch the attack. Sasuke, with his speed and sharingan, could suitably escape or counter that attack (especially if he has the curse seal activated).

As far as the curse seal's chakra goes, you could say that it creates another chakra flow, as does Naruto's Kyuubi-chakra. Who knows if it can take a hit from the Hakke. As you say, it's up to the author.

Also, both Neji and Sasuke have been called "genious" because they are above the skill of their peers.

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo


Also, both Neji and Sasuke have been called "genious" because they are above the skill of their peers.

agreed

[Shuurai]

Sasuke level 2 all the way.

[ChaosK]

jadugar since you needed something mroe clear I VOTE FOR SASUKE.

[heero]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
As far as the curse seal's chakra goes, you could say that it creates another chakra flow, as does Naruto's Kyuubi-chakra. Who knows if it can take a hit from the Hakke. As you say, it's up to the author.


Thats not exactly true. In the fight between Neji and Kidomaru, Kidomaru said it himself that he was scared he might be hit from Neji's attack because it can stop his chakra flow. Also, I remember Sasuke saying that the seal just releases his chakra to his full potential. Never said it gives him another chakra flow. Otherwise it wouldnt hurt him at all to use it.

[vasco]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Vasco, this isn't pokemon, there aren't 3 "types" of Ninja that are better than another in any given situation. You're going about this argument the wrong way by creating a "simulation" in which you decide the events (with a bias in mind).
1> I say 3 type of Ninja skills (i did not say 3 type of Ninja, OK, my sentance may be ambigous)


Originally posted by: vasco
Mistake 1: Line 3
There are 3 type of Ninja skills: Ninja Teachnique (like chidori), Illusion Technique, Close Combat[/a]
2> Most of the Ninja can use all 3 teachniques (actually, he need to in order to graduate from academic), but most of the Ninja can only forcus on 1, at most 2 (I did not see one Ninja can master all 3, even Hokage). And it is very obvious Sasuke is good at Ninja Technique, and Neji is good at Close combat
3> I make my Simulation as fair as possible... if my simulation is not fair, you are telling the exam in Naruto is not fair either (because i take it as background).
Everyone is bias, we know. But i try to make it as fair as possible ^_^
By the way, i am not interested in poke'mon at all.



Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Mut's comment about the spiders was referring to the fact that Kaiten CAN be stopped and it is possible to find a way around it. It's not a "Neji uses kaiten BOOM you're dead" situation.
OK, then please tell me how to stop/nautralize with Sasuke skill in your point of view



Originally posted by: XanBcoo
The 64 hakke attack is not instant either. Neji must go into his stance and then launch the attack. Sasuke, with his speed and sharingan, could suitably escape or counter that attack (especially if he has the curse seal activated).
The Instant mean it doesn't need hand seal, active chakra, or so ... See how long to use chidori and 64 hits, compare the time, you can see what i mean instant.
(By the way, instant noodles take 3 mins to cook, but it call instant because they are much faster than normal noodles. I said 64 hits is instant because Neji can use it much faster than other any technique. want to know how fast, see him change from 64hits -> 128hits, take almost zero second. if i mis-use the word 'instant', then the whole world mis-use it as well <-- that actually may be true ^_^)




Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Both Neji and Sasuke have been called "genious" because they are above the skill of their peers.
So, Lee call loser because he can open 5 gate? Come on! Ninja skill does not mean anything, Shikamaru is the only one pass the exam, but he was called the lazy one. so that mean shikamaru is better than genious (Sasuke?)

[vasco]

Originally posted by: Shuurai
Sasuke level 2 all the way.

You must want to kill Sasuke... Lv 2 Seal take a lot Chakra, we know that.... also, he could lose his mind if he keep in Lv 2 too long. If Neji play long game, and Sasuke use lv 2 seal all the way, Sasuke may die before Neji actually attack him.

Even i said that, but sound 4 (actually 5) are in Lv 2 for long, but they neither run out of chakra nor lose their mind, i wonder why....

[heero]

Originally posted by: vasco
So, Lee call loser because he can open 5 gate? Come on! Ninja skill does not mean anything, Shikamaru is the only one pass the exam, but he was called the lazy one. so that mean shikamaru is better than genious (Sasuke?)

actually in someways he is i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[XanBcoo]

First vasco, stop quoting my sentences individually. It makes it harder to read and respond. It also makes it a bitch to scroll through. Let Jadugar and Strider do that.

1. Even though some ninja are more talented in some areas than others, it doesn't mean that they suck in those others. Yes, Neji is a close-combat fighter. Does this mean he will lose to Sasuke in a Taijutsu fight? No. We know Sasuke has above average Taijutsu skills. It's hard to say who would win. They have different styles, Sasuke has his Sharingan and all the powers of his curse seal, and Neji has his Byakugan and can defend with Kaiten. Both are "fast" as well. I will say this; Sasuke would be stronger (in terms of physical strength) and probably wouldn't need long to overcome Neji.

I don't know how Sasuke would stop the Kaiten. He might just avoid it alltogether. He might decide to dodge it and wait for an opening. He might try and break through with a powerful attack with Chidori. This has already been discussed.

Yes, Neji's 64-hits is "instant" if you relate it to other jutsu which take longer to activate, but then you'd have to assume they're using them at the same time. I doubt Sasuke would use Chidori in a situation where he would leave himself open to attack.

Also, I'm sad to admit it. I am the biggest Rock Lee fanboy, but I gotta say: Despite the fact that he can open the 5 gates, he's nowhere near as strong as Neji or Sasuke. He is a "genious of hard work" however, meaning that he COULD reach Sasu/Neji's level of skill, but he'd have to go through a hell of a lot to do it. In a fight, he would be beaten (and has been beaten, as we've seen). Even Shikamaru admits that if he fought even Chouji, he might lose. He was picked as the only chuunin for a specific reason. It really depends on your use of the word genious. But this is going off topic and has nothing to do with the fight. Let's just accept that Neji and Sasuke are top tier amongst their peers.

Edit: Honestly, I think it would turn out in a stalemate. But I'm voting for Sasuke.

[6Zabuza9]

I VOTE FOR SASUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[vasco]

OK, less quoting this time, XanBcoo

1> you said "some ninja are more talented in some areas than others, it doesn't mean that they suck in those others"
I agree somehow. but, in that case, could you say "Sakura could win Lee in close combat"? Sure, Sasuke has good combat skills as well ... but there is no way he can beat Neji in close combat (but for sure, sasuke could beat Neji in something else, just like Kakashi and Gai.)
About the Speed, we see Sasuke speed when vs Garra, and Neji speed when 128 hits, but we can see Sasuke run out of stamina very fast. But on the other hand, Sasuke may has a stronger hit because Neji does "intra-damage" instead of Lee's phy damage.
2> kaiten, let just end it, no result anyway
3> 64 hit... "you'd have to assume they're using them at the same time." <- My simulation is Neji use 64 hit right after Byakugan (sasuke use sharingan in the same time), so Sasuke won't have any time to form any hand seal, so he cannot use ninja teachnique (for sure, that is i assume he need hand seal for all his attack Ninja technique, and i don't know does Sasuke know non-hand seal spell)
if Sasuke prefer use other skill besides sharingan at begining, the simulation will not the same, but i don't think sasuke will stand a chance if he don't use sharingan at very begining.
4> Genius - Well, we can open a new thread to discuss it ^_^

Why do people keep thinking that Neji is SO FUCKING FAST that Sasuke won't just be able to dodge Neji's attacks? During Sasuke's fight with Naruto as soon as Sasuke obtained the 3rd comma, he stood there contemplating how he should smash Naruto's face in while kyuubi'd Naruto was lunging straight at him. Jesus christ, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Sasuke's sharingan is enormously improved, which can only mean that Neji will always be in slow motion in Sasuke's eyes no matter how fast Neji is.

Oops, I double posted.



Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Naruto didn't survive the 64 palms because he has a huge amount of chakra, he got through it because he has two chakra flows and only one was cut off. As far as we can see Sasuke, while clearly also having a great amount, only has one flow, and there's no evidence anyone without two flows can take the 64 palms.
No, you're wrong. Chakra can only work one way, and it flows through the tenketsu only. There is no other way of chakra being released for Naruto. He jus has two sources for chakra; one as his own and the other one is kyuubi, obviously. His tenketsu were clearly shut off by Neji, but he used the demon fox chakra to overpower hakke's effects.



Originally posted by: vasco
Sasuke does not have 2nd chakra, and it time to recovery
It doesn't matter if you have a second chakra or not, chakra can be released only one way and that's through your tenketsu. Naruto used his kyuubi chakra to just overpower the effects of hakke. If Naruto can reverse it with just tons of chakra, why can't Sasuke? And I don't even know what your second sentence is saying.



64 hit is a linked attack, there is no room you can counter-attack once you got hit (escape you said he dodge all)
That's perfectly fine, Sasuke shouldn't even be hit by the initial hit in the first place with his sharingan.



It is because the spider thing is sticky... it cause Neji cannot split, but Sasuke has nothing to stick with Kaiten.
Clearly, the main reason why he wasn't able to spin was because of the sticky spider web, but my point was that since some spiders were able to penetrate the defense and stick webs on him, there's no reason why Sasuke can't do the same considering he uses the sharingan.



Ok, Sasuke is smart, but he is not Sakura. I don't think he can do such kind of calculation (Proven from writing exam - Sasuke "I don't understand, not even one question")
What the hell are you talking about? You completely missed my point. I wasn't talking about anything that involves intelligence. I was strictly referring to the fact that Sasuke's sharingan is so advanced (than before), he should see Neji's spinning kaiten as just normal movement. That would negate the fast spin velocity which would give Sasuke plenty of openings.



Well, Naruto is Ninja Technique, but Neji is Close Combat type, who know who is faster?
Naruto uses taijutsu pretty much as much as ninjutsu, and that isn't even relevant to what we're talking about. Neji doesn't focus on speed to use as his advantage; that's Lee. Neji's fighting style is structured from using finese techniques to immbolize his opponents and ultimately leaving them out of chakra (aka dead). Neji has never been known for his speed, while people like Naruto and Lee have.



That make a lot different
No, it doesn't really make that much of a difference against a sharingan user. Neji's advantage with the byakugan only lasts until Sasuke uses his sharingan to compensate for Neji's near-perfect vision. It doesn't matter if Neji can see everything around him, once he reacts to Sasuke's attack, Sasuke can pretty much just move out of the way because of the abilities of sharingan.



Again, Neji is close combat type, and he is fast as well... Remember Neji win Lee (Lee has super fast speed)
Neji would win every fight against a dumbass like Lee because without opening gates, Lee is a practice dummy against a natural genius like Neji. And Gai has always forbid Lee from opening the gates. We know this since Neji was surprised during Lee's fight against Gaara.

Everybody, just stop. You can't beat me.

[XanBcoo]

Yeah, Vasco, of course Sakura couldn't beat Lee, but Neji and Sasuke are more similar in their abilities than those two. It's hard to say who's better because neither are radically stronger in Taijutsu. They each fight well, and each have an eye techinque to help them.

Come to think of it, Sasuke has never seen the 64 hit technique, so he would not expect to dodge it. If he did manage to escape it, it would be because of his speed and sharingan (Imagine him quickly jumping backwards, or upwards, or using kawarimi). I guess it just comes down to whether or not he can escape that move. And also if Sasuke can recover from it - which he may not be able to do.

I'm sticking with Sasuke though, he's just considerably more powerful with his curse seal. Even without it, I think it would be a close fight.

Edit: bleah, nevermind the quoting thing. People are gonna do it anyway. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Mite Gai
it appears that Strider just owned every Sasuke fan
Looking at the recent posts I think you are going to have to eat those words.



Looks like I have been off for too long for Neji lovers bashing. Xan and Mut have destroyed every single one of them. There is no one left for me except Strider.


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Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
jadugar since you needed something mroe clear I VOTE FOR SASUKE.



Originally posted by: Shuurai
Sasuke level 2 all the way.

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SASUKE : 13
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NEJI : 11
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@ Strider : Your move!

[vasco]

It seem a lot of Sasuke fan think He can faster than Neji ... OK, let's see this example
- Sasuke may obtain fast speed, but we also know it draw back as well (It draw a lot of stamina from him) if he use blood seal to increase the speed, he could run out of stamina and chakra in no time (forget about it)
- We could see Neji speed from 128 hits + how he dodge/hit every sprider and thowing knife. If the same goes to Sasuke, do you think Sasuke can do the same thing with his speed? (Sure, Sasuke can use fire spell take care all, but we are talking about speed here)
By the way, in Sasuke eye, everything may be slow down... but in Neji eye (When he hiting sprider, everything seem STOP.... so, who is faster? And, Sasuke may see fast, but can body can react with it? if not, junk!

about the 64 hits... the only way Sasuke will not get damage from it is either dodge or block it with chakra... Instead of saying can Sasuke recovere chakra flow or not after get hit (since Naruto and Sasuke are different), what about the the damage Neji done on Sasuke from 64 hits? Remember when Neji vs Hinata, they said Neji attack is use Chakra to damage interanl organ (even a small damage is fatal)... so, if sasuke did not dodge 64 hits, just block it with arm or so, his arm won't able to use for sure. (Sasuke will become dead meat)

About Kaiten, Until you can give me a way how Sasuke can stop it, otherwise, don't said sasuke can stop it

My simulation is byakugan > 64 hits > 128 hits > Kaiten > 128hit (when Sasuke flying) > Game over
I did bot expect either the first 64 and 128 do much damage to sasuke, and use Kaiten to make him fly like a bird, then Sasuke lose defence and finish him. The whole simulation is link (no room / time for you to stop kaiten anyway), Sasuke will have no chance to do any counter-attack.

Lv2 seal doesn't mean anything to me because Neji can kill Sasuke by one hit (to the heart, don't tell me he can live without heart), so 128 hits is good enough to make sure he die 128 times ^_^

[The Heretic Azazel]

The only way Sasuke could stop Kaiten is probably with his Sharingan-controlled windmill blades, but I dunno if Neji would fall for that.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: vasco
Lv2 seal doesn't mean anything to me because Neji can kill Sasuke by one hit (to the heart, don't tell me he can live without heart), so 128 hits is good enough to make sure he die 128 times ^_^

That would mean that he would actually have to HIT him though. Sasuke is fast and skilled enough (with the sharingan) to dodge Neji's attacks. Think of when Neji fought Hinata. They fought for a while without either of them getting hit - and that was Hinata! Sasuke is several classes above her in terms of skill. You keep saying Neji will hit Sasuke and kill him instantly...no he won't. For the rest of your post:

Sasuke can fight for more than a few seconds without running out of energy. Stop using stamina as a drawback. Neji is equally capable of getting tired.

Yes, Sasuke can dodge shit with his sharingan because he sees them in slow motion. He's also damn fast. Mut explained this. Didn't you read it? Have you seen the series?? Sasuke is FAST. Oh, and it has also been explained that Neji does not see in slow motion - that was just a camera effect for showing us the speed of the 128 hit attack.

For the last time, Sasuke can avoid the Kaiten or possibly break through it with a chidori. You seem to be imagining your "simulation" with Sasuke having weights on his feet or something. He can do a number of things to get out of the way - dodging, using a jutsu, etc. Or even block it with the curse seal (wing-hands).

For the record...are we counting the 128 hit attack? That was an anime only move, so are we counting it as legit?

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: vasco
About Kaiten, Until you can give me a way how Sasuke can stop it, otherwise, don't said sasuke can stop it


Kaiten is a defense move, moron.

Kaiten is used by Neji to deflect attacks. Thats way Sasuke's Chidori will be more than effective and wil rip it apart.




Originally posted by: vascob
But in Neji eye (When he hiting sprider, everything seem STOP....

That was kidimaru not Naruto going fucking berserk aided by Kayubi. Sasuke lv 2 even matched Naruto (powered by kayubi)'s speed.

Do not compare kidimaru with Naruto.




Originally posted by: vasco
My simulation is byakugan > 64 hits > 128 hits > Kaiten > 128hit (when Sasuke flying) > Game over
I did bot expect either the first 64 and 128 do much damage to sasuke, and use Kaiten to make him fly like a bird, then Sasuke lose defence and finish him. The whole simulation is link (no room / time for you to stop kaiten anyway), Sasuke will have no chance to do any counter-attack.

You and your simulations. Stop living in the dream world where Neji is the fag king. In the real world Sasuke would rape him before he could say bya....




Originally posted by: vasco
Lv2 seal doesn't mean anything to me because Neji can kill Sasuke by one hit

Making assumptions again. Here is my assumption. Neji is open to any attack and Sasuke fires a Chidori directly to his heart ( I would have prefered to see it go through his eyes or my favorite, through his balls).

I see another smulation coming............

[Jaredster]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
The only way Sasuke could stop Kaiten is probably with his Sharingan-controlled windmill blades, but I dunno if Neji would fall for that.

Or just a direct chidori probably. I don't think Kaiten has the power to deflect it that fast.

Originally posted by: vasco
It seem a lot of Sasuke fan think He can faster than Neji ... OK, let's see this example
- Sasuke may obtain fast speed, but we also know it draw back as well (It draw a lot of stamina from him) if he use blood seal to increase the speed, he could run out of stamina and chakra in no time (forget about it)
- We could see Neji speed from 128 hits + how he dodge/hit every sprider and thowing knife. If the same goes to Sasuke, do you think Sasuke can do the same thing with his speed? (Sure, Sasuke can use fire spell take care all, but we are talking about speed here)
By the way, in Sasuke eye, everything may be slow down... but in Neji eye (When he hiting sprider, everything seem STOP.... so, who is faster? And, Sasuke may see fast, but can body can react with it? if not, junk!

about the 64 hits... the only way Sasuke will not get damage from it is either dodge or block it with chakra... Instead of saying can Sasuke recovere chakra flow or not after get hit (since Naruto and Sasuke are different), what about the the damage Neji done on Sasuke from 64 hits? Remember when Neji vs Hinata, they said Neji attack is use Chakra to damage interanl organ (even a small damage is fatal)... so, if sasuke did not dodge 64 hits, just block it with arm or so, his arm won't able to use for sure. (Sasuke will become dead meat)

About Kaiten, Until you can give me a way how Sasuke can stop it, otherwise, don't said sasuke can stop it

My simulation is byakugan > 64 hits > 128 hits > Kaiten > 128hit (when Sasuke flying) > Game over
I did bot expect either the first 64 and 128 do much damage to sasuke, and use Kaiten to make him fly like a bird, then Sasuke lose defence and finish him. The whole simulation is link (no room / time for you to stop kaiten anyway), Sasuke will have no chance to do any counter-attack.

Lv2 seal doesn't mean anything to me because Neji can kill Sasuke by one hit (to the heart, don't tell me he can live without heart), so 128 hits is good enough to make sure he die 128 times ^_^
This is honestly the most fanboyish shit I've ever read. It's not even remotely backed up by any sort of real concrete evidence. Thanks for wasting my time.

Also, can you tell me where Neji has performed the 128 hakke? The Naruto games don't count. And your simulation is beyond retarded considering you refuse make it an even playing field.

[vasco]

I Agree Sasuke is fast when vs Naruto (1 attack), but compare with thousands of sprider + thowing knife attacking you in all direct, can Sasuke dodge all really? If not, Neji win in speed. by the way, don't tell me Sasuke can dodge all sprider and thowing knife either because Sasuke cannot see the back (even with 3 dot sharingan).
Yes, Neji need to Hit sasuke first in order to make damage, but 64 hit just like 64 attacks (almost) in the same time and in different directions. Just like sprider and thowing knife attack in the same time.
(and I did not expect sasuke get hit from frist 64 hit anyway, i expected him to get hit when he fly away by Kaiten - lose graud)

If you say camera effect for showing us the speed of the 128 hit attack., then everything in naruto can be camera effect. Come on, you just keep avoid to admit the Neji speed.

I use 128 hit in my simulation just to push Sasuke more to the concer, that all... not important really...

You said Sasuke and Hinata is different Level, ok, i agree... but it does not make it sound any better... because Sasuke cannot really use chakra to cover/protect his body (besides chidori, but he one hand use chidori, another hand hold it, which mean chidori is hard to control, so hemay not block it with chidori). If he block by bare hand, his hand will damage by chakra and become useless...

Kaiten vs Chidori again? didn't we stop this topic already? I said "find a way to stop Kaiten" because someone say Sasuke can, for sure, Sasuke don't need to. By the way, I did not use Kaiten to defence, I use it as offence.

Sure, If Neji direct hit by chidori in heart, Neji will dead... but remember, when Sasuke vs Naruto, Sasuke need to stop and hold Naruto in order to make sure hit Naruto... Which mean it is a finish move. Do you think Sasuke can defeat Neji to that level without Chidori (ooop.. out of topic, forget that sentance), the thing i want to say is, Sasuke will not waste chidori in Kaiten or others, he only use it when it is 100% sure hit.

I like Jadugar's assumption, but it did not cover much support. My simulation is Neji force Sasuke to close combat, push him to concer, make him off graud, then finish him. If you want to break this simulation, you either need to make it cannot happened at begining (Sasuke is not in 64 hit range, if in fair, like in exam, Sasuke will in the 64 hits range), or Sasuke can do soemthing in the middle (how? don't just say run away or so)

Last, you, sasuke fans, always say "in the real world, sasuke will/could do .... to Neji" come on, everything we say in this forum are our opinion. until it really happen in series, otherwise it will never "in the real world", but your own world (that why we are here to shared our opinion).

[vasco]

Originally posted by: Jaredster
Or just a direct chidori probably. I don't think Kaiten has the power to deflect it that fast.
We talk about that before already... Chidori vs Kaiten... If people really want to discuss it, open a new thread please
By the way, i said stop Kaiten (because someone said Sasuke could), not break!



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
This is honestly the most fanboyish shit I've ever read. It's not even remotely backed up by any sort of real concrete evidence. Thanks for wasting my time.
Come on, everyone is the same, once you give comment on this topic, nee? by the way, "It's not even remotely backed up by any sort of real concrete evidence" then, until really Sasuke vs Neji happened in series, otherwise, everything we said here are all the same, "It's not even remotely backed up by any sort of real concrete evidence"



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Also, can you tell me where Neji has performed the 128 hakke? The Naruto games don't count. And your simulation is beyond retarded considering you refuse make it an even playing field.

In Aone and ANBU version, Ep 116-117, 13:20 (he use 128 hit there)

Originally posted by: vasco
In Aone and ANBU version, Ep 116-117, 13:20 (he use 128 hit there)
I'll respond to your other arguments later, but can you tell me which chapter he uses 128 hakke? I don't have the Naruto episodes, I only keep the manga.

[vasco]

Oh, sorry about that, 128 hit only in anime, it did not exist in comic (I hear from other people said that)
In anime, Neji use it vs Kidoumaru's sprider and thowing knife

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: vasco
I Agree Sasuke is fast when vs Naruto (1 attack), but compare with thousands of sprider + thowing knife attacking you in all direct, can Sasuke dodge all really? If not, Neji win in speed. by the way, don't tell me Sasuke can dodge all sprider and thowing knife either because Sasuke cannot see the back (even with 3 dot sharingan).
Yes, Neji need to Hit sasuke first in order to make damage, but 64 hit just like 64 attacks (almost) in the same time and in different directions. Just like sprider and thowing knife attack in the same time.
(and I did not expect sasuke get hit from frist 64 hit anyway, i expected him to get hit when he fly away by Kaiten - lose graud)

If you say camera effect for showing us the speed of the 128 hit attack., then everything in naruto can be camera effect. Come on, you just keep avoid to admit the Neji speed.

It's spelled "spider" by the way. And it does not matter if he could see or dodge them, Sasuke is not fighting spiders. He's fighting Neji. I'm not denying that Neji is fast. He is. But Sasuke is also fast. The camera effect was to show that Neji was fast, but the Sharingan allows Sasuke to see and decipher movements. That's its power. It's not just a camera effect.

The 64 hit attack is from one direction, not all directions, so it is dodgeable by Sasuke. Well, in theory anyway. You're still going on about the Kaiten. STOP. Sasuke could very well avoid the Katen. Even if he does get hit (the chances of this being low), that does not gaurantee that Neji could follow up with another attack before Sasuke could recover.



Originally posted by: vasco
You said Sasuke and Hinata is different Level, ok, i agree... but it does not make it sound any better... because Sasuke cannot really use chakra to cover/protect his body (besides chidori, but he one hand use chidori, another hand hold it, which mean chidori is hard to control, so hemay not block it with chidori). If he block by bare hand, his hand will damage by chakra and become useless...
Hinata does not protect herself with chakra. In her fight with Neji, they were both deflecting the other's attacks. Sasuke could do the same. Or dodge all together. Or hit Neji first.

Edit: I'm going to say again, that I think it would result in a stalemate, with each side severely fucked over. Neither of these ninja are a pushover. But Sasuke has a better chance of winning.

[Naruto_RNG]

all neji need is one hit. neji's taijutsu is different then susake. unless susake learns to leak out chakara from his fingers he is finished. and if he dodge the attacks neji is not stupid to continue attacking over and over he will come up with another method. seal 2 or not just one hit, no kaiten, no 64 hits, no 128 or wha ever the hell moves neji uses. watch eps 40-50 of naruto. it is explained there. and stop this nonsense. i am not saying susake will just stand there he will put up a good fight but i the end neji is the winner. Mut@chi and Jadugar are u guys telling me neji is that retarded that he can't hit susake even once.

[XanBcoo]

Yes, Neji only needs a few good hits to Sasuke's heart in order to injure him, but that is easier said than done. Especially when fighting an insanely fast and powerful curse seal Sasuke.

I also agree that each side needs to consider the strength of the other. Neither Neji or Sasuke will "pwn" the other, but there will be a winner - Sasuke.

Oh, and @vasco: I don't think Sasuke would openly attack Neji with a Chidori. You're right. It is dodgeable and leaves Sasuke open to attack. The only way he could kill him with it is by imobilizing him - which would be hard to do.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Strider
So ..

That wasn't a long-range technique Neji caught Kisame with?

I have a lot to cover, so moving right along ..
You're pretty much the only one factoring in the post time-jump. Which is kinda dumb since there's no data on sasuke post time-jump yet. You cant formulate a hypothesis with incomplete variables, moron.



What was I thinking? I completely forgot about the Level 2 Seal activated. Neji's never faced an opponent who could sustain Level 2 . . .

Wait! He has!

Bump.
Why don't we "bump" the previous counter-arguments to that which have already been brought up way before you started your "going for the kill" maneuver. Level 2 Sasuke >> Level 2 Kidoumaru...next time read the whole discussion before posting.



Shit. In the series, Sasuke's got the entire village on him, excluding Hinata, but including Sakura. Gay.

And, on the boards .. you've got the Forum Faggot backing him. Nothing else to add here.
Good argument. Oh wait...before there was Sasuke, Neji was revered as the number #1 rookie by everyone. Even when you bring up points that don't support neji, you still manage to be wrong.



With a flick of his wrist to any one of the three hundred sixty tenketsu.

You speak as if Sasuke will even be capable of generating a Chidori.
So basically anyone who gets too close to neji will automatically have their tenketsu hit and lose? Is that why lee had a secret taijutsu move that was supposed to be the trick to beating neji, despite the fact that it means him getting right in neji's face?



In the same manner you're saying Chidori cancelled out the Rasengan, the Rasengan cancelled out the Chidori. It was a stalemate when the two techniques directly collided in the same fashion we'd imagine a Chidori striking Kaiten. So, from what you're stating .. the two would essentially cancel one another out. Still doesn't penetrate.

And, Neji can see through buildings and tree trunks, but not his own eyelids?

Neji does not need eye contact when he can see everything around him. It's Sasuke who would have to rely on instigating eye contact. Granted, he can even perform minute hypnosis like Kakashi did.
Ok, REGULAR chidori cancelled out REGULAR rasengan. First of all, rasengan in itself is more highly concentrated than kaiten is, but in any case, sasuke's black chidori would definitely penetrate that sucker.

And as I said before, neji's byakugan would leave him vulnerable to the hypnotic effects of the 3 pupil sharingan. The PURPOSE of closing your eyelids is to cover your eyes...if you can see through your eyelids, then whats the point? All byakugan will do is leave neji vulnerable to hypnoses from 360 degrees.

Idiots who pat themselves on the back before recieving the counter-argument: 1
[Strider]

Game. Set. Match.

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Oops, I double posted.



Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Naruto didn't survive the 64 palms because he has a huge amount of chakra, he got through it because he has two chakra flows and only one was cut off. As far as we can see Sasuke, while clearly also having a great amount, only has one flow, and there's no evidence anyone without two flows can take the 64 palms.
No, you're wrong. Chakra can only work one way, and it flows through the tenketsu only. There is no other way of chakra being released for Naruto. He jus has two sources for chakra; one as his own and the other one is kyuubi, obviously. His tenketsu were clearly shut off by Neji, but he used the demon fox chakra to overpower hakke's effects.


I forgot to quote this.. . we're both saying the same thing, there may not be 2 "flows" but Naruto has a chakra reserve that only a jinchuuriki would have, so it still doesn't apply to Sasuke. It's not that there's an immense amount of chakra, it's that nice little Kyuubi chakra reserve plot hole that exists so Naruto isn't allowed to die.

[Assertn]

but both sources of chakra still flow through the same circulatory system...the kyubi's had to have been so strong that it unblocked all the holes.

In this sense, all that it takes is just an immense amount of chakra. And that was when naruto had less access to kyubi chakra than he did fighting sasuke, and yet his chakra was about equal to level 2 sasuke's. I'm inclined to suspect that level 2 sasuke's chakra might be able to unblock tenketsu just the same...possibly

Pretty much in any anime series where a good guy has an instant-victory move, there's always the potential of an antagonist to simply be too strong for it to work. (ie. Orihime's tsubaki fairy being an instant-kill move, yet is capable of failing completely if the opponent is good enough)

[vasco]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
And as I said before, neji's byakugan would leave him vulnerable to the hypnotic effects of the 3 pupil sharingan. The PURPOSE of closing your eyelids is to cover your eyes...if you can see through your eyelids, then whats the point? All byakugan will do is leave neji vulnerable to hypnoses from 360 degrees.

From my point of view, Neji's 360 views is inner sight, which even if he lose his eyes, he still can 'see' it..
Did not get it? Just like you searching your penny (1 cent) in your porket, you know where your penny is, but you are not using your eye. Neji's 360 views just the much better version of searching penny. So, Sharingan's hypnoses will not work on Neji at all, once he close his eye.

Sleepy, respond others later....

Originally posted by: vasco
Oh, sorry about that, 128 hit only in anime, it did not exist in comic (I hear from other people said that)
In anime, Neji use it vs Kidoumaru's sprider and thowing knife
See, that's the thing man, you can't use the anime as a reliable source since the creator doesn't regulate what happens in all the scenes.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: vasco
From my point of view, Neji's 360 views is inner sight, which even if he lose his eyes, he still can 'see' it..
Did not get it? Just like you searching your penny (1 cent) in your porket, you know where your penny is, but you are not using your eye. Neji's 360 views just the much better version of searching penny. So, Sharingan's hypnoses will not work on Neji at all, once he close his eye.

Sleepy, respond others later....

That's an interesting theory, and you put thought into it. It seems like you're saying it's like touching the back of your head or something. You can do it instantly because you know where everything is, you just can't see it.

But that's not how Byakugan works. Neji can SEE 360 degrees around him. Not all at once though. I imagine it working like a chameleon, who can look in any direction except directly behind him. If I'm wrong, please correct me. The eyes themselves allow him to do this.

I'm basing this on his training with the birds, and basically any time the camera goes into "Byakugan-vision" and shows us what Neji sees.

[Assertn]

byakugan is a doujutsu
which means an "eye jutsu"

If someone wanted to go all kakashi-style and implant a hyuuga eye, then he'll be able to perform byakugan. Simple as that. Why else would there be links between sharingan and byakugan if eyes are irrelevant? Why else would the cloud village want a dead hyuga body if the real trick behind the byakugan bloodline is something intangible?

Originally posted by: vasco
I Agree Sasuke is fast when vs Naruto (1 attack), but compare with thousands of sprider + thowing knife attacking you in all direct, can Sasuke dodge all really? If not, Neji win in speed. by the way, don't tell me Sasuke can dodge all sprider and thowing knife either because Sasuke cannot see the back (even with 3 dot sharingan).
Sasuke should have the better chance of dodging all and any attack. Sharingan is just really cheap which gives him the "Matrix" ability allowing him to move and think at a normal pace while everything else is slowed down drastically.



Yes, Neji need to Hit sasuke first in order to make damage, but 64 hit just like 64 attacks (almost) in the same time and in different directions. Just like sprider and thowing knife attack in the same time.
(and I did not expect sasuke get hit from frist 64 hit anyway, i expected him to get hit when he fly away by Kaiten - lose graud)
As far as I know Neji's hakke doesn't hit any part of the body that he isn't facing after the initial hit. In other words, Neji hakke is only a direct frontal attack.



If you say camera effect for showing us the speed of the 128 hit attack., then everything in naruto can be camera effect. Come on, you just keep avoid to admit the Neji speed.

I use 128 hit in my simulation just to push Sasuke more to the concer, that all... not important really...
Neji's 128 hakke is not reliable support since it was never in the manga.



Sure, If Neji direct hit by chidori in heart, Neji will dead... but remember, when Sasuke vs Naruto, Sasuke need to stop and hold Naruto in order to make sure hit Naruto... Which mean it is a finish move. Do you think Sasuke can defeat Neji to that level without Chidori (ooop.. out of topic, forget that sentance), the thing i want to say is, Sasuke will not waste chidori in Kaiten or others, he only use it when it is 100% sure hit.
According to that logic, Neji would also need to first immoblize the opponent first in order to make his hits connect. Chidori and hakke are both attacks performed by the hands/arms. It doesn't make sense to say that one punching motion attack needs the target to be statioinary while the other one doesn't.

[XanBcoo]

Thing is though, that Chidori takes considerably longer (yes even a few seconds is considerable in a fight) to prepare for - the hand seals and charging. It also leaves him open to attack if he fails to connect the hit somehow. So they are not so similar. Neji isn't stupid, he'd find the flaws in Chidori and use them to his advantage

Though imagining it, I can't see Neji easily dodging a superpowered high speed chidori rocketing right at him.

I really wanna see this fight now XD.

[Assertn]

everyone seems to get the impression that neji is smarter than sasuke.
but i'm pretty sure both of them got near perfect scores in all categories at the academy

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: Naruto_RNG
all neji need is one hit. neji's taijutsu is different then susake. unless susake learns to leak out chakara from his fingers he is finished. and if he dodge the attacks neji is not stupid to continue attacking over and over he will come up with another method. seal 2 or not just one hit, no kaiten, no 64 hits, no 128 or wha ever the hell moves neji uses. watch eps 40-50 of naruto. it is explained there. and stop this nonsense. i am not saying susake will just stand there he will put up a good fight but i the end neji is the winner. Mut@chi and Jadugar are u guys telling me neji is that retarded that he can't hit susake even once.

geez, stop presenting hypothetical situations without concrete evidence! Are you even thinking right? all neji needs is one hit? "watch eps 40-50 of naruto", you need to watch it more closely. There are more than 1 tenkentsus (however you spell it) in the body, meaning neji needs to land way more than one single hit. Also, the CS was shown to "extract chakra forcibly from the users body". In this way, even if Sasuke is hit, he will be able to continue and pwn neji (although it does have sideeffects of girly face and limited time). Its kind of like adrenaline pumping through your body after you have been exhausted. There is also evidence shown with Naruto. He got hit with the 128 strikes, but managed to extract the kyubbi chakra and use it. The jyukken attacks dont deplete chakra, just merely render it useless. At this point and time, Sasuke would probably rape Neji. Im not saying Neji is bad (because he still owns), but he doesnt have the power (currently) to combat Sasuke. However, this is not anything written in stone, Kishimoto might just give Neji a "secret finger jutsu" (pardon the English dub naruto pun) and Neji will become awesome again.

My vote: Sasuke

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: vasco


Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
1. neji vs sasuke
2. byakugan...sharingan
3. with sasuke's SPEED sasuke runs out of close combat range (what what the fuck do you mean sasuke's not close range combat?! everybody in naruto is besides temari and tenten)
4. sasuke uses cursed seal
5. neji is busy going O_O!
6. sasuke uses speed to perform sheshi rendan (lion combo)
7. lets JUST say neji used kaiten to block sasuke away.
8. sasuke use's a katon jutsu (we havent seen neji's kaiten block chakra attacks so if the flame spins with it... eh i dunno where i'm going with this but...)
9. during neji's kaiten (remember sasuke can perform katon jutsu from far ranges) sasuke does seals and powers up his chidori (with cursed seal affect)
10. LETS JUST say neji blocked all of the katon attack, right after neji stoppes spinning, sasuke charges with chidori.
BOOM fight over neji=owned.
11. and for no reason naruto will use rasnegan

Mistake 1: Line 3
There are 3 type of Ninja skills: Ninja Teachnique (like chidori), Illusion Technique, Close Combat
Very obvious, Niji is Close Combat type, and Sasuke is Ninja Teachnique type (as he use so many spell)
Mistake 2: Line 3
Sasuke can run faster than Neji? And he can run out of 64 hit attack range? Come on... Even Sasuke after chidori traning, Sasuke may run as fast as Rock Lee, but he will run out Stamina will run out in no time... (See Sasuke vs Garra). Besides, you are telling me Sasuke run backward faster than Neji run forward?
Mistake 3: Line 3
64 Hits take zero second to get ready... Besides Sasuke know Neji will use it at begining, and get ready to run from begining, there is no way Sasuke body could react so fast... (even with his Sharingan, he at most can dodge)
Mistake 4: Line 4 and 5
Why Neji is buzy going but Sasuke has time to release blood seal? non-sence
Mistake 5: Line 6 and 7
If Sasuke really use lion combo, which mean Sasuke and Neji are zero distant,. When Neji use kaiten, Sasuke eat direct damage (losee)
Mistake 6: Line 10
Remember the battle between Neji and Kidoumaru, Even Neji force to split Kaiten, Neji still can release his chakra to block his last thowing knife. (Chidori may hit this time) And, he also can simple "walk" away from the chidori attack after all fireball attack (otherwise, why he need to stop Kaiten?).
Can Kaiten block Chidori or not, let the author decided that...
Mistake 7: Overall
For any reason, if Sasuke really can run away from 64 hit attack range, or he is not in attack range from begining, why Neji need to charge him? In that case, see my another article before (the 24 hrs long battle)
My simulation is base on Sasuke and Neji fight fair at begining, face to face (like the exam). Sasuke will stand within 64 hit attack range, even with Blood Seal, and Neji could charge without broken in the middle



overall reply: i just decided to read your ridiculous comment to my scene and hopefully you'll have the sense to know that I WAS BEING FUCKING SARCASTIC!!! you gave neji advantage in your scene, i gave sasuke advantage in my scene. and for mistake

mistake 1 reply: like i said EVERYBODY can use taijutsu, you gotta be kidding me if your telling me that sasuke cant use taijutsu (fight against garra gai said "why would kakashi have him master lee's level of taijutsu?") and as mut said, kyubi naruto is a hell lot faster than neji. and sasuke fairy wing was on par if not faster than kyubi naruto.
mistake 2 reply: NEJI DOESNT JUST SHIT OUT THE 64/128 HAKKE OUTTA HIS ASS he has to assume position and gather his chakra like everybody has to when attacking, so in that time YES sasuke can run out of the hakke range. and if your saying that neji can run at sasuke with his hakke position i must say thats pretty funny, imagine running at a guy with your hands like that.
mistake 3 reply: duhh....yes sasuke can react fast as lee said sasuke combines the power of his sharingan and lee's speed so sasuke COULD get out of the way of the hakke, for the hakke to be a countinous attack it has to hit some where first, if sasuke dodges that first attack, screw the next 62 hits.
mistake 4 reply: your an idiot
mistake 5 reply: you DO remember that sasuke can use speed and appear from anywhere (under neji) to kick neji up right? neji's kaiten is a surrounding defense. doesnt cover under the surface. and unless you forgot the kaiten doesnt exactly kill you, naruto took like 20 of them and he still beat neji.
mistake 6 reply: umm...neji cant keep spinning forever you know. when gai described it chidori was an attack that could "pierce through anything" the only way to appear completely uninjured from the chidori would be to overpower it (like with a rasnegan or another chidori which neji has neither of), to attack sasuke before he could get the attack off or to dodge it. in kakashi gaiden we've seen kakashi use chidori continiously (1 chidori piercing 20 different targets) sasuke has the speed and eyes to dodge the counter.
mistake 7 reply: neji charge at sasuke because as you said neji is close range, he cant do shit from far so obviously to attack neji has to charge in.

YOUR SIMULATION IS NOT FAIR BULLSHIT!

oops i just realized this is 2 pages late...oh well deal with it vasco.

[vasco]

hate to quote long thing again... so i directly to write...

1> I did not say Sasuke cannot use close combat skill... but Neji forcus on close combat, and Sasuke forcus on ninja teachnique, so Neji will have upper hand on close combat (there is no way you can say i am wrong in this) Sasuke may obtain Lee's skill (somehow) but the draw back is short in stamina. By the way, Neji beat Lee everytime, not even lose once!
2> Yes, Neji may not attack without plan, but he can just random hit instead forcus on chakra point... which mean it doesn't matter if he hit head or hand or leg or body... can be totally random ^_^ (how nice), and by Neji, if any part of sasuke body got hit, he will got that part of internal damage... (dead meat)
3> Again, Neji don't need to forcus on Chakra point really... forcus on chakra point just make it better. so even miss first hit, sasuke still need to dodge all other 63 hits
4> If i am idiot, so do you, because you respond to me ^_^ by the way, it also mean everyone in here is idiot as well...(be careful what you say!)
5> you DO remember that sasuke can use speed and appear from anywhere (under neji) to kick neji up right? No, not at all, in which episode? or you mean naruto? by the way, Kaiten will protect from the ground as well, look when Neji use Kaiten, the ground got damage from Kaiten as well
6> Kaiten vs chidori again? let the author decided it... (by the way, in my simulation, Neji use kaiten to attack, not defence, so don't keep saying Chidori hit Kaiten)
7> well, i assume this fight is fair fight, like in exam, so sasuke WILL stand within 64 hits rang for sure... otherwise, it will be unfair fight.. right? If unfair fight, anything can be add then.

For your last sentance... "YOUR SIMULATION IS NOT FAIR BULLSHIT!"
1> which part is not fair
2> If you say my one is not fair + bullshit, then make one but fair and nice. I take time to think how to make the simulation as fair as possible, and i give Sasuke a lot of credit in my simulation as well. For example, he could dodge the 64 and 128 hits, no damage from Kaiten attack, and so...Sasuke lose in my simulation because Neji keep force-ing sasuke in concer and make him off graud. So, If you think you can make a FAIR + NICE NON-BULLSHIT simulation... and let people judge is it FAIR AND NICE

[vasco]

this message for darkmetal505

About Sasuke got 64 hits on chakra curcuit and use seal to release... (so we assume Neji hit sasuke already and Sasuke can unblock by Seal)
1> even Sasuke unleash the seal and release the block of chakra, Neji can block again... then Sasuke has no other chakra to unblock this time
2> You did not count 64 hits actual damage do to Sasuke
3> Recover blocked chakra take time.. (even Naruto take time), Do you think Neji will so stupid and wait for him to do that? (Yes, Neji was really so stupid and let Naruto to do that, I know)

[vasco]

This message for XanBcoo and AssertnFailure about Byakugan

This is just my opinion how Byakugan work
If Neji really need the eye to do the 360 view, then he should not able to see his back. Which mean he is not using the "eye" to see really... that may be some kind of sence, like 6th-sence to know where are the thing at. For example: A blind person never know what color is, and so do us, we never know how byakugan see (or sence) things surround it.

Why the emeny want dead body 's byakugan? may be they think they can find the secret of that by doing that... by the way, the don't know the outcoming anyway, they just try all the way they can.

Don't triple post. Just space your messages out in one post.

GotWoot Moderator

[chet_chetty]

If we're using Kidoumaru's Seal 2 as a gauge for how Neiji would do against Sasuke Seal 2, Kidoumaru Seal 2 took Neiji to the limit (brink of death). So if we were looking at Curse Seal Level 2 heirarchies here, it goes Jiroubu, Kidoumaru, Tayuya/Sakon, Sasuke, Kimimaro. Even though it was stated that Sasuke's seal was more powerful than Kimimaro's, I'd give it to Kimimaro because it was Sasuke's first time using Level 2 against Kyuubi Naruto and I couldnt think, on the first try, he realized Level 2's all-around potential even tho it seemed he maxed out its sheer power.

The 2nd to last in the hierarchy of Curse Seal Level 2 users took Neiji to the brink of death. Then in that sense, the top/near top of that hierarchy should/would decimate Neiji.

In terms of speed, I would argue the speed in the lvl 2 sasuke/kyuubi naruto fight was hokage level speeds (if there's a such thing..maybe we should just call it "too damn fast". There's no way Neiji would process what's coming at him even tho he can see it from practically all directions. If it was Rock Lee speeds or Sasuke (at time of Gaara fight) speed, he could handle it..but level 2 speeds? i really really doubt it.

And dont forget, Sasuke would first fight in his normal state, then go to level 1, then go to level 2. Neiji would be way too taxed to put up even a decent fight by the time Sasuke powers up to level 2.

[XanBcoo]

I'm withdrawing from the argument for a while after this post. I've got a shitload of homework to do.

A few points of note before I go though:

1. Yes, the Kaiten protects from all sides and all angles. If Sasuke were to enter the range of the Kaiten, and Neji realized it, he would blow Sasuke away (not defeat him, however), provided he could pull of the spin before Sasuke attacked him.

2. It doesn't matter if the Kaiten is used defensively or offensively. Neji is standing in one spot when he uses it, so it doesn't matter HOW he uses it, just that he uses it. In either situation, Sasuke would be able to evade it (if used to attack) or break through it (if used to defend).

3. I just remembered that in the Kidoumaru fight, Neji didn't just defeat him with one blow. He pumped him full of chakra through the spider web - severely injuring him, and then gave him an ass-blasting final hit in order to kill him. Not that it matters though. Even one or two hits could still damage Sasuke pretty badly. IF they hit (which they wouldn't).

4. Sasuke could recover from the Hakke (64 hits) and would not be stupid enough to get hit again imo.

Level 2 curse seal Sasuke = teh winnar.

Edit: Vasco, stop double and triple posting. Use the "Edit" button if you want to add more.

Chet_chetty has the right idea. Sasuke would win.

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: vasco
this message for darkmetal505

About Sasuke got 64 hits on chakra curcuit and use seal to release... (so we assume Neji hit sasuke already and Sasuke can unblock by Seal)
1> even Sasuke unleash the seal and release the block of chakra, Neji can block again... then Sasuke has no other chakra to unblock this time
2> You did not count 64 hits actual damage do to Sasuke
3> Recover blocked chakra take time.. (even Naruto take time), Do you think Neji will so stupid and wait for him to do that? (Yes, Neji was really so stupid and let Naruto to do that, I know)



once Sasuke releases curse seal 2, Neji wont have time to "hit" sasuke again. This is also saying that Neji manages to strike him. If Naruto can survive the 64 hit "actual damage", Sasuke can can survive it while taking a dump. Unfortunatley for you, in Naruto world (matter of fact, in most animes), opponents always "allow" each other to "power up".

Sasuke rules.

[Jadugar]

Latest Vote:



Originally posted by: darkmetal505
My vote: Sasuke


UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 14
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NEJI : 11
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@ Strider : Your move!

[XanBcoo]

Why is Mut's name highlighted? i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif
...back to work...

[Naruto_RNG]

where is Terra? that's what i want to know. he usuallly bitch slap all ya with his post.

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Why is Mut's name highlighted?
...back to work...
Because the stuff I say actually makes sense.

[vasco]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Edit: Vasco, stop double and triple posting. Use the "Edit" button if you want to add more.
I am not double posting, each message for different person / reply, if i post all in once, it will make it too long and too hard to read (it is hard to read my post already, right?)

Responds post later

[Dezalanel]

.....wow this thread went to hell since I last posted here. How bout this, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO WOULD WIN!! Honestly it is a very close match and if you are a fanboy of one or the other you will never agree on who is going to win. Lets all just end this thread cause I am sick of other Neji fans destroying my agruement = [.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Dezalanel
.....wow this thread went to hell since I last posted here

This is one of the fastest growing thread.



Originally posted by: Dezalanel
Lets all just end this thread cause I am sick of other Neji fans destroying my agruement = [.

You are too weak just like Neji.

[Phoenix20578]

Originally posted by: vasco


Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Edit: Vasco, stop double and triple posting. Use the "Edit" button if you want to add more.
I am not double posting, each message for different person / reply, if i post all in once, it will make it too long and too hard to read (it is hard to read my post already, right?)

Responds post later

No, your still double posting. Use edit, no one cares if its long.

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: vasco
hate to quote long thing again... so i directly to write...

1> I did not say Sasuke cannot use close combat skill... but Neji forcus on close combat, and Sasuke forcus on ninja teachnique, so Neji will have upper hand on close combat (there is no way you can say i am wrong in this) Sasuke may obtain Lee's skill (somehow) but the draw back is short in stamina. By the way, Neji beat Lee everytime, not even lose once!
2> Yes, Neji may not attack without plan, but he can just random hit instead forcus on chakra point... which mean it doesn't matter if he hit head or hand or leg or body... can be totally random ^_^ (how nice), and by Neji, if any part of sasuke body got hit, he will got that part of internal damage... (dead meat)
3> Again, Neji don't need to forcus on Chakra point really... forcus on chakra point just make it better. so even miss first hit, sasuke still need to dodge all other 63 hits
4> If i am idiot, so do you, because you respond to me ^_^ by the way, it also mean everyone in here is idiot as well...(be careful what you say!)
5> you DO remember that sasuke can use speed and appear from anywhere (under neji) to kick neji up right? No, not at all, in which episode? or you mean naruto? by the way, Kaiten will protect from the ground as well, look when Neji use Kaiten, the ground got damage from Kaiten as well
6> Kaiten vs chidori again? let the author decided it... (by the way, in my simulation, Neji use kaiten to attack, not defence, so don't keep saying Chidori hit Kaiten)
7> well, i assume this fight is fair fight, like in exam, so sasuke WILL stand within 64 hits rang for sure... otherwise, it will be unfair fight.. right? If unfair fight, anything can be add then.

For your last sentance... "YOUR SIMULATION IS NOT FAIR BULLSHIT!"
1> which part is not fair
2> If you say my one is not fair + bullshit, then make one but fair and nice. I take time to think how to make the simulation as fair as possible, and i give Sasuke a lot of credit in my simulation as well. For example, he could dodge the 64 and 128 hits, no damage from Kaiten attack, and so...Sasuke lose in my simulation because Neji keep force-ing sasuke in concer and make him off graud. So, If you think you can make a FAIR + NICE NON-BULLSHIT simulation... and let people judge is it FAIR AND NICE


1. we saw lee fight neji when lee was still in his crappy stage (no offense to rock lee, he's awsome) but that was before he could move so fast, you saw even neji surprised.

2. everytime neji fights he aims towards the chakra points, its not random you idiot, if it was it would just be me slapping you across the face, if he could randomly hit, why doesnt he? instead of using 2 fingers he could pretty much just slap people and they'd lose chakra from what your saying

3. neji's attack is continuous , but for something to be continuous there has to be a chain reaction so if neji misses his first hits, he wont continue because if sasuke can dodge the first 2 hits, he can dodge the next 62 as well.

4. i proved you were an idiot

5. the ground got damaged but thats from him spinning around, if you spin with enough friction you will make a hole in the ground, thats right but it wasnt his chakra that made the ground dig in, it was the speed he was spinning in. and still, kaiten has a certain radius and it doesnt stay attached to neji, there is space between him and the sheild around him so if sasuke could slip right next to him, how would the kaiten deflect?

6. since when can you use kaiten to attack? kaiten is easily dodged (yes neji's diameter of kaiten is rather small) so if sasuke was out of range of hakke he would be out of range of kaiten.

7. why does sasuke have to stand within 64 hit range? how is that fair? and i'm pretty sure if neji tried using 64 hakke against lee (no weights) lee would be able to dodge too so sasuke can get out of 64 hakken anyway. when the fight starts, neji isnt in hakke position, and sasuke doesnt have a chidori powered up they're both just standing. so in the time neji takes to gather chakra at his finger tips and form his hakke position sasuke could easily be out of hakke range.

1. hmm, i dunno maybe the part about how sasuke starts within 64 hakke range...the part where neji is faster than sasuke...and the part where sasuke is standing there helplessly.
2. i cant make one fair, nobody can make a fair fight, nothing in life is a "fair fight" if it was a fair fight then there'd be no winner. even if kishimoto made a neji vs sasuke scene, he'd already have a winner in mind, anime isnt real so they wouldnt pop out and fight in front of kishimoto so he can draw each aspect, he already knows the outcome and he builds up towards that outcome.

[Jurojin]

Originally posted by: heero
but Neji got that 64 hit thing and Ive never seen anyone dodge it once they got in his range...If that hit lands, sasuke cant use any chakra meaning he will definatly lose...Also, Neji is a close combat specialist so Sasuke charging into him with Chidori might not be a big deal. All he has to do is grab his arm to stop the attack. Itachi did that ezly so....


I don't know if this is accurate- Naruto (damned demon fox!) got hit by it and he was able to regen a bit-

what I'm not sure of is whether CS2 would allow him to do the same or not.


But Chidori vs. Neji's taijitsu skills? bah, no contest.



Neji 4tw

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: Jurojin


what I'm not sure of is whether CS2 would allow him to do the same or not.



Neji 4tw

it will. watch when sasuke fought naruto.

[Strider]

I actually work for a few days, and miss out on a good three pages.

Shit.

The quoted lines are in no particular order, as I had to move some portions of this post around to accomodate my statements. So don't be surprised if a quote of yours is somehow mixed in cohorts with a later one of yours, or vice-versa. I had a lot to cover, so bear with me and cut a beaner some slack.

With that disclaimer out of the way, let's get the show on the road. It's been a long time ..

@ Jadugar: Jared never voted. Scoreboard's been updated, and reflects that accordingly. Hit me up if there's a mistake.



Originally posted by: vasco
(Insert here a million posts I've missed out on, and won't dare quote due to fatigue from reading or carelessness.)

Most of your statements sound well and dandy for fan-fiction, which I wouldn't mind perusing or even in-depthly reading, given the writing talent.

However, against these guys your statements don't hold much weight. You need supporting evidence - not mock battles, which is tainted by your own biased opinion.

Certain things like you're not considering the Curse Seal at Level 2, or it doesn't matter, doesn't help support your argument, since that's the main thing Sasuke's got going for him. And, that Neji would kill him if this or that. No if's. Hit these people with the facts as to why Neji's better.

I'm loving your enthusiasm, though. Seriously.



Originally posted by: darkmetal505
As for my vote: Rock Lee all the way!

He's not a contender in this bout, but I'd vote for him too, otherwise.



Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Neji must go into his stance and then launch the attack.

As slow as we have seen this done, I honestly believe the majority of that is fluff.

He held a brief conversation with Kidoumaru while in the stance. In all that time, Kidoumaru was helpless to defend himself. Allegedly, and in the manner it was shown. I find all of that a bit hard to swallow.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
There's always a big chance that if Sasuke is somehow hit by Neji's hakke attack, he can always recover and fight back just like Naruto did. Neji relying on his main attack to disable someone who has so much chakra is too iffy for me to say that it's reliable and enough to beat Sasuke.



Originally posted by: heero
Thats not exactly true. In the fight between Neji and Kidomaru, Kidomaru said it himself that he was scared he might be hit from Neji's attack because it can stop his chakra flow. Also, I remember Sasuke saying that the seal just releases his chakra to his full potential. Never said it gives him another chakra flow. Otherwise it wouldnt hurt him at all to use it.

Our million dollar winner.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
From what we've seen so far, Sasuke at level 2 has WAY more chakra than most characters and even more than Naruto (referring to him outlasting Naruto in their last fight).

Sasuke did not outlast Naruto because he had more chakra. He outlasted our number one surprise ninja because Sasuke actually hit Naruto with his signature power move. With all the pain Sasuke was already in from simply transgressing to that state of the Level 2 Curse Seal, I doubt there'd be much of him had Rasengan connected against flesh.

In addition, Sasuke was complaining about not being able to remain in that second seal form almost as soon as he entered it. At that point, Naruto had already been all Kyuubi'd out, and showing Sasuke how strong the pimp hand was.

So, I am not totally understanding your equation as to how Sasuke outlasted Naruto.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Neji's kaiten isn't even an ultimate defense anymore. We now know that he doesn't spin fast enough to stop stupid spiders from penetrating and clogging his shit up. That just means one thing. Sasuke's 3 comma'd sharingan can counter Neji's kaiten and its fast spin velocity. Then I'm gonna say that Sasuke can dodge every one of Neji's hakke attacks using his sharingan.

The spiders did not penetrate. They were launched back and away as is everything else once coming into contact with Kaiten. The spiders were emitting sticky web substances which also had chakra on them and leeched onto it. I don't remember when Sasuke ever became capable of doing something like this.

Also, 64 Palms of Hakke and Kaiten are bloodline abilities. Last I checked, Sharingan cannot aid much against these. Otherwise, Sasuke would have known which mirror Haku was truly in from the beginning.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Clearly, the main reason why he wasn't able to spin was because of the sticky spider web, but my point was that since some spiders were able to penetrate the defense and stick webs on him, there's no reason why Sasuke can't do the same considering he uses the sharingan.

Didn't notice this post, as I was quoting while going over the numerous pages I've missed.

The spiders did not penetrate. The webs were leeching onto the projected chakra, basically sapping it. There was no longer a dome of chakra due to Neji slowing down, and portions of that chakra being removed by the web, which created the openings for the spiders to make direct contact and temporarily immobilize Neji.

Either way, Sharingan isn't cutting it in this area.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
But then it all comes down to how fast can Neji react and how good Sasuke's sharingan is. Let me go back to my previous point about Neji not being fast than kyuubi'd Naruto: he isn't faster, and that just means that Sasuke, using his sharingan, can rape his face.

I agree with Neji not being faster than Kyuubi Naruto. At least, not in his "One-tail" mode, during the final bout with Sasuke.

However, in the eyes of Sharingan .. Neji might as well be faster than Naruto. Naruto's movements, that were captured in your "Enter the Matrix" Focus vision, were influenced by chakra. You're so caught up in the manga (rightfully so), you should recall that Sasuke even states this. So, referring back to previous statements, due to the motions of Kyuubi Naruto being fueled by the demon's chakra, the Sharingan was able to quickly see that, break it down, and apply a viable counter-resolution for it. Neji speed is based on his own power. His own muscular fortitude. This, like Lee's speed, is based on stamina - which is not so easily broken down by the Sharingan. As explained after Sasuke caught an open-toed sandal to his jaw by Lee. And, surely that was eons ago and Sasuke has progressed a while since then, but the principle still remains. If the speed is too great, the Sharingan proves useless.

Sasuke's speed is a fraction of unweighted Lee's, and cannot be maintained for the duration Lee can. Lee's speed was nothing to Neji, during the greatest bout in the series [Lee v. Gaara], until the gates were unleashed, and that speed there .. well, we do not even need to go into that. Sasuke isn't there.

My point is that Sasuke isn't faster than Neji, or Lee. Neji's seen Lee's speed. He's battled it, and overwhelmed it. Lee's speed was nothing to Neji, which is why the only salvation for Lee would be to take it many levels above with Ura Renge.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
That's the thing, Sasuke is tremendously more powerful than Kidoumaru.

This is opinion, over fact.

Kidoumaru is much more suited for combat against Neji. So, while Sasuke may be so much more powerful, his fighting style isn't adapted to overcome Neji.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Neji would win every fight against a dumbass like Lee because without opening gates, Lee is a practice dummy against a natural genius like Neji. And Gai has always forbid Lee from opening the gates. We know this since Neji was surprised during Lee's fight against Gaara.

Neji was surprised by Ura Renge, nothing prior, especially his speed. Neji and TenTen were there, as Gai attempted to teach all three of them Omote Renge. Neji knows what was necessary for it. No surprises there. And, with his arrogance, you don't think Neji did what he could to still best Lee's technique?

How can you justify the initial gate as enough to defeat Neji, when Gai taught Lee to open more? Gai knew opening more and moving that much more faster was the only way around Neji's Byakugan and speed.

And, Gai forbidding Lee in opening gates is nothing since we saw Lee break that promise twice. In his attempts to beat Neji, there's no doubt he's done it before. And, still lost.



Originally posted by: XanBcoo
3. Even one or two hits could still damage Sasuke pretty badly. IF they hit (which they wouldn't).

4. Sasuke could recover from the Hakke (64 hits) and would not be stupid enough to get hit again imo.

3. So, you believe Sasuke would win flawlessly and not get touched a single time?

4. Still don't agree with this recovery argument you three are going on, for the reasons the few Neji fans have debated. Two chakra reserves is not a luxury Sasuke shares with Naruto.



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
You're pretty much the only one factoring in the post time-jump. Which is kinda dumb since there's no data on sasuke post time-jump yet. You cant formulate a hypothesis with incomplete variables, moron.

Nine hours later, I posted my reasoning for mentioning a technique post time-jump Neji utilized, which was due to other forum members bringing up their speculated ideas that Sasuke would "assuredly" be able to shoot more than two Chidori.

"Next time read the whole discussion before posting."



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Level 2 Sasuke >> Level 2 Kidoumaru...

What chapter was this said in? Must've missed that one.

The same way I missed said imaginary chapter, you missed the point.

Which was that an opponent who can maintain an increasingly overwhelming level of power, is a much more dangerous adversary than one who becomes riddled with pain moments after its activation.

"You cant formulate a hypothesis with incomplete variables, moron."



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Good argument. Oh wait...before there was Sasuke, Neji was revered as the number #1 rookie by everyone. Even when you bring up points that don't support neji, you still manage to be wrong.

Revered as the No. #1 Rookie, right. Never hounded by the village idiots, females and other various characters. Two completely different things.

Are you even reading the posts?



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
So basically anyone who gets too close to neji will automatically have their tenketsu hit and lose?

Yes, basically. If Neji makes physical contact with you, your tenketsu are being closed. That's just the end of that.

Was Hinata's arm not an obvious indication of this?

There were no fancy stances. No "finesse to immobilize his opponent." He never launched on the offensive and was simply performing defensive, parrying tactics. And, her arm was rendered useless for projecting chakra, a la Jyuuken.



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Is that why lee had a secret taijutsu move that was supposed to be the trick to beating neji, despite the fact that it means him getting right in neji's face?

64 Hands of Hakke + Lee = No Chakra. Chakra -> Taijutsu = Not necessary. Taijutsu + Stamina = Good Taijutsu.

Lee's secret Taijutsu technique was not to get around getting hit by Neji's Jyuuken, it was simply to get around Neji's complete vision and speed. Gai states the user is moving too fast to be seen. There was no concern for being hit, although that is generally understood. You cannot hit, what you cannot see.

"Even when you bring up points that don't support Sasuke, you still manage to be wrong."

Fucking genius, you are.



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
And as I said before, neji's byakugan would leave him vulnerable to the hypnotic effects of the 3 pupil sharingan.

I forgot that all those hypnotic Genjutsu become auto-abilities, self-taught and learned the moment you acquire the complete, three-comma Sharingan.

What was I thinking, right?



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
but both sources of chakra still flow through the same circulatory system...the kyubi's had to have been so strong that it unblocked all the holes.

In this sense, all that it takes is just an immense amount of chakra. And that was when naruto had less access to kyubi chakra than he did fighting sasuke, and yet his chakra was about equal to level 2 sasuke's. I'm inclined to suspect that level 2 sasuke's chakra might be able to unblock tenketsu just the same...possibly

The Kyuubi's chakra is simply too much to be contained, in any shape or form. In no way does a seal Orochimaru provides compare to a Bijyuu's power. Just, no.

Also, I don't see how you view it as Naruto getting access to the Fox's chakra. It's always been pending how much the Nine-tails is willing to give or put out. Kyuubi's like a bad date. It allowed Naruto first base when summoning, and another while fighting Neji, and the Kyuubi then took him home when he took the form of "one-tail."



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Idiots who pat themselves on the back before recieving the counter-argument: 1
[Strider]

Game. Set. Match.

The entire thread was a counter-argument, including my post which should have been obvious. Apparently, not to everyone, 'eh Assertn?

And, the final portion of that was actually a joke to Jagudar, as he posted "Match." in another one of our debates before I could respond.

However, there was no point in explaining that, as we all know you have no humor.

Go ask Mut' for some help at this shit though, because you're garbage.

ABORT. RETY. IGNORED.


Look. In all honesty, this topic is solely going to be based on conversation revolving around the Curse Seal, because without it, this would not even be a valid discussion, as Sasuke would be annihilated. Even with the Curse Seal, again .. I still stand by a previous statement that while Sasuke in that enheightened form of ugliness and power, his advantage over Neji would be immense, but Neji would still land a death blow and end it in a draw.

How many times in an anime series have you seen someone take the critical hit, solely for the purpose of landing their final blow in on the enemy? That's all Neji needs. And, Chidori, Sasuke's ace-in-the-hole, is a thrusting technique. It's not like Neji hasn't been crucified to a tree trunk with a spiral arrow through his gut or pierced right above his heart. And while Sasuke, arrogantly proud of his "power," stands there with his hand protruding through the back of Neji's spine, a final assault would be made to some critical area on Sasuke, enlightening him of what Jyuuken is.

.. Then we could all complain about Neji being revived by his long wisps of hair, once again.

UPDATE:

S A S U K E : 13
[Assertn; Barles; SFreedomZGMFx20a; chet_chetty; Mut@chi; Nests; XanBcoo; coud656; Phoenix20578; Shuurai; 6Zabuza9; Chaoskiddo; darkmetal505]

N E J I : 12
[DrCitan; Heero; Terra; Dark Maginn; Mite Gai; Turkish-S; Naruto_RNG; Dezalanel; Vasco; Heretic-Azazel; Shinda; Jurojin]

I think I'm finally done, now.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Strider
Nine hours later, I posted my reasoning for mentioning a technique post time-jump Neji utilized, which was due to other forum members bringing up their speculated ideas that Sasuke would "assuredly" be able to shoot more than two Chidori.

"Next time read the whole discussion before posting."
oh my bad. apparently its ok to formulate hypothesis with incomplete variables if other morons are doing it as well.






Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Level 2 Sasuke >> Level 2 Kidoumaru...

What chapter was this said in? Must've missed that one.

The same way I missed said imaginary chapter, you missed the point.

Which was that an opponent who can maintain an increasingly overwhelming level of power, is a much more dangerous adversary than one who becomes riddled with pain moments after its activation.

"You cant formulate a hypothesis with incomplete variables, moron."
I see you tailored this one to throw that quote back at me...but too bad the imaginary chapter you failed to read was actually multiple clues spread throughout the entire arc. Lets see....

1) Sasuke become designated the leader of the sound 4, as Kimimaro's replacement
2) Kabuto, who is full aware of both Sasuke and Kimimaro's abilities, wonders which of the 2 of them are stronger.
Now i HOPE you don't need me to bring up the imaginary discussions that established that kimimaro was stronger than the sound 4, right?

How about the surprise that Kabuto and Oro discovered when they sensed Sasuke's chakra in oro's mansion? I bet Oro was pretty excited when he felt a chakra flow about equal to that of Kidoumaru, huh?





Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
So basically anyone who gets too close to neji will automatically have their tenketsu hit and lose?

Yes, basically. If Neji makes physical contact with you, your tenketsu are being closed. That's just the end of that.

Was Hinata's arm not an obvious indication of this?

There were no fancy stances. No "finesse to immobilize his opponent." He never launched on the offensive and was simply performing defensive, parrying tactics. And, her arm was rendered useless for projecting chakra, a la Jyuuken.
Neji has no speed, and neither does Hinata. Neji won't be able to move his hand fast enough, and even if it does get close, sasuke can just bust a wing out the same way he blocked naruto. I don't think the 64 hands of hakke will do much in that situation.

And since i know you're going to want proof. Tell me this, how come Neji didn't attempt to block Naruto's tenketsu again after he went kyubi? Neji lost (or arguably tied) to a level 1 kyubi yet you expect him to win against a level 2 seal sasuke?





Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Is that why lee had a secret taijutsu move that was supposed to be the trick to beating neji, despite the fact that it means him getting right in neji's face?

64 Hands of Hakke + Lee = No Chakra. Chakra -> Taijutsu = Not necessary. Taijutsu + Stamina = Good Taijutsu.

Lee's secret Taijutsu technique was not to get around getting hit by Neji's Jyuuken, it was simply to get around Neji's complete vision and speed. Gai states the user is moving too fast to be seen. There was no concern for being hit, although that is generally understood. You cannot hit, what you cannot see.

"Even when you bring up points that don't support Sasuke, you still manage to be wrong."

Fucking genius, you are.
Damn dood...you just made yourself look bad with that last line. Because here's my million dollar rebuttal: If Taijutsu doesn't need chakra, then how does OPENING THE 8 CHAKRA GATES improve lee's taijutsu? Jutsus aside...chakra is still a part of everyday life. Neji was surprised that Naruto was even able to STAND UP after the 64 hands of hakke, let alone fight back.





Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
And as I said before, neji's byakugan would leave him vulnerable to the hypnotic effects of the 3 pupil sharingan.

I forgot that all those hypnotic Genjutsu become auto-abilities, self-taught and learned the moment you acquire the complete, three-comma Sharingan.

What was I thinking, right?
Who knows? It's just as legitimate as kakashi knowing how to perform hypnosis with the sharingan despite there not being any other uchihas to teach him. Same goes for his mangekyou. And i thought we weren't talking about neji vs sasuke at THE exact moment that sasuke reached seal 2 and 3 pupil sharingan, were we?





Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
but both sources of chakra still flow through the same circulatory system...the kyubi's had to have been so strong that it unblocked all the holes.

In this sense, all that it takes is just an immense amount of chakra. And that was when naruto had less access to kyubi chakra than he did fighting sasuke, and yet his chakra was about equal to level 2 sasuke's. I'm inclined to suspect that level 2 sasuke's chakra might be able to unblock tenketsu just the same...possibly

The Kyuubi's chakra is simply too much to be contained, in any shape or form. In no way does a seal Orochimaru provides compare to a Bijyuu's power. Just, no.

Also, I don't see how you view it as Naruto getting access to the Fox's chakra. It's always been pending how much the Nine-tails is willing to give or put out. Kyuubi's like a bad date. It allowed Naruto first base when summoning, and another while fighting Neji, and the Kyuubi then took him home when he took the form of "one-tail."

It's been established that the amount of kyubi's chakra that naruto had access to in the normal state simply wasn't enough to fight sasuke. This is the SAME amount of chakra that broke the tenketsu, mind you. The levels of chakra from both sides of the sasuke/naruto fight were immeasurably higher than the levels of chakra exhibited in the tournament. Therefore comparisons between chakra buffers from the recent fight to situations from the tournament is almost not even worth factoring.



However, there was no point in explaining that, as we all know you have no humor.
Actually, i find alot of humor in replying to posts directed towards me in this forum i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif



Go ask Mut' for some help at this shit though, because you're garbage.

ABORT. RETY. IGNORED.
Don't really understand the reasoning behind this. Are you mad or something?
you didnt even take the time to make sure your quote tags are set properlyi/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif

[Strider]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Neji lost (or arguably tied) to a level 1 kyubi yet you expect him to win against a level 2 seal sasuke?

Actually, I don't. Never said this.

The one thing I stood by, and still do, is that Neji would get the necessary hit or hits to finish Sasuke in Level 2, prior to also dropping.



Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Don't really understand the reasoning behind this. Are you mad or something?
you didnt even take the time to make sure your quote tags are set properly

Er. It's never as potent if it has to be explained. i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif

I wasn't angry. It was a means of dismissing you, using your own tag to do so. i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif

And, what quote tags? Time wasn't on my side. Still isn't.

I'll post the remainder of my retorts and quips yonder morrow.

[Edort4]

Sasuke would win, not a sasuke fanboy but thats the truth and with cs lvl2 even more. Just when he get the 3 comma sharingan meant that neji is fucked up. My only doubt is if chidori can break trough kaiten like it did against the sand of gaara. The only way for neji to win is to keep kaiten all the time and hope taht sasuke goes against it to get hurt stupidly and lose.

Sasuke is overpowered just like naruto. They are the stars of the show afterall.

[Jadugar]

Latest votes:
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UPDATED SCORE

SASUKE : 14
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NEJI : 12
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NOTE : Jaredster's vote has been discarded.

[darkmetal505]

Also, 64 Palms of Hakke and Kaiten are bloodline abilities. Last I checked, Sharingan cannot aid much against these. Otherwise, Sasuke would have known which mirror Haku was truly in from the beginning.

no actually only byakugan is bloodline. The kaiten, hakke, and jyukken are specifically designed and more effective with byakugan/Hyugga clan.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Strider
Sasuke did not outlast Naruto because he had more chakra. He outlasted our number one surprise ninja because Sasuke actually hit Naruto with his signature power move.

That is exactly going to happen to Neji. He will be hit by Sasuke's signaure move, Chidori. Put that in your head.



Originally posted by: Strider
In addition, Sasuke was complaining about not being able to remain in that second seal form almost as soon as he entered it. At that point, Naruto had already been all Kyuubi'd out, and showing Sasuke how strong the pimp hand was.

So, I am not totally understanding your equation as to how Sasuke outlasted Naruto.

Let me get this straight. Naruto stayed longer in Kayubed state and Sasuke just enterd his lv2 and quickly finised Naruto.
Seems to me Sasuke knows how to use his lv2 seal well and did outlasted the battle.



Originally posted by: Strider
Otherwise, Sasuke would have known which mirror Haku was truly in from the beginning

Sasuke couldnt tell which mirror Haku was in b/c they only reflected him, his bloodline ability, but when he came out to attck, Sasuke slowly managed to discover his movement from one mirror to another.



Originally posted by: Strider
Kidoumaru is much more suited for combat against Neji. So, while Sasuke may be so much more powerful, his fighting style isn't adapted to overcome Neji.

Adapt he will. I dont think anyone can deny that Sasuke was rookie no. 1 and is intelligent. Long range or short range battle, Sasuke can fight both. He is more powerful (you said it yourself), more equipped and can adapt to the long/short rane battle modes.

[Ban Kai]

My vote goes to Sasuke.

First post =P.

Anyways Sasuke level 2 seal will overpower Neji in the end.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Ban Kai
My vote goes to Sasuke.

Anyways Sasuke level 2 seal will overpower Neji in the end

Good choice.




Originally posted by: Ban Kai
First post =P
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[The Heretic Azazel]

Why do people keep saying Sasuke is a long-range fighter?

He's not.

He's not he's not he's not he's not he's not.

[Y]

If both of them fight to kill the other, Neji wins, assuming he doesn't just stand back and touch himself while Sasuke slowly changes into Curse Seal 2 form. If Sasuke immediately busts out the Chidori, Neji can probably deflect it enough so that it doesn't strike him fatally - as he did with Kidoumaru's arrow - or maybe even shoot him in the face with his ranged chakra attack as he charges forward.

If Neji hits Sasuke even once with the intent to kill him, he will die. Neji fucking blows up your internal organs. You don't mess around with that shit.

EDIT:

Here's my breakdown:

Sasuke attacks with ninjutsu, but none of his powers are strong enough to break the Kaiten. Neji gets close and blows him to pieces.

Sasuke uses the Curse Seal. Neji calmly walks over while he is transforming and kills him. Curse Seal is retarded in a 'realistic' battle.

Sasuke uses Chidori. Neji blocks or deflects it with Kaiten and then touches him in the side as he recovers, blowing up his heart.

Sasuke uses the Sharingan and goes in close. This would honestly be his best plan, but Neji can force him into medium range pretty easily by just doing Kaiten, then shoot him with the chakra projectile attack (he can't predict that move).

I don't see Neji winning in a total blowout, and if Sasuke gets in close and starts beating on him he could go down pretty fast. I give the vote to Neji because Sasuke has too many weak or unpractical powers for this situation.

Now of course if it's within the context of another battle in the show, Neji loses because Sasuke is a more important main character then Neji is.

[Jadugar]

Your breakdown is kinda lame.

First assumptiom :
Sasuke would let Neji come in close contact.

Second assumption :
Sasuke leaves himself to an open attack while going lv2.

Third assumption :
Chidori is deflected by Kaiten.

Mother of all ridiculous Assumptions :


Originally posted by: Y
Neji can force him into medium range pretty easily by just doing Kaiten


You wanna hear my assumption, here it is . Sasuke will win.

[drcitan]

Damn this discussion is still going on!!! When will it end? This shit doesn't matter anymore cuz in the end Bill Cosbys gonna own everyone with his signature Jelly Pudding face wit the wide eyes.

[Jadugar]

I thought you were dead. Welcome back. This thread has been heating up. Already 205 replies. 34 threads in this this "Naruto Open Discussion" and this one tops them all.

You are right about Bill Cosby.i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[drcitan]

Come on now you know doctors don't die they heal people and take there money i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif And of course I'm right about Bill Cosby you can't help but to look at him no matter what he crazy

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Originally posted by: Strider


Originally posted by: heero
Thats not exactly true. In the fight between Neji and Kidomaru, Kidomaru said it himself that he was scared he might be hit from Neji's attack because it can stop his chakra flow. Also, I remember Sasuke saying that the seal just releases his chakra to his full potential. Never said it gives him another chakra flow. Otherwise it wouldnt hurt him at all to use it.

Our million dollar winner.
Did you even read anything that has been posted here? I never said anything about giving him another chakra flow. I said that the curse seal will provide him with such large amount of chakra that it will just unblock all the tenketsu points just like how Naruto did. Do you understand it now?



Sasuke did not outlast Naruto because he had more chakra. He outlasted our number one surprise ninja because Sasuke actually hit Naruto with his signature power move. With all the pain Sasuke was already in from simply transgressing to that state of the Level 2 Curse Seal, I doubt there'd be much of him had Rasengan connected against flesh.

In addition, Sasuke was complaining about not being able to remain in that second seal form almost as soon as he entered it. At that point, Naruto had already been all Kyuubi'd out, and showing Sasuke how strong the pimp hand was.

So, I am not totally understanding your equation as to how Sasuke outlasted Naruto.
Sasuke did outlast Naruto because he had more chakra. The way the kyuubi rasengan vs curse seal chidori was set up was to show that which move was stronger. And how was this set up? They intensified the level of power of each move by throwing in the curse seal and kyuubi chakra to boost them up. Get it? You need to stop limiting Sasuke's abilities by referring only to the pre-time skip Sasuke. And who cares about Sasuke being in pain from transforming to level 2? That should be completely irrelevant to this topic. There's nothing difficult to understand in what I've said.



Also, 64 Palms of Hakke and Kaiten are bloodline abilities. Last I checked, Sharingan cannot aid much against these. Otherwise, Sasuke would have known which mirror Haku was truly in from the beginning.
Sharingan does aid A LOT in again'st Neji's hakke because Neji's hakke is no more than a simple close quarter combat technique that require no seals or extra abilities to perform. The only reason why it's effective for a Hyuuga to use hakke is because their ability to see the tenketsu points. There should be no reason why a random ninja wouldn't be able to perform the hakke. Granted, the results won't be the same but hakke is just a simple technique. Since hakke is just a regular punch-punch move, Sasuke can see every movement with his sharingan just like he could do with Naruto's taijutsu attacks. And again, stop limiting Sasuke's abilities to the pre-time skip Sasuke.



Didn't notice this post, as I was quoting while going over the numerous pages I've missed.

The spiders did not penetrate. The webs were leeching onto the projected chakra, basically sapping it. There was no longer a dome of chakra due to Neji slowing down, and portions of that chakra being removed by the web, which created the openings for the spiders to make direct contact and temporarily immobilize Neji.

Either way, Sharingan isn't cutting it in this area.
Listen, nearly ALL of Neji's moves are just no more than taijutsu moves that have a different result. Everyone else can spin in circles like Neji can, but can they deflect things like Neji? No, The only difference between a regular ninja who is performing "kaiten" and Neji is the fact that Neji can emit large amounts of chakra from every part of his body. In the end, Neji's kaiten is ultimately just a spin move. Sasuke can see him spinning in slow motion. That just means bad news for Neji.



I agree with Neji not being faster than Kyuubi Naruto. At least, not in his "One-tail" mode, during the final bout with Sasuke.

However, in the eyes of Sharingan .. Neji might as well be faster than Naruto. Naruto's movements, that were captured in your "Enter the Matrix" Focus vision, were influenced by chakra. You're so caught up in the manga (rightfully so), you should recall that Sasuke even states this. So, referring back to previous statements, due to the motions of Kyuubi Naruto being fueled by the demon's chakra, the Sharingan was able to quickly see that, break it down, and apply a viable counter-resolution for it. Neji speed is based on his own power. His own muscular fortitude. This, like Lee's speed, is based on stamina - which is not so easily broken down by the Sharingan. As explained after Sasuke caught an open-toed sandal to his jaw by Lee. And, surely that was eons ago and Sasuke has progressed a while since then, but the principle still remains. If the speed is too great, the Sharingan proves useless.
You jus made that whole thing up. Great.



Sasuke's speed is a fraction of unweighted Lee's, and cannot be maintained for the duration Lee can. Lee's speed was nothing to Neji, during the greatest bout in the series [Lee v. Gaara], until the gates were unleashed, and that speed there .. well, we do not even need to go into that. Sasuke isn't there.

My point is that Sasuke isn't faster than Neji, or Lee. Neji's seen Lee's speed. He's battled it, and overwhelmed it. Lee's speed was nothing to Neji, which is why the only salvation for Lee would be to take it many levels above with Ura Renge.
Sasuke's inifinitely better than Lee. Lee already admitted it.



This is opinion, over fact.

Kidoumaru is much more suited for combat against Neji. So, while Sasuke may be so much more powerful, his fighting style isn't adapted to overcome Neji.
That's just opinion over fact also. Sasuke should rape Neji considering Neji is just a taijutsu user without extraordinary speed like Gai.



Neji was surprised by Ura Renge, nothing prior, especially his speed. Neji and TenTen were there, as Gai attempted to teach all three of them Omote Renge. Neji knows what was necessary for it. No surprises there. And, with his arrogance, you don't think Neji did what he could to still best Lee's technique?

How can you justify the initial gate as enough to defeat Neji, when Gai taught Lee to open more? Gai knew opening more and moving that much more faster was the only way around Neji's Byakugan and speed.

And, Gai forbidding Lee in opening gates is nothing since we saw Lee break that promise twice. In his attempts to beat Neji, there's no doubt he's done it before. And, still lost.
I honestly believe that Lee could've beaten Neji after opening 5 gates or however many he opened against Gaara. Lee would never use the gates on his fellow teammates, that's just my thought. I'm never wrong anyway.

[XanBcoo]

Mut, we're referring to Pre-time jump Sasuke because we have no fucking clue what post-time jump Sasuke is like. Refer to Strider and Assertn's "incomplete variable" argument.



Sasuke can see him spinning in slow motion. That just means bad news for Neji.
I don't see your point here. Even if Sasuke can see Neji spinning, there's still assloads of Chakra coming out and he'd still get hit.



You jus made that whole thing up. Great.
No he didn't. But Sharingan's "weakness" against Taijutsu is only relevant when copying. As in, if the opponent is moving faster than you, it doesn't matter if you can copy it, you're gonna get fucked. In any case, Sasuke is fast enough to keep up with Neji.

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Mut@chiSharingan does aid A LOT in again'st Neji's hakke because Neji's hakke is no more than a simple close quarter combat technique that require no seals or extra abilities to perform. The only reason why it's effective for a Hyuuga to use hakke is because their ability to see the tenketsu points. There should be no reason why a random ninja wouldn't be able to perform the hakke. Granted, the results won't be the same but hakke is just a simple technique. Since hakke is just a regular punch-punch move, Sasuke can see every movement with his sharingan just like he could do with Naruto's taijutsu attacks. And again, stop limiting Sasuke's abilities to the pre-time skip Sasuke.

Now you're putting limiters on Neji...the fact is, sure anyone could strike like that 64 times, but without the ability to see the tenketsu and subsequently stop/reverse an opponents chakra flow, without Jyuuken, it's pointless.



Did you even read anything that has been posted here? I never said anything about giving him another chakra flow. I said that the curse seal will provide him with such large amount of chakra that it will just unblock all the tenketsu points just like how Naruto did. Do you understand it now?

I just don't buy this, Naruto's chakra shut down so the fox's took over. Naruto should not have been able to move, and thanks to the fox, just like when Sasuke drove Naruto on his head and punctured his heart, Naruto was "resurrected" and fighting with a power that his body only sees when he's in grave danger. In Sasuke's case, the seal forcibly extracts his chakra, so his capacity is of course immense. Yes, there's quite a difference between Kidoumaru's seal and Sasuke's, but Kido knew he was going to get fucked up, and he fought a far smarter battle than probably anyone in the series. Kido's seal extracted his chakra just the same, and he knew he had to avoid Hakke. The power gap between Kyuubi and Sasuke's seal is immeasurable; it's almost as if Kyuubi has endless power, while the seal allows Sasuke to fight to the most of his potential. With that said, despite that immense chakra capacity Sasuke now has, it is still weaker than Kyuubi's power and while I am not ruling out Sasuke's ability to unblock his tenketsu, I think that was an extremely rare and special circumstance when naruto survived Hakke.

[Y]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Your breakdown is kinda lame.

First assumptiom :
Sasuke would let Neji come in close contact.

Second assumption :
Sasuke leaves himself to an open attack while going lv2.

Third assumption :
Chidori is deflected by Kaiten.

Mother of all ridiculous Assumptions :


Originally posted by: Y
Neji can force him into medium range pretty easily by just doing Kaiten

Counterpoints:
In my first scenario Sasuke attempts his non-Chidori ninjutsu and they fail. What is he gonna fucking do after that, use them some more like a retard? No, he'll go to either Chidori or move into close combat because those are the other options, and I discussed those.

Sasuke stands motionless wihle transforming as everyone stares at him. This happens every time for every transformation ANYONE does EVER. In a straight up fight you can't sit down, scream for 30 seconds while you go SSJ2 and then beat the shit out of your opponent. Since every time Sasuke has transformed he has left himself totally open, I can safely assume he'd do it again. In a "realistic" scenario Sasuke would either transform before the fight started, or not use it at all. If he transformed before the fight began it would be significantly harder for Neji, but since Sasuke burns off his power so fast it'd be easier for Neji to play the waiting game.

The only similar situation we have is Kidoumaru's arrow - a high speed straightforward attack that Neji was unable to dodge. The rotational force that the Kaiten emits will force Sasuke's hand off course just like it did with the arrow, in my opinion.

Lastly, how the fuck is Sasuke gonna stay in close range when Neji turns on the Kaiten? Stand still in the spinning vortex of chakra as it rips his flesh off?

[Jadugar]

Counterpoints:



Originally posted by: Y
In my first scenario Sasuke attempts his non-Chidori ninjutsu and they fail.

In my first scenario he doesnt. Next



Originally posted by: Y
Sasuke stands motionless wihle transforming as everyone stares at him. This happens every time for every transformation ANYONE does EVER. In a straight up fight you can't sit down, scream for 30 seconds while you go SSJ2 and then beat the shit out of your opponent. Since every time Sasuke has transformed he has left himself totally open, I can safely assume he'd do it again.

Have you ever seen Neji do his Hakke. He takes a stance and stands fucking MOTIONLESS for a few seconds. I guess Sasuke is gonna stand around and sing "Lullabye Baby"



Originally posted by: Y
In a "realistic" scenario Sasuke would either transform before the fight started, or not use it at all. If he transformed before the fight began it would be significantly harder for Neji, but since Sasuke burns off his power so fast it'd be easier for Neji to play the waiting game.

In arealistic scnario Sasuke wouldnt transform before the fight. He would wait for his opportunity. He will transform when he is well away from Neji.



Originally posted by: Y
The rotational force that the Kaiten emits will force Sasuke's hand off course just like it did with the arrow, in my opinion.Lastly, how the fuck is Sasuke gonna stay in close range when Neji turns on the Kaiten? Stand still in the spinning vortex of chakra as it rips his flesh off?

Rotational force
What about the cutting edge of Chidori. If Neji does a Kaiten then Sasuke will rip apart that rotation and cut him in half if not in pieces. (Kakashi cut through lightning with chidori).

[Y]

Originally posted by: Jadugar


In my first scenario he doesnt. Next

Is this supposed to be a refutation? You're terrible. Not even you believe that shitty attacks like Sasuke's fire ninjutsu could penetrate Neji's defenses. His long range ninjutsu capabilities suck. They didn't do shit against Gaara's absolute defense and they won't do shit against Neji's.



Have you ever seen Neji do his Hakke. He takes a stance and stands fucking MOTIONLESS for a few seconds. I guess Sasuke is gonna stand around and sing "Lullabye Baby"

Who cares about the Hakke? Neji just needs to hit him with regular Jyuuken moves to kill him. And if Sasuke moves in to close range when Neji is trying to do the Hakke Rokujyuuyonsho, he can be forced back with the Kaiten.



In arealistic scnario Sasuke wouldnt transform before the fight. He would wait for his opportunity. He will transform when he is well away from Neji.

Namely, before the fucking fight starts. I mean, why would you want until the fight has started to make yourself vulnerable and change forms? Just do it right off and be at your max power already.

Also, I assume this is an arena battle, not a place where Sasuke can run away and hide.



Rotational force
What about the cutting edge of Chidori. If Neji does a Kaiten then Sasuke will rip apart that rotation and cut him in half if not in pieces. (Kakashi cut through lightning with chidori).

The only similar example is Kidoumaru's arrow, which failed. And the arrows was in his blind spot too, which the Chidori won't be. If you want another example, against Gaara's absolute defense, Sasuke injured him nonfatally.

A high speed projectile attack hits Neji in the blind spot - fails
Sasuke's high speed attack hits Gaara's absolute defense dead on - fails
Sasuke hits Neji's absolute defense (not even in the blind spot) and it's supposed to rip him in half? Wow, that's really generous of you, but being that literally every similar situation shows that he won't kill him, I'll go with my idea.

[heero]

lol everyone is jumping into the fight all of a sudden. Well heres what I want to say:

NeJi: vs Sasuke
Kaiten > all fireball jitsu, all weapon attacks
Taijitsu ? Taijitsu (im not sure is that Sasuke has eyes that can see naruto speed)
Taijitsu > Chidori (because Neji can probably dodge the attack just like Itachi)
64 hit ? Sharingan (can he dodge it? duno...)
Speed < Speed (probably faster when he's curse seal 2 and with sharingan)
long duration > Short term power (curse seal does not allow him to fight for a long period)
Byakugan ? Sharingan (although it's been said that Sharingan is "weak" against taijitsu,but is this really true when he can see things in slow motion?)

Although my choice is still gonna be Neji (my opinion), I wont conclude who will win from this. I'll let you guys decide i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif



Originally posted by: Jadugar

Have you ever seen Neji do his Hakke. He takes a stance and stands fucking MOTIONLESS for a few seconds. I guess Sasuke is gonna stand around and sing "Lullabye Baby"

actually he isnt that slow. they only show it like that to make him look cool. remember fight with kidomaru? he changed stance to do 128 hit or watever while the spiders were coming down. the spiders stopped in the middle of the air "waiting" for him to change stance. Does that tell you anything? lol

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: heero

Although my choice is still gonna be Neji (my opinion), I wont conclude who will win from this. I'll let you guys decide

Not a single person has changed his mind in this thread. They are all sticking with their choices.

It would be fucking awesome if there would be an actual fight between these two. That would be mind blowing.

This thread is spreading at an exponential rate. Everyone had a hard time keeping up with it.

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Now you're putting limiters on Neji...the fact is, sure anyone could strike like that 64 times, but without the ability to see the tenketsu and subsequently stop/reverse an opponents chakra flow, without Jyuuken, it's pointless.
What are you talking about? Did you even understand my post?



Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
The power gap between Kyuubi and Sasuke's seal is immeasurable; it's almost as if Kyuubi has endless power, while the seal allows Sasuke to fight to the most of his potential. With that said, despite that immense chakra capacity Sasuke now has, it is still weaker than Kyuubi's power and while I am not ruling out Sasuke's ability to unblock his tenketsu, I think that was an extremely rare and special circumstance when naruto survived Hakke.
Yeah, the kyuubi's chakra is obviously significantly more powerful and larger than what the curse seal can do. But too bad NARUTO CAN'T RELEASE ALL OF IT. The amount Naruto was able to release during his fight with Sasuke was the largest we've seen before and Sasuke's curse seal still proved to be stronger. I don't understand how you guys are posting these things without even thinking one step ahead. I don't want to call people dumb but the posts you guys make are seriously lacking some thought.



Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Mut, we're referring to Pre-time jump Sasuke because we have no fucking clue what post-time jump Sasuke is like. Refer to Strider and Assertn's "incomplete variable" argument.
Wait, so we're then we're pretending that we know the full extent of Neji's improvements? Come on, a lot of this shit is hypothetical but we have to assume that Sasuke is at the very least, as strong as Naruto is (and we all know that he's da most powerful).



I don't see your point here. Even if Sasuke can see Neji spinning, there's still assloads of Chakra coming out and he'd still get hit.
Chakra isn't what completely knocks away the incoming attacks. It's Neji's spinning which allows the released chakra to deflect them. I doubt Neji's chakra control and power is so great that he could just deflect tons of shuriken just by releasing it. If it is, then it wouldn't make sense for him to spin as he can just stand there and release chakra all day.



No he didn't. But Sharingan's "weakness" against Taijutsu is only relevant when copying. As in, if the opponent is moving faster than you, it doesn't matter if you can copy it, you're gonna get fucked. In any case, Sasuke is fast enough to keep up with Neji.
Sharingan is only weak against taijutsu if the user isn't fast enough to see and react to the opponent. As far as I know, Sasuke can see and react to kyuubi'd Naruto (again, faster than Neji).

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
What are you talking about? Did you even understand my post?

Yeah, just because I read your post doesn't mean I agree with it. Your confidence is commendable but you can't assume people to take your word as gospel, and saying "did you even read my post?" over and over again is a shitty reply to anything.

[quote]
Yeah, the kyuubi's chakra is obviously significantly more powerful and larger than what the curse seal can do. But too bad NARUTO CAN'T RELEASE ALL OF IT. The amount Naruto was able to release during his fight with Sasuke was the largest we've seen before and Sasuke's curse seal still proved to be stronger. I don't understand how you guys are posting these things without even thinking one step ahead. I don't want to call people dumb but the posts you guys make are seriously lacking some thought.

Naruto still has a different chakra. You know Naruto has a damn large chakra capacity himself without Kyuubi, and Neji rendered him useless. Kyuubi is the reason. Kido had the cursed seal (not as powerful as Sasuke's, granted) and he knew if he was hit again with Hakke when he couldn't form armor around his body he was a goner. the more power that is extracted from Sasuke, the shorter his time will be against Neji. Having an immense chakra and having two different kinds are two different things. No matter the capacity, Hakke is supposed to shut the typical chakra circulatory system down. In fact I don't even think when Naruto was helped by Kyuubi that it unblocked his tenketsu. After all he has gotten up from more unbelievable things, who's to say when Naruto's tenketsu were shut that his body just took on a mind of its own, like the aformentioned Chidori through the heart and Renge on his head. Kyuubi allows him to do the impossible shit he does, and I just think his influence on Naruto is different from just adding to his own chakra.

[XanBcoo]

Chakra isn't what completely knocks away the incoming attacks. It's Neji's spinning which allows the released chakra to deflect them. I doubt Neji's chakra control and power is so great that he could just deflect tons of shuriken just by releasing it. If it is, then it wouldn't make sense for him to spin as he can just stand there and release chakra all day.
Yes...and? My point is still the same. Even if Sasuke can see Neji spinning in slow motion, it doesn't mean Neji's actually moving slower. He's still spinning fast and releasing the Chakra using a normal Kaiten.



Come on, a lot of this shit is hypothetical but we have to assume that Sasuke is at the very least, as strong as Naruto is (and we all know that he's da most powerful).
I agree, but we unless we know exactly how much he's improved, and what he's capable of, we can't use him in this argument.

As for your sharingan comment, you basically just reworded what I said. I agree, Sasuke's speed > Neji's speed.

[Strider]

@ XanBcoo: Thank you.



Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
With that said, despite that immense chakra capacity Sasuke now has, it is still weaker than Kyuubi's power and while I am not ruling out Sasuke's ability to unblock his tenketsu, I think that was an extremely rare and special circumstance when naruto survived Hakke.

An unfathomably, extremely rare and special circumstance that is only likely to occur with and in favor for Naruto.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Wait, so we're then we're pretending that we know the full extent of Neji's improvements? Come on, a lot of this shit is hypothetical but we have to assume that Sasuke is at the very least, as strong as Naruto is (and we all know that he's da most powerful).

We're not including anything post time jump for either Neji or Sasuke.

I did it once, and only considering someone else did. Thereafter, all discussion of post time jump abilities have been negated from the relevancy of this topic.

Please, follow suit.



Originally posted by: Mut@chi
Chakra isn't what completely knocks away the incoming attacks. It's Neji's spinning which allows the released chakra to deflect them. I doubt Neji's chakra control and power is so great that he could just deflect tons of shuriken just by releasing it. If it is, then it wouldn't make sense for him to spin as he can just stand there and release chakra all day.

"I don't want to call people dumb but the posts you guys make are seriously lacking some thought."

Let's go back. Picture it with me ..

Neji is stuck to a tree. Webs are covering the majority of his arms and legs, keeping him fastened to the trunk. Suddenly, as Kidoumaru is attempting to strike Neji with a final blow of his hardened web, Neji is freed and racing along the spear and in front of Kidoumaru. You remember this? Or, am I also making this up?

Chakra is what blocks / knocks away the incoming attacks and / or objects. Chakra is a force, which is being projected out of every pore of his body, pushing away objects or throwing them off course.

More support for you:

01. Chuunin Exam. Naruto v. Neji. Naruto gets the jump on Neji, as Neji thinks he's punctured one of Naruto's tenketsu. However, it proves to be a Kage Bunshin, and Naruto leaps to jab Neji in the face. In that instance of Naruto's encroachment, Neji emits chakra from his face, and Naruto's fist collides with that chakra, as if striking a brick wall. After presenting an arrogant smirk, and only after such, does Neji then spin, which caused Naruto to fly back on his ass.

02. Kidoumaru succeeded in stopping Neji's Kaiten, and as Neji slowed to a halt and became trapped within the sticky webs, one of Kidoumaru's daggers was thrown towards Neji's face. Neji saw the incoming attack, and chakra shot from that portion of his face to deflect the weapon.

03. Kidoumaru's first arrow. It should have pierced his heart. Why didn't it? Because Neji was surrounding his body in chakra, and the immense amount being poured out, and the force from it caused the arrow's designated trajectory to change. He was just standing there releasing chakra from his entire body.

Neji spins to compensate for the blind spot. He says this. An enemy cannot be on every side of him. If he is constantly moving, that alleviates the blind spot and allows Neji a chance to spot the attack or attacker, thus the sensible reasoning behind the accelerated spinning.

On a final note, Naruto isn't releasing shit. In every dire instance, it's been a matter of the Kyuubi laughing at how pitiful his container is, and bestows him with fractions of his power, giving more and more with every occasion. The Fox is testing his limits with Naruto's body and Yondaime's Eight Elephant Monkey Seal (?). The most powerful demon is biding his time to escape, is all.

[Edort4]

I dont understand all the discussion sasuke is overpowered is a cheated player, kishimoto did it, there is no much to say about it. Neji is not fast enough to hit sasuke with 3 comma sharingan, and sharingan takes as much time to activate as byakugan. Neji doesnt have any flash move or fast enough to hit sasuke, he can just defend himself.
Byakugan allows you only to see 360º round you, is not like sharingan a slowmotion camera, so maybe sasukes speed is enough to hit neji 2 or 3 times before he starts spining, wich takes time.


If naruto broke trough the kaiten just with some kyubi chakra and a punch what do you think will happen if sasuke does cs lvl1 or 2 chidori? just the same or worst. He can use katon, shuriken and a lot of attacks to made neji run out of chakra doing kaiten. It's not a fair fight since the day kishimoto decided sasuke to be narutos lifetime rival.

[The Heretic Azazel]

I don't think Neji would waste his time doing Kaiten to deflect shurikens... I do hope he has wits enough to just dodge them, as well as Sasuke's fire attacks.

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Edort4
If naruto broke trough the kaiten just with some kyubi chakra and a punch what do you think will happen if sasuke does cs lvl1 or 2 chidori? just the same or worst. He can use katon, shuriken and a lot of attacks to made neji run out of chakra doing kaiten.

I agree with this.

Power of Level 2 seal is about = "One Tail" Kyuubi-Naruto which is > Regular Kyuubi-Naruto which is just about as strong, if not stronger than the power of the Kaiten (as seen in the chuunin exam fight).

I think Sasuke is intelligent enough to figure out a way to put Neji at a disadvantage, just as Neji could do the same to Sasuke. But I think the fight would result in Neji being forced to defend, as the Curse Seal gives Sasuke so much power. This would put Neji at a disadvantage, and Sasuke would come out on top.

Oh, and yes, Neji can reflect shit with just his chakra, that's how he deflected the last arrow. But I don't think it would make much of a difference.

[Y]

Naruto broke the Kaiten, but his hit didn't connect, it just knocked him away. Also, Neji was just shitting around with Naruto the whole time and only at the very end when Naruto makes the comment about reforming the Hyuuga does Neji go "Oh, fuck, this is serious".

I really think a lot of the Sasuke support (besides obvious fanboys like Mut) comes from the fact that Sasuke fought an opponent whose style is poor like Naruto and therefore comes off looking a lot better. Neji fought an opponent who was practically tailor-made to beat the living shit out of him. Kidoumaru just so happened to have counters for all of Neji's bloodline abilities. He couldn't be hurt by Jyuuken techniques and he figured out the Byakugan's weakness and had an attack ready to exploit it. If Neji had fought ANY of the other Sound Five he would have looked a lot better fighting them, and yes, I believe he'd have done better against Kimimaro (a guy who's got a fatal blood disease already isn't gonna do so hot trying to fight with major organ failure).

Also, if anime filler is allowed (and this is open discussion, so I don't see why not) Neji can see in slow motion with the 128 strike Hakke attack. It sure isn't as good as the Sharingan, but he doesn't need it to be - each of his hits are devastating and possibly fatal.

FUCK YOU Y

[Assertn]

I don't think the purpose of spinning is to compensate for the blindspot....thats quite a bit of an exersion of stamina just to protect a small cone in the back of the head. Besides, that blind spot is something that Neji as an individual had as a weakness to overcome, and not necessarily all hyugas have that same weakness (I doubt Hiashi has it, yet he still spun for HIS kaiten). Granted any blind spots is negligable with the spinning, but I think the REAL reason for it is to act as the counter-attack to the attack.

Neji standing still was enough to block Naruto's punch, but it was the spin that knocked Naruto away.
The spin further strengthens the defense, because you're applying momentum as an opposing force, instead of just being stationary and relying completely on your chakra.

And Neji would've been able to deflect kidoumaru's arrows much better if he spun instead of standing there.

As for sasuke leaving himself open while transforming.....
I don't know why people are even considering this as a flaw....does anyone honestly think that if sasuke really wanted to bust out level 2 that he wouldn't be able to pull it off without being stopped?





Overall, I'd say this match-up would be a much tougher call if we were talking about Neji and Sasuke during the chuunin exam finals

[Y]

Well, of course if this fight happened in the manga, Neji would just stand there and watch just like everyone else does when they should be trying to stop a transformation sequence. Taking time to change forms is a bad tactical idea that only works in manga/anime because the plot says it has to.

EDIT:

If they fought in the Chuunin Exam finals I think Sasuke would lose pretty decisively. He loses a very large portion of his power advantage without the second Seal release, as well as not having the 3 mark Sharingan. Neji loses his anime filler attack and the projectile chakra blast. In my opinion, the loss of the 3 mark Sharingan makes him far too vulnerable to enter close combat, and like others have said before, he has no powerful ranged attacks.

[XanBcoo]

Well, he is really good with Shuriken/Kunai attacks and Katon jutsu like the ones he used against Oro in the Forrest of Death.

[Y]

I'm don't think anyone here believes that a kunai attack is going to do anything against Neji. He's good enough to intercept them in midair with other kunai, and if I recall he actually caught a few in the exam.

The Katon jutsus work well against opponents like Naruto because Naruto doesn't give a shit about defense - he just charges head on into them. Those powers won't break Neji's defenses.

[Assertn]

sasuke always manages to pull moves and get around obstacles that you may not expect

out of all the kids in the series....i still think sasuke is the character i can least predict in combat

[heero]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
sasuke always manages to pull moves and get around obstacles that you may not expect

out of all the kids in the series....i still think sasuke is the character i can least predict in combat

well if u put it tat way then I guess no one can beat him i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: heero
well if u put it tat way then I guess no one can beat himi/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Only Narutoi/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[Uchiha Barles]

The problem is, that now Sasuke has power comparable to Naruto. His level 2 demon chakra lets him go head to head in a power battle against naruto and if naruto can beat neji with that kind of power, then who the hell can Sasuke NOT beat? Its just boring.

[Y]

Naruto makes all of his fights a raw clash of stamina and power. Sasuke's fighting style isn't about laying down a huge amount of power at once, and the way he uses his power (Chidori) isn't as useful against Neji as it is against Naruto. And, again, Neji was just shitting around with Naruto.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Y

Naruto makes all of his fights a raw clash of stamina and power.

Thats because he has lots of it unlike any other character but then again he does uses its power and stamina strgerically. I am not talking about the fillers where he rangengans everyone and everything that moves. I am refering to his thinking style way back in Zabuza arc where he thought of defeating him with the shadow windmill technique. He came up with it by himself and before Sasuke. He was one step ahead of Neji when he defeated him. Also in his fight with Sasuke he use of kage bushin in the shape of a ladder was imprssive. When he does use his two signature moves he does it well but becuase of his overuse of rasengan and kaga bushin in all the fillers have made it very predictable and annoying to watch.

Then again I like when he goes all kayubi. Whereone need to feel like doing it once in a while.



Originally posted by: Y
Sasuke's fighting style isn't about laying down a huge amount of power at once,

Chidori is huge amout of chakra concentrated at one point.

[Y]

Chidori is the exception - he doesn't start a fight with that, and the rest of his techniques are about style and strategy.

[aznroyale]

i think that Sasuke only used Chidori when he really needs to

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Y
Chidori is the exception - he doesn't start a fight with that, and the rest of his techniques are about style and strategy.

Sasuke does bring his unique style and strategy to every fight. He is an Uchiha blood after all, Elite. No wonder Orochimaru wants him.

[Zein]

i like neji better but i still think that in the naruto Tv show, Sasuke would of won in the Chunnin exams, remember the fight with haku?

if he can prolong the fight, he can start to understand neji well enough to devise a stratagy(sasuke would of against haku, but naruto screwed that up)

so as long as neji does run Rampant with 64 strikes as soon as the battle starts(which would never happen in anime, they would probobly have a kunai duel first, then neji would get a few hits on sasuke, nothing major, sasuke would figure it out, and do somethin cool)

So in a Real fight, out of naruto, Neji would win.

but we're talking about naruto anime, so sasuke gets my vote(although i hate him)

[Jadugar]

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Originally posted by: Zein
but we're talking about naruto anime, so sasuke gets my vote(although i hate him)

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[Naruto_RNG]

Originally posted by: Zein

but we're talking about naruto anime, so sasuke gets my vote(although i hate him)

are u sure? cause it doesn't seems like it.
I just read all these post and Jadugar is right they should make a fight between these two but i'm affarid in the fight the plot device kicks in and susake magicly pulls a new move/ jutsu out of his ass and wins.i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Psyke]

Originally posted by: Jadugar


Originally posted by: Y
Chidori is the exception - he doesn't start a fight with that, and the rest of his techniques are about style and strategy.

Sasuke does bring his unique style and strategy to every fight. He is an Uchiha blood after all, Elite. No wonder Orochimaru wants him.

The only reason Orochimaru wants Sasuke is because of the Sharingan. As for Sasuke Vs Neji, it's a hard decision. I'd go with Sasuke if he has the ability to see and counter Neji's Jyuken with his Sharingan.

[Jadugar]

Originally posted by: Psyke
As for Sasuke Vs Neji, it's a hard decision. I'd go with Sasuke if he has the ability to see and counter Neji's Jyuken with his Sharingan.

Juken (gentle fist) is no more than a taijutsu technique (body technique). It suits Neji very well because he is basically a close combat fighter.

The inner coil system that transfers chakra around the body is very close and is essentially a part of all of the human body, including crucial organs. With byakugan Neji is able to see that coil system and what juken does is disrupts/stops that flow of chakra to the cruical organs.

There shouldnt be any problem for Sasuke dodging juken moves with sharingan. Also it has to more than one hit to cause severe damage to his vital organ or to stop his chakra flow.

The only reason Lee learned to open those gate was to get around byakugan and jyuken You cant hit what you cant see.

@ Strider : Its safe now. You can come out.

[Teh XYZ]

Originally posted by: Y
Naruto makes all of his fights a raw clash of stamina and power. Sasuke's fighting style isn't about laying down a huge amount of power at once, and the way he uses his power (Chidori) isn't as useful against Neji as it is against Naruto. And, again, Neji was just shitting around with Naruto.


until naruto owned him...

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: heero


Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
sasuke always manages to pull moves and get around obstacles that you may not expect

out of all the kids in the series....i still think sasuke is the character i can least predict in combat

well if u put it tat way then I guess no one can beat him

its true though.......the way kishimoto has things set up, he can decide on a whim whether he wants sasuke to win or lose to any given circumstance

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: Psyke
The only reason Orochimaru wants Sasuke is because of the Sharingan.

And because he has great skill and a very strong will (like when Oro and Kabuto freaked out when they felt his Chakra).

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Teh XYZ
until naruto owned him...

Are you serious?



Originally posted by: XanBcoo
And because he has great skill and a very strong will (like when Oro and Kabuto freaked out when they felt his Chakra).

What character doesn't have a strong will?

"Strong wills" is what has kept every single one of these Genin alive in certain situations that provoked, invited and fucked with death. That means nothing in this series.

And, only Kabuto freaked. And, it was more out of surprise. I doubt fear. Orochimaru was simply excited as he wasn't expecting the seal's power to take so well, probably.

On topic, Neji owns you. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Kensee]

We all know it's going to be Jiraya who saves their punk arses when they all fail!

But anyhow, Sasuke is a punk, I don't like him, I started to dislike him further as his actions straddled borderline idiot. "OO i want power but I'm going to side with evil for 100+ chapters until Naruto beats me into submission and I learn the errors of my ways"
Or better yet, despite all his trainning he looses to Itachi and Naruto ends up killing Itachi >=D oh so evil!

Anyhow, Neji started winning me over, I don't care who is stronger, they both acted idiotic before, but Neji is learning and Sasuke is walking in his own filth.

Meh vote, el Neji. See you 360 then dance!

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: Strider


Originally posted by: Teh XYZ
until naruto owned him...

Are you serious?


yes hes serious, because naruto did

[Strider]

Originally posted by: Jadugar
@ Strider : Its safe now. You can come out.

I just noticed you revised your post and put this in there. Heh. Bastard.

A single hit will cause severe damage, too. And, it doesn't even have to be a hard hit. Refer back to Kakashi's dialogue, and I believe Lee's, during the Hinata v. Neji bout, during the Chuunin Preliminary Exam.

[Strider]

Seriously. Why the fuck can I never edit my damn posts? And, everytime I click on the "Contact an administrator." or "Click here to notify an administrator." nothing fucking happens.

Mods, where are you?



Originally posted by: darkmetal505
yes hes serious, because naruto did

Naruto did not own Neji.

There wasn't anything Naruto could one-up Neji in, including that battle. He was beaten every which way, and Neji never broke a sweat.

His win, by default, was a plot device. As is everything concerning him. It's his show. When has Naruto lost?