Sasuke VS Neji

[The Heretic Azazel]

You changed your whole opinion based on something one character SAID?

I'm loving this like the Itachi fanboys. Durr Oro said Itachi was stronger, so it must be true in every conceivable circumstance. Right.

[Carnage]

Yes. He said it HIMSELF. I THINK KISHIMOTO WAS TRYING TO IMPLY, THAT ITACHI IS STRONGER THAN ORO VERY, VERY, VERY, simple.

[Jadugar]

@ Zidarri the Exile :

I am confused. Have you voted for Sasuke or Neji? I need to be sure, so make your mind up. I need to update the score board. Drop me a line here.

[farcityrid]

I vote for Neji.

Byakagun vs. Sharingan. It is true that Sasuke needs only to look at him but Neji does need to look at Sasuke at all. He can tell where he is by enveloping the whole area with his charka. Even if Sasuke releases the level 2 seal, Neji can stop the flow of Sasuke’s chakra with jyuuken (I think that is how it is spelled). Thinking about the hand to hand battle, Sasuke can anticipate Neji’s movements and attacks but after awhile Neji will just wear him down till the opening comes. Once that happens, expect 124 (or whatever max he can do at the time) strikes to come in a flurry and stop Sasuke cold.

[XanBcoo]

I vote for Neji.

Byakagun vs. Sharingan. It is true that Sasuke needs only to look at him but Neji does need to look at Sasuke at all. He can tell where he is by enveloping the whole area with his charka. Even if Sasuke releases the level 2 seal, Neji can stop the flow of Sasuke’s chakra with jyuuken (I think that is how it is spelled). Thinking about the hand to hand battle, Sasuke can anticipate Neji’s movements and attacks but after awhile Neji will just wear him down till the opening comes. Once that happens, expect 124 (or whatever max he can do at the time) strikes to come in a flurry and stop Sasuke cold.
This is probably the most reasonable argument for a Neji victory, however you have to remember that Sasuke has an awesomely powerful defense in his Level 2 form: the hand-wings. They are strong enough take a blow from a 1 tail Kyuubi-Naruto attack, and can react in an instant. So provided Neji could get a hit on Sasuke, he's still have to get around those damn wings.

[Carnage]

I vote for Neji.

Byakagun vs. Sharingan. It is true that Sasuke needs only to look at him but Neji does need to look at Sasuke at all. He can tell where he is by enveloping the whole area with his charka. Even if Sasuke releases the level 2 seal, Neji can stop the flow of Sasuke’s chakra with jyuuken (I think that is how it is spelled). Thinking about the hand to hand battle, Sasuke can anticipate Neji’s movements and attacks but after awhile Neji will just wear him down till the opening comes. Once that happens, expect 124 (or whatever max he can do at the time) strikes to come in a flurry and stop Sasuke cold.

Provided Sasuke wont go cursed Seal Lv. 1, superspeed behind neji and kick his ass, or melt him with Katon. Then I sarcasticly say you are correct.

[Zidarri the Exile]

Okay, you flaming retards. Go buy a joke book, you know . . . 101 Jokes for Dummies.

For one thing, learn to differentiate between sarcasm, and honesty.

Secondly, realize that you guys need to drop your testicals.

And finally, I still think Neji would win. Byakugan has proven to be overall, better.

[darkmetal505]

I vote for Neji.

Byakagun vs. Sharingan. It is true that Sasuke needs only to look at him but Neji does need to look at Sasuke at all. He can tell where he is by enveloping the whole area with his charka. Even if Sasuke releases the level 2 seal, Neji can stop the flow of Sasuke’s chakra with jyuuken (I think that is how it is spelled). Thinking about the hand to hand battle, Sasuke can anticipate Neji’s movements and attacks but after awhile Neji will just wear him down till the opening comes. Once that happens, expect 124 (or whatever max he can do at the time) strikes to come in a flurry and stop Sasuke cold.

A well substantiated arguement, but take this into account:

1) Sasuke wouldn't approach Neji with hand-to-hand combat
2) Neji will also get worn down
3) If Sasuke gets hit with jyuuken, the curse seal forces chakra out of him (explained by the Sound Four)
4) You are forgetting about Sasuke's speed; he held up with kyubbi Naruto, which needs to be accounted for.
5) Sasuke hasn't reached Mangekyou yet, so it is safe for Neji to look at him.
6) Sasuke might be able to find out Neji's weakness: the point at which Byakugan can not see.
7) Chidori can break Kaiten (or so I believe).

At least you don't blatantly say "Neji will win because he is a l33t pwner"

I thank you for that.

[Carnage]

Pretty much what darkmetal said. Except:

1.) Actually, Sasuke might face Neji in hand to hand combat. He can see Neji's moves, hes faster than neji, and hes stronger than neji.

5.)MANGA SPOILER :










No, it isnt safe for Neji to look at Sasuke's eye. Atleast not after the 2 and a half year time jump. If you've read chapter 301, Sai was sweating just by looking at him, and Sai is emotionless.

[darkmetal505]

Pretty much what darkmetal said. Except:

1.) Actually, Sasuke might face Neji in hand to hand combat. He can see Neji's moves, hes faster than neji, and hes stronger than neji.

5.)MANGA SPOILER :










No, it isnt safe for Neji to look at Sasuke's eye. Atleast not after the 2 and a half year time jump. If you've read chapter 301, Sai was sweating just by looking at him, and Sai is emotionless.

well I think the guidelines for this debate said that the sasuke was at the stage when he fought naruto (the second time). I don't think he learned any awesome genjutsu by then.

Also I said that Sasuke wouldnt' approach Neji, or at least it would be one of the last things he would think of doing. If I had to bet on genin stopping Sasuke's Shishi Rendan, it would be Neji because he has experience with taijutsu.

Sasuke would problem would wear him down and then attack with Chidori, or take quick swipes at him. He could stay in close (since he would easily be able to avoid Neji's attacks), but I don't think he would go straight for the punching and kicking.

[heero]

Also, I would like to point out something:

Neji < Naruto prior end of Chuunin exams < Naruto after Chuunin exams < Kyuubi Naruto < Kyuubi Lv. 1 Naruto < Sasuke

now, Neji has obviously improved. So Im guessing this is where he stands during the Sasuke arc.


Neji < Kyuubi Naruto < Kyuubi Naruto Lv. 1 < Sasuke

Those comparisons are based on fight results. But can you say that these wins/loses aren't because of Kishimoto trying to make a good storyline? If you say yes, then please explain how Neji lost to Naruto from a single punch but survived and won the fight against "spiderman" when there was a hole in his body? Also explain how Naruto's full power rasengan was not able to blast through the head protector and kill Sasuke. Don't tell me head protectors are made of gundanium alloy.

[xDarkMaster]

I don't recall Naruto giving Sasuke a rasengan to the head. Rasengan and chidori met, and then Naruto scratched Sasuke's forehead protector.

[XanBcoo]

I don't recall Naruto giving Sasuke a rasengan to the head. Rasengan and chidori met, and then Naruto scratched Sasuke's forehead protector.
That's exactly what happened. The two attacks clashed, cancelled eachother out (though the finishing blows were still left with some "residue" of the techniques), and then Naruto scratched Sasuke's forehead.

The Neji-Naruto fight has always confused me. I've retired to just assuming that Naruto hit him in such a way that Neji was somehow paralyzed ("I can't move my body"), though I doubt anyone can really say anything other than "plot device!".

The same can be said about Sasuke's victory. He won because Kishimoto wanted him to leave. Therefore, he was given a power (the Curse Seal) comparable to Kyuubi-Naruto which has so far been unmatched in speed or power. The difference is that Sasuke didn't just win because of one instance (as with Naruto's victory over Neji). He was able to best Kyuubi-Naruto in terms of speed, and then match One Tail-Naruto's most powerful attack. The final blow itself might have been a plot device, but the fact that Sasuke could keep up with Naruto in that form means he was keeping up with the most powerful person in the series (sans the Sanin, Jounin, and Itachi). This is of course ignoring all of Sasuke's other advantages over the Hyuuga.

[Carnage]

Sasuke would problem would wear him down and then attack with Chidori, or take quick swipes at him. He could stay in close (since he would easily be able to avoid Neji's attacks), but I don't think he would go straight for the punching and kicking.

Lol, why punch the guy when you can burn him:D

Like I said before, Sasuke probably doesnt need to go Cursed Seal Lv.2, at most Lv. 1. With only his sharingan he has Lee's speed, a vast amount of chakra, and can predict movement of someone with Kyuubi Naruto's speed. With Cursed Seal Lv.1 he's even stronger. I dont think Neji can win.

As for the Naruto vs. Neji fight, I always thought it was that Naruto had put alot of his chakra into his fist because it was glowing blue.

[farcityrid]

Pretty much what darkmetal said. Except:

1.) Actually, Sasuke might face Neji in hand to hand combat. He can see Neji's moves, hes faster than neji, and hes stronger than neji.

5.)MANGA SPOILER :










No, it isnt safe for Neji to look at Sasuke's eye. Atleast not after the 2 and a half year time jump. If you've read chapter 301, Sai was sweating just by looking at him, and Sai is emotionless.

LMAO!...I liked your reason that Sasuke will use a katon and burn Neji better .

Back to the topic, I don't think that Sasuke is so fast that he will ovewhelm Neji. If it is a battle of speed, Neji has seen that type of speed time and time again. He trained with Rock Lee. Rock Lee is in his team. He beat him over and over again. Don't overlook Neji's skills just because Sasuke is a more focal character in the story. For in the end, this battle is all about skills. And the person with the most sound skillset in this battle is Neji.

[Carnage]

But remember, Rock Lee didnt take off his weights before the second part of the Chuunin exam. Neji didnt fight against Lee's unweighted speed. And sasuke is even faster than that because of the cursed seal.

[drims]

If its is a battle of speed, Sasuke wins. Because during his battle with Gaara, Gai sensei was astonished Kakashi was able to get him to be the same speed as Rock Lee in just a month. Now that he has he cursed seal, how much faster could he be?...its no match.

By power if you mean chakra potential, Sasuke is still stronger. He has the curse seal, this adds on more than enough to surpass Neji. He also has Chidori the move that can cut through anything.

Im not saying Neji isnt storng or that it would be an easy fight for Sasuke, but Sasuke would win.

[darkshadow]

its not the chidori that just cuts through anything, its the speed of the user that determines the cutting power, didnt he barely get through gaara's defense? im pretty positive he wouldnt get through the ultimate defense gaara used on kimimaro, also it didnt seem he got faster with the curse seal, since he uses his wings at that point to move around ( i bet they are heavy as hell too ), and oh if you didnt know, chidori can easily be countered.......itachi anyone?? im still pretty sure post time jump neji is still a faster fighter then sasuke( 128strikes was already crazy fast, now try to imagine the speed of 361 strikes)

[darkmetal505]

its not the chidori that just cuts through anything, its the speed of the user that determines the cutting power, didnt he barely get through gaara's defense? im pretty positive he wouldnt get through the ultimate defense gaara used on kimimaro, also it didnt seem he got faster with the curse seal, since he uses his wings at that point to move around ( i bet they are heavy as hell too ), and oh if you didnt know, chidori can easily be countered.......itachi anyone?? im still pretty sure post time jump neji is still a faster fighter then sasuke( 128strikes was already crazy fast, now try to imagine the speed of 361 strikes)

It cut through Gaara's defense just fine, its just that the sand was repairing the whole, trapping Sasuke's hand. Its quite possible Chidori will be able to break Kaiten, and on the contrary, Sasuke got a hell of a lot faster with curse seal. Look at the fight between Naruto and him. The reason Chidori was countered was because it was Itachi, and if I remember, he had Sharingan on. We learned that Itachi is insanely fast and can perform hand seals so fast that Kakashi can barely catch them. Post time jump Neji is a whole new field, but now you are going to have to consider post time jump sasuke (2 and a half years of training with Oro) :) .

[The Heretic Azazel]

its not the chidori that just cuts through anything, its the speed of the user that determines the cutting power, didnt he barely get through gaara's defense? im pretty positive he wouldnt get through the ultimate defense gaara used on kimimaro, also it didnt seem he got faster with the curse seal, since he uses his wings at that point to move around ( i bet they are heavy as hell too ), and oh if you didnt know, chidori can easily be countered.......itachi anyone?? im still pretty sure post time jump neji is still a faster fighter then sasuke( 128strikes was already crazy fast, now try to imagine the speed of 361 strikes)

Well, that "ultimate defense" Gaara used on Kimi is a little shady as far as I'm concerned. Kimi could have just walked around the damn thing and Gaara would be screwed seeing that he had to put all his concentration into it. That always bothered me.

[darkshadow]

he didnt get faster with the curse seal lvl2, he really didnt he doesnt get any faster with the curse seal lvl 2 in the game either, it just increases his strength and chakra, and he has the ability to fly around, just think about it, moving at insane speeds with those "wings" isnt really aerodynamic is it? in this case ( SOZ DBZ REFERENCE ) he did it WRONG, he increases strength and endurance, but no speed gain, maybe a little, but not the speed gain he gets after he goes cs lvl1,
im not saying he gets slower after cs1 he just doesnt get that much faster, naruto also gained insane speed when he whent kyuubi 1, but it seemed more like his strength gained when he went kyuubi 2 ( it also seemed he got a little slower )
IMO cs lvl 1 sasuke has a better chance against neji, having the speed advantage and stuff

edit: if he got through ti "just fine" it shouldve torn of gaara's arm/shoulder off as well, it didnt, it lost speed on impact, losing lots of its cutting power

[darkmetal505]

Well, I don't think its about the wings, and you might be right. I'll rewatch the episodes and post some screenshots I guess. The thing with Gaara's defense is his damn sand. It seems like Chidori can only cut through the part its touching. I think when the sand was repairing itself it stopped around Sasuke's biceps/shoulder, stopping him from going all the way. However, Neji's Kaiten isnt that "strong" physically compared to Gaara's. Since its just a whirl of chakra, Chidori should be able to kind of slice it.

Are you talking about Naruto 4 for gamecube? Well I'm getting the game and it seems like a half decent player can own with lvl 2 sasuke, kind of like a cheap characters (from the videos I've seen). Also, if they made him really fast, neither the controller or opponent would know where he would show up.

[darkshadow]

no im talking about the 3rd game for ps2, and no he isnt even really fast, or fast, he is even a bit slower then in cs1, he just gains abnormal strength and chakra, gates gai/lee are really fast, itachi is a tad slower, and the 4th is insanely fast in the game, so making cs2 sasuke a bit faster wouldnt have been a problem

[drims]

its not the chidori that just cuts through anything, its the speed of the user that determines the cutting power, didnt he barely get through gaara's defense? im pretty positive he wouldnt get through the ultimate defense gaara used on kimimaro,

Exactly... With Cursed seal Sasuke becomes alot faster, furthering his chidoris ability to cut through anything.



and oh if you didnt know, chidori can easily be countered.......itachi anyone??

You cant compare Itachi and Sasuke at that time,, Itachi was at a Sannin + level, Sasuke was a Genin...


im still pretty sure post time jump neji is still a faster fighter then sasuke( 128strikes was already crazy fast, now try to imagine the speed of 361 strikes)

Im not denying the speed of Neji, but with Sasukes sharingan he is able to predict his movements and stop them. And DONT say that his sharingan can see his jyuuken strikes because his jyuuken strikes are not his bloodline limit. The attack is capable because of byakugan..



im pretty positive he wouldnt get through the ultimate defense gaara used on kimimaro,

:eek:Whats so hard about just running around that big bear defense of Gaara? :D

[darkshadow]

uhm did you totally NOT read my previous posts? on how sasuke does NOT get faster in cs2 and stuff? i used itachi as reference because he only had to grab the hand to stop the attack, do you really think that neji with his even better eye of insight will not see a linear attack like chidori coming? only a tap at sasuke's wrist would disable his hand, i really dont see chidori as the move that defeats neji, even though im rooting for neji, the only way sasuke is gonna defeat him, is either go cs2 and massively try and overpower neji.

or go cs1+3dot sharingan, and fight neji like he fought naruto ( i see more winning chance this way

edit: sinds gaara controls sand by will and the sand moved on its own too, im pretty damn sure the big bear/shukaku thing would move along if you tried to go around it

[drims]

Do you really think that neji with his even better eye of insight will not see a linear attack like chidori coming? only a tap at sasuke's wrist would disable his hand, i really dont see chidori as the move that defeats neji, even though im rooting for neji, the only way sasuke is gonna defeat him, is either go cs2 and massively try and overpower neji.

or go cs1+3dot sharingan, and fight neji like he fought naruto ( i see more winning chance this way

Chidori would leave the user weak since its such a straight head on attack, and it could happen that Neji could deflect Chidori by a "tap on the wrist..." ; but thats what his Sharingan is for; to predict whats going to happen and act as needed.



uhm did you totally NOT read my previous posts? on how sasuke does NOT get faster in cs2 and stuff?

Yes I did read your post ,and Cursed seal "the first level" does increase speed of the user. I think at the first level of cursed seal is enough to handle Neji. For reference check wikipedia. A very reliable site. And the link to the specifc information of cursed seal is below. Even they say the cursed seal increases speed though the increase of chakra.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_jutsu

[heero]

You cant compare Itachi and Sasuke at that time,, Itachi was at a Sannin + level, Sasuke was a Genin....

a "tap on the wrist" does not require one to be a Sannin to do...


Well, that "ultimate defense" Gaara used on Kimi is a little shady as far as I'm concerned. Kimi could have just walked around the damn thing and Gaara would be screwed seeing that he had to put all his concentration into it. That always bothered me.

Kimi's spine was stuck into the bear thing when he wrapped it around Gaara.

[darkshadow]

Yes I did read your post ,and Cursed seal "the first level" does increase speed of the user. I think at the first level of cursed seal is enough to handle Neji. For reference check wikipedia. A very reliable site. And the link to the specifc information of cursed seal is below. Even they say the cursed seal increases speed though the increase of chakra.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_jutsu

ok you totally did not read it, as i said he DOES get faster in cs1, but the speed gain ( if there is any ) is not noticable in cs2

here wiki just bit you:
A mark consisting of three comma-like dots (not unlike the Sharingan) appears on the victim's neck. It activates when the victim attempts to use chakra.
Level one increases chakra, and speed and strength.
Level two not only increases chakra and strength, but causes the user to sprout large, black wings from their back.

do you see speed listed in lvl2? instead of speed, he gains those wings

[XanBcoo]

a "tap on the wrist" does not require one to be a Sannin to do...
The difference in their speed and skill is so great though, that Itachi was easliy able to avoid the Chidori, just by grabbing his wrist.

It would be like me (hypothetically) saying "well, Neji was kicked in the face by Orochimaru, so he'd lose against anyone." A kick in the face is not hard to do, no? Yet the fact that he was countered by someone who is known to be one of the strongest in the series just shows what kind of skill is needed to do something like that. Even if Neji were to somehow avoid the Chidori, he'd get roughed-up by Sasuke anyway because of their difference in speed and power.

About the Level 2 curse seal, I agree with darkshadow. The second stage obviously does not make Sasuke a whole lot faster. But he's fast enough with the level 1 seal, the level 2 seal just guarantees the boost in power he'd need to kill Neji.

[drims]

ok you totally did not read it, as i said he DOES get faster in cs1, but the speed gain ( if there is any ) is not noticable in cs2

here wiki just bit you:
A mark consisting of three comma-like dots (not unlike the Sharingan) appears on the victim's neck. It activates when the victim attempts to use chakra.
Level one increases chakra, and speed and strength.
Level two not only increases chakra and strength, but causes the user to sprout large, black wings from their back.

do you see speed listed in lvl2? instead of speed, he gains those wings



......Yes I did read your post ,and Cursed seal "the first level" does increase speed of the user. I think at the first level of cursed seal is enough to handle Neji. For reference check wikipedia. A very reliable site. And the link to the specifc information of cursed seal is below. Even they say the cursed seal increases speed though the increase of chakra.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto_jutsu

When Did I claim cs2 increased Sasuke's speed? I said that the first level did ,and that this would be more than enough to take Neji; especially with his sharingan.

Did you read my post?

[farcityrid]

Don't you guys think that the battle will go hit for hit? From the posts, it appears that people are of the consensus that Sasuke will just own Neji.

For Sasuke to really hurt Neji, he would have to get in close and attack him. But once he gets there he could be leaving himself open to Neji's Divination Circle Attacks.

Strength against strength. This battle will not be an easy victory for either character. Most likely, the person that wins will be the person with the stamina. From what we saw in the manga, it is hard to tell who has more stamina.

I know there will be people that will contend that all Sasuke needs to do is activate his level one and two seal. I say fin. Yet remember that once the seals are activated, he is both harmed and helped by them. So, he can't just activate them and not expect any ill effects.

[darkshadow]

@drims
because the whole point of MY posts where that cs2 doesnt grant him the cs1 speedboost
so you obviously didnt read what i said, as i was saying too that cs1 grants him a large speed boost, yet you had to say:
...,and Cursed seal "the first level" does increase speed of the user.....

this sentence is an response to a "you said cs1 does NOT increase speed" comment, while i did say it increases >_>
please pick your sentences better.

[Naruto_RNG]

thank u farcityrid.
u guys are making such a big deal out of this cursed seal. as we've been told the cursed seal uses only the user's chakra, it doesn't add any. so u guys are saying sasuke will not loose any chakra while fighting neji and somewhere in middle of the fight he activates it and owns neji. first of all we're comparing two different people with two different fighting style. neji is a close combat person and sasuke is long range combat person. excluding chidori every other known move of sasuke at that time was long range. all of neji's moves are close combat type, so are u guys saying sasuke knows more about close combat type (taijutsu) moves more then neji? and neji's speed should be clear when he does that 128 or wut ever move he does. I didn't see any1 counter attacking it while it is being done.
Cursed seal is a good jutsu only for very short amount of time, neji can hide, run around take 2-3 hits, till the effect is over then sasuke is F-ed. neji already expreinced seal 2 lvl of fighting, so he think things through. unfortunatly i have no cluse of how the seal actually works due to the fact that it did not made any since in naruto vs. sasuke fight. if it did really use the users chakra then that fight would of been finished in a very different way.
and last wiki is not a good place for backing up your claims, they make a lot of stuff up, or take people idea and name it their own.

[XanBcoo]

thank u farcityrid.
u guys are making such a big deal out of this cursed seal. as we've been told the cursed seal uses only the user's chakra, it doesn't add any..
The curse seal increases the users chakra and simultaneously makes them faster and stronger. I don't know what you don't understand about this. This is why Sasuke is able to use more than 2 Chidori per day while it is activated. It also explains every other increase in skill whenever it has been activated (think back to when he first used it - "I am an avenger").


so u guys are saying sasuke will not loose any chakra while fighting neji and somewhere in middle of the fight he activates it and owns neji. first of all we're comparing two different people with two different fighting style. neji is a close combat person and sasuke is long range combat person. excluding chidori every other known move of sasuke at that time was long range. all of neji's moves are close combat type, so are u guys saying sasuke knows more about close combat type (taijutsu) moves more then neji? and neji's speed should be clear when he does that 128 or wut ever move he does. I didn't see any1 counter attacking it while it is being done.
For your first point, no. I am not saying that Sasuke will not loose any chakra. Both he and Neji will most likely expend mass ammounts of Chakra (especially if Neji relies so much on his Jyuuken style). Sasuke has the curse seal though, giving him a boost in this area.

For the second point, you are wrong. "every other known move of sasuke at that time was long range." What about Shishi Rendan? What about Sasuke's above-average speed and Taijutsu skills (not to mention the 3-pupil Sharingan...again). Also, the reason no one countered the Hakke Rokujyuu move is because of the instances it has been used. Once against an unsuspecting Naruto, once against a non-taijutsu user (actually, Kidomaru defended against this attack quite nicely - much how Sasuke would), and once against Spiders.


Cursed seal is a good jutsu only for very short amount of time, neji can hide, run around take 2-3 hits, till the effect is over then sasuke is F-ed. neji already expreinced seal 2 lvl of fighting, so he think things through..
You are right about the curse seal. Sasuke wouldn't be able to use it for long, but that's all he'd need in order to beat Neji. The odds are in his favor. Neji would also not have the time to "Think things through" like he did with Kimimaro, because Sasuke would not give him the time to do so as Kidomaru did. I also don't see how experience of the urse seal plays any part in this fight though. What's there to know? That it makes them stronger?

Don't you guys think that the battle will go hit for hit?
Yes, I do. Neji is no pushover. I'm still inclined to believe the battle will end with Sasuke either dying after he has killed Neji, or severly injured as a result of the fight. Sasuke however, has more advantages over Neji over all, so he has a much better chance of winning in a fight like this.

This battle will not be an easy victory for either character. Most likely, the person that wins will be the person with the stamina. From what we saw in the manga, it is hard to tell who has more stamina.
I'll tell you now it's Sasuke. And yes, I'm referring to the effects of the curse seal.

Also, drims and darkshadow: Stop bickering. Now.

[darkmetal505]

thank u farcityrid.
u guys are making such a big deal out of this cursed seal. as we've been told the cursed seal uses only the user's chakra, it doesn't add any. so u guys are saying sasuke will not loose any chakra while fighting neji and somewhere in middle of the fight he activates it and owns neji. first of all we're comparing two different people with two different fighting style. neji is a close combat person and sasuke is long range combat person. excluding chidori every other known move of sasuke at that time was long range. all of neji's moves are close combat type, so are u guys saying sasuke knows more about close combat type (taijutsu) moves more then neji? and neji's speed should be clear when he does that 128 or wut ever move he does. I didn't see any1 counter attacking it while it is being done.
Cursed seal is a good jutsu only for very short amount of time, neji can hide, run around take 2-3 hits, till the effect is over then sasuke is F-ed. neji already expreinced seal 2 lvl of fighting, so he think things through. unfortunatly i have no cluse of how the seal actually works due to the fact that it did not made any since in naruto vs. sasuke fight. if it did really use the users chakra then that fight would of been finished in a very different way.
and last wiki is not a good place for backing up your claims, they make a lot of stuff up, or take people idea and name it their own.

Sasuke fights both long range and short range. Have you seen his fights, against Rock Lee, Oro, Naruto, Gaarra, Oro's subordinate, the sound four, etc. He uses taijutsu in all of them buddy. No taijutsu attack? What is Shishi Rendan then? Lvl 2 curse seal forcefully extracts chakra out of the body. Sasuke is fast enough by then to slay Neji. What do you mean that the curse seal in the naruto vs sasuke fight didn't make sense, it's the only time we've seen it (excluding the chunnin exam), thus the only fight we can draw speculation from.

[darkshadow]

I'm not bickering, im debating <_< and i think you meant kidomaru not kimimaro right?

also i cant see sasuke dodging ALL of the 128 strikes, they are just too fast, also sasuke doesnt really have to get close, 128 strikes doubles the range of the circle, and even if sasuke can dodge 128 strikes, neji always has 361 strikes ( talk about insane speed and range here ) even if sasuke blocks it, those few strikes that land on his arms would make his arms useless, and im pretty sure neji has increased the range of his kaiten after training with hiashi ( or hizashi >_> ), since his kaiten is like, f'king huge, and this is still pre time jump, sasuke would probably break his arm again if he tried a chidori on the kaiten

[darkmetal505]

I'm not bickering, im debating <_< and i think you meant kidomaru not kimimaro right?

also i cant see sasuke dodging ALL of the 128 strikes, they are just too fast, also sasuke doesnt really have to get close, 128 strikes doubles the range of the circle, and even if sasuke can dodge 128 strikes, neji always has 361 strikes ( talk about insane speed and range here ) even if sasuke blocks it, those few strikes that land on his arms would make his arms useless, and im pretty sure neji has increased the range of his kaiten after training with hiashi ( or hizashi >_> ), since his kaiten is like, f'king huge, and this is still pre time jump, sasuke would probably break his arm again if he tried a chidori on the kaiten

Its not the range of the kaiten, its the thickness, or rather the power of it. A black chidori is backed by immense power which would probably slice through a field of rotating chakra despite its size (look at what it did when it collided with rasengan). Isn't the 361 strike of Neji's after the time jump?

[darkshadow]

no he learns it just before the time jump, while under hiashi's training, and yes i think he would be able to get through it ( kaiten ), but i think the rotational and stoppig for of the kaiten would slow chidori to a crawl or even to a full stop, getting him in range of the circle, bang ### strikes <_<

[Jadugar]

New votes :

Inazuma, anbu41, farcityrid, Zidarri the Excile

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[The Heretic Azazel]

Isn't the 361 strike of Neji's after the time jump?

Technically the move doesn't exist.. Neji never used it in the manga.

[drims]

@drims
because the whole point of MY posts where that cs2 doesnt grant him the cs1 speedboost
so you obviously didnt read what i said, as i was saying too that cs1 grants him a large speed boost, yet you had to say:
...,and Cursed seal "the first level" does increase speed of the user.....

this sentence is an response to a "you said cs1 does NOT increase speed" comment, while i did say it increases >_>
please pick your sentences better.


Were did I say cs1 does not increase speed? In your first paragraph above you quoted me saying that cs1 does increase the speed of Sasuke; which I did. Now your going to contradict yourself and lie, in saying that I said cs1 does not increase Sasukes speed? I even gave you a link to defend this argument.

Please pick your sentences better.

[Naruto_RNG]

@XanBcoo


"Neji would also not have the time to "Think things through" like he did with Kimimaro, because Sasuke would not give him the time to do so as Kidomaru did."
we never know?

"I also don't see how experience of the curse seal plays any part in this fight though. What's there to know? That it makes them stronger?"
I think u just answered yourself there. wouldn't u like to know who u dealing with when your fighting someone? wut u close your eye and say; hell so wut if he has transformed into a girl I'll beat him anyway. I'm sure this would help him fight better cause he has some-what knowledge of this transformation.

and the all mighty three dotted sharingan and the the weak byakugan. we have no clue of wut will be the result when these two collide, since it has never been happened before. it's been said, and we saw that 3 doted sharingan can predict the next move, and it has also been said and we saw that byakugan can see the chakra movements. since one need chakra to move any part of the body (in naruto world) wouldn't u think that neji could react much faster to sasuke's incoming attacks then the 3 dotted sharingan? or cancel each other out? now don't give me bull and try to come up with something good.
@darkmetal505
do u really think that Naruto vs. sasuke fight made any since power wise with all the chakra he used at that time?

[darkmetal505]

@darkmetal505
do u really think that Naruto vs. sasuke fight made any since power wise with all the chakra he used at that time?

Yes I do, but I'm not really sure what you are asking. If you are asking "since Sasuke already used up so much chakra, how did the curse seal activiate? So does it make sense?" My answer is yes because the Seishingan drug was used to forcefully activate lvl 2, but it put Sasuke in a near death state. Because of the barrier setup by the Sound Four it reduced the side effect and allowed Sasuke to gain the extra level. As seen in the chunnin exam (the forest one), when sasuke arose after fighting Oro, he was emitting purple chakra. Notice that he was supposed to be knocked out (meaning he couldn't use chakra), but the seal forcefully uprooted chakra in his body. In the way I see it, each ninja has a amount of chakra, and if depleted they die. Thus the body puts a barrier to how much chakra one can extract, but the seal removes the barrier. Thus by means of the curse seal, if taken to far, the seal will consume the body because it depleted the users chakra. Think of it like Rock Lee's gate openings.

[darkshadow]

Were did I say cs1 does not increase speed? In your first paragraph above you quoted me saying that cs1 does increase the speed of Sasuke; which I did. Now your going to contradict yourself and lie, in saying that I said cs1 does not increase Sasukes speed? I even gave you a link to defend this argument.

Please pick your sentences better.

*sigh*
read my sentence, i mean READ it dont scan over it, i said, that line you said was more like a response to A "you said cs1 does NOT increase speed" comment, MEANING in general, the YOU that i used in that does not address anyone, IN OTHER WORDS
your line seemed to have been a response to something i said, which in this case you might've though was that i said that cs1 doesn't increase speed. while in reality, i didnt
do you understand me now? sheez.

[XanBcoo]

Take it to PMs you two.


@XanBcoo
we never know?
...
I think u just answered yourself there. wouldn't u like to know who u dealing with when your fighting someone? wut u close your eye and say; hell so wut if he has transformed into a girl I'll beat him anyway. I'm sure this would help him fight better cause he has some-what knowledge of this transformation.
I don't see how Neji knowing that Sasuke becomes more powerful with the curse seal is that much of an advantage. Yes, it lets him know what he's up against, but not much else really. Actually, Neji knows less about the curse seals than the rest of the Genin since he never actually saw Kidomaru transformed until he delivered the last blow. Perhaps he would know to adopt a defensive situation, but he might have done that anyway. Like you say, we'll never know exactly how the two's techniques will fare against eachother, but we can use clues from the various times we have seen each of them fight to make a good guess at the outcome.


and the all mighty three dotted sharingan and the the weak byakugan. we have no clue of wut will be the result when these two collide, since it has never been happened before. it's been said, and we saw that 3 doted sharingan can predict the next move, and it has also been said and we saw that byakugan can see the chakra movements.since one need chakra to move any part of the body (in naruto world) wouldn't u think that neji could react much faster to sasuke's incoming attacks then the 3 dotted sharingan? or cancel each other out? now don't give me bull and try to come up with something good.
I bolded the part where you made a mistake. One does not need chakra to perform physical actions in Naruto. Chakra is actually made by combining physical energy with mental energy (see episode 10 or 11, when Sakura explains this). Neji fights specifically using his chakra, which I assert that Sasuke would be able to see and react to using the Sharingan (FFS remember! He's fast enough to counter attack Kyuubi-Naruto!). We know the Sharingan can copy physical movements and also see/predict chakra flow. Setting this up against Neji's ability to see the tenketsu and Chakra circulatory system, I still see an advantage for Sasuke. You could argue that Sasuke is using the curse seal to enhance his abilities, and therefore using chakra visible to Neji. But really, he wouldn't be able to do much else than notice that there's a whole lot more of it. There is a difference in the two abilities.

[Assertn]

People are still talking here? I'm confused....is there anything that hasn't already been mentioned the first 10 pages?

[XanBcoo]

People are still talking here? I'm confused....is there anything that hasn't already been mentioned the first 10 pages?
Nope, not a thing. New guys just keep coming in with the same old argument having not bothered to read what's already been proven/disproven.

[Jadugar]

@ Xan :

Give me a shout when you need a helping hand. You seem to be doing ok on your own.

[Naruto_RNG]

@XanBcoo
where does it say in anime or manga that sharingan or the three dotted one can see or predict chakra flow. could u give me the eps number or the number of chapter that say so?
to my knowledge that was byakugan's ability not sharingan.
I just saw the eps 130-134 again right now didn't see anything that said he can read/predict chakra flow.

One does not need chakra to perform physical actions in Naruto. Chakra is actually made by combining physical energy with mental energy (see episode 10 or 11, when Sakura explains this).
ok, I agree but it certaintly effects physical state if there is no chakra. "naruto could barely standup when his tenketsus were hit"
@AssertnFailure
come on man don't u find argumentting fun? nobody can 100% prove this, so people will write anything even things that have been mentioned before. Nobody tries to listen to the other.

[XanBcoo]

@XanBcoo
where does it say in anime or manga that sharingan or the three dotted one can see or predict chakra flow. could u give me the eps number or the number of chapter that say so?
to my knowledge that was byakugan's ability not sharingan.
I just saw the eps 130-134 again right now didn't see anything that said he can read/predict chakra flow.
If you had watched those episodes, read the manga chapter where Sasuke and One-Tail Naruto fight, or read some of the posts in this thread, then you'd see that Sasuke is able to predict the movements of Naruto's Kyuubi-Chakra during their fight. Strider (I think it was him) posted the page from the manga a ways back. I originally thought he was just seeing in slow motion, and able to predict only physical movements but the manga page posted in this thread indicates otherwise. In either case, it doesn't matter because other instances indicate that Sasuke is able to see chakra movement with the Sharingan as well. For example, he can see the Chakra when he looks at all those bunshin during the 2nd exam in the Forrest of Death. It also logically makes sense that Sharingan can see chakra flow because of its copying ability. Just making the handseals is not enough, one needs to know how to properly mold and control the chakra in order to pull of a jutsu - which is what the Sharingan allows for when coyping. This, again, is a point that has been brought up multiple times in this thread.

Even if I am wrong about the Sharingan's ability to see chakra flow (as I very well may be), it wouldn't make a difference because he'd still be able to predict any of Neji's physical movements using the 3-pupil Sharingan. Whichever way you choose to look at it, Sasuke has the upper hand.

Your comment about chakra affecting physical state provides no weight in this argument. I don't know why you brought it up. Neji still cannot predict Sasuke's movements, which was my original point. But I suppose he can see how much chakra Sasuke has left, and how he is using it. This is no doubt an advantage, so I'll give 1 point to Neji's side. Well done.

@Jadugar; I may need you to step in afterall. I'm getting way too into this topic :p.

[darkshadow]

he can predict movements, to an EXTENT, not like sharingan does, just like he could tell what hinata was thinking of by her just moving her eye, the eye of insight of byakugan is superior to that of sharingan, also sharingan cant predict chakra flow, it can see the chakra flow and copy it, but it cant predict how its going to flow, sasuke saw the kyuubi chakra because, well it envelopes naruto, anyone can see it then, also the chakra moved on its own, again everyone could see that, thats not a sharingan ability

[IFHTT]

Well I'm not about to dive into this mess, but just to add clarification: In the one tail Naruto/Sasuke fight, I thought Sasuke could predict his movement by the way naruto's joints and body parts were positioned but the kyuubi's chakra was moving independently. I haven't read nor seen those chapters/episodes in a while so I may be wrong.

[darkmetal505]

Well I'm not about to dive into this mess, but just to add clarification: In the one tail Naruto/Sasuke fight, I thought Sasuke could predict his movement by the way naruto's joints and body parts were positioned but the kyuubi's chakra was moving independently. I haven't read nor seen those chapters/episodes in a while so I may be wrong.

No, you are correct. The three tamoe sharingan can predict movement based on muscle twitches.

@ darkshadow

Byakugan has better insight? Are far as I can see the only abilities of Byakugan are these: see far away, see through things, see almost 360 degrees, and see chakra movement/tenketsu. As far as thats concerned, Byakugan has better sight than insight. In no way can it predict movement, that all depends on the user's ability (which I must say Neji is quite adept in). However Sharingan can; how else would it be able to copy jutsu fast enough?

[Naruto_RNG]

I was just reading the old post and got tired of it, didn't find the page that strider posted the things about sharingan being able to c chakra flow, does any1 know wut page is it cause I really like to c it?
@darkmetal
was it u who point out the wikipedia about something to backup your post not pin pointing u if am I'm wrong I appologize but look about byakugan/sharingan again in wikipedia.

how else would it be able to copy jutsu fast enough?
he does the samething as kakashi did in zabuza arc, copy it with his eyes. he did the samething in the test part of chunin exam when he was cheating. thats wut sharingan is good for cheating. LOL
oh did mut@chi got banned or something?

[darkshadow]

darkmetal, kakashi said himself the eye of insight of byakugan is BETTER then the eye of insight of sharingan

[darkmetal505]

I was just reading the old post and got tired of it, didn't find the page that strider posted the things about sharingan being able to c chakra flow, does any1 know wut page is it cause I really like to c it?
@darkmetal
was it u who point out the wikipedia about something to backup your post not pin pointing u if am I'm wrong I appologize but look about byakugan/sharingan again in wikipedia.

he does the samething as kakashi did in zabuza arc, copy it with his eyes. he did the samething in the test part of chunin exam when he was cheating. thats wut sharingan is good for cheating. LOL
oh did mut@chi got banned or something?


No I don't believe I did. I used quoted information from leafninja. In fact I also say don't use wikipedia, its too unreliable.

@darkshadow

well obviously the Byakugan itself doesn't have "insight" as does the Sharingan (call it cheating or whatever, doesn't change the fact that it does. Kakashi probably meant that the user with the Byakugan has more options and a Sharingan does.

note: I am using the definition of insight as the ability to discern the true nature of the "movement" of a ninja