Super-A Rank Missions

[poopdeville]

(Hi, I'm new here)

OK, so I've been going through the Destruction of Konoha arc again, and I noticed something odd. According to Kabuto's information cards, Naruto (and presumably Sasuke and Sakura) haven't had any A or B rank missions. Fair enough, they're Genin. But when Naruto and Sakura end up having to follow Sasuke and Gaara, Kakashi tells Sakura that it will will be a Super-A rank mission, just like the Country of the Wave mission.

It seems that mission records are more-or-less public, since no one batted an eye brow when Kabuto pulled those detailed cards out. I assume that Kabuto had access to all those records, since there was no doubting his affiliation before he revealed himself as a spy. So, assuming that Kabuto's cards agree with the official records... why didn't Kakashi stick up for Team Seven and tell Sandaime that the Wave mission was a Super-A rank?

[darkmetal505]

because it was a A Rank. He put "Super" for emphasis on how important it was. If you remember, the mission was originally a C rank (I think) because the grandpa was low on money and hired them just as escorts. They didnt know they would encounter Zabuza, Demon Brothers, Gato, and Haku, which, in turn, has the relevance of a A Rank mission. And I am pretty sure Kakashi says that. As for Kabuto's cards, he would only have the official recordings wouldnt he (the C rank mission)?

[poopdeville]

I think you misunderstood my question. My question is: Why didn't Kakashi tell Sandaime about Zabuza and that the mission was Super A Rank? And if he did, why weren't the records officially changed to reflect the fact that the mission was a Super A Rank?

[Husse]

Proboply becuse it wasent an A-rank mission on the paper so to speak.

[Uberbaka]

If it was Super-A it would have been Super-A.. err.. Expensive... Wasn't that the reason in the first place that the guy just called it a C?

So I think they just left it out so other poor countries wouldn't catch on and leech off konoha's ninjas.

[kooshi]

If Kakashi reported it as an A-mission, then Konoha would've probably forced Tazuna to pay the rest.

[Necromas]

Originally posted by: kooshi
If Kakashi reported it as an A-mission, then Konoha would've probably forced Tazuna to pay the rest.

Thank you captian obvious, apparently you are needed here.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

And kabuto had those info cards because hes cool and they were given to him for something he did, its supposed help the guys who fail the chuunin exam or some shit so they have info on their opponents. idk suck a ball

[heero]

Why the hell is this significant? Who the hell cares what appears on Kabuto's cards...

[darkmetal505]

Originally posted by: heero
Why the hell is this significant? Who the hell cares what appears on Kabuto's cards...


agreed, this really doesnt matter

[Tubocass]

If I'm not mistaken, once Kakashi realized grandpa was lyeing, the could have just left him. BUT they choose to continue of their own free will, for free. If they'd told the Third, grandpa would/ve been hunted down or something.


Why does any of this matter?

[XanBcoo]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
because it was a A Rank. He put "Super" for emphasis on how important it was.

Game. Set. Match.

[poopdeville]

Because it might foreshadow some of the later plot. It seems like a mighty big coincidence that Zabuza was leaving the Hidden Village of Mist just as Orochimaru shows up to watch the Kayuga clan attack it. Especially considering that Zabuza was leaving because of his failed coup d'etat against Mizukage. Kishimoto has a track record of turning coincidences into plot points.

Ignore this post. Sorry. I didn't think I hit reply.

[XanBcoo]

All that has absolutely nothing to do with what Kakashi called the mission. You're not making sense.

Your original question has already been answered - The "super" was just for emphasis, and obviously Kakashi never told Sandaime about the Wave Country mission.

[poopdeville]

Originally posted by: Tubocass

Why does any of this matter?

I'm working on a theory.

It seems like a really big coincidence that Zabuza was leaving the Hidden Village of Mist just as Orochimaru was on his way to watch the Kaguya Clan attack it. Remember, Zabuza was leaving because of his failed coup d'etat. Could Orochimaru have pulled the strings to make a coup happen? This might even have been during his Akatsuki days (though someone correct me if I'm wrong), so maybe Akatsuki was behind the coup.

In any event, Kishimoto has a track record of turning coincidences into plot points.

[XanBcoo]

Orochimaru didn't start the coup, Zabuza did and he failed. You said that yourself twice.

This isn't filler, so everything doesn't have to involve some conspiracy with Orochimaru. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Interesting theory though. I would like to know what Orochimaru was doing at that villiage during that time. Perhaps he was just taking an evening stroll in his nice yellow kimono.

[heero]

Originally posted by: poopdeville


Originally posted by: Tubocass

Why does any of this matter?

I'm working on a theory.

It seems like a really big coincidence that Zabuza was leaving the Hidden Village of Mist just as Orochimaru was on his way to watch the Kaguya Clan attack it. Remember, Zabuza was leaving because of his failed coup d'etat. Could Orochimaru have pulled the strings to make a coup happen? This might even have been during his Akatsuki days (though someone correct me if I'm wrong), so maybe Akatsuki was behind the coup.

In any event, Kishimoto has a track record of turning coincidences into plot points.

I still dont see how this have anything to do with Kabuto's cards and Kakashi not telling Konoha about the A rank mission

[poopdeville]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Your original question has already been answered - The "super" was just for emphasis, and obviously Kakashi never told Sandaime about the Wave Country mission.

Maybe English isn't your first language, but in English, the word "super" means "greater than." So according to AonE's translation, the "super" was not just for emphasis but to denote that the mission was harder than A rank. And it's not obvious that Kakashi didn't tell Sandaime about the Wave Country mission. Kakashi would have to fill out paper work detailing what happened during the time he spent there. Team Seven spent something like a month in the Country of the Wave, but the mission was only supposed to be to escort Tazuna there. Kakashi would have had to account for the extra time, since I doubt that he has the authority to give himself vacations.

For the purposes of my question, I assumed that Kakashi didn't tell Sandaime. My question was why Kakashi didn't tell Sandaime about the Wave Country mission. Indeed, in my first ever post here, I asked:



why didn't Kakashi stick up for Team Seven and tell Sandaime that the Wave mission was a Super-A rank?

(You're all like children. Christ.)

Does Kakashi know something about Zabuza we don't? Did Kakashi tell Sandaime, who then decided to suppress it, about it? To what end? Let's suppose Kakashi told Sandaime about the Wave Country mission. Why wouldn't the difficulty be a part of the official record then? Perhaps Sandaime realized or found out that Orochimaru or Akatsuki was behind the failed coup d'etat and realized Orochimaru's plan to steal all of Konoha's Cheez Whiz flavored ramen would be thwarted if no mention of the Wave Country mission were made in the public records. Or maybe he just didn't want the Chuunins and Genins, who obviously have access to these records, to not know about Orochimaru and Akatsuki.

This is blindingly obvious to anyone over ten who's thought about this for more than a tenth of a second.

[darkmetal505]

one thing you should know, english isnt always as straightforward as you believe. If you really want to know why Kakashi didnt tell the 3rd (which is pointless to ask because nobody cares), go ask Kishimoto. There is no need to go and evaluate aspects of naruto this deeply.

^
"This is blindingly obvious to anyone over ten who's thought about this for more than a tenth of a second. "

[poopdeville]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Orochimaru didn't start the coup, Zabuza did and he failed. You said that yourself twice.

This isn't filler, so everything doesn't have to involve some conspiracy with Orochimaru.


OK, this is fair enough. Maybe I've been thinking about this arc too much. But I remember Orochimaru telling Sandaime that he likes to see "things moving." I know it was Zabuza who attempted to kill Mizukage, but maybe he had Orochimaru's support. This sort of drastic political change has Orochimaru's name written all over it, especially considering his fixation with making history.

[heero]

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
one thing you should know, english isnt always as straightforward as you believe. If you really want to know why Kakashi didnt tell the 3rd (which is pointless to ask because nobody cares), go ask Kishimoto. There is no need to go and evaluate aspects of naruto this deeply.

^
"This is blindingly obvious to anyone over ten who's thought about this for more than a tenth of a second. "

I totally agree. He's thinking way too deeply about an anime. If any of those things are important for the story, Im sure Kishimoto would tell us. But I'm pretty sure he's just making a big fuss about every little detail in an anime.

[XanBcoo]

poopdevil: You're also assuming that Kabuto's cards carry "official" records. There is a chance, greatly supported by the fact that he's a spy for Oro, that he gathered the info on those cards by himself or through an information network.

For your theory to make any sense you'd have to assume: 1.) That the villiages share information with eachother about missions and their participants (note, kabuto said he had info on every ninja from every villiage). 2.) That Kabuto collected all this official information legitmately, 3.) That Kakashi told the 3rd everything about the Wave Country mission, and 4.) That they decided to keep it covered up for whatever reason.

All of that seems like a bit of a stretch. I think you're looking too much into this.

Also, English is my first language. Your question is just really odd. Plus you just kinda sprung the whole Oro-coup theory up outta nowhere.

[Keno]

He obviously wants to try and make a discussion about a theory he has... If you (readers, not the ones who replied b4 me) dont have anything to contribute to the thread, then dont reply! There are a lot of thread killers in this forum. If nobody gives a damn about his theory, then maybe he will remain with 0 replies... That should make all haters happy.

I actually dont know what the hell he is talking about since I dont remember what happened long ago, but if someone finds it interesting, let them discuss it. Why not? Is it dumb?? Probably... Is it against the rules?? No.

[ChaosK]

oy la bamba.... that first saga was pretty much and introduction into the naruto world, the real story starts at the destruction of konoha. the wave mission built up onto the ninja's techniques (for the sake of the future to come, chidori had to be shown, sasuke had to gain a sharingan and naruto had to go crazy kyubi...and also sakura had to whine like a bitch)

you never know if kakashi told the 3rd hokage. even if he did, the mission's over and they probably didnt want to go hunt down a guy for extra money the town doesnt have. what are they going to do? go back in time and prevent themselves from helping? team 7 did their mission which was protecting tazuma from theives, the 2nd part was off the book. kakashi said it was a "super-a mission" to express how careful they should be. this mission was also off the books because besides for pakkun and sasuke, nobody knew that naruto saved everybody and if you add sakura in there nobody else knew that this was a mission, missions are normally assigned by the hokage. this mission was assigned by kakashi.-therefore this mission isnt official.

[XanBcoo]

lol...oy la bamba...

this case is super-closed.

[Vokalyzd Harmony]

poopdevil: no offense but your question really didn't make sense at first. I was a bit confused reading it and secondly, I think you're too paranoid/reading too much into the whole thing..let's just bitch and moan about fillers..it's less frustrating that way

[Assertn]

why are you guys still arguing this?

as stated earlier in this topic.....the reason kakashi didn't tell the hokage that it was a super A mission is because it was officially recorded as a C mission by tazuna. A missions are too expensive, so therefore it was kept a secret. The only people from konoha who knew about the zabuza fight even up to now is Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, and Kakashi.

[Psyke]

Originally posted by: poopdeville


Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Your original question has already been answered - The "super" was just for emphasis, and obviously Kakashi never told Sandaime about the Wave Country mission.

Maybe English isn't your first language, but in English, the word "super" means "greater than." So according to AonE's translation, the "super" was not just for emphasis but to denote that the mission was harder than A rank.

I'm not sure if anyone you realise this, but the reason why the mission was called a "Super A rank mission" was that Tazuna had this irritating habit of putting the word "chou" (super) in front of every sentence he made. Thus came the expression of "Super A rank". Go check if you don't believe me.

[poopdeville]

Thank you for that tidbit. I had no idea. :-)

Now really, is that called for? No more senseless flaming.

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