Athrun VS Kira

[aznroyale]

I heard that some people say that Athrun is better than Kira, just that Athrun is much softer than Kira. So which is true? Athrun or Kira is better?

[PSJ]

Pretty equal but because Kira got Fukuda on his side he is the best. Hmm seriously though i'd say they are pretty equal maybe Kira got a slight edge.

[john_doe_107]

athrun..
best evidence
GS phase 44.
i say coz justice is a much pretty much a grunt suit (take out the subflight lifter)

[PSJ]

How the fuck can you call Justice a grunt suit without the sublfight lifter? Justice is a nuclearpowered melee combat suit. It got superior speed and weaponry to any normal suit and it got unlimited power. What is grunt about that?

Taking out the sublfight lifter makes it grunt eh? You can do that to all suits. Legend, take out the dragoons and it's no good. Freedom take out its railguns and shoulder beam cannons. Even with it taken out they are not grunt suits. You can't judge a suit by weaponry alone.

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

i think they are even but because kira is "god" he has a small advantage

[telemari]

Athrun!

damn, that double-edged sword is cool.

[Strike Freedom]

I believe this argument could go either way, depending on how one justifies it with proper evidence. However, in my opinion, I would say that they are on an equal level. I would probably say that Athuran's combat skills and experience are superior to Kira's, but Kira makes up for it with a slightly more powerful MS in that SF is a bit better than Infinite Justice. That is all i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[aznimperialx]

Its pretty much equal

[Deblas]

Okay. Lets see.

Strike Freedom is a long range type gundam with a variety of kick ass beams, chest cannons etc. Infinite Justice is a melee type gundam since tt has sabers practically coming out of his ass. So how do you gain the advantage against each other? Since SF is a long range type, he will have the advantage against IJ if he keeps a safe distance between the two. Since IJ is a melee type gundam then he won't be able to land a powerful hit or practically a hit. Now if IJ managed to get the SF on a close range combat, being a melee type then he would gain the advantage with the variety of close range weapons it has.

This of course is not considering the pilots skill. Its just common sense in a fight. To beat a long range fighter you get close to it. To beat a close range fighter you move away from it.

In terms of skill as pilots I have to say that Kira is more powerful. Yes, they both can go Seed at will. But story wise (even if you don't like it) Kira is also a newtype and the supposed Ultimate Coordinator. He became a natural at flying a Gundam while Athrun had to learn and discipline himself in the military to become the ace fighter known throughtout ZAFT.

Also. Don't make this a "Because Fukuda this and Fukuda that" thing. Keep it story wise.

[PSJ]

If we leave the suits out of it i think Kira got the slight edge because he is the ultimate coordinator and is supposed to have endless potential in everything, Rey also said during the investigation of Freedom that he completly mastered it however he doesn't got the military training that Athrun has, he don't know about military tactics and so on. Kira knows how to pilot a suit while Athrun goes a bit beyond that as he knows more about the whole battle situation, enemy formations etc. etc.

[drunkenmaster]

i say they are about the same. i mean kira and athurn have about the same skillz... however, kira's maximum potential probably slightly exceeds athurns. and as for the suits. 1v1 justice is a better suit cuz melee is more crucial in 1v1. howveer, justice doesnt really have crowd control against large amounts of grunts, which kira has. assuming they have exactly the same skills and fought, justice would win. i highly doubt athurn would get shot down by cannons.... cannons and guns can be dodged like crazy. if one gundam only had a gun and one only had a sword i think the sword one would win. kira also cant run forerver, because if he is running and shooting that means he needs to be going backwards while shooting (his railguns and shoulder cannons dont turn the other way). justice on the otherhand is going stright towards him, forward. i think going backwards is alittle slower than going forwards. now if freedom just ran and justice chased, it would be a test of bladder endurance, considering the chase could go on for days. but both suits are about just as good. think about it. justice and freedom were ment to accent eachother. one is insane range and draggons for crowd control. the other one is a sleek small number combat melee suit with beamswords up the wazzo. together, they are the perfect combo. kira=athurn and vice versa. freedom and justice are each good at their own thing.

what do you guys think about shin vs rey? i first thought shin would own rey, but after seeing rey take on kira hmmmm...

[addict4speed]

Originally posted by: drunkenmaster
what do you guys think about shin vs rey? i first thought shin would own rey, but after seeing rey take on kira hmmmm...

I'd say Shinn in seed mode can probably take down Rey, but w/o it, Rey might have an edge, especially if he can use the Dragoons.

[Phoenix20578]

Kira vs. Athrun, hmm. I'd have to say a tie as well. If anyone remembers their fight in SEED(Aile Strike vs. Ageis), that was about a tie, so it might be the same as then. Then again, Freedom and Justice are different from Sstrike and Ageis. All and all, a tie sounds like the most likely outcome.

[Kovash]

Becasue of Kira's refusal to kill anyone, the balance tips in favour of Athrun. Seriously, it';s a major flaw in Kira's combat abilities and something any sane or observant person can take advantage of (see the fight between Impulse and Godhood/Freedom)

[Splash!]

A question about IJ? Whats the deal with the gryphon leg blade. Its like a beam blade on the justice's legs. So are we gonna see Athrun disabling mobile suits by giving them karate kicks and cutting them up.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: splash
A question about IJ? Whats the deal with the gryphon leg blade. Its like a beam blade on the justice's legs. So are we gonna see Athrun disabling mobile suits by giving them karate kicks and cutting them up.

Sure. He already used it against Shinn's boomerang thing.

[Curium]

Originally posted by: splash
A question about IJ? Whats the deal with the gryphon leg blade. Its like a beam blade on the justice's legs. So are we gonna see Athrun disabling mobile suits by giving them karate kicks and cutting them up.

I don't know the answer to your question there, but in case you didn't notice, Athrun did use it to block Destiny's boomarang in episode 43.

[xat]

'Course this begs the question: Haro or Tori? i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

It's pretty even... I'd say that in space if Kira were to use the dragoon system he'd have a fairly good edge. We've seen them clash before though, and the result was a very deadly stalemate (I think someone argued at one point that the only reason Kira survived was because he was lucky someone was around to find him).

[FelixZeroAlastor]

Even if Kira has dragoon, Athrun has more reflecting potential with all those beam sabers. In terms of long range combat Kira wins. In terms of short range Athrun owns Kira. In other words stalemate cause if one goes they take the other with them.

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
Even if Kira has dragoon, Athrun has more reflecting potential with all those beam sabers. In terms of long range combat Kira wins. In terms of short range Athrun owns Kira. In other words stalemate cause if one goes they take the other with them.

So what if both are put in a ZAKU with one beam rifle and one Axe thingy each?

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: PSJ


Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
Even if Kira has dragoon, Athrun has more reflecting potential with all those beam sabers. In terms of long range combat Kira wins. In terms of short range Athrun owns Kira. In other words stalemate cause if one goes they take the other with them.

So what if both are put in a ZAKU with one beam rifle and one Axe thingy each?

Kira will have the advantage. Him being the ultimate coordinator and all. Which is a pretty big deal.

[drunkenmaster]

he might be the ultiment coordinator, but athurn always seems just as good as kira nd kira as good as athurn. him having the title wont help him chop off more arms. kira lacks military training which holds him back(since he was designed to fight and kill). a true fight would be a fist fight. i think athurn would win because he is 2 kilos heavier, looks alittle buffer, and just to me seems like a better fighter, remember his escape from zaft where he owned a bunch of dudes empty handed? he was awsome in the first gundam seed where he owned cagali with a knife when she had a gun. kira to me imo just seems too puny to fist fight. athurn is more trained that way.i would want the final battle to be a fist fight between shin and athurn and a fist fight between rey and kira. (lol jk but fist fight in gundam seed would be pretty sweet. imagine if they went berzerker lmao like crazy fast punching skillz). but we all know in a fist fight friggin cagali would pzone them all. she punches hard! yzak looks like a good fighter considering he is a manly man.

[PSJ]

First of 2 kilos doesn't make much diffrence in a fist fight and even if you are a little buffer you won't always win. Athrun is probably better than Kira at fist fighting but not because he is 2 kilos heavier.

[drunkenmaster]

yah but heavier and buffer is just an advantage i pointed out. note i also talked about the military training.

i want there to be a first fight lol. before yuna died, watching him getting punched around was friggin halarious. for all we know, the chairman could be like a level 5000 black belt in like kung fu ;p.

[Motteh]

even if you spend more time in the gym to train your muscles, it's no use to be able to punch hard if you're not able to hit a nimble fastmoving oponent
it's not always the strongest that wins i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[dark_]

well i wld say they r pretty much equal but fighting wise i wld say kira n plannin n other stuff has got to be athrun...

[FelixZeroAlastor]

Athrun wins cause Kira aims to disable and by now I am pretty sure that Athrun knows where Kira would strike him. Unless Kira was to abandon his no-kill policy he has no chance cause athrun will slice him up.

[PSJ]

Athrun does also have a no kill policy.

[aznimperialx]

thats cool. A No KILLING POLICY fight. Who ever disables who wins!