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[weakest anbu]

http://s47.yousendit.com/d.asp...5TVMV7F2HN0K3VTKEVJSLN (http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3AZ5TVMV7F2HN0K3VTKEVJSLN) new host... dont rape this thx.

tight~

ahahah deidara I LOVE YOU~~~

[Flaps]

link seems to be down here i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif

[Mut]

Whew, I thought it was just me cuz I'm on a shitty mac and the damn zip file wouldn't open.

[[]v[]anchurian_Candidate]

Here (http://www.naruto-online.nl/media.php?id=manga) they have it i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Have fun

[Knives122]

prett cool ch.

-akatsuki disappear
-team gai(and Kakashi) puts on some strange neck thing, that I guess helps them either communicate with each other or find the tags for the barrier
-Sakura punches the rock
-Strange clone people rise from the ground infront of Neji, Lee, and TenTen(and maybe Gai as well)(probably Zetsu doing stuff)
-Deidara and Sasori are right behind the rock, with a Chocobo no less
-and Naruto goes Kyuubi once again

like I said good chapter.

[Terracosmo]

Deidara is so fucking cool, I mean seriously... he beat Gaara senseless, he rides a chocobo-looking thing, and you need only look at his face to understand that he'll fucking tear you apart. Also, his voice is badass. At this pace I'll throw out Kimimaro on the street and convert to Deidara-ism.

*wants translation*

Also, I wonder if we'll even see the rest of the akatsuki during this arc...

[Assertn]

hmm.....interesting.......
not much to say until the translation though

on a side note, i just thought of something from a few chapters ago........
The whole thing with the akatsuki being able to take form in another person's body is BS for kisame
If itachi couldn't use mangekyou through another body, then kisame's sword shouldnt be able to do the stuff it did either. According to kisame, the samehada accepts nobody but him...which in a way makes it like itachi's mangekyou. In any case, are we to assume the samehada was a clone, or did it just leave the battlefield and returned to kisame after the fight?

[LobsterMagnet]

DAMN YOU KISHIMOTO. This is horrible. It really feels like a bait and switch with all of the fricking buildup and false climaxes. I really do think we need to pool money to go to japan kidnap kishimoto and force him to produce chapters at quicker rate. Or maybe I'm just really frustrated with the whole 19 pages a week format. I'm guessing that those evil clones of neji, tenten, and guy are probably from Zetsu. Makes sense since he's got the whole light/dark ying/yang thing going for him. Well not it's time to play the waiting game once more. Ah waiting game sucks lets play hungry hungry hippos.

[Sidnne]

Can't wait to see a translation on this, it looks like an interesting chapter.

It appears Neji either developed a new technique with the Byakuugan or he drastically increased his radius to be able to see all of those seals.
I'm curious to see what lame thing Naruto had to say in the last page. Everytime we get a raw scan we see Naruto get angry and yell something and it looks like he might have said something cool, but then when we get the translation it turns out to be something lame and disappointing.

[Lefty]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
on a side note, i just thought of something from a few chapters ago........
The whole thing with the akatsuki being able to take form in another person's body is BS for kisame
If itachi couldn't use mangekyou through another body, then kisame's sword shouldnt be able to do the stuff it did either. According to kisame, the samehada accepts nobody but him...which in a way makes it like itachi's mangekyou. In any case, are we to assume the samehada was a clone, or did it just leave the battlefield and returned to kisame after the fight?

That Jutsu they used creats an exact copy of them to the point where it is them for better or worse. So yes Samehada would listen to that Kisame copy becasue for the most part it was Kisame. It most likly left the battle field when the fight was done. He might have a teleportaion jutsu hidden somewhere on it for just an occasion like this.

[weakest anbu]

Originally posted by: LobsterMagnet
DAMN YOU KISHIMOTO. This is horrible. It really feels like a bait and switch with all of the fricking buildup and false climaxes. I really do think we need to pool money to go to japan kidnap kishimoto and force him to produce chapters at quicker rate. Or maybe I'm just really frustrated with the whole 19 pages a week format. I'm guessing that those evil clones of neji, tenten, and guy are probably from Zetsu. Makes sense since he's got the whole light/dark ying/yang thing going for him. Well not it's time to play the waiting game once more. Ah waiting game sucks lets play hungry hungry hippos.

this chapter is not that bad if you compare it to the last one. At least we get to see deidara sitting ontop of gaara with his "i dont give a fuck if hes a kazekage" expression.

[LobsterMagnet]

There are only three things that can appease me at this point.

A. Backstory/ flashback on either deidara or sasori.

B. Naruto whips out some new original jutsu.

C. Naruto uses the long awaited "that jutsu" Jiraiya warned him about.

I'm hoping we'll get to see a bit of option B and A but more likely we'll see naruto give some sort of angry expression reflect on the differences between him and Garra then throw a few rasengans. Then of course we'll flip over to see gai and company fighting their evil clones.

[Honoko]

so ninja teamwork is now reduced to "let's pull off stickers at the same time" and then *punch* =P sheesh. darn u, kishimoto, and ur stalling tactics!

[RasenDori]

reasons why deidara rocks:

1) hes an artist
2) he nuked the sand
3) he/she's sexuallay ambiguous
4) he makes things go boom
5) he rides giant birds
6) hes a final fantasy fan

man... im almost ready to have him replace neji as my favorit character!

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: RasenDori
reasons why deidara rocks:

1) hes an artist
2) he nuked the sand
3) he/she's sexuallay ambiguous
4) he makes things go boom
5) he rides giant birds
6) hes a final fantasy fan

man... im almost ready to have him replace neji as my favorit character!

Damn, I could have wrote this. Seriously. My thoughts exactly.

...in order to replace Neji he'll have to do something completely over the top though. Kill Sakura perhaps?

[Knives122]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo


Originally posted by: RasenDori
reasons why deidara rocks:

1) hes an artist
2) he nuked the sand
3) he/she's sexuallay ambiguous
4) he makes things go boom
5) he rides giant birds
6) hes a final fantasy fan

man... im almost ready to have him replace neji as my favorit character!

Damn, I could have wrote this. Seriously. My thoughts exactly.

...in order to replace Neji he'll have to do something completely over the top though. Kill Sakura perhaps?

in order to replace Neji, he'll need to be able to turn everyone into little clay dolls and use voodoo on them

[Franggio]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo


Originally posted by: RasenDori
reasons why deidara rocks:

1) hes an artist
2) he nuked the sand
3) he/she's sexuallay ambiguous
4) he makes things go boom
5) he rides giant birds
6) hes a final fantasy fan

man... im almost ready to have him replace neji as my favorit character!

Damn, I could have wrote this. Seriously. My thoughts exactly.

...in order to replace Neji he'll have to do something completely over the top though. Kill Sakura perhaps?


Ahh, that killing Sakura part was the best ever, all thats left is for Naruto to kill "accidently" kill sasuke with the center leg attack ala Kotaro Makirataro

[RasenDori]

in order to replace neji he would have to... completely own team 7... which might just happen

[JusDaMan]

Chapter 263 Translation Credited to iwanin

263: A furious cry! (lit. be furious in a loud voice/out loud).

In the palm of his hand, a tiny mouth snaps open ... spouting forth murderous works of art. Iwagakure's genius, Deidara, with Akatsuki.

Page 2.

Konoha's arrival - while within the grotto...

Akatsuki's leader: Sasori and Deidara will dispose of the people outside.

Akatsuki's leader: That said, I want the jinchuuriki alive.

Akatsuki's leader: The rest of you will scatter.

Sasori: Itachi...

Sasori: The kyuubi's jinchuuriki - what does he look like? (lit. what sort of guy/bastard is he?)

Akatsuki's leader: You will tell him now.

Page 3.

Itachi: The one who'll utter a furious cry and come at you at the very outset - that'll be him. (note, grammatically, "that'll be he", but it sounds kind unnatural).

Sasori: Eh? What do you mean?

Deidara: He doesn't have a more defining feature, Ummm?

Sasori: 'tch...

Page 4.

Akatsuki's leader: I'll be waiting to hear from you.

Page 5.

Pakkun: Well, I should probably be going now. Even if I don't get in the way I won't be much use, you know.

Kakashi: Good job, Pakkun.

Gai: Yooshi! First we get rid of that barrier, right Kakashi!

Gai: How do we go about?

Kakashi: This gofuukekkai was made by putting five "kin" ([entrance] forbidden) tags into place in five points in sorrounding area.

Page 6.

Kakashi: There are four other "kin" tags in different spots besides the one you see here.

Kakashi: The barrier won't disappear until we remove them all.

Naruto: So where are they, the four other tags?

Kakashi: Neji-kun, if you will.

Neji: Yes, I know.

(guess what?) Byakugan!

Page 8.

Neji: Found them.

Neji: Directly northeast, on top of a rock around 500 meters from here.

Neji: To the southeast, 350 meters, on a tree trunk rising from a river bed.

Neji: To the northwest, stuck to a cliffside 650 meters from here.

Neji: And at the center of a small groove, around 800 meters southwest.

Page 9.

Gai: Yoshi! At that distance we can use radio frequency! (lit. wireless communication).

Gai: We'll follow Neji's instructions while keeping each other posted and find those tags!

Tenten: Wireless transmitter settings ready.

Gai: When it comes to speed my team's faster!

Gai: The frequency's 174! We'll wait for you to notify us!

Page 10.

Kakashi: We're counting on you..

Gai: Team Gai! Go forth! The full power of youth! San*!

* expression Ninjas use when they're going to split up. It means "disperse".

Naruto: Gaara...

Page 10.

Neji: A bit further to the south, Lee.

Lee: Ok! Found it!

Tenten: Found it here too!

Gai: Yoshi, everyone! Peel off the tags!

Page 11.

Kakashi: We're going in with a buttonhook* entry! (*see further down in the discussion).

Kakashi: Sakura!

Sakura: Got it!

Page 13.

Gai: Seems to have gone well enough.

Gai: Neji...

Neji: Yeah, I'm seeing it here too.

Page 14.

Tenten: What is this?

Lee: A trap set by our enemies, most likely.

Gai: I see now... Looks like it's set up so that even if the barrier's dispelled, the trap activates and impedes the intruder's progress.

Neji: So you break up the four man team and divert each. The barrier comes meticulously insured ... these guys are no ordinary foe.

Page 16.

Kakashi (reflections): Are we too late?

Chiyo (reflections): Sasori ...

Page 17.

Deidara: Well then! I wonder which one the jinchuuriki is... ummm!

Page 18.

Naruto: You bastards!

Naruto: I'll beat you to a pulp!

Sasori: That one ...?

Deidara: Sure looks, that way, doesn't it? ... Ummm!

Rage! A furious cry! His friend completely changed ... An irrepressible emotion spurs Naruto's into action!

Next time: A violent clash!

[ChaosK]

haha, thanks for translation, page 18 funny. Sasori and Deidara sarcasm!

[Terracosmo]

Good stuff. Can't wait to see Deidara blow Naruto up next week.

[ChaosK]

of course some kyubi power will come in resulting in naruto healing his broken bones and then using rasnaegan on everybody in sight (wouldnt it be cooler if naruto could throw the rasnaegan? it seems like a attack that could be dodged pretty easily, especially when he used it)

[Mut]

I wanna see people get fucked up.

FIGHT DAMMIT

[The Heretic Azazel]

No shit. Team Konoha vs. the giant boulder has gone on long enough.

[kAi]

oo nice chapter, opefully we'll get some action next week.

heh, It's cool that Gai's team are going to be fighting themselves.

[ChaosK]

if we're going to ahve to watch the gai team fight next week i hope we see what tenten can acctually do now, since the beginning i doubted her because it seemed all she did was throw weapons a bunch at a time and a lot...we've seen itachi do that.

[kAi]

Well, comsidering she is a weapon specialist, most of her techniques will revolve around them, I think we'll be seeing more of that from her.

but I'm with you, that we'll be seeing Gai's team fight first, maybe it'll start with some dialogue with Naruto and co, but most of the fighting we'll see, will be from Gai's team.

[ChaosK]

what i meant was, weapons obviously are not enough against most shinobi...even naruto only gets hit by them once in a while, yet her whole entire fighting style revolves around them. We've seen that punches seem to do more damage to people than sticking a kunai into them

[Roko]

but she can make her weapons go 'boom', stickin not only one kunai, but multiple ones...along with those sickles and kitchen knifes and whatnot

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
what i meant was, weapons obviously are not enough against most shinobi...even naruto only gets hit by them once in a while, yet her whole entire fighting style revolves around them. We've seen that punches seem to do more damage to people than sticking a kunai into them


That's not necessarily true. It's kind of like saying taijutsu alone isn't enough against most shinobi, but you've seen gai and lee fight, both taijutsu specialists, and inneffective isn't really the word to describe them. So maybe tenten got better and learned some cool new moves and will show off some cool new weapons, boosting her effectiveness to a point that she's actually a force to be reckoned with.

That being said, I doubt it. People seem to be expecting too much of too many characters that clearly don't matter and probably never will. Ten Ten is just one of those support roles, not only story wise but fighting wise. I doubt she'll ever be a contender in a one on one fight against someone who's actually badass. As a group member, she'll probably make good support. But that's it.

[elmojo]

i think sasori is stronger than diedra
i have a feeling sasori might betray akatsuki

[Honoko]

shannaro's LQ out-- but it's using the translation by iwanin or whoever that was posted here.

as for team gai's split up, i guess it's just kishimoto's way of showing off more of their abilities-- does anyone think that any one of those 4'll lose?

[nests]

Man I just realize that Deidara is sitting on gaara talk about insulting but I guess since he was the one who beat him he should be able to. for some reason he is staring to become one of my favorite characters

[Y]

More Itachi speculation openings in this chapter:

Why couldn't Itachi describe what Naruto looked like?

[drcitan]

Originally posted by: Y
More Itachi speculation openings in this chapter:

Why couldn't Itachi describe what Naruto looked like?


Its not that he could'nt describe Naruto's features but rather he didn't what to because Naruto is his target. Describing Naruto behavior was the best way to single him out since he lashes out a lot when hes angry.

[Dezalanel]

I think he does not want Sasori "stealing" his jinchuuriki from him. Something like that. He did not tell them till the leader made Itachi tell him and even then he gave a vague description(but good since that is exactly what Naruto does lol)

[Assertn]

i think kishimoto had itachi describe naruto the way he did just because it made for more amusing dialogue i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Y]

Originally posted by: Dezalanel
I think he does not want Sasori "stealing" his jinchuuriki from him. Something like that. He did not tell them till the leader made Itachi tell him and even then he gave a vague description(but good since that is exactly what Naruto does lol)

You mentioned the reason that you're wrong - his description, though vague, tells them exactly who Naruto is, just not visually. If he were trying to keep Sasori from getting his target, wouldn't he have given bad info?

Assertn's possibility would just be weird. Comedy Akatsuki moments?

[Sidnne]

Itachi seems to resent that Sasori has an oppurtunity to gank the Kyuubi. There seems to be some bad blood between them because of it. I wouldn't be surprised now if Deidara and Sasori were kicking the hell out of Konoha and Itachi showed up and killed Sasori just to stop him from getting the Kyuubi.

[Honoko]

but i think it's weird just how much insight itachi actually has to naruto's personality in how specific he was. itachi probably could've said, "the noisiest kid in the bunch" and still would've been right superficially, since that's what any dumbass could pick up when he/she encounters naruto for the first time.

but itachi points out that this kid will be passionate and will be quick to react to the scene. he seems to kno all about naruto's friendship with gaara and knows exactly what pushes his buttons.

personally, while the dialogue was amusing, i think it gave some insight into what good observational skills itachi has and how he can use that to anticipate his opponent.

[Terracosmo]

The whole idea of Itachi being "jealous" because Naruto is "his" jinchuuriki is pretty funny.

[kAi]

that's what I thought when I read this chapter, trying to keep him to himself, heh.

[basey44]

maybe oro's not the only one who like to keep little boys for himself

[ChaosK]

EESH! that wouldnt be a pretty sight. I think itachi might not know what naruto looks like anymore, after all he COULD'VE changed appearences.

[LobsterMagnet]

The opening dialogue is not something that was designed to fuel speculation. It's simply a humerous anecdote about how predictable naruto's behavior is. I don't think that the atsuki have internal rivalry about who gets which demon. They are all getting their demons in order to achieve a far larger goal, so something as petty as "My demon is bigger then your demon" should not ben an issue.

[Assertn]

Originally posted by: Y
Assertn's possibility would just be weird. Comedy Akatsuki moments?

i dunno if it would be THAT weird.....

at least no weirder than the Comedy Zabuza/Haku/Kakashi/Sasuke moment when they were all referring to naruto as the #1 show-offy loudest hyperactive Ninja

besides, its just another way for Naruto to be taken lightly

[RasenDori]

yeah... it would be awsome if the akatsuki were total goof balls like the genei ryodan of hunterxhunter

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: LobsterMagnet
The opening dialogue is not something that was designed to fuel speculation. It's simply a humerous anecdote about how predictable naruto's behavior is. I don't think that the atsuki have internal rivalry about who gets which demon. They are all getting their demons in order to achieve a far larger goal, so something as petty as "My demon is bigger then your demon" should not ben an issue.

haha i just had to laugh at that last sentance because i go onto IRC and joker is trying to get some1.

[Dezalanel]

Originally posted by: LobsterMagnet
The opening dialogue is not something that was designed to fuel speculation. It's simply a humerous anecdote about how predictable naruto's behavior is. I don't think that the atsuki have internal rivalry about who gets which demon. They are all getting their demons in order to achieve a far larger goal, so something as petty as "My demon is bigger then your demon" should not ben an issue.

I would not be surprized if a lot of people in Akatsuki are actually plotting against each other, Hell they are criminals after all. I do not think Itachi would be one to assume a lower position to the Akatsuki leader...if he ever had the chance I have a hunch he would try and take him out...or I could be completely wrong haha

[ChaosK]

he probably would, 1 example would be oro, he probably tried to take them all out, and when that didnt work tried to rape them.

[danholo]

I hope we're in for some Naruto action in the next chapter. I want to see if he has any new skills. Sakura too. I wouldn't be surprised if Kishimoto has the clone fights lined up first. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Assertn]

im going to take a guess that kyubi is the strongest of all the demons.....
in which case i can see why itachi would not be as willing to make a trade

[Marks]

In the first episode of the naruto anime they say it's the strongest.

[Kagemane_no_Jutsu]

If they show that mad fag clone fight before Naruto FINALLY fights a real Akatsuki, I'ma be pissed.

[Lefty]

I doubt it'll be another clone fight. They don't need to stall for time anymore. This is going to be the real deal.

[Prof. Chaos]

Makes sense for Itachi to be jealous cause Kyuubi is supposed to be the strongest of the deamons. More tails = more powerful.

[ChaosK]

that might not necessarily be true, i thought the shukaku was not THAT much weaker than the kyubi. Could it be the order they were created? 1tail-9tail.

[Death BOO Z]

actually, Gamabunta seemed confident in his ability to win over Shukau when they first fought, even when Gaara went 'all out' it appeared to me that Gamabunta was worried becuase he had a time limit, not becuse of a diifrence in power.

and we know that the frog isn't nearly as strong as the fox, so it might make sense that the fox is 9 times stronger than the tanuki.

plus, remember that with a fraction of Kyubi's power, Naruto was able to break free of Shukaku, so who knows?

[Marks]

It seems I was wrong, they didn't say it was the strongest in the first episode of the anime. Maybe it was during Narutos training with Jiraia before the chunnin finals. AH who cares! The Kyubi is wicked awesome anyway. Maybe more of the jinchuuriki eyes would have opened if they used the Kyubi.

Edit: I bet they had that jinchuuriki ready way back when they made their atempt to get Naruto. Then when Naruto went with Jiraia they decided to go after Gaara instead. I bet Itachi objected saying he could handle it anyway, but they still went for Gaara. And I think that's why they're messing with Itachi now.

[ChaosK]

hmm....why would they decide to go after garra instead of all the others? or is it just because kishimoto doesnt wanna introduce more characters.

[Masamune]

hmm cool trap on the tags being pulled. fighting against yourself will be hard.

[Assertn]

shukaku didnt fight kyubi
shukaku fought gamabunta, who at one point took the appearance of a fox

and shukaku wasnt really DEFEATED.....he was just sealed back away because naruto woke gaara up

[Sidnne]

Originally posted by: Marks
It seems I was wrong, they didn't say it was the strongest in the first episode of the anime. Maybe it was during Narutos training with Jiraia before the chunnin finals. AH who cares! The Kyubi is wicked awesome anyway. Maybe more of the jinchuuriki eyes would have opened if they used the Kyubi.

Edit: I bet they had that jinchuuriki ready way back when they made their atempt to get Naruto. Then when Naruto went with Jiraia they decided to go after Gaara instead. I bet Itachi objected saying he could handle it anyway, but they still went for Gaara. And I think that's why they're messing with Itachi now.


They said that Kyuubi was the strongest of the yoma during this arc. It was in one of the dialouges between Kakashi and Chiyo. I don't remember which chapter though. But it has also been implied throughout the series.



Originally posted by: Kagemane_no_Jutsu
If they show that mad fag clone fight before Naruto FINALLY fights a real Akatsuki, I'ma be pissed.

I have no doubt that we will be kept in suspense, waiting to see the actual Team 7 vs Akatsuki battle. I expect to see the next 2 chapters focus on Team Gai vs Evil Team Gai, with maybe 3 pages per chapter dedicated to Team 7 in the cave.
I would be very surprised if we got to see Naruto taking on Akatsuki before Team Gai defeats the clones. The best we can hope for is a 50/50 jumping back and forth between the battles, ala Oro vs 3rd/Gaara vs Naruto.

[Terracosmo]

I think the whole clone thing is "stupid", in the sense that it really feels like Kishimoto wants to buy time.
Fine, introduce mirror matches if you want... but please, just let Deidara kick some ass.

[Roko]

about the demon's power thing, I think the more tails they have, the stronger they are. Just a thought though, although it sorta makes sense. Since they say that the kyuubi could start earthquakes and such things by just flicking its tails. Perhaps the amount of tails determines how strong what a demon can do?

[The Heretic Azazel]

That would be just plain dumb.

[Lefty]

But fitting for Kishi. Most of what he does is pretty obvious. The Main character not haveing the strongest of the demons sealed away in him would be so unshonen. You get used to it and accept it for what it is. Just wait terra, all the waiting shall be repaid in full.

[Assertn]

there doesnt have to be a direct correlation between the demons' strength and the number of tails
i believe it was stated that kyubi is the strongest, but shukaku doesnt necessarily have to be the weakest

[Death BOO Z]

actually, there is a connection between the number of tails and the strentgh of the demon, at least there should be.
1. The demons are called 'tailed beasts' by Chiyo, meanning that the main emphatsis is on thier tail.
2. According to japanese mythology, the fox demon gains tails as he grows in age, and each tail addition represents the strenght he has.

if you read chapter 256 again, I believe it'll be a bit clearer for you, thought they don't say it directly.

[ChaosK]

so your saying the kyubi inside naruto will continue growing tails? that doesnt make sense.

[Honoko]

no, i think he's saying that the amount of tails a demon has signifies how much strength there is inside.

[Assertn]

256 made no reference to the difference in strength between the demons.......
only the difference in the number of tails

I'm familiar with the myth that a kyubi is stronger as it grows more tails, and that the 9th tail grants it immortality
But that is just a myth for the kyubi itself. Maybe 1 shukaku tail = 7 kyubi tails i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[RasenDori]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
I think the whole clone thing is "stupid", in the sense that it really feels like Kishimoto wants to buy time.
Fine, introduce mirror matches if you want... but please, just let Deidara kick some ass.

i think that kishimoto is completely wasting time... i mean the whole psuedo itachi/kisame fights were proff of that... 6 freckin chapters and not a damn thing happened to further the plot... hopefully we will get somewhere in the next chapter, and hopefully the mirror match wont be lame... who knows... maybe someone will lose and be replaced by the mirror version (most likely to be ten ten) but i doubt that will happen

[ChaosK]

acctually by doing that we were further able to see the skills of atakuski and also, the plot DID advance, as a result of the stalling, Garra's Shukaku was extracted from him.

[Death BOO Z]

then Kishimoto is pulling the same thing he's done with Kimimaru...

instead of actually providing us some answers to the real questions (akatsuki, demons and what not), he makes up a stupid rule and then wastes seven chapters pushing through that rule.

oh, and even after the fight between Sasori, deidara and the good guys, we'll be nowhere close to learnning anything new about anything, deidara will probably say poof and escape, Chiyo will kill Sasori and have a flashback death scene, and Sakura will save Gaara from his so called death. and again, we'll have to wait for a few more months to get any real information about something.

seriously, if we're gonna have a clone vs originial matches now i'm gonna burst, unless one of you believes that the clones have any chance to win over the real guys...

if kishimoto has a shard of respect left for his readers, then he'll end the clone fight in one page with 5 panels:
1. gai clone attacks
2. Neji gets hit by clone
3. Lee gets up and hits the clone
4. Tenten sticks alot of weapons into the clone and makes it go poof
5. Neji reports to Gai that he has taken care of his clone.

[Honoko]

after spending about 100 chapters just on sasuke's escape, do you really think kishimoto's suddenly gonna fast forward all the fights? i think if we're lucky, we'll see 2 fights per chapter. otherwise, i think kishi's gonna intersperse the whole sitch w/ naruto and co. w/ the clone fights (which are quite cliched, really =P)

well, whatever. we should be able to get a general idea of what direction kishimoto's gonna go in with this with the next chapter =P i'm guessing 3 or 4 more chapters of this. and that's being hopeful hahah

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
then Kishimoto is pulling the same thing he's done with Kimimaru...

instead of actually providing us some answers to the real questions (akatsuki, demons and what not), he makes up a stupid rule and then wastes seven chapters pushing through that rule.

oh, and even after the fight between Sasori, deidara and the good guys, we'll be nowhere close to learnning anything new about anything, deidara will probably say poof and escape, Chiyo will kill Sasori and have a flashback death scene, and Sakura will save Gaara from his so called death. and again, we'll have to wait for a few more months to get any real information about something.

seriously, if we're gonna have a clone vs originial matches now i'm gonna burst, unless one of you believes that the clones have any chance to win over the real guys...

if kishimoto has a shard of respect left for his readers, then he'll end the clone fight in one page with 5 panels:
1. gai clone attacks
2. Neji gets hit by clone
3. Lee gets up and hits the clone
4. Tenten sticks alot of weapons into the clone and makes it go poof
5. Neji reports to Gai that he has taken care of his clone.


I love how some people chalk up what they don't like about the current storylines to a disrespect Kishimoto has for his fans. It's his story, get over it.

[Assertn]

the point of having team gai fight the clones is so the fight in the cave will be 2v4 instead of 2v8

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: RasenDori


Originally posted by: Terracosmo
I think the whole clone thing is "stupid", in the sense that it really feels like Kishimoto wants to buy time.
Fine, introduce mirror matches if you want... but please, just let Deidara kick some ass.

i think that kishimoto is completely wasting time... i mean the whole psuedo itachi/kisame fights were proff of that... 6 freckin chapters and not a damn thing happened to further the plot... hopefully we will get somewhere in the next chapter, and hopefully the mirror match wont be lame... who knows... maybe someone will lose and be replaced by the mirror version (most likely to be ten ten) but i doubt that will happen


Come on guys. Not everything that gets put in the manga needs to push the plot foward. Somethings are there to promote a view/impression of people. For example, last time we saw the shark guy fight, he didn't do much, and it was hard to see why he was a member of akatsuki if they were supposed to be this group of mighty cosmobeings or whatever. Seeing a fight between him at 30% chakra and team guy, in which he managed to force Guy to pull out a trump card served to justify him as a member of akatsuki. The itachi vs. team kakashi fight served to demonstrate the true power of genjutsu and to show that itachi relies heavily on genjutsu. These are all good things to know and are not a waste of time.

Edit to below: Ok, maybe that too. But naruto being the king of all drama queens is something most of us are familiar with already.

[LobsterMagnet]

I actually thought the whole point of the Itachi vs. team seven fight was to show that naruto was carrying a heavy load of emotional baggage. Essentially we were shown that he has a tremedous amount of guilt that's built up over the past 2 1/2 years. It's a nice thing to see since it shows that naruto has become a more emotionally mature and more complicated character as opposed to being the simpleton we once knew. Now If only we could see him use some new jutsu.

[Honoko]

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
Seeing a fight between him at 30% chakra and team guy, in which he managed to force Guy to pull out a trump card served to justify him as a member of akatsuki.
Wait, I thought the manga said that kisame and itachi gave 30% of their chakra to the demon extraction and was therefore "fighting" the 2 konoha teams with 70%.

Ch 255, pg. 13 (http://www.narutochuushin.com/main.php?category=multimedia&page=manga/&subdir1=chapter255/&subdir2=chapter255_13)

[Lefty]

Thye were fighting with even less than that. The copies had a much more limited amount of chakra compaired to teh originals, very limited,

[dragon608608]

I didn't want to say it, but i guess it safe to say i told you so about the power of kyuubi. As i say before, "Kyuubi has a head and nine tails (doesn't calculate the fangs and claws because all demon has them, nothing special) that bring total of ten. As new level reach, more part of Kyuubi come out (like Garaa) and grants its User more different power." As far as we see, it indicates just that. At the beginning of series, when Naruto activated Kyuubi power, only the head came out and granted Naruto with super speed and strengh. When he fought with Sasuke, level two, a head first, then a fox with with one tail come out. Beside more strengh and speed, charka can move by its will and protect Naruto. The Kyuubi has the most tails; therefore, Kyuubi is the strongest or at least grants the most ability or power to its user. This is also explain why Itachi doesn't want Sasori to steal his Jinchuuriki (Naruto and they Kyuubi).

[Sidnne]

Originally posted by: dragon608608
I didn't want to say it, but i guess it safe to say i told you so about the power of kyuubi. As i say before, "Kyuubi has a head and nine tails (doesn't calculate the fangs and claws because all demon has them, nothing special) that bring total of ten. As new level reach, more part of Kyuubi come out (like Garaa) and grants its User more different power." As far as we see, it indicates just that. At the beginning of series, when Naruto activated Kyuubi power, only the head came out and granted Naruto with super speed and strengh. When he fought with Sasuke, level two, a head first, then a fox with with one tail come out. Beside more strengh and speed, charka can move by its will and protect Naruto. The Kyuubi has the most tails; therefore, Kyuubi is the strongest or at least grants the most ability or power to its user. This is also explain why Itachi doesn't want Sasori to steal his Jinchuuriki (Naruto and they Kyuubi).


You are the smartest person ever.

[The Heretic Azazel]

There is NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER that they want the tailed demons to seal inside themselves.

Jesus fucking Christ, that theory has been taken WAY too seriously.

[Sidnne]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
There is NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER that they want the tailed demons to seal inside themselves.

Jesus fucking Christ, that theory has been taken WAY too seriously.


Chapter 261, page 02:

Chiyo: "Without a doubt... they're extracting the bijuu as we speak!

With the ichibi, Shukaku, they most likely... intend to create a new jinchuuriki".


That is at least SOME indication that they intend to seal the demons inside of SOMETHING. Whether or not they want to seal it inside themselves still remains to be seen, but it is not hard to believe that they would want to seal them inside themselves nor would it be surprising. Its certainly concievable enough to not become angered when people mention it.

[basey44]

lol dont be silly, theyre not gonna seal the up, theyre like greenpeace FREE THE BIJUU and save the whales and such

[Guardian_2000]

Has anyone thought that the Kyuubi's regenerative healing would restore Itachi's eyes?

[RasenDori]

itachis not frecking blind

[Sidnne]

I think he was joking.

[Guardian_2000]

From what I've been reading I thought kakashi mentioned a detrimental side effect or asked a question previously about how his eyes were doing. Perhaps I'm mistaken.

[Y]

There's evidence for it. It certainly is still only an outlying possibility.

[Death BOO Z]

didn't Kakashi say the eye's getting weaker remark on the -not real - itachi?
i assumed that since it wasn't a real itachi it didn't have sharingan so obviously he didn't have good eyes... so i thought it was either kishimoto messing with our heads by making us argue about it, or just a plot line he decided to drop once he decided that this itachi was a clone...

[Uchiha Barles]

I'm pretty sure that the jutsu's used on the "clones" made them, in every respect the akatsuki members they were supposed to emulate. In every respect save one, the amount of available chakra. So the Itachi "clone" had the sharingan. If for some reason the sharingan was less effective than on the "clone" than on the original I would attribute it to difference in chakra between the "clone" and the original.

[Lefty]

I think the vision refrence goes to Itachi's normal vision.

[Hakeem_21]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
There is NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER that they want the tailed demons to seal inside themselves.

Jesus fucking Christ, that theory has been taken WAY too seriously.



So you think they are going trough all this trouble to give the demons to other people or to have them as pets or something....


It is clear as day that they want the the demons to be sealed inside them to become more powerful.

[Terracosmo]

@Azazel: Yes it's his story but we're the followers, without us he wouldn't have a story at all.

@Barles: Of course not everything has to rush the plot forward, but seriously, this is getting ridiculous. I didn't mind the Kimimaro-style stalling, but clones is just over-the-top.

[Hakeem_21]

I say if you wanna enjoy Naruto dont expect anything except some nice fights, i gave up on hoping that the story will get better a long time ago.

[American Hero]

Originally posted by: dragon608608
As i say before, "Kyuubi has a head and nine tails (doesn't calculate the fangs and claws because all demon has them, nothing special) that bring total of ten.

What the hell are you talking about?

"Don't count fangs and claws because all demons have them?" What about heads? Don't all the demons have heads, too?

If you're saying that each tail represents more strength, then alright; but one head plus nine tails equals ten?

[dragon608608]

American Hero. Does Kyubi's head look the same with the demon's head inside Garaa? They are not the same isn't it? The Kyuubi's head prepresent for the fox. That is why it was count as another part to bring it up to ten. However, if you insist it isn't, we can continue to watch the series to see how it turn out. I wouldn't mind.

[The Heretic Azazel]

^^^

What the hell are you talking about?

[Assertn]

i think he's referring to the Kyubi cock as the 10th tail

[dragon608608]

The Heretic Azazel, after reading two of your post, i have been wonder that are you really pay attention as watching or at least reading the Naruto Manga? Because you missing a lot of point. Why don't you watch the anime ep. 16 (at the end) and ep. 132- 134, read chapter 261to the recently carefully. Perhap you will know what i am talking about.

AssertnFailure, Please be carefull with the language. I repect that you posts a lot of comment, but that doesn't mean you can say "fool language". I say "fool language" because i don't think an education person will say it, and i believe you are an education person, honestly. I divide it the head and nine tail to ten parts because those evidence above. In addition, i believe that correct because most of people divide their strength to 100%. With ten part, that sounds like a good division to me, 10% per each part. However, if you have a better theory. I am more than happy to heard it.

[Assertn]

nobody understands you, dragon.......
why would someone count a creature's HEAD as one of his TAILS? It makes no sense.

And you say that counting the head makes it total to 10, which divides evenly into 100....
well what about the demon that has 8 tails? if you count HIS head, then that makes 9, which DOESNT divide into 100

[The Heretic Azazel]

Cock is foul language?

What about dick, penis, shaft, rod, etc?

[Mut]

dragon608608, you and your logic is fucking retarded.

[Sidnne]

I think he is trying to say that because the first transformation that Naruto underwent was in his facial features (His eyes turned red, his "whiskers" thickened, his teeth grew sharp, etc.) then that means that the head of Kyuubi is the first manifestation of its basic strength. Then when Naruto fought Sasuke he also gained one tail in addition to the facial features. And he is relating that to believing that each tail that he gains would give him more strength. Although his point about developing more tails is kind of a no-brainer and highly irrelevant, because we all know that Naruto will be more fox-like as he uses more of the Kyuubi chakra. But the number of tails is nothing more than symbolic artwork to display that Naruto is using the chakra and growing stronger as a result. Every anime has this, where the characters will have a brighter, wider, aura so that the viewers can visibly see how much strength the character has and/or is using.

As far as the head counting as a tail to equal ten and all of that crap... It is a stupid argument. Like American Hero said, all of the demons have heads, so why should Kyuubi's head be more special and count as a tail? Dragon should take his own advice and watch the series more closely and he would see why his argument is incorrect. The answer is Gaara. When Gaara began his tansformation into Shukaku the first thing that transformed was his arm, NOT his head. Dragon's argument goes out the window right there. Or are we to believe then, that the demon's arm should also count as a tail? No, I think not. In fact, his head was the LAST part to transform. So the head of the demon has nothing to do with its power.

Its a stupid theory and a stupid argument that he has no real base for making and the attempt to justify by saying that its true because it divides into 100 makes it even stupider for the reasons that Assertn stated.

[Death BOO Z]

let me get this argument straight, dragon 608608 thinks that the kyubi has 10 tails?
that's about as stupid as saying that a 'red crow' (this isn't a real animal) is green.

Kyuubi comes from two words.
Kyu - 9, and the 'bi' comes from the word tail, as presented in Bijiyu.
so basically, the nine tails demon has nine tails.
I think this should set the argument stragiht, unless of course, i didn't understand what you were disscussing about.

[The Heretic Azazel]

I don't think anyone understands this "discussion"

[dragon608608]

I didn't say Kyuubi has 10 tails. I said and continue to say it has 9 tails, please read my post in pages 5. My prediction base main on what happen in anime and manga. Let's look at Naruto anime ep. 17! is isn't it charka take form of Kyuubi head? Let's look at Naruto anime ep. 132-134. isn't Naruto activate Naruto power when Sasuke wrap his neck? Then he activate level two, and the charka take form of a one tail fox? Base on this, I predict that the next level perhap will be a fox with two tail, next will be 3 until it reach 9. There will be total of 10 transformations or 10 levels. That is what i try to predict.

"At each new level reach, Kyuubi will grant its user (Jinchuuriki) different power."

why? Naruto's Kyuubi level one, he got the healing power, some speed and strength. Naruto's Kyuubi's level two, Naruto got faster and stronger, he also gain a self moving charka that protect him as well as attack enemy.

The Kyuubi has most tails, most transformation. Therefore, it will grant its user the most different abilities, or power. This theory, perhap, is enough to explains why Itachi doesn't want Sasori to steal his Jinchuuriki. I mean there are enough demon for all member, but why Itachi pay too much attention on Kyuubi that he doesn't want to tell anything about Naruto to Sasori until the leader command him too. That is what i try to say. However, i didn't say it was 100% correct. Perhap, i am wrong. However, for now, it is the best theory to me because it connects everything together.

If you have a different theory or two, i am more than happy to listen. Then, we can continue to observe the series and continue to update and share our theory.

[Sidnne]

Its hard to understand what he is trying to say because English obviously isn't his first language, nor is he very good at it. So he is having trouble getting his point accross in writing. I understand what he is trying to say, but its still stupid.

He doesn't mean that the head is a tail. When he is talking about "tails" he means appendages. He is trying to say that the head and the tails are appendages, which manifest themselves as a form strength. Meaning that each time Naruto reaches a new level of "Kyuubi Strength", he will develope a new appendage.
In other words, he is trying to explain the Kyuubi chakra in levels and each level has a different number of appendages to represent it, with a total of 10 levels:
Level 1 Kyuubi Naruto = Head
Level 2 Kyuubi Naruto = One Tail
Level 3 Kyuubi Naruto = Two Tails
Level 4 Kyuubi Naruto = Three Tails
Level 5 Kyuubi Naruto = Four Tails
and so on, until Naruto has maxed out the Kyuubi chakra and level 10 and he will have all 9 tails visible and likely take the appearance of the fox itself.

For the most part, that is true, but its something that we all know already, especially those of us who have watched other anime (DBZ anyone?) So like I said before, its a no-brainer and completely irrelevant and hardly worth bragging about that he "told us so"

Where he lost everyone was by calling the head a "tail" and saying that Kyuubi has 10 tails. But his theory on the demon's heads is stupid and proven wrong by the fact that the Shukaku head did not manifest in Gaara until he was almost completey transformed.

[weakest anbu]

theres no level 10 or even level 9 kyuubi mode. think about it... in lvl 2 the chakra is already destroying naruto's body. If naruto goes lvl9 kyuubi, his body will burn to ashes instantly.

[Assertn]

I highly doubt there will be 10 different levels of transformation for naruto

considering how long it took to reach 2 levels, that would just be ridiculous

[The Heretic Azazel]

I don't really see how it destroyed his body, though one might surmise that his body couldn't handle 9 or 10 or whatever transformations since the first two alone jacked him up so much.

Also on the Kyuubi/Shukaku thing, that's a little different. They're both possessed by monsters but Naruto hasn't, at least not yet, had physical features of the Kyuubi (he controls his chakra but doesn't turn into the actual monster) whereas Gaara's is more of a transformation into the Shukaku and then is taken over by it.. and it commonly has a physical form, since it transforms monthly.

[Sidnne]

Yeah, it is a little different, but its not really too much different though. Gaara has full use of Shukaku because he was designed to be a weapon while Naruto is still just learning about Kyuubi because it was meant to be kept a secret. If Naruto had been trained and developed to use the Kyuubi from birth, then he may have the same type of subordination that Gaara has with Shukaku. We have seen Naruto transform slightly, mostly his facial features. He transformed slightly more when he fought Sasuke as far as his nails growing longer as well as his body contorting to being on all fours. But that is likely to be the extent of his transformations. I don't really think that he will actually "transform" because his actual body stays human, he just has an aura which took the form of the fox. So if anything were to actually transform about Naruto, it would be that aura and not his body.

As far as the 10 lvls thing...
There will be various strengths reached by Naruto as he is able to release more of the chakra, and the red aura around him will represent that by being bigger and glowing brighter. We know this already, we've seen it in the series already. So I'm not sure why dragon thinks he has a ground breaking new theory. Just because there are that many tails doesn't mean each one is a stage. We have already seen Naruto use different levels of the kyuubi chakra with varying facial features and chakra auras. For Dragon to assume that the facial features = Kyuubi lvl 1 is a bit rediculous since it can be argued that the facial feature changes have already represented 2-3 varying lvls of Kyuubi's strength. There won't be 10 stages, or nine, and there won't be any stated definitive stages at all.

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: dragon608608
I didn't say Kyuubi has 10 tails. I said and continue to say it has 9 tails, please read my post in pages 5. My prediction base main on what happen in anime and manga. Let's look at Naruto anime ep. 17! is isn't it charka take form of Kyuubi head? Let's look at Naruto anime ep. 132-134. isn't Naruto activate Naruto power when Sasuke wrap his neck? Then he activate level two, and the charka take form of a one tail fox? Base on this, I predict that the next level perhap will be a fox with two tail, next will be 3 until it reach 9. There will be total of 10 transformations or 10 levels. That is what i try to predict.

"At each new level reach, Kyuubi will grant its user (Jinchuuriki) different power."

why? Naruto's Kyuubi level one, he got the healing power, some speed and strength. Naruto's Kyuubi's level two, Naruto got faster and stronger, he also gain a self moving charka that protect him as well as attack enemy.

The Kyuubi has most tails, most transformation. Therefore, it will grant its user the most different abilities, or power. This theory, perhap, is enough to explains why Itachi doesn't want Sasori to steal his Jinchuuriki. I mean there are enough demon for all member, but why Itachi pay too much attention on Kyuubi that he doesn't want to tell anything about Naruto to Sasori until the leader command him too. That is what i try to say. However, i didn't say it was 100% correct. Perhap, i am wrong. However, for now, it is the best theory to me because it connects everything together.

If you have a different theory or two, i am more than happy to listen. Then, we can continue to observe the series and continue to update and share our theory.

Oh I see. Now this theory make sense, marginally. The problem now is that if you take a look at naruto's fight against neiji in episode 62, all nine of the demon's tails are out. Take a look at naruto during the zabuza fight at around eps 16-17, and his features were far more feral. Also, when the tails alone manifested in the neiji fight, naruto had feral features in his face, but again, not as intense as in the zabuza fight. I suppose I can get on board with the theory that different parts of the demon will grant different powers to it's container, but not the way you stated it. It might be true, but as of right now, the kyubi appearances in the form of chakra seem to be simply artistic renditions made for dramatic effect.

[Sidnne]

the kyubi appearances in the form of chakra seem to be simply artistic renditions made for dramatic effect.

Yes, excellent way to put. I said this earlier, but I may have worded it poorly. You said it better. thanks.

[kAi]

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