Favorite Gundam Pilot in any gundam series

[WingZero]

Who is your fav gundam pilot in any series? For me it definetly would have to be heero yuy cuz that guy was straight suicidal and did't give a fuck. He had that fuck the world attitude. Then i would go with Athrun Zala from destiny cuz he bitched slapped the fuck out of shinn!!

[Terracosmo]

Heero would have been a lot better if he ACTUALLY KILLED RELENA INSTEAD OF THREATENING TO DO SO 5 TIMES A DAY. He's a fucking pussy and an idiot to boot (who blows himself up that much willingly?)
My favorite: *drumroll* Yzak Jule! (who would have thought?)

Because he's impulsive and easily pissed-off (just like me) and hotter than hell. Gotta love the scar and 50's haircut. KUSO!

[Psyke]

Amuro Ray, Domon Kasshu, Kira Yamato, and maybe Duo Maxwell for calling Deathscythe his partner i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

[WingZero]

Terra your a girl right?? or are u gay?? cuz there ain't no guy who would say another guy is hot, or cute or call yzak your god.... sounds like faggot shit. ...i hope u aint a faggot cuz it be a shame to go gay bashing on your cock sucking ass.

[Curium]

Witz Sou

[danholo]

I'm in no position to take part in this survey because I've only seen SEED and Destiny. I don't count the couple first episodes I've seen of the original MSG.
I'll just go with the cliché for now: Kira. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[telemari]

Yzak is coooool. I like his "I don't care" personality and impulsivness and anger.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: WingZero
Terra your a girl right?? or are u gay?? cuz there ain't no guy who would say another guy is hot, or cute or call yzak your god.... sounds like faggot shit. ...i hope u aint a faggot cuz it be a shame to go gay bashing on your cock sucking ass.

There is no guy who would say another guy is hot? Where do you live, in a monastery?
For your sake I hope that your age is below 10.
I can also assure you, despite the fact that I can talk about other males as good-looking without feeling unsure in my sexuality, that I am more man than you will ever be; you little retard. And this is coming from a man who wears eyeliner. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

By the way what makes you think I care in the least about you "gay bashing" my "cock sucking" ass?

[WingZero]

hhahhahaha damn terra really is gay!! where tha fuck do u live??


No fucken guy goes on about how another guy is fucken hot! especially if its an anime. I can see if its an anime chick, but cmon a guy. Damn just accept the fact your a homo and come clean out of the closet. You don't know what your fucken talkin about faggot, u dream about cock 24/7 so just shut up dont speak do your jackin off to yzak or whoever anime dude u wack off to cuz i just ended it.

One more post like this and you are gone. Last warning.

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[beatjunkie]

hahaha damn wtf..... I have to aggree with wingzero, no descent man goes on and talks about how hot a man anime character is. its just not right, its soooooo wrong!! Terra I think u need help... some serious help man!!!!! go get it soon please!!

[Mut]

Shut your homophobic asses up. Any real man can admit that another man is a good looking person.

Idiots.

[Turkish-S]

lol... mut ure right.
i dont like gays and the way gays act BUT it isnt gay if u say that a man is good looking.

but let's return 2 topic:
i liked quatre of gundam wing the most cuzz he was an blonde arab.
and duo cuzz he had the coolest gundam of all gundam's...

[Deblas]

Kira and Mwu la Fragga *sniff* He didn't deserve do die. i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif

[Wren]

amuro ray it is

[beatjunkie]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Shut your homophobic asses up. Any real man can admit that another man is a good looking person.

Idiots.

speak for yourself, u need to shut your homophobic ass what u said just added more to how gay you are... no well respected man would admit another guy is hot or cute or call them their god as terra was saying. Damn you all watch too many gay porn. In a real conversation face to face u know u fools wouldnt say " oh yeah yzak is hot, rey is cute ,hes my god!!" hell no, u would get your ass beat for saying something like that in a conversation face to face.

mut why dont u and terra hook up or something. u know u guys want to.

See you in a week.

Wait, nevermind. See you in three weeks, also. Nice job with the double account, WingZero.

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[WingZero]

hahahaha damn this is taken too far....... yeah lets forget about this and move on, i aint even gonna address some of these homos cuz they a waste of my time.... I already ended this puttin terra in his place, he knows himself now that he sounded like a homo.. so thats it ovvvverrr, finisheddd.

See you in three weeks.

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[Madell]

Ontopic guys !
My best pilot is Bernie ! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[telemari]

even if he was gay, who cares?

I liked Astray girls i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

[Madell]

Originally posted by: telemari
even if he was gay, who cares?

I liked Astray girls

Bernie wasn't gay, or was you reffering to someone else (A)

[SKY_SO_BLUE]

My favorite Gundam pilot would be: Kira Yamato, Athrun Zala, Mwu la Fllaga, Yzak Jule, Dearka Elthman, Shin Asuka (GS/GSD), Amuro Ray (G) and, Shiro Armada (8th MS) This is all the favorite characters I know for now. =D

[NomoZ]

Kamille Bidan. Started out whiney but then he developed into a very good character. In close second is Amuro Ray.

P.S. I would have banned him completely.

[Rik]

I would pick Heero Yuy. Because, well, just look at the guy. He is emotionless. The guy's a stonewall. And he has the funniest clothes of any gundam pilot.

[SKY_SO_BLUE]

Originally posted by: Rik
I would pick Heero Yuy. Because, well, just look at the guy. He is emotionless. The guy's a stonewall. And he has the funniest clothes of any gundam pilot.

LOL you mean the green muscle shirts + the black TIGHTS, hahah come to think of it.. it's pretty true! I haven't seen any other G-pilots with any funny looking clothes unless someone can prove me wrong =D.

[Trik]

Favorite is Kira out of all the Gundam i have watched but Heero, and athrun are close second

[lilphatboi88]

I don't know how you guys think about going out and saying a guy is hot. That might be a bit on the level of gay. But every guy sometimes might see a guy and go, "damn, he's way better looking than me"

[Mut]

Originally posted by: lilphatboi88
But every guy sometimes might see a guy and go, "damn, he's way better looking than me"
Not if you look as studly as I do.

[lilphatboi88]

HA HA HA, how old are u?

I guess we live in the same time zone

[Terracosmo]

Did I mention that Yzak is my god?

[PSJ]

since i havent seen that many gundam shows i have to say Kira Yamato.

and i have to add one thing to the homo discussion, only real men can say that another guy looks good.

[danholo]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Did I mention that Yzak is my god?

It's quite obvious. Why? i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Curium]

Am I the only one that liked the pilots from Gundam X?

[Terracosmo]

Nope. I'm a big fan of Roybea (big surprise eh?)

Edit: and the frost brothers of course

[PTX-003C]

Kashima Yuu of cause....he's cool

[Curium]

Originally posted by: PTX-003C
Kashima Yuu of cause....he's cool

Who is Kashima Yuu?

[PSJ]

Gundam X pilots hmm, the coolest has to be witz(he's the guy with the red and white airplane gundam right?) i like his hair, actually wears my hair in a similar style inspired by him.

[Curium]

Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
Gundam X pilots hmm, the coolest has to be witz(he's the guy with the red and white airplane gundam right?) i like his hairactually wears my hair in a siliar style inspired by him.

Yeah, Witz is the one I chose. It was the GW-9800 Gundam Airmaster (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/x/gw-9800.htm). Later it was upgraded to GW-9800-B Gundam Airmaster Burst (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/x/gw-9800-b.htm) which was acctually Blue and White.

[PSJ]

yea remember now, the coolest characters in that show were easily witz, roybea and the kid mechanic. the rest were quite forgetable and the main character sucked.

[Astronopolis]

I really liked Seabook Arno from F91, he was cool.

[Terracosmo]

I don't think that the Gundam X main char sucked, Garrod Ran was in fact one of my favorite main chars as he wasn't angsty at all but instead rather cheery and straight-forward (except when it came to his feelings for Tifa). He was some fresh air IMO.

[Psyke]

Garrod was another one of the "accidental" pilots in the Gundam universe. How many are there altogether again? From what I remember there's Amuro, Judo (ZZ), Uso (V) Kira, Garrod (X).

I thought Gundam X was better than Gundam Wing, but sadly the series was cut short due to low ratings.

[Terracosmo]

Yeah, pretty much all of the pilots are accidental.

GX was indeed much better than GW. Unfortunately the characters weren't sexy enough (and the fireworks too unimpressive) for it to win ground amongst the kids.

[thejamppa]

Kira Yamato and Athrun Sala from Seed/Destiny
Schartz Brudel and Domon Kasshu from G Gundam
Shiro Armada from 8th MS
Duo Maxwell and Heero Yue from Wing
That's about it...

[PTX-003C]

Originally posted by: Curium


Originally posted by: PTX-003C
Kashima Yuu of cause....he's cool

Who is Kashima Yuu?

he's the pilot of RX-79 BD-01!!!!
how can anyone not know him....Blue Destiny is the best!!!

[Curium]

Originally posted by: PTX-003C


Originally posted by: Curium


Originally posted by: PTX-003C
Kashima Yuu of cause....he's cool

Who is Kashima Yuu?

he's the pilot of RX-79 BD-01!!!!
how can anyone not know him....Blue Destiny is the best!!!

Never heard of RX-79 BD-01 or Blue Destiny.

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
I don't think that the Gundam X main char sucked, Garrod Ran was in fact one of my favorite main chars as he wasn't angsty at all but instead rather cheery and straight-forward (except when it came to his feelings for Tifa). He was some fresh air IMO.

he was a bit to cheery and easy going for my taste and clumsy didnt like that at all.

[Dannynonsense]

i would have to say one of my favorite pilots is kou uraki pilot of Unit 1 gundam 0083

[Uchiha Barles]

Wu Fei Chang. Asides from his little stint of pussyness (I don't deserve to pilot you Shenlong, I'm too weak and a coward), he was the most badass out of all gundam pilots past and present. Also, he easily comanded Wing Zero. Had no problems whatsoever. Everyone else was either going insane or coming out sweating and freaked, while Wu fei came out dry, relaxed, and saying "Wing Zero showed me something interesting." He kicked so much ass. Heero is a close second for jumping out that window with no parachute when he escaped the hospital. And over all, Gundam Wing pilots were the best.

[Curium]

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
Wu Fei Chang. Asides from his little stint of pussyness (I don't deserve to pilot you Shenlong, I'm too weak and a coward), he was the most badass out of all gundam pilots past and present. Also, he easily comanded Wing Zero. Had no problems whatsoever. Everyone else was either going insane or coming out sweating and freaked, while Wu fei came out dry, relaxed, and saying "Wing Zero showed me something interesting." He kicked so much ass. Heero is a close second for jumping out that window with no parachute when he escaped the hospital. And over all, Gundam Wing pilots were the best.

While it was the Shenlong Gundam, Wu Fei called it Nataku. He never used the term Shenlong.

[Psyke]

Originally posted by: Curium


Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
Wu Fei Chang. Asides from his little stint of pussyness (I don't deserve to pilot you Shenlong, I'm too weak and a coward), he was the most badass out of all gundam pilots past and present. Also, he easily comanded Wing Zero. Had no problems whatsoever. Everyone else was either going insane or coming out sweating and freaked, while Wu fei came out dry, relaxed, and saying "Wing Zero showed me something interesting." He kicked so much ass. Heero is a close second for jumping out that window with no parachute when he escaped the hospital. And over all, Gundam Wing pilots were the best.

While it was the Shenlong Gundam, Wu Fei called it Nataku. He never used the term Shenlong.

The official name for his first Gundam was the Shenlong, but he always called it the Nataku instead. He later got the Altron Gundam which became the Nataku Gundam in Endless Waltz.

[Terracosmo]

Wu Fei is the worst character ever. I always find it so funny that he goes on and on about honor, yet he blew up a whole building full of soldiers in their sleep. Yeah, honor...

[Madell]

Bernie and Shiro Amada are sillt #1 of all time (H) You just have to acppet that i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[PTX-003C]

Originally posted by: Curium
Never heard of RX-79 BD-01 or Blue Destiny.

OMG!!!
how can anyone consider themselves a gundam fan for not even knowing Blue Destiny.....
it is one of the very famous units in One Year War

http://www.geocities.com/gundam_08th/rx-79bd-1.jpg
RX-79BD-1 Blue Destiny Unit 1
Unit type: prototype EXAM mobile suit
Maufacturer: Earth Federal Forces
Operator(s): Earth Federal Forces
Rollout: UC ?
First deployed: UC 0079
Production run: 1 unit

Head height: 18.0 meters
Overall height: 18.5 meters
Base weight: 52.8 metric tons
Full weight: 73.0 metric tons

Sensor radius: ? meters
Frame type: semi-monocoque
Armor materials: luna-titanium alloy

Internal electronic systems:
EXAM system

Equipment and features:
NF*GMG-Type.37/100mm machine gun magazine x 2

Basic armament:
vulcan gun x 2
machine gun x 2
beam saber x 2
chest missile x 2

Hand-carried armament:
NF*GMG-Type.37/100mm machine gun

[NomoZ]

lol not everyone reads manga. I first heard of Blue Destiny from the SD Gundam BD

[Terracosmo]

"OMG!!!
how can anyone consider themselves a gundam fan for not even knowing Blue Destiny....."

Well, considering that you get like 2 hits if you write it in google... I'd say the amount of people who think that info is crucial to being a Gundam fan is not too many.

[Curium]

Originally posted by: PTX-003C


Originally posted by: Curium
Never heard of RX-79 BD-01 or Blue Destiny.

OMG!!!
how can anyone consider themselves a gundam fan for not even knowing Blue Destiny.....
it is one of the very famous units in One Year War


While I do intend to try and watch/read everything Gundam eventually, the UC stuff is at the bottom of my priority list. UC was by far THE WORST Gundam stuff there is. I will get to it eventaully, though I'm working on downloading 8th MS team not because of your suggestion, I'm in no rush.

[NomoZ]

Originally posted by: Curium
UC was by far THE WORST Gundam stuff there is.

You will burn!!!...ok that was harsh, but UC contains Zeta and Char's CA so i'm a little defensive.

[Kovash]

You know, despite the fact that everyone in the owrld seems against him, for reasons I'm not privy too...

I like Shinn the best (except Mwu and Auel, they're just damn cool), I personally think he is a far more realistic character than any other of the SEED people and seems to be a bit more gounded than any of the others.

Other than that, I've only seen Wing (and that is a precious 32 hours of my life I want back).

[Def_X]

Sorry to go back to wing but Trowa was my fav. Heavy arms was just a funny gundam that I never really saw repeated closest thing would be "Deakas"(that has to spelt wrong). Trowa just never said anything that wasn't needed and I love characters like that. Same reason Gaara is my fav Naruto character.

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Wu Fei is the worst character ever. I always find it so funny that he goes on and on about honor, yet he blew up a whole building full of soldiers in their sleep. Yeah, honor...


No way! Honor or not he's still one of the toughest characters in any Gundam series. Plus he has that stereotypical chinese cool demeanor (If you insist on standing in my way, I will now proceed to ripping you limb from limb and feeding your organs to hamsters). He's great.

[Curium]

Originally posted by: NomoZ


Originally posted by: Curium
UC was by far THE WORST Gundam stuff there is.

You will burn!!!...ok that was harsh, but UC contains Zeta and Char's CA so i'm a little defensive.

I'll admit I've only seen the beginning of Zeta so far, but so far it has been just bad. And Char's CA was bland at best.

[PTX-003C]

Originally posted by: Curium


Originally posted by: NomoZ


Originally posted by: Curium
UC was by far THE WORST Gundam stuff there is.

You will burn!!!...ok that was harsh, but UC contains Zeta and Char's CA so i'm a little defensive.

I'll admit I've only seen the beginning of Zeta so far, but so far it has been just bad. And Char's CA was bland at best.

the UC series was the best!!!
it's more on charactor interection, not just whole bunch of action and firework displays
and for those ppl who donno BD.....
it's a game originally......
based on one year war.....
all three BD carry EXAM system

i basically hate all the charactors since wing....
they all don't have the feeling of being a soldier/in an army
for god's sake...it's a war....they should have the self-concous of being a soldier!!
and 80% of them look like girls!!

[kinggalaxia]

WELL, we're talking about pilots, eh?? and a homo discussion also? hmmmm

Best Pilots All Around
1. Char Aznable - just awesome, period
2. Shinn Asuka - I hate the bashing he gets; he's more human than most pilots *coughWingcough*
3. Master Asia - honorable and had a great motive the whole time. Hands down, the best death in Gundam. I never fail at crying when seeing it.

Sexiest Pilots (nyahaha)
1. Duo Maxwell - gorgeous. a perfect collection of a hot bod and awesome personality.
2. Athrun Zala - don't you dare think I didn't smile when an early Destiny showed him in the shower, LOL
3. dunno....A list of honorable mentions, I guess *shrug*
Garrod Ran - cute, innocent, and naive
Garma Zabi - 1st ever Gundam bishounen. I choked when he died.
Heero Yuy - only cuz he's an excellent top for Duo XD
Kira Yamato - older Kira in GSD. looking back on Seed in #29 showed me how he's *cough* grown since
Kai Biden - not really bishounen but I love his attitude and quirkyness

[Okyd]

Duo

[darkshadow]

lunamaria & shinn ( why do i have the feeling i said that before)

[Curium]

Originally posted by: PTX-003C


Originally posted by: Curium


Originally posted by: NomoZ


Originally posted by: Curium
UC was by far THE WORST Gundam stuff there is.

You will burn!!!...ok that was harsh, but UC contains Zeta and Char's CA so i'm a little defensive.

I'll admit I've only seen the beginning of Zeta so far, but so far it has been just bad. And Char's CA was bland at best.

the UC series was the best!!!
it's more on charactor interection, not just whole bunch of action and firework displays
and for those ppl who donno BD.....
it's a game originally......
based on one year war.....
all three BD carry EXAM system

i basically hate all the charactors since wing....
they all don't have the feeling of being a soldier/in an army
for god's sake...it's a war....they should have the self-concous of being a soldier!!
and 80% of them look like girls!!

Character interaction is only a good thing if they have GOOD characters. All the characters were worthless. I felt even Wing had better character development then the UC stuff I saw.

Also, why are you expecting the pilots to act like soldiers? Litterally the only Gundam pilots that are part of any military in any AU is in SEED. G Gundam was like pro wrestlers, X was scavengers, W were all solo acts really (though Quatre was an exception). Expecting any of them to act like professional soldiers would be out of character for their way of life.

[Astronopolis]

the reason you didnt seem to like UC i beleive is because you didnt get to see the continuity throughout 20 years of gundam shows, and it seems you only caught a glimpse of UC totally out of context. i think the only way to totally understand UC continuity is to watch the core series, MSG, Z, and CCA (i dont think ZZ really contributed much to the UC timeline), only then would i or anyone here respect your opinion on UC gundam as a whole.

[Curium]

I've seen all of MSG, about half of Zeta and CCA so I am about 75% of the way there.

[PTX-003C]

Originally posted by: Curium


Originally posted by: PTX-003C


Originally posted by: Curium


Originally posted by: NomoZ


Originally posted by: Curium
UC was by far THE WORST Gundam stuff there is.

You will burn!!!...ok that was harsh, but UC contains Zeta and Char's CA so i'm a little defensive.

I'll admit I've only seen the beginning of Zeta so far, but so far it has been just bad. And Char's CA was bland at best.

the UC series was the best!!!
it's more on charactor interection, not just whole bunch of action and firework displays
and for those ppl who donno BD.....
it's a game originally......
based on one year war.....
all three BD carry EXAM system

i basically hate all the charactors since wing....
they all don't have the feeling of being a soldier/in an army
for god's sake...it's a war....they should have the self-concous of being a soldier!!
and 80% of them look like girls!!

Character interaction is only a good thing if they have GOOD characters. All the characters were worthless. I felt even Wing had better character development then the UC stuff I saw.

Also, why are you expecting the pilots to act like soldiers? Litterally the only Gundam pilots that are part of any military in any AU is in SEED. G Gundam was like pro wrestlers, X was scavengers, W were all solo acts really (though Quatre was an exception). Expecting any of them to act like professional soldiers would be out of character for their way of life.

then what about seed...they are OFFICALLY soldiers
shinn, athrun, luna, rei or even Kira enlisted
apart from rei, none of them actually looks like a soldier.....


for knowing the whole gundam history...i HIGHLY suggess you to forget everything you know fromm gundam and start from nothing
0079 one year war>team 08>0080 pocket war>0083 star dust memory>zeta>double zeta>0093 char's counter attack>turn A(turn A is the offical end for UC series)
highly suggess to skip wing....
if you insist on watch G Gundam....ddon't treat it as gundam....cuz God Gundam is absolutely a super robot...=.=b

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
3. Master Asia - honorable and had a great motive the whole time. Hands down, the best death in Gundam. I never fail at crying when seeing it.

Garma Zabi - 1st ever Gundam bishounen. I choked when he died.

Those are so true. Master Asia's death was awesome, and Garma was my favorite Gundam character (it's amazing how I always "fall" for the characters that die quickly).

[kinggalaxia]

Yeah...when I first watched it, I knew it was coming...and I got sad, but only the 'oh he died' kindness.

But then, oh God, the music kicked in AND they said their speech one last time. I bawl, just thinking about it. It's so cheesy, but it's THE most dramatic and emotional way to go out.

Tis why I love G Gundam. It's tribute & homage to the classic giant robot shows and the like presents tons of cheese, but with that dairy, comes PASSION. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif



Originally posted by: Terracosmo


Originally posted by: kinggalaxia
3. Master Asia - honorable and had a great motive the whole time. Hands down, the best death in Gundam. I never fail at crying when seeing it.

Garma Zabi - 1st ever Gundam bishounen. I choked when he died.

Those are so true. Master Asia's death was awesome, and Garma was my favorite Gundam character (it's amazing how I always "fall" for the characters that die quickly).

[monkeyman]

Ok, Kira has to be my favorite pilot out of the gundams. Second goes to athrun and heero. As for Shin don't know what kind of people you hang around with but he has serious anger isues. Almost everything he does when he fights, when he talks its all about his anger. He never thinks about anything but himself (hopefully his "love" for Stellar will change that) atleast Kira fought to protect his friends and Athrun fought for his ideals. *breaths* basicly * hate Shin but if he looses some of that anger and can learn to control his anger he might make a decent main charecter. And as for comenting on other guys looks its takes a man to say another guy is good looking, but i don't know if that applys to anime charecters.........

[PTX-003C]

all i can say is.....geez...you guys are brain washed by the crappy shows...(wing,X,seed,seed-d)
even turn A has better storyline and charactors....why noone mentioned about it....

[Curium]

Originally posted by: PTX-003C
all i can say is.....geez...you guys are brain washed by the crappy shows...(wing,X,seed,seed-d)
even turn A has better storyline and charactors....why noone mentioned about it....

Better those shows then UC crap.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: PTX-003C
all i can say is.....geez...you guys are brain washed by the crappy shows...(wing,X,seed,seed-d)

Says the guy with a million female Seed figurines...

[PTX-003C]

Originally posted by: Curium


Originally posted by: PTX-003C
all i can say is.....geez...you guys are brain washed by the crappy shows...(wing,X,seed,seed-d)
even turn A has better storyline and charactors....why noone mentioned about it....

Better those shows then UC crap.

UC has a better storyline....^^

[Curium]

I don't know how you can say it has a better storyline. It is mostly the same general storyline, plus it wasn't that original in the first place. Power hungry mad man tries to conquer all while noble heroes try to stop him despide corruption from their leadership.

[kinggalaxia]

yeah yeah...

the truth is that some of us love UC Gundam because of just that. We know what'll happen, more or less....just HOW it's presented is what drives us to watch it.

also, the sheer vastness of it.....an entire system of the Earth + colonies.....a timeline of 10-12 years with multiple regime changes.....and the growth of characters throughout this entire thing. War is something that transforms everything around it and Gundam shows exactly what that is like. The characters are deep and intriquing (*ahem* CHAR!!!) and the interaction they have with one another only builds more onto the story.

Now I ain't saying that the AUs suck...but I'll be damned if the child can surpass its parent in this case. Not even GSD can, and I praise the fuck out of it.

[perfectblue]

trowa barton

[Astronopolis]

alright, im not gonna say that the AU shows suck, i watch them too, but face it, theyre the kiddy shows meant to sell model kits of the latest funky weird design (lol murasame) approved by bandai for making money. thats all these shows are for, and thats why a new OMG most powerful MS comes out every week in the show, not for story reasons, just to move product. can you honestly beleive, in the context of the story, it takes a couple months for a new gundam suit to come out? in UC it took years before the next gundam was created, and they were created for a purpose too, not just damn we need to boost sales, bring out a new gundam! the gundam was created as a prototype ms for tthe federation, based off of data from the guntank and guncannon, the gms were mass produced gundams. zeta rolls along, and shit, zeon has created some good ms over the years, we need to make a gundam MK II, to test out this new movable frame technology, and also since everyone now has beam weapons, the RX-78-2 is useless now. crap, the titans started mass producing the MKII (aka Barzam) we need something stronger, and we want to test out our transforming technology, based on the research and data from the methuss, lets build Z Gundam and so on it goes, in a logical manner, and with a realistic timeline. im not saying that the way that AU handles the development of new ms is the only reason why it is just a little silly in my opinion, its just one problem in a laundry list of issues i have with AU that keeps me from taking it seriously.

whew.

[PTX-003C]

Originally posted by: Astronopolis
alright, im not gonna say that the AU shows suck, i watch them too, but face it, theyre the kiddy shows meant to sell model kits of the latest funky weird design (lol murasame) approved by bandai for making money. thats all these shows are for, and thats why a new OMG most powerful MS comes out every week in the show, not for story reasons, just to move product. can you honestly beleive, in the context of the story, it takes a couple months for a new gundam suit to come out? in UC it took years before the next gundam was created, and they were created for a purpose too, not just damn we need to boost sales, bring out a new gundam! the gundam was created as a prototype ms for tthe federation, based off of data from the guntank and guncannon, the gms were mass produced gundams. zeta rolls along, and shit, zeon has created some good ms over the years, we need to make a gundam MK II, to test out this new movable frame technology, and also since everyone now has beam weapons, the RX-78-2 is useless now. crap, the titans started mass producing the MKII (aka Barzam) we need something stronger, and we want to test out our transforming technology, based on the research and data from the methuss, lets build Z Gundam and so on it goes, in a logical manner, and with a realistic timeline. im not saying that the way that AU handles the development of new ms is the only reason why it is just a little silly in my opinion, its just one problem in a laundry list of issues i have with AU that keeps me from taking it seriously.

whew.

yay.....someone on the same page with me....
btw....about the TMS info.....what i remembered from zeta project....zeta is not the first TMS and it's basically the final form....Methuss is actually the first TMS .....Hyaku Shiki was suppose to able to transform..but the TMS frame failed during tests, so they changed the frame later on for Hyaku Shiki...(just for extra information, if my memory didn't fail me...S and EX-S are the last for zeta project......and Re-GZ is mass production of zeta)

i pretty much can't stand so many UGLY and paper-made units coming out like a wave.......a lot of the units just happened to show up and die..then another unit come up and die...that's stupid.....sounds like the wars are just power vs power.....

[multi]

id say yzak cuz i bet he could fuck the shit out of any girl in seed and destiny. plus he takes charge and would make a bitch scream his name.

[Gunslinger_BlaQ]

Zechs and Mwu. Supporting cast characters are always more interesting than the lead characters.

[Deamon007]

Kira because I love the Freedom and I'm completly sure that it was he who manipulated Fray (I dont know how you spell it) and not the other way around

[romancing_xaga]

Perhaps a very interesting character, is Raul Krueze from GS. I also like Garrod from Gundam X. Heero is just freakin overkill. Domon is full of heroic shit. I also like Quatre, he's smart-lookin is admirable.

[antoine]

Kira

[LokeXero]

Id say Trowa, Heero or Zechs...

[ChaosK]

Heero, or Yzak. Kira is kinda...i dunno how to say and athurn is just...not my favorite i guess.

[RedX1z]

Naming by order of appearence..

Heero, Trowa, Kira, Athrun, Yzak, Dearka, Nicol, Kuruto, Shani, Lunamaria, Auel, and last, but not least, Heine.

[Terracosmo]

Lunamaria & Heine aren't gundam pilots though.

[Nai]

I'd have to say Rey Za Burrel followed closely by Yzak Joule. What can I say, I'm a sucker for pretty badass characters.

I've always liked Rey really. Calm, collected and always the strategist. And when he met with Dullindal ( who's coincidently another of my favorites, but not a pilot ) and lost about 99% of his fanbase I just loved him even more, because he actually showed real emotion and affection towards another person, which added yet another page to his personality. Add the fact that he was one who devised the plan to take down Freedom and I'm sure you'll understand my choice.

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

my favorite character would be Athrun, then second would be tied w/ Shinn and Zechs. lots of ppl hate shinn but i like him cuz of his attitiude, it makes him look badass =P. Definitely not Kira, that guy just pisses me off, all whiny in seed and always interfering in battles in gsd and pissing ppl off......

[Motteh]

Nicol Amarfi and Duo Maxwell
2 totally different characters but they tie #1 on my list

[Madell]

How can Heero be your #1 he just says relena...i'm going to kill you and that's all

[RedX1z]

Alright then, just consider them over average pilots for regular suits who have the potential to own anybody if they were given a gundam or something.

[Motteh]

Originally posted by: Madell
How can Heero be your #1 he just says relena...i'm going to kill you and that's all
they can because it's a personal opinion
not a given fact
use your head for a change <_<

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Motteh


Originally posted by: Madell
How can Heero be your #1 he just says relena...i'm going to kill you and that's all
they can because it's a personal opinion
not a given fact
use your head for a change <_<

Nah. Heero and plain Gundam Wing sucks. Its a fact.

[cybercoin]

Also on opinion

[Aramis]

I've only seen GS and GSD.
hmm. Lunamaria is not a gundam pilot...yet.
Shinn is great except how he fell for Stellar.
Kira lacks passion. He loves power but hates killing. Stupid little man.
Athrun never has a clue what he's doing...
Rey can keep to orders, be cool, skilled, and traitorous at the same time and get away with it...Yeah Rey is good. Great pilot who plays his cards right.

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

i know this isn't totally related to the topic but it does have to do w/ whether he's a kool gundam pilot or not, r any of zechs' gundams made out of gundanium?

[Terracosmo]

Since that is a criteria for a mech to actually be called a gundam I'd assume so, yes.

[ThatGuyThere]

jeez... i feel some hate toward kira... kira is the best, not because of having the "best gundam" but becuse he knows what he is fighting for unlike athrun or shinn who dont know who or why they are fighting

[Mite Gai]

I would have to say Duo, Kira, and Heero cause Duo is just there to have a good time and kill everyone (God of Death?) and that ponytail is awesome, Kira cause now that he has gone through his angst phase in Gundam SEED he is now a badass in Gundam SEED Destiny, and Heero cause he did not value his life at all and piloted a machine that drove most people insane on his first try without losing his mind which takes some pretty good mental focus.

[Motteh]

Originally posted by: Deblas


Originally posted by: Motteh


Originally posted by: Madell
How can Heero be your #1 he just says relena...i'm going to kill you and that's all
they can because it's a personal opinion
not a given fact
use your head for a change <_<

Nah. Heero and plain Gundam Wing sucks. Its a fact.
that isn't a fact but your opinion
since it's my opinion that Wing is atleast decent enough to watch
well i guess you like Pokemon better but you're entitled to


Originally posted by: AtHRunOwNZaLL
i know this isn't totally related to the topic but it does have to do w/ whether he's a kool gundam pilot or not, r any of zechs' gundams made out of gundanium?
Zechs piloted both Wing Zero and Epyon, both of which were made out of gundamium, and thus called Gundams

edit: Tallgeese was also made out of gundamium i believe but it wasn't clearly stated in the series

[RedX1z]

Yeah, yeah, so Heero is suicidal, so he didn't kill Relena, and last, but not least, he didn't fall in love with her, but hey, doesn't every character have at least one thing wrong with them?

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

i think he did love relena becuz during the endless waltz movie when she was kidnapped heero said he was going to go save her and then duo said something about him doing anything for the woman he loves, can't remember it clearly been a year since i watched it but it was something like that

[Terracosmo]

Then again, it would be typical of Duo to say something like that in a sarcastic manner.

I mean "There Heero goes to save his love" or something like that.

[DeluxSkillz]

favorites have to be Kira, Athrun and Yzak, only seen GS and GSD so can't say much about other gundam series

[Wi|DdR!v3]

used 2 hate yzak bcuz he shot down the space shuttle >_<
but then seeing him in ep 6 the way he took down sting and auel was way cool
but still my fav wud b kira/ athrun then yzak/heero

[Terracosmo]

Ironically, the shuttle scene sealed Yzak as my favorite character.
Any mobile suit pilot who kills off annoying & whiny kids is top-class in my book! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Wi|DdR!v3]

=_=" plz dont kill me

[RedX1z]

Anyone who can walk around with hair like that deserves to be on the top 5 list. Then again, I wouldn't walk around in hair like that in public.i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

[Mite Gai]

lol, it is Yzak's awesome hair and I am pissed 24/7 attitude that made him one of my favorite characters.

[Souryusen]

A "favorite" topic that I failed to post in.

I'm gonna say..... Mwu "Hello, Captain" La Flaga and Shiro Amada.

Honorable Mention: Chibodee Crockett - for piloting (and being) the biggest American stereotype of all time and STILL managing to give God Gundam a run for its money. I salute you and I salute your big, gay surfer-boxer-gunslinger-football-player mech! It's a pity they couldn't fit a cowboy hat over the football helmet.

[Phoebus]

hmmm, Shiro Armada cause he seems to me the most....real life...kid u see, allthough...I do hope we see more of these kind's of series like the 08th MS. it's like...life in the front line..seems a bit....duno...real life for a MS pilot.


oh, and Duo Maxwell, gotta love DeathScythe....comming out of nowhere, having fun...oh, and not to forget, he call's himself "God of Death" :-)

[naruto-ton]

kira yamato, most unique matured too me. looks like the true leader, "has that divine and holy attitude in gsd i loved, "sorta like jesus".

i felt kira grown alot after GS, but the attitude i like the most is that...in his head he knows he's ignorant and maybe not have a direction. but deep inside he knows that wars is not right, wars is hatred and killing. thats why he stops it, even tho he knows himself getting inbetween fight wont stop it. but he still does it becuase he said, "he can say he cant do anything without doing anything." thats how i believe too, sometimes its not about being able SUCESS to do something, u do it because u gotta do it, It means something to you. Like following his heart instead of what other people ideas are. good "characteristics", i look up to.

[MrTicTac]

I'd go with Athrun,, I really like how his voice acting is done and its interesting to watch how he handles his mixed emotions throughout SEED and Destiny

my least favorite(s) >___< : Amuro, Shiro, and Shinn hmm and Uso cause he had an annoying voice..

[KapsLocked]

Man... I love all the characters in SEED - all of them have some sort of emotion at some point (except for Rau Le Kruize(sp?) and Ray, of course since... they're weird.) like real people.

But that's only because I watched it after I watched Gundam Wing and G Gundam. I LOVED G Gundam, but I thought Wing was so-so - there wasn't as much character development of the 5 pilots IMHO. It always felt like they were trying to be deep but not succeeding. Then again, that may be what I get for watching the CN dub and not a fansub, but back then Bittorrent didn't exist yet!

Anyways, I'll have to say I like Cagalli, Lacus, and Meyrin the best. They're all the cutest characters in my book!

[chriscant]

FYI


Zechs piloted both Wing Zero and Epyon, both of which were made out of gundamium, and thus called Gundams



edit: Tallgeese was also made out of gundamium i believe but it wasn't clearly stated in the series

Im pretty sure the tallgeese was made out of titanium, i think i read that off the official site

[MeroTZ]

First off, Tallgease was made ouf of pure cool. Because it WAS the best mobile suit in all of Wing, in all iterations, 1-3 (especially 3).

I like Kira best not for his piloting skills, but for his ideology. Go guy with the moral highground!

[masamuneehs]

Yeh, Zechs / Miliardo was probably one of my favorite pilots of all times and I really thought that Gundam Wing was more about him and the rest of the OZ soldiers than the actual Gundam pilots. I also really enjoyed Trowa Barton in that series, although I thought he was a little too impressionable to be realistic in some parts. That was a guy with a level head and gritty determination. He also was committed to his partners and the cause and was ready to die for them at any time.

As much as I like Duo's hilarity, Yzak's arrogant yelling, Amuro's realness, Shinn's pissyness, and Nichol's kindness, they all fall down in the face of those two. I don't know whether to pick Zechs or Trowa, especially since its been forever since I've seen Wing (which does NOT suck, but also isn't the best Gundam by any stretch of the imagination)

Only person to possibly rival Trowa or Zechs might be Rey Za Burrell. I just have a thing about the silent cunning pilots who speak only when absolutley necessary, always say something important, and are insanely dedicated. I just hope that Rey turns out to be the evildoer that I so much want him to be.

[chriscant]

You cant compare tallgeese to wing zero, or epion or freedom or destiny, tallgeese blows in comparison, tho it is a cool suit,

Id hav to go for
1) Heero (Wing) - Suicidal, indestructible, suicidal, ultimate killing machine, suicidal, close to no emotion (even tho he talks bout acting on emotioni/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif (also people bash him for sayin relena a bit...ok alot but we hear kira doin the same "Athrun" "Fllay" over nd over and over)
2) Kira (SEED/Destiny) Main reason is that he is a brilliant pilot the ultimate coordinator, bt has a conscionce (i cant spell) too, he managed to touch everyones heart in SEED and was a touchin character...plus he boned Fllay good on the lad.
3)Athrun (SEED/Destiny) The mechs were a bit, so-so bt his conflict wit kira in SEED having to live with the fact he "killed" his best friend then joining him for the final battles, oh nd the battle wen he nd kira totally tore eachother to pieces was so kool 4 beams on athruns gundam, pure class.
4)Garrod (X) Gundam X was jst a kool mech despite bein a bit plain, bt wen Garrod got Double X he seemd to get a new sense of purpose.

[MrTicTac]

>___> Garrod just wants a litte tiffa action, haha but anyways yea he matured a bit after gaining more power with double-x but i'd have picked that blue-leather wearing chick instead ^^

[fox_t]

Originally posted by: chriscant
Id hav to go for
1) Heero (Wing) - Suicidal, indestructible, suicidal, ultimate killing machine, suicidal, close to no emotion (even tho he talks bout acting on emotion (also people bash him for sayin relena a bit...ok alot but we hear kira doin the same "Athrun" "Fllay" over nd over and over)


That might be true. But nobody does it like Heero and Relena, not even Sakura(Naruto) can match their determination. There were whole episodes where all they did was look to the sky and call each other's name.

Kira is my favourite, because of his maturity and leadership.

Shinn(in SEED mode), because he`s just so cold-hearted. I have to respect that kind of brutality, and just utter disregard for life.

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

Originally posted by: fox_t
Kira is my favourite, because of his maturity and leadership.

IMO kira isn't mature at all, he just acts on his emotions and the choices he makes somtimes pisses me off

[MrTicTac]

shinn only cares about his friends' family's lives,, he kills so much, before he knew it was stellar he's all *rawr!* when he finds out he's all ;__; "nooo i dont wanna kill u cause ur hot, doesnt matter that u killed an entire town"

really pissed me off when he killed that orb guy,, same damn guy who practically SAVED shinn back in orb (in SEED)

no respect for shinn from me >__<

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

he didn't want to kill stellar because he loved her and he promised her that he would protect her

he didn't know who the guy was in the carrier none the less if there was a guy there, he's in a mobile suit, you think he'll be able to see that tiny little thing in a small and curved down window??

[naruto-kira]

me too... no respect for shinn, that guy doesn't know how to think. he protect's a girl with his life he meet like 1 month ago.... max, and its all because stella is like the same person as him "losing love ones".....ooo come on, everyone in war is like him losing family. i dont c him think about others. he think of himself as The One, but in war millions of people are jus like him...family dieing...... for EAF and ZAFT. If shin really knows the pains.... he should know the pain of others too. "Eaf and Zaft". im not that hating on Shinn but i gotta say....he is surrounding himself with the wrong people.......and i really feel sorry for that orb guy, he seem such a nice person.

the choices kira makes is not one sided...he thinks about others too both coordinators and naturals he understand in war families dies Thats y he fights, to protect. I dont buy the whole starting overing by GIL, that stuff is "genocide" . Genetic Wise- shinn is no one special he is jus a regular coordinator that is angry and got seed mode because his family died... man alot of people families die and each of them is gonna turn out like shinn...wow... how about that...

[PSJ]

Originally posted by: chriscant
You cant compare tallgeese to wing zero, or epion or freedom or destiny, tallgeese blows in comparison, tho it is a cool suit,

Id hav to go for
1) Heero (Wing) - Suicidal, indestructible, suicidal, ultimate killing machine, suicidal, close to no emotion (even tho he talks bout acting on emotion (also people bash him for sayin relena a bit...ok alot but we hear kira doin the same "Athrun" "Fllay" over nd over and over)
2) Kira (SEED/Destiny) Main reason is that he is a brilliant pilot the ultimate coordinator, bt has a conscionce (i cant spell) too, he managed to touch everyones heart in SEED and was a touchin character...plus he boned Fllay good on the lad.
3)Athrun (SEED/Destiny) The mechs were a bit, so-so bt his conflict wit kira in SEED having to live with the fact he "killed" his best friend then joining him for the final battles, oh nd the battle wen he nd kira totally tore eachother to pieces was so kool 4 beams on athruns gundam, pure class.
4)Garrod (X) Gundam X was jst a kool mech despite bein a bit plain, bt wen Garrod got Double X he seemd to get a new sense of purpose.

Write out the full words. It's AND, ABOUT, BUT, BEING, HOPING, COOL, JUST, WHEN. I really don't want to catch all of them as you wrote like every other word without a letter. Makes you look dumb, it's better to write the whole word.

[MrTicTac]

shinn is high ranked soldier,, he should know atleast who that orb guy was, just from his uniform (like should be some indication he's someone important


well its just basically the whole idea of him not caring for orb JUST cause his family died.. sooo he'll go ahead and kill a whole bunch more other people with families, and he doesnt even think about it, and damn stellar prolly didnt even like shinn,, she was all messed up in drugs and had a limited mind (like a child) that she shouldnt know love,, no doubt if some stranger, like i dunno some 5 yr old kid goes up to stellar says "die" like a whole bunch of times, she'll get all x__x! and all the kid has to say is "dont worry i'll protect you" and bam she'll go strip for him

[Kenzaburo]

Gotta agree with the opinion on Shinn. Just watched phase 32 and I got really really angry. I'm still fuming...GRRRR.
Now honestly, Shinn is probably one of the most imature pilots ever, how would anyone in their right mind hand him a gun or even a Gundam??? I served in the military and there I was already worried about certain people carrying guns, but...c'mon giving a 16 year old boy with a pretty much unstable psyche a killing machine with that much firepower is just crazy. I admit that many Gundam pilots were bothered by internal conflicts but this one is the first to get me hate him that much. That stupid kid just stopped fighting Stellar, because he had some feelings for her, but in just that short break from fighting she goes all Hiroshima bomb on Berlin. Did you take a look at the destruction she caused? Do you know how many people live in Berlin? Several million people. And that insane girl just blasts them off the face of the planet. And now Shinn acts all pissed on Kira? Are you kiddin' me? It's partially his fault that a lot of people died. I don't care if he loved her, if he can't make a decision like that he does not belong into a seat, that's for sure. Of course you can't expect this sort of decision from a 16 year old kid, especially with his background, but that just proves my point not to let him pilot a mobile suit at all.

And about Kira being a imature...he might have been a troubled youth himself in SEED, but he matured a lot. Right now I fully understand his attitude. He doesn't want to fight, because it means the death of people on the battlefield, on the other hand not fighting at all means the death of a lot of people, who are no combatants at all. That's enough reason for him to take up arms again, to protect as much people as he can. The casualities that occured near Gibraltar with ORB and EAF involved were not directly his fault. The other commanders were just acting pretty stupid. Same as with phase 32, where Gladys says, that she can't understand why the AA is acting this way. C'mon, you don't seem to be that thick, Cap'n...for anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence it should be quite obvious. They are trying to stop that goddamn monster, something they have a higher chance of accomplishing than probably every other force on earth right now. Most of the guys in the Gundam SEED shows are pretty strange soldiers to me, honestly. On a battlefield there is one rule you should pretty much stick to, that being "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", at least for this battle. Sort out the details after the worst has been dealt with.

That actually reminds me of another thing: someone(actually every military officer) should start punishing that sucker Shinn for all his disobedience. With all those selfish stunts he has pulled off he's the most dangerous threat to his unit and Minerva in general. But what the hell is everyone doing? Even Athrun takes shit from him...that stupid lil' brat just shouts at every authority that crosses his path. Nobody seems to ever put him into his place and THAT is really necessary.

As you can probably see, in case you're still reading^^, I am definately no supporter of Shinn. I like Kira for his idealism, but my favorite pilot would have to be Shiro Amada from 08th MS Team. Frankly, the whole OAV was a lot more believable in case of character choices. The idea of putting children or teenagers in a warzone was always strange to me...what were they thinking?
Anyways, I still love Gundam, no matter the age of their pilots. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Terracosmo]

Eh, I don't know why all of you are so angry on Shinn's ass, I bet you're just jealous that he got to see Stellar's tits. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif
I love him.

And Kenzaburo the reason to why he has that killing machine is probably not because he's a mature guy but because he's a good pilot whom Gil sees uses for in his grand scheme.

[Kenzaburo]

Good pilot or not, that guy is waaaaay to unpredictable. Even the druggies are more reliable than him. There have to be other good or even ace pilots that are more reliable as a pawn than this selfcentered brat. With the right manipulation you could get Athrun to be your pawn or use Rey instead of Shinn...He's just too much of a risk for any scheme. Only if you're a real player, you would take that risk.
The only thing, that has made him a "good" pilot so far are his lack of concern for others on the battlefield and his SEED mode. If that's all that is to him then I' ll already say my goodbyes to ZAFT. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

And by the way, I couldn't care less about Stellar's tits. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif I just don't like stupid girls, although she was more of a child than stupid, which makes her even more unattractive, when I come to think about it...argh, terra, what are you doing to my mind...?

[fox_t]

Originally posted by: AtHRunOwNZaLL


Originally posted by: fox_t
Kira is my favourite, because of his maturity and leadership.

IMO kira isn't mature at all, he just acts on his emotions and the choices he makes somtimes pisses me off

You seem to have a serious Kira complex.

Clearly, since the second half of SEED, Kira has showed little to no emotion. Most, if not all of his decisions have been pretty level headed since him and athrun had it out.

I don`t know what your deal is but come on, since Lacus has been hiding in Asteroids in space whatever Kira has said has been done. Capt. Ramius was freaking out until Kira sent the a txt from his blackberry and told them to head to the ocean.


also...

I think people hate Shinn because they don`t understand him. We`ve been exposed to too many characters with a higher understanding of what`s really going on. But if you place yourself in Shinn`s position with his knowledge of the situation.

That means all you know is...

You`ve lost your family during a battle in a nation that swore to protect it`s citizens. On top of that you feel guilty because you survived and they did not. Your guilt turns to anger and who else are you going to blame but the very people who swore to protect now. Someone has now given you a MS and you have the power to make a change (a change which you feel is for the better). So much confusion, hate and anger. He`s been mad since episode 1 and he`s still going still determined...how can you not respect a man for trying to take things into his own hands.

Sure he can be immature but if I watched Freedom cut everyone else up on the battlefield and then took him down. I`d be bragging to Athrun too. I think if you understand where Shinn is coming from than you would see that he is one of the more honourable characters in GSD.

Just my opinion though, I think you have to respect him, because he`s never wavered from his ideals since the beginning of the series (not including last episode).

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

Originally posted by: fox_t

I think people hate Shinn because they don`t understand him. We`ve been exposed to too many characters with a higher understanding of what`s really going on. But if you place yourself in Shinn`s position with his knowledge of the situation.

That means all you know is...

You`ve lost your family during a battle in a nation that swore to protect it`s citizens. On top of that you feel guilty because you survived and they did not. Your guilt turns to anger and who else are you going to blame but the very people who swore to protect now. Someone has now given you a MS and you have the power to make a change (a change which you feel is for the better). So much confusion, hate and anger. He`s been mad since episode 1 and he`s still going still determined...how can you not respect a man for trying to take things into his own hands.

Sure he can be immature but if I watched Freedom cut everyone else up on the battlefield and then took him down. I`d be bragging to Athrun too. I think if you understand where Shinn is coming from than you would see that he is one of the more honourable characters in GSD.

Just my opinion though, I think you have to respect him, because he`s never wavered from his ideals since the beginning of the series (not including last episode).

nicely said, i couldn't have said it better

[naruto-kira]

i would understand him and feel for him, but wut he is doing, i cant go with that. its the things he does that i dont give repect...- he jus the same person as any one else, (no one is born evil it jus through bad experience or bad teaching that got him evil.)

if u watch batman, and u believe in this philosiphy...
Its doesn't matter who you really are in the Inside...Its wut you do.. that defines you...?(i dont really believe this)

but he is truely surrounding himself with the wrong people....Gil dont know shit, since he learned from the mask dude from zaft in GS(how smart can he be......???) and something makes me think Gil planned the whole war shit....from the timing where the mobile got stolen by eaf and said, "power is need"(with that smile), meteor insodent in the begining, those men was prolly his tooo.... and that dude that always watch multi TV....i remembered him trying to press a button to stop the airing of Gils speech(its like they're working together), trying to kill Lacus, its all comes out as his evil plan, and Kira had a feeln all along about Gil being not trust worthy...(trying to kill lacus)and him making mobiles when its not suppose to be made... shit....that evil fucker. and remember this, no orb or eaf made (new gundams class mobiles) b4 in the whole GSD...it was all zaft's making......., and zaft is always the people to start shit in GSD.

sorry alot of corrections......

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

Originally posted by: naruto-kira
i would understand him and feel for him, but wut he is doing, i cant go with that. its the things he does that i dont give repect...- he jus the same person as any one else, (no one is born evil it jus through bad experience or bad teaching that got him evil.) but he is truely surrounding himself with the wrong people....Gil dont know shit, since he learned from the mask dude from zaft in GS(how smart cant he be......???) and something makes me think Gil planned the whole war shit....from the meteor insodent from the begining, those men was prolly his tooo....and him making mobiles when its not suppose to be made... shit....that evil fucker. and remember this, no orb or eaf made (new gundams class mobiles) b4 in the whole GS and GSD...it was all zaft's making......., and zaft is always the people to start shit, like bloody valentine and meteor shit, they be starting shit.....

actually the naturals started bloody valentine and that started the war

[naruto-kira]

no its zaft......wtf.....

i dont know the exact name..i forgot since its along time ago since i watch GS, but the part in the begining when zaft blew up the whole base where alot of people lived in or something..and im sure its zaft...

[fox_t]

Originally posted by: naruto-kira
i would understand him and feel for him, but wut he is doing, i cant go with that. its the things he does that i dont give repect...- he jus the same person as any one else, (no one is born evil it jus through bad experience or bad teaching that got him evil.)

if u watch batman, and u believe in this philosiphy...
Its doesn't matter who you really are in the Inside...Its wut you do.. that defines you...?(i dont really believe this)

but he is truely surrounding himself with the wrong people....Gil dont know shit, since he learned from the mask dude from zaft in GS(how smart can he be......???) and something makes me think Gil planned the whole war shit....from the timing where the mobile got stolen by eaf and said, "power is need"(with that smile), meteor insodent in the begining, those men was prolly his tooo.... and that dude that always watch multi TV....i remembered him trying to press a button to stop the airing of Gils speech(its like they're working together), trying to kill Lacus, its all comes out as his evil plan, and Kira had a feeln all along about Gil being not trust worthy...(trying to kill lacus)and him making mobiles when its not suppose to be made... shit....that evil fucker. and remember this, no orb or eaf made (new gundams class mobiles) b4 in the whole GSD...it was all zaft's making......., and zaft is always the people to start shit in GSD.

sorry alot of corrections......

But you can say that because you`re observing from a privileged position. As a third person observer who has seen the events of GS and GSD unfold, you have a greater understanding than a Shinn does. Before episode 31(GS), your mindset was like that of Shinn`s. During episode 30(GS) you were hoping Kira killed Athrun. After episode 31(GS) you also was wondering what was everyone really fighting for. It wasn`t until Cagalli opened Athrun`s eyes that we as an audience truly understood what Waldfeld was talking about. After episode 31, after Kira had his rebirth, we also had ours. Shinn might be surrounding himself with the wrong people, but he`s not evil, it`s just that they`re deceiving him. I think you really have to take that into account when you form an opinion on the type of character Shinn is, he`s not as bad as everyone makes him out to be.

But i do understand where you`re coming from, I found myself wanting Kira to rip impulse to shreds, but that`s just because of my bias towards a Kira whom I`ve watched grow considerably. Taken from an objective perspective Kira and Shinn are really just trying to accomplish the samething. Shinn`s method might be wrong but his heart is in the right place.

[naruto-kira]

i didn't say shinn was a evil person, i said he surround himself with the wrong people, i am going against wut he has done(yes as a 3rd person), wut he done is wrong and immature to me...., if i put myself to his school i would understand how he feel, but i go back to a 3rd person view..what he did is still wrong...., example, if i killed someone, even if i look back and i would still be wrong.

im not saying he is evil, but im saying wut he is doing is wrong...., im not blaming him....and again im saying wut he is doing is wrong....wrong is wrong ,right???

i believe everyone hearts are at the right place, wanting peace world to living in.....

there is war,racisism because people often look at the differences of people instead looking threw the similarities inside, is that all living things has a heart and Same Feelings Inside...
(no one is born evil, its jus through experience and teaching people ideal change.)heart will always remain the same.

the hardest part is always Forgiven part...because one kill's your love ones u want vengence.

[fox_t]

But hopefully, Shinn...like Kira...like Athrun...will have an awakening.

Well I guess he has to otherwise he has to die.

[Splash!]

yeah thats the thing with Shinn, at this stage he is a character very likely to die at the end unless he mends his ways. But if Shinn does die, i am pretty sure he will take down someone really important with him as well, definitely!

[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

Originally posted by: naruto-kira
no its zaft......wtf.....

i dont know the exact name..i forgot since its along time ago since i watch GS, but the part in the begining when zaft blew up the whole base where alot of people lived in or something..and im sure its zaft...

dude bloody valentine was the event when the naturals nuked junius 7

[naruto-kira]

alright forget it..., lets get back to fav gundam pilot. sorry for going off topic...

[bigdaddy843]

Right, fave pilot? Heero, followed by duo (this sounds a bit gay, but he's cute) (i don want any damm deliberation over this homo thing) , Athrun then Kira

oh and theres yzak and dearka almost forgot cos they were sort of sidelined in destiny.

[john_doe_107]

heero should be in he top 5...wing gundam had its limits (whatk ind of crappy gundam has only 3 shots?)
zechs as well..he's very skillful
then is athrun i think..if he put his all in destiny just like he did in seed..shinn won't be as insubortinate
shinn, though i hate him..he's an excellent pilot
the best pilot of them all, of course is kira yamato- best demonstrated during the fight at the desert

so its
1-kira
2-shinn
3-athrun (though i'd really like to put him first)
4-heero
5-zechs

i have not seen any of UC gundam series..sorry about that..and G gundam doesn't count
that said, does anyone know where i can find zeta gundam torrents?

[PSJ]

Boxtorrents got all of Zeta.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: Kenzaburo
Good pilot or not, that guy is waaaaay to unpredictable. Even the druggies are more reliable than him.

What the fuck? No they aren't more reliable than him, and they are also vastly inferior pilots (as evidenced).



There have to be other good or even ace pilots that are more reliable as a pawn than this selfcentered brat.

He is not self-centered. He is naive, and very lonely at heart. Cut him some slack.



The only thing, that has made him a "good" pilot so far are his lack of concern for others on the battlefield and his SEED mode. If that's all that is to him then I' ll already say my goodbyes to ZAFT.

You make it sound like having the SEED mode is a small thing. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif Take a look at all his "few qualities" have done, and you might rethink your foolish ways! (with dramatic music playing)



And by the way, I couldn't care less about Stellar's tits. I just don't like stupid girls, although she was more of a child than stupid, which makes her even more unattractive, when I come to think about it...argh, terra, what are you doing to my mind...?

I don't like stupid girls either, but I like Stellar's tits. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Kenzaburo]

I think they're more reliable in way, because they know how to follow orders, but are not completely lost as soon as there is no higher ranking officer around. Shinn on the contrary gives a shit about orders.
About piloting in general you're, of course, right. They are inferior. But as I pointed out above, this is not about piloting skills.

Naive? Maybe, but definately too much concerned with himself. But just as I said, this is quite usual for a 16 year old. But I won't cut him anything but his stupid head of his shoulders (literally speaking, of course i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif ), because I really don't like the fact, that he just let his insane girlfriend eradicate entire cities and not even acknowledging these acts. I hope that most human beings with even just a little bit of reason would not behave that way, no matter if they love the other person or not. There's no way I would let my girlfriend take the lives of so many people or even give her the chance to do so. (On the other hand most people would probably refrain from eradicating cities, I guess i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif)

SEED mode is by no means a small thing, but I fail to see the use of a pawn/soldier on a rampage and out of control in a game of chess. There are better ways to cause havoc...(triumphant, evil smile appearing on my face, threatening music playing)^^

About that last point of yours...well, ...uhm...good point there. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[Terracosmo]

Shinn probably doesn't care about orders since he never gets punished. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif
The druggies get killed if they don't follow orders. A whole other kind of discipline.

As for Stellar in Destroy and Shinn's sentiments about it all... well, that's easy to say. But are you really so sure? Feelings for a person is a very complex thing. If your girlfriend destroyed a whole city, would your feelings for her fade? If you kill someone, would your mother stop loving you? Not necessarily. But frankly, I doubt that Shinn actually believes that what Stellar did was right. It's just that right now, it's her death that's on his mind because he loved her (or at least cared very deeply for her). Finally, he also knew that she didn't have a saying in at all (and so should you!)

About the chess... well, seeing as Gil is looking rather delighted I'd assume Shinn works quite well in his game. Also, this "rampaging soldier" which according to you can be replaced by something better destroyed both Kira & Athrun, so I'd say that he's doing SOMETHING right won't you agree? (Glorious smile and delighted roars of "YATTA" Azrael-style)

[Kenzaburo]

That is something I really miss, Shinn getting disciplined. Seems like there is a huge lack thereof. But they should've taught him discipline at academy, now it's probably too late.

Would my feelings fade? If my girlfriend had slaughtered so many people? Hard to tell, but I'd say, yeah, they probably would. To make things clear, I was first gonna answer "No, of course, they would not", but when I really think of it...hm, tough one. Anyways, if I was standing next to her with her pointing a gun(a huge one in this case) at group of innocent people with no means to defend themselves and I had the means to stop her, I would do it. I could never bear to live with the memory of just having allowed her to kill 'em. Certainly not an easy choice, but...
And I admit that Stellar was the ultimate pawn. She's not really at fault, but...oh well.

Well, about that SOMETHING: he is a good pilot, I'll give him that. But with a more reliable person all of the additional damage and confusion caused by him could have been minimized. And probably everything would just work out a lil bit smoother. Never use someone hotheaded and slightly "confused" as one of your crucial players. It might be nice for a change or a lil' surprise, maybe, but in the long run this will mess up all your stuff.

With that said, maybe we should be lucky that Dullindal chose him, makes it all the more harder for him to go through with his plan. And to be honest, he's not that good at character judging. He could've known, that Athrun wouldn't like what Gil's planning.

(selfassured wicked grin appearing, a slight chucke can be heard)^^

[Terracosmo]

Hehe.

Well I agree really but then again I think the reason to why Gil has chosen Shinn as his crucial piece is just that.
The fact that he's hotheaded and just too naive (or stupid, if you want to be harsh) to realize that he is a pawn.
Kira would probably notice that he was being used, and Athrun already figured out the truth and left.

[masamuneehs]

Shinn is great but he doesn't have what it takes to be my favorite Gundam pilot of all time.
He is a little too cocky and arrogant, disregards orders and has no respect for his supers. Sure he's a great pilot and is fueled by such raw emotion that its terrific to see him go berserk, but the guy is a retard for the way he handled the breakout with Stellar and trusting Neo (never trust a person whose face you cant see) as well as being a little too stupid sometimes for my taste.

I like Athrun because he is a great overall guy, but like Lunamaria pointed out, is never assertive enough to realize his full potential. He sort of became this listless lignering ghost of himself after episode 28 and only recently gained his resolve. He was my second favorite in Gundam Seed.

Yzak is great for all the reasons Terra and othes have constantly harped on. But the guy is too one-sided, too spiny, and too, well he just yells too much for me to really like. Plus he shot down that civilian shuttle in Seed and I don't think he got what he deserved and a very important event to me was then glossed over and almost forgotten for the rest of the series and covered briefly in Destiny, and we still don't know his real thoughts on it.

Deakka was my favorite Gundam Seed pilot. The mediator, funny and witty, smart enough to know which side to really fight for, handles his encounter with ZAFT afterward perfectly, brave and aggressive in battle, keeps Yzak on a leash. He is just the semi laid back realist that I would admire or at least relate to best.

Nichol was so sweet it almost gave me a cavity.

Then we have Auel Neider, who just didn't get enough screen time to be my favorite overall, but is up there.

And paying respect to the other Gundams:
Char is in the Top 10,
Amuro maybe Top 15,
G-Gundam pilots were all pretty "meh" and I couldn't care much for them, although I did watch the editted Cartoon Network version...
And totally opposite that long series, I really got attached to everyone in 8th MS Team, although it was too short to say any of them are favorites.
Heero Yuy way way down at the bottom,
Wufei Chang at the dead bottom,
Quatre Winner in the Top 10 (I really like the super nice goes, and he really had a huge role in episode 27- 31, where I thought the series finally found its best elements),
Duo Maxwell at 6 or 7 for being a funny guy with a kickass Gundam,
Trowa Barton #2 for being a great guy underneath a stone-cold killer, being the only one smart enough to employ spying and double-dealing against OZ, being pretty suicidal, and always making important points or interesting observations and staying quiet the rest of the time (his talk w/ Noin during the Antartica duel was striking, because it totally went against everything the rest of the characters were hyping up and glorifying.

Then Zechs is #1. Not a bad leader, just faced an unknown adversary with overzealous subordinates. Knew when to keep his love interest out of battle. Was a great, chivalrous, honorable fighter who loved battle not from bloodlust or glory but for personal satisfaction and peace of mind. Also realized, granted a period of some confusion, where he was supposed to be fighting and what to fight for, not just following orders blindly all the time.

Who may trump him? Rey Za Burrell, if he becomes the excellent villain I so see him having the potential to become. I love a good villain, and a smart guy who knows when to speak, how to act in every situation with a level head and respect, ruthlessness towards his enemy (without shooting down shuttles or any BS). The biggest strikes against him are his unwavering loyalty to Gil (which I hope will be covered well in upcoming episodes) and his being emotionally retarded aroudn everyone but Gil. If he wants to control Shinn, he needs to develop some sort of empathy and deeper connection.

And I absolutley HATE Kira Yamato for his goody-two-shoes actions during Destiny and being indestructible when he should be dead. How thefuck did that MS blow up, but the generator didn't? Did it just fall to pieces and cool down instantly because eh flipped a little switch at the last second? Why then wasn't his Phase Armor disengaged and the Beam melt his fucking face off, which is exactly what would have happened to anyone else...Guy is sitting next to a zillion degrees hot sword, a Nuclear Reactor that was just working overtime in an extended battle, and his MS is blowing to pieces, BUT he comes out with NOT A SCRATCH!!! I HATE THAT!!!

[SFreedomZGMFx20a]

Kira Yamato, Period.

[Terracosmo]

"And I absolutley HATE Kira Yamato for his goody-two-shoes actions during Destiny and being indestructible when he should be dead. How thefuck did that MS blow up, but the generator didn't? Did it just fall to pieces and cool down instantly because eh flipped a little switch at the last second? Why then wasn't his Phase Armor disengaged and the Beam melt his fucking face off, which is exactly what would have happened to anyone else...Guy is sitting next to a zillion degrees hot sword, a Nuclear Reactor that was just working overtime in an extended battle, and his MS is blowing to pieces, BUT he comes out with NOT A SCRATCH!!! I HATE THAT!!!"

I agree with masemune here. It fucking sucks when you get the feelings that people can't be hurt. That's what I hate so much with Wing, it just isn't funny when people are invincible.

[MrTicTac]

Gundam pilot who always couldnt get hurt = Amuro Ray, that bastige *shakes fists* he should have died way more times than kira, (note dont know about Zeta or anything only watched a few scattered ep)


and wat was that switch kira pushed? maybe it made it break off (like jettison the suits nuclear core) and thats wat the explosion was

[Motteh]

Originally posted by: MrTicTac
Gundam pilot who always couldnt get hurt = Amuro Ray, that bastige *shakes fists* he should have died way more times than kira, (note dont know about Zeta or anything only watched a few scattered ep)


and wat was that switch kira pushed? maybe it made it break off (like jettison the suits nuclear core) and thats wat the explosion wasit says nuclear reactor shutdown, or something, in episode 33 (from memory)

[Splash!]

You don't hate Shinn terra and he comes out downright as pretty invincilble. The main reason you really hate Kira is coz he owned Yzak

[Terracosmo]

Come back when Shinn has survived 2 explosions. Then we'll talk invincible, buddy.

[Splash!]

I doubt someone will even be able to explode his MS. Thats how invincible Shinn is

[Terracosmo]

This discussion isn't about someone's ability to get their ms blown up, it's about their probability of surviving it.

[masamuneehs]

Originally posted by: PSJ
Boxtorrents got all of Zeta.

I am there with a T-square. I've been waiting.

[PSJ]

Waiting for what? Seeders? I don't got the show so i can't seed it, what are you qouting me for?

[naruto-kira]

i wont hate on kira because he is a goody 2 shoe's......., i wont hate a good person(whats there to hate)... well his ms explode...he didn't get hurt.....i guess there are to many Kira fans out there....my character is related alot to Kira- Ignorant..but follows the heart, sensitive and and cries alot(but dont showing people im crying).

[Kenzaburo]

I still like that theory of Gundams not really blowing up. That's just hilarious...it's all just in our heads...lalala...i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

[MeroTZ]

Originally posted by: Kenzaburo
I still like that theory of Gundams not really blowing up. That's just hilarious...it's all just in our heads...lalala...

Its either that or they line Mobile Suit armor with High Explosives i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif Because the damned things dont normally carry conventional explosive ammunition, and dont have power plants. Batteries dont explode!