The best bloodline??? [Archive]

ChaosK

Wed, 04-20-2005, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by: greateachermin
just to be sure, i'd like to see sasuke pitted against neji some day.... that would be a cool fight

on another note, orochimaru ability to use his tounge and disappearing into trees or grounds, its seems to me like a bloodline... he didnt perform any seals when he did these things... these abilities are pretty cool, it makes him such a delicious villian to figth

its a bloodline as in it follows your blood, oro switches his soul to a different container. He would only be able to use sasuke (if sasuke beats naruto) till sasuke's body aged to around 40 because that would become too old for a ninja and oro would leave sasuke's body which means he would not carry the ability of sharingan with him. Sharingan is to sasuke's BODY not to his soul.

greateachermin

Thu, 04-21-2005, 11:14 AM

so whats your point?

If I was in Huya clan, i'd be pissed off. The Uchiha clan got their eyes from Huyga somewhat, and now they think they're the strongest. But no matter what, I still think the byakugan looks cooler and meaner. The fist time i met Hinata and Neji, i thought, damn they must be really strong and mean just because of their eyes. When I saw Sasuke get the sharingan, I was like... big deal, he cant do shit against Haku anyway.

Assertn

Thu, 04-21-2005, 12:37 PM

everyone always makes a big deal about sharingan coming from byakugan as if its something that happened yesterday

kakashi said that "ITS BEEN SAID that the origin of the sharingan came from the byakugan"
Not only does this imply that its just a theory, but also that its something that has evolved over centuries in the least.

You might as well get pissed off at tall people for originating from short people

greateachermin

Fri, 04-22-2005, 11:52 AM

I wouldnt it was as far back as centuries. Konoha has only been established for at most 3 generations.
Does anyone notice that the first Hokage looks like he is a Byakugan user, he looks like a person from the Huyga clan. Same hair, same eyes.

Fri, 04-22-2005, 12:41 PM

the sharingan is the best bloodline. and whats with all the dumbasses in this thread?

Roko

Fri, 04-22-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by: greateachermin
I wouldnt it was as far back as centuries. Konoha has only been established for at most 3 generations.
Does anyone notice that the first Hokage looks like he is a Byakugan user, he looks like a person from the Huyga clan. Same hair, same eyes.

wtf...are you stupid or what? yes Konoha has only been established for at most 3 generations, BUT that doesn't mean that a clan was formed when a village formed. Take Kimi's clan for example. they were a nomadic tribe that existed waaaaaayyyy before any village and who only fought against other tribes becuase they loved to fight and massacre ppl. a village is only a place for the clan to gather, live, and thrive, not to mention shelter in during times of great need. got it?

Fri, 04-22-2005, 07:28 PM

the sharingan could have been developed as a technique more advanced and better byakugan, thats how i think about it.

Inu-X

Fri, 04-22-2005, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by: greateachermin
Does anyone notice that the first Hokage looks like he is a Byakugan user, he looks like a person from the Huyga clan. Same hair, same eyes.

The first hokage can't be a byakugan user, Tsunade or her brother would likely have the eyes too if he was.

ChaosK

Fri, 04-22-2005, 09:45 PM

if the 1st hokage is a byakugan user he has to be from hyuga and if tsunade was from hyuga i doubt she would be the ninja she is today (as in super strength and medical instead of "aim at tenkesus")

greateachermin

Sun, 04-24-2005, 05:57 PM

ROKO, before u start firing at people, make sure you are 100% right. How do you know the clan was formed for centuries? For all we know it could just have been Neji's grampa that form the Huyga traditions, I could as well say that the Huyga only formed when Konoha was formed. You have no facts to prove me wrong otherwise. Its all just speculations.

Roko

Sun, 04-24-2005, 09:50 PM

hmmm, and Kakashi says that "it is said that the sharingan originates from the byakugan." I wonder why noone knows for sure if both clans have only been established for 3 generations???

Mite Gai

Sun, 04-24-2005, 10:43 PM

I would tell you guys to calm down, but I want to see if this turns into an all out flame war lol.

Assertn

Mon, 04-25-2005, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by: Roko
hmmm, and Kakashi says that "it is said that the sharingan originates from the byakugan." I wonder why noone knows for sure if both clans have only been established for 3 generations???

believe it or not....life DID exist before konoha

If you watch the episode where the anbu talk about the reincarnations of the 1st and 2nd hokage, they mention how the 1st was known for creating peace during the shinobi wars when he founded konoha.

Before konoha, it was just a bunch of scattered clans

PSJ

Mon, 04-25-2005, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by: greateachermin
ROKO, before u start firing at people, make sure you are 100% right. How do you know the clan was formed for centuries? For all we know it could just have been Neji's grampa that form the Huyga traditions, I could as well say that the Huyga only formed when Konoha was formed. You have no facts to prove me wrong otherwise. Its all just speculations.

heard of a thing called common sense? read your own post and try to say that you seriously believe what you wrote.
of course the hyuuga clan didnt form 3 generations back, if it did do you think the eyes would be seen only in konoha? if the clan and the rules didnt apply 100 years before, hyuugas could travel and mate with other people and spread the byakugan. the rules exists to make this not happen so its safe to say that the rules and the clan has been around almost as long as the byakugan has.

sharingan is the strongest, no doubt.

Terracosmo

Mon, 04-25-2005, 03:30 PM

Udon's nose > Mangekyou Sharingan > Byakugan > Regular Sharingan > Kaguya Bones > Haku-clan Iceshit

LobsterMagnet

Mon, 04-25-2005, 04:05 PM

You can all boast about how great the Byakugan and the Sharingan are, but at the end of the day neither are going to go and pick up the remote when you don't feel like getting off your comfy chair/couch. The bugs will do it, hell I'd bet that the bugs can do all kinds of tedious tasks that you don't feel like doing.

Who needs to clean up the room the bugs have everything organized.

Why walk when you can have a carpet of insects to shuttle you around.

No one will ever mess with you because you got 1,000,000 peeps ready to back you up at a moments notice.

Sure you have to let the bugs use your body as a hive but thats just a small price to pay for 1,000,000 plus best friends who do everything you could ever want. You can have your bone and ice bloodlines, I'll stick with my bugs thank you very much.

Terracosmo

Mon, 04-25-2005, 04:31 PM

That's all fine and dandy, except the Aburame bugs isn't a bloodline limit...

Deblas

Mon, 04-25-2005, 05:43 PM

Yea. Its just some freaks who made a deal with chakra eating bugs.

Sam98034

Tue, 04-26-2005, 06:44 AM

I'd take Tsunade's ability and go to Vegas.

basey44

Tue, 04-26-2005, 07:50 AM

but tsunade always loses, when she wins its an omen that something bad has happened or is happening

LobsterMagnet

Tue, 04-26-2005, 03:40 PM

Her bad luck makes her an excellent cooler though. Every Casino would want you if your luck was as bad as hers.

PSJ

Tue, 04-26-2005, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by: LobsterMagnet
You can all boast about how great the Byakugan and the Sharingan are, but at the end of the day neither are going to go and pick up the remote when you don't feel like getting off your comfy chair/couch. The bugs will do it, hell I'd bet that the bugs can do all kinds of tedious tasks that you don't feel like doing.

Who needs to clean up the room the bugs have everything organized.

Why walk when you can have a carpet of insects to shuttle you around.

No one will ever mess with you because you got 1,000,000 peeps ready to back you up at a moments notice.

Sure you have to let the bugs use your body as a hive but thats just a small price to pay for 1,000,000 plus best friends who do everything you could ever want. You can have your bone and ice bloodlines, I'll stick with my bugs thank you very much.

so you're planning on becoming the fattest living person?

ChaosK

Tue, 04-26-2005, 05:24 PM

LOL and lobster to contridict that fact, all a mangekyou sharingan user has to do is glare at some1 in the eyes. Doesnt have to get up. and do you really think the bugs would be able to kick if shino didnt acctually control them?

LobsterMagnet

Tue, 04-26-2005, 06:25 PM

Thats what makes the bugs so great you can do anything you want with them. It's all about the strategy. It's like having an entire army which you can use to do anything you want. As pervert seninin said I could use the bugs to become the fattest person but those were just examples of using the bugs to be lazy.

Bugs are adaptive since you can send them commands on the fly and adjust your strategies. I mean common who dosen't want their own personal army to control? Bugs Kick ass plain and simple. As all of you sharingan supports say about killing people just by looking at them well I can counter that by simply hiding behind a bush or a chair and commanding my insect army to do the dirty work.

LobsterMagnet

Tue, 04-26-2005, 06:26 PM

ah crap, sorry about the double post, happened by accident.

ChaosK

Tue, 04-26-2005, 08:26 PM

seriously though, wat are the bugs going to do to a person? crawl all over them? a guy who can acctually use mangekyou would also be able to use flame (uchiha)

Sam98034

Wed, 04-27-2005, 08:03 AM

bugs are icky. Why would you want to control bugs. That'd be like having the ability to control ugly chicks, who wants that?

basey44

Wed, 04-27-2005, 08:07 AM

but ugly chicks always have at least one friend thats hot, so i guess if u could manipulate it right....

Sam98034

Wed, 04-27-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by: basey_69
but ugly chicks always have at least one friend thats hot, so i guess if u could manipulate it right....

But you couldn't control there hot chick friends, it'd be pointless all you could do is make the ugly chicks tell the hot chick how hot you are, but they decide for themselves. Besides, I thought ugly chicks hung out with uglier/fatter chicks in order to make themselves look better right?

PSJ

Thu, 04-28-2005, 01:49 PM

nah most girls have one hot friend.

Zinobi

Thu, 04-28-2005, 10:21 PM

the best bloodline is well letss see kimimaro's bone manipulation blooline is the best

Darkcarnage

Fri, 04-29-2005, 01:52 PM

hmm the best well each has strong points

sharingan - able to copy any move or skill you ever seen, now taht a pwoer skill(except bloodline limts moves, or moves that take specail training/conditions like regansen, it think i spelled that wrong :-( )
down side you best skill does not work if you do nto catch you foes eyes wiht your own. and to gain the best sharing an you got to kill you best friend.. hmm not sure it worth it........ if the opponet loks at only your feet or lean to fihgt wiht out looking at you face lest you adviod it best skill.

white eyes - able to see 360 around you (except one small spot) able to see through things and able to hits chakra holes
downside a blind spot unles you trained ahrd you not know of and only good for close range combat. did nto see him ever use any other skill but close range hand to hand moves, and throwing stars.

kimimaro's now this seemt o be a over power blood line. internal bone armor, bone weapns and seem to ahve a ultra fast healing rate(other wise the bone skill leave him a holely bleeding mass in 1 min fo combat) and unbreak able bones
downside - now this might not be common for his clan but he seem to ahve a internal problem might be cuased by his own blood line limit, might be cuase of the huge amont of calcuim in side his body(this jsut a guess) or maybe he was jsut very unlucky and got some werid virus unknow at this time.(and personaly i do now ever want to think of ripping out my own spine as a weapn that have to feel creepy as hell and how did he not break his spinal cord???)

i personal i would of liked Mangekyou Sharingan and if i enver used it all the better. the strain and chakra to us it got to be heavey to enter someone mind kick there ass for 72 hours where each sec like a week and do all of this in under a real time sec, i know i would ahve one hell a head ache.

heero

Sat, 04-30-2005, 07:04 PM

I would have to say Byakugan is the best or at least most useful. WIth it you can see 360 degrees which allows u to react to danger from any direction. Plus you can see through things and allows you to see your enemy's "weak points". With Sharigan you can copy other people's moves but what good does it do to do the same thing as your enemy. If you are only as good as he is then it wont lead you anywhere. Mangekyou Sharingan sounds super good in the anime but to me its crappier than the normal sharingan. First of all, the guy need to look at ur eyes for it to work. Plus, it takes a lot of energy to use it, so if it didnt work your screwed. Kimmimaru's bloodline is not bad. WIth those bones your body is close to unbreakable. Even if u "break a bone" you can always grow a new one. But then again, someone could always use a sword or sumthing and chop your head off. So that bloodline is only good when your martial arts skills are as good as kimmimaru's. So I think Byakugan is the best or most useful bloodline...in the real world at least.

Sam98034

Sun, 05-01-2005, 02:32 AM

whichever one lets you look through clothes, byu, shar, or Mang...thats the best one.

Zinobi

Sun, 05-01-2005, 08:33 PM

sam ur a pretty perverted kid or if ur a girl ur also really weird
well i still think kimimaros is the best if u have the same martial arts skills as he does

Sam98034

Mon, 05-02-2005, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by: Zinobi
sam ur a pretty perverted kid or if ur a girl ur also really weird
well i still think kimimaros is the best if u have the same martial arts skills as he does

yeah, the internet is mostly used for porn, occasionally I go here too.

Darkcarnage

Mon, 05-02-2005, 11:19 AM

well each skil onyl works if you good at ahnd to ahdn combat. that a comman groudn will off 3 blood line limits, sharingan let you copy but that not all if you any good wiht it you can "read" you foes movement and with high odd guess how he going to attack and react to that alot fater then you normaly could. wiht balk you need to be every good at close range combat and be able to hit the tentus correctly other why knwoing you foe behidn you does you useful, and kim thing using the bone sword or the finger tip shots all takes good comabt skills. if you suck at fighting you better find another blood line limit or skill tree to use. the bug guy great if you combat skill sucks ass if you not tai-jutus inclined.

the end sharingan the lest tai-jutus gears, it goes over all 3 sskill sets not jsut ahdn to hand, taht why i think sharingan the most balanced and the strongest in the end of everything. i personal like to be immune to all forms of gen-jutus, be able to copy all my foes nin and tai jutus, there fore learn how he attack improving my own and beable to read his movement no matter how fast he is. cuase if you lvoe but live after teh fight you gained alot fo new moves and skills. each fight would amke you taht mcuh harder to defeat.

Sam98034

Mon, 05-02-2005, 02:11 PM

Well each skill only works if you're good at hand to hand combat. That is common ground with all 3 blood-line limits. Sharingan lets you copy, but that's not all it can do. If you're any good with it, you can "read" your foes movements, and with high odds, guess how he's going to attack and react a lot faster than you normaly could. With Byakugan you need to be every good at close range combat and be able to hit the tenketsu correctly. Another useful trait of Byakugan is that you can see foes behind you. Kimimarro's ability lets him use the bone sword or the finger tip shots, both of which require good comabt skills. If you suck at fighting, you better find another blood line limit or skill tree to use. Shino's ability is great if your combat skills sucks ass, if you're not tai-jutsu inclined.

In the end, Sharingan is the least geared towards Tai-jutsu. It goes over all three skill sets, not just hand to hand. That is why I think that sharingan is the most balanced and the strongest blood-line limit in the end. I personally would like being immune to all forms of gen-jutsu while being able to copy all my foes nin and tai jutsu. I will therefor learn how he will attack and be able to read his movements, improving my odds of defeating him, no matter how fast he is. And even if you lose, but live, after the fight, you gained a lot of new moves and skills. Each fight would make you that much harder to defeat.

I TRIED.

WingZero

Tue, 05-03-2005, 03:30 AM

why is it even with those advanced bloodlines, none of them has become the hokage yet?? hmmmm, so those bloodlines don't mean shit..... 3 rd hokage didn't have a bloodline limit

Psyke

Tue, 05-03-2005, 06:23 AM

Having a blood line limit doesn't mean one can be a Kage. Just look at Hinata.

Deblas

Tue, 05-03-2005, 02:53 PM

Also, Having a bloodline doesn't automatically makes you the best there is. They might be naturals, or geniuses like Lee says. But if someone works hard to achieve a goal. Then they will. Damn. I sound like Lee *Sparkly teeth*

Darkcarnage

Tue, 05-03-2005, 03:04 PM

taht very true to be hokage you got to be over all a good ninja. good skills, will power and heart. you the eahd of the vilalge so you must truely care about and strive for the best for everyone :-) to be a kage to be teh father of everyone in the village :-) 3rd and 4th hokage did what they had to and cuase of taht everyone lvoe and repected them for it.

a blood line limit jsut mean you got great options what you do with it desides what you will become, like itachi killed his whole clan and became a miss-nin if he did not do that he could fo well became a kage if he had the heart for it i think(lest how he acted when in nice mood with saskue)

p.s. sorry for any miss type of the like at work and a very crapy comuter + my crappy typing skills lol

Mephiston Hunter

Tue, 05-03-2005, 05:17 PM

What was Haku's bloodline limit called? I went to the Naruto-Kun.com site, but it didn't have it. Was it not mentioned? Or, is it not a bloodline.
-Meph

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Zinobi

Tue, 05-03-2005, 08:01 PM

i think that Rock Lee is a genius cuz hes like what 14 or 15 (i have no clue) and opens 5 of the 8 gates and from kakashis mouth "Maybe he is a genius" im pretty surte thats what he said so i would have a combo of byakugan, kimimaros, and Lees if he is a genius

basey44

Tue, 05-03-2005, 10:35 PM

lee is just a genius of hard work

Zinobi

Tue, 05-03-2005, 11:17 PM

oh yah id like to see you open 5 gates of chakra J/K
yah but hes young kakashi cant even open i think 2 because he seems strong enough to open one

Deblas

Wed, 05-04-2005, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by: Zinobi
oh yah id like to see you open 5 gates of chakra J/K
yah but hes young kakashi cant even open i think 2 because he seems strong enough to open one

He doesn't need to learn to open the gates when he can just copy them with the sharingan.

Mut

Wed, 05-04-2005, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by: Deblas

Originally posted by: Zinobi
oh yah id like to see you open 5 gates of chakra J/K
yah but hes young kakashi cant even open i think 2 because he seems strong enough to open one

He doesn't need to learn to open the gates when he can just copy them with the sharingan.
You can't copy opening gates. That's ridiculous.

Wed, 05-04-2005, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by: Zinobi
oh yah id like to see you open 5 gates of chakra J/K
yah but hes young kakashi cant even open i think 2 because he seems strong enough to open one

dumbest. comment. ever.

Zinobi

Wed, 05-04-2005, 07:23 PM

hey thanx alot -Sharingan-Kakashi- and why does your sig have itachi not kakashi huh!?!? u are real nice but anyways i waqs very tired and coul not think straight

drcitan

Wed, 05-04-2005, 09:33 PM

'YOU GUYS ARE NUTS" Micheal Jordan Space Jams. The best bloodline would have to be the sharingan cuz you could play any sport and dominate. Boxing George Foreman and beating da shit outta him wit da Foreman Grill

Psyke

Thu, 05-05-2005, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Deblas

Originally posted by: Zinobi
oh yah id like to see you open 5 gates of chakra J/K
yah but hes young kakashi cant even open i think 2 because he seems strong enough to open one

He doesn't need to learn to open the gates when he can just copy them with the sharingan.
You can't copy opening gates. That's ridiculous.

Some people seem to think too highly of the sharingan. If you think about it, the reason why Sharingan users can "copy" jutsus it's because the Sharingan has amazing observational and analytical skills. They can view most ninjutsu, taijutsu once and remember it, even complex seals isn't a problem. The sharingan user can immediately see through any form of genjutsu as well (excluding those from the mangekyou sharingan).

Basically, the sharingan is just a really good eye with the above powers. It doesn't give you chakra, and doesn't do anything physical to your body. That's why it can't copy bloodline limits! Because bloodline limits require some form of physical traits from the clan which is passed down generation to generation.

So, so what mut@t@ said, it is ridiculous for Kakashi to copy the opening of the gates as it is a physical jutsu. I don't mean that Kakashi cannot open any gates, I just mean that he cannot COPY it. Hope this clears things up for those who still think the sharingan is invincible.

Darkcarnage

Thu, 05-05-2005, 07:40 AM

that is true sharingan can't copy bloodline limits or moves that one to work, like demonic ice mirrors, garra sand sheild or shino bugs or moves that require speical training like regansen or summoning moves(cuase you got to make a pact with the summon first)

sharingan is not unstopable but it seem the best pick of a blood line limit so far at anyrate, lest in my option anyway. i could never get used to see 360 the white-eyes i would get such a huge headache form it lol.

Death BOO Z

Thu, 05-05-2005, 09:51 AM

while i agree with the saying that the Sharingan is an optical enchatment to the eye and gives you better eyesight and analyzing abilities, it still doesn't explain a few things.
1. In the forest of death, Sasuke saw the rain nins create clones from the shadows and was able to tell them apart from the real enemies, that shouldn't be possible without an ability to see chackra like the byakougan.
2. Genjutsu isn't a pyshical 'attack', it effects one mentally, so again, the Sharingan should be useless against it, and yet, Kakashi said that the sharingan allowes the user to read through it.

a better explantion is that the sharingan is Kishimoto's favorite word and now he's fallen in love with the damn concept, look forward to the special ending chapter 'Sasuke developes the sharingan and sees throught the universe to understand the meanning of existence. and then drops is cuz he likes being an angst ridden teenager'.

Really, I tell, that's what we have waiting for us in the end.

Psyke

Thu, 05-05-2005, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
while i agree with the saying that the Sharingan is an optical enchatment to the eye and gives you better eyesight and analyzing abilities, it still doesn't explain a few things.
1. In the forest of death, Sasuke saw the rain nins create clones from the shadows and was able to tell them apart from the real enemies, that shouldn't be possible without an ability to see chackra like the byakougan.
2. Genjutsu isn't a pyshical 'attack', it effects one mentally, so again, the Sharingan should be useless against it, and yet, Kakashi said that the sharingan allowes the user to read through it.

a better explantion is that the sharingan is Kishimoto's favorite word and now he's fallen in love with the damn concept, look forward to the special ending chapter 'Sasuke developes the sharingan and sees throught the universe to understand the meanning of existence. and then drops is cuz he likes being an angst ridden teenager'.

Really, I tell, that's what we have waiting for us in the end.

For the 2 points you've written, it seems you are refering to Genjutsu alone. The bushins created by the rain nins are fake, used to fool ones's eyes. This apparently doesn't work on a Sharingan user as explained by Kakashi. Thus, anything a Genjutsu uses to trick the opponents' eyes will not work on a Sharingan user. Eg. Bushins, illusions, hypnosis, etc.

Darkcarnage

Thu, 05-05-2005, 12:00 PM

psyke right the rain ninja made Bushins (clones, illusions) not Bushins kage (shadow clone, real bodies)

got to remember Sharingan we finding out is a eyes sight that seem to be gear to using gen-jutus, both kakashi and itachi used it to use gen-jutus on poepl at difent times (kakashi vs zabua so he could copy a move before he used it, and itachi, well we see his other world eyes skill that is Sharingan/Uchia only move)

it seem nothign can tell a shadow clone from the normal person, it ahve a body, smell, feel and everything teh ninja making them does, only way i see you can find the ninja using it not lose sight of him when he first started it, but it the get mixed up you going to ahve to fight your way through them to the the real one again

Death BOO Z

Thu, 05-05-2005, 04:21 PM

Psyke, so you mean that the genjutsu is failing becuase the sharingan sees the points where the illusion isn't coresponding with reality? like and edited photoshop image or a blue background screen thing on the TV?

still doesn't explain stuff such as sleeping genjutsu, and defintally not genjutsu which isn't based on sight, which it seems the sharingan is also immune to.

ChaosK

Thu, 05-05-2005, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by: Psyke

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
while i agree with the saying that the Sharingan is an optical enchatment to the eye and gives you better eyesight and analyzing abilities, it still doesn't explain a few things.
1. In the forest of death, Sasuke saw the rain nins create clones from the shadows and was able to tell them apart from the real enemies, that shouldn't be possible without an ability to see chackra like the byakougan.
2. Genjutsu isn't a pyshical 'attack', it effects one mentally, so again, the Sharingan should be useless against it, and yet, Kakashi said that the sharingan allowes the user to read through it.

a better explantion is that the sharingan is Kishimoto's favorite word and now he's fallen in love with the damn concept, look forward to the special ending chapter 'Sasuke developes the sharingan and sees throught the universe to understand the meanning of existence. and then drops is cuz he likes being an angst ridden teenager'.

Really, I tell, that's what we have waiting for us in the end.

For the 2 points you've written, it seems you are refering to Genjutsu alone. The bushins created by the rain nins are fake, used to fool ones's eyes. This apparently doesn't work on a Sharingan user as explained by Kakashi. Thus, anything a Genjutsu uses to trick the opponents' eyes will not work on a Sharingan user. Eg. Bushins, illusions, hypnosis, etc.

the sharingan CAN see chakra flow. kakashi said it couldnt see tenkutsus. If you read manga NOTE: SPOILERS AT RISK

obito see's the invisible earth guy right after he gets sharingan and kakashi gets his left eye taken out.

Thu, 05-05-2005, 10:20 PM

On that note, if the Sharingan can track and copy the flow of chakra, Sasuke should have been able to duplicate the Rasengan, unless it requires more power than Sasuke has in total.

Roko

Thu, 05-05-2005, 11:10 PM

But then rasengan doesn't use any seals. And from what Jiraiya was saying, the chakra flow in rasengan is comepletely random, so every rasengan naruto does should be different, since the chakra flow is different each time. Maybe Sasuke's too much of an idiot to figure out how to copy it.

On 2nd thought, sasuke copied Lee's speed, but wasn't able to use it until Kakashi trained him in it.

XanBcoo

Fri, 05-06-2005, 12:58 AM

That's because he lacked the speed needed to keep up with what he saw. I think it was Lee who said that. That unless Sasuke is able to keep up with movements, he can't copy them effectively. Sasuke could copy Lee's techinques (creating the Lion combo), but yes, it wasn't until he was able to move as fast as Lee that he could copy his fighting style.
Maybe it's similar w/the rasengan.

Psyke

Fri, 05-06-2005, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
Psyke, so you mean that the genjutsu is failing becuase the sharingan sees the points where the illusion isn't coresponding with reality? like and edited photoshop image or a blue background screen thing on the TV?

still doesn't explain stuff such as sleeping genjutsu, and defintally not genjutsu which isn't based on sight, which it seems the sharingan is also immune to.

Genjutsu in Japanese refers to illusion techniques, which means tricking the opponent with fake images, hypnotism, etc. I'm not too sure about the sleeping genjutsu, but I don't think sharingan users would be affected as it is still, ultimately an illusion which must first require the opponent to open his/her eyes.

Hakeem_21

Sat, 05-07-2005, 03:45 PM

Sasuke cant copy Rasengan cause it isnt a thecnique you cant copy with i think so cause if Sasuke could copy it he would already do it after he saw how much powerful than the chidori it is.
I think the reason he cant copy rasengan is that he doesnt have as big chakra as Naruto has, Jiraya did say that Naruto is the only one that can learn rasengen cause he is the only one with chakra big enough and you have to learn something after you copied it to use it just like Sasuke did with Lee's speed and move.

XanBcoo

Sat, 05-07-2005, 04:25 PM

makes sense I guess.
But in terms of power, aren't the two pretty similar. When Chidori and Rasengan clashed...sasuke won, didn't he. By "won" I mean he was less affected.
And the sharingan doesn't only copy jutsus. Sasuke copied that guy's handwriting, and Kakashi copied Zabuza's movements. So wouldn't copying the actions to perform rasengan be similar to that?

Hakeem_21

Sat, 05-07-2005, 06:18 PM

Yeah but once again you need to have very big chakra to make Rasengan thats what Jiraya said and if you copy how to do rasengan but not have the chakra then you havent gain anything. When Chidori and Rasengan clashed nobody won they both got blown away.

Death BOO Z

Sat, 05-07-2005, 07:15 PM

xanbcoo
A. sure, you can say it's quite similiar in power (espically since Naruto uses the Rasengan exactly like a chidori blow), but Jiriya said that the Rasengan is more powerful, Kakashi said that had he not interfered, Sasuke would have been killed, and the Chidori needs much more chackra to create the same amount of power.
B. you understand that when we say 'copying jutsu' it means copying the movements (hand seals, usually, but also fighting style) used, he doesn't watch a fireball and understands a katon movement, he's watching the action which leads to the fireball. The Rasengan isn't copyable (as far as we know), since the movement is chackra movement, not pyshical. of course, if the Sharingan can see chackra movement then it's probably possible to copy it, but let's leave it out for now.

I don't think that the Rasengan needs that much chackra to operate, and since Sasuke can extract enough chackra to make it visible on his hands, i believe that he's got enough chackra to do a rasengan, at least a few of them, if not more.

Hakeem_21

Sat, 05-07-2005, 07:40 PM

Death Boo Z:

You gotta reread the chaps Jiraya learned Naruto the rasengan cause he said clearly that you must have a HUGE amount of chakra to be able to do rasengan. Maybe thats why only the fourth,Jiraya and Naruto can do it two legendary ninjas and one chakra freak i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif Also beeing able to a chidori once or max twice and doing 100's rasengan as Naruto did when he trained how to do rasengan shows clearly that is no use for Sasuke to try to copy rasengan.
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Sam98034

Sun, 05-08-2005, 03:10 AM

sorry to not be helpful or anything...but who cares why he can't copy the Rasengan? The fact is he can't. If he could, he would have done it. You can *make up* all the reasons you want for why he can't do it, but I can say it's because Sasuke doesn't have the arm strength because he doesn't beat off as much as Naruto, and you can't prove me wrong.

Itachi_y2k5

Sun, 05-08-2005, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by: Hakeem_21
Death Boo Z:

You gotta reread the chaps Jiraya learned Naruto the rasengan cause he said clearly that you must have a HUGE amount of chakra to be able to do rasengan. Maybe thats why only the fourth,Jiraya and Naruto can do it two legendary ninjas and one chakra freak Also beeing able to a chidori once or max twice and doing 100's rasengan as Naruto did when he trained how to do rasengan shows clearly that is no use for Sasuke to try to copy rasengan.
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I Agree, chidori is enough anyways, and it would be boring if sasuke had kyuubi and sharingan

Zinobi

Sun, 05-08-2005, 09:44 PM

how do you get sigs? cuz i see awsome ones like -Sharingan-Kakashi-'s and Itachi_y2k5 and i want one
oh and if you guys dont mind i would like to combine sharingan and bomne manipulation(kimimaro)

Uchiha Barles

Mon, 05-09-2005, 12:38 AM

Sharingan, hands down. You stand to learn a new technique almost every battle, and for hand to hand combat, nothing beats it. Combining offensive timing with where your opponent is most probably going to move is awesome.

Darkcarnage

Mon, 05-09-2005, 01:00 PM

Sharingan i'll keep ym vote for this. cuase of it pwoer to learn any move but one you need training for (like incressing you speed or chakra control/amount) and of course bloodline limits. besides that it seemt o ahve the most pwoer and protental around.

also even if you foe faster then you if you can see his movements and chkra flow you can guess where he going to be and attack/block and get ti right like 90% + of the time and seem to be a even match(like in eps 133) that alone make ti worth while and being immuin from gen jutus is a very nice bouns. now if we seem more limits show up i'll might change my mind but as is wihyt only 3 limits on teh baord i stick to Sharingan hands down.

as for regansen it takes. alot fo chakra, praticed chakra control and focus and as well consertration (not sure if Sasuke even knwo about this on ? ) also teh chakra gather in to his body and then release in his ahnd and keep in a orb. that can be ahrd to copy cuase you mgiht see how chkra moves and how it done, but seeing and able to do it some times totaly diffent. all Sasuke sees is a spinning orb of chakra, but not how it keep in a orb or how it amde to randomly rotate.

regansen vs lighting edge each has good points.
lighting edge and pounch through and defence or armor in a single quick hit while regansen more digs it way in to it target ribbing it apart layer by layer. light when they fighting aoi who had teh lighting god sword regansen did the first time 0 damage to it but lighting edge cracked it. but regansen do more damge cuase it hit a bigger area and can dig out a huge area making a wound very pained or destroly a whoel door instead of poking a hole in it.

Mut

Mon, 05-09-2005, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by: Zinobi
how do you get sigs? cuz i see awsome ones like -Sharingan-Kakashi-'s and Itachi_y2k5 and i want one
oh and if you guys dont mind i would like to combine sharingan and bomne manipulation(kimimaro)
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Strider

Thu, 05-12-2005, 09:51 AM

Sharingan has "dangerously awesome" (inside joke) potential. However, the Byakugan is just so god damn elite to me. It looks wicked, has insane insight and it just sounds coo' to say! Byakugan! Byakugan! .. Like you guys have never just said it to yourself before. Hrmph.

// Strider. Out.

Weilun

Mon, 05-16-2005, 05:55 PM

yea i love the byakugan! earlier in the anime, it is said that all doujutsus can see thru any ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu. do byakugan can definitely do it as well as sharingan. and byakugan looks so much meaner lest the opponent die of fright.

ChaosK

Tue, 05-17-2005, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by: Strider
Sharingan has "dangerously awesome" (inside joke) potential. However, the Byakugan is just so god damn elite to me. It looks wicked, has insane insight and it just sounds coo' to say! Byakugan! Byakugan! .. Like you guys have never just said it to yourself before. Hrmph.

// Strider. Out.

ok i have done that b4 but...jus wondering whats the point of ur "strider out" thing?

Strider

Wed, 05-18-2005, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo

Originally posted by: Strider
Sharingan has "dangerously awesome" (inside joke) potential. However, the Byakugan is just so god damn elite to me. It looks wicked, has insane insight and it just sounds coo' to say! Byakugan! Byakugan! .. Like you guys have never just said it to yourself before. Hrmph.

// Strider. Out.

ok i have done that b4 but...jus wondering whats the point of ur "strider out" thing?

Enlighten yourself. (http://forums.gotwoot.net/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=14807&STARTPAGE= 4&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear)

Post isn't long enough to do it, now.

ShaneLong

Tue, 06-07-2005, 08:48 PM

Kimimarus bloodline is awsome! its strong and if he wasnt weak...he coulda kicked ass...

naruto-ton

Mon, 07-04-2005, 05:57 PM

i thought as kakashi explain bakyuugen is a evolve sharigan. btw i like haku's blood line the most.

Jaredster

Mon, 07-04-2005, 06:17 PM

Ahh, old thread.

And no, Byakugan is not a evolved Sharingan. It is believed to be genetically related to the Sharingan.

naruto-ton

Mon, 07-04-2005, 06:20 PM

i think overall byakugan is stronger than your avg sharigan, but if its magou sharigan, then its a different lv, since it was said hyuuga family is the strongest family of konoha not uchiha

Jaredster

Mon, 07-04-2005, 06:38 PM

They both have their outstanding abilitys. Byakugan gives more insight than the sharingan does, but can't copy moves.

naruto-ton

Mon, 07-04-2005, 07:04 PM

sharigan cant copy moves..... it jus that their eyes can catch speed really good, sorta like things moving in slow motion when its moving fast, so they can copy the hand seals and sharigan can c the amout of chakara they can use so they activate that much about of chakara too, thats mainly how they copy it... and byakugan has that microscopic eyes thats why they can c the spores threw people skin. and hyuuga users release chakara in there spores so they know where's the movements coming from and then react to it. byakugan has more ability than sharigan, so byakugan is my pick.

The Heretic Azazel

Mon, 07-04-2005, 08:26 PM

No, the sharingan copies moves... like all the jutsus Kakshi uses except Chidori were copied from other people.

Jaredster

Mon, 07-04-2005, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by: naruto-ton
sharigan cant copy moves..... it jus that their eyes can catch speed really good, sorta like things moving in slow motion when its moving fast, so they can copy the hand seals and sharigan can c the amout of chakara they can use so they activate that much about of chakara too, thats mainly how they copy it... and byakugan has that microscopic eyes thats why they can c the spores threw people skin. and hyuuga users release chakara in there spores so they know where's the movements coming from and then react to it. byakugan has more ability than sharigan, so byakugan is my pick.

Have you watched Naruto?

Here is the article for the Sharingan on Wikipedia, because I am to lazy to explain it:

The Sharingan (Literally "Copy Wheel Eye") is a special type of pupil that naturally occurs in some members of the Uchiha clan, which allegedly evolved from the Byakugan (See above) and allows the user to do to a number of things. The Sharingan's first and most well known ability is to memorize any technique that it is a witness to. It can memorize ninjutsu (ninja techniques), genjutsu (illusionary techniques), and taijutsu (hand-to-hand techniques) with perfect accuracy and allow the user to use the techniques. Second, it is capable of a unique brand of hypnosis that involves suggesting actions and thoughts to the opponent. Third, it can see through any illusionary techniques. Fourth, it has the ability to predict (and copy) an opponent's movement as well as allowing sight of fast moving objects with great clarity.

The weakness of the Sharingan is that, in some cases, it drains chakra quickly. In order to copy a jutsu, one has to have the physical ability to perform the technique. For example, they have to have the needed amount of chakra, stamina, agility, and/or strength in order to perform technique. In addition to physical skill, the Sharingan cannot copy any other bloodline abilities or summon a creature he has not made a contract with.

The Sharingan does not automatically appear from birth in a user; instead, it will usually appear when the user is in life threatening situation, where the power of the Sharingan will save the user. After this first appearance, the user can then call up the Sharingan any time he or she pleases. The power of the Sharingan is judged through the number of comma-like dots, called tomoe, in the person's eye. It is not unheard of for a Sharingan user to have different amounts of dots in each eye. For example, Sasuke's Sharingan initially had two dots in one eye and one dot in the other. Eventually his Sharingan evolved to two dots in each eye, then three. An "adult" and fully matured Sharingan has three dots in each eye.

The worst possible match-up for a Sharingan user such as Sasuke is a Taijutsu specialist such as Rock Lee. While still being able to read, copy and react to high-level Taijutsu, Sharingan users may lack the strength, agility and stamina to keep up with it. Also, the lack of chakra focusing or hand seals required for Taijutsu gives the Sharingan user much less time to react to their opponent's movements.

Characters who possess the Sharingan include Uchiha Sasuke, Uchiha Itachi, and Hatake Kakashi.

naruto-ton

Tue, 07-05-2005, 01:33 AM

yes i have watched naruto, but im puting sharigan in more detail because copying does not explain good enuff, gotta know the details- and that from watching naruto, as u can c naruto vs sasuke battle, how he was decribing the effects of his sharigan, he c naruto in slow motion coming at him, so he could counter. memory can be one too.(memory of hand seals or movement)
but if u talking about sharigan copying resengan we know that is impossible. or kakashi or sasuke would have copied it or some other user would have coppied it. copying is a too general word. and i dout taijutsu will work on sharigan well, because it read movements so well and being able to dodge them. like wut sasuke did to naruto, (read his movements) kakashi is not even true bloodline i dout he has the true abilities. also as sasuke explain, with sharigan he could conserve chakara not waste them, becuase....he stop using useless movements which equal saving stamina/energy, enery/stamina = chakara converted. another theory why itatchi sharigan is always on.

Death BOO Z

Tue, 07-05-2005, 05:02 AM

there's a page about the sharingan in wikipedia?
god, in times like this i wish that freedom of speech wasn't invetnted....

anyway, Naruto-ton is right, the sharingan sees movements in super slow motion and super high defintion, so it allows a smart user (remember, before being the clan of the sharingan, the Uchiha clan is a clan of geniuses) to mimic the movment, be it hand seals (and therefore most ninjutsu) or other stuff (taijutsu), the part about seeing through genjutsu is a bit tricky, but i'm willing to suck it up and say that the ultra sight of the sharingan allows the user to detect the contradicting parts of the genjutsu (the places where the illusion isn't complete) or whatever, i can't reallt explain what happened in the forest of shadows, though, seeing as it was spesically told that the sharingan doesn't see chackra.

and for chackra consumption, it's obvious that the main part of it comes from actaully using the sharingan to look around, as seen by kakashi, who has the sharingan activated all the time, without major chackra drain, but when he starts using it in battle, the chcara consumption goes high up.

as for the so called weakness to taijutsu, it's not as much as a weakness as it is a lack of resistment ability, having the sharingan doesn't make someone's pyshical fighting worse, it's simply that pyshical ability can't be changed so much during a fight (unless you're a sayian), so if the enemy is faster than you, he'll stay faster than you and no matter how good the sharingan is, you won't be able to do zit aganist him.

Itachi's sharingan is by no chance always on, it's like how, lets say, Orochimaru always says 'kukukuku', it's obvious that there are times where he speaks normlly and doesn't neccerally spit out evil ideas, it's just that in order to express how evil he really is, we only see him do so. same with Itachi, Kishimoto wants us to know that Itachi is evil and badass, so he keeps showing us him with the sharingan on, it doesn't mean that Itachi brushes his theeth with it and eats cerieal while seeint the milk currents in the bowl. (though it may be good for brushing one's theeth, see all the flack and scrub it off).

oh, and for the Zabuza fight, i've given up on explainning it, people are too idiotic to figure out on thier own, and won't listen when someone details stuff for them, so i'll act all mysterious and say that Haku's reading of the trick was wrong, as for the rest, think it up yourself.

Jaredster

Tue, 07-05-2005, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
there's a page about the sharingan in wikipedia?
god, in times like this i wish that freedom of speech wasn't invetnted....

anyway, Naruto-ton is right, the sharingan sees movements in super slow motion and super high defintion, so it allows a smart user (remember, before being the clan of the sharingan, the Uchiha clan is a clan of geniuses) to mimic the movment, be it hand seals (and therefore most ninjutsu) or other stuff (taijutsu), the part about seeing through genjutsu is a bit tricky, but i'm willing to suck it up and say that the ultra sight of the sharingan allows the user to detect the contradicting parts of the genjutsu (the places where the illusion isn't complete) or whatever, i can't reallt explain what happened in the forest of shadows, though, seeing as it was spesically told that the sharingan doesn't see chackra.

Then someone with the Byakugan should be able to copy moves too, since byakugan has better insight than the sharingan.

He didn't see the chakra of the immitations in the Forest of Shadows, he saw that they were replications.

naruto-ton

Tue, 07-05-2005, 02:38 PM

insight doesn't mean it has the ability c things in slow motion, its like a microsopic eyes. doesn't mean he could hit a 100 mile fast ball pitch (an example).

Rhanfahl

Wed, 07-06-2005, 11:00 PM

They're two related but completely different eyes

Sharingan - Copy moves, Pre-voyant (see ahead of time), Allows Illusionary moves (Mangekyou), protection from genjutsu

Byakugan - Clairvoyant (Omnivision), Pre-voyant, sees chakra/tenketsu (allows Ju-ken), protection from some genjutsu

Alike but totally different.

Edit::

Edited my stupid fucking grammar...sorry

XanBcoo

Thu, 07-07-2005, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
oh, and for the Zabuza fight, i've given up on explainning it, people are too idiotic to figure out on thier own, and won't listen when someone details stuff for them, so i'll act all mysterious and say that Haku's reading of the trick was wrong, as for the rest, think it up yourself.

Would you mind explaining this? It's something I've always been confused about (assuming you're talking about Kakashi and Zabuza's first tussle).

I pretty much agree with the idea that a sharingan has the "Copy" abiltiy only because it can see things in slow motion. It seems it also has the ability to remember them (ie. allows the user to perform them again - automatically perhaps?? I dunno). These two factors would indeed produce the ability to "copy".

Also, when was it said that the sharingan can't see chakra?

and what exactly is "insight" ?? Is it the abilty to read the opponent or just better vision? or both?

Death BOO Z

Thu, 07-07-2005, 06:59 PM

god', it's probably useless to try explainning, since you need to use BRAINS and LOGIC to get it, but i'll try anyway.

the first thing we need to establish is that Kakashi can NOT see the future or read minds, if you don't know that by now, you can stop reading.
however, Kakashi did manage to do a water jutsu before Zabuza completed the seals. so the obvious explenation is that Kakashi has already known the jutsu, right?
following that logic, we can assume that he knows other water jutsus already, such as the water clone and the dragon blast. so basically, he didn't copy anything from Zabuza, at least not anything important.
so the first part of the battle is fairly uncomplicated, Kakashi sets up the mood for Zabuza to be safe in his assumeption that he can use his movement once before they'd be countered.

now, they go into the circular motion, Kakashi uses his Sharingan to copy Zabuza's movements and then uses his superior speed to make it seem that they move at the same pace. same thing with completing zabuza's sentences.
now, Kakashi creates an illusion of Zabuza, which is performind some seal, and thus distrupting Zabuza from completing the justu he was about to make, while Kakashi is left free to blast away Zabuza with a diffrent jutsu.

at least that's how i see it, unless you think that Kakashi is some super psychic witch man who sees the future and controls other peoples minds.

Edit: you're right, I shouldn't have said said all that, it's simply that last time i tried explainning everything, people shouted at me that my explannation is too hard for them to comprehand, and that i'm a big fucking liar. which might be true, depending to who you ask. However, those were the same people who said that Kakashi has copied the Kagebunshin no justu from Naruto and learned how to open the gates from Lee, so that just shows how much you can trust them...

as for why you shouldn't believe in what was said in the anime, if you remember, at the end of that fight, Kakashi creates a large amount of clones to scare the enemies off, right? and he calls them "shadow clones", isn't that correct? however, basing ourselves on the fact that Kakashi has said himself that he was out of chackra and that he can try and bluff them a bit, it's easy to conclude that the jutsu used was normal clonning right?
so there you have it, a proof that the manga sometimes plays with your head, i guess Kishimoto had the entire 'beanth the underground' crap going through his head in that time, now he's got the 'my power level is higher than yours' crap.

XanBcoo

Thu, 07-07-2005, 07:49 PM

WTF is w/that brains and logic crack? That's not what I thought at all... Especially since most of this was explained IN the fuckin' anime.
Don't make the assumption that I'm a brainless narutard. Jerk

In any case, I've always assumed what you described is what happened (that is, the fact that kakashi already knew the water blast jutsu). However, I think he copied the other jutsus on the spot (the water bunshin and the water dragon I mean). In whichever case, the sharingan's power is sported pretty well - which was the purpose of those scenes.

I think the part that actually confused me was when Zabuza saw himself. I've never been sure if that was a jutsu, or if Zabuza was just freaking out 'cause he was scared shitless that kakashi was some sort of psychic. So your explanation for this is just speculation, as we never see kakashi perform any seals for the supposed genjutsu. Also, I think the fact that kakashi could finish zabuza's sentences was a little farfetched. That's all.

naruto-kira

Thu, 07-07-2005, 11:51 PM

quote- Byakugan - Clairvoyant (Omnivision), Pre-voyant, sees chakra/tenketsu (allows Ju-ken), protection from some genjutsu

prevoyant- byakugan dont really c ahead of time, because unlike sharigan it doesn't c things in slow motion. the reason neji can block attack from behind is because byakugan got a certain radius of sense, i dont know how to explain it, but sorta fly, when u try to attack it, it feels your coming and it flies away.that...and he could release a radius or chakara in his spores so when something is coming from somewhere he could feel it behind...explained in the anime and manga during the neji and spiderman battle(forgot actual name).

|3UCK W1LD

Sat, 07-09-2005, 02:00 PM

Byakugan vs Sharingan who wuld win?
I like Byakugan is better cuz they have 2 learn a special type of taijutsu so it makes them a lot stronger wit their skills and actually have a family run style of fighting so it's cool. While sharingan copies everything and so far 2 my knowing only has 1 family skill that fire ball thing,plus sharingan cant copy taijutsu 2 well so Byakugan wuld win

pressure point fighting vs copying

i think the winner wuld be the 1 wit more experience in battle cuz that culd make the battle go 1 way cuz these bloodline limits are 2 cooli/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

masamuneehs

Sun, 07-10-2005, 08:37 PM

Dude I could never have bugs inside me... Thats just too creepy.

And Sharingan probably does own Byakugan because of the ability to copy moves, use crazy genjutsu and see almost into the future against an enemy.

Kimimaro's bloodline is probably the ultimate defensive bloodline technique (Gaara's was a summon or some sort of spell, not a bloodline) but offense is where it is at!

I wonder if/when there will be psychic ninjas with In your head bloodline techniques and the ability to move things without actually touching them. That would be my choice for ultimate bloodline

Psyke

Mon, 07-11-2005, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
Dude I could never have bugs inside me... Thats just too creepy.

And Sharingan probably does own Byakugan because of the ability to copy moves, use crazy genjutsu and see almost into the future against an enemy.

The seeing into the future thing was a hoax as explained by Zabuza way back in the first arc. And I believe the genjutsu you're refering to is the Mangekyou's Tsukiyomi. Don't think I've seen the rest of the Sharingan users use genjutsu....

XanBcoo

Mon, 07-11-2005, 04:29 PM

I think masamuneehs was referring to the fact that the sharingan could foresee people's movements (ala the Naruto and Sasuke fight when Sasuke activates the third dot-thingy).

I'm a fan of the Byakugan meeself.

darkshadow

Mon, 07-11-2005, 07:05 PM

well that still isnt foreseeing, all it did was show how naruto's moves were gonna end as he started something, like naruto raising his arm and the sharingan than using that as base on where its gonna end, if some1 fights at at normal speed against you, your brain does the same thing, its just because naruto moving at high speed his normal eyes and thus his brain can no longer keep up, the 3rd dot sharingan can

Rhanfahl

Mon, 07-11-2005, 11:56 PM

Well, its pointless in arguing any of this cause there is no basis on how any can be better, especially with the whole "battle of the eyes" thing.

All I want to clear up is that when I was talking about the visions of the eyes, I meant to say that both have a pre-insight as to see what is going to happen immediately before. Byakugan has a more unique ability to predict as explained by saying its ability of insight surpassed that of Sharingan. For example, seeing where a punch will strike before it gets there, you clearly see Sasuke do this in his last fight with Naruto...infact it was the only way to counter Naruto's speed. Byakugan in this particular function has an advantage, it can see better, but it cannot copy, and it does not have hypnotic powers (How else would Neji womp all them fucking spiders?). In addition due to the ability to see in chakra only, byakugan users probably have a strong constitution to genjutsu...sense they can see outside normal perameters.

Which is stronger? Its all in the user really.

naruto-kira

Tue, 07-12-2005, 06:43 AM

nah byakugan is stronger overall than sharigan, its only mangou sharigan is stronger than byakugan.. considering only 2 users has it, but byakugan is the strongest family in konoha remember that....and byakugan has better technique than sharigan. Jyuken, kaiten(heavenly spin), and the radius senses( a 6th sense )to be able to feel opponent coming from behind.
sharigan can copy ninjutsu because it c stuff in slow motion and memory and he can only copy hand seals jutsu too.. remember that...Sasuke couldn't copy Rasengan.... and even tho he remembers the hand seals.. he needs chakara to perform it. Sasuke has genjutsu but nothing a byakugan user or any person cant defeat. there is a weakness for genjutsu, if anyone disrupt the flow of there own chakara, genjutsu is broken....

byakugan blood limit has alot more technique and less weaknesses, there are really really really freaking strong taijutsu user(dont get close to him or you will own you so bad)

byakugan>sharigan. overall.....

XanBcoo

Tue, 07-12-2005, 04:50 PM

umm, no...
I think it pretty much depends on the user.

Byakugan and Sharingan both have their strengths and shortcomings. It really depends on how they are used. I think Rhanfal summed it up pretty well.

"but nahhhhh, byakugan is better overall 'cause I only talk about how byakugan rulz"

Rhanfahl

Thu, 07-14-2005, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by: naruto-kira
nah byakugan is stronger overall than sharigan, its only mangou sharigan is stronger than byakugan.. considering only 2 users has it, but byakugan is the strongest family in konoha remember that....and byakugan has better technique than sharigan. Jyuken, kaiten(heavenly spin), and the radius senses( a 6th sense )to be able to feel opponent coming from behind.
sharigan can copy ninjutsu because it c stuff in slow motion and memory and he can only copy hand seals jutsu too.. remember that...Sasuke couldn't copy Rasengan.... and even tho he remembers the hand seals.. he needs chakara to perform it. Sasuke has genjutsu but nothing a byakugan user or any person cant defeat. there is a weakness for genjutsu, if anyone disrupt the flow of there own chakara, genjutsu is broken....

byakugan blood limit has alot more technique and less weaknesses, there are really really really freaking strong taijutsu user(dont get close to him or you will own you so bad)

byakugan>sharigan. overall.....

First off....WTF? Have you ever heard of Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu...Um...they qualify as totally kickin the shit out of Kaiten and rokuhyakyuuyon ken.

Second, Rasengan has no hand seals. Sasuke doesn't use it cause he's a prideful fucking asshole that can't admit Naruto has a better move...which it may or may not even be.

So, to sum up...
you're a narrowminded one-sided fool.

And in the end it doesn't matter cause you'll most likely never see a byakugan vs. sharingan match anyways. And even if there were one and Kishimoto made one side win or lose, half the fucking forum would be in an uproar over what they would have done differently.

naruto-kira

Thu, 07-14-2005, 06:56 PM

quote- Have you ever heard of Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu...Um...they qualify as totally kickin the shit out of Kaiten and rokuhyakyuuyon ken.

first..i like said...that type of lv jutsu is only activate by MS......a normal sharigan user wont be able to use Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu.......

second... that is your own opinoion for the pride....wouldn't anyone copy a jutsu if they can....not like sasuke invented chidori...., kakashi dont know rasengan too..., its ovious its not a jutsu that can be copied.....sharigan is jus a eye that can c at super high defenition.... sayingit can jus copy is overatted as hekk...

to sum is up...i think u need to do some thinking alone

The Heretic Azazel

Thu, 07-14-2005, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by: Rhanfahl

Originally posted by: naruto-kira
nah byakugan is stronger overall than sharigan, its only mangou sharigan is stronger than byakugan.. considering only 2 users has it, but byakugan is the strongest family in konoha remember that....and byakugan has better technique than sharigan. Jyuken, kaiten(heavenly spin), and the radius senses( a 6th sense )to be able to feel opponent coming from behind.
sharigan can copy ninjutsu because it c stuff in slow motion and memory and he can only copy hand seals jutsu too.. remember that...Sasuke couldn't copy Rasengan.... and even tho he remembers the hand seals.. he needs chakara to perform it. Sasuke has genjutsu but nothing a byakugan user or any person cant defeat. there is a weakness for genjutsu, if anyone disrupt the flow of there own chakara, genjutsu is broken....

byakugan blood limit has alot more technique and less weaknesses, there are really really really freaking strong taijutsu user(dont get close to him or you will own you so bad)

byakugan>sharigan. overall.....

First off....WTF? Have you ever heard of Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu...Um...they qualify as totally kickin the shit out of Kaiten and rokuhyakyuuyon ken.

Second, Rasengan has no hand seals. Sasuke doesn't use it cause he's a prideful fucking asshole that can't admit Naruto has a better move...which it may or may not even be.

So, to sum up...
you're a narrowminded one-sided fool.

And in the end it doesn't matter cause you'll most likely never see a byakugan vs. sharingan match anyways. And even if there were one and Kishimoto made one side win or lose, half the fucking forum would be in an uproar over what they would have done differently.

Wow, someone needs a nap.

You could point out your opinion without being rude, you know.. no one wants to read what you post anyway if you're just going to be a spiteful little bastard.

Rhanfahl

Thu, 07-14-2005, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel

Originally posted by: Rhanfahl

Originally posted by: naruto-kira
nah byakugan is stronger overall than sharigan, its only mangou sharigan is stronger than byakugan.. considering only 2 users has it, but byakugan is the strongest family in konoha remember that....and byakugan has better technique than sharigan. Jyuken, kaiten(heavenly spin), and the radius senses( a 6th sense )to be able to feel opponent coming from behind.
sharigan can copy ninjutsu because it c stuff in slow motion and memory and he can only copy hand seals jutsu too.. remember that...Sasuke couldn't copy Rasengan.... and even tho he remembers the hand seals.. he needs chakara to perform it. Sasuke has genjutsu but nothing a byakugan user or any person cant defeat. there is a weakness for genjutsu, if anyone disrupt the flow of there own chakara, genjutsu is broken....

byakugan blood limit has alot more technique and less weaknesses, there are really really really freaking strong taijutsu user(dont get close to him or you will own you so bad)

byakugan>sharigan. overall.....

First off....WTF? Have you ever heard of Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu...Um...they qualify as totally kickin the shit out of Kaiten and rokuhyakyuuyon ken.

Second, Rasengan has no hand seals. Sasuke doesn't use it cause he's a prideful fucking asshole that can't admit Naruto has a better move...which it may or may not even be.

So, to sum up...
you're a narrowminded one-sided fool.

And in the end it doesn't matter cause you'll most likely never see a byakugan vs. sharingan match anyways. And even if there were one and Kishimoto made one side win or lose, half the fucking forum would be in an uproar over what they would have done differently.

Wow, someone needs a nap.

You could point out your opinion without being rude, you know.. no one wants to read what you post anyway if you're just going to be a spiteful little bastard.

So, you're trying to tell me not to be rude while being rude yourself....fuck you hypocrite.

The Heretic Azazel

Thu, 07-14-2005, 11:34 PM

No, if you had any sense you would see I said you're acting like a spiteful little bastard.

But you don't, so either way.

Aaaanyway I like Kimimaro's bloodline.. I've said it before, I'd rather have had 15 main characters die in Kimi's place. His fight with Gaara was great, I'd like to see more stuff like that.

Mut

Thu, 07-14-2005, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by: naruto-kira
nah byakugan is stronger overall than sharigan, its only mangou sharigan is stronger than byakugan.. considering only 2 users has it, but byakugan is the strongest family in konoha remember that....and byakugan has better technique than sharigan. Jyuken, kaiten(heavenly spin), and the radius senses( a 6th sense )to be able to feel opponent coming from behind.
Jyuken and Kaiten are not part of Byakugan. They are just completely separate techniques that rely on Byakugan's ability.

sharigan can copy ninjutsu because it c stuff in slow motion and memory and he can only copy hand seals jutsu too.. remember that...Sasuke couldn't copy Rasengan.... and even tho he remembers the hand seals.. he needs chakara to perform it. Sasuke has genjutsu but nothing a byakugan user or any person cant defeat. there is a weakness for genjutsu, if anyone disrupt the flow of there own chakara, genjutsu is broken....
Actually Sasuke doesn't have any genjutsu. I don't ever remember him using any type of genjutsu (maybe bunshins but I highly doubt it). But if you're talking about tsukiyomi, then you're completely wrong. Tsukiyomi is on a whole different level compared to any other genjutsu as explained by Kakashi during the fight with the fake Itachi.

byakugan blood limit has alot more technique and less weaknesses, there are really really really freaking strong taijutsu user(dont get close to him or you will own you so bad)

byakugan>sharigan. overall.....
This is a really, really weak argument since it isn't backed. Please elaborate further on what you've said.

XanBcoo

Fri, 07-15-2005, 03:53 AM

elaboration: all the kekkei genkai's are badass but individual preference dictates that one will pwn the shit out of all the rest.

Again, I like the "Evil Eye" <--Viz's shit translation of the Byakugan.

Zinobi

Sat, 07-16-2005, 06:15 PM

i dont know if the Aburame clan's (Shino) kikai bugs is a bloodine limit but i think that would be the best

ChaosK

Sun, 07-17-2005, 08:31 PM

shino's doesnt count as a bloodline limit unless you consider kiba's to be a bloodline limit.

Enderz

Mon, 07-18-2005, 11:43 AM

i HOPE it will come more bloodlines to talk about that would be awsome and i wonder if it is a hokage with an bloodline? wonder how strong he would be

Death BOO Z

Mon, 07-18-2005, 01:42 PM

yeah, since having a magical ability is so much cooler than having someone with real skills fight...

screw bloodline abilities, it was perfected once the bayakougan was introduced, Kimi's ability was tolerateable becuase he died so fast, but having another magical man with the power to avoid making sense in his fighting by saying "bloodline"? why would anyone want that?

Naruto_RNG

Fri, 08-05-2005, 12:10 AM

Byakugan, is my choice. look's cool and have kick ass moves.

could be spoiler "WARNING"

i don't know if this is right or not but when kakashi was battling the fake Itachi, in manga after that three year trainning, he talked about how Itachi's eye condition was, after using Mang sharingan for so long like his sight is getting weak. or it could of been a miss interpet translation of the manga. don't remeber which chapter was it.

if that true, well all i'm saying is if there is a limit on use Mang sharingan wouldn't it make kind of a disadvantage. I mean after a while you'll lose your sight.

Icho

Fri, 08-05-2005, 04:37 PM

I like sharingan the most because it looks cool when u are angry

CapsuleCorpJX

Thu, 08-11-2005, 03:30 AM

Sharingan, so I can learn things really fast.
And freak people out.

Zinobi

Mon, 08-22-2005, 11:33 PM

CapsuleCorpJX

Sharingan, so I can learn things really fast. And freak people out.

well if ur eyes r like that i dont think learning stuff fast would freak some out i think it would be the eyes unless that is wht u r sayingi/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif

Enderz

Tue, 08-23-2005, 12:39 PM

We all can agree that Sharingan and Byakugan are and is the most popular in this question/thread but its still nice to hear about other bloodlines then them so keep the posts come

aznroyale

Thu, 08-25-2005, 12:46 AM

it should be Byankugans blood line limits is the best Kakashi said himself also...also Hyuga is the first noble clan

naruto-kira

Fri, 08-26-2005, 01:22 AM

No Kakashi said Uchiha is the most excellent clan and Hyuuga is the most noble clan...because it has Byakugan has finest blood...everyone in Hyuuga can activate Byakugan and whereas only a few Uchiha's can active Sharigan...

Even tho Kakashi said Sharigan is a better Bloodlimit...to me i think Byakugan is way stronger than Sharigan...I don't give a damn what Kakashi says sometimes.

Psyke

Fri, 08-26-2005, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by: naruto-kira
No Kakashi said Uchiha is the most excellent clan and Hyuuga is the most noble clan...because it has Byakugan has finest blood...everyone in Hyuuga can activate Byakugan and whereas only a few Uchiha's can active Sharigan...

How do you know all in the Hyuuga clan can use Byakugan?

Even tho Kakashi said Sharigan is a better Bloodlimit...to me i think Byakugan is way stronger than Sharigan...I don't give a damn what Kakashi says sometimes.

I believe Kakashi said the Sharingan evolved from the Byakugan, not that the Sharingan was better than Byakugan.

Necromas

Mon, 09-12-2005, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo
lol i forget where but we mentioned how hinata and sasuke get "do it" and wat kind of insane bloodline might come out but, that kinda went a bit..of the deep end.

i'd say mangekyou sharingan(even though i'm not sure i can spell it) is best because it can practically keep you in.. umm i'll call it "dream world" and your totally helpless, and byankugan wouldnt even be able to survive mangekyou because, remember when kakashi fought itachi first time he said to asuma and... (i forgot her name) "dont look into his eyes! only a sharingan user can look into them" so byankugan would be completely helpless....

Um hello? Kakashi's sharingan was helpless in the fight, because the mangekyou is more powerful then a normal one.

AND a byakugan user could easily fight a sharingan user using the byakugans 360 view to easily see the enemy without having to actually look into their eyes. (IE if they're looking at the sharingan users feet, like Gai did, they would easily be able to see the opponents entire body using the byakugans abilities) and thus the eye contact benefits of the sharingan and mangekyou sharingan are useless vs a byakugan user, while the byakugan user sufers no loss to his/her ability.

And as long as we're quoting Kakshi, he also said the byakugan was the stronger one i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Necromas

Mon, 09-12-2005, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo

Originally posted by: greateachermin
just to be sure, i'd like to see sasuke pitted against neji some day.... that would be a cool fight

on another note, orochimaru ability to use his tounge and disappearing into trees or grounds, its seems to me like a bloodline... he didnt perform any seals when he did these things... these abilities are pretty cool, it makes him such a delicious villian to figth

its a bloodline as in it follows your blood, oro switches his soul to a different container. He would only be able to use sasuke (if sasuke beats naruto) till sasuke's body aged to around 40 because that would become too old for a ninja and oro would leave sasuke's body which means he would not carry the ability of sharingan with him. Sharingan is to sasuke's BODY not to his soul.

If Kakashi can remove a sharingan from a recently deceased guy and pop it in his eye socket and it works perfect, surely orochimaru with all his jutsus involving things like death and crap, can do it.

XanBcoo

Mon, 09-12-2005, 04:32 PM

Kishimoto told me the Byakugan is better.

The End.

mr3vi1m0nk3y

Mon, 09-12-2005, 05:11 PM

haku's bloodline looks like it would be the most powerful if it was trained to the maximun. he has, well had, complete control over water. seeing as most of the human body is made up of water he could freeze that turning you into an instant popsicle. just my opinion.

Necromas

Mon, 09-12-2005, 05:22 PM

mr3vi1m0nk3y

Mon, 09-12-2005, 05:40 PM

garra's moves require the sand to be around you so it would be slower not to mention the naruto and kimimaro both were able shrug of those attacks.

Jadugar

Mon, 09-12-2005, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by: mr3vi1m0nk3y
garra's moves require the sand to be around you

Gara can produce sand from his surroundings. Remember Gara vs Kimimaru.

mr3vi1m0nk3y

Mon, 09-12-2005, 07:38 PM

yeah when i said that i ment the sand has to move into position before he can crush you while haku would just freeze you instantaniously.

ChaosK

Mon, 09-12-2005, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by: mr3vi1m0nk3y
haku's bloodline looks like it would be the most powerful if it was trained to the maximun. he has, well had, complete control over water. seeing as most of the human body is made up of water he could freeze that turning you into an instant popsicle. just my opinion.

yet SOMEHOW sasuke with a 1 pupil sharingan could see through it?

sharingan is definetly the best, becuase it gives you space to improve dramatically, first 1 pupil, then 2, then 3, then mangekyou.

hell before a byakudon could even pull off one of those fancy 128 hit moves, mangekyou sharingan would have you crippled on the floor (the way itachi uses it)

Jadugar

Mon, 09-12-2005, 07:47 PM

I fancy Kakashi's new sharingam.

Necromas

Mon, 09-12-2005, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo

Originally posted by: mr3vi1m0nk3y
haku's bloodline looks like it would be the most powerful if it was trained to the maximun. he has, well had, complete control over water. seeing as most of the human body is made up of water he could freeze that turning you into an instant popsicle. just my opinion.

yet SOMEHOW sasuke with a 1 pupil sharingan could see through it?

sharingan is definetly the best, becuase it gives you space to improve dramatically, first 1 pupil, then 2, then 3, then mangekyou.

hell before a byakudon could even pull off one of those fancy 128 hit moves, mangekyou sharingan would have you crippled on the floor (the way itachi uses it)

FYI When Sasuke first gets his Sharingan, one of the eyes is 1 dotted, and the other is 2 dotted (the dots revolve around the pupil, which stays there).

mr3vi1m0nk3y

Mon, 09-12-2005, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by: Chaoskiddo

Originally posted by: mr3vi1m0nk3y
haku's bloodline looks like it would be the most powerful if it was trained to the maximun. he has, well had, complete control over water. seeing as most of the human body is made up of water he could freeze that turning you into an instant popsicle. just my opinion.

yet SOMEHOW sasuke with a 1 pupil sharingan could see through it?

sharingan is definetly the best, becuase it gives you space to improve dramatically, first 1 pupil, then 2, then 3, then mangekyou.

hell before a byakudon could even pull off one of those fancy 128 hit moves, mangekyou sharingan would have you crippled on the floor (the way itachi uses it)

this is why i said "trained to the maximum" also haku didnt have any teachers with the same bloodline as him to learn from. he had some help from zabuza and that was it. i wonder if there are any more of haku's family left and if they'll show up in the series.

thoregundi

Wed, 09-14-2005, 01:10 AM

i dont think we know everything about the byakudon. I'm sure they have forbidden techniques, i mean sharigan came from hyuuga so what could be the hyuugas secret they are hiding , im sure its better than uchihas, uchiha can copy and see the future but byakudon and see threw anything up to a mile and with it you can cut someones use of chakra off ?? im sure theres more we dont know about it, being they are the oldest clan , im sure theres a reason for it, uchiha is almost dead, only 2 left, lol

Strider

Wed, 09-14-2005, 02:10 AM

Byakugan's secret techniques stem from Fist of the North Star. Advanced users can make chakra points explode.

And, I was with XanBcoo that day. Kishimoto told me Byakugan was better, too. I heard him.

Fin.

coud656

Sat, 09-17-2005, 09:17 AM

For me its sharingan since you would be able to predict where which tenketsu point that any Hyuuga will try to hit......and i think tht Kimimaro's kekkei genkai is good as well but there are alot more we haven't seen in Naruto so far we only know 2 from Konoha,1 from mist,1 from Kimimaro's family....thats about it =/

Jadugar

Sat, 09-17-2005, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by: Strider
Byakugan's secret techniques stem from Fist of the North Star. Advanced users can make chakra points explode.

And, I was with XanBcoo that day. Kishimoto told me Byakugan was better, too. I heard him.

Fin.

Hahaha.That was me in makeup. I fooled you too.

Sharingam is way better. There is a reason Sharingam evolved from Byakugan.

Jaredster

Sat, 09-17-2005, 02:46 PM

Of all the things in the series. The Mangekyo Sharingan is the best. Hands down.

Strider

Sun, 09-18-2005, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Strider
Byakugan's secret techniques stem from Fist of the North Star. Advanced users can make chakra points explode.

And, I was with XanBcoo that day. Kishimoto told me Byakugan was better, too. I heard him.

Fin.

Hahaha.That was me in makeup. I fooled you too.

Sharingam is way better. There is a reason Sharingam evolved from Byakugan.

Argh, I was so easily deceived ..

I'd still prefer Byakugan. And, while Sharingan evolved from it, that does not necessarily make it better.

You think Velociraptors are better off as birds? I've seen Jurassic Park, man. Those things were above all. No way [given a choice] they would pass up six inch talons for feathers.

And, that's what these bloodlines are like, people. Sharingan is like feathers, compared to the talons of Byakugan. I rest my case.

Jadugar

Sun, 09-18-2005, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by: Strider
You think Velociraptors are better off as birds? I've seen Jurassic Park, man. Those things were above all. No way [given a choice] they would pass up six inch talons for feathers.

And, that's what these bloodlines are like, people. Sharingan is like feathers, compared to the talons of Byakugan. I rest my case.

Where are dinosaurs now?

Only the fittest survive. Evolution favors the strongest.

Sharingan is on its way up.

Case re-opens.

Strider

Mon, 09-19-2005, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Where are dinosaurs now?

Only the fittest survive. Evolution favors the strongest.

Sharingan is on its way up.

Case re-opens.

Dinosaurs are still around ..

There's a dinosaur within each and every one of our hearts.

Evolution is circumstantial, and is based off of anamolous events, pending surroundings. Obviously some modification through certain generations. Or just a simple matter of adapting; an instance of growth.

So, some idiots from the noblest of noble clans inbred, and their cousins carried the tradition and we get the freaks of nature that are the progenitors of Sharingan. Still not agreeing where it's better because it stems from.

Sharingan is like the branch family. They infringed on the Hyuuga's copyrighted eyes, and should have been tagged on their foreheads in the same manner or thrown in jail. Byakugan's Interscope and Arista, and Sharingan is Limewire. Respect trademark rights, don't download illegally.

/end unnecessary & pointless analogy i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Seriously though, there is more to Byakugan as there is with Sharingan. In a battle, I'd also put my money on an advanced Byakugan user. Neji would ruin Sasuke.

And, we cannot say a Byakugan user is all about close range, as Neji showed Kisame how strong his pimp hand was from quite a distance, after Lee saved Gai with his "Rising Gust," or something.

Sharingan user's employing the use of Mangekyou Sharingan's special techniques [Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, etc.]? Okay. Don't look in his eyes. Look through them. Find the points in his skull and stab them with your pinky finger. The Byakugan would see any accumulation of chakra used for a jutsu with or without the usage of a hand seal. Its insight is pure insanity.

Your serve.

EDIT: My comment for avoiding eye contact was in regards to Tsukiyomi or Itachi's special one finger flea-flicker Genjutsu. That can be avoided by Byakugan. With Amaterasu, obviously a ninjutsu technique, some other means of swift escape would need to occur. Wonder if there is a more potent Heavenly Spin (Kaiten) to combat the intense power of Amaterasu. Hmm ..

Jadugar

Mon, 09-19-2005, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by: Strider
Dinosaurs are still around ..

Only the ones that have changed and adopted according to their surroundings. I would like to think that Sharingan has done the same thing, copying for a start.

Originally posted by: Strider
Evolution is circumstantial

Maybe so but if you dont change with time, time will not stop for you. Itachi did the same thing. He wanted to reach his full potential.

Originally posted by: Strider
Still not agreeing where it's better because it stems from.

If you keep on marring within the same clan/family your genes gets weaker every generation.

Originally posted by: Strider
Sharingan is like the branch family.

Meaning it has the original qualities as well as to reach new potential.

Originally posted by: Strider
/end unnecessary & pointless analogy .

I dont give up easily. Not since I have been watching Naruto.i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Originally posted by: Strider
In a battle, I'd also put my money on an advanced Byakugan user. Neji would ruin Sasuke.

If Byakugan was so powerful then Kishimoto probably picked Neji to be Naruto's rival in the end.

Necromas

Mon, 09-19-2005, 09:33 PM

I say we change the topic to your favorite bloodline, not just which everyone says could kick the most ass.

XanBcoo

Tue, 09-20-2005, 12:17 AM

I'd like to know just how the sharingan came into existance. We know it "evolved" from the Byakugan, but that doesn't mean it's some mutation of it b/c of genetic abnormalities. 0.o or does it?

Jadugar

Tue, 09-20-2005, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by: Necromas
I say we change the topic to your favorite bloodline, not just which everyone says could kick the most ass.

Then go to a different thread or make one.

Necromas

Tue, 09-20-2005, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
I'd like to know just how the sharingan came into existance. We know it "evolved" from the Byakugan, but that doesn't mean it's some mutation of it b/c of genetic abnormalities. 0.o or does it?

Maybe long ago the Byakugan clan was split into 2 clans because of some dispute or whatever, and each clan had their own ways, the Hyuuga clan we know today decided to improve their existing byakugan into the powerful bloodline we know of today, and they also made sure to keep it from getting out of the clan with the head and branch families. While the Uchiha clan was less focused on training the dojutsu, but while they were training so hard in other skills, like taijutsu, their eyes became trained to reading movements and eventually became able to read enemy techniques.

XanBcoo

Tue, 09-20-2005, 01:53 PM

Or not.

Necromas

Tue, 09-20-2005, 02:55 PM

Touche

Jadugar

Wed, 09-21-2005, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by: Necromas
Maybe long ago the Byakugan clan was split into 2 clans because of some dispute or whatever, and each clan had their own ways, the Hyuuga clan we know today decided to improve their existing byakugan into the powerful bloodline we know of today, and they also made sure to keep it from getting out of the clan with the head and branch families. While the Uchiha clan was less focused on training the dojutsu, but while they were training so hard in other skills, like taijutsu, their eyes became trained to reading movements and eventually became able to read enemy techniques.

Seems possible.

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Or not.

Lets hear your version.

XanBcoo

Wed, 09-21-2005, 09:33 AM

It's not as long winded or as complicated as all that. I doubt we'll ever get an explanation behind the origin of Sharingan. Kishimoto probably just threw that quote in there because they are both dojutsu bloodline limits. You can speculate all you want, but that theory is just random.

The byakugan and sharingan do completely different things, so they aren't tied very closely.

Jadugar

Wed, 09-21-2005, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

The byakugan and sharingan do completely different things, so they aren't tied very closely.

I disagree. Both users use their eyes. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Jaredster

Wed, 09-21-2005, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

The byakugan and sharingan do completely different things, so they aren't tied very closely.

I disagree. Both users use their eyes.

well arn't you clever...

Jadugar

Wed, 09-21-2005, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by: Jaredster

well arn't you clever...

Thats a bloodline limit as well.i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

isso

Wed, 09-21-2005, 11:09 AM

is leukemia an bloodline??

Assertn

Wed, 09-21-2005, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Jaredster

well arn't you clever...

Thats a bloodline limit as well.

i disagree.

cleverness is more likely a developed "nurture" trait, rather than genetic

Jadugar

Wed, 09-21-2005, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure

i disagree.

cleverness is more likely a developed "nurture" trait, rather than genetic

That was a joke.

Having a sense of humour is a bloodline limit as well. Do you agree.i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Jaredster

Wed, 09-21-2005, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure

i disagree.

cleverness is more likely a developed "nurture" trait, rather than genetic

That was a joke.

Having a sense of humour is a bloodline limit as well. Do you agree.

assertn doesn't understand i]teh funnah.[/i]

XanBcoo

Wed, 09-21-2005, 02:33 PM

Strider

Sat, 09-24-2005, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Strider
Dinosaurs are still around ..

Only the ones that have changed and adopted according to their surroundings. I would like to think that Sharingan has done the same thing, copying for a start.

Crocodiles have not changed much since their Cretaceous Era counterparts, save decreasing in size. With the majority of the world convered in water, I fail to see this "shrinking" as a necessary adaptation where it favors their continuing existence. Had such never occurred, they may have been the top predators of today, and I would not have a pair of shoes made of their hide.

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Strider
Evolution is circumstantial

Maybe so but if you dont change with time, time will not stop for you. Itachi did the same thing. He wanted to reach his full potential.

You lost me with this one. How can Itachi be viable support for this? Itachi did not evolve. He wanted to reach his full potential, yes. And, if anything, the shinobi ascended, reaching a new level of understanding and power. However, Itachi did not evolve. Take a glass, and then fill it to the top with water. The glass has remained a glass, however it's changed states from being empty to full. It's reached it's capacity. It's still the same glass, though. Just heavier, and filled with delicious water. I'm thirsty ..

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Strider
Still not agreeing where it's better because it stems from.

If you keep on marring within the same clan/family your genes gets weaker every generation.

Score one Jadugar. Nothing to say here. That's absolutely true.

.. Still don't like Sharingan over Byakugan. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Although, there is always the possibility of the limit being lost within the later generations. At that point, then what?

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Strider
Sharingan is like the branch family.

Meaning it has the original qualities as well as to reach new potential.

Not going with this one.

Sharingan is like a branch. Byakugan is the tree. The trunk. The foundation. It holds the strength, while the branch is merely an extension flailing in the gusts of wind, hoping to not break from its weaknesses. Weaknesses that the Sharingan tries to compensate for by copying ..

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Strider
/end unnecessary & pointless analogy .

I dont give up easily. Not since I have been watching Naruto.

Apologies. We weren't on the same page with this one. I meant my comment towards myself, for the whimsical comparison of these Bloodline Limits to Music Industries and Limewire. Then, to toss in "Don't download illegally!" Yeah right, bump that!

Originally posted by: Jadugar

Originally posted by: Strider
In a battle, I'd also put my money on an advanced Byakugan user. Neji would ruin Sasuke.

If Byakugan was so powerful then Kishimoto probably picked Neji to be Naruto's rival in the end.

Make a thread if you really believe Sasuke would beat Neji. And, I mean Sasuke. Not Sasuke on drugs. Not Sasuke with Orochimaru's hickeys. We can go at it there for that, too. No more on them two.

We don't know what's to come in the end, either. But, unless Sasuke acquires a Bijyuu, you really think he's Naruto's final rival or opponent? Insanity.

C'mon, Jad'. I like ya'. You're entertaining me with this, really. But, say it with me ..

Byakugan is better than Sharingan. And, Gai would beat Kakashi. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Strider

Sat, 09-24-2005, 04:17 PM

Once again, I could not Edit my above message. Here is what it is saying. Any help with this would be appreciated.

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.. And, the reason I wanted to Edit the message to begin with was simply to add this, to poke fun.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: Jadugar
I dont give up easily.

You can now. I won't think any less of you. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Jadugar

Sun, 09-25-2005, 04:16 PM

Take a deep breath Strider beacuse its a long descend.

Originally posted by: Strider
Crocodiles have not changed much since their Cretaceous Era counterparts, save decreasing in size.

The key point is that they have changed. Maybe you were expecting them to have only one eye or two tails.

Originally posted by: Strider
Itachi did not evolve. He wanted to reach his full potential, yes. And, if anything, the shinobi ascended, reaching a new level of understanding and power. However, Itachi did not evolve.

He achieved the MS. Only he has it. How is that not an improvement from the normal sharingan.

Originally posted by: Strider
Take a glass, and then fill it to the top with water. The glass has remained a glass, however it's changed states from being empty to full. It's reached it's capacity. It's still the same glass, though. Just heavier, and filled with delicious water. I'm thirsty ..

Its still the same glass? What?

The filled glass has reached its potential. Its not the same glass.

If you are having difficulty understanding this example. Seek medical help.

Originally posted by: Strider
Still don't like Sharingan over Byakugan

Your likes and dislikes do not change the facts. Sharingan is superior.

Originally posted by: Strider
Weaknesses that the Sharingan tries to compensate for by copying ..

Copying is not a weakness. You cant use the same attack against the sharingan user.

Originally posted by: Strider
Byakugan is the tree. The trunk. The foundation. It holds the strength, while the branch is merely an extension flailing in the gusts of wind

A strong wind will certainly rip out that truck from the ground but not the branch which bends.

Originally posted by: Strider
Make a thread if you really believe Sasuke would beat Neji.

Here is the thread. Sasuke VS Neji (http://forums.gotwoot.net/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=16315&enterthrea d=y)

Originally posted by: Strider
Not Sasuke on drugs. Not Sasuke with Orochimaru's hickeys

All is fair in love and war.

Originally posted by: Strider
say it with me ..

Sorry to disappoint you, I am a leader not a follower. Offer rejected.i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Originally posted by: Strider
Byakugan is better than Sharingan. And, Gai would beat Kakashi.

Gai can only dream of beating Kakashi and he will take this dream to his grave. R.I.P.

All this editing and double posting makes me thinks that you are nervous and doubtful and not sure but one thing is certain, sharingan is better.

NOTE : I like you too.

SFreedomZGMFx20a

Wed, 09-28-2005, 06:14 PM

Uchiha without a doubt.

coud656

Thu, 09-29-2005, 08:44 AM

Sharingan since the Mangekyou's Amaterasu would burn anything it touches and Tsukuyomi would send anyone they see directly in the eye go completely cuckoo

Strider

Fri, 09-30-2005, 11:06 AM

Almost forgot about this one.

People probably thought we agreed to disagree.

In-depth reply coming soon .. !!

Jadugar

Fri, 09-30-2005, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by: Strider
People probably thought we agreed to disagree.

We have agreed to disagree.i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif Do I need to remind you. Sasuke VS Neji (http://forums.gotwoot.net/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=16315&enterthrea d=y)

Originally posted by: Strider
In-depth reply coming soon .. !!

Someone is losing his sleep.

Strider

Sun, 10-02-2005, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Take a deep breath Strider beacuse its a long descend.

From the pedastal I'm on? You're absolutely right. A shame you'll have no part in my downfall. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Originally posted by: Jadugar
The key point is that they have changed. Maybe you were expecting them to have only one eye or two tails.

Actually, the key point was that not all outcomes of evolution result in positives.

[i]Originally posted by: Jadugar
He achieved the MS. Only he has it. How is that not an improvement from the normal sharingan.

I missed where I stated it wasn't an improvement? Itachi has acquired Mangekyou. This isn't evolution.

And, actually according to him, a second person has it, as well. Sasuke would be the third, remember?

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Its still the same glass? What?

The filled glass has reached its potential. Its not the same glass.

If you are having difficulty understanding this example. Seek medical help.

Seek medical help? For you, I shall.

How are you not comprehending this, really? You cannot be stuck on stupid, you simply must be visiting.

You are telling me that a glass you pull from your cupboard, the dishwasher or cup rack, and having filled it with whatever beverage of your choosing, that the glass is no longer a glass? After filling it to the brim is it magically transformed into another object?

No.

The container is still a container. It's state has changed -- empty to full. The container is forever the same container.

In grade school you progressed through each year of school, acquiring more knowledge and information. You're also calling that evolution, then?

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Copying is not a weakness. You cant use the same attack against the sharingan user.

Never said it was. I stated it compensated for the weaknesses. Where the weaknesses are .. there's always copying.

And, you can always use the same attack when utilizing Bloodline Limits.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Here is the thread. Sasuke VS Neji (http://forums.gotwoot.net/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=16315&enterthrea d=y)

I am heading there next.

Looks like you were having fun without me. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

Originally posted by: Jadugar
All is fair in love and war.

True enough.

Originally posted by: Jadugar
NOTE : I like you too.

Likewise, so do not take the bitter tone behind my above comments seriously.

All in argumentative fun. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Someone is losing his sleep.

Tell me about it ..

Moonfire

Sun, 10-02-2005, 01:26 AM

All i gots to say is that Itachi's Sharingan is damn powerful...

Strider

Sun, 10-02-2005, 02:02 AM

We're talking about the Bloodline abilities in general.

But, you're right. It is.

Think Byakugan has any hidden "evolutions" like Sharingan has Mangekyou?

Originally posted by: Jadugar
Someone is losing his sleep.

And, still awake. About to pass out now, though.

Wake up and reply, damnit.

The Heretic Azazel

Sun, 10-02-2005, 09:50 AM

I'm sure Byakugan has unrevealed or unlearned abilities.. I bet it has some sort of genjutsu where Neji ties you up and just pricks your tenketsu for all eternity, like when Itachi hypnotized Kakashi and controlled time and stabbed him with swords..

Strider

Sun, 10-02-2005, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
I'm sure Byakugan has unrevealed or unlearned abilities.. I bet it has some sort of genjutsu where Neji ties you up and just pricks your tenketsu for all eternity, like when Itachi hypnotized Kakashi and controlled time and stabbed him with swords..

Byakugan Accupuncture of DOoOOOooOOOooM!

Damn straight.

heero

Sun, 10-02-2005, 01:50 PM

thats too evil for neji i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif but its quite creative lol

Jaredster

Sun, 10-02-2005, 02:27 PM

Maybe Hinata, but not Neji

Jadugar

Sun, 10-02-2005, 06:21 PM

RETURN OF THE JEDIgar

Originally posted by: Strider
From the pedastal I'm on? You're absolutely right. A shame you'll have no part in my downfall.

I shall wait for my opportunity.

Originally posted by: Strider
Actually, the key point was that not all outcomes of evolution result in positives

The positive result being that they changed and continued to live on rather not change at all and disapperar.

Originally posted by: Strider
Glass Example

Oh my god. Of all the people I thought you would understand the example.

Glass was a metaphore for potential.

Half full or half empty?

Glass example (http://www.quick.org.uk/ch7.htm)

Originally posted by: Strider
Likewise, so do not take the bitter tone behind my above comments seriously.

I actually prefer to have a clever rival than a stupid friend but you are both clever and my friend/sort of rival.i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Originally posted by: Strider
All in argumentative fun

Agree.

Strider

Mon, 10-03-2005, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by: heero
thats too evil for neji but its quite creative lol

Originally posted by: Jaredster
Maybe Hinata, but not Neji

Seriously. Nothing is too evil for Neji.

This kid tried to kill Hinata. And, moments directly following, stared down a Jounin and without an ounce of fear told her, "If you have time to glare at me, you have time to fix her."

STONE COLD!!

In addition, Byakugan's eerie appearance already looks as if it should be Genjutsu based. Some nice hallucinogenic techniques or something of the sorts to induce fear or panic.

There are a lot of old people in the Hyuuga Clan, too. I wonder if they all collectively know like the "Ancient Arts."

Originally posted by: Jadugar
I shall wait for my opportunity.

Don't hold your breath. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif